How gay is Superman?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
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The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?
We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall
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Nonsense! Superheros have always worn spandex. Not like his costume is pink now or anything! Now that would be a "bold queer attitude"! A purple spandex costume with a pink triangle symbol and matching cape! Oh that would be great! Maybe I'll try to photoshop that!
Anyway, no, I'm sorry, I don't see a lot of difference between the "old" and "new" superhero movies except the actors are different and the effects are better.
And actually, if you think about X-men, they are actually a bit less gay; bypassing bright spandex for dark and servicable leather. At least in Wolverine's case.
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Quote:Set off your gay-dar huh...
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?
We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Umm...less gay than these guys ? 
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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There have been rumors that Brian Singer wanted to find an closeted gay actor to play Superman and have that person "come out" after the movie debuted...he has stated in the past that his hero movies have intentionally had gay overtones...my question is, why? Did Brokeback Mountain have superhero overtones?
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Well Batman the series tried to be very gay, and admitted to that years afterward, and were smacked down by the censors, told to under light their crotches, and stand farther apart amoung other things.
None the less they are still remembered as being gay.
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Has anyone watched the old superman cartoons? It's all about Lois Lane! She's out catching bad guys shooting machine guns flying airplanes! All superman does is say this looks like a job for superman and goes a rescues her when she's in touble. It should be called The Adventures of Lois Lane because superman is just a sidekick. Oddly enough Lois Lane gets lamer as the years pass. So in conculsion Superman isn't homosexual he's just boring!
No one hurt me please it's just my opinon and observations.
An I carried such a torch.......For the Dark Lord
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And actually, if you think about X-men, they are actually a bit less gay; bypassing bright spandex for dark and servicable leather. At least in Wolverine's case.
oh you must not be reading Joss' Astonishing X-men,
because Joss got them all back into the spandex
(even wolverine!)
I have to find the site w/the the reprints of actual old comic book covers...
because they are all FULL of 'subtext' LOL
found some...here:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=uscc_part1
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
dark and servicable leather.
When did leather stop being gay?

And on the topic of Superman there is a certain parallel between the secret identity of Clark Kent and the closeted life style that untill fairly recently almost all gays had to lead. A man who in his normal life must hide his true identity from everybody he knows but when donning the tights is free to be who he truly is.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Quote:LMAOROTF!!!!!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Umm...less gay than these guys ?
Tee hee Chrisisall
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This might already be well known, but I thought it was cool when I found out that Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrel are the voices for the Ambiguously Gay Duo.
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Phoenix...I miss your other sig. Why'd ya change it ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Phoenix...I miss your other sig. Why'd ya change it ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
I agree, where'd it go?
"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal
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So far today.. this is my very favorite thread.
"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal
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Quote:That makes you a bit of a super-powered fag hag, doesn't it?
Originally posted by FollowMal:
So far today.. this is my very favorite thread.
Metro Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:That makes you a bit of a super-powered fag hag, doesn't it?
Originally posted by FollowMal:
So far today.. this is my very favorite thread.
Metro Chrisisall
aren't we all?
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okay, maybe not YOU Chris
I was just recommending this slash fic to a friend on lj :
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=1515
(altho I guess maybe I should recommend it at the 'Slash, bleh' thread instead... LOL)
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Originally posted by FollowMal:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Phoenix...I miss your other sig. Why'd ya change it?
I agree, where'd it go?
Well that's sweet!

I thought it was a bit big and bright; with me posting all the time it got overpowering on some threads, so I went for a smaller, cuter icon sig.
I do love my old one, though, just cuz I'm so proud of making it. Not like it's gone forever; it's easy to bring back! And I do still bring it out for special occasions like a new Forsaken thread or people asking me to.
As for leather not being gay; I think there are a few bikers who would tell you why it isn't. Plus, it's only the skintight pants I was thinking of; the X-men (movie X-men, wasn't talking about any of the comic books) almost have leather armor. Doesn't look like clubbing gear, y'know.
