Buffy has a Sister?

POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 12:29
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RIVER6213

Friday, June 9, 2006 9:10 PM

I was watching season 5, Buffy vs Count Dracula, and after the end of the episode *poof* Buffy has a sister!?!!?? when and where did they introduce a sister of Buffy? Its like she came out of no where...did I miss something between seasons 1 and 4?

River

RUGBUG

Friday, June 9, 2006 9:14 PM

Just keep watching, River.

SPACECOWGIRL

Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:55 AM

Yes Buffy has a sister--Dawn. You've never noticed her??? LOL

RIVER6213

Saturday, June 10, 2006 1:41 AM

No, I never noticed her at all.

And another strange thing happened. I was watching an episode of Buffy where Spike is really pissed off about something to the point where he goes and gets a shotgun, storms over to Buffy's house with the intent to blow her away. When he gets there, Buffy's on the front porch crying silently and looking really miserable. Spike walks towards her with the shotgun pointed right at her. His face is one of anger, and revenge. Buffy looks up and says "What do you want now?" The look on Spikes face was priceless. The anger that was there melts away, and he actually starts to look concerned....am I missing something here...Spike, concerned??? He then asks her if there's anything he can do! Am I missing something here? Then he puts the gun down, sits next to her on the porch, pats her on the back and then they both just sat there silently.

Buffy is in pain and fear because she thinks her mother is going to die, but Spike, well, Spike looks like he LOVES Buffy!!! Am I right in saying this? His actions were the actions of someone who loves another.

I never liked Spike until this episode. He always seemed like some punk, band member who went on tour one day and never came back. What is with Buffy that even her enemies become concerned and protective of her????

River

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:24 AM

Joss is funny.

Oh how fun for you to be watching this for the first time. Enjoy.

Remember to trust in Joss he has a plan.

How fun.

CANTONHEROINE

Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:56 AM

You seem to be watching the episodes out of order. If you watch Season 5 from the beginning, the whole thing with Dawn AND Spike gets explained.

Spoilers follow:

Select to view spoiler:

No. Dawn didn't exist before Season 5, you didn't miss anything there. It's all very weird and mystical, involving a crazy God, some monks, some knights and a key.

Several episodes before the one you mentioned (ie. 'Fool For Love' (Big clue in the Ep. title right there - also my favourite Buffy episode of all time because it explains how Spike became who he is and he's the only reason I watched the show at all)) there's one called 'Out of my Mind'. That's when Spike realized that, yes, he's in love with Buffy. It all goes downhill for him after that, he's never the same evil vamp again.

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SAMEERTIA

Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:00 AM

No! Don't give the Spoilers!

Of course Buffy has a sister. Dawn's been there the whole time!

Gosh, wish I could go back and do it all over again!

PHOENIXSHIP

Saturday, June 10, 2006 5:05 AM

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Originally posted by SameErtia:
No! Don't give the Spoilers!

Of course Buffy has a sister. Dawn's been there the whole time!

Gosh, wish I could go back and do it all over again!

Me, too. I got the syndicated version of Buffy - S4, S3, S2, S4, S1, S1, etc.

River, DO NOT read those spoilers. Hope it's not too late...

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

22CLAWS

Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:41 AM

River, do you remember the first scene from This Years Girl(season 4)? Faith is having a coma dream about her and Buffy preparing a room for "little sis." When I first saw that I thought it meant a new slayer, but it was Dawn. There are other foreshadowy moments that I have found, in retrospect.
Don't worry. All will be revealed.

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SERENITYPUNK

Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:15 AM

like tara in buffys cheese dream saying

'be back before dawn'

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JAYNESAGIRLSNAME

Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:18 AM

THE KEY

CANTONHEROINE

Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:32 AM

I seriously don't want to ruin the fun, it just seemed like there were a few blanks that needed to be filled in. I feel perfectly justified in giving spoilers if River's not watching the episodes in the proper order and missing out on important stuff.

Also, my spoilers aren't really all that spoilery. I did that on purpose. Besides, it's not as if any of it isn't already common knowledge. Buffy finished years ago.

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22CLAWS

Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:01 PM

"She is a hero, you see. She's not like us."

RIVER6213

Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by CantonHeroine:
I seriously don't want to ruin the fun, it just seemed like there were a few blanks that needed to be filled in. I feel perfectly justified in giving spoilers if River's not watching the episodes in the proper order and missing out on important stuff.

Also, my spoilers aren't really all that spoilery. I did that on purpose. Besides, it's not as if any of it isn't already common knowledge. Buffy finished years ago.

I went to your site and saw your drawings. You are VERY good. I liked all of them, but I have a question. What's with the love picture between Spike and Buffy? They don't actually get together do they?????? *Gasp*

River

SAMEERTIA

Sunday, June 11, 2006 1:48 AM

ERrr... Uh... No. No of course not. That would never work. Spike and Buffy? Really! That would be like ...like Willow suddenly discovering she's bisexual!

