OK So Spike or Angel?

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SHINYTALENT

Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:45 AM

I love Angel as much as the next person, I mean it was a great show BUT I think (personally) that the last season rocked due to the introduction of Spike.

I am even starting to think that Spike is actually a better character and not just that but better looking

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MILT

Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:32 AM

I too think that Spike is an excelent character but the reason that season 5 was so great was because Spike and Angel played so well off of eachother.

ZOOT

Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:19 AM

OK, so I've never even seen season 5 of Angel - due to livign in the UK and not having the cash to purchase the DVD but I'd still say Spike over Angel any day ... Granted they both get given fairly witty lines but Angel is just too damn darka dn broody for me!!

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:19 PM

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Originally posted by Zoot:
OK, so I've never even seen season 5 of Angel - due to livign in the UK and not having the cash to purchase the DVD but I'd still say Spike over Angel any day ... Granted they both get given fairly witty lines but Angel is just too damn darka dn broody for me!!

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Spike, definatly. And you MUST see Season 5 and enough w/ the excuses. It's some of Joss's best stuff ever.

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KWICKO

Monday, November 21, 2005 3:26 AM

Spike, absolutely. Who else could get away with calling Angel "Captain Forehead", or remarking that Angel had to get "some more of that nancy hair-gel"? :)

I didn't really care for Angel as a character at all, UNTIL I started watching Angel (the show). Then I started to appreciate him, but Spike still got much better, much funnier lines 9 times out of 10. Sure, if you were in a dark alley cornered by big-bads you'd want Angel to have your back, but at least with Spike at your side you'd have a chance to die laughing...

Mike

Grrrrr. Arrrgghh.

MER

Monday, November 21, 2005 7:41 PM

Spike...and always will be Spike. I never was much of an Angel fan. I like him, but I find him whissy washy...which can be great at times if someone makes fun of him like Spike for example.

AURAPTOR

Monday, November 21, 2005 9:11 PM

Oh, one of the funnier moments (from Season 5)....

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where Angel tells the group that one of them will betray him, and in a nano second, Spike raises his hand, as if to volunteer. Hi-larious!

For those who've not seen S5, chop chop! Get to it!

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QUEENOFTHENORTH

Monday, November 21, 2005 10:21 PM

Hands down, Spike. While Angel has some amusing moments (imagining himself dancing, for example), Spike is just waaaayyy funnier. Not to mention hot.

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HYDRAGON

Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:08 AM

Angel and Spike are both extra-awesome, and Angel is great with the deadpan humour. However, I think Spike was awesomest without the soul. Angel is awesome either way, though.

GYPSYLIFE

Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:35 AM

OK I have to go against what seems to be the grain here. I'm always gonna vote for angel. Not to say that Spike isn't a great character, deep and hi-larious. "...and now I'm just a bigfluffy puppy." Spike makes me laugh hi=-sterically, However, I'm a sucker for the tortured soul thing. That inward turmoil and self doubt always drew me to Angel's character. Joss himself said that we identify with all the characters pain and that's why Buffy was always in pain. So I'll give Spike his due, but when it comes down to the two, I'm gonna cast my vote for Angel.

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LIMINALOSITY

Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:11 PM

As much as I love Angel,

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I cheered when Spike swirled up out of the amulet at the beginning of season 5.

Angel angst is so well written and acted, "If nothing we do matters..." and the imaginary dancing (!)

But Spike stole my heart forever when he fell out the the car drunk in "Lover's Walk".

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CAT1620RD

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:28 PM

Is this seriously a legitimate question, Spike hands down, (though I do think Angel is cuter) Spike is just so Sarcastic and hi-larious and just so Spike! He is everyones favorite.

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I totally cried when he died in buffy I was ready to kill Joss Whedon...even more then I am now because of Wash, and I had never watched Angel before I only turned to it cause buffy was over so I figured I would watch one episode, then Spike came out of the amulat and I watched teh rest of the season and went back to watch the others.

Spike WINS!!!!!

So now Astrounauts VS Cavemen!!!

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XLOGIC

Monday, January 2, 2006 8:59 AM

Whilst I enjoyed Spike on ‘Buffy’ (par the final season when I think that he was just too prominent and the writing of the character seemed, at times to be all over the place), I was pretty pissed about him transferring over the ‘Angel’ at the beginning of Season 5.