But hey, maybe there are overtones and that's ok too! I'm just saying, if there are there it's nothing new or "bold". Maybe people are just seeing it a certain way now. I like the secret identity/closeted parallel; very nice.
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Quote:If I were PirateNews I'd take this image as proof of George Bush having gay orgies at Bohemia Grove.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I mean the guys watching have silly hats...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.
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Originally posted by citizen:
If I were PirateNews I'd take this image as proof of George Bush having gay orgies at Bohemia Grove.
I've always loved the 'Ambiguously Gay Duo' on Sat Night Live! LOL
BTW I found the site (w/help from a friend) w/the truly questionable, but totally real, comic book covers:
http://www.superdickery.com/galleries.html
really funny stuff.
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
As for leather not being gay; I think there are a few bikers who would tell you why it isn't.
I can probably find just as many that will tell you why it is.

David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Originally posted by embers:
BTW I found the site (w/help from a friend) w/the truly questionable, but totally real, comic book covers:
http://www.superdickery.com/galleries.html
really funny stuff.
Ah, yes, Super Dickery. Absolute comedy gold.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Those covers are hi-larious! 
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Those covers are hi-larious!
yeah, endlessly funny!
BTW I love your Falling Down Laughing emoticon
(I love your signiture too!)
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Oh dear *wipes eyes*
He really is kind of a dick, isn't he?
My favorite "wrong" one is the panel where is shows batman and robin waking up together. 
Oh, and I used to read Archie, too! It makes a few appearances. There should be more sites like this!
I didn't see any X-men...?
Thank you, embers! It's one of my favorites as well. You're quite welcome to save it if you want to use it yourself.
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Oh you bad, bad people!
I've just spent 2 hours when I should have been working being drawn constantly back to this site for a quick snigger!
I then had to send it to all my friends, most of whom are at work and too afraid to open anything with superdickery in the title!
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Hisssssss!
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I have now looked at pretty much everything that's up currently. Are there others? Any suggestions? C'mon, my work, unlike most, is boring and solitary. I needs me some entertainment!
Heh, I told my Superman fan dad about it; cracked him up! Especially the fact that it was called "Superdickery"!
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Oh dear *wipes eyes*
He really is kind of a dick, isn't he?
My favorite "wrong" one is the panel where is shows batman and robin waking up together.
Oh, and I used to read Archie, too! It makes a few appearances. There should be more sites like this!
I didn't see any X-men...?
Well the site is almost all DC stuff. Not sure why maybe he just knows those better.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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He wears his undies outside his Lycra tights. Soooooooo gay.
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This is really funny stuff!
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I think that media outlets are blowing this whole Superman is gay thing out of proportion just because he wears spandex. See, I follow the philosphy that anyone who wears spandex in public is gay. It doesn't matter if you're a superhero or a fat old man, you're still gay.
*Think up a joke about Osama bin Laden wearing spandex*
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LOL! I don't know. Only those who look good in spandex should wear it. So, Superman, yes. Bin Laden, not so much.
Jokes about Bin Laden? -- of course!
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Superman's not gay at all!
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Certainly, SuperOpus isn't!
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Ok, how about this then?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=11428
Your fault Chris.
If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting
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I love that picture you posted in the Blue Sun Room!
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I had to stop reading the Superdickery site because I was laughing so hard I thought I would cry. Or Mountain Dew would shoot out of my nose onto the keyboard. Thanks!!!
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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Ok, how about this then?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=11428
Your fault Chris.If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting
Good stuff. But if you really want to play up the gay aspect you need two of the mars symbols intertwined.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Ember,
Thank you for the Superdickery website. It was an absolute hoot!
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Saw Superman yesterday. Good movie. Superman is a true hero. STFU about the gay reference.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?
We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall
Grow up boy.
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Quote:Ms. ShadowBUG, don't get me angry.
