Male and Female Imponderables--the Eighth (?)

POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Saturday, June 24, 2006 05:26
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SERYN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:48 PM

Er, what was i going to say? Oh, circumcision (sp?) from way back. Its not done in Britain as standard, so outside of Jewish and similar communities, hoodies are the norm (er, ok, that euphemism adds a whole new dimension to the 'Hoods off to beat crime' slogan) I've never been with a circimsised man, no one I know has, so I think what i'm saying is the average jo(ette) in Britain, can't really give a comparison.
I would never have my child chopped, at any age - in these kind of situations I'm always in a 'leave it as nature and evolution and whatever intended, its obviously meant to be there. I think most women i know are of the same opinion. And as for the guys I know? Ask that question out loud and it'd be like someone was about to take a panalty shot all of a sudden.

ELOISA! You me, i'm changing my ticket, flying to wherever you are and you and me are going out on the pull. now!

or the slightly less expensive option would be buying it.

Girls, how would you feel about paying for sex?
Guys, how would you feel about girls who payed for sex?

Er, photos. These are all on my myspace, but for ease of whatever -

Shiny shiny hair and bright pink cheeks.
And I don't know If I have great legs, but I have ok feet. I hope.

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:53 PM

Wow, Seryn, great picture! Another lovely FFF lady!

Pay for sex? ick. Nope. Couldn't do it. Need the personal connection, ya know?

Nighty-night kiddies. I can see I'm going to be catching for a good hour tomorrow morning, the way this thread is going!

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:53 PM

Hey, Seryn!
I have loved those pictures since you put them up on myspace! Beautiful, sorta-mischevious grin ya got going there...and yes, pretty, pretty feet!

Um...why would a woman ever have to pay for sex?!? A man, I could see, but a woman...nope, it's not really forming in my mind...

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RUGBUG

Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Wow! The beautiful women abound! Rugbug, you're totally a CA babe!

Were we really that bad with the smut? I'm generally shy about sex-talk... okay, less than I used to be. Guess we got a little gutter. But it was FUN!

Ah, thanks!

Just what a girl needs when she is being ignored by the menfolk in her hometown. Positive reinforcement.

And no, you guys aren't all gutter-y. It's just that I am not quite so free as the rest of you.

And I'm at work. Iffen I were at home, you might see a different side. Alas, I have no internet access at home. Don't even have a 'puter. I may just be the last person in America without one. Oh, I don't have a cell phone either. Welcome to the dark ages!

Tristan, yes, the horse is mine. He's the one that helped break my arm. Well, in reality, it was being launched into heck and gone, the force of gravity and then smacking down on the ground that did the breaking. But the ponio certainly didn't help.

Mal4Prez...love the hockey shots! You're lucky to have ice rinks in your parts. I would play hockey if it were available.

SERYN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:09 PM

I don't know why, but there's an increasing number of women in this counrty -yuppy busy types who are deliberatly not getting romantically involved and instead going to male escorts to have their, ahem, needs seen too. they say it works for them.

It struck me as the ideal way to learn a bit about yourself and what you like with out having to go through dating or even just stud selection and all the mental trauma that comes with.

But I still couldn't do it. Nope, cannot see myself ever doing that.

Thank you! And my feet are pretty?...

I vote that the next thread should be 'male and Female Imponderables - come on! Keep up!'

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

SERYN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:09 PM

move alnong...

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:10 PM

RugBug, ah-hah! I remember you telling that story; was just wondering if that horse was the culprit. Thank you for clearing that up!

No internet access? No computer? How do you live? I'm just glad we get to have you here every now and then.

Serym yes, you have pretty feet!
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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:41 PM

Lost y'all there for a moment. Definately your feet are pretty. (I'm a foot guy. Actually I'm an everything guy. Everything but the kitchen sink. Okay, maybe the kitchen sink too. Why did I use parenthases?) They got boy whores too? I'm in the wrong country. Might have to open shop in nvghostrider funland. Again with the manwhoring. Somebody help me!!!!11

Mal: Bwah.

ELOISA

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:45 PM

Seryn, you look very like a crazy-happy Northern Irish girl i used to know - very cute and as outgoing-seeming as Kaylee, and I love the hair. Seeing as I'm in London and I think you're in the North, it would probably cost us more than it would to get to the average European country to get together...

Rugbug - yep, you're gorgeous. Good luck with your idiotic male neighbours.

Did we kill the board, BTW? I couldn't connect for the past five or ten minutes...

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SERYN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:46 PM

Its quite funny, i got loads of messages from a guy the other day on myspace (I usually give them atleast two chances to say something interesting) and he seemed reasonably amusing. Anyway ever message it seemed like he was hinting at something. I finally get around to checking out his page, and he's a member of a bout four foot fetishists groups! Ok, maybe not such a good idea to have that pic up on myspace.

I was idly trying to take a photo of the two picture (pretty ain't they) and it just didn't occure to me to lower my feet until the second attempt. I thought it was mildly amusing.

To certain parties on the web, its very classy porn.

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:58 PM

Wow, not to say that is bad. But wow. Hope I didn't give you much of the creeps. Besides, like I said, I like everything about a woman. Not to sound like a stalker or anything, I like to see a woman when she is at her most natural. Reading a book, cooking, working on something. To see a woman candidly just being herself is just... whimsical. Also, I had a crush on two teachers growing up so seeing a woman in charge and teaching is amazing. Really want to date an elementary school teacher. Love the idea of fingerpainting with a snack and naptime afterwards.

Mal: Bwah.

SERYN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:07 PM

Ha, its funny you should say that!

I had an embarresing moment the other day, I was trying to work out a dress pattern in miniature and when i'm working i generally don't pay attention to anyone else, but one of my workmates is labelling stuff next to me, and kept laughing. Apparently I make these funny little mewing noises when i'm concentrating on something and i make a mistake or what ever.