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:51 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
What's with the love picture between Spike and Buffy? They don't actually get together do they?????? *Gasp*

RiveR, you are EXACTLY where I was last year- believe me, it will all make sense...

Greetings from NY Chrisisall(who will escape, again)

RIVER6213

Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:23 AM

And what is this 'key' that Dawn is supposed to be? What is her function? I'm watching the episode where Buffy's mother died, and everyone is acting weird. Thank GOD I no longer care enough about anyone so when they die I get all weird and weepy. Those days are gone from me and thank goodness.
There is some coolness at being alone and isolated. Human emotions and bonding, friendship and love are all over rated. I am so protected from all of that riffraff.

River

RIVER6213

Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:24 AM

Oh, oh, Dawn's going to look at her dead mother's body...should i be scared?

River

SINGATE

Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:27 AM

Save your fear for when zombie Joyce returns to wreak havoc on Sunnydale.

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RIVER6213

Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:42 AM

I remember when I found my mother dead, i didnt act like Buffy at all, with panic, loss and fear. I was glad, but not glad in the joyful fashion. I was glad in the way that one experinces when a toothach goes away. I guess my mother had laid there all night dead and the blood had pooled to the center of her body. She was face down. I looked an touched with curiousity. It was weird but I called the ambulance and then went back to watching the Original BSG since it was airing that day. I guess my older brother and sisters freaked out a little, but that was not my problem. I never loved my mother. She gave me no reason too.

Buffy's relationship with her mother, that watcher and her friends is an alien concept for me. I cannot even begin to understand how people form relationships like that. My relationships with people were always strange. Never like what I see on Buffy. No group could ever be that tight, so I must chock it up to being a fantasy made-for-tv sort of thing.

Out of all my friends and relatives that died from natural causes or suicide, I only got upset once about a death, and that death was a guy friend I knew and talked with from time to time. His name was Bruce and he died in 2004. I think I shed a tear or two for him, and then nothing. I must be like a machine or something. Oh well, next DVD.

River

RIVER6213

Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:52 AM

OMG! look at that funeral! I don't ever want to love anyone like that to the point that if they died, or I died, everyone would be so miserble! I'm never going to make another friend as long as I live....way too dangerous. Caring about people ha! what a joke.

River

SINGATE

Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
OMG! look at that funeral! I don't ever want to love anyone like that to the point that if they died, or I died, everyone would be so miserble! I'm never going to make another friend as long as I live....way too dangerous. Caring about people ha! what a joke.

River

Okay I just have to ask. What happened to the Jesus loves me and I'm trying to reconnect with humanity River? BTW I'm glad you're over that phase.

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RIVER6213

Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by singate:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
OMG! look at that funeral! I don't ever want to love anyone like that to the point that if they died, or I died, everyone would be so miserble! I'm never going to make another friend as long as I live....way too dangerous. Caring about people ha! what a joke.

River

Okay I just have to ask. What happened to the Jesus loves me and I'm trying to reconnect with humanity River? BTW I'm glad you're over that phase.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

Jesus can take a back seat. Humanity is a germ that needs to be knocked down especially men. Humanity is meat to be wasted. Humans are nothing but a stain on the floor of life. Life means nothing, so any attempt by me to connect with humanity is an empty one. I know who and what i am now.

River

CANTONHEROINE

Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I went to your site and saw your drawings. You are VERY good. I liked all of them, but I have a question. What's with the love picture between Spike and Buffy? They don't actually get together do they?????? *Gasp*

The answer to that greatly depends on your definition of 'Together'. IMHO he's too good for her.

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CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
OMG! look at that funeral! I don't ever want to love anyone like that to the point that if they died, or I died, everyone would be so miserble! I'm never going to make another friend as long as I live....way too dangerous. Caring about people ha! what a joke.

All armoured up, and nowhere to go.
Should we not care about you, now?
Feel what you need to to get through these hard episodes (I used boxes of tissues, myself- my mom died in a somewhat similar fashion, but with a bit less hair...), but don't stop now.
They're
always changing, Buffy AND RL, that is.

The perserverant Chrisisall

CYBERSNARK

Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:44 PM

Yeah, Spike/Buffy is completely wrong. I mean, Buffy, in love with an evil vampire? Why, that's unprecedented in the history of. . . th-- . . Never mind.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I'm never going to make another friend as long as I live

Hate to break it to you, but you already have.

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TWOSHELLS

Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:20 PM

What'll really cook your noodle is when you get to season 6... holy crap!

JOSSISAGOD

Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
And what is this 'key' that Dawn is supposed to be? What is her function? I'm watching the episode where Buffy's mother died, and everyone is acting weird. Thank GOD I no longer care enough about anyone so when they die I get all weird and weepy. Those days are gone from me and thank goodness.
There is some coolness at being alone and isolated. Human emotions and bonding, friendship and love are all over rated. I am so protected from all of that riffraff.

River

Be patient(sp) It will all make sense at the end of season five!

