Male and Female Imponderables--Why, Then The World's My Oyster

POSTED BY: Tristan
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DEEPGIRL187

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:32 PM

Strange though it may be, I haven't actually heard Clapton's version. Though personally when it comes to Marley, I'm a bit of a purist. Which brings about another quasi-imponderable: Do you guys prefer an original version of a song, or it's cover?

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"These words are all I have so I'll write them."

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:34 PM

I collect business cards from restaurants, and venetian masks. Ok, so I only have one at the moment, but as soon as I get some cashy money, I fully intend to get more! Lots more!
I got it from this teeny shop in Wales somewhere that imports them from venice, and I annoyed the hell out of the guy in there, buy making him take practicly every single one off the walls, then taking a full hour and a half to choose!

Eagles may soar, but ferrets don't get sucked into jet engines.
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

KENOBIUS

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Smartbutdumbblonde:

Got a question., but it isnt really an imponderable: What weird things do you lot collect?

I'm collecting random shiny stuff for my treasure chest, that weird enough?

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TRISTAN

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:36 PM

Good one, Deepgirl.
There are covers I have heard that suck, and then there are those that transcend the original. A case in point is Disturbed's version of Land of Confusion. I liked the original, but love this one. I can't think of any more really good ones at the moment (very busy today, brain stuck on business)...

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DAYVE

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:42 PM

i've got boxes of old cameras - brownie hawk eyes, old mat cameras - even an odd 3D one - plus various film equipment, b&w darkroom stuff - and lots of things that should be junked - and i'm not a pack-rat, just likes the old stuff - also i have a few comics that i've held on to - like an R.Crumb ZAP - #1, some Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers.... old stuff you can't find anymore....

usually, i just try to collect my thoughts.... (hence the fortress of solitute...)

endeavor to persevere...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:43 PM

No offense intended Tristan, the Canadian thing is just for laughs. But I am serious about the French thing. Not a big fan. Unless of course she is French and I'll never see her again. (JOKES)

What else ya got RUGBUG. I'm such a fool for music. Can't help it. Like to play a wide range of things, especially when my nephew is in the truck. He'd pretty much had to listen to the Mexican band music since he was born. I like it too, but only in small doses and only if there is beer and dancing. Lots of beer.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

TRISTAN

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:48 PM

NVG, I also hate the French. Which is ok with the Quebecois inside me...they hate everyone. Trust me, it's not worth getting involved with a French woman...they will suck your soul dry and leave you an empty, rotting husk. Then, it takes the love of a good woman to make you live again. Um...where was I going with this...oh, yes, the French. I like the wine, some of the foodstuffs, but the people, culture, and ideals...naw, they can keep 'em.

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SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:51 PM

Here is something I learnt the other day, said by an American, but I am English so I am allowed to repeat it, also, I think its' quite true..
"The only good thing about the English is that they hate the French."

My household is not a french friendly one. My parents went to France loooong before I was born, and when they got off the train, the first thing they saw was a guy having a go-se on the pavement.

Eagles may soar, but ferrets don't get sucked into jet engines.
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

RUGBUG

Friday, July 14, 2006 7:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Which brings about another quasi-imponderable: Do you guys prefer an original version of a song, or it's cover?

I can usually enjoy both but it really depends on the quality of the cover. As for as recent covers (ones that have rcvd radio play) go:

Seal trumps Alanis Morrissette (Crazy)
The Cure trumps 311 (Love Song)
Alien Ant Farm trumps Michael Jackson (Smooth Criminal)
Cake trumps Bread (Guitar Man)
New Order trumps Orgy (Blue Monday)
New Order trumps ???? (Bizarre Love Triangle)

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:02 PM

That can't be true. Another good thing: We kicked your asses and gained independence. Please, take no offense to this. Look how America turned out. Self indulgent, greedy, and uncaring of the poor and weak around them. I have to be held guilty for being just that. I threw money at problems and hoped they'd get better. My hands have been dirtied and my own self righteousness has condoned those things. Bad ia bad. No matter how good the cause. I know so many Americans who justify things on account they are free to do so.
And one more thing, New York. It is not the center of the Gorram 'verse. Peek your heads out of the sand New York. There are things you could never even dream of in this world. I have kids coming from reservations deep in the Nevada desert who are less ignorant than alot on New Yorkers.
England- I love you. Stood by us too many times too count. Hope to visit the UK someday. One of those long walks at the top of my list.