Putting it simply, it was because of the character’s popularity – which, I don’t think, it necessarily right. As an ‘Angel’ fan primarily (a ‘Buffy’ fan secondarily) I felt that the WB (who demanded that Spike come over – as well as slashing the show’s budget) were tainting my show. Furthermore, I worried greatly about the effect this would have on the screentime of the other characters on the show. As I comment before, the seventh season of ‘Buffy’ could have been renamed ‘The Buffy and Spike show’; and I didn’t want that to happen to ‘Angel’. I particularly feared for the screentime of Alexis.

Having said that, whilst it may not have been for the right reasons, it worked. Joss and co made it work. Spike came in he brought something new to the show. James had a great chemistry with David and his presence brought this new dynamic to the show. Also it created one of the best character arcs of the show’s history – Angel’s lose of faith in the Shanshu Prophecy and himself.

I do, however, feel that the sheer quality of Season Five (also my favourite of the series’ run) cannot simply be laid at James’ feet, though it was certainly a factor. The writing that season was just tighter, Alexis and Amy were phenomenal and I think the show benefited from the more attention that Joss was able to provide. And the finale was just…. Amazing is not the word.

I seen so much death... I been on fields carpeted with bodies, friends and enemies - i seen men and women blown apart to messes no further from me to you. But every single ones of those people died on their feet. Fighting. Or, hell, running away - doing summat to get through...

EMBERS

Monday, January 2, 2006 12:57 PM

Spike, definitely Spike

but I did like Angel more when he was with Spike
they were definitely a good duo (or rivalry)

Joss said that he was always pairing Angel off with little blondes
and in Spike he had finally found the perfect ingenue for Angel

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 1:18 PM

Is everyone forgetting that William the Bloody was a poet. What was Liam? A drunken bar room brawler.This is before he was evil. Spike was funny, but Angel had 10xs the depth. But like what alot of you are saying they play off of eachother so well that you cant really say whos better. Im going to though, Angel all the way!

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS

Monday, January 23, 2006 4:06 AM

Angel was...boring. Just plain boring. Get over the whole "tortured" thing already! Spike was interesting from the moment he walked on screen in School Hard, and Angel boring from WttHM on. Angelus was a great character. The quote that always springs to mind is, "It seems that in losing his soul, Angel has regained his sense of whimsy." We sometime get Angelus-like moments from Angel, and that, to me, is one of the few redeeming features of the character. That and the amusing Spike-Angel interactions. Spike was the sort of person who spreads enthusiasm, much as Willow or Fred did. This to me is the ultimate measure by which a person is determined likeable. There is almost nothing Spike takes too seriously, which I consider to be a virtue.

And I would say Spike had more "depth" to him than Angel. Spike could be both pathetic and heroic, scary and comforting, bad and good. His character actually evolved. Was the Angel of AtS season 5 really different than the Angel of BtVS season 2? If the differences are there, they are quite subtle, compared to how much every other character on both shows changed.

Also? Spike is just that much hotter, with that tasty faux-british accent. I can't deny that that influences me in my choice.

As a side note- I'm watching Season 5 (having never seen 2-4) and I don't understand exactly what Angel does at W&H. In Angel Investigations, he clearly had the central role as tracker and fighter, but at W&H? Gunn does all the managerial stuff. Does Angel do anything but sign papers and occasionally dismember clients? The question's been eating at me all day.

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STAKETHELURK

Monday, January 23, 2006 4:22 AM

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Originially posted by VisitingMyIntentions:
As a side note- I'm watching Season 5 (having never seen 2-4) and I don't understand exactly what Angel does at W&H. In Angel Investigations, he clearly had the central role as tracker and fighter, but at W&H? Gunn does all the managerial stuff. Does Angel do anything but sign papers and occasionally dismember clients?

Angel is CEO and President of Wolfram & Hart, Los Angeles. This means that he is ultimately in charge, the final arbiter of anything Gunn or Wes or whomever comes up with. Gunn is their legal expert, so he’s the one who deals with most of the technical issues and the speaking of the legalese. But Angel is the overall manager of things.

Which is not to say that he’s necessarily a good one. He’s not fond of just sitting behind a desk while everyone else does fieldwork. And because a large institution like Wolfram & Hart largely runs itself, he doesn’t necessarily have much of import to do even at his desk. I guess his most important role as far as the W&H system goes is simply to be there. Don’t know how far into Season 5 you’ve gotten, so I can’t really expand much on what else Angel gets up to while he’s there. But essentially, he has a vast amount of power at his disposal but is immensely frustrated by it because he can’t exercise that power except by proxy. That is, he’d rather go out and do things rather than tell people to do them.

