Angel, Buffy, or Firefly. Choose only one.

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 19:16
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OPPYH

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:18 PM

Be honest you can't like all Whedon shows the same, so if you were forced to choose only one show to ever watch again, which would it be. I know this may seem like a dumb thread being on a Firefly specific site, but I love surprises, and you may surprise yourself if forced to pick.

Buffy is my favorite by far. If it wasn't for Buffy I never would have even thought twice about Firefly. Do you remeber the old days of Buffy on the WB? remember the magic from week to week? Buffy in my opinion will stand the test of time as a great tv series. Wish I could say the same for Firefly, but no show that lasts around a dozen episodes is ever considered a classic....unfortunate. Firefly is almost like it never happened, a good what if scenario. You have just witnessed a brilliant show that got cancelled. Now what if it didn't(speculate, become sad,move on). Oh well I still have Buffy.

Oh and about Angel. I liked seasons 1,2, and 5.

13

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:20 PM

Might incite some wrath, but:

Angel.

PAYTHEMAN

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:22 PM

Firefly, duh.

DAVESHAYNE

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:24 PM

Firefly.

David

"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de

SILENCE

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:38 PM

Firefly

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UNREGISTEREDCOMPANION

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:44 PM

Firefly.

I tried watching Buffy a couple of times. It was so stupid.

So...yeah..Firefly.

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JWALDRUP

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:54 PM

I love Buffy and Angel, but if I only get one it's gotta be Firefly.

You can't take my toes from me. -- Joss Whedon

KINROEDARKSTONE

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:56 PM

Firefly

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Wash: Closing in.
Zoe: Planet's coming up a might fast.
Wash: That's just 'cause I'm goin' down too quick. Likely crash and kill us all.
Mal: Well, if that happens, let me know.

INDIANABANZAI

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 13:
Might incite some wrath, but:

Angel.

Same here. Angel was better than Buffy IMHO, and had more episodes than Firefly, so there's more to enjoy.

JAHZARA

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:13 AM

I have love for all, and if Buffy had ended earlier, it would be closer, but ultimately...

Firefly.

There's just this sense of family, of belonging, that Buffy lost and Angel almost had. I feel the characters in Firefly, I'm the tenth person at that mess table. Although it is short, by almost every merit, I think its the best show overall.

PENGUIN

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:16 AM

BRANDONLUTZ

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:22 AM

Firefly. I used to follow Buffy closely for a few seasons, then I lost the channell it was programmed on. It was a good show. However, Firefly is just something completely awesome, and it has been a LONG time since a show has captured my attention, imagination, and admiration like Firefly has.

RIVER6213

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:27 AM

I love BTVS and just finished up with season 5, but if I had to pick a favorite, it would be FireFly

River

EVILDINOSAUR

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:44 AM

gotta say buffy, might have been firefly if it had had more episodes.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

RMMC

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:45 AM

Firefly.

Buffy's a very close 2nd, but Firefly is tops.

*****
RMMC

SHADOWJO

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:11 AM

FIREFLY FOR SURE

If there isn't any chocolate in heaven, then I ain't going

SHINYYUKARI

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:21 AM

Firefly...

Buffy is a close second...

"Well next time you be the bait!"~Andy Hurley
"Okay! Everybody not talking about sex, in here. Everybody else, elsewhere."~Wash
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EMBERS

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:39 AM

Firefly is my favorite...

but I would fight anyone who tries to take away my Buffy, I would even object strenuously if you try to take away Angel....

I insist on having all three...
and anything else Joss makes in the future as well.

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DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:22 PM

Firefly (as if there was any question)

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Wash: Only if it's someplace with candlelight.

RIVERSGUY

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:28 PM

You couldn't have asked an easier question, like what is Pi to a hundred decimal spaces!!

I'm gunna have to with, and I think I'm the only one so far, BtVS.

It's what got me hooked on the Whedonverse and without it I doubt I would have got into Angel or Firefly so for that alone Buffy gets my vote.

And I owe it all to Dazedlam for telling me about it too !!! Cheers mate

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:47 PM

Firefly. No doubt.

