Male and Female Imponderables--Continued Yet Again

POSTED BY: Tristan
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TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:57 PM

Greetings, all! This is just the next step in the Imponderables ladder. Check out the last thread here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=21738

To those who are just now joining us, this thread is for the discussion of, well, imponderables of the opposite sex...things they do that confuse, frustrate, or make you want to pull out your hair.

Post away, enjoy the conversation, and as always, lurkers are more than welcome to throw their two cents' in...this is by no means a closed thread.

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:02 PM

A shiny new home!

Can I admit that I am stunned by CaliKaele's 30FF at 5'2!

I am, in fact, gobsmacked!

I worry my dear for your spine health!

and WELCOME WELCOME!

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:08 PM

Yes...I was kinda shocked to hear that. It's early, so I am still trying to picture that, and I really can't. Although the "K" for Kangaroo did make me spit up coffee!

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MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:06 PM

Morning all... Glad to have a slightly shorter thread.
WOW CK- I now feel dainty. I'm surprised you haven't gone for a reduction as with my now puny DD's have major back and neck problems which is why insurance will pay to make em nice and C

Hey I have a fun one for us to discuss...how big an age difference is too big? WE have a great friend who is 36 and he still can't seem to date a woman his age ( last girlfriend was 19) So how big an age difference is out of bounds??

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:09 PM

Mornin' all. It's too damn early to be sitting in front of the 'puter...and yet here I am. Grrr...

NV, I just had to comment on this from the end of the last thread:

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I will not compete with anyone for the affections of a woman. Not kids, dogs, cats, family, or especially another man. I will be loved for being myself and no other reason. I expect these conditions for myself and expect no less for the recipiant of my affections.

While I agree that you shouldn't have to compete for the affections of a woman, especially with another man, please rethink the other list. Your statement is a sentiment that has kept me single for so long.

See, I am a horsewoman. Now horsewomen, as a group, are fiercely dedicated to our horses. We are strong, independent woman who aren't afraid of doing hardwork and getting dirty. Horses aren't just pets, they aren't just hobbies, they are a passion. They are our therapy. They also require A LOT of regular care...which takes A LOT of time...and A LOT of money. I can't tell you how many times I hear "He wants me to choose," "He's jealous of the horse," or "He resents the money spent on the horses." It scares the bejeesus out of me.

Now, I don't expect a man to take a back seat to the horses, or have to compete for my affections, but there are times that the horse will come first. And yes, more than likely, the majority of the money I make will go to enjoying the horse. A man involved with a horsewoman had better have a strong sense of self...and a time consuming hobby of their own doesn't hurt. And by god, if I am ever asked to choose, the horses were here first and they will be here when he's gone.

It's a pretty harsh stand. But it isn't an uncommon one in my world. I watch husbands turn their wive's passion in to a source of contention and it hurts me to no end. That's got to be one of the saddest imponderables of all to me. A strong, confident man knows he's not competing for affections, just that he's not the sole source of joy, love, and devotion in his partner's life.

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:13 PM

Morning, MSG!
Age difference...well, my wife and I are separated by ten years, and while that may not seem like a lot, it does make for some interesting times. She is the first person I ever dated that was that much younger, so I do not have all that much personal experience, but I do have a mindset regarding that. Beyond societal disapproval (such as a 20 year old woman marrying an 85 year old man), age should have no bearing on who you love or desire to be with.

That's a good one to start the day with.

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MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:15 PM

Rug darling I understand, but there are great guys who can support you. My sister is a horsewoman as is my mother and both of their husbands are great with regards to the horses. They even help out and can even feed in a pinch!
What kind of horses do you have?
My sis had a gorgeous Arabian ( he just passed away of complications from surgical colic) and so right now all she has are our barn babies A percheron and the percheron/clydesdale mix ( offspring of the percheron)
She competes in hunter/jumper...do you compete? or do you just show?
I only think it's competing for the affection if you love the horse more and bail on couple time to be with the horse. I think most decent guys should understand about horses:)
EDIT- Tristan I think the age difference problem depends more on your reasons for the age gap..if it's just who you fell in love with , great! If you date profoundly younger women because it boosts your ego or for money then eeeew!!!
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:27 PM

MSG, I agree. Dating younger people for an ego boost is a bad thing.

RugBug, have you ever thought about dating a cowboy? They seem to be horse-people, too! I can understand the love and devotion for horses, but I have never actually been around them for any length of time. I am a big fan of the larger horses; Belgians, Ardennes (I think that's what they are called), and the Clydesdales. Big horsey!

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MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:40 PM

Tristan you'd love Diesel and Tinkerbell then..Tink's hugeher hooves are the size of large dinner plates...if she weren't sucha girly girl horse she'd make a fabulous war horse...sadly Diesel is hand raised so he thinks he's a somewhat oversized dog so he'd be lousy in a battle. he'd be trying to lick the enemy and pull hair ( as a joke)

Ok just got a great laugh from 13...he seemed stunned that a teacher would have a tatoo....think I should tell him about the bullet bike??

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:48 PM

I have always had a healthy respect for horses and those that choose them as a lifestyle (did that come out right?) But, yes, the first time I was truly impressed with the mere "thereness" of a horse was coming up to a Clydesdale when I was about twenty and realizing how truly massive they really were. And then I found out the largest horses we have on the planet (I think it's called the Shire breed) is still a bit smaller than the warhorses used during the medieval period.

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:54 PM

MSG

I have tattoos - I was told by a guy recently that I looked "too innocent" to have them. Imagine his face when I offered to show him my piercing. LOL!

PENGUIN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
MSG

I have tattoos - I was told by a guy recently that I looked "too innocent" to have them. Imagine his face when I offered to show him my piercing. LOL!

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:06 PM

MSG: I compete hunter/jumper on a warmblood. I know there are supportive guys out there, they are just really hard to find in this small town.

Age difference: It's fine to a point. I think a 36 year old dating a 19 year old is a little off. Makes me think the 36 year old isn't very mature.

I usually date guys a little younger than me. Always been attracted to them, dont' know why. Most of my friends are younger as well. Guess I'm just in denial about how old I really am.

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:12 PM

Rugbug- warmbloods are such lovely horses:) You're bound to find a guy who loves them too..just don't put any personals ads out about horse lover seeks horse lover you might get a wholly different kind of horse lover;)

FMF- piercings??? do tell:)

Penguin you are so talented with the little yellow people..I'm impressed!

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:12 PM

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Oh no! Someone get some water! We must revive Penquin!

PENGUIN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:14 PM

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Oh no! Someone get some water! We must revive Penquin!

I think he needs mouth-to-mouth!

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:19 PM

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Oh no! Someone get some water! We must revive Penquin!

I think he needs mouth-to-mouth!

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Well its a good thing that I am a certified Instructor in CPR and First Aid!

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GED

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
So how big an age difference is out of bounds??

Well, I dated a 35 year old woman when I was 24. I honestly think a 5-7 year difference is probably the cap for me, unless I find someone truly amazing. Age is not only a factor, but also maturity, character, and personality.

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This above all, — to thine ownself be true.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:26 PM

The EXmr-FMF is 5 years older. I used to find considerable humour in reminding him that when he was in highschool, I was in the 5th grade And of course the FutureMr is younger than me.

PENGUIN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Penguin you are so talented with the little yellow people..I'm impressed!

I find most of them on the web...the penguin ones I make myself...usually from the yellow ones!

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:35 PM

FMF, my wife's favorite thing to remind me of is that she was eight years old when I graduated from high school...always a big hit, that one By the time she got into college, I had already graduated three times and was going for a forth...slight generation-type gap there. But, she keeps me young most of the time...or reminds me how old I truly am compared to her.