So I guess, in the end, your question is the same one Angel is asking himself. Anyway, keep watching and hopefully all will become clear.

I hope you enjoy the rest of the season, it’s my personal favorite.

LAMIASONG

Monday, January 30, 2006 3:21 AM

A little trivia:

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Originally posted by VisitingMyIntentions:

As a side note- I'm watching Season 5 (having never seen 2-4) and I don't understand exactly what Angel does at W&H. Does Angel do anything but sign papers and occasionally dismember clients? The question's been eating at me all day.
"it has some sweet character deaths -- I mean moments!" - Joss Whedon

During the filming of this "Oh My GODDESS!" s5, DB had to go through some rough knee surgery... it must of been fun for them -working that in before realising that as CEO, Angel could just sit around quite a lot and do that ever boring brooding

... Which as it happens without giving the story away- (have you finished watching it yet?) He didn't have that much time to brood because of Blondie Bear. Yey!

I love Blondie Bear, he fought so hard to get that soul... well a few days in desert with a couple of demons...

Also- watch season 3-AtS a favourite with some very good eps for all characters. Waiting In The Wings. 'Nuff said.

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WTE

Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:12 AM

Angel. I hope I don't get killed for this, but I thought season 5 was the weakest season of Angel. Not to say it was bad, by any means, I just enjoyed the first four much more for some reason.

Still, the finale was pretty awesome.

HONKS

MALSGIRL

Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:18 AM

Spike no contest! I have to say I was never a big fan of Angel until I...cough...started to read Buffy books, then I got it. But Spike is no contest better, as far as I'm concerned.

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GYPSYLIFE

Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:21 AM

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Originally posted by VisitingMyIntentions:
Angel was...boring. Just plain boring. Get over the whole "tortured" thing already!

Now, now, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I personally have no control over my complusion for the tortured thing, no need to get tetchy. I am overwhelmed by Spike lover's here, but I don't dis on him, I give him his props as he thusly deserves. I think Angel's a lot deeper character than you're giving him credit for. I definately reccomend watching all the seasons of Angel before you make a final choice.

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PHI

Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by gypsylife:
I am overwhelmed by Spike lover's here

You aren't totally alone Gypsy, I will add my voice to our small but happy crowd.

Don't get me wrong, I adore Spike as much as the next non-blind girl with some semblance of humor but… and I may be b*tch slapped for saying this... I personally felt that the Spike that had me in stitches in the early seasons of Buffy got transformed so dramatically that I couldn't continue to watch him in the same way.

That said, I am one of the sad cases without a channel that has screened season five. He may have gone back to being good ol' Will the bloody that I loved to slightly hate.

However, my vote could not and would not change.

Sure, Angel's dark and brooding side is a permanent fixture. But that's his character. Tall dark mystery man with a dark past that he can't forget. Spike is his antithesis bar their shared past.

Guess I'm a sucker for the tortured soul. Plus, you know, the looks. I love Spike but Angel has always been my favourite.

RIVERTAMKICKSASS03

Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:12 PM

Angel is the best when he's a bad guy either when he was Angelus or in season 2 of angel.

RMMC

Friday, April 7, 2006 3:00 AM

Phi, I'm with you and Gypsylife. It was Angel from the get-go (it doesn't hurt that I prefer brunettes to blondes .)
I like Spike, but frankly I found him much more fun being happily evil. Angel I liked either way.

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WHOOPS

Friday, April 7, 2006 9:33 PM

Gota go with Spike (gota support the English guy) But seriously i thought his performances were very good in Angel and in Buffy.

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JWHEDONADDICT

Saturday, April 8, 2006 1:23 AM

I adore both characters pretty much equally, I guess. They're both intriguing, decent (at the end of the day) and incredibly sexy. If I were Buffy, I'd have trouble choosing, too!

However, in real life, I'm more of a Joe Normal kind of girl. I'm more into the nice, stable men, like Xander, Riley and Wes.