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

"Look at me, I'm STUPID!" The Doctor.

SIMONB

Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I'm never going to make another friend as long as I live

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Hate to break it to you, but you already have.

More than one I'd say.

I guess I'm lucky. I've always had a close group of friends that spend time with me and are like family to me. It's just something that's always been a big part of my life, and it's also why I come on here - to meet new people, make new friends, find out about other people's opinions and share thoughts, memories, laugh and talk about things.

You're here River, and you have a place in this family - and despite what you may think, we're glad you're here.

I for one am enjoying reading your thoughts and reactions to Buffy season 5 - I know how I felt at first, and the confusion I felt when Dawn turned up! As for the Spike thing....I'm saying nothing at all, but I shall be keeping an eye out for your reactions to the rest of the season!

One question - do you like Glory? I know a lot of people had quibbles about her. Personally I thought she was a good villain, though you still have a few surprises to come regarding her if memory serves (and I won't give anything away here).

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

EMBERS

Monday, June 12, 2006 12:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonB:

One question - do you like Glory?

personally I never got Glory,
lamest villan ever IMO....

I enjoyed S6 way more than S5,

I'm really enjoying your reactions too River,
and frankly I think I had a similar relationship w/my Mother as you did (definite relief when she died)
luckily my brother understood how I felt.

So strap in for some serious angst in S6,
Buffy gets dark and edgy...and I'll bet you like it as much as I did!

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
So strap in for some serious angst in S6,
Buffy gets dark and edgy...and I'll bet you like it as much as I did!

I'll second that.
Angst can be cathartic (sp?)...
No dictionaries here in NY

The Edgy Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 1:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonB:

One question - do you like Glory? I know a lot of people had quibbles about her. Personally I thought she was a good villain

I totally hated her at first, but it's not always about ME (learned that from her), and I can rationalize her to the point of acceptance now.

All Buffy be good Chrisisall

RIVER6213

Monday, June 12, 2006 2:44 AM

I just finished up with Season 5 of Buffy. These DVDs are making me crazy, I need to stop this.

River

P.S. Spike with a Buffybot? OMG!

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 2:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I just finished up with Season 5 of Buffy. These DVDs are making me crazy, I need to stop this.

Funny, they drove me a little saner, in the end.

You NEED to get to the last episode. Trust us.

Closure addict Chrisisall

RIVER6213

Monday, June 12, 2006 3:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I just finished up with Season 5 of Buffy. These DVDs are making me crazy, I need to stop this.

Funny, they drove me a little saner, in the end.

You NEED to get to the last episode. Trust us.

Closure addict Chrisisall

Um, Buffy just sacrificed herself for her sister and the world. The show ended up with everyone crying and a picture of Buffy's headstone at a Grave Yard.

Buffy Summers 1981 - 2001
She Saved The World a Whole Lot

She's dead.

River

AMYEL

Monday, June 12, 2006 3:46 AM

Death doesn't mean much to superbeings. You shoulda learned that by now.

There are two more seasons to go, the show's still called Buffy the Vampire Slayer, not Buffy is Dead so We're Just Watching Her Friends Sit Around.

Like always, they'll explain everything eventually so keep on watching!

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 5:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The show ended up with everyone crying and a picture of Buffy's headstone at a Grave Yard.

Buffy Summers 1981 - 2001
She Saved The World a Lot

I knew this point would freak you a little, it did me, but I didn't see where it was going, and many told me seasons 6 and 7 sucked.

And I'm here to tell you that like YOU, she's not gone. And like YOU, she still won't have it easy. And like ALL OF US BROWNCOATS, she keeps flying.

Keep watching, RiveR, we're here for you.

Taking truths from modern myths Chrisisall

RIVER6213

Monday, June 12, 2006 2:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The show ended up with everyone crying and a picture of Buffy's headstone at a Grave Yard.

Buffy Summers 1981 - 2001
She Saved The World a Lot

I knew this point would freak you a little, it did me, but I didn't see where it was going, and many told me seasons 6 and 7 sucked.

And I'm here to tell you that like YOU, she's not gone. And like YOU, she still won't have it easy. And like ALL OF US BROWNCOATS, she keeps flying.

Keep watching, RiveR, we're here for you.

Taking truths from modern myths Chrisisall

Well as far as I'm concerned, Buffy Summers is dead. She died a heroic death for the sister she swore to protect, and of course, the world also got the benefit of being saved just for being there.

I sort of gathered that she had to give up her life anyway somewhere along the line when she had a conversation with that 1st Slayer out in the desert. "Your Gift is death" That screamed sacrifice. I just had to figure out when and where.

I'm going to put the brakes on seasons 6 and 7 because by bringing Buffy back to life is a script, direction change that I would compare with what they did with the new Battlestar Galactica. By having everyone colonize New Caprica, and then having the Cylons show up, and its one year later, with Baltar as the new President. It throws the story in a whole new direction.