She said it was like a cross between a sigh and a miow! So boy was my face red.

So no offence NVG, but don't watch me work, or at least don't laugh at the mewing, or you'll get things thrown at you.

(only soft, non painful things, but thrown nontheless)

Oh, you didn't give me the creeps don't worry. To be honest, this guy didn't much until his last comment, and i'm still not sure if i'm actually creeped out by it, or very flattered. But he was funny, liked pirates and lived a long way away, so it was a fun half hours conversation.

I like men feet as well, having done all the life drawing stuff, i found myself focusing more and more on hands a nd feet. I just think they are pretty. All scultural. And they stop you from falling over, which is useful.

Oh and hey! Stop picking on Nates GF! She's pretty enough (but you'r still prettier FMF!) and NF obviously likes her (and knowing what we do about him don't we trust his taste by now?) so yes I'm not particularly fond of her for for nabbing Nathan, and depriving us all of our dreams, but other than that she looks perfectly lovely! Bitch. ()

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Eloisa:
Even when I was 21 and had the approximate vital stats of an underwear model, men just never found me attractive, and I never had the knack of picking them up. Maybe if you don't get that knack when you're in your late teens you never get it. Not sure.

Eloisa, I meant to reply long while back to this with a whole-hearted I AGREE!

I've never had the stats of an underwear model, but I do relate to the 'men just never find me attractive' and I am certainly knackless.

(well, they might find me attractive, but it rarely leads anywhere due to my inept social skills).

But after watching all my friends get married and be less happy than me, I'm not too sure that's such a bad thing.

If only I could be okay with casual sex...life would be perfect.

Tristan, you gotta stop talking about getting old. I think we're just about the same age and I.Am.Not.Old.

And I think I killed the board. It seems to go out when I'm editing.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:19 PM

Soft mewing huh? I must say that is incredibly adorable. Had to say it. I'm sure everyone will agree. Damn thats cute!

Mal: Bwah.

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:26 PM

Seryn: I had a roomie that would "Mmmmm" when she ate. It was never really a conscious noise as it was never followed up by a "wow, this is really good borscht" (or whatever :shrug:). It was almost an involuntary utterance. Cracked me up.

And I am hanging my head in shame for dissing on NF's girl. I'm sure she's perfectly nice. I just don't find her remotely attractive...that's all.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:42 PM

I must apologize also. He has to be respectd for his desicions. I'm just saying that FMF needs to be "strategically placed" to lay the mack down. At least a hand shake with the opportunity to grope. Something gorramit! Sorry, end of the day.

Mal: Bwah.

ELOISA

Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Eloisa, I meant to reply long while back to this with a whole-hearted I AGREE! I've never had the stats of an underwear model, but I do relate to the 'men just never find me attractive' and I am certainly knackless. (well, they might find me attractive, but it rarely leads anywhere due to my inept social skills).

But after watching all my friends get married and be less happy than me, I'm not too sure that's such a bad thing. If only I could be okay with casual sex...life would be perfect.

Tristan, you gotta stop talking about getting old. I think we're just about the same age and I.Am.Not.Old.

And I think I killed the board. It seems to go out when I'm editing.

Inept socialness is an absolute pest. I'll say things online that I never would IRL (OK, I'll say things at all online and I take a couple of hours to start talking in any RL social situation; if it's a one-off like a party, that normally means just about when it's finishing). I feel sometimes it's like everyone else is talking in a language I've never heard before and I'm trying to keep up.

The whole getting old thing is something I've been fretting about lately. I just turned 26 and I've been feeling like I'm ageing for the past couple of years. Mid-twenties crisis. I heard it was worse for men than women - something to do with the whole earlier peak thingy. If so, I'm glad I'm not a bloke.

(I bet it was me rather than you who crashed it, BTW. Either that or you've picked up my poltergeist. She likes breaking things - lightbulbs, windows, computer monitors, my brother's X-box, etc.)

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TRISTAN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 PM

RugBug, it is a known fact that women do not age unless they want to...men, on the other hand, have no choice!

I am sure that if NF actually met his future Mrs., he would wholeheartedly agree with us!

I took some pictures, I'll try to be uploadin' 'em in a bit...

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TRISTAN

Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:30 PM

Alright, I'm gonna give this a shot...I'll post one in here, and the rest will be in photobucket. I'll give the link and a viewing password...let's see how this works...

-EDIT-
Shiny! It worked!
This is the link to the rest of them:
http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h250/tristan71/Random%20Photos/

Use the password "coffeecup" to view them. The photos of me are in the Random Photos folder.
There are a few albums in there of non-related stuff, and icons if y'all want.

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KPO

Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Okay, I have experimented with opening a photobucket account. Man - do they want a lot of info! I hope it works... The only pictures I have of me at work are from hockey. Ha!

I'm in orange:

And I'll share this one just cause my butt looks fabulous in hockey pants (I'm the non-goalie):

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

Hehe. Reminding me of the "Is he ok?!?!" anecdote

TRISTAN

Friday, June 16, 2006 1:04 PM

Morning, all!
Either FFF has been having problems, or it was really dead last night...
Hope to see some of you in here today!

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, June 16, 2006 1:05 PM

OK peeps

HELP! Why do men refuse to take "No thank you" for an answer?

I made the mistake if making my profile searchable and the SAME men keep emailing me.

Help! Help!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

MAL4PREZ

Friday, June 16, 2006 1:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Hehe. Reminding me of the "Is he ok?!?!" anecdote

You remember that? Yay! Someone besides me thought it was funny!!

Yeah - the site has issues Tristan! I've come up with a theory on how to deal with it - I'm going to finally get around to giving Haken some $$$! This site is worth it!