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ALCON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:52 PM

Gonna have to go with Buffy. I love Firefly, but there's not enough of it and I've already got all the episodes memorized. If there was more it'd be the clear winner, but with seven seasons... yeah, Buffy wins. It's hard to get bored with a show when there are over 100 episodes to watch ;)

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TAMFANIAM

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:06 PM

I caught all of them late...Firefly after it was cancelled (not too hard, it lasting only 1 season & all). Buffy was good, Angel was almost as, but Firefly, even being only 1 season, was far and away the best. The combination of the basic premise, the characters (not to mention a cast that welded together became more solid than titanium), a rhythm of language (both 'Firefly'-speak and Chinese)not found anywhere else; all together just cannot be beat.

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by UnregisteredCompanion:
Firefly.

I tried watching Buffy a couple of times. It was so stupid.

So...yeah..Firefly.

Well, you didn't give Buffy much of a chance then, because clearly you're intelligent enough...It's all metaphores, love.

I appreciate Buffy as much as I obsess on Max, but-

IT MUST BE FIREFLY.

Chrisisall, wannabe Mal, came up Wash

STILLSHINY

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:18 PM

Firefly. no question.

2nd would be Angel

"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

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RUGBUG

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:27 PM

Buffy.

If I had seven seasons of Firefly to obsess over (maybe just two or three would've done the trick) it would've been top...if it had continued to be as brilliant as it was. But you just can't compare 1/2 season to 7.

DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:30 PM

Why is so much emphasis being placed on the length of the series? Maybe Firefly wasn't as long as the others, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a high-quality, well-acted series. Not trying to say anyone's wrong, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

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Wash: Only if it's someplace with candlelight.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Buffy.

If I had seven seasons of Firefly to obsess over (maybe just two or three would've done the trick) it would've been top...if it had continued to be as brilliant as it was. But you just can't compare 1/2 season to 7.

RugBug, I thought about the most personally affecting moment in Buffy (last few minutes of Chosen), and the same of Firefly ("Everybody dies alone." or "Don't tell em what I done; make something up..."), and I'm left with the idea that Firefly was just more 'real' to me, and on that alone, my decision is made.
But Buffy is such a rich tapestry from which to draw , I can easily see your decision...

Joss biotch Chrisisall

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:45 PM

I never did watch much Buffy. I'm sorry, truly sorry, to all the Buffy fans here, but I really, really can't stand Sarah Michelle Gellar. I don't know why she bothers me so much but she does. The one episode I watched all the way through only featured her as an almost side-note. So, having never gotten into Buffy at all, I also never watched Angel. Hearing that he was "Buffy's Vampire boyfriend" really got to me in the first place. I'm sorry, but how soap-opera can you get? The Slayer in love with a Vampire...
I'm sure the writing was good, I'm sure it had some great moments and all that is apparently inherent to a Whedon creation but I just...didn't...care.

To emulate the great and venerable Penguin...

All the way.

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:50 PM

To steal is to show love! Thats my story Penquin and I am sticking to it!

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ZEEK

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:52 PM

hmmmm let's see which dvds never even make it to the shelf....Firefly. Even though it's far fewer episodes, I can watch them over and over. There's just so much there to love.

DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I never did watch much Buffy. I'm sorry, truly sorry, to all the Buffy fans here, but I really, really can't stand Sarah Michelle Gellar. I don't know why she bothers me so much but she does. The one episode I watched all the way through only featured her as an almost side-note. So, having never gotten into Buffy at all, I also never watched Angel. Hearing that he was "Buffy's Vampire boyfriend" really got to me in the first place. I'm sorry, but how soap-opera can you get? The Slayer in love with a Vampire... I'm sure the writing was good, I'm sure it had some great moments and all that is apparently inherent to a Whedon creation but I just...didn't...care.
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I completely sympathize, PR. SMG was one of the things that kept me from watching Buffy when it was on, though I am willing to give it a try (if only to see the episodes with our captain in it

). I never watched Angel either, but I guess I felt like I would have to watch Buffy to really understand it.

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Jayne: You wanna go, little man?
Wash: Only if it's someplace with candlelight.

KAYLEESTHEGREATEST

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:16 PM

firefly

Someday the verse will spit in your soup but at least they gave you soup.
one day
one plan
one mission
one army of browncoats
june 23rd serenity day

-Our mission as browncoats is to make us known.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I never did watch much Buffy. I'm sorry, truly sorry, to all the Buffy fans here, but I really, really can't stand Sarah Michelle Gellar. I don't know why she bothers me so much but she does.