The Buffy that jumped off that tower to save her sister will always be the real Buffy Summers to me. It would have been perfect if they had ended the series at season 5 I might come back to this some day, but I don't want my image of the 1st 5 seasons of Buffy wrecked.

Angel died and went to hell or whatever and look what happened to him when he came back....he was insane for a while. I don't want to see Buffy insane. And even if she came back, there is no way that she could be the same person.

Also, the way Spike was snivalling when Buffy died, its clear to me that at some point in the next 2 season's, he's going to get a soul like Angel. And Willow, I bet you anything Willow is going to be a problem down the road. You don't go from nerd girl to super witch without a little being drunk with power showing up in the mix. This is so predictable at this point regarding show directions. They should have ended this thing at season 5.

River

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 2:29 PM

Fine. Give up now that Buffy's dead. That's what I did, I needed some space. I was afraid that 6 and 7 would ruin it for me.

And then I wanted more Buffy.
And to my surprise, six made her all the more understandable and 'human'. And seven is one of my favourite seasons...but Grounded would say I'm a little twisted for that opinion....and I am, I'll admit...

Are U?

Nudge nudge, wink wink Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 2:38 PM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
They should have ended this thing at season 5.

I've actually heard that said.
But like Embers, I say NO!
If it had ended there, I would not own all the seasons, and it would be in my memory as still a poor second to Dark Angel.
Seasons 6 and 7 are what brings it up to being Dark Angel's equal, IMHO.
(I think Embers would place it above DA, but that's another thread...)

Max and Buffy Mega-fan Chrisisall

EMBERS

Monday, June 12, 2006 3:41 PM

Chris: you know me so well!
LOL

River: take a break by all means,
but I say it again:
I think you'll identify w/and understand our angsty Buffy of S6 and our distancy Buffy of S7
they both have that 'hollow'-ness which others don't seem to understand or experience, but I think you will.

I should rewatch 'Dark Angel', which I liked, but I never loved as much as I do Joss' work.
I AM Whedon's Bitch, what can I say?

CYBERSNARK

Monday, June 12, 2006 6:32 PM

Plus next season has the Musical ("Once More With Feeling"). Possibly the single greatest hour of Buffy ever, and tied with Angel's "Smile Time" episode for best hour of the Buffyverse.

"I died, so many years ago. . ." --Spike

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EMBERS

Monday, June 12, 2006 6:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Plus next season has the Musical ("Once More With Feeling"). Possibly the single greatest hour of Buffy ever, and tied with Angel's "Smile Time" episode for best hour of the Buffyverse.

oh I disagree...
I might say that 'Hush' tied w/'Smile time'
but OMWF stands proud and tall as the greatest achievement of Joss' life...
the lyrics, music, story, everything was so perfectly done.
When you consider that every single song moves the plot forward.
That every aspect of the story relates to things that have happened before and will happen in the future.
And particularly when you consider that each song had to be tailor made to fit the voice and range of each of his actors....
it is an incredible thing.
In fact I think I should put it in my DVD player and watch it again right this minute! LOL

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 12, 2006 9:27 PM

OMWF is undeniably his greatest Buffy achievement, but I still like

1) Chosen
2) Fool For Love
3) Anne
4) Amends
5) The Gift

better than that.
But not by much....

Chrisisall, Fool for Lists

RIVER6213

Monday, June 12, 2006 11:33 PM

What I'm going to do when I get home is watch Buffy again starting from Season 1. I might have missed something. I want to make sure I have things in the proper perspective. I want to watch Buffy grow into the cool person she ended up being in season 5. She starts off by being a kid who fights Vampires and Demons in the 1st season, and ends up becoming the super heroin of legends in the 5th season.

There's a big difference between the characters of Buffy from season 1 and season 5. Willow went from being this shy, timid, geeky person to this confident witch in a lesbian relationship. Xander went from being this geeky guy to an older, funny, geeky guy with courage. Giles went from being a corky librarian, to a strong, knowledgeable, father figure. I really like Giles BTW. I wish he had been my father. I would have learned a lot from him, and he would have been a great guider.

Tara reminded me of the many women I used to know in college. Her character I really didn’t like. She’s too timid. Joyce I liked a lot. I wish I had, had a mother just like her. She gave her daughter a lot of freedom, and she was loving and supportive. I would have been proud to call her Mom.

Spike. I didn’t like for a long time but later on I started to warm up to him, and even started to feel sorry for him. Every time Buffy showed up she hit him in the face and said something mean to him. She didn’t have to do that all the time, but she did. That one episode when he was trying to make a connection with Buffy, and she said that he was beneath her…I really felt sorry for him especially when he started to cry after she left. I also liked when he got pissed off and went and got his shotgun, went over to Buffy’s home with anger and vengeance in his heart, and when he got there, Buffy was sitting on her front porch crying to herself because of the news that her mother was sick and going to the hospital for a few days. He walks over, points the gun at her, and sees that she looks miserable. She asks him what does he want now in a way that suggested that she really didn’t care one way or another. His anger dissipated and he asks here what’s wrong and she says that she didn’t want to talk about it. Spike lowers the shotgun, sits next to her on the porch, pats her on the shoulder cautiously, and then sits there with her silently. This scene really touched me for some reason. Spike was capable of caring.