EVILDINOSAUR

Saturday, April 8, 2006 5:03 PM

I think they're both awesome characters, one's not better than the other. And as several people have said allready I'm sure, the reason the introduction of Spike was so great in season 5 is because david and james work so great with eachother, and whenever Spike and Angel get into an argument, hilarity ensues. (remembering the astronaut vs. caveman argument lol)

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THENCDUCK

Saturday, April 8, 2006 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
I think they're both awesome characters, one's not better than the other. And as several people have said allready I'm sure, the reason the introduction of Spike was so great in season 5 is because david and james work so great with eachother, and whenever Spike and Angel get into an argument, hilarity ensues. (remembering the astronaut vs. caveman argument lol)

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

That was a hilarious argument, I laugh evertime I watch that episode. I wish there could have been another season with those two characters. Hopefully we will get a movie with both of them in it.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:30 PM

Not a big fan of Season 5 personally. And not particualrly a big fan of Spike once he was passed Buffy season 4.

He just hung around like a bad smell, and he'd be put into the most ridiculous of places!

I mean he left sunnydale, then came back, left for LA and then came back, then left once more and went to LA again!

James Marsters is clearly a wonderful actor but the tenuous links they'd employ to keep him around was detrimental to the overall plot. And Angel season 5 suffered through too many faces from the past coming back to make light threats and be beaten.

That said one of the funniest episodes EVER is the one where Angel and Spike go to Italy!!! Absolutely fantastic!!! Trouble is that felt like an entirely different show altogether :(

So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:04 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.

Ah, mi amigo, the only real difference we share.
I like Spike!
I can't wait to see Spike and Angel play off eachother!

Chrisisall, out for a walk, bitch.

DALLASFIREFLY

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:14 PM

I preferred Spike, Angel was a dull character by comparison.

I wanna be Mr. Baccarin!

THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:17 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

So to answer the question (sorry) Angel.

Ah, mi amigo, the only real difference we share.
I like Spike!
I can't wait to see Spike and Angel play off eachother!

Chrisisall, out for a walk, bitch.

Hey Chris

Well it had to happen I guess.

Thing is I don't dislike Spike, but he was at his best when paired with Drusilla in Season 2 of Buffy.

Still it's just like me to choose the one character to be annoyed by and have him show up for the longest stint in a Joss show!

You can imagine I was just waiting for his obligatory appearance in SERENITY

The
Sulky One ;)

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

You can imagine I was just waiting for his obligatory appearance in SERENITY

He would have made a good Badger....

Spike bugged me at first Chrisisall

RUGBUG

Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:10 PM

Angel. It's got to be Angel.

Spike is funny. Spike is ridiculous. Spike has no moral compass, even when he has a soul. He's superficial...although very upfront about it.

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When Spike comes back, one of the first things he tries to do is to leave and find Buffy. Whe he is finally corporealized (is that a word...and if so, did I spell is correctly?

) he wants to go get her.

Spike doesn't care about anyone but himself (and indirectly Buffy, but only because he wants her. Angel wants Buffy as well...probably more so..and yet he knows that it isn't right for them to be together. Spike is more fun because he's a child. Angel is more adult in his decisions and therefore less likeable. Not that Angel is always right, but just more responsible. Angel knows that he will never atone for his wrongs. Spike doesn't much care.

And on a purely superficial note: Angel may wear lifts, but he's like 5" taller than Spike, who is only a smidge taller than Buffy (SMG is 5'2"?). I like my men to be at least a tad taller than me.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:19 PM

Look at the end of Fool For Love, a hint of nobility remains...even without a soul.
I think you don't give Spike enough credit...

Nancy-boy Chrisisall

KWICKO

Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:35 PM

On the matter of the whole soul-having thing, you've also got to remember that Angel had his soul imposed on him, twice, without a choice in the matter - once by a Gypsy curse, and then by Willow's spell. Spike, on the other hand, CHOSE to go and fight for his soul and regain it through trials and tests. So who's the nobler and more responsible of the two now? :) It's a tougher question than it looks like on first blush...

Mike

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VINTERDRAKEN

Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:43 PM

I like Spike best of all the Angel/Buffy cast, and I wish he could have his own spinoff.

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GEEKUSA

Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:55 PM

I'm not a big fan of Angel so much as I think Angelus is a riot. I really liked his brief return in season 4 when he's dealing with the "voice," his trip back into Angel's memory with Faith ("you saved a puppy!"), and his sudden but inevitable betrayal. Then again I'm a fan of big bads who enjoy their work (like the Mayor).

But I like Spike too. He's always been a great antagonist, but developed some real depth during the run of both shows. All right...the near rape thing with Buffy kinda left me with a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of his run on the show, but I really liked him on Angel. The episode where the hell dimension keeps trying to suck him down kinda stuck with me. And of course Spike's banter with Xander, Giles, and Angel is almost always gold.

