This is going to piss some people on this site off...

POSTED BY: Khyron
UPDATED: Friday, June 30, 2006 06:19
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KHYRON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:32 AM

... then again, what does the opinion of people in other countries matter, right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077984.stm

THe first paragraph reads: "People in European and Muslim countries see US policy in Iraq as a bigger threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear programme, a survey has shown."

Here's the poll itself: http://pewglobal.org/

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:29 AM

I resent that! Why isn't Canada included as well.

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FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:36 AM

*snort*

Hell, I would lay good odds that a substantial percentage of people in THIS country see US policy in Iraq as a bigger threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear programme.

The one sure thing about stupidity is that revulsion for it crosses all barriers of language and culture.

-Frem

HARDAN

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:42 AM

Well, speaking for myself, I have to say that the Nuclear Program in Iran worries me as far that it might end up the same as in Irak.

At the moment a diplomatic solution looks probable to me and I have no problem with Iran having nuclear powerplants (why use the oil if you can sell it for a lot of money, right?). If they agree to controls by the IAEA, of course.

The situation in Irak is, that it is bad and it doesn't seem to get better. (and as an european smart-ass I'd have to say: "TOLD YOU SO!"). If the US leave, were going to have a civil-war ending up in a new religeous islamic country. If not, nothing is going to change.

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KHYRON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Hell, I would lay good odds that a substantial percentage of people in THIS country see US policy in Iraq as a bigger threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear programme.

According to http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=252 (scroll down a bit), 31% of Americans think US policy in Iraq is a great danger, so that's pretty substantial. 46% think that Iran's nuclear programme is a great danger (and 34% see North Korea as a great danger, 43% the Middle-East).

Hardan, have to agree with you on all points. The US has really dug a hole for themselves in Iraq and it's kind of a case of "damned if you leave, damned if you don't".

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

SASSALICIOUS

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:39 AM

Canada isn't included because we all know it's just an extension of the U.S.

but it seems you didn't know this . . . .maybe it was supposed to be a secret . . . .

SHIT!

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CHOO1701

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sassalicious:
Canada isn't included because we all know it's just an extension of the U.S.

but it seems you didn't know this . . . .maybe it was supposed to be a secret . . . .

SHIT!

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DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Hell, I would lay good odds that a substantial percentage of people in THIS country see US policy in Iraq as a bigger threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear programme.

The one sure thing about stupidity is that revulsion for it crosses all barriers of language and culture.

I agree totally, although I'll make an addendum saying that Bush being president is probably the biggest threat to world peace.

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MSG

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:08 PM

Absolutely Deepgirl... I feel like wearing an " I didn't vote for him so don't blame me" tee-shirt every time I travel. There's just nothing like having that embarrassing excuse for a president to make you embarrassed to admit to being American.

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
There's just nothing like having that embarrassing excuse for a president to make you embarrassed to admit to being American.

I won't travel to another country 'tll he's gone I'm so embarrased.

However, if he pulls that president for life thing off, I will move to another country, if I can...

Je'mapelle Chrisisall

RUE

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:26 PM

Putting a Canadian maple leaf on you luggage is helpful.

MSG

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:30 PM

and I will be right behind you Chris... I may begin packing as the election nears:)

You're only young once, but you can be immature any time!

KHYRON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:41 PM

If you're all going to follow Chris into French Canada or wherever he's planning to go, just remember, it's "je m'appelle". Not the way he wrote it.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
... then again, what does the opinion of people in other countries matter, right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5077984.stm

THe first paragraph reads: "People in European and Muslim countries see US policy in Iraq as a bigger threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear programme, a survey has shown."

So people in the rest of the world agrees with the people in this country on that point.

Now if we could only get the government of this country to agree with the people of this country.

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So, uh, out of curiosity what was supposed to piss us off about that?