Gotta shut up and work now.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:07 PM

Holy crap. Another CAKE fan. I thought we all died off years ago. They covered I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor. It was frickin' awesome.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:07 PM

Quote:
And one more thing, New York. It is not the center of the Gorram 'verse. Peek your heads out of the sand New York.

Of course New York isn't the center of the 'verse! Everyone knows that L.A. is the center of the 'verse. ;)

(Tongue firmly in cheek),

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSG

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:08 PM

Hey Half french here:) Actually I agree with you french women are manipulative and evil..I LOVE THAT I AM WATCHING FIREFLY ON SCI FI RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!
Anyway, womens clothes...I don't really dress for anyone but me. I don't actually care what anyone thinks of my outfit. I do have to be mega careful of what I wear at school since I am very busty and it can create some problems with my mostly male teenaged students...but generally I just wear whatever I want to be comfy and happy ( usually flippy skirt, tightish shirt, strappy sandals or jeans, same kind of shirt, and boots)
I don't usually ask my husband's opinion, but I don't mind if he warns me of something that's odd or wrong about the outfit:)
NV- you are in fine form this morning and umm darlin we've seen you I side with Tristan I'm pretty sure you could take us all and I'm suprisingly tough:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

DEEPGIRL187

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:09 PM

RugBug, I can only partially agree with you. While The Cure and Alien Ant Farm do trump 311 and Michael Jackson respectively, Orgy was way better than New Order, in my opinion. And by the way, the artist you're looking for is Frente. She did a cover of Bizarre Love Triangle in around 1994, I think. I haven't heard the original, so I can't really give an opinion on that one, except to say that Frente's version was really good.

EDIT: There's another Cake fan here, NV. The Distance has to be one of the coolest songs on the planet.

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"These words are all I have so I'll write them."

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:09 PM

come visit me when you do. No offence taken: England is jumping on the bandwagon behind the USA's indulgent ride of self-destruction.
GTG, my mum is yelling at me.

Eagles may soar, but ferrets don't get sucked into jet engines.
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Look how America turned out. Self indulgent, greedy, and uncaring of the poor and weak around them. I have to be held guilty for being just that. I threw money at problems and hoped they'd get better. My hands have been dirtied and my own self righteousness has condoned those things. Bad ia bad. No matter how good the cause. I know so many Americans who justify things on account they are free to do so.

Gotta disagree here. America didn't turn out bad, certain Americans did. (I also suspect we'd disagree on the definition of "bad.")

As for "I have to be held guilty for being just that," under no circumstances are the actions of one person responsible for the moral stature of another.

(EDIT - I think I read that wrong. I thought you meant that you were guilty by virtue of being an American, seeing as there are Americans who do bad things. Re-reading it, I see that you meant something else, so never mind about that bit.)

Just putting this out there so it's clear we're not all of one mind here - not lookin' for trouble.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

MSG

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:20 PM

OK So first meeting at my new school and I saw my classroom...it's huge and I have windows real windows!!!!! and it has real walls ( not cinderblock) and space enough to have several areas for the kids....oh joy joy joy joy joy:) Plus we went over cases and I get the worst kids they have:) I am so happy right now! Ok sorry for the joy explosion and all , just pleased

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:25 PM

Oh you found trouble. But I've already spent myself on the ranting that There is only food on my mind. Barbeque chicken and potato salad.

Yes, it is the Americans, not America.

I may not be held guilty, bur I do feel guilty. Alot of things I've had part of were for the greater good, Blah, Blah, Blah.

Just tired of the rich gettting richer and everyonr else getting it broken off in uncomfortable places.

Another case in point: Paris Hilton.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

MSG

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:31 PM

yeah and has anyone noticed that the minimum wage hasn't been raised in 10 years while in the same time congress has had 6 raises? That has developed the largest gap between minimum wage workers and average wage workers since the depression. I am also painfully ashamed of our current foreign policy, but I digress...ponderable time:)

So after we've discussed women's fashions and such and what guys should say about them.... Guys/Girls what is your favorite outfit to see on a person of the SO? Is there a particular thing that gets you going? or is it a style of dress ( feminine, tomboy, etc.) that gets you going?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

TRISTAN

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:37 PM

NVG, I agree with you on the Britain thing. Although the small part of me that is Irish has a bit of a problem, I have a great deal of love and respect for that grand Island. My wife's former roommate's husband is English, and he and I affectionately call each other "Limey" and "Potatohead".
I have vistied England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland; walked through the cities and countryside, talked to the people, and I miss it every now and then. Hail, Brittania; Nemo me impune lacessit; Erin go Bragh; Cymru am byth!