I was no SMG fan, thought she looked too small to be any kind of 'slayer', but I gave it a chance due to all the mental tortures visited upon me by Buffyfans all over this site, and damn if she didn't win me over.
But try as I might, I can't fully get into Angel, so I can understand where you're coming from...

But in the end, IT'S ALL ABOUT FIREFLY.

Under the radar Chrisisall

LONGLOSTBRISTOW

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:25 PM

Buffy.

TRISTAN

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:25 PM

Firefly. Why we still talkin' 'bout this?

I have seen quite a lot of Buffy (unfortunately), all of Angel except the final episode (it's not really over until you see the last episode, right?), and all of Firefly. I did not like Buffy at all. Sarah Michelle Gellar ruined it for me...Allison Hannigan was the only reason I would watch it at all. I really liked Angel, and that made me try to watch more Buffy, but I just couldn't do it...I tried, I really did, just could not enjoy it.
Then came Firefly. Well, Serenity came first for me, but I think you know what I mean. Firefly turned me into a Browncoat. I have never before joined an online community dedicated to anything, let alone a tv show...it changed the way I think, talk, and sometimes act. So, yes, Firefly has my vote.

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LONGLOSTBRISTOW

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:28 PM

An interesting tidbit:

Nathan Fillion auditioned for the part of Angel way back in the day. That came straight from him when I had him sign my Buffy/Angel poster at Moonlight Rising.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:

I have seen quite a lot of Buffy (unfortunately),

Poor Buffy, not feelin' the love on this thread...

Chrisisall

ALCON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:36 PM

I was really reluctant to get into Buffy to at first. The whole concept... some of the stuff that I'd heard (that it was very soap operay). It struck me as a very silly silly show. But what it came down to was this: it's Joss Whedon, how bad can it be? It's another creation of Joss. So I gave it a chance. I started with season 1 and told myself I'd watch through season 2. If I really didn't like it by then I'd give up. ...and I fell in love with the show and its characters.

All the things that people say about the show... well they're true. It is very soap operay at times... it is very silly at times. But it is also Joss Whedon. Which means that the individual actors don't have to be stellar. The writing is amazing and just like Firefly (though not quite as well) they welded together into a strong cast, shoring up each others weaknesses. And to be honest... Gellar grew on me. There's more there than people give her credit for.

So in short, yeah, if Firefly had gone longer it'd probably beat Buffy, but then again, part of the reason some people don't like Buffy is becuase there were a few rough seasons in there... maybe if Firefly had gone longer it'd have some of the same problems as Buffy. But for me right now... I've watched the Firefly episodes more times than I can count converting new folks. I've got em all memorized beyond memorization (I can quote many of them start to end in the way I used to do Monty Python episodes). And frankly... I'm kinda bored with the episodes that exist. Were there more I'd gobble them up in an instant... but there's not. So Buffy takes the cake for me. There's simply too much there for me to memorize like that, so I can keep rewatching it and getting the pleasure of watching it for the first time... almost.. becuase I've forgotten what happened since I last watched it.

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Now far ahead the road has gone,
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DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by longlostbristow:
An interesting tidbit:

Nathan Fillion auditioned for the part of Angel way back in the day. That came straight from him when I had him sign my Buffy/Angel poster at Moonlight Rising.

I love David and all, but our captain as a sexy vapmire...

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Jayne: You wanna go, little man?
Wash: Only if it's someplace with candlelight.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Alcon:
I've watched the Firefly episodes more times than I can count converting new folks. I've got em all memorized beyond memorization (I can quote many of them start to end in the way I used to do Monty Python episodes).

Buffy's gonna be like that for me soon...

Lots of memory Chrisisall

MSG

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:51 PM

Love Buffy and no disrespect to her, but FIREFLY all the way. I agree with Chrisisall that Firefly is just more real to me. Luckily we never ever have to make such a hard choice. We can have them all!!!

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

RIVERGIRL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:07 PM

for me its FIREFLY
never saw Angel and only a handful of Buffy ((seems there was a character--Caleb!!))

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:10 PM

I love them all, but have to go with Firefly.