"Knew it...probably...saw them cops...and...turned...tail..."

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RUGBUG

Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
On the matter of the whole soul-having thing, you've also got to remember that Angel had his soul imposed on him, twice, without a choice in the matter - once by a Gypsy curse, and then by Willow's spell. Spike, on the other hand, CHOSE to go and fight for his soul and regain it through trials and tests. So who's the nobler and more responsible of the two now? :) It's a tougher question than it looks like on first blush...

Mike

Uh-oh, I think I might be starting off on the wrong foot on this forum.

But to hell with being liked.

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Spike CHOSE to get his soul back so he could get Buffy.

Nothing noble in that, IMO. He didn't do it to atone. He didn't do it because it was the right thing to do or he could. He did it to get the girl.

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Because after trying to RAPE Buffy, he felt guilty and knew the only way he could ever, possibly get near her again was if he had a soul.

Angel's soul was imposed on him...but he did much better with it than Spike. Angel actually owned up to the guilt of his past and knew the only thing he could do, not to clean the slate, but to live with himself, was to play the hero. He knew he couldn't atone, but strived to be good. Spike just shrugged his shoulders about the past and lived his life as if it didn't happen.

So, someone tell me...how weary should I be of posting spoilers? It seems there are quite a few browncoats just starting to watch BtVS or Angel. I would hate to spoil it for them.

KWICKO

Friday, May 19, 2006 2:13 AM

Rugbug: No worries on my part. Don't worry about being liked or not - you bring up good points. And that ain't nothin', as Mal would say.

Yeah, Spike did it to get the girl, but people have done much worse things in the name of love. And you're right - he DID just kind of shrug his shoulders and go on as if the past had never happened, but that's just so... SPIKE! He does that about pretty much everything. It's part of what's so endearing in him as a character - but it's something that's annoying as hell in real life! :)

And you're right about Angel, too - he DID to a much better job with the care and feeding of his soul. He has grand plans, and follows them through; Spike *tries* to plan things, but then gets impatient and just jumps in, to hell with the consequences. Guess it shows that Angel has actually matured in his 240-odd years, where Spike is still an adolescent, at least developmentally.

That's what I love about these conversations; I have my ideas about things, and others bring in their own ideas. And hopefully we all get to think about things from different viewpoints and see things we might not have noticed before.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

SOULQUAKE

Friday, May 19, 2006 2:27 AM

If I had to pick one, it'd be Spike. *But*, I think they both work best together :D

Spike: Do you want me to give her a message?
Angel: Yeah, tell her you're an idiot.

Heh.

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CHRISISALL

Friday, May 19, 2006 2:48 AM

Point to consider:
Who was more evil without a soul?

Spike was at heart, a broken, love-sick boy.
Angel started out as a d**k. Becoming a vampire just made him worse, IMHO.

Defender of the Spike Chrisisall

RUGBUG

Friday, May 19, 2006 3:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Point to consider:
Who was more evil without a soul?

Spike was at heart, a broken, love-sick boy.
Angel started out as a d**k. Becoming a vampire just made him worse, IMHO.

Defender of the Spike Chrisisall

Very true. And if they are both evil, I prefer Angelus. He was wicked. Spike never really seemed that evil. His relationship with Dru was twisted (although not as twisted as Angelus') but as the big bad, his plans were just dumb. Angelus was psychologically terrifying. Spike? Not so much. I'd much rather have Spike be my enemy than Angelus.

Some of my favorite episodes of both BtVS and Angel are when Angelus is present. LOVE him...and his leather pants.

ENGINEANGEL

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:18 PM

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...ahem...ok, now that we have that point covered

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:23 PM

I thought this was going to be about who should be with Buffy. I was going to say Angel. Spike was way out of her league.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 19, 2006 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by RugBug:

Very true. And if they are both evil, I prefer Angelus. He was wicked. Spike never really seemed that evil.

Exactly why i like Spike better.
He is the dark side of geeks everywhere.

Not that I consider myself a...geek... Chrisisall

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, May 19, 2006 6:34 PM

Being neither attracted to men nor dead people I don't know or care who is hotter. When it comes to which I like more I have to go with Angel.

Spike is great, and can steal a show, but he needs someone to steal it from. Angel can make a show. Spike needs to play second fiddle, on occasion he can do it so well that you might forget about the one playing first, but I've never seen him pull off a solo or make me think he could. On the flip all of the other characters in Angel, and most of the ones in Buffy, even the ones that Spike is (far) better than could play solo just fine.