Maybe there should be thread encouraging this for the newbies? I'll start one, but have to give a little talk in a few so it'll be a while...

Oh, and Good Morning all! And also - thanks for the love yesterday. I am myself again today!

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 16, 2006 2:44 PM

No, it was dead. I wasn't here.
I went out and met people instead! Ok, well, a person. Seriously stayed at my coffeehouse all night talking; one of the more interesting, strange and random conversations I've ever had. So, sorry if I missed big happenings here! I'm very excited, though, to learn I am not socially inept outside of the 'net!
Tristan, you have the cutest wedding picture ever! She looks so happy and excited!
Seryn, you do have nice feet. Don't wrry, though; my fetish is a small one. And I like my feet actually in front of me
And I agree with those who say rugbug is quite the babe.
I could keep commenting and stuff, but I should go eat something maybe. Try to come back when my blood sugar is a little higher.

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ZEEK

Friday, June 16, 2006 3:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
OK peeps

HELP! Why do men refuse to take "No thank you" for an answer?

I made the mistake if making my profile searchable and the SAME men keep emailing me.

Help! Help!

Simple. Sometimes it works. If no woman ever gave in then we wouldn't keep trying that technique. But some women do give in. I have a pretty hot friend who did just that. This guy (who literally looks like a donkey) just kept trying to get her to go out with him over and over. She wasn't interested at first, but eventually gave in. They've been dating for like 2 years now.

So, call an all ladies meeting and tell the rest of them to hold strong and guys will eventually give up.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 16, 2006 4:15 PM

Can you block them, FMF?

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TRISTAN

Friday, June 16, 2006 4:32 PM

Ok, FFF has been having probs...have not been able to post...

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MSG

Friday, June 16, 2006 4:59 PM

Finally...been trying since yesterday. Wow I leave you guys alone for a few hours and it explodes round here.

I missed so much I may never get my nails done again ( yeah right)
Anyway, I've had that not taking no for an answer happen. What worked for me is...I am not interested in you at all. I really appreciate that it took guts to ask me and I'm sorry my answer isn't what you want, but if you keep trying I will not respond.

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

TRISTAN

Friday, June 16, 2006 5:00 PM

Alright...seems I can get back on now...

FMF, it's because you are such a beauty that this particular individual cannot leave you alone!

Try being terse!

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MSG

Friday, June 16, 2006 5:03 PM

Tristan weird non sequiter, but when you're fighters fence, do they use tipped or untipped blades?

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

TRISTAN

Friday, June 16, 2006 5:20 PM

msg, the group that's fighting with me right now is only using boffer weapons (pvc and padding). We have not moved up to using live steel yet...I am not sure we will. We're having too much fun right now!
I have used live steel before with another friend, but he and I have been doing this for a long time. We use either dulled Musketeer-style blades or Schlager blades...so nothing with "lethal" tips. If by tipped you mean classic fencing safety tips, then no, I have never used them.

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MSG

Friday, June 16, 2006 6:12 PM

Wow I can post..ok boy whores? Hey why shouldn't we have boy whores? Just kidding. So I assume everyone else is having tons of trouble accessing too? This is driving me nuts( not that I was all that sane to begin with)

Tristan- actually I fence live steel no protective tip sharp blade. I was just wondering whether you did or not.
Anyway, so how is everyone today?

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

TRISTAN

Friday, June 16, 2006 7:29 PM

Gorram, I hate this!

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EMMARIGBY

Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:53 AM

Oops, this wasn't my fault! The site is still poo!

EMMARIGBY

Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:00 AM

WWWWWAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHH!

I have just learnt that my friend with benefit type person has been reading these threads! I must have raved too much about how great you people are!

OH MY GOD! What have I said, did I say anything bad, I honestly can't remember if there's anything he shouldn't have read. He says he's been amused and not offended by anything but who knows if I posted one day when I was in a grumpy mood and wasn't suitably positive. I'm all addlepated now. Must go back and read all my posts!

He hasn't said what his username is either so he could be lurking anywhere (although apparently he's talked to you Tristan on the language thread, I should go and read that!)

Edit: Found him! I now know his secret identity! He can't creep up on me!! (Except when I want him to!)

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Hisssssss!

EMMARIGBY

Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:12 AM

Okay, so maybe I was a little too impatient with the clicking!

SERYN

Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:21 AM

testing....

MSG

Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:40 PM

Take me out to the black you stupid computer not I want you to go black!!!! Anyway, testing I hope this works. HUGS Emma I am sure everything you said is witty and sweet:)

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

EMMARIGBY

Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:40 PM

I've checked the last threads and there were a couple of wince worthy moments! Would any of you have felt quite so uninhibited if you knew (intimately) anyone on the thread?!

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Hisssssss!

TRISTAN

Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:52 PM

Hello, all. THis is the first message I have been able to get through...AHH!! Withdrawals, big time! I hope all works out, and we can come back to our happy place soon!

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MSG

Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:56 PM

oh thank goodness...we're back I can post! Yippee!!
Well in case by some miracle you were able to read my log, I have decided to blow off Lake Powell for the 11th year and go to the BDM instead:) So happy we're back..( knock on wood, holy water , whatever just don't crash)

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

EMMARIGBY

Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:20 PM

I'm ever so curious about what was in all the posts that got eaten by the black hole of doom. I kept getting e-mails saying that people were posting here but by the time I arrived they'd gone!

Very mysterious!
Hmm, I would ask a riske and interesting question here but I'm feeling all inhibited in case my friend's reading. If you are I'm sorry I called you a sex toy boy! Hope you didn't take it the wrong way!

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Hisssssss!