Mind you, that's probably because it's what I need to see right now. I'm not a teenager anymore, or even a young adult. I need to see what Joss has to say about being a middling-aged adult, about being married, about having kids, and about being an ordinary person in a universe with infuriating bureaucracy on one side and scary chaos on the other.

Gorram it, I need to see how Zoe and Wash would've handled their jobs, their marriage, and a kid all at the same time. I need to see how Mal would've handled being competent but not particularly special in a universe pretty much indifferent to his success or failure. I even need to see how Simon would've handled just not being able to do the work he most wanted to do.

Now I'm getting all worked up again... I'm kinda embarrassed about just how obsessed I am.

Indigo S.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
I'm kinda embarrassed about just how obsessed I am.

You should be.

Excuse me, I have a real life.
I need to finish painting my Leggo Serenity.

Chrisisall

SWEETSERENDIPITY

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:33 PM

Need I say more?

Deb

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22CLAWS

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:00 PM

Buffy.
Firefly may be a better show, and, I hope there will be more, but Buffy is my hero.

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WTE

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:05 PM

Buffy, no contest. It's completely unfair to Firefly, because I was watching Buffy as it aired when I was in the second grade (heh, my parents didn't know I was watching it; hence, my watching it), and it was the first show I ever got attached to, at least while it was still on the air. I stopped watching mid-fifth season, I just couldn't stand Dawn, but I'd pick Buffy if only for the first three seasons.

I don't know if I'd go for Angel or Firefly after that, though. Angel has a lot of the memories that Buffy does (since I watched that right from the beginning), but Firefly is just damn fine television.

HONKS

CAPTURE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:16 AM

I could not hate buffy more (sorry Joss).

Firefly is the best sci-fi show ever created and Fox really F*ed up canceling it!

SERENITYGREY

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:48 AM

i love everything Joss does (though i'm still cross with him about the last episode of Angel) but you can't take my Firefly from me.

Go read my fanfic series "Puppy Love." i'm a comment glutton.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:00 AM

Much like Zoe said to Niska before he had a chance to finish...

I'll take Firefly. I'm sorry, was there something else you wanted to ask me ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SOULQUAKE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:46 AM

Firefly

It was the first of Joss Whedon's stuff that I saw :) Next would be Angel, then Buffy. Although, while I liked the Buffy series, I couldn't stand Buffy herself :p

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RUXTON

Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:28 AM

Buffy definitely, without hesitation. The length, the subtleties, the nuances, the freshness, the success. The overall outstanding acting. Etc.

I suspect those who watched them all right from the beginning, as I did, would better apprciate Buffy and its place in TV history.

I wonder how anyone can choose to watch only a dozen episodes OVER AND OVER AND OVER when you might truly enjoy the freshness of 140 or so Buffy shows. I like them all, but jeez.

MISSTRESSAHARA

Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:49 AM

Phoenixrose wrote:

Quote:
I never did watch much Buffy. I'm sorry, truly sorry, to all the Buffy fans here, but I really, really can't stand Sarah Michelle Gellar. I don't know why she bothers me so much but she does.

Tristan wrote:

Quote:
I did not like Buffy at all. Sarah Michelle Gellar ruined it for me. I really liked Angel, and that made me try to watch more Buffy, but I just couldn't do it...I tried, I really did, just could not enjoy it.

Capture wrote:

Quote:
I could not hate buffy more (sorry Joss).

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Thank God I thought I was one of the rare few who hated Buffy, I'm not alone *sob* makes me feel better.

Now Chrisisll before you winge at me keep in mind I gave it a chance truly, but there was ther aformentioned problem called SMG, just something about her I CANNOT stand. I wish those vampires would just.... ok maybe unfair of me to say but really, watching her on screen even more than a moment is like sharp nails on a chalkboard.

But funilly enough it isn't just her, I really have a problem with most of the cast. Maybe I got used to the fantastic ensemble on another show but they came across as un-real, plain, dull, and annoying. (getting ready to fend off the villagers and the flaming torches) After a few episodes well, I was ready to do some heavy damage myself.