Spike is great and I'd hate to be without him, but if I'm just picking one he's not it, you can't steal a one man show and second fiddle is useless without a first.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:17 PM

Well, yeah...Spike needs to play off someone. To watch Spike all by his lonesome just talking to himself would be...WAIT! We saw that in Angel's first ep, it was great!

I really hope that Spike TV movie happens, the one Tim (I think it was) Minear pitched to Joss.

Chrisisall, laying in wait

TEINEN

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:38 PM

Neither.

I like that guy with the incredibley horrible make up job. You now the green devil, fake as hell lookin dude. Honestly, that guy sucks, i cant believe that we are meant to buy that guy as a character. Just looks silly, and poorly done. Like a Disney channel monster or some crap.

It was laughable, and the kind of thing that made me (and many others)not give any of Joss's previous work a chance cuz it looked so damn corny.

David Borianus is very lame, and that other guys name is Spike and he has spikey hair (wow clever).

Luckily i found Firefly. Ive tryed to watch that other stuff, Angel, Buffy, and it is just stupid.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:43 PM

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Originally posted by teinen:
Ive tryed to watch that other stuff, Angel, Buffy, and it is just stupid.

May the Hellmouth spit a curse upon thee, and sear your flesh with the molten bile that is your post!

Or maybe just give Buffy another chance....

Chrisisall

RUGBUG

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:01 PM

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Originally posted by teinen:
and that other guys name is Spike and he has spikey hair (wow clever).

Or perhaps he got his name from his love of using a railroad spike? Just a thought.

Really, it's okay to not like Buffy or Angel...no reason to get all pre-teen about it. But are those universes that much harder to believe than Firefly's?

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:45 PM

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Originally posted by RugBug:

Or perhaps he got his name from his love of using a railroad spike? Just a thought.

B]

Yeah, Spike doesn't even have spikey hair, Angel does (sort of). Spike's got more like helmet hair that's glued to his head. I always wonder why people make judgments about shows they really know nothing about. Is it just because they can't get past the surface of them, or are afraid people will judge them by what they watch? If so, I feel bad for them.

(By the way, Rugbug, I wasn't talking about you, in case it came off that way. Just borrowing your quote.)

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

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TEINEN

Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:26 AM

But still nobody defends that lame Disney channel makeup, lame green devil lookin guy. That guy is just lame. Who is he?

Firefly = Good

Buffy/Angel = Kinda corny (sorry)

Oh and yes, i do believe Firefly over Buffy, cuz vampires are just a bunch of cliche bullshite.

22CLAWS

Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:35 AM

Spike. He reacts to crisis with earnest bravado, while Angel second-guesses and broods. Angel brooded for like seventy years. That's lame. Spike takes action. Spike won his soul back. Spike wins, Angel worries.
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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:04 AM

Overall, I would have to say Angel.

I love Spike, I really do, but I don't think he works as a main character. He's always best when he's sparring off a main character, be it Buffy or Angel. He certainly added to the last season of Angel, although in fairness that series was very funny before he arrived. He just stole all the best lines when he showed up!

Spike was there to highlight the difference between his style and Angel's. Spike is action, Angel is reaction. Spike went and got his soul (although personally I think he initially intended to break Buffy's heart once he had it, but that's another issue!) Angel had his soul forced on him. Does Angel brood and worry more? Of course he does! Spike ~knew~ what was going to happen, and even he was shocked by how he felt, to the point that he actually hurt himself trying to cut it back out. Imagine that being sprung on a creature of utter evil like Angelus without any warning whatsoever. Seventy years of torment sounds about right. But in the end it was Angel's careful planning and willingness to rub shoulders with the bad guys that ... well, saying more would ruin the finale for anyone that hasn't seen it yet, but those who ~have~ seen it know what I mean. Could Spike have carried the same plan off?

As for who is the best looking, this is the point where I admit the person I lust after is Xander, which apparently disqualifies me from any conversation involving the hotness of guys accoring to all my Spike obsessed friends! But Xander, like Spike, is a character that works best in the background rather than in the limelight. They're both incredibly funny, they both had some fantastic storylines and they both grew and changed over the years just like the main characters of each show, but for me they were always there to provide the other point of view, to say the stuff we always wanted to say, to throw a spanner in the works every now and then and to be there for the people they loved when it counted. I don't think either would work half as well as a main character.