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MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:37 PM

ooh that's another part to add on. How big is too big an age difference in a relationship and does it matter if it's older guy younger woman or older woman younger guy?
I think love has no age limit, but there are moments when the age difference may cross not only generally accepted society lines, but moral lines as well.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:58 PM

FMF: I am surrounded by cowboys. or Wal-Mart cowboys in the very least. The only problem with that is that I'm truly a city girl at heart. I ride english, and it is worlds away from western. And I HATE country music and wranglers (complete turn-off) and boots. I'm open to a cowboy who will wear levi's though.

How big an age difference is too big? Well obviously if it crosses legal lines. I suppose it depends a lot on the individuals involved. I personally wouldn't go more than 7 years younger than me. That is even pushing it. Seven years older than me seems ancient. I always choke when someone mentions their 40+ year old friend they'd like to set me up with. I always ask what type of person he is, because if he lives young, it might not be too bad. There's a guy at my barn right now that is probably interested in me, but he's like 47...on top of the other creepiness that is him, there is just no way.

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:04 PM

Rugbug- I'm with you on the cowboy thing:) I've only ridden English as well:) 47 does seem a smidgen old for you...hmm however I've just realized all the actors I find attractive are waaaay too old for me.
Sean Bean (47) Tony Todd(53) Alan Rickman (60) Adam Baldwin (43) ( I could go on, but eeek I may need to start working on some younger crushes!!)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:04 PM

Rugbug- I'm with you on the cowboy thing:) I've only ridden English as well:) 47 does seem a smidgen old for you...hmm however I've just realized all the actors I find attractive are waaaay too old for me.
Sean Bean (47) Tony Todd(53) Alan Rickman (60) Adam Baldwin (43) ( I could go on, but eeek I may need to start working on some younger crushes!!)
Edit- don't know why that just double posted. It acted like it didn't post...so sorry folks:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:20 PM

Morning all.

RUGBUG- My intentions are this: I wish for a woman to have her own time and own things to do. I really do not require much upkeep at all. In fact, I prefer a woman that needs time. I too lead a very involved life filled with work and family obligations. The things I like to do with my spare time don't always involve womenfolk. I'm just saying that when all is said and done, when its time to be with one another, I ask for that to be our time.If a woman told me that I couldn't spend time with my ponies, (Truck and Rez' Rod)I'd be plenty pissed. I agree that an SO cannot be the sole source of happiness for anyone. Everyone must have their own thing. Otherwise they end up lonely and broke and stuck with an SO that expects too much. Besides, how many women out there would really go bounce around in the desert mountains for three to five days looking at the sights with no shower in the near future. Or sit at the range in 105 degree heat sighting rifles or running drills. I've met a few, but most of them were related to me. I need to get out more!

TRISTAN- Always had a huge soft spot for the war horses of old. There is a family up the road from here who've bred Belgians for years. Magnificent animals. Our area is famous for the mustang. Small but not useless. Though, I would not subject such a small creature to burden themselves with much more than my pack gear.

MSG- Enjoying all the DP goodness? Naughty teacher lady Who has a problem with the age thing? (raises hand) Alot of the guys my age in the immediate area are always chasing High School girls. How F'd up is that? Wish I could help people make more posative choices in their lives. Maybe a mandatory sterilization campaign for disagreeable people? Oh hell, glad I brought my knife!
Now that I look at it, I don't require a whole lot of attention. I think a hug and a kiss from time to time might do me some good. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Thank for the comments. I was stuck at work last night until 11:00 and started talking out my ass at about 9:00. Just got a sudden boost of aggression and... I'll shut up now

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:40 PM

you never need to shut up NV. I think you do just fine:) I do however wish you'd stop saying things that make you sound like my perfect guy... You like guns, horses, Firefly, independent smart women, and you're smart and cute...WOW if I weren't taken...I'd be in a car on the way to Nevada right this very second!!!!

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:14 PM

Must communicate my fondness for women who'd been cut. I absolutely love tattoos. Not big on the piercings, but some do seem to be placed well. I really hate the dumb little girls running around showing their ink and holes. So many of the girls in this town are so unhappy with themselves that they altered something and end up unhappy with what they'd done. The guy who does my work( John @ Outsiders 775 980 7699) is a true artist that really talks through a piece rather than just selling crap or running a boutique like so many others. I must say that heartfelt, significant pieces always flow very well on a womans body.

MSG, Did you say bullet bike?

I'm a little slow. Please forgive the off topic posting. I just really like ink.

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:28 PM

yeah I did say bullet bike:) and may I also say esspresso lip gloss!! just picked it up while I was out;)For me a tattoo is meant to be symbolic to represent an ideal or have special meaning. That's why I'm getting a serenity tattoo to celebrate my 33rd birthday and all the great changes I have made in my life:) I personally like a tattoo or so on a guy/girl as long as it's tasteful and easy to cover in situations where tattoos are less appropriate:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:34 PM

Thanks for the welcome, everyone!

And yes, the boobs are a little unwieldy, lol. The important thing to remember about bra sizes though, is that it's determined by the difference in inches. Double-F just means that I have a 10 inch difference between my ribcage and my bust measurement. My ribcage is 27" and my bust is 37", so while the difference is rather large, the final measurement isn't all that big. I can usually buy tshirts off the rack no problem. It's just things like swimsuits and dresses, which have to fit elsewhere, that are the problem. And having a bra that fits correctly has done wonders for my clothes fitting correctly, not to mention easing the back pain, lol.

I have thought about a reduction, and will probably have one in 10 years or so. Right now I have a lot of other health issues that are preventing me from having any surgery that isn't absolutely necessary. Someday though. :P

As far as age difference goes, I tend to think the older you get the less it matters. My hubby is 8 years older than me, and while that seemed like almost too big of an age difference when we started dating, it only ever comes up now when old songs come on the radio, lol. My grandfather's wife is 12 years younger than him, but once you're both in retirement, I don't think anyone notices, lol. Actually, now that I think about it, the vast majority of my family have married someone a few years older or younger than them. Even my brother who is getting married in August is marrying an older woman, hehe.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:36 PM

MSG

OK since I am older and meaner I will claim that I thought of the Serenity Logo tattoo first. It will be my story and I am sticking to it. I came home from the movie, saw the logo on the computer and told my kids I was getting one. I just need to get rid of this 20 pounds of prednisone weight and the 150 pounds of A weight that is the ex and I will be on the way to the tattoo parlor.

NV - I really dislike tattoos that can be seen in polite society - mine are on the small of my back and my hip. I do not mean to offend anyone - but I hate seeing a really nicely dressed girl in a fancy outfit with a huge tatto on her sholder or somewhere visible. It just doesn't sit right. I also, btw HATE sleaves on men. Its too much! I think every tattoo should have a meaning and I just can't see that there is a meaning to all 400 on a mans arms.

Now you will all think I am a fuddy duddy.

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:47 PM

FMF_ um I think if you use the word fuddy duddy it automatically makes you one:) Just kidding hon...now you know we'd all be happy to help you with that 150 extra pound ex..I bet if we hit it hard enough it'll fall off and die:) Hey I think it was the simultaneous impulse of 2 intelligent, charmins, fabulous women...we should sync up and get them on the same day or something:)
CK- I'm so impressed that you can sew. I always wanted to be able to sew. I took a sewing class in school and after sewing my hair ( at the time waist length) into a waistband and then attempting a pair of shorts and coming up with a complete waistband and both legs on one side...I've given up! As for the chest thing...Since I've had these since 7th grade( oh holy hell that was 1987) when I weighted 90 pounds and I still have them even though I lost 120 pounds I'm kinda done with mine, but I figure if they work for you...go for it. Oh and out of curiosity have you ever had people assume you've had implants? I once had a woman I had never met come up to me and say "oh hon don't you know how dangerous those implants are?" Wanted to smack her!