KHYRON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:52 PM

Well, as I said, it's "only" about 31% of Americans that think the US poses a great threat, which is definitely substantial but less than the 46% that think Iran poses a great danger. Most other countries have more people that think the US is a big threat compared to people that think Iran is a big threat.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:56 PM

To become a US citizen you have to renounce other citizenship, provided you are not born that way, but the reverse does not hold true. I know that you can become French through marriage, my aunt did that, what are other ways to be part of a different country.

Is there a way I could stay American but have a Canadian passport as well? You know, for protection in other countries.

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By the way,

The only thing that would annoy me, on this topic, is if someone tried to convince me it matters when people think, "All Americans are fat and stupid," or, "Every American is either a hate monger or an apathetic bastard." I'm more annoyed by the idea that I should care about what a bigot who judges people before he or she meets them thinks than I am at the bigot's actual thoughts.

In this case nothing of the sort came up so I'm totally non-pissed.

KHYRON

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Is there a way I could stay American but have a Canadian passport as well?

Not too sure, but I do know somebody who was born and raised in Canada but also had an American passport simply because his mother was American (his father was Canadian). But he was born a significant number of decades ago (a nice way of saying he's an old man), and it's likely that the laws have become stricter since then.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

SASSALICIOUS

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:11 PM

I've found that most people will get to know you before they do the "Evil American" generalization. But when I'm dealing with a potentially sketchy person, I have absolutely no problem saying I'm from Canada.

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Is there a way I could stay American but have a Canadian passport as well?

Not too sure, but I do know somebody who was born and raised in Canada but also had an American passport simply because his mother was American (his father was Canadian). But he was born a significant number of decades ago (a nice way of saying he's an old man), and it's likely that the laws have become stricter since then.

I know about that kind of thing, it's simple really, prove that at least one of your parents is American and you are one two, no matter who you are or where you're from.

But being born isn't the only way to become a citizen, though it helps if you've done that first.

Dual citizens aren't too rare, My Aunt is a dual citizen France and US as are her two kids. A quick look says that under Canadian law you don't need to renounce earlier citizenships to become a Canadian so in theory they could all become tri citizens if they were to become permanent residents of Canada and jump through the appropriate hoops, doesn't look there are that many hoops either.

I don't think I was all that far from being Canadian actually, if I'd been a bit premature I would have been.

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I have a problem, I say something random about citizenship, and then I feel the need to do research on the topic for no real reason other than saying something randomly.

SONOFMAN

Monday, June 19, 2006 8:19 AM

my problem is that the entire nature of the war is illegitimate. not because there were no WMDs, but because Saddam was put in power by our own CIA to begin with. as throughout history, revolutions and counter-revolutions have been orchestrated by interests with the gain of consildating power. we know that our government has plotted to attack us as a pretext for invasion before(operation northwoods), and in this case even released plans to invade Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran following a 'pearl harbor-like attack' (PNAC documents)3-5 yrs prior to 9/11 and the '03 invasion.

pro-war apologists will claim that the US had "moral and legal authority," to remove Saddam, but when the reality and nature of war in general is highly political, and frankly sinister and diabolical, then such arguements are irrelevent outside the theoretical bubble theyre propogated in

the war in Iraq is really a re-establishment of a pro western style government that is proven to be manipulate-able by the elite. the central banks, the royal families, and transnational corporations are plotting to destroy all global sovereignty.

this is what happened with Iraq: they tried with Saddam, but he became an independant megalomaniac, apart from the globalists, and they had to dethrone him. thats all thats happening! there is nothing benevolent about it. it makes me sick to see people giving these actions justification, when these same people who are shaping global politics are also actively seeking to enslave, dehumanize and regulate the worlds "subhuman" (in their minds) working classes

this elite shadow government loves to create chaos, because amidst the fear and instability, people clamor for security and safety, and this leaves them the oppertunity to swoop in, with this for-ordained plan for control. this has been the catalyst for these people to obtain the wealth and control up to present; to steal everything that once belonged to people rightfully, through the propogation of fear and war

the problem with us Americans, and the world over, is that unless we comprehend the magnitude of this conspiracy, people will foolishly be caught up in a Lie, a reality opposite of the truth, to your own peril. it seems the democrats have an agenda to promote the failure of the war, because the globalists dont intend to leave; and the republicans will keep pushing for Iraq and the war on terror because theyre using America as the engine to create this mechanism that will become a one world economy, one world fascist plutocracy police state.