The whole Spike/Buffybot episode was funny…at least the part where Spike was mock fighting with the bot. “Make your move Slayer!” Spike says as he and the Buffybot maneuvered around each other. Spike’s character was really starting to grow, but I was put-off by how the Scooby gang treated him especially Xander. Xander’s behavior towards Spike really started to get on my nerves. It was clear that Spike was trying to make amendments through action helping them in their little adventures, but they wasn’t giving him a chance at all. Towards the end I really liked and respected Spike. He put up with torture, and didn’t tell Glory anything about the Key, and got his ass beat up on in the process. He did it because he really respected and loved the Slayer.

Buffy in season one seemed so young to be doing what she did. I’ve never met any teenagers in my time that could take on such responsibility, while maintaining a girly-girl outlook on life. In real life this would not be possible, but in the show, Buffy pulls it off well. We got to watch Buffy go from one adventure to another, and she grows each time. Buffy isn’t a hardcore hero. She has a heart and she can be hurt emotionally by people she knows, which makes her very different from other superheroes; she’s real, and very much human. But also she’s a girl-stuff girl. Fancy clothes, fancy shoes, the latest in hairstyles, and in tune with the latest scene, which makes her normal life a perfect secret identity to hide who she really is; A Slayer.

Towards the end of season 5, Buffy’s character moves from the vague area of Slayer to Hero. Buffy is a 1st cla

SPACECOWGIRL

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:38 AM

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
"I died, so many years ago. . ." --Spike

""But you can make me feel like it isn't so..."

At one time, I actually had SMG singing "Going through the Motions" as my cell phone ringer. I was very very obsessed with that show.

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:42 PM

The soundtrack isn't as good as the episode. "Going Through the Motions" just isn't as fun without the sound of a body hitting the ground.

"She's not even half the girl she-- Ow."
*thud*

As for Xander being an asshole to Spike. . . Well, Xander's always had problems with the men in Buffy's life. Remember his feud with Angel?

Xander's had a crush on Buffy since the beginning, and he's a little territorial. Possible he senses the sparkage between Spike and Buffy, and is letting that colour his understandable dislike of the unpredictable and untrustworthy psycho killer.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
What I'm going to do when I get home is watch Buffy again starting from Season 1. I might have missed something. I want to make sure I have things in the proper perspective. I want to watch Buffy grow into the cool person she ended up being in season 5.

*Arm on the upswing, fingers grasping the handle tightly. Aim is taken; visual acuity is relied upon. Downward motion begins, gravity is in use.
The heavy tool concusses on it's mark*

You must see 6 and 7.

I think I'm done hammering that in Chrisisall

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:53 PM

But River! No one is ever dead in a Joss Whedon epic. Besides, yes she died a heroic selfless death - but it was also not a "natural" death and therefore doesn't count.

As a Buffy fan from the beginning, I have to say that I thought the whole "Dawn the Key" was about the point that this show "jumped the shark". I hated this season and everything about it. As a matter of fact, I pretty much stopped watching because of everything that happens. With the exception of the Buffy/Spike thing, I could have missed it and not cared. IMHO Spike is WAY too good for Buffy. Towards the end of the serious I was kind of sick of her. (I didn't much like the way she treated Riley either.) I was happy that she was brought back and that the show got a bit more on track. I was able to get back into watching it again.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I was happy that she was brought back and that the show got a bit more on track. I was able to get back into watching it again.

Many yahrens ago peeps here said that season six was the depressing season; I feel that season five really is.
6 and 7 have nowhere to go but up.

Well, sideways for a bit, then up

Chrisisall, chosen to be a Joss' female dog

RIVER6213

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
IMHO Spike is WAY too good for Buffy. Towards the end of the serious I was kind of sick of her.

*Gasp!* OMG!?!!

River kicks FMF in the kneecaps.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
IMHO Spike is WAY too good for Buffy. Towards the end of the serious I was kind of sick of her.

*Gasp!* OMG!?!!

She doesn't speak for all of us on that particular point...

Chrisisall, down wit da Buffster

RIVER6213

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
What I'm going to do when I get home is watch Buffy again starting from Season 1. I might have missed something. I want to make sure I have things in the proper perspective. I want to watch Buffy grow into the cool person she ended up being in season 5.

*Arm on the upswing, fingers grasping the handle tightly. Aim is taken; visual acuity is relied upon. Downward motion begins, gravity is in use.
The heavy tool concusses on it's mark*

You must see 6 and 7.

I think I'm done hammering that in Chrisisall

I rushed from season 1 to 5 in a very short period of time. If I watch season 6 and 7 too soon, I'll have nothing to look forward to.