Now for those who need to laugh at me or have some ammunition here's my confession. I liked the movie. Yes the movie. I never knew when it came out it was by Joss or who he was, I know it didn't do well in the theatres but I liked it. It was camp and maybe the acting was a little off but... *meh* it was fun for me. And the actress playing Buffy was someone I liked. If maybe they'd picked her or another actress.... but I'm not here to bash SMG (saying this after SMG bits are lying everywhere

) You wanted to know my answer.... I'll say it's the show that got me onto the wonder that is Whedon and ruin everything else out there for me.

***********FIREFLY ALL THE WAY BABY.***********

Wish I can use one of those Firefly icons, it'd be shiny right now.

Now for second I'll say Angel (shockers after her confession) I've been catching the odd episode here and there on Space (not in order wouldn't you know) and though it can be dark and Angel is a little too serious at times (annoyingly so) and the guy who plays him is not attractive to me (talk about a pudgy vampire. Too many nights at the Blood Bars) I like the ensemble, and there is Joss's whitty oneliners and inside jokes and Spikes becoming a favorite of mine. I'm sorry I havn't seen things from the beggining and maybe Space will play them in order earlier in the day (3:00 am is a very late time) so I can watch it from the start, but when the SMG episodes come on I'll have to grit my teeth and bear with it. Frankly I don't see what the hell... ok, bashing again, sorry.

One more thing, the thing that helps make this the easy choise, I'd rather spend my time on a shiny (if slightly dirty) spaceship then a vampire infested town. Might be the odd Reaver and Alliance patrol come by, but at least we can outrun em' (with help of a converted coffee can and a pilot that can perform a Crazy Ivan)

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:54 AM

Hey, I liked the movie too!!!
Whew, like you, I'm glad I'm not the only one!

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RIVER6213

Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:29 AM

Making us choose like this makes me want to gut you.

River

MISSTRESSAHARA

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Making us choose like this makes me want to gut you.

River

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Reaver anybody?

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

MAGDALENE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:43 AM

This is so wrong... making us chose and all - but...

(and I never thought I'd say this ...sorry Willow, sorry Xander... sorry Buffy and Angel and Fred and Wesley...)

BUT - Firefly! Now if you'd told me that I'd vote anything above Buffy/Angel 1 month ago I'd have ripped your still beating heart out of your body and stomped on it for insulting me and my favourite shows so badly!

Just goes to show you how much of an impact Firefly has had in my 'Verse!

Love - Magdalene x x

"I love my captain!"

SHELMA32

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:44 AM

I have to deffinately choose firefly!!

Its the only show i can watch over and over again without it feeling old.

ANNIE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:47 AM

Firefly - don't even have to think about it. I was a fan of Angel and Buffy, but given the choice, it's definitely the BDHs.

Sex and violence on the big screen, where it belongs.

SCRUFFYHANSOLO

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:54 AM

i would take the 1 season of firefly over all the buffy and angel seasons combined

))<>((

BOB30

Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:36 AM

Firefly, without question.

I'll be in my bunk....

BOB30

Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:38 AM

Firefly, without question.

I'll be in my bunk....

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:14 PM

I am currently watching Buffy from the beginning.
I intend to watch Angel ( and Dark Angel, but that's another thing...) afterwards.

And so far I like Buffy I really do.. the writing, the ensemble, and although I've never been a big SMG fan... she DOES grow on you.
It's Jossy!

But I don't love Buffy.. I love Firefly.
And I don't want to go live with Buffy....yet
I'd fly on Serenity if I could.

It doesn't matter if there's less.. it's home.

So... yea... Firefly

"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal

PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:22 PM

Well said FollowMal. Well said.

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SUZFROMOZ

Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:34 PM

I am a huge buffy fan - I own every episode on DVD, and I had them all taped off the TV before it came out on DVD. (Angel too BTW) However, for quality of acting, character developemtn, the bond I instantly felt after watching one episode.... I have to say firefly. And the fact that I am taking into account the few episodes etc makes it mean even more. I never joined a forum for buffy.....

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:

Now Chrisisll before you winge at me keep in mind I gave it a chance truly, but there was ther aformentioned problem called SMG, just something about her I CANNOT stand.

*Chrisisall's eyes narrow as he glances at Mistressahara*

Chrisisall, fan of great dialogue and pop-culture references*

MICJWELCH

Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:50 PM

Honestly, part of the reason I was hesitant to see Serenity was the "From the Creator of Buffy and Angel" thing. Yeah, that's what I said. Sorry. My wife loves those shows, but I thought they were aweful. Thank goodness one of my friends told me how wrong I was about Serenity. Then I watched the series, and I was hooked. I have a new found respect for Joss Whedon. (Course, the fact that he wrote the script for Toy Story helps too.)