MSG

Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:31 PM

Emma- oh come on he's already read everything you said and if making a video of yourself ahem "flying solo" isn't too risque then I think you should go ahead and ask away!! As far as I can te;; everyone has great answers and it's not like we will think you're bad...we all know you're a sweety:)

I choose to rise, instead of fall- U2

TRISTAN

Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:41 PM

Let's hope this is not premature....

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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, June 19, 2006 4:15 AM

Oh, Emma, you know me! I wouldn't have been inhibited by anything! In fact, I would almost love to have someone I "know" reading this; maybe they'd learn something!
Um, I was gonna say something else, but it took so long to sign in that I forgot. Just say I'm glad to see you all!

*crosses fingers and hits the "post" button*

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SERYN

Monday, June 19, 2006 6:58 AM

well, tristans jiggin', risque business is being discused, there were no issues writing this....

dare I say we're back?

yey!

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

TRISTAN

Monday, June 19, 2006 2:16 PM

Morning, all.
Let's see if it works this time...attempt four to post here. I managed to post in the "Black HOle" thread, but failed so far in this one...

Emma, you should not worry about what you posted...my wife has read everything I posted, and has no problems; she actually had some things to add, too! You typed nothing embarassing...as a matter of fact, there are probably a few guys jealous of your SO! No worries!

Seems the server problems have taken us off track...hopefully, things will be well again soon, and we can get back to pondering. I miss you guys and gals!

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MSG

Monday, June 19, 2006 3:37 PM

Morning Tristan darlin and everyone else...boy I hope we're back. This has been sucky! Ok so here goes nothing ( hits post)

I choose to rise, instead of fall- U2

EMMARIGBY

Monday, June 19, 2006 4:01 PM

Hmm, I'm not so convinced I didn't say something horribly embarrasing. I feel I may have come off an clingy and inseccure. Oh well. It's a bit late to start blushing now!

On to my next imponderable! Have we covered the issue of size yet? I can't remember! I mention it because despite established ethos my recent chat with the store clerk at a sex toy shop revealed that most women buy medium or small toys and respond (like me) with total fear to the giant 12 inch monstrosities!

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Hisssssss!

TRISTAN

Monday, June 19, 2006 5:10 PM

Emma, remember, now worries!

Um, size...
From a male...I have been called by various lovers "big", "thick", "average", "whoa", and "yep, that'll work". I do not consider myself big and I have done a lot of field research (damn Drama yet again). I have never scared any female away, but I have seen some that probably would. I am happy with what I have. Works for me, and most of the time satisfies the other involved.

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, June 19, 2006 6:39 PM

Size? I'm 6'1", have large thick hands, big ears, size 16 shoes, and am dark skinned. If I ain't a little above average than looking like a light chocolate covered clown is all for nothing!

If this goes through I'm glad to have been heard. Feel as if I have too much time to work without y'all.

Mal: Bwah.

MSG

Monday, June 19, 2006 10:20 PM

Oh please let this be back.. It loaded nice and fast and is acting normally..Hope it stays this way
Um NV-unless you deliberately misunderstood she was looking for a more personal measurement. However based on your personal stats I think we can figure that out;)
In case my mind's just gutter bound, I'm 5'2" 125 pounds size 6 dress, size 6 1/2 shoe:)

I choose to rise, instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:06 AM

How does one choose their weapon? I am very curious about the choices one makes online/at the naughty store. As for actual weapons of choice I always lean towards reliable, possessing a sufficient caliber and capacity. Do women think in the same terms with their joy implements?

MSG: I would have guessed you taller. As for the whole gutter bound remark... We're already there Hun, just grab the size 7 waders and trudge on through. We'll be the folks with the Browncoats pondering at the very Imponderable aspects of males and females.

Mal: Bwah.

SERYN

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:42 AM

I don't know which gutter your mind is in, but my mental gutter features dry floors, roman style couches for pondering whilst lounging and a cd player.

Little bit of interior decorating can liven up any dirty thought.

I don't believe I just typed that.

As for size, I was once (very briefly) with a basketball player, huge tall muscly guy. And you know what they say about black men...

But I had no problems. Similarly, an ex was, er, more skilled in other areas. Again, didn't have a problem.

To repeat the old hackneyed phrase 'It ain't how big it is but what you do with it that counts'

Saying that, if I ever did start buying myself toys, I wouldn't be going neer the monsters. I also believe the 'best things come in small packages' saying.

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:35 AM

Ok, still having some troubles so I haven't been able to respond. Arg!
OK, size, yeah. As I've only been with one guy I don't have a lot of comparisons to make. He was a little above average size, and I will tell you that it hurt massively the first time. It got better, though.
Toys? I get medium size in terms of length, though usually slimmer than average. I find I do not get as turned on and lubricated by myself, so I can handle a bigger man than toy. Even a lubricated toy just doesn't work; I'm not as dialated I guess. The other thing is that toys are obviously not the same material and don't tend to have much give, so they can't adjust.
The thing is that women come in different sizes, too. I'm fairly small as far as I can tell. More than likely a "rabbit" woman according to the Kama Sutra. I'm sure I would be happy with any size in lover as long as he would listen to me about what I needed. Larger than average, he would need to figure out quickly how I respond to pain. Smaller than average would just need to learn what the best angles were to hit the right spots.
What's the other saying? "It's not the size of your pole that matters, it's how your worm wiggles."

Oh yes, and I'm 5'6 with size 8 1/2 feet.
You know that thing about feet and noses is a disproven old wive's tale, right?

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PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:00 AM

After telling me it couldn't post five times, I come back to see it in fact posted twice. Mur.

EMMARIGBY

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:47 AM

Quote:

You know that thing about feet and noses is a disproven old wive's tale, right?