Desktop Hippie: at one with the 'verse

CHRISISALL

Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:11 PM

So far, Spike is AWESOME in Angel S5!

Chrisisall, S5 newbie

COPILOT

Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:17 PM

I'll go with Spike for 500 Alex.
He's just got a certain quirky humor to him. Although Angel would kick his ass in a fight. Angel's just way too angsty for me. I know Spike got some angstyness but he's just so damn funny in his broding (sp?).
Also Astronauts to Cavemen anyday. Although like Angel Cavemen would beat the astonauts down like whiney

An I carried such a torch

ZOOT

Monday, May 22, 2006 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Spike, definatly. And you MUST see Season 5 and enough w/ the excuses. It's some of Joss's best stuff ever.

OK so I have now bought and am most of the way through season 5 and gotta say- SPIKE ROCKS ... but its the way Spike and Angel spark off each other that really makes it- as Joss says in one of the commentaries "We finally found the right girl for Angel ... and that's Spike."

My particular favourite:

Select to view spoiler:

Spike sticking a whopping great sword through Angel's middle just to kill the creature clinging to Angel's back - genius

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JAYNESAGIRLSNAME

Monday, May 22, 2006 11:00 AM

ok iv seen every season of buffy and angel and i recon spike is the best. everythink that James Masters has done is good and he had a good band ghost of the robots.

ZOOT

Monday, May 22, 2006 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:

As for who is the best looking, this is the point where I admit the person I lust after is Xander, which apparently disqualifies me from any conversation involving the hotness of guys accoring to all my Spike obsessed friends!

Desktop Hippie: at one with the 'verse

Oh god! I can SO relate ... I lusted hideously after Riley which, according to everyone I know, makes me unfit as a human being!!

After him I probably would have to go for Giles ... But that's only cos I'm British ...

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CALHOUN

Monday, May 22, 2006 12:23 PM

I've got five words for you!

Spike.. Is.. the.. Man!............... BITCH!

RUGBUG

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:28 PM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
As for who is the best looking, this is the point where I admit the person I lust after is Xander, which apparently disqualifies me from any conversation involving the hotness of guys accoring to all my Spike obsessed friends!

Back when the show was on air and the "Angel or Xander" question came up, it was always Xander for me. Give me funny and cute over tortured and sexy any day. But then, sadly, Season 4,5,6,7 happened and Xander "expanded." I know, I know...it's terribly shallow of me, but I like my TV men to be a bit more in shape. I think Nicholas Brendan got married sometime in season 4...

. BTW, Angel lost some appeal as he "expanded" as well. DB is back to fighting weight on his new show, though.

Teinen: I agree that Lorne is strange and ocassionally annoying. I have never been a fan of that character and I am really not fond of him when he is singing.

But he does have some good dialogue and a perspective that is interesting.

CHRISISALL

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:36 PM

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Originally posted by Zoot:
I lusted hideously after Riley which, according to everyone I know, makes me unfit as a human being!!

No way!
I still imagine he and Buffy getting together in the future; she deserves him.

Soap-opera-like Chrisisall

ZOOT

Monday, May 22, 2006 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zoot:
I lusted hideously after Riley which, according to everyone I know, makes me unfit as a human being!!

No way!
I still imagine he and Buffy getting together in the future; she deserves him.

Soap-opera-like Chrisisall

I know - it's awful, isn't it!! I feel kinda dirty but then, that makes it all the better ...

Could never quite believe the Angel Season 5 idea that the Bufster is "studying" in Europe - "What's she studying?" I cry - as I recall she had some difficulty with the English language let alone any foreign tongue and I don't remember her being a Veronica Mars or Ryan Atwood in the class room (for those not up on the best shows on telly - I mean someone who never seems to study or even be in school - due to spending all night detecting/ beating people up - and yet still a genius) ...

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CHRISISALL

Monday, May 22, 2006 3:12 PM

You're a little ahead of me Zoot, I'm only on the 4th ep of S5.
Bit of a co-incidence, us both getting it 'round the same time, what?

S5 is bloody excellent so far Chrisisall

ZOOT

Monday, May 22, 2006 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You're a little ahead of me Zoot, I'm only on the 4th ep of S5.
Bit of a co-incidence, us both getting it 'round the same time, what?

S5 is bloody excellent so far Chrisisall

Don't know about coincidence, CIA, though I obviously believe that we are so in sync its scary ... but certainly the region 2 DVDs only just got released over here - I had it on pre-order...