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

PENGUIN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:50 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Boobs are distracting.

They sure are!

FMF: I don't think you're a fuddy duddy...especially since you're younger than me! I do agree on the tats. I've never been overly fond of them, but especially the public ones...male or female!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:55 PM

MSG- Bullet bike and expresso lip gloss. Hmmmm? That won't be leaving my mind for a bit.

CK- What kinda health problems are we talking about? Don't mean to pry, just concerned for my fellow BROWNCOATS.

FMF- You in no way bear any likeness to Elmer Fudd. (Giggles) I have to keep my pieces under wraps working in a facility with teens and all. Some sleeves are good and some are bad. It is all about taste and artistic expression. I must say that alot of the trainings and conferences I attend have alot of folks wearing long pants, long skirts, and long sleeved shirts. Alot of these folks are revered doctors and lawyers and working professionals. Kinda strange to see these people relaxing in another setting with a mix of elegant color and old street gang tat's.

SAFEAT2ND

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:56 PM

FMF, I agree with you. Anything done to excess doesn't always sit right with me.

When I was on the high school swim team, Alex Bauman was swimming for Canada in the Olympics (Now I show just how old I am). He had a Fleur de Lis (french thing) tattoo on his pec. I wanted to get a maple leaf. Still to date toy with the idea. But I'm not 17 anymore, while I'm still in decent shape, I'm not sure if I'm "too old" for it now. Plus I'm not keen on shaving my chest all the time.

Now I'm being the fuddy duddy...

Safeat2nd, Chief Handyman of Destiny

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:02 PM

I didn't get one until 1996. I figured I was old enough at that point. So age isn't the issue. If you want one, then get it. But remember, it never goes away! Even if you have it lasered, the tattoo will still be there in the skin, it just won't have color. Dang, a Fleur de lis sounds cool!

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:03 PM

DANG DOUBLE POST! CURSE YOUR SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL!

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:03 PM

then put it on your back Safe:) I don't think you can be too old for a tattoo..'sides it's not like you're 90:) You're not even old silly;)
NV- yeah I always love it when we get grown ups at our school doing a tour or wanting to see our programs and they end up mixing or talking to one of my wild kids..the contrast is cute ( as is the slightly fearful look on the grown up's face)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

13

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:09 PM

Not...fuddy...why does everyone have tattoos but me?

Oh, the 14 thing. Right.

On surgery: I suffer from a common birth deformity which causes my chest to dome inwards, creating an odd little pocket of incredibly hard bone. Occassionally handy, usually a nuisance, as It drives me away from swimming and other shirtless activities. It is gone as soon as possible.

On this morning: Well, I did it. Picked up a nasty scratch from flipping that gorram go-se quad (its actually pretty dashing, so I shouldn't complain!) but I did manage to get to her house.

Nothing particularly earth-shattering happened. I got to her house at some ungodly hour (was late, actually, on account of the Baja)and talked to her, about pretty much everything from two years ago to the present. Then I told her everything I'd felt for the last two years.

Didn't laugh, which is good. Didn't do the 'here's a stalker back away,' which is better. She was kind of buffaloed, apparently having no clue of it.

After the nostalgia-confession, just sat on the lawn and said nothing. After a half-hour of comfortable silence, she started to talk.

Told me she didn't feel the same, but that I'm still a friend, and then I left.

So, didn't go half as bad as I thought it would.

Questions, comments, queries? Alright, back to tattooes!

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:10 PM

Yep, I've lost weight and mine haven't budged either, hehe. I've lost 25 lbs since my husband and I got together (mostly by eating healthier in an attempt to make *him* lose weight, but that hasn't seemed to work, lol, and these last 10lbs have been due to illness), so now I'm 5'2", 110lbs, with 30FFs. We moved to southern California a few years ago, so between the way I'm built and living in the implant capital of the world, I'm pretty certain that everyone thinks they're fake, hehe. The funny thing is, I was asked about it *before* we moved down here but not once since. Implants are just so normal here, no one thinks to ask. However, doctors do like to ask me twice if I've ever had surgery, lol. Hard not to just give 'em the old

My mom started teaching me to sew when I was 8, and I'm glad she did. It's come in handy for making my own swimsuits and formal dresses, but my real love is making costumes! I haven't made a Firefly outfit yet, but I've got sketches lying around, hehe.

Oh and health problems -- autoimmune diseases mostly. I have thyroid disease, and another they're still trying to diagnose. Lot of joint pain, mostly hips and knees, for about 2.5 years now. They've ruled out arthritis in the joints and any neurological causes, so now they're looking at autoimmune diseases that cause inflammation in the base of the spine. I'm on a pile of prescriptions for all the different aspects of this, and I walk with a cane when I get really run down. My doctors are really careful about changing anything about my set up for fear that it'll aggravate this disease (they won't give me the flu shot because they're afraid it will make my over-aggressive immune system flip out again and attack something new), so surgery for breast reduction has to be put on hold. At this point I just want a diagnosis, so I know what I'm dealing with and what the long-term prognosis is.

But I really can't complain. Other than this health thing, my life is pretty sweet. I married a great guy, have a job that I love (working for my dad, no less!), and we just bought a place here in SoCal, so even the weather is good. My entire family are Browncoats (all nine of us, I kid you not -- though we're going to have to work on my brother's fiancée) and I'm close with all of them. Things are really really good. I just have some pain and get run down in the evenings, so I have to take it easy and sometimes walk with a cane. Things could be much, much worse. But thanks for your concern. :)

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:12 PM

Way to go 13!!!! You rock! Even if she didn't reciprocate you still showed a lot of confidence and courage and that by the way is the big secret to getting girls. If you have self confidence, you can usually attract any girl you're interested in. Not many 14 year old guys have the courage to lay it all out there like that so I am very impressed!
EDIT_ CK wow you are fantastic! It's so terrific to see someone with health problems who can be so positive and upbeat.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 13:
Not...fuddy...why does everyone have tattoos but me?

Oh, the 14 thing. Right.

On surgery: I suffer from a common birth deformity which causes my chest to dome inwards, creating an odd little pocket of incredibly hard bone. Occassionally handy, usually a nuisance, as It drives me away from swimming and other shirtless activities. It is gone as soon as possible.

Pectorus Excavatum. #2 has that. He is 15 and needs the surgery this summer. Are you having the bar put in, or the concave broken and reset?

Well I am sorry she doesn't return the feelings, but at least she knows, it is off you chest and you still have a friend!

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:15 PM

Hello, again, all...been away for a few hours, but I'm back...

NVGhostrider...see, if I didn't like the women-folk so much, I might be on my way to see you, too. I used to live in AZ, and we would often go tramping out into the desert in the middle of summer with all our guns...I miss those days!

Tatoos...I would like one, and will probably get one when I find an artist I trust...we have a lot of them around here, but I'd like to know who's putting ink in me before I sit down. Already have a design decided on, too.

I've got a bit of work to catch up on...I shall return shortly.

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:18 PM

"I don't believe there is a power in the 'verse that can stop Kaylee from being cheerful."

I definitely have my bad days, but the rest of the time I use that as my mantra, lol.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:19 PM

SAFE- Do It! Age has nothing to do with it. Symbolism and pride does. I'm not much for the Canadian aspect, but FMF's future MR is and I'd hate to piss her off.