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Grow up boy.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
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Anyone seen the movie and think Superman is a little creepy? I'm not that into Superman (more Spiderman and Batman), but I REALLY LIKED this movie. But there are some things I notice now as an adult that I didn't notice when I was a kid. Ok, I always noticed Lois is completely lame in the movies. Hard to see how she's supposed to be so strong, capable, and intelligent (not a Whedon woman).
Maybe a little spoiler here, but nothing big you couldn't guess from the trailer.
So, having a guy float outside your house and watch you with his x-ray vision? Uh, that's completely stalker. Not cool, even though he's hot. And the "let me show you something" flight after she basically says she wants to stay with her new (dependable) family also seems like something a nice guy wouldn't do. That one might be splitting hairs, but the thing that bugs me actually comes from the end of the 2nd move. The roofie-kiss. If nothing else, Joss has taught us that erasing someone's mind is never a good idea.
Don't let me give anyone the wrong idea. I really did love the movie. I'll probably see it again and buy it. Highly recommended.
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Originally posted by ShadowFLY:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The magazine The Advocate had this on last month's cover, over a picture of Brandon Routh in the costume, and in it, it explored the 'bold queer attitude' of the new wave of superhero films.
I thought this might make for a lively discussion.
What do you think?
We're not Hetro, we're Metro, get used to it Chrisisall
Grow up boy.
Chill out, dude.
Yeah, Superman certainly seems to have stalker tendancies. As the website says, he's a bit of a dick, too. I mean, I get it. What's the saying? "Absolute power corupts absolutely." Plus there was that whole his planet got blown up and his real family is dead.
Something that bugged me about Smallville was that Lex, who evolves of course into a villian, was a really nice guy and a good friend. Sure he had his dark side, too, had to, but damn he was a good friend! And Clark is an ungrateful and undependable dick. I thought it was just the WB writers, but no, now I find there was some precedent for it. Heh.
Well really, though, how could it be interesting if he had no character flaws? It's not like he ever loses a fight or anything.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Ms. ShadowBUG, don't get me angry.
Originally posted by ShadowFLY:
Grow up boy.
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
Chrisisall Banner
obviously some over compensating going on there...
luckily Chisisall is secure in his manhood.
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Originally posted by Aerin:
Anyone seen the movie and think Superman is a little creepy? So, having a guy float outside your house and watch you with his x-ray vision? Uh, that's completely stalker.
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Don't forget about him being a dead beat dad. What's he owe, about five years of child support?
I honestly didn't think he was creepy but I did have a few laughs with the guys I was with on this subject.
The whole gay thing is pretty damn stupid. Back when the character was created there wasn't exactly a large outed gay community in the U.S. so no one looked at things the way they do now. As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee? Think I'll go with Bryan Singer's answer to the "is he gay question" and say "he isn't". Why do so many gay people believe everyone is gay?
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THAR BE SPOILERS HERE MATEY!!
OK, I'm still trying to figure this Superman/gay thing, despite the way Superman is portrayed. Let's go thru this checklist:
Did Clark Kent talk/ask about Lois Lane? Check.
Did Clark seem upset when he found out that Lois had a child and live-in boyfriend? Check.
Did Superman go to Lois' house at night to see her in her house (very stalker-ish, I agree). Check.
Did he give her (another) bird's-eye view of the city? Check. (Trying to remember the first Superman movie. Was it the city?)
Did he almost give her a kiss on the lips (only to be stopped by her)? Check.
Does he chase after a major hottie? Check.
(SUPER SPOILER AHEAD):
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And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.
I kinda think some gay writers were projecting some wishful thinking here, and the other men who think Superman's gay may be ready to come out of the closet soon.
The other possibility is he's bi-sexual. Yes! That's it! He's after Lois' boyfriend!!!!!!

But gay.
Nope.
D'uh.

Just my two cents.
Everyone dies alone.