Going back and watching 1-5 again will allow me to catch the things I missed the 1st time around.

River

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:17 PM

No
LOL

Seriously. I was very angry at her for the way she treated Riley. ANd then she got all whiny and it just ticked me off. Then of course she USED Spike.

So I was NOT a happy camper for awhile!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I was very angry at her for the way she treated Riley. ANd then she got all whiny and it just ticked me off. Then of course she USED Spike.

Nobody liked Reilly more than me (no closet jokes, please), but Buffy was in pain, FMF! You think being an active slayer leaves much room for day-to-day common sense? She's lucky she could keep her friends!
And later she got dead. That ruins your whole year, know what I mean?

*folds arms in a huff*Chrisisall

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:50 PM

Wah wah wah.

Sorry, she had a NICE guy who was HOT and could help her and wanted to help her she treated him like crap. And THEN when he came back she assumed that he was coming for her!

*snaps fingers in a z*

LOL

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

Sorry, she had a NICE guy who was HOT and could help her and wanted to help her she treated him like crap.

Originally, it's what made me sell all the Buffy I still owned but season 3, that's how much I hated Reilly's leaving.
But I think on some of my friends and their choices, and Buffy's no different. Some broken piece inside her compelled her to make a self-destructive choice, who are we to judge?

Like she's real Chrisisall

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:08 PM

I still say she was a whinya&& baby. But ok, she is dmamaged.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I still say she was a whinya&& baby. But ok, she is dmamaged.

We should all be gorram lucky that Cordellia wasn't the Chosen One!!!!!!!!!

Whiny to a new level Chrisisall

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:14 PM

Yeah now DON'T get me started on the "I had a baby with Angels baby and then go into a coma"thing!

Curse you Joss Wedon! LOL

I LOVED the first season of Angel. I really liked Doyle. What happened to the actor is so sad.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

SERENITYINSCOTLAND

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:52 PM

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Originally, it's what made me sell all the Buffy I still owned but season 3

You sold all your Buffy cos Riley left?!
I did the dance of joy when he left! Adios to Captain Cardboard!

CITIZEN

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
By having everyone colonize New Caprica, and then having the Cylons show up, and its one year later, with Baltar as the new President. It throws the story in a whole new direction.

BSG Season 2 was on Sky One over here which I don't get to watch so often. I caught it at midnight on a couple of Saturdays. This was one of the last ones I saw, and it was quite confusing where the extra battlestar came from, why Apollo was running it, why people were stupid enough to vote for Baltar and why the Cylons weren't killing everyone.

Oh and where the hell did that planet come from?

Luckilly I signed up to Shoutcast TV, which has a 24 hour BSG channel, all the episodes from the mini-series to the end of the second season back to back so I've managed to see it now.

Oh and I guess you know what's up with Dawn now. Needless to say she was the key component of the season.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

EMBERS

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:03 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

But I think on some of my friends and their choices, and Buffy's no different. Some broken piece inside her compelled her to make a self-destructive choice, who are we to judge?

particularly sophmores in college (isn't 'sophomoric' kind of the explanation for all kinds of stupid behavior? LOL)

No, I will always love Buffy:
whiny Buffy
bitchy Buffy
self-destructive depressed Buffy
power mad speechifying Buffy

(of course I like Fray MORE)

PS and the BSG discussion is interesting, but I'm not sure we want to completely high-jack River's thread....

BLUEWIDOW

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:07 PM

I agree with Chrisisall:

You must see 6 and 7. You have no idea how complex and lovely this show is until you've seen the whole thing. You will then find yourself watching it again and again.
Buffy is a bit whiny and I am inclined to agree with those who think Buffy screwed up with the way she treated Riley, but he was a bit of a child himself. Letting vampires suck him.. GYeeshhh... (channelling Xander here)

I have watched this series waaaaaaaaaay too many times...
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Going back and watching 1-5 again will allow me to catch the things I missed the 1st time around.

River
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You will love OMWF... It's a very different buffy. I find myself singing and singing and singing...

I do love Hush and Earshot... Hush is the scariest ep as far as I'm concerned, but I love to talk...

Anyway, until you see Seeing Red and Grave, you have a large hole missing in your life!! And you cannot miss Chosen. or potential... awww, just watch the next two seasons...

"Ow.. mommie... this mortal wound is all itchy..."

blue
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Regarding not caring if certain relatives die. I can relate. And I'm full of emotion and caring. but I had one particular grandmother who was just evil. Now, losing anyone else, that would suck. but when she died, I didn't even consider attending her funeral. Only good thing she did was to have my father and his siblings.

Blue Widow

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:

You sold all your Buffy cos Riley left?!
I did the dance of joy when he left! Adios to Captain Cardboard!

I know where you live, and I can hurt you with my brain!

Riley was a swell guy, and very caring (plus, bonus points for being human), and after season 5, I sold it all- good riddence to bad Buffy!