Feel like a bit of a cheat as stopped watching Angel on TV half way through season 4 - but so desperate to see season 5 that couldn't wait till I can afford seasons 3&4 as well ...

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CHRISISALL

Monday, May 22, 2006 3:49 PM

I've seen 1 & 2, but I actually skipped 3 & 4, I just saw Buffy's final season for the first time last month, and yearned for some continuation, hense Angel 5. 1 & 2 were good, but 5 is AWESOME!
I understand 3 & 4 were all creepy and uneven with the pregnant Charisma and all, so I might not see them....
But Angel and Spike, what a team!

Chrisisall spiked

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, May 22, 2006 3:52 PM

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Originally posted by teinen:
But still nobody defends that lame Disney channel makeup, lame green devil lookin guy. That guy is just lame. Who is he?

Have you ever listened to him talk for a while? Not all that lame.

Sort of like Inara minus the sex (and gender) plus Wash. Only not. And if anyone doesn't understand what I mean I'm sorry you just gotta grok it.

ZOOT

Monday, May 22, 2006 3:58 PM

Yeah - I too liked Angel 1 &2 - Particularly Pylia, for some strange reason, but then absolutely HATED the Connor crap and found it hard to bother watching ... I watched the end of season 3 briefly as was desperate for Angel and Cordy to finally get together - was so incensed when they didn't that it's hard to describe - Season 4, despite Gina Torres, was just cruddy - But you're right Angel and Spike, coupled with the welcome return of Harmony and Fred getting a backbone, brings season 5 back on form ...

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LILKAYLEE29

Monday, May 22, 2006 4:04 PM

I'd personally take both!! I think Angel is cool for his sexy broodiness and proficiency with weapons, and I like Spike cause he's a smartass, sexy, funny, and he likes to fight. As for Angel and Spike onscreen together...pure gold!!! I loved those scenes esp in Angel season 5, could they be any funnier playing off of each other? And the jealousy between them on both series, pure Jossy goodness!! I love it!!

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CHRISISALL

Monday, May 22, 2006 4:27 PM

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Originally posted by Zoot:
Yeah - I too liked Angel 1 &2 - Particularly Pylia, for some strange reason

The Pylia (Pylea -?) eps annoyed me some, I guess I wasn't ready for it, it looked like a Hercules or Xena world, and had me snickerin' to myself....
And the Host's head in the basket

....maybe I need to watch 'em again *chuckle*

Dead serious Chrisisall, always kidding

ZOOT

Monday, May 22, 2006 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zoot:
Yeah - I too liked Angel 1 &2 - Particularly Pylia, for some strange reason
The Pylia (Pylea -?) eps annoyed me some, I guess I wasn't ready for it, it looked like a Hercules or Xena world, and had me snickerin' to myself....
And the Host's head in the basket ....maybe I need to watch 'em again *chuckle*

Dead serious Chrisisall, always kidding

Aw come on! What could be funnier:

"Numfar! Do the dance of joy" ...

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CHRISISALL

Monday, May 22, 2006 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by Zoot:

"Numfar! Do the dance of joy" ...

Okay, Joss was hi-larious there.

I take it back, Pylea was okay...
*does that look Ash did in Army of Darkness when he was asked if he said the words*

S5 fan Chrisisall

ZOOT

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay, Joss was hi-larious there.

I take it back, Pylea was okay...
*does that look Ash did in Army of Darkness when he was asked if he said the words*

S5 fan Chrisisall

I've not watched A 0f D - I have it DVD but soemhow have never got round to it ... is it worth it?

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:28 PM

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Originally posted by Zoot:

I've not watched A 0f D - I have it DVD but soemhow have never got round to it ... is it worth it?

Get a bucket of popcorn and a buzz on; it's the best thing this side of Buffy!
In the right mood, you'll LYAO!!

(It's a very American sense of humour, a sort of dummed down type of Monty Python's Holy Grail, but demon-oriented.)

Hail to the King, baby! Chrisisall

TEINEN

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:08 PM

Watch Evil Dead 2 first. Its basically a remake of Evil Dead 1.

And Army of Darkness is one of the greatest films of all time. Bruce Campbell is one of a kind.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by teinen:

And Army of Darkness is one of the greatest films of all time. Bruce Campbell is one of a kind.

No joke, seen it over a hundred times (used to manage a video store...).

Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun Chrisisall