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Originally posted by JRC:
(SUPER SPOILER AHEAD):Select to view spoiler:
And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.
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Awww...now that takes the fun out of the Mallrats arguement on whether she could carry his child or not...
"Well next time you be the bait!"~Andy Hurley
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Originally posted by singate:
As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee?
Superboy beat him to it.


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
As for the costume, what is acceptable for a superhero? Should he wear a suit or maybe jeans and a tee?
Superboy beat him to it.
the X-men had switched to the cool leather clothes,
but Marvel made Joss put them back into the spandex
tradition does count for something....
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Originally posted by ShinyYukari:Quote:
Originally posted by JRC:
(SUPER SPOILER AHEAD):Select to view spoiler:
And last, but not in the least, did we find out that he has a son with Lois? Check.
Select to view spoiler:
Awww...now that takes the fun out of the Mallrats arguement on whether she could carry his child or not...
I had the Mallrats discussion with my brother after the movie!
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He figured Lois got impregnated when Superman gave up his powers in the second movie, thus she was capable of having his child. But Superman's powers weren't completely gone so the kid inherited some. This is one of the memories Superman would have erased with the kiss. Eeew! Imagine what a shock that would be - finding out you had Superman's kid when you had no memory of sleeping with him. I believe it happened some other time.
I agree Superman is a deadbeat dad. He seems to think it's ok that some rich, clueless guy raises his son while he just pays occassional visits. Yeah, that's healthy. And I get the sense Lois really thought the boy was Richard's son. So she was sleeping around? If she knew it was Superman's son did she shop around the Daily Planet looking for a rich dad?
I guess flaws are what make characters more interesting and easier for us to relate to.
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Actually, the "Superman as crappy father-figure" is in the comics too.
Among the metahuman/vigilante community, teenage sidekicks (Robin, Superboy, Wondergirl, Kid Flash/Impulse, Batgirl, etc) are basically "adopted" by their adult counterparts, who are responsible for their training (both in terms of skills and in terms of keeping them on the straight and narrow).
Batman's approach (up 'til about a year ago, when Spoiler died) was to keep both Robin and Batgirl on a short leash, giving them enough freedom to have the illusion of making their own decisions, while still being near enough for him to rescue them. He lavished Batgirl in particular with various expensive "toys," including her own batcave, her own civillian hideout, a motorcycle that she never used, full access to his training facilities and resources, and even let her tag along with him in civillian guise as he travelled the world (as a Waynetech "intern"). Robin is the "older brother," who is allowed the use of Bat-vehicle he requires by simply asking.
Wonder Woman actually lived with Cassie (Wonder Girl) and her mom for a while (she may still, I haven't really followed her books), and still shares meals, vacations, and non-crime-fighting activities with the family.
Flash put Impulse in the care of Max Mercury, the speedster who had trained him, mainly because he knew he himself was too immature to be a good role model. He still visited frequently and hung out with Bart.
Superman. . . Let Superboy wander off to Hawaii on his own (Supes probably didn't even know where he was) for like, two years (in comic-time). Then, when Superboy came back to Metropolis, he had to buy his own crappy-ass apartment (and I mean crappy --roaches, leaky plumbing, mold, mildew, and a morbidly obese neighbour with five babies and a drunk husband), pay for all his own stuff, and didn't even help him find a job.
Then, when it became apparent that Superboy needed help, Clark just shuffled him off to Smallville to live with the Kents.
When Superboy started putting the moves on Batgirl, it was Batman who chewed him out, then went and reported it to Superman who had no clue. 
Freakin' deadbeat.
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Ok love this thread...just saw the movie and really liked it too ( still upset about the pomeranian and the fact that non of you gits warned me!!:) However, I find it so profoundly stupid that no one can tell Clark is Superman...wtf are they all blind...or profoundly challenged?? I mean with batmanand spider man et al they have huge masks covering all or most of their faces...but freakin glasses. I mean come on people...Plus you are telling me Lois can fall in love and sleep with a man and not know what his eyes look like or his face?