Then I missed it, and got the Chosen Collection.
Best purchase I made since Dark Angel.
(I don't include FF because it's not a choice, it's a lifestyle

)

Sure'n I'm a fan o' the Riley Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

No, I will always love Buffy:
whiny Buffy
bitchy Buffy
self-destructive depressed Buffy
power mad speechifying Buffy

Most heartily agreed.

Xanderisall

RIVER6213

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

But I think on some of my friends and their choices, and Buffy's no different. Some broken piece inside her compelled her to make a self-destructive choice, who are we to judge?

particularly sophmores in college (isn't 'sophomoric' kind of the explanation for all kinds of stupid behavior? LOL)

No, I will always love Buffy:
whiny Buffy
bitchy Buffy
self-destructive depressed Buffy
power mad speechifying Buffy

(of course I like Fray MORE)

PS and the BSG discussion is interesting, but I'm not sure we want to completely high-jack River's thread....

I don't mind. I accidently hi-jack other people's threads all the time.

The only thing that annoyed me about Buffy in the earlier seasons was how mean she was to Spike. She would always walk into that crypt he lives in without knocking, and the first thing she would do was go straight to him, and punch him in the face, and Spike always just let her do it. I found that very annoying.

Buffy's a hero, and she's saved the world many times over, so she can be whiny, bitchy, or depressed if she wants too. I love her just the same. Joss did a good job creating her. Speaking of Joss, you know, this guy creates characters that really stick to you...its sort of amazing because I know no other writer/director that does that.

I also love Willow. Out of all the characters in BTVS, Willow was the character that was completly different at the end of season 5. She had nothing in common with the Willow from season 1.

Back to the misery of paper work.

River

RIVER6213

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
No
LOL

Seriously. I was very angry at her for the way she treated Riley. ANd then she got all whiny and it just ticked me off. Then of course she USED Spike.

I didnt like Riley all that much, and I was really glad to see him go.

River

RIVER6213

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
Save your fear for when zombie Joyce returns to wreak havoc on Sunnydale.

_________________________________________________

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

Buffy's feeing of loss and helplessness didnt really hit me until she uttered the word "Mommy?" as the shadow of Joyce passed the window and was heading for the front door.

I was soooo gladddd that Dawn tore up that paper that had her mother's name on it before Buffy could open the door!!!!! There was something really creepy about that whole scene.

River

RIVER6213

Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:14 AM

I'm glad that I stopped at season 5 of Buffy. You guys are such a pushy lot. You got to watch stuff, and then wait a bit and let it sink in before you move into the next season. My rushing from season 1 to 5 so fast at the urging of the now evil Chrisisall made me want to go back to season 1 of Buffy. Creeps. Kneecap kicking all around for that.

It is important to have things to look forward to, and I am determined to save seasons 6 through 7 of Buffy for October, which is also just in time for when the 3rd season of Battlestar Galactica ramps up. Also around that time I should start on season 3 of Angel. if I time it all right, I should be quite busy, working through all these seasons and episode of mentioned shows that should carry me through to the next year. And when all that is done I will move on and start watching Dark Angel. Good plan if you ask me.

I'm trying to figure out why I like BTVS so much and I figured out why. Buffy Is Sandra Barger. Buffy is Supergirl. Buffy is Jamie Summers. Same noble characters, but comes with different names. History repeats itself. This crap is seriously starting to get to me.

River

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Buffy Is Sandra Barger. Buffy is Supergirl. Buffy is Jamie Summers. Same noble characters, but comes with different names. History repeats itself. This crap is seriously starting to get to me.

Well, you're in the club!

The Evil Chrisisall

SPACECOWGIRL

Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I didnt like Riley all that much, and I was really glad to see him go.

So were many of us!! I was actually mad at Xander for talking Buffy into chasing after him. Riley had too many hang-ups and jealousies about Buffy's past.

Favorite Riley scene:
Riley~ "I'm not leaving this room. I mean it"
Buffy and Angel leave room. Angel smirks.

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Angel to Buffy~"Oh, and Riley..."
Buffy~"Yeah?"
Angel~"I don't like him."

RIVER6213

Monday, June 19, 2006 4:54 AM

Willow and her snot-nosed band of Scoobies brought Buffy back from heaven where she was happy, content, and loved, and finshed with her mission on earth. Buffy should have killed the whole lot of them when she got back.

I guess I lied and decided to watch season 6 after all. I'm mad as hell.

River

SUZFROMOZ

Monday, June 19, 2006 7:43 AM

There is an episode - cant remeber which one, as its a while since I watched them all, where Willow an dbuffy are walking out of class at college talking about the hunchback of Notre Dame, about how he isnt really good, he has no morals of his own, he just does what he thinks the heroine wants... They are actually having a philosophical discussion, a fact which Willow is thrilled about. Anyway, when things started happening with spike a few episode further on, I realised that was a direct reference to spike. Yes, he is trying to do the right thing, but not because he thinks he should, but because he knows Buffy will think he should. There is a difference. Like the episode where they are helping the injured at the bronze, and he points out he hasnt tried to feed off the injured/dead. Buffy asks if he thinks that deserves a medal - he doesnt get why she doesnt understand that he thinks it should.