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."

NIRWIN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:01 PM

Firefly

With Angel being a moderately close second, and buffy being a very distant third.

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ZORPRIME01

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:32 PM

This is a really tough call, but I'll go with Firefly simply because I feel like there isn't any dead weight to it - I thought every episode was a masterpiece, as short a series as it was.

I haven't seen that much Buffy and am only now getting into it, but I'veseen all of the Angel series and I really really love it, so this was a tough call. Angel has a lot of great episodes but also some not-so-good ones. If we were narrowing it down to just the great Angel eps I might very well pick it over Firefly.

"If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak."

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Why is so much emphasis being placed on the length of the series? Maybe Firefly wasn't as long as the others, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a high-quality, well-acted series.

deepgirl: that also doesn't change the fact that Buffy was a high-quality, well-acted series as well. Both were ground-breaking, with the reverberations of Buffy still being felt today. Most of the shows with strong women kicking arse had a chance to succeed because Buffy paved the way. Firefly broke ground, but it never reached the audience of Buffy. It just didn't have the chance to. It also didn't have the chance to go through growing pains.

There's seven seasons of Buffy. Yes, some of it sucked (Go Fish was pretty lame, but still had some charm). Some of it was brilliant (Hush, The Body, Once More with Feeling). And most of it was very good. Firefly was Very Good. It never sucked, but it also didn't have a chance to be brilliant. Give it 6 1/2 more years and it invariably would've sucked ocassionally, been very good most of the time and been brilliant once in a while.

Now, if we were going to compare based on first seasons alone...Buffy would come after Firefly AND Angel. Buffy's first season was similar in length to Firefly: It was 12 eps long. To compare it with Firefly would be ridiculous. Firefly blows it out of the water. But Firefly was also built on Mutant Enemy's wealth of experience from Buffy and Angel. ME honed it skills on the other two and came out of the gate stronger for Firefly, thus a fantastic 14 episodes. It stands to reason that its first season would be better (if ME had learned anything), but had it continued, it would've experienced the same problems that most other series face.

So, in that sense, length does matter.

DIRTWEED

Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:51 PM

Tried watching Buffy and Angel several times. Just wasn't my thing.

Firefly. Actually when my friend was going to show me my first ep of Firefly he told me it was by the guy that did Buffy....I refused to watch it. He tossed it in anyway....glad I decided to stick around!

Dirtweed

TAYEATRA

Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:29 PM

I think I might just quote all of Rugbug

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
deepgirl: that also doesn't change the fact that Buffy was a high-quality, well-acted series as well. Both were ground-breaking, with the reverberations of Buffy still being felt today. Most of the shows with strong women kicking arse had a chance to succeed because Buffy paved the way. Firefly broke ground, but it never reached the audience of Buffy. It just didn't have the chance to. It also didn't have the chance to go through growing pains.

There's seven seasons of Buffy. Yes, some of it sucked (Go Fish was pretty lame, but still had some charm). Some of it was brilliant (Hush, The Body, Once More with Feeling). And most of it was very good. Firefly was Very Good. It never sucked, but it also didn't have a chance to be brilliant. Give it 6 1/2 more years and it invariably would've sucked ocassionally, been very good most of the time and been brilliant once in a while.

Now, if we were going to compare based on first seasons alone...Buffy would come after Firefly AND Angel. Buffy's first season was similar in length to Firefly: It was 12 eps long. To compare it with Firefly would be ridiculous. Firefly blows it out of the water. But Firefly was also built on Mutant Enemy's wealth of experience from Buffy and Angel. ME honed it skills on the other two and came out of the gate stronger for Firefly, thus a fantastic 14 episodes. It stands to reason that its first season would be better (if ME had learned anything), but had it continued, it would've experienced the same problems that most other series face.

So, in that sense, length does matter.

With one exception. I really do think that Firefly already achieved brilliance, consistently.

Still, as much as it would break my heart to lose Firefly, I would pick Buffy.

For the record... I hate SMG after about mid-season 3.