FMF: You naughty women and all the Double Postey goodness! (Tries to stay on FMF's good side in fear of the earlier Canadian reference)

MSG- Luckily only a few of our kids have seen any of my tattoos and scars. Alot of the kids we see are quite atounded when they see the ink floating in our facility. Hell, even one of my co-workers/cousins who I'd known for forever was shocked when she found out that we frequent the same artist. You live in SLC, right? Makes sense, the shock and awe from a parent. (My little brother is LDS).

13

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:23 PM

I'll probably have to get the bar.

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:39 PM

NV- yup I live in SLC. My tat isn't visible for the most part although when I was doing stage crew last year I was leaned over the stage edge fixing a mic connect and I hear a student behind me sa" nice tat Ms.G" I about died :)My Serenity tattoo is going to be on the back of my neck or on my left front hip can't decide.

I may be rambling I am in a salad coma...made a homemade salad for lunch of baby greens, tomatos, avacado, left over chicken castellina, and vinegarette...mmmmmmmmmmmm sorry salad rhapsody over now

13- that sounds scary...HUGS

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

GED

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Even if she didn't reciprocate you still showed a lot of confidence and courage and that by the way is the big secret to getting girls. If you have self confidence, you can usually attract any girl you're interested in.

Heh, I'm 26 and I'm still trying to find the right one. It's hard sometimes. I just moved to Dallas and know very few people, and I'm not much for bars or clubs.

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:08 PM

13- You may never know how proud I am to call you a fellow BROWNCOAT. Not alotta young men these days are willing to bare their hearts to anyone let alone the subject of their affections. Hoohay for 13!!! So, ate crap on the way there huh? Was someone in a hurry. Had a co-worker whose little guy had the same problem with his chest. He's still too small to have it corrected. I wish you the best of luck.

MSG: Funny thing I observed on SLC. So many LDS buisness owners tend to outsource work to non LDS folks. Most of those jobs are the ones the church don't agree with too much. Love and hate the town alot. Think the same about Vegas. Nice to visit and nice to leave behind. Utah drivers really put love and faith in my heart. You can tell alot of folks in SLC are close to god by the way they drive. Plenty of guardian angels on those freeways.
I have to say their is definately something in the water in SLC. Lotta eye candy. Everyone should go there at least once.

Ramble, ramble, mumble, mumble. Think I'll eat lunch now. Left over enchiladas and rice.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:24 PM

Please stop talking about food you guys. I'm stuck at work and have no money.

Speaking of food, I was watching the View one day when one of the ladies referred to the Food Network as porn. And in a way she's right. So does anyone else here consider food to be an aphrodisiac?

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GED

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Please stop talking about food you guys. I'm stuck at work and have no money.

Speaking of food, I was watching the View one day when one of the ladies referred to the Food Network as porn. And in a way she's right. So does anyone else here consider food to be an aphrodisiac?

I love sushi! Sushi makes me happy.

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:27 PM

Amen to that!

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

13

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:30 PM

Deepgirl: What happened to Tidus? It was refreshing to know of another Final Fantasy Browncoat!

To NOT think about food, concentrate on BAD food, horrible tastes, like grass or mustard! Works for me when I'm hungry.

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'Maybe he's Canadian!'

TRISTAN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:32 PM

DeepGirl, absolutely! Food is a wonderful aphrodisiac. If the meal is done right, it can actually be good foreplay as well!

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DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 13:
Deepgirl: What happened to Tidus? It was refreshing to know of another Final Fantasy Browncoat!

Don't worry. Tidus will make another appearance. I'm just feeling kind of Jayne-ish right now.

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"What you plan and what takes place ain't ever exactly been similar."

SERYN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:35 PM

*first of all, i read FMF's blog posts this morning, so right now i'm going to apologise for whining about my life when I've got it pretty frickin easy compared. And if idid get £3000 together, it would be on its way to you. I hate those situations where you just have no clue what is going to happen, and if i could just suddenly come up with cash to send to you I so would.

*Second of all, Safe! get that tattoo! no more uming and ahhing. My mom was almost fifty when she got her first tattoo, and over fifty when she got the peircings, and she's currently designing her next tat. You are never too old!

I've decided that if i get this job the first months wage 'extra' is going on a celebratory tattoo (a Luna moth on a cherry blossom branch, and maybe the mandarin letters for 'meddle not with dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup' if I can find someone to translate them for me)
Basically, all the tattoo's I want are butterfly's - if I find the first one to be an ok experience, the second one will be a saturnid moth on my neck. And then I will stop, two is enough for any lady.
I thought about loosing weight first, and then I thought 'bugger that' I'd squander my entire life waiting to loose weight.

As for the age difference, i'm always unsure, my first boyfriend was 30 when i was 18, that was a little strange, but i felt ok about it. Then I met and fell for a guy who was 17 when I was 20, And ifelt like a cradle snatcher, even though the 17 year old was more mature in his behaviour!
I think under 18 is just a no go area if you are over 20. Saying that, I'd love to meet up with the guy now that he'll be 21 - prime of his life and all that...

I suppose thats one topic we have to cover sooner or later - the fat issue. Some people may all ready have read my 'opinion' on the rant thread in talk (i'll track it down if folks are interested)

I don't know what exactly to talk about - actually, i do, I'm technically fat. But i'm talking to a guy online who ireally quite like. Now its totally hypothetical, as he lives in london, the commute'd be a bitch, but if I moved to london or whatever, and he suggested meeting up, would it be something i'd need to bring up before hand? Would you think better of someone who just came straight out and said it? It a really stupid thing to make an issue of I know, and I wouldn't even think about it, but I went on a blind date once, and had to stand there feeling utterly humiliated as the tit realised it was me and his face fell. (i left shortly afterwards, but things like that stick when you are young)

er, well, discuss! :D

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DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:48 PM

The sane, logical part of me wants to say that a person that would be so shallow as to turn down someone because of weight deserves to go to the special hell. The rest of me knows that the chances of this happening is often slim.

I'm more than heavy myself, and have been for quite some time. As a result, I've reached the point where I rarely consider dating. Most of the time, I push the idea so far back into my mind that I don't even notice if someone is actually looking at me (it's been pointed out to before). Being fat tends to make me feel like there's no point to even consider dating. It's like, why bother, they'll just say no, if they notice you at all.

*sigh*
Okay, depressing rant over. Continue your normal activities.

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"What you plan and what takes place ain't ever exactly been similar."

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:50 PM

seryn

Thanks! That is sweet. Fortunately my mommy has ridden the white horse again and come to my recue!

As for the "fat" issue. Yeah you should tell, simply to save yourself from the idiots of the world. I don't think it should matter. But I have even seen some men on those personals sites make snide comments about "large women". Farging Iceholes!

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:04 PM

Hey Seryn I have to say there are lots of guys who think stick thin is scary and like a woman who looks like a woman and not a 12 year old boy...May I reccomend Delta Style ( great book) If you're worries about how the guy might receive you, suggest to him that you swap pictures...then you can know without having to be totally direct and don't assume because you aren't an anorexic 12 year old that he won't be interested...give guys more credit than that. There are some major a**holes out there ( about as many as there are b*tches) but lots of guys can see a lot more in a woman than her size! ( ok getting off soap box now)

NV- yeah scary scary LDS people you should see our liquor laws ( no you shouldn't they are insane) and our freeways make indy drivers run whimpering into the garage...they aren't for the faint of heart!

FMF_ I just love the parental rescue! Although I must say I bet you pull parental rescue regularly for your kids too....It must be a cyclical thing.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:30 PM

Y'all are too quick for me. Use the phone, miss five posts. Use the bathroom, miss ten.

Hell yes on the food idea. I love to cook and love to eat. Combine that with cold drinks and some one to squeeze on and I'd be in heaven.