So I've been told. It is however the only chat-up line that I'v ever dared to use! "My what big feet you have!" with a cheerful wink does break the ice! (Oh there was also the good old "Well, slap my thigh!" when I was in pantos!)

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Hisssssss!

EMMARIGBY

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:47 AM

Grrr argh! Double posty badness! It's such a struggle to get through to you guys at the moment!

CHAOSHASCOME

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by EmmaRigby:

Hmm, I would ask a riske and interesting question here but I'm feeling all inhibited in case my friend's reading. If you are I'm sorry I called you a sex toy boy! Hope you didn't take it the wrong way!

How could that possibly be taken the wrong way?

Quote:
Hmm, I'm not so convinced I didn't say something horribly embarrasing. I feel I may have come off an clingy and inseccure. Oh well. It's a bit late to start blushing now!

Chill! I didn't mean to intrude in your online being-yourself space. You just made it sound so fun! (And it is!)
Anyway, if you're feeling embarrassed, just remember some of the stuff you know about me, and you'll be fine again!

EMMARIGBY

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:37 PM

He he! Can I mention some of them?

It's nice to have addicted a friend to the fun of FFF.net! I'll stop complaining and just enjoy the sharing now!

Hey! You're a Jayne icon man! I always saw you as more of a Simon kind of guy. Except in the bedroom. Definately Jayne there!

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Hisssssss!

TRISTAN

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:31 PM

Morning, all!
PR, I agree with your observation of female size...and also agree with your "wiggle" theory. Not so sure about the rabbit reference, though.

Chaos, welcome to the board! Emma, hopefully his appearance won't prevent you from posting?

Still having problems posting, but Haken said he's working on it!

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MSG

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:13 PM

gonna keep trying to post here...
Emma oh really? do tell...
Chaos welcome to our lovely site. We're all fun here( crazy as a box of frogs) but fun
NV- yes sadly despite my desperate wish to be an amazon I am stuck as a pixie...sigh!
Size- hey as long as the guy knows what he's doing I doubt the thoughts crossing your mind involve a measuring sick..

I choose to rise, instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:29 PM

Tryin' again.

Welcome CHAOS. Beware the female BROWNCOAT!
They just love all the DP (Double Postey) goodness.
SINNERS.
MSG- The little ones are the ones to be afraid of!

TRISTAN: I have created a shrine in your honor. Okay, its a pile of cookies that I will eat in your honor.

Love and miss all of you.

Built for comfort, not built for speed.

EMMARIGBY

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:53 PM

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Originally posted by Tristan:
Morning, all!
PR, I agree with your observation of female size...and also agree with your "wiggle" theory. Not so sure about the rabbit reference, though.

I think it's a Karma Sutra thing but I've never actually read it. On a related matter I saw a wonderful new version of the Rampant Rabbit at the aforementioned shop but they are so very expensive! Maybe I should ask Santa! I've been a fairly good girl this year (that's the problem!)

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Chaos, welcome to the board! Emma, hopefully his appearance won't prevent you from posting?

Nar, as you can see I can't keep my mouth shut for long! Even when I have to try 5 or 6 times to get a post through! Evil computer I swear it's laughing at me!

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ELOISA

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:43 PM

I seem to be able to get into the community area far easier than the BSR, after several days of having it the other way round. Anyway... re. the naughty store, I go by manufacturing material as much as size. I'm not fond of those very smooth ones that are about as flexible as a pane of glass.

(5'6", shoe size 7 1/2 UK or 41 European, overenthusiastic bust. I wonder if a woman's measurements have anything to do with her size as categorised by the Kama Sutra? And for men, aren't handspans from little finger to thumb meant to be slightly more representative than foot lengths, i.e. at all?)

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CHAOSHASCOME

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EmmaRigby:

I think it's a Karma Sutra thing

Categories of size. Listing small, medium and large, there are:
Shash (rabbit), Vrish (bull) and Ashva (horse) for the males and Mrigi (doe), Badava (cow) and Hastini (she-elephant) for the females.

CHAOSHASCOME

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
He he! Can I mention some of them?

Eeek! Erm. Possibly, but ask me first?

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Hey! You're a Jayne icon man! I always saw you as more of a Simon kind of guy. Except in the bedroom. Definately Jayne there!

How so? Because I'm thinking that's not good - prissy and uptight in normal life (sorry Simon fans!) but dim and indelicate in the bedroom? (Sorry Jayne fans!)

Besides, the "Which Firefly character are you?" quiz said Jayne.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

You know that thing about feet and noses is a disproven old wive's tale, right?

Not entirely disproven:

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The relationships among height, penile length, and foot size
Kerry Siminoski and Jerald Bain

They won an IgNobel Prize for this

Anyway, it concluded:

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Penile length was found to be statistically related to both body height and foot length, but with weak correlation coefficients.

I'm a mine of useless information...

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:04 AM

OH I missed some funny funny stuff! Crazy as a box of frogs! That we are, that we are.
Nice to see you Chaos! You're taking good care of our Emma, right?
That laughing computer is a hoot, partly because I relate.
Eoisa, have you ever seen the ones that are actually made of glass? I have a friend who swears by them, but talk about inflexible! I wouldn't be able to do a thing with those!

The Kama Sutra states that there are three different size classifications. They're different for women and men. A yoni (as they put it) comes in three sizes classified by rabbit, horse, and elephant. Rabbit women are small; tighter and shallower than average. Horse women are medium, and elephant women are very large. I can say that, as a 42 C, measurments on the outside don't have a lot to do with measurments on the inside.
Chaos and I must have read a different version of the Kama Sutra! I just saw he has different animals listed than what I remember. I remember rabbit, horse, and elephant for women. Rabbit, something I can't recall, and horse for men. What was that middle one? He could be right, it might be bull. Don't remember. Anyway, I didn't get very far into it; it goes on for pages about size pairings and the like. Wow.