*****
Taya
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I'm going to S3!!!
(*Insert hysterical celebration dance here*)

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:58 PM

LOL! Thanks, Chrisisall :)

Indigo S.

MONKSDAD

Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:08 PM

i never saw buffy or angel before i got the dvd's for firefly. after seeing all of firefly (watched a couple eps when it originally aired) i borrowed buffy dvd's and i just cant get into it. i like the movie with dylan mckay (luke perry) but the show just doesnt do it for me... so FIREFLY without a doubt is my pick

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

RUXTON

Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:41 PM

RugBug,, very well stated. Without Buffy there COULD NOT HAVE BEEN Firefly.

Unfortunately, most forum members on this thread seem to have not had the joy of watching Buffy/Mutant Enemy/Joss Whedon stretch and grow. As you noted, and as I tried to note above, Buffy was the FIRST show of its kind and many copycats came after it, in many genres, including cop shows. The observant could see that Joss/Buffy was being ripped off all along the way. Stolen ideas, stolen themes, even stoled phrases popped up all over TV, only AFTER Buffy aired. It was one of the very few truly ground-breaking TV series ever, and to my mind the very finest.

And of course I fell totally in love with SMG right from the very first second my aging eyes fell on her, at the very first time she appeared as Buffy, the very first time it was aired.

Without seven seasons of Buffy there would be no Firefly, no Serenity, and this forum would not exist. Newcomers don't/can't understand this, and so cannot give due credit.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
It was one of the very few truly ground-breaking TV series ever, and to my mind the very finest.

Newcomers don't/can't understand this, and so cannot give due credit.

I was a dumass never to have watched it when it was first broadcast.
But that's not an isolated incident.

I guess Brisco's cancellation had a lasting effect on me....

Late to all parties Chrisisall

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
Without seven seasons of Buffy there would be no Firefly, no Serenity, and this forum would not exist. Newcomers don't/can't understand this, and so cannot give due credit.

Maybe us newcomers haven't been Whedon fans as long, but is it really fair to say that we don't understand and cannot give due credit? Yes, I will agree that Joss had to grow and change as a writer to create Firefly, and that process included creating Buffy and Angel. I see Firefly as superior for my own reasons, just like you see Buffy as superior for yours. I understand just fine, thank you, and all of us "newcomers" are entitled to our own opinions.

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INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:04 PM

Hmm... this brings up an interesting point. Is Buffy better for being more ground-breaking, or is Firefly better in an absolute sense, having had after all the benefit of Buffy's shoulders to stand on?

It's sort of like arguing over whether Newton or Einstein was the better physicist.

Nope, can't do it. I don't have an objective argument that works for me, one way or another. I can only reiterate again that, for me, right now, Firefly is the one for me.

Indigo S.

DIRTWEED

Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
Without seven seasons of Buffy there would be no Firefly, no Serenity, and this forum would not exist. Newcomers don't/can't understand this, and so cannot give due credit.

Well you can't quite lump everyone into that category. I totally understand that Buffy had to be a hit for Whedon to keep working and not end up as a greeter at Walmart.

It's just that not everyone liked Buffy and/or Angel. I for one am glad he switched gears a bit.

:D

Dirtweed

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dirtweed:

It's just that not everyone liked Buffy and/or Angel. I for one am glad he switched gears a bit.

Dirtweed,

You don't have to like Buffy or Angel to recognize that Firefly would not be what it is without them.

I don't have a problem with people liking Firefly better. And as an introduction into the Whedonverse, it's a hell of a good one, which probably also makes it harder to see the genius in Buffy or Angel. It's like falling in love with "American Idiot" by Green Day, if you will, and then going back and listening to "1,039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours." It's still recognizably the same band, but if you're used to the maturity in American Idiot, you won't be as pleased with 1039. If you were a fan of 1039 to begin with, American Idiot is just that much better, without necessarily eclipsing its predecessor. (sidenote: you may just hate Green Day, but it was the first band that came to mind.

) I'm sure Firefly has the same kind of effect when some browncoats try out Buffy, especially season 1.

XENOPROBE

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:08 PM

Yep... Buffy it is folks.

Having said that, Firefly managed to capture my heart with the same fanaticism in 13 episodes that the first few seasons of Buffy did, but I NEVER tire of BtVS. (Not that I ever tire of Firefly...)