The big girl thing. I must admit to crushing real hard on a black girl stationed at the Naval air station a few years ago. We used to hang out at a now closed local bar. Despite having plenty of soft spots, I really like her hanging on me. I usually like a more athletic body type with strategically significant soft spots, but dang. I really liked the way she felt.
Did I mention that I really liked the way she felt.
Seryn, be honest with the guy. Chances are there's plenty he ain't tellin' you. No guy would seriously tell you that he has small testicles or was over circumsized until you see for yourself. If he don't like it, F'em. The good thing about finding someone with extra weight is the suggestion of strenuous activity to work it off! (150 calories every 15 minutes I think)
But as usual, my closet womanizing keeps me in a place to be happy with just about anything.

MSG- Never drank while I was there. From what I understand , people with a good tolerance for alcohol go broke quick on account of the low alcohol content in Utah's beverages. I've heard of bring your own beer bars, but not BYOB states until I went to Utah.

FMF- Wish my mom would come to my rescue. Guess that's why I grew up too fast. She was too busy taking care of everyone else that I had to.
And on that note, start the psychoanalysis.

DG187: Loved the Tidus sig, Love the Jayne sig, got any Cloud sigs? (FF kids raise their hands)

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:39 PM

NV- yeah in Utah , by law, no drink can contain more than 1 1/2 shots of liquor, beer must be 6.8% alcohol only, you can only buy liquor in a state run liquor store that is not open sunday. The only alcohol sold in grocery stores is beer, if you have a club with a liquor license everyone in that club must be a member ( hence selling of cheap memberships at the door), and no restaurant is allowed to ask if you would like to have an alcoholic drink with your meal..they can only ask if you would like to see the special menu or use the special glasses....HELP ME I LIVE IN A THEOCRACY!!!
EDIT- and you though the alliance was interfering!
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:52 PM

Well, let me just butt in here and try to catch up. I read the whole thread so I've got a few things to say.

Age difference - My parents are seven years apart (Dad older than Mom) and they've been very happily married for 26 years. My dad often jokes that he couldn't find anyone his own age, so he cradle-robbed. My brother also got engaged last Xmas to a girl 6 years younger than him. I teased him about it at first, as is my right as little sister but she's actually perfect for him. Myself, I don't know. Ten years older than me would be absolute max, but I'm not sure about younger. Actually, there's this guy who's younger than me (he's 16, I'm 21) and I know he likes me, but I'm not sure if I should do anything about it. I think he's hot, but . . . yeah, I don't know.

Off topic - glad to see I'm not the only Browncoat/Final Fantasy fan! (Oh, wow, I'm a huge geek.)

Tattoos - I'd like to get one on each shoulder blade. One a Celtic cross and one a maple leaf. Since my family originally came from Ireland and is now Canadian, I thought it'd be a cool transition bit. But I'm not sure if the shoulder blade idea is good or not.

The weight issue - I know exactly what you're talking about, Seryn. I was fat all throughout high school and got teased a lot. Dated very little due to lack of offers and self-confidence, and went on many failed blind dates. Anyway, I lost about 70 pounds after high school (still have the D cups though, go figure) and I look way better now. Ironically, my love life is still Sahara-esque, so I'm beginning to think it's my personality. Oh well, at least clothes shopping is miles funner now. Anyway, I say send him a picture to show him how gorgeous you are. If he doesn't want anything to do with you after that, that's his loss. (Hmm, this attitude of mine could be why I don't have a man. *shrugs* Oh well.)

There, I think that covers everything.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

Like books? Go to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
to find out how to buy mine!

GED

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:13 PM

Deepgirl, I love your sigs!

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RUGBUG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:31 PM

Quote:
originally posted by nvghostrider:
Y'all are too quick for me. Use the phone, miss five posts. Use the bathroom, miss ten.

Do some work miss 10 posts, go to the doctor (arm/shoulder re-check) and miss about 50 posts....

13: Good on ya! You get major bonus points for putting yourself out there.

Tattoos: I've lately been thinking about the chinese characters for horse or equestrian. I've always wanted a tat, but haven't come up with something I would want on me forever. The logical thing is some type of horse design, but I've never seen one that inspired me to get it done. Have wanted a dragonfly in the past, but not so sure about that now. Still debating.

Seryn: Been there, done the whole weight thing. I'm actually up about 30 pounds from where I like to be due to this broken arm. It's killing me. I pretty much always feel fat, and now with 30 extra pounds it's that much worse. I lost a considerable amount of weight a few years back (although not nearly as much as MSG...you go girl!) and the thought of it all coming back on is haunting me.

I would try to exchange pictures before I met someone. And you never know, maybe you won't like the looks of him.

DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:35 PM

At the request of many, here are some shiny Final Fantasy icons:

We now continue with our regularly schedule programming...

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"What you plan and what takes place ain't ever exactly been similar."

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:52 PM

I wanted to edit my other post, but the board wouldn't let me. Basically it was more blather about weight. Seryn: better believe this guy has something he doesn't want you to know about him. So might as well be honest up front. The last guy I flirted with over the internet turned out to be about 2 inches shorter than me. That wasn't a deal breaker (he had a lot going for him otherwise: upper level event rider, aerospace engineer doing some really cool work with bone/facial reconstruction) but it did make him less attractive to me. I'm not a tiny little girl and I hate feeling like I am "bigger" than whoever I'm with.

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:54 PM

it's ok rugbug it happens to me everytime I go to my family's I get back and there are like 90 posts..oh well...In fact it'll probably happen again as I am on my way to tutor and then the gym, but I should be back in a few hours so TTFN:)

EDIT- hey being tiny sucks...I can never reach anything and I can never see what's going on and we even had to order a special teacher chair 'cause I couldn't touch the floor in the regular one, and once in elementary they played keep away...with me as the item not my stuff!! OK short person rant over. Seriously I think we all are who we are and it's silly to think one size is better than another!
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:57 PM

I do need to vent and may need some advice. My sister recently had court beause an issue with her newborn daughter and DCFS. Chances are there are at least three people in my house who know why. I know only because of the concerned folks in the same line of work as myself. I don't know how I will approach my sisters or, heaven forbid, my own mother. None of them have told me anything but I know everything. I just really dislike them all right now. And how will I deal with the fact that no one in my family have the nuts to tell me anything. Chances are I may end up with physical custody of a 2 1/2 year old and a newborn in the near future. I have only a shallow dilema. I wish to have a social life and to enjoy being young while I can. I'd taken care of kids and myself for most of what I can remember. I just feel really selfish on wanting things for myself. I guess this post has been brewing for about a week. Could anyone tell?

DG187- They're Fantastic.

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:09 PM

NV- That's not selfish that's honest. DO you really think there's a parent out there who at one time or another hasn't momentarily wished they were responsibility free?? HUGS that's a nasty and tough situation especially with no one telling you what is going on, though I'd bet you have a decent clue and are too kind to say. I'd suggest you check into babysitters and friends with kids who'd be willing to trade off some kid free time. It's a pain some, but kids rock! I know how you feel though there are many days where I am really tired of being the mommy to the world and wish someone would let me just go play for a bit:) Let us know if we can help any...I might point out the upside to your inner man whore. Nothing attracts women more than to see an unattached guy being a good daddy... You'd better get yourself a nice big stick to fight em off!!!! and women who date you can also watch the kids as a favor when you need alone time:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:16 PM

Wow, NV, you've got some stuff going down.

As far as custody goes...if it happens, you will step up. You already sound like you have a huge amount of love for these kids, and that capacity will only grow when they are your responsibility. Yeah, you will still need time for you, but I bet it won't be as much as you think it needs to be. As a sidenote, a man with kids is much more "eligible" than a woman with kids.