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EMMARIGBY

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ChaosHasCome:
He he! Can I mention some of them?

Eeek! Erm. Possibly, but ask me first?

Only joking! I can't actually think of any embarrassing stories of you (that don't involve me!)

Quote:
Hey! You're a Jayne icon man! I always saw you as more of a Simon kind of guy. Except in the bedroom. Definately Jayne there!

How so? Because I'm thinking that's not good - prissy and uptight in normal life (sorry Simon fans!) but dim and indelicate in the bedroom? (Sorry Jayne fans!)

That's a very negative take on such wonderfully complex characters! I was thinking more of Simon's highly intelligent, reserved and fiercely loyal side combined with Jayne's uninhibited, fun-loving and dominant qualities. It was supposed to be a compliment! I'm sure not many women out there would say no to such a combination!

Quote:

I'm a mine of useless information...

Knowledge boy comes through with the info once more! (that's his nickname!)

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Hisssssss!

EMMARIGBY

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:50 AM

Sorry about the DP, hard to avoid when it keeps sending you error messages so you don't know if it's worked or not!

TRISTAN

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:23 PM

Alright, second attempt...the first one just disappeared...

Morning, all!
NVGhostrider, thank you, and I hope the shrine was delicious!

As to the Kama Sutra, I have tried several of the positions (don't ask me the names, it's been awhile) and was not all that impressed. Not saying it's not fun and exciting to try, but it has been awhile since I have had a lover willing to experiment and "play". I am quite happy not bringing rabbits, does, or (mercy) elephants into my bed-play

Let's hope it works this time...

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CHAOSHASCOME

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EmmaRigby:
That's a very negative take on such wonderfully complex characters! I was thinking more of Simon's highly intelligent, reserved and fiercely loyal side combined with Jayne's uninhibited, fun-loving and dominant qualities. It was supposed to be a compliment! I'm sure not many women out there would say no to such a combination!

I can feel a DP-joke coming on...

Fair enough then, I shall try to think positively on that

CHAOSHASCOME

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Nice to see you Chaos! You're taking good care of our Emma, right?

I wish(!) We're at opposite sides of the country at the moment, although I might get to visit her next week if I'm lucky. I'm going to give her a hand with her snake dissertation, among other things

MSG

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:25 PM

Hey it seems to be working :)
Eloisa- I know just how you feel about the overendowed stuff. I'm a DD cup and it's quite the pain/curse. I still resent that lovely Harvard study where they took the same group of women and had them dress in a variety of professional clothes and have large and small bust. Turns out both male and female surveyed rated the endowed women as dumber, sluttier, less competant, and sloppier than the same women with smaller busts...You know I would have been happier not knowing that:)
I really hope this posts...fingers crossed
I hope I can post before i have to leave for five days on vacation.

I choose to rise, instead of fall- U2

TRISTAN

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:48 PM

msg, I hope the vacation goes well. Have fun for all of us!

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JAMESTHEDARK

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:35 AM

How about this for a new direction: Trust.
I am a 21 year old man who has never been in any sort of relationship. I can count the number of friends I've had in my life on one hand, excluding those in my family. I am socially inept and frequently cloister myself. Why? Because I have extreme difficulties with trust.

(A bit of background on this. I was physically and emotionally abused by my peers throughout my school years. In elementary, I never had a single friend, and was bullied and abused constantly. In high school, I was the butt of conversation for anybody who deigned to acknowledge my existence. The only people I could trust were in my family, with a few golden exceptions, but they couldn't help me. But I digress.)

Back to the relationship thing: For me, trust is everything. If I can't trust, I can't do dick all. That's why I have exactly three friends. These are people I trust, and believe me it took a damn long while for me to reach that point. That's most of the reason I've never entered a relationship. I am afraid of social situations, and the people I meet are intimidating. Don't misunderstand, I'm not a small man (6'0, 200 lbs.) but I'm just dreadfully uncomfortable around people I don't know. Once, that discomfort matured a panic attack, and you know I wasn't venturing out for a while after that one.
Since I both desperately require trust, and have next to no capacity in developing it, I'm stuck in a sink hole.
Has anybody else found themselves pincered like this before?

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I ain't lookin' for help from on high. That's a damn long wait for a train don't come.

SERYN

Friday, June 23, 2006 8:52 AM

I was bullied in school as well, but I seemed to go the other route - the superiority complex and the 'its their loss' attitute if people jerked me around. Kids are the cruellest, and they always get you before you can build your defences.

But all this I did in my own head, I managed to govern my own thinking until trust and intimacy issues didn't affect my everyday social interction, so I have built up a large cirlce of aquaintences, and it builds - the more people you mix with the more you relax around people and the better you can delvelop friendships.

Also, what you need to realise, is you don't have to immedietly forge super duper friendships where you know everything about each other and would trust them with you life and your kids. All you have to do is enjoy yourself around them. Initially, you don't have to give them anything more than your name, and you only have to give them as much of yourself as you feel comfortable with, no more, and at your own pace. I have friends who I only see to go to the cinema or to see a band with, I have friends who i natter with in work, or go to the pub with, then i have a few friends who know a lot about me, but they didn't happen over night, it took a while for us all to feel comfortable enough to share.

So first, push yourself out of your comfort zone - smile at a random staranger, and if they smile back, that makes a small positive eent - if they don't then they are miserable gits who don't deserve your attention.
Enrole in a group or class for something you are interested in - that way you have something set up to talk to people about, and make yourself talk to a different person every time, even if its only a few words, or a joke and a laugh. Expect enjoyment, be happy and friendships will happen all by them selves, and after a while, suggest a group trip to a bar or the cinema. Always try to engineer outings and even date where you have something, like a band or a movie, to talk about should you need a conversation starter, and don't underestimate the power of staying silent - listening to people is a skill that they value.