Later, well, thats another point entirely, but no spoilers here (I dont know how to do the spoiler thingy)

Quote:
Spike’s character was really starting to grow, but I was put-off by how the Scooby gang treated him especially Xander. Xander’s behavior towards Spike really started to get on my nerves. It was clear that Spike was trying to make amendments through action helping them in their little adventures, but they wasn’t giving him a chance at all. Towards the end I really liked and respected Spike. He put up with torture, and didn’t tell Glory anything about the Key, and got his ass beat up on in the process. He did it because he really respected and loved the Slayer.

RIVER6213

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:58 AM

Season 6 of BTVS is so depressing and dark. It sort of bothers me to see Buffy working at a fastfood joint, and Xander, well I just hate him to death now.

River

22CLAWS

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:56 AM

2002 was one of the most awful years of my life. I was drunk the entire year. All this terrible crap was happening and my one oasis of entertainment was also mostly depressing.

Somewhat better now.
22

RIVER6213

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I remember when I found my mother dead, i didnt act like Buffy at all, with panic, loss and fear. I was glad, but not glad in the joyful fashion. I was glad in the way that one experinces when a toothach goes away. I guess my mother had laid there all night dead and the blood had pooled to the center of her body. She was face down. I looked an touched with curiousity. It was weird but I called the ambulance and then went back to watching the Original BSG since it was airing that day. I guess my older brother and sisters freaked out a little, but that was not my problem. I never loved my mother. She gave me no reason too.

Buffy's relationship with her mother, that watcher and her friends is an alien concept for me. I cannot even begin to understand how people form relationships like that. My relationships with people were always strange. Never like what I see on Buffy. No group could ever be that tight, so I must chock it up to being a fantasy made-for-tv sort of thing.

Out of all my friends and relatives that died from natural causes or suicide, I only got upset once about a death, and that death was a guy friend I knew and talked with from time to time. His name was Bruce and he died in 2004. I think I shed a tear or two for him, and then nothing. I must be like a machine or something. Oh well, next DVD.

River

I sometimes come back to the posts that I write and read them. This one in particular bothers me. What kind of daughter reacts to her mother's death this way? I'm a strange one but I know that I'm not alone.
I guess we are supposed to honor our parents no matter what they do to us. Call me weak, but I guess I couldnt, and never really said that out loud before. She was mean, and no one would give me information. I reacted the way I did to her death because she never taught me to love her. You can't get something from nothing.

I think I shall carry this misplaced guilt in my heart for the rest of my life, but you know something? I think I had every right to be bitter or souless. If someone slaps you around and was cruel to you mentally, physically and emotionally, when they die, its sort of hard to think fuzzy good thoughts about them. I'm so going to hell for this, but I can't help it. She was well-meaning but a very bad human being and because of her I've become very rich, but completely empty and unable to form relationships. I blame her for that and I blame myself for taking it all so seriously.

On one hand I'm a bright, evil person. On another hand I'm so beyond clueless and don't have a bucket to piss in.

River

P.S. How does one make a friend? I have lost that ability. What is a friend? Why do people need friends?

RIVER6213

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 1:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
No
LOL

Seriously. I was very angry at her for the way she treated Riley. ANd then she got all whiny and it just ticked me off. Then of course she USED Spike.

So I was NOT a happy camper for awhile!

No, you are right. She did use Spike. I take my kicking you in the kneecaps back. Spike turned out to be THE hero in the end. Spike's character was better than Angel could ever be. Towards the end I really admired Spike. Spike's sacrifice atoned for all the evil he did. Spike saved the world along with Buffy and all the other people who fought.

Throughout the series there were little things, little indicators of Spike's character. Spike was a true romantic. He liked soap operas, he tried to do the right thing by Buffy through action not just words, and he never backed down from loving Buffy no matter what nasty thing she put him through. Spike was the same guy that he originally was before he got changed into a vampire. A nerdy, romantic guy who only wanted the love of a woman he adored.

My opinion of Spike change radically when an episode flashback showed him trying to express his love for some woman and she said that "he was beneath her." And later on Buffy said that he was beneath her, and Spikes first reaction to that was tears and humiliation just like he experienced years ago before he became a vampire.

Spike went on a journey, and that journey made him a champion. Spike became a man before he died. Spike is one of Joss’s best characters I think.

River

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, July 5, 2006 12:29 PM

River

You have every right to feel the way you feel and to have reacted the way you did.

Yes one should honor ones parents. But, it is possible for parents to lose the right to that honor and respect.

Feel no guilt!

PS: Bruises from kick to kneecap miraculously healed.