SERYN

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:36 PM

Oh, no, I like the look of him, without a beard, he looks like Chandler from Friends (a bit, when he was cute) with a bit of a beard, yes please! But like I said, its hypothetical anyway - it may only be a small counrty, but god do they charge you enough to travel accross it. And so far, apart from a little banter about him having to wear a floral bikini, theres been no real flirtation, he's just becoming a good online buddy.

I really must urge all you girls to stop worrying about excess pounds! Life really is far far far too short. It is bloody hard, it seems like at the moment, i go out to pubs or whatever and guys my own age virtually ignore me, but old blokes can't stop singing my praises. so i'm annoyed at the shallowness of guys my own age. But you have to stop thinking in terms of oh i'm fat, and start thinking 'well, what is good about me?'

Ok, homework, this is a cliche, but trust me it works!

Make a list on a tiny peice of paper, for example,

Bad things about me -

I'm fat.
When I'm nervous I talk total s***
I overthink.

Good things about me -

I have great skin, all over.
I have lovely hair, pretty eyes, and lips that celebrities pay millions for.
I'm actually qite funny, and often very witty, and when i'm not drivelling, i'm intelligent and have a good range of conversation.
At least I do think.
I look nothing like all the other girls.
Money saved on clothing means my collection of perfumes and chandelier earrings has benefited.
When i'm older, i'll still have younger looking skin and less wrinkles, while all these diet crazy super skinny girls will look like deflated balloons stretched over matchsticks with cats asses for mouths.
Hugging me feels really nice.
I've got more style, as I had to learn it.
I don't waste my money on 'womens' magazines, so I can afford more copies of Firefly - when mine get's 'borrowed' (and more earrings).

Whatever you want to write, then keep it in your purse and read it everyday, and whenever you feel low.

I'm determined i'm never going to diet for any reason other than my health (i'm going to have to start loosing it at some point, as I don't want to comprimise my health when i'm old) but things like getting a career going, finding a partner, whatever, i'm going to do them all regardless of the size of my ass.

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:38 PM

I've been away for awhile. My , I really missed this.

NV - Don't worry -you sound like you'll be a great dad if & or when it happens. Your concern alreaady shows that. And it's not selfish, it's very realistic. You do deserve a life of your own.And 2 children will prevent that for awhile.At least you know what to expect.
But there are always playgroups & babysitters that can be looked into.
I wish you and the kids all the luck in the verse.
And women do love a man with kids ! Very appealing.

Bryce
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I swallowed a bug.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:39 PM

Thanks ladies. Funny thing is MSG, I already have a big stick. Goes everywhere I do. Crafted it myself. Usually sits behind the seat of the truck within reach.

As appealing as it sounds, I'd rather not use the kids as chick magnets. I helped my best friend raise her son for the first two years of his life. Felt very guilty when I'd take him anywhere and the girlies would gather very quick. Ya know, maybe thats why he's my favorite of her three.

Just don't know what to do next. Might have to pull a 13. Nothing gets the blood pumping like executing a plan, does it.

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:50 PM

Sounds like there's nothing you can do , so don't fret too much .What will be will be.
Oh my I sound like my grandmother !
Anyway , at least you're no stranger to caring for younglings .The experience will help alot.
And take advantage of your time now, have some fun this weekend .

Bryce
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13

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:50 PM

Nothing does, NV.

And can executing a plan become known as 'pulling a 13?' I'd like to be immortalized!

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:12 PM

I would like define "Pulling a 13" as taking a risk despite the possible outcome, (ie. flipping quad, accepting friendship of crush, being Canadian)

Could be worse. Pulling a Joe (thats me) is when you try real hard but end up making things worse. I've accepted the alter ego of Chain Reaction Man. Able to keep the downward spiral rolling with a single action.

On a brighter note: My nephew Memo comes to watch TV with me afterword sometimes. Most of the time I'll have an episode of Firefly playing. He sits on my pillows and watches quietly. Until the beginning of the next episode of course. I love family sing alongs!

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:20 PM

Chain Reaction Man please let me introduce you to Blame Woman .
Something goes wrong you can just blame me . Go ahead, I can take it !

On another note, I'd like to say how much I enjoy this thread & all you shiny folk. Been down myself lately & you guys make the verse a little less lonely.

Bryce
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13

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:27 PM

They're a fun lot, the Imponderables! Forsaken are awesome too, although many Forsaken spend much time impondering.

Pulling a Joe, eh? At least it sounds cooler than my actual name...

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

MSG

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:56 PM

OK if you want to talk about uncool first names...try mine ( it's Lila) phonetically that would be Lie Lah ( I only do this becaus eI almost constantly have people either mispronounce it or call me Lisa:)
ok I like that. From now on when I do something guts and risky I shall call it pulling a 13

NV- Hey you can mold them to your will and turn them into great little people who grow into great big people just like you! I always love it when I catch my students repeating stuff I say or doing something I taught them:)As for the chick magnetness of babies ..it's unaviodable, unintentional ( on your part) so just consider it a side bennie:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, June 30, 2006 12:36 AM

Homework for y'all. I'm gonna pull a 13 in the next seven days. Several if the opportunity presents itself. Try to do the same and report back. I wanna make that cool little BROWNCOAT's name immortal.

MSG- This may work out. I've already got one hooked, just need to work on the other when she gets a bit older. Lila huh. I like it.

May have to subject myself to a bit of humiliation this weekend in the name of 13.
Little Albatross suggested I live it up a little this weekend. Gonna 13 my ass off. What do I have to lose?

I'm out for the night 'coats. Love you all!

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Friday, June 30, 2006 12:51 AM

I think Lila is a very nice name .
At least you don't have a boy's name . My mother thought Bryce was just so original for a girl . Lucky lucky me.I get mail all the time that addresses me as mr. Drives me nuts.
Not to mention how much I was teased as kid.

Bryce
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PIZ

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:28 AM

And now for something completely different (and likely to raise hackles). I didn't write this, just received it from a friend:

Quote:
One evening last week, my girlfriend and I were getting into bed.

Well, the passion starts to heat up, and she eventually says, "I don't feel like it, I just want you to hold me."

I said, "WHAT??!! What was that?!"

So she says the words that every boyfriend on the planet dreads to hear...

"You're just not in touch with my emotional needs as a woman enough for me to satisfy your physical needs as a man."

She responded to my puzzled look by saying, "Can't you just love me for who I am and not what I do for you in the bedroom?"

Realizing that nothing was going to happen that night, I went to sleep.

The very next day I opted to take the day off of work to spend time with her. We went out to a nice lunch and then went shopping at a big, big unnamed department store. I walked around with her while she tried on several different very expensive outfits. She couldn't decide which one to take, so I told her we'd just buy them all. She wanted new shoes to compliment her new clothes, so I said, "Lets get a pair for each outfit."

We went on to the jewelry department where she picked out a pair of diamond earrings. Let me tell you... she was so excited. She must have thought I was one wave short of a shipwreck. I started to think she was testing me because she asked for a tennis bracelet when she doesn't even know how to play tennis.

I think I threw her for a loop when I said, "That's fine, honey." She was almost nearing sexual satisfaction from all of the excitement. Smiling with excited anticipation, she finally said, "I think this is all
dear, let's go to the cashier."

I could hardly contain myself when I blurted out, "No honey, I don't feel like it."

Her face just went completely blank as her jaw dropped with a baffled, "WHAT?"

I then said, "Honey! I just want you to HOLD this stuff for a while. You're just not in touch with my financial needs as a man enough for me to satisfy your shopping needs as a woman."