the thing is, real issues cant be avoided, so since both parties are controlled, they cant be so obvious as to both support the (luciferian) grand agenda. so the issues must be taken and spun in the favor of the globalists, with the parties giving 2 sides to the same arguement.

for example, in this illegal immigration debate, shouldnt Mexicos economy and government be scrutinized for the situation theyve created? or the American elite for profiting from slave labor? but NO! instead our 2 primary parties give us the option of amnesty, a guest worker program, an ID card, or a wall. none of which resolve the problem, but deflect it onto we middle class Americans. only from the truth can you establish a solid foundation, but their is no intention to tell the public the truth. thats a case in point.

i dont know about Iran, but i am highly skeptical of everything that is happening, just remember that you cant listen to what the politicians tell you; they are selling you on something, telling you something which is a highly sanitized half truthful rhetorical arguement; but obvserve their actions. if youll notice, all signs are pointing to the deliberate creation of a "new world order"

SONOFMAN

Monday, June 19, 2006 8:19 AM

my problem is that the entire nature of the war is illegitimate. not because there were no WMDs, but because Saddam was put in power by our own CIA to begin with. as throughout history, revolutions and counter-revolutions have been orchestrated by interests with the gain of consildating power. we know that our government has plotted to attack us as a pretext for invasion before(operation northwoods), and in this case even released plans to invade Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran following a 'pearl harbor-like attack' (PNAC documents)3-5 yrs prior to 9/11 and the '03 invasion.

pro-war apologists will claim that the US had "moral and legal authority," to remove Saddam, but when the reality and nature of war in general is highly political, and frankly sinister and diabolical, then such arguements are irrelevent outside the theoretical bubble theyre propogated in

the war in Iraq is really a re-establishment of a pro western style government that is proven to be manipulate-able by the elite. the central banks, the royal families, and transnational corporations are plotting to destroy all global sovereignty.

this is what happened with Iraq: they tried with Saddam, but he became an independant megalomaniac, apart from the globalists, and they had to dethrone him. thats all thats happening! there is nothing benevolent about it. it makes me sick to see people giving these actions justification, when these same people who are shaping global politics are also actively seeking to enslave, dehumanize and regulate the worlds "subhuman" (in their minds) working classes

this elite shadow government loves to create chaos, because amidst the fear and instability, people clamor for security and safety, and this leaves them the oppertunity to swoop in, with this for-ordained plan for control. this has been the catalyst for these people to obtain the wealth and control up to present; to steal everything that once belonged to people rightfully, through the propogation of fear and war

the problem with us Americans, and the world over, is that unless we comprehend the magnitude of this conspiracy, people will foolishly be caught up in a Lie, a reality opposite of the truth, to your own peril. it seems the democrats have an agenda to promote the failure of the war, because the globalists dont intend to leave; and the republicans will keep pushing for Iraq and the war on terror because theyre using America as the engine to create this mechanism that will become a one world economy, one world fascist plutocracy police state.

the thing is, real issues cant be avoided, so since both parties are controlled, they cant be so obvious as to both support the (luciferian) grand agenda. so the issues must be taken and spun in the favor of the globalists, with the parties giving 2 sides to the same arguement.

for example, in this illegal immigration debate, shouldnt Mexicos economy and government be scrutinized for the situation theyve created? or the American elite for profiting from slave labor? but NO! instead our 2 primary parties give us the option of amnesty, a guest worker program, an ID card, or a wall. none of which resolve the problem, but deflect it onto we middle class Americans. only from the truth can you establish a solid foundation, but their is no intention to tell the public the truth. thats a case in point.

i dont know about Iran, but i am highly skeptical of everything that is happening, just remember that you cant listen to what the politicians tell you; they are selling you on something, telling you something which is a highly sanitized half truthful rhetorical arguement; but obvserve their actions. if youll notice, all signs are pointing to the deliberate creation of a "new world order"

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:45 PM

Canada isn't included because there are some of us coughMEcough who question whether or not it actually exist. Its a conspiracy...just like Iowa!