MSG, my ex-wife was French...I am sure all of you know that by now...but let me say again: French women are evil!

NVG, 'nother kinda Cake fan here...small doses, but they are good.

I agree with Piz...it's not America, it is the actions of those in "control". Most of us are nice, caring people.

MSG (again) Congrats on the new digs!

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:39 PM

Thats what your kids need. A large open classroom to further distract and excite them. Plenty of room for the wonderful things kids like ours tend to get themselves into. On the goodside: easier to seperate them and plenty of room for creative desk arrangement and colorful decoration.

ADD: Hopes dashed for the parade. Damn!

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

JPSTARGAZER

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:41 PM

EDIT: I'm apparently several posts late with this...

I usually go with the original as opposed to the cover version 87% of the time (ok, that's just a fake number). So I will list a few instances that I like a cover MORE than the original artist:

Girl You'll Be A Woman Soon-Urge Overkill (maybe just because of it's Pulp Fiction involvement)
Take On Me-Reel Big Fish
Helter Skelter-U2 (I love the Beatles, but I gotta give this one to Bono and Co....Rattle and Hum baby!)
Hurt-Johnny Cash (not a big NIN fan...)
(this is all that's coming to mind right now)

And pretty much any Bob Dylan song that's been covered (Guns N' Roses, Clapton, Hendrix, U2, Dave Matthews Band) is usally on par with the original because Dylan sure can write a song. I also think that the Goo Goo Dolls did a great job with Supertramp's "Give A Little Bit."

"All I got is a red guitar, three chords, and the truth...the rest is up to you"
--Bono

MSG

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:43 PM

sorry about your parade NV:)So what exactly was the parade for??
..trust me more space better than no space. I had a large classroom for the first 6 years I taught and things were good.. Then they built the new building, ran out of money, and the resource teachers were stuffed into storage rooms. Having my kids penned in a small room is just asking for fights and problems. They need space to call their own and I need a way to separate them if there's an issue...so I am thrilled..mind you a bit less thrilled about the fact that there is a door to the outside at the back of my room ( I will have to find a way to set an alarm sound for that door, just in case)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

DAYVE

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
.....the minimum wage hasn't been raised in 10 years while in the same time congress has had 6 raises? That has developed the largest gap between minimum wage workers and average wage workers since the depression. I am also painfully ashamed of our current foreign policy....

MSG - don't get me started - i don't have the time (nor do you) to fully rant on the deplorable state of affairs of this administration....i constantly write, phone, email my congressman on issues such as the wage discrepancy in this country - i fear i am losing the battle - it's tough being very liberal in a very consertative state - all i can say is, become an active participant in your government - there are far too many complacent, apathetic people here who will believe anything they see on the tube or hear on talk/hate-radio... and i would say, anything they read... but i wonder sometimes if some of these people possess the intelligence even for that....

....checking blood pressure....

endeavor to persevere...

RUGBUG

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
And by the way, the artist you're looking for is Frente. She did a cover of Bizarre Love Triangle in around 1994, I think. I haven't heard the original, so I can't really give an opinion on that one, except to say that Frente's version was really good.

EDIT: There's another Cake fan here, NV. The Distance has to be one of the coolest songs on the planet.

Nope, not the Frente version, which I think is on par with the original. There is a version out currently getting radio play. I don't think it's The Crystal Method mix, but could be.

Yeah for Cake!

TRISTAN

Friday, July 14, 2006 8:58 PM

MSG, seems we skipped your Imponderable...what is our favorite outfit to see on the SO...
One of mine is immediately going to set off all sorts of alarm bells that scream "PERVERT ALERT"...just so's ya know: I really like the plaid skirt, Catholic schoolgirl look. You want to really get my attention and keep it? Wear an outfit like that. There, I admitted it.
I am a big fan of dresses on women; long, flowy things.
Also like seeing a woman in armor, but that's not something everyone likes...

CK, oooh, Crystal Method!
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NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:08 PM

Nevada Indian Days Pow Wow/Rodeo. Though, the rodeo was cancelled this year. Boss decided to use a facility vehicle rather my shiny pony.

Like the idea of having alarms. Ours make everyone in the buiding jump, but never alert the police. Our school district likes to lease modular buildings to pick up on the lack of space. Stupid trailers take so much to heat and cool.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

DAYVE

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:12 PM

....that spike in my blood pressure made me think of an imponderable regarding SOs & politics (or religion for that matter)... are there happy couples who disagree on politics...ala, James Carville and Mary Matalin?.... do you cancel each others vote..? Is it true that love conquers all?

endeavor to persevere...