Whatever you do, don't tell people you are shy and have trust issues, they will believe you and it will always affect the way the relationship develops.

As for panic attacks, I can't even pretend to help you with that. You need to see a counsellor, a professional who can teach you coping mechanisms and ways to avoid it in the first place, and also get to, and hopefully help you get over, the root causes for them anyway. Choose your counsellor well, go for someone who will teach you practical methods for dealing with things.

I hoped all that waffle helped a little. Just don't expect to much of people, you can have lots of fun and be happy with out laying yourself open, as long as you don't expect too much from people to begin with.

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

SERYN

Friday, June 23, 2006 9:02 AM

You know i've made five posts now with no problems.

I think we're back!

yey! new subject to go with the trust subject...

no, i can't think of one.

And thank you for your kind comments after all my ranting on myspace tristan. I think i needed that one.

And i still feel unwell *womens trouble alert* something like the fourthday now and its pissing me off like you wouldn't beleive - i think i'm becoming a paracetamol junkie *troubles talk over* but i feel much better now that we have hot water and fireflyfans back again!

Party!

*dances* *throws streamers* *eats cake* *snogs a cute bloke* *dances more*

...come on, i can't party on my own. Celebration time!

EMMARIGBY

Friday, June 23, 2006 1:10 PM

Well I'll come partay with you Seryn! So nice to be back!
I have a live band to help celebrate our return! I was going to bring them to the Partay or Forsaken thread but since you asked so nicely!

TRISTAN

Friday, June 23, 2006 1:40 PM

Good morning, all!
Yes, it does seem to be back...whee!!

Boy, howdy, how I have missed this place!

I have some catching up to do, and then some posting.
Seryn, no problem at all. If you ever do need to rant, I am just a click away

I shall return soon, my lovelies!

Holding until you get back, Captain.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 23, 2006 1:47 PM

Imponderables lovelies, I need your advice. I need your advice badly.
My ex of doom has writtem to me and now I don't know what to do. I just have no idea how to respond. I'm completely pissed off and almost more hurt than I was after his original e-mail adventure. What should I do???

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TRISTAN

Friday, June 23, 2006 1:55 PM

PR, what are your feelings towards him? Another thing, do you want to be in contact with him?

Holding until you get back, Captain.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:08 PM

I don't know that I'd really be able to describe how I feel about him. He said some very horrible things to me in his original e-mail, things I don't want to forgive him for. Everything in that damn message seemed like it was hand-crafted to insult and hurt me as much as possible. He made me angrier than anyone's ever made me. I don't know if I could ever trust him in any way again. I've wondered many times what exactly it was we had, if I was just creating a fantasy in my head or something since we seemed to remember such different things about our relationship. I've wondered if I ever actually meant anything to him at all. But at the same time I know that I couldn't have just been making it all up, and I miss what we had so much it hurts. But it was all built on trust, and I can't trust what he says because he's said too many different things. If he hadn't ever written what he did, it would be different. I don't know if I want to be back in touch with him because I don't know what I want. I don't even know what's real when it comes to him. I'm angry and I'm crying and I want to tell him off and GORRAMMIT HE HAS RUINED MY DAY!

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TRISTAN

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:19 PM

PR, do not let your day be ruined. FFF.net is back! All other things are shiny! Do not let someone's words ruin your day. You have moved beyond him; you are in a happier place. The important thing to remember is that he is an "EX"...he has no bearing on your current life...unless you let him. You have the ability to ignore him, or laugh in his face. Trust is an issue. Once you no longer trust someone, that is the end of it. Trust is not something to be idly tossed aside, and this is what he appears to have done. Not something that can be rebuilt easily.

Holding until you get back, Captain.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:26 PM

He claims he panicked. What kind of claim is that?

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TRISTAN

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:39 PM

PR, that is a chickens**t way of saying he got caught in something he did not want to be caught in and was seeking a way out.

Holding until you get back, Captain.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:45 PM

You're more than likely right. I just still wish it hadn't gone down the way it did and have convinced a part of myself that I could change it if I talked to him.
I have to go, must go get paycheck so I can buy Serenity. Might be back later on and if not, then tonight after the movie.

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TRISTAN

Friday, June 23, 2006 3:42 PM

PR, we will be here when you return!

Alright, before all the troubles began, where were we? I think the last thing we were playing with was picture-posting...then the site went wonky.

Anyone have anything?

Holding until you get back, Captain.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, June 23, 2006 4:28 PM

Yay! Back to the imponderables! I tried posted a few times this week, but it failed and I gave up.

PR - maybe he did panic, but whatever he wants to call it, do you really want that in a relationship? I think you can do better.

Jamesthedark - I know what you mean, kids in school and wicked mean and they tend to go after whoever's weak. They did it to me too, before I learned to defend myself. It sets a bad self-image that lasts a looong time.

I got some really good advice recently, and I'm seeing the positive effects of applying it. It's hard to do but it works, here we go:

*people like to be liked*

That's it! It's a scary thing to do for folks like us who've been burned, but it's so true. If you can respond to new people with something like joy at anything about them, it wins them over. You get stuck in a viscous cycle when you are sure people will be mean, and you receive them with a wall up.

For example - I take dance class, and tend to be shy around the really beautiful/well-trained dancers. But I've been trying to just smile when I catch their eye, instead of looking away, and voila - I've gotten to be friends with a few! Shocker!

Really, other people are like you, looking for acceptance. Take control and offer something good to them, and they will react in kind. I think that's why this site is so good, people offer love and welcome without question.

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.[/i

SERYN

Friday, June 23, 2006 5:01 PM

PR, i'm pretty certain he's a certifiable idiot. Where's his house and how quickly can the Vigilante Shaving Party be there?