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2
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Agreed! Lois is supposed to be smart, but she's clueless. Even when Superman and Clark are both mysteriously gone for 5 years and then both mysteriously reappear on the same day.
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The new boyfriend guesses the obvious, but he laughs it off with Lois' encouragement.
About the pomeranian - ever see Blade Trinity? Parker Posey also has a pomeranian in that movie. I wonder if it's just a coincidence.
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yes I loved blade trinity...hmm maybe she has a thing for violent pomeranians:)still upset over the dogs though....
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2
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I saw Superman Returns today and I liked it. I didnt expect too, but I did. I noticed something. There was a scene in the movie where Superman did an Action Comic issue #1 cover pose, June 1938 which I own by the way. Where he's lifting the blue car. I can't believe that I noticed that during the movie. I am one weird girl but I think it was a nice touch.
I love the fact that Superman saves Lois and then she saves his ass....I always wanted to see that; good touch.
Good movie but, but will easily be forgotten.
River
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OK, I just saw this at worth1000.com and I HAD to share!
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Nonsense! Superheros have always worn spandex. Not like his costume is pink now or anything! Now that would be a "bold queer attitude"! A purple spandex costume with a pink triangle symbol and matching cape! Oh that would be great! Maybe I'll try to photoshop that!
Now, though I love Superman, the movies with Christopher are still among my favorites of all time (minus III and IV respectively) after seeing this pic and reading Phoenix's post, I had to share. Enjoy.
CURSES! SHE BEAT ME TO IT!!! Though it bears repeating.
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Wow, someone else who goes on Worth1000. Shiny! 
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Wow, someone else who goes on Worth1000. Shiny!
'Course. Worth1000 is very ammusing for us cultured folk.
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"Live with a man forty years. Share his house, his meals, speak on every subject. Then, tie him up and hold him over the volcano's edge--and on that day, you will finally meet the man." ~ Shan Yu
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I just entered my first advanced contest there.
I'm a bit nervous.
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Which competition and how long before I can vote?
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"Land, Sea, and Air 5". Voting going on now! Mine is *coughaurorarelatedcough*. Oh excuse me! 
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Seriously, though, give me a vote based on your honest opinion. I know there are entries better than mine. the frustrating part about making anything for that site is that you have to use images you are "allowed" to use, so it was a struggle to find some public domain stuff, since I don't want to pay for a stockphoto membership. Though I'll probably have to one day.
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What's with all the talk about Superman's gayness? I saw the movie and he didn't seem gay at all. Matter a fact he played the role Superman very well.
I did like that when he was lifting up that blue mustang and tilting it, the directors had it look exactly like the cover of the 1938 edition of Action Comics. Good job.
River
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
What's with all the talk about Superman's gayness? I saw the movie and he didn't seem gay at all. Matter a fact he played the role Superman very well.
I did like that when he was lifting up that blue mustang and tilting it, the directors had it look exactly like the cover of the 1938 edition of Action Comics. Good job.
River
Aaaaaahh the edition I have preserved in double thick plastic cover. Hang on the edition my nephew is drawing on with crayon and wiping his butt on. Hang on i'll be back...or maybe not as I'll be in Jail for killing a minor LOL
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I think that particular Action Comic #1 from 1938 is worth about $5,000USD.
River
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I think that particular Action Comic #1 from 1938 is worth about $5,000USD.
River
Depends on the condition. If you have a copy who's condition is 9.4, the value is $500,000.00 USD.
If you have a copy who's condition is certified CGC 9.4, the current value is $1,000,000.00 USD.
It's worth $5,000 USD in 'poor' contition, which is looks something like this:

Pricing info for all grades here:
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-indiv.asp?comicTableID=253
For some reason they have the wrong cover pictured, but it's for the right issue.
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