And just when she had this look like she was going to kill me, I added, "Why can't you just love me for who I am and not for the things I buy you?"

Apparently I'm not having sex tonight either....but at least that b*tch knows I'm smarter than her.

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"That's what a government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

STILLFLYIN

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:48 AM

Okay, I'm speaking from a position of inexperience here, but I don't think that was a very good idea. Also, I may be coming off as unmanly here but, due to moral beliefs and personal feelings, I would rather just snuggle than go any farther than that. In a relationship, I'm looking for someone who I enjoy just being close to and holding and being around in general, because to me a relationship should be founded in the emotional and intellectual connection between the me and the other person, rather than in any purely physical attraction. Feel free to yell at me if I sound pompus or anything.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:42 AM

Oh my... I have to say, I find that totally hilarious. I just hope that he went on to break up with her. Though from the "I guess I'm not having sex tonight" comment, maybe he was actually trying to use it to *help* their relationship?! That I couldn't condone, but as a break up, I find it really funny.

I guess my reason for thinking this is that I generally believe that the gulf between men and women has been artificially widened -- mainly by women, IMHO as a woman, lol. Yes, men and women are different, mentally, physically, and spiritually, and even in same sex relationships, your partner will never approach everything exactly the same way you do. We're individuals, and we can never totally walk in someone else's shoes.

But I think a lot of women play up the "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" thing. What I want to know is did she pull that stunt on purpose -- did she get into bed with the idea of sexually frustrating him to draw attention to her unfulfilled emotional needs? If so, then that's exactly what I'm talking about. Women pulling the "you don't pay attention to my emotions" trump card at the most selfish times possible, just to manipulate their man into doing what they want. And if she did it on purpose, then I think she got what she deserved, lol. (If she didn't plan that stunt, then she needs to be a lot more aware of her timing!)

Even with all our differences, I think there is very little that can't be solved with love and good communication. Leaving the stunt in the bedroom aside for a moment, I've been where she's at -- feeling like there isn't enough emotional exchange in the relationship. Early in my relationship with my husband, I started to feel like I wasn't receiving enough affection from him. We had started dating while I was on a whole "I'm going to live my life even if I get hurt" kick, so I told him straight out, "I would like to get more affection." He wasn't, by nature, a constantly affectionate guy, but rather more all or nothing (ie, big romantic evening one day, then the next sit on the couch but not really snuggle). Whereas I was raised in a household where affection was constantly shown in little moments, where my parents always snuggled on the couch, or kissed in the kitchen, or whatever. We display our affection openly, in my family, so it was what I craved in a relationship. I knew that he felt that affection for me, he just wasn't used to showing it in small ways 24/7.

I think I kinda shocked him with the request. I remember him saying it was a really strange thing to ask for, but he said he would work on it. We started developing little things that meant something only to us, started saying "I love you" out of the blue, started sitting closer together. We're both big gamers, so when we moved in together (against my parents' wishes, btw, but like I said, I was on that whole "I'm living my life even if I get hurt" kick), we bought a big dining room table to put our computers on. We still play games sitting right next to each other. Less than a year after my request, we were married, and we've really evolved into a couple that does lots of little things but few big things, and we both like it that way.

My point in all this is that I *asked* for what I needed. I did it during the day, when we were both in good moods, and hadn't had a recent fight or anything of the sort. I think in general humans spend way too much time trying not to be hurt, way to much time shielding our true feelings and our real meanings. If you go to someone you love and who loves you and say "I need this", without manipulation or coercion (whether by sexual frustration as above, or by tears, or whatever), and the other person approaches that statement with equal love and honesty, then I think there is very little that can't be worked out.

Hmm, now that I think about it, maybe I've been channeling 13 all this time. Or, you know, Zoe: "I'm not so afraid of losing something that I won't try havin' it."

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:51 AM

Oh wow, I passed out this morning and slept all day! I have missed a lot! A whole new thread!
Age difference? Well, I've had several opinions on this, so bear with me. When I was younger - in my teens - I thought that even a few years was a little too much. But as I kept not getting dates because no one my age was, well, mature, I upped it a little. Now I basically would feel weird dating anyone older than my brother, who is 6.5 years older than me - getting ready to turn 28 - but as I get older still that might be upped again. The older you get, the more likely you are to be at the same place in life with someone older than you, which is really what it's all about. I'm probably not at the same place in life as a 30 year old, so it might be a little strange to date one. Other than that, I think a good rule of thumb is "If you're old enough to be my parent, you're too old to date me." That can technically be an age difference of as little as 14 years, but 18-20 or after is probably more common to have children. I've always thought men dating someone who looked like their daughter was creepy. Women dating someone who looks like their son is equally creepy, just a little less common. Long answer short (too late) if they could concievably have a child my age, it's no dice. I do tend to date older people, and be friends with older people, because a lot of people my age are reckles or immature or something. Although age isn't everything when it comes to maturity; Ex of Doom was 4 years older than me, and he still cared more about his toys than his own well-being.
I remember at one point I was talking to this guy at a grad party, a cousin of a really good friend at the time, and we babble about Star Wars for about two hours. It was really funny because he kept saying things like "Where were you when I was in high school?" and my Dad walked by at one point and said "She was in third grade!" or something along those lines. Poor boy blushed pretty badly.
We seem to have touched on tattoos again. Everyone has them, even the innocent. Everyone except me. (Heh, I know that's not true, but it's close to true and kinda funny.) I know I said this before, but I have such sensitive skin and other workings that i'm not sure what a tat would do to me. Plus anything that is meaningful enough to be branded on my skin is already branded on my heart, so I don't need to show it. Plus, I agree on the overdoing it thing, and I think there are too many people wh get addicted to the ink "high" which really kinda bothers me.
Ohhhhh, aphrodesiac food! Yes! It depends on the day and my mood, but there have definitely been times I've had some kind of foodgasm or had food otherwise put me in the mood. I think it's the mark of a truly sensual person if they really enjoy good food. Oh, strawberries, raspberries, chocolate, cheesecake, sushi... almost anything can be good if it's really well-prepared, though.
Fat issue, well, that's delicate isn't it? It depends for me. I have been in love with a few overweight people, and dated some pudgy people, and never minded. It becomes an issue to me when the body is so big it limits access to the mouth for kisses; that is just awkward, you know? As for saying something about it, I would want to know any outstanding physical feature before I met someone. I went on a blind internet date with someone once and he was nearly seven feet tall, which was a huge shocker. Not bad, but I know my eyes went wide and I think that hurt his feelings. But I think it shouldn't matter so much what someone looks like as long as you're compatible.
Oh dear NV, I'm sorry to hear that you may end up with your sister's children. It's too bad when people can't take care of their kids, but hey, it's nice they can have you!
I hated my name in school, had a lot of silly insults thrown my way. Now I know what all the symblism of the Rose is (both the symbol of the coming Buddha AND the Sacred Feminine) and I would never, ever pick a different name. In fact, I love my full name and it's meaning; "Armored Rose of Light" or something to that

PIZ

Friday, June 30, 2006 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
My point in all this is that I *asked* for what I needed.

I wonder what that would be like.

Never experienced it in my (long since ended) marriage.

Quote:
If you go to someone you love and who loves you and say "I need this", without manipulation or coercion (whether by sexual frustration as above, or by tears, or whatever),

Again, wondering what that would be like.

Not to say I was perfect (who is?), but that kind of manipulation (along with, I found out far after the fact, several instances of something a married person isn't supposed to do) is largely the reason I'm still, and likely will forever remain, single. Nearly all the women I've dated since then have only confirmed my conclusion, which is, as Jayne sagely put it, "I say as a rule that girlfolk ain't to be trusted."