I can't help but think that he had no right to contact you like that, theres no way he can believe that writing more letters wouldn't hurt you, and yup, saying he 'panicked' is the cop out.

So Rejoice in the ressurection of FFF.net and look, here's a shoulder for you to cry on until you feel better.

*hugs* for you.

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
FozzieWash, Hey, look! They're sending us free lumber!
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

RUGBUG

Friday, June 23, 2006 5:08 PM

Merciful Zeus, we're back. :huge sigh of relief: I've missed us tremendously.

PR: IMO, you can rebuild trust in some relationships. But the thing that sticks out to me from your post is that this guy said some awful things to you. That in my book is a deal breaker....forever. There are ways to break up with someone, even if you "panic," that don't involve tearing the other person down. It's called owning your "sh&t." You don't villify the other person because you freak out.

NUCLEARDAY

Friday, June 23, 2006 5:12 PM

Huzzah to Haken and his resuscitation of the site, and a happy Serenity Day to you all! :)

JamesTheDark: I've been down the uncomfortableness road, too. Man, all that teenage angst took quite a long while to wear off. I'm still don't like being around lots of people I don't know, but it's something you can get used to. Best advice is what Mal4Prez said. Everyone else is just looking for people to like them, too. Those with low self-esteem are just looking for someone to like them, and the more conceited types will always want more confirmation of their grandness :) For me, once I realized that most people were wondering how I felt about them as vice versa, it got alot easier.

Far as looking for a special lady-friend: I'd recommend taking things one at a time. Worry less about how you're going to meet that someone special, and start meeting people period :)

PhoenixRose: You have the right to talk to this guy when you are ready to. Just because the guy's got regrets doesn't mean he's changed, and just because he writes you doesn't mean you have to respond. Either way, *hug*

Alright, those are my two cents, at least. Stay shiny, guys.

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You can take my hope when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. (Or if Kaylee asks me nicely...)

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 23, 2006 6:41 PM

to everyone! I knew you'd understand.
Yes, he is a certifiable idiot. Yes, he is a cop-out. Yes, he can't own his shit in any form. No, I don't want the possibility of that kind of panic in a relationship and I know that history tends to repeat itself. No, he had no right to contact me, but in a way I'm glad he did. It means he's finally figuring out that he messed up. Really messed up. Maybe he'll actually learn something from this.
The horrible things he said to me weren't really vilifying, they were just untrue and hence very hurtful. I still have the first e-mail he sent me and could show you all exactly what he said. You might have to know me pretty well to know why a few things were as hurtful as they were, but you can get a general idea:
I understand how you feel Rose. I hope you understand how I currently feel that we should not pursue each other romantically right now.
Lately I have been feeling trapped. Trapped by my
responsibilities, trapped by my parents, trapped at the hospital, and even trapped by my commitments to you. I have never found it easy to talk about being trapped, because I feel like I wont be understood. I cant even claim to know why I feel trapped, all I know is that I feel like the walls are closing in on me.
As for you and me; I feel that our lack of common interests is interfering with our personal growth. I feel that we block each other creativily. The whole time we have been together you have written nothing new, and I have not been drawing much either.
Our lack of spontanueity is another concern, the most unpredictable thing we have ever done is drive up to that one mountain town last time I visited. I believe we fell in with each other because we were both lonely at the time. We gave each other the company we thought we needed at the time, but as we continued I began feeling like the only thing we were doing for each other was keeping each other from feeling alone. It
bothered me that you haven't made any new friends since I met you. Your lack of a social life is unhealthy, and using me as an excuse is even unhealthier. I care about you Rose, and feel that I am less good for you than you think. You constantly worry about me, which causes you to stress out more than you should. I am sorry that you dont want to try to be the better friends that we could be for each other.
I am sorry that it has come down to this, but this is how I feel.
Your friend if you want,
Brandon
Basically, none of it is true. I could get into details, but I could just as easily say that none of it is true. Except the part where he says he's not as good for me as I thought. That part is true.

Here's the new one:
I want to say I am sorry for the pain I must have caused you. I wish I could better explain what was going on with me at that time. I can only say that I was feeling trapped. Not with you but with life in general, and I panicked. I didn't know who to talk to, or who I could trust with a good decision. I do wish that you had been more patient with me, but you are hardly to blame. I wasn't helping your uneasy feelings by acting the way I did. I truly wish I could take back what happened between us. And while I am sure you are not very fond of me. Know that I still love you, and wish you the very best in life. I do wish we could be friends, but I know that is not something you want to deal with. I wish I could ask for your forgiveness for what I did, but I am sure you wont give that either, and I will understand if you do not respond to this at all. I just want to get my feelings out there as I feel they are weighing me down.
With Love,
Brandon

All I can say is that he has a lot of nerve. In a lot of respects. Bah!
Do you think he'll really understand if I don't reply, or will it eat at him? Because really, if this is all it would take to clear his conscience then that's pretty weak. See how he doesn't even say he's sorry for spitting on what we had and acting like it was no big deal? See that? Doesn't

SERYN

Friday, June 23, 2006 10:18 PM

I'd be tempted just to send him a very short (poison) sweet message saying something along the lines of 'well you've got a nerve. Deal with it yourself'

But please don't take my advice, listen to just about everyone before me, cause I don't seem to be giving out very good advice lately.

Don't loose your dignity and don't give him any outs. (but also, see just above)

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Hodgins: Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
FozzieWash, You know what I always say: sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
KermieMal, I never Know what the heck you're talking about.
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TRISTAN

Saturday, June 24, 2006 5:26 AM

I have started a new thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=21738

Hope to see you all there!

Holding until you get back, Captain.

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