The summer before last I was unemployed and my best friend and I watched Buffy, start to finish, so many times through that we had to get creative about it. We bought markers and sparkles and such and wrote out every episode title on little slips of paper. We decorated an old wooden box and deposited all the titles in it. That way, we could 'draw' a title to watch, just to shake it up a bit!

I find I can only watch Firefly all the way through about 4 times before I just get so mad and upset about its cancellation that I have to take a break for a spell.

Angel, though high-calibre, didn't capture methe way Buffy and Firefly did... though I love Angel thoroughly too. So, I have to go with the Buff in the end :)

Ching-wah TSAO duh liou mahng. Shiny.

RMMC

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

I am currently watching Buffy from the beginning.
I intend to watch Angel ( and Dark Angel, but that's another thing...) afterwards.

FM? You should really consider watching Buffy and Angel together as there are eps with story lines that lead from one show to the other. It's not unwatchable separately, but it runs much smoother that way. This happened because the shows were run back-to-back on the same night and network.

This goes begining in S4 of Buffy to S1 of Angel. The eps that 'spill over' are:

B: Harsh Light of day
A: In the Dark

A: Batchelor Party
B: Pangs
A: I Will Remember You

B: This Year's Girl/Who Are You?
A: Five by Five/Sanctuary
B: New Moon Rising

The next season isn't as interwoven.

B: Fool for Love
A: Darla

B: The Gift
A: There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb (And don't forget to look for Joss in this one. No, Really!)

After that, it really didn't overlap as Bufffy moved to UPN and Angel stayed on WB.

Happy Viewing!!

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RMMC

RUXTON

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:56 AM

Deepgirl187 said,
"...is it really fair to say that we don't understand and cannot give due credit?"

Is it really fair for you to have an opinion on a fabulous sunrise you didn't see, except in reruns? To experience all of Whedon/Buffy/Angel as it unfolded is to have seen that sunrise; and not have to be told to look at the sky.

It is impossible to understand fully, to truly comprehend, if you weren't along for the ride.

Again, RugBug said it well, to the effect that if you see a Van Gogh or Picasso or Ansel Adams stemming from their full-blown maturation as artists, you cannot fully appreciate their earlier ground-breaking work, and perhaps won't even like it. But if you went along with them for the ride, watched it happen, appreciated what was there right from the first (or followed the Rolling Stones from their earliest days), you can only then appreciate what they became. The genius was there right from the start, if you had an eye to see it.

RIVER6213

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:02 AM

River stakes Deepgirl187 without fanfare. Chops her into really small bits and put her into a mustard container, and mails her off to China where she will be consumed by a dog named Binky.

ZOID

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:14 AM

Firefly.

...For all the reasons listed by other dislikers of BtVS and AtS.

...And for the (as usual) inflammatory and insulting Ruxton: I don't see Buffy as 'the dawning of a new era'. I see it as the deepest darkness before the dawn that is Firefly. I don't see Buffy as early Stones; I see it as a pimply-faced kid trying to figure out which end of the guitar to hold in his bedroom. Firefly is that same kid who finally flashes with the spirit of Music and gets his big breakthrough.

...Unfortunately for us Firefly fans, the kid's name happens to be Randy Rhodes...

So whilst Ruxton denigrates people who have no taste for teenaged angst and/or cuddly vampire shenanigans as 'newcomers', I will simply say that Firefly was perfectly mature in every sense of that phrase, and as a consequence, that it is the hands-down winner as far as I'm concerned.

There wasn't any competition, Joss-written or otherwise. Firefly is the best television ever aired.

The fact that F*x still don't recognize their error shows that Art is a stranger to them, and unwelcome in their house. Like, they'd sell the Mona Lisa in a garage sale for a buck-fifty, 'cause she's a homely fat chick with a bad smile. Nope, F*x is more of a fake blonde-with-streaks, boob job and oversized gleeming toothy smile kind of a network. They've got no eye for real Beauty, and no concept whatsoever of Soul...

Appreciatively,

zoid

P.S.
I like dogs. I don't like 'em so much as puppies; that's a great playful time for my kids, but they're not much actual use. Now, once they've gone through their growing pains and turned into mature dogs, smart and responsive, that's when they're special, golden. Same thing with Joss' work to date.
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