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"That's what a government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

TRISTAN

Friday, June 30, 2006 1:25 PM

Morning, all!

Seems like I missed a bit, too.

Weight--should not really be an issue. I am not a big fan of stick figures, but I am also not a fan of a woman who is at an unhealthy weight. If a person is comfortable with their body and has no health problems, it should not be an issue. Unfortunately, as y'all have pointed out, there are many shallow people in the world.
NVGhostrider, I am sorry you found out what you found out how you found out...damn, that's a mouthful; I hope it made sense. You are not being selfish, you are being realistic. I know enough about you that you will be there if necessary, and will do what needs to be done.
13, I have not had a chance to say so, but what you did took guts. Thank you for sharing with the class
MSG, I love your first name!
LittleAlbatross29, Bryce is also a very pretty name. I don't think it's manly-sounding at all.
Piz, thank you for that! I have seen that somewhere before, and laughed out loud. Personal opinion time: I firmly believe that it is important to find a SO that completes you emotionally, intellectually, etc, but a MAJOR part of any serious relationship is the sexual liasons. Humans, when you boil it down, are sexual beings; some more so than others, yes. I do not think a relationship should be built purely on sex, but on mutual trust, likes, goals, etc. Attraction is important, too, but a relationship should not be based on "Oh, they're pretty. I will marry them and all will be well". I also realize that the sex between a new couple is intense, deeply satisfying, and frequent, and that the passion seems to cool down as you spend more time together. Passions cool, sex becomes somewhat routine and predictable, and one or the other partner becomes bored. You try to throw new things into the mix, the partner is not interested. You end up wondering if this is what it's going to be like for the rest of the relationship.
CaliforniaKaylee, I understand about the affection thing. I may be odd, in that I am a male that likes to have affection showed towards me...but I am also an affectionate person. I do, however, mold my behavior on my partner's, so if there is a slacking of affection from her, I reciprocate. I am glad yours seems to have worked out for you. It's kind of an object lesson to all of us: if you want something from your partner, don't be afraid to ask!
I have a lot on my mind today, apparently, but I don't want to have a novella as my first post!
I shall return with more later.

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MSG

Friday, June 30, 2006 1:50 PM

Morning all- Ok Piz I loved that. It reminds me of those women who make me mental. When their SO asks what they want as a gift they say "oh anything is fine", but they have a specific thing in mind and when their SO doesn't get the hint and produce the correct present they get all angry that their SO doesn't know them....since when did relationships come with psychic powers...I'm with CK if you want something or need something open your yap and ask...it's just one of those DUH! moments. If something bugs you or causes you a problem in the relationship then say so! Don't expect the other person to translate a sulky "nothing" into " hey I'm pissed you didn't take out the garbage for the 5th week in a row and I had to do it and was late to work" I think this is why almost all my friends are male. Guys are easier, for the most part. They are pretty straight forward.If they are mad, they act mad and yell at you about what you did. I find that far easier than fake happy with later unkindness and sniping... OK now my post is long too. This is turning into long post day.
I have to go take my husband's car to be fixed, but hopefully ( fingers crossed) this shan't take long! HUGS to all

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

COPILOT

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:22 PM

This is soooo cool!!!!!!!!!!
I got laid!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post ex coming over and making me cry
Twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Copilot

An I carried such a torch

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:23 PM

morning all.

I have a question. Well really I just need thoughts. I have dark brown hair. Liberally laced with grey (I started going gray at 27) I die my hair, but it gets darker and darker - I am thinking of just going all silver. Sort if like emmylou harris

I guess I am wondering if this will just make me look old?

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by copilot:

This is soooo cool!!!!!!!!!!
I got laid!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Post ex coming over and making me cry
Twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Copilot

An I carried such a torch

YAY for the sex! YAY

was it worthwhile?

13

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:02 PM

Yay for sex!

MSG: Lila!? LILA!? Lila is a hell of a lot better than freakin' 'Braedan Alexander!' Now, thanks to my brother, everybody in school refers to me as 'Bra,' 'Brady,' 'Breeding,' and can NEVER spell it right! No idea how many gifts or cards I've opened to see: BREADEN. Okay. Name rant over. Ms. Lila G...nice ring to it.

FMF: Once you go gray, there ain't no other way!
Jus' kidding. Gray can very attractive, actually. When it starts to fall out, then you've got a problem.

YAY FOR SEX!

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

MSG

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:11 PM

Thanks 13 ( and I think Braeden is a lovely scottish name...means valient warrior)
FMF- Why don't you do something fun and wild before you decide. DO a light brown with gold highlights or a nice soft reddish brown..that'll look good and need less work 'cause it's lighter. If you don't like that..go grey:) I think you'll be hot no matter what
Copilot...oooh nothing like getting some to make the day a bit brighter;)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:15 PM

13

Braeden Alexander is cool! I assume it is pronounced Bray-den? Thats cool. Even if it isn't pronounced that way.

And I will make sure it doesn't fall out!

MSG - Lila is a beautiful name. At least it isn't boring like Tracy and you didn;t have to listen to Dick Tracy jokes your whole life!

MSG

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:22 PM

No that's true, but actually ( not kidding here) I desperately wanted to be named Tracy...the cutest girl in our whole elementary school was named Tracy and I envied her...and as Lila is actually short for Delilah, there are a lot of worse jokes available...plus no one ever got my name right ( still don't for that matter)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

13

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:24 PM

Hey, FMF, where's Madonna? Heh. Sorry.

It is pronounced Bray-den, and I don't like it because it makes me think of dwarves, hobbits, and ponies with pink ribbon.

And it's 'Braedan,' with an A. I've said that more times than there are days I've been alive. It's my catchphrase!

Once again, YAY FOR SEX!

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'I don't know. He seems kind of peculiar.'

'Maybe he's Canadian!'

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:31 PM

Madonna is in England attempting to forge an English accent.

You can take the girl out of Detroit, but you can't take.......

I declare that "Braeden with an A" is the coolest name on the planet.

Unless you are Scout. Then that is cooler.

MSG, my dad's best friend up in t'holler was a Tracy.

I never knew any but 1, until I moved to the UK. I was then the middle house in 3 that had wives named Tracy and of course there is the bigamist wife name Tracy.

I think I need a new name. I am thinking of going my my middle name of Renee.

As for lighter brown - I have done it all. I am just tired of the sudden and inevitable greys peeping through the dye. AARRRHHHGGGGGGHHHHHH

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:33 PM

Before I get going I'd like to extend a big HOORAY to our lovely little COPILOT. I'm so happy for you. RIGHT ON!

FMF- I-ve had a white streak since I was about 13. Needless to say I don't have alot to say about the grey.

13-Glad to have a more innocent point of view present. Kinda refreshing.

TRISTAN- Where ya been hoss?

So here it is. I spoke a little too soon. About the time I posted the issues with my sister and her kids yesterday, a search warrant was executed at our house. She's charged with three counts of posession of drug paraphenalia and three counts of posession with intent to distribute. Her boyfriend, (an illegal immigratant), has the same drug charges plus posession of a short barreled shotgun. Oh what a day. Tired.

MAL: "What happen about me?"

TRISTAN

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:34 PM

Copilot, good on yer! Sex...wow...sex is good, when you can get it! Enjoy!

FMF, you would look gorgeous with siler hair...yup, may have to tie my jaw back up after thinking about that one...

13, you will appreciate that name when you get older. It is very strong.

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TRISTAN

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:36 PM

NVGhostrider! 'Sup?
I have been getting slammed at work lately...been around, but only long enough to post something short and disappear again...sorry about that!
Damn...sorry to hear about your troubles. Wish there was something we could do other than say "damn"...

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