RUGBUG

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:19 PM

I think differing political affiliations can work and can even be interesting as long as both people are respectful of each other.

'Course I'm of the opinion that most people want the same things, just go about it differently.

MSG

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:20 PM

Tristan well you are in good company that happens to be my husbands #1 choice too:)

Yeah I will put a bell or something on it to make sure they don't slip out or anything:)

Why did they cancel the rodeo?? Was it too hot outside or some such?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

13

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:26 PM

HAH! If you were ALBERTAN, NV, you could be at the Stampede right now!!

Canada is so cool.

Anyway, MSG, like seeing an elaborate, Companion-y type dress. As Gnarls Barkley would say: they make me craaazzaaayy...

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'It's Braedan. With an A.'

'Shiny moments aren't a destination any of us get to, and stay put forever. They're unknowable, brief flashes in time. That's what makes them shiny.' -GorramReevers

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:28 PM

My parents are both fairly moderate, but my dad votes Democrat and my mom votes Republican, give or take. They actually prefer it that way, since then they get all the literature from both, and can make educated decisions on how to vote on a per candidate/measure basis.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:33 PM

I had a problem getting the ex to be interested in anything but getting married and practicing making babies. All is fair in love and war, but there has to be some opposition. Religion: There has to be some common ground for the mass of believers out there. I guess its the same with everything.

MSG- Ponderable noted, not forgotten. Anything, (and nothing) is fine with me. Though I do love the various length and styles of skirts and dresses on a woman, I really appreciate girls who make jeans and a t-shirt look good. Seeing a woman look good in casual clothing is pretty much an absolute she will be a knockout after getting all gussied up for an evening out.
But like I said; anything and nothing.

RUGBUG- Cake, Sublime, Offspring, No Doubt, Rage Against the Machine. My dream concert #3 when I (hopefully) make it to heaven.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 13:
HAH! If you were ALBERTAN, NV, you could be at the Stampede right now!!

Canada is so cool.

Anyway, MSG, like seeing an elaborate, Companion-y type dress. As Gnarls Barkley would say: they make me craaazzaaayy...

Canada is weird

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

13

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:40 PM

Let's not get into this again...screw it, let's.

Why exactly is Canada so weird?

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'It's Braedan. With an A.'

'Shiny moments aren't a destination any of us get to, and stay put forever. They're unknowable, brief flashes in time. That's what makes them shiny.' -GorramReevers

TRISTAN

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:46 PM

Well, Imponderabler-ers, 'tis time I bid you farewell. I should be on and off the boards this weekend...hope y'all have a grand one!

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RUGBUG

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:

RUGBUG- Cake, Sublime, Offspring, No Doubt, Rage Against the Machine. My dream concert #3 when I (hopefully) make it to heaven.

OffSpring! Love them. And I'm learning to love No Doubt, but had some problems early on with their songs. Rage gets a little "screamy' for me at times.

My dream concert would be completely bizarre. Bad Religion, Cake, They Might Be Giants, Social Distortion, Elliot Smith, Ben Lee. Then throw in some Sinatra, Andrew Sisters, Rosemary Clooney, Artie Shaw.

Obviously I have a very wide range of musical tastes (and that even the half of it).

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:48 PM

Too hot outside? Our facility was the one who supplied the gate workers since we already had background checks. Taking money and stamping hands in brick huts in 108 degree heat is the best. Money. Its all about the cost of the rodeo. Just means there will be no beer stand at the fair grounds. I like to have a few beers, but drinking at the Pow Wow is wrong. Its like drinking at a church gathering.
Thought of another like. I love hanging out with a woman in pajamas. Don't know why but it is comforting.

13- Dang Canadians and your... all bein... Canadian and stuff. Stampede. Thats what they call it. I'd only been around the event most of my life and can't remember what it was called.
See, Canadians are good for something.
Thanks 13, you're working your way right into hero status.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:53 PM

I forgot the Frickin' Social D. (Bashes head)

Heaven Dream Concert Numero Uno- Johnny Cash, Buddy Holly, Muddy Waters, Hank Williams, and Jimi Hendrix.

Add: I avoided No Doubt and Green Day way back when because everyone was playing them. Same with alot of Hip Hop and G Rap.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

13

Friday, July 14, 2006 9:56 PM

We're good for lots of things.