As for being too embarrased to travel. Poppycock! When I am over the pond, I simply point out the idiots in every other government in the world and say I will explain Bush when you explain (insert idiot here). Besides, I never had any problem because I am not loud and obnoxious. Those Americans that are loud, obnoxious, lacking in manners and etc, deserve to be embarrased. Because they are embarrasing.

BROOKLYNBROWNCOAT

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Canada isn't included because there are some of us coughMEcough who question whether or not it actually exist. Its a conspiracy...just like Iowa!

As for being too embarrased to travel. Poppycock! When I am over the pond, I simply point out the idiots in every other government in the world and say I will explain Bush when you explain (insert idiot here). Besides, I never had any problem because I am not loud and obnoxious. Those Americans that are loud, obnoxious, lacking in manners and etc, deserve to be embarrased. Because they are embarrasing.

Well said; i travel alot, especially to Europe, and i am always emabaressed by the way some Americans behave in foreign lands. it makes it hard for normal folk like myself. I've traveled to Amsterdam many times (hard to believe but true) and the only nationality the dutch seem to hate more than us are the Brits

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MISSTRESSAHARA

Friday, June 30, 2006 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Canada isn't included because there are some of us coughMEcough who question whether or not it actually exist. Its a conspiracy...just like Iowa!

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CANTTAKESKY

Friday, June 30, 2006 5:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
To become a US citizen you have to renounce other citizenship,

The US allows concurrent citizenship with other countries that also allow it. Many Jewish folks are both citizens of the US and Israel, for example.

I know a guy who has 4 passports: American, Canadian, British, and Irish. He was born of Irish parents in Britain, immigrated to and grew up in Canada, and married an American.

Speaking of traveling, most people don't have a problem distinguishing between you and your government. They know their govts don't represent THEM, so it isn't a stretch to believe yours doesn't represent you. I traveled in Egypt just last year and had no problems with the mountains of Egyptians who hate Bush. We just Bush-bash together. :)

And yes, it helps if one is polite and not rude. I am much more embarrassed by fellow American travelers than I am our govt.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

KANEMAN

Friday, June 30, 2006 6:02 AM

Aren't Muslim extremists, a nuclear Iran, Communists, and Terrorists all bad?...The funny thing about it is that they all hate America because we are viewed as "Liberal"...What I mean is that they all hate Women's rights, Gay rights, The right to choose etc....That is how they see America...Then why is it always American "Liberals" defending them?..They would have you killed in a second....Thank god for American War-Hawks(lib or Conserv)..if you are gay, a woman, Jewish, Christian, even CANADIAN...THANK THE AMERICAN GOVENMENT FOR KEEPING YOU ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!

KANEMAN

Friday, June 30, 2006 6:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Khyron:
Well, as I said, it's "only" about 31% of Americans that think the US poses a great threat, which is definitely substantial but less than the 46% that think Iran poses a great danger. Most other countries have more people that think the US is a big threat compared to people that think Iran is a big threat.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

How is that questioned asked?.." would you______"fill in country"_____fear the US or Iran?.. those who said the USA... are the ones I fear...If the question was "who is most apt to blow up this world, enslave your women, beat any god besides Allah, blow up every other country, blow yours up again, and then get 72 virgins for their trouble?" ....DON'T bother answering....minions? I'll take minions....praise be to Allah!!!