We did invent basketball, after all.

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'It's Braedan. With an A.'

'Shiny moments aren't a destination any of us get to, and stay put forever. They're unknowable, brief flashes in time. That's what makes them shiny.' -GorramReevers

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:05 PM

(a) because it does not exist
(b) because it amuses to see you confuzzled. Canoodlians are amusing.

motherly hugs and kisses 13
(quick everyone, grab the straightjacket)

DAYVE

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Artie Shaw

ooooh, do i detect a jazz aficionado on board..? Concerts and me are few and far between... i did see some great ones - but now, give me a smoky bar and cool jazz any day - (maybe not so much with smoke..)

endeavor to persevere...

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:08 PM

I've recently discovered a love for linen suits on men. Something very yummy about it. Trying to talk hubby into getting one.

On the topic of religion, how much religious commonality do you think you need with your SO? Could you be in a relationship where one of you was very religious and the other was agnostic or atheist? What about a relationship where you were both very religious, but in separate religions?

For myself, hubby and I have basically the same beliefs, but since I was raised going to church or church activities several times a week, and he was raised not even going on holidays, a religious community and a religious identity is much more important to me than it is to him. It works, but I do wish we were a bit closer on this issue.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
I agree with Piz...it's not America, it is the actions of those in "control". Most of us are nice, caring people.

And once you realize that, at this point in our history, it doesn't matter who's in "control," but the "control" itself that is the problem, you'll have it.

Things would not have been better under different "management." Republican, Democrat - they're all Alliance.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

MSG

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:21 PM

NV- ah I see...hmm so pj's huh? Anywa, I can understand about no beer at religious or semi religious functions...kinda messes with the spirituality of the moment. You desert dwellers and your ability to withstand heat ( yes I know I live in Utah) it's so dry and sucks all moisture from your body...can't believe I am saying this, but I miss humidity

13- I'm not sure what it is about Canadians...maybe it's 'cause you're so nice, clean, polite etc...throws us yanks off:)

CK- I am religious my husband is NOT!!! It works out fine we are just respectful of each other, but I have seen moments where having separate religions has been a real problem in relationships if both have strong beliefs...

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

COPILOT

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:21 PM

On the issue of music
I do infact love both NO Doubt and Green day!

Lately it's mostly Sublime and last night Franz Ferdinanad was nice.

Tubring is my favorite band check them out!
They are a lot of fun and a lot more orginal then most bands these days!

The Shins are really good too!

Aparently TDuck found some Deathmetal Polka for me! I'm so excited!

An I carried such a torch

RUGBUG

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Artie Shaw

ooooh, do i detect a jazz aficionado on board..?

Sadly, aficionado is not a word I would use. Well, at least I don't like any new jazz. Although Charlie Hunter can be fun. He's "jazz" right?

I'm a swing dancer in another life. Give me old swing/old jazz and I'm happy.

NV: I've seen Social Distortion twice. Once in a country bar. Man, that was random, but Mike Nees' son lived in our town so they came through. I even have the guitar pick he threw into the crowd at the end of the concert.

CK: Common religious beliefs are pretty necessary for me. Level of committment to the religion is up for discussion. But I can't imagine being with someone who didn't share the same ideology. Friends, no problem. Spouse/SO? big problem.

PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Religion: There has to be some common ground for the mass of believers out there. I guess its the same with everything.

There is, but the last time I brought it up I got slapped for having and standing up for my view. Ain't gonna step into that one again.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

AZHEA

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Piz:
And once you realize that, at this point in our history, it doesn't matter who's in "control," but the "control" itself that is the problem, you'll have it.

Things would not have been better under different "management." Republican, Democrat - they're all Alliance.

--
"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

Since there is no "outer rim"... can a true browncoat survive in this world?

I find it's the little things that one does to stick it to the Feds that gets me through the day.

Or else I'd

'em all to a not so special hell.

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I mean to confound these bungers!
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PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 13:
Why exactly is Canada so weird?

Canada had a chance to become the coolest nation on earth by renaming the Northwest Territories to province "Bob." (It really was on the ballot.) They blew it by voting for something else. Pffffft!

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

13

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:30 PM

Everything I say or do ends up with FMF putting me in a straightjacket...*sigh*

Although I'm atheist, I still try to respect religious people. To their face, anyway.

It was all Seth McFarlane's fault, I swear!

Bands: I've listened to Green Day and Red Hot Chili Peppers my entire life. I've got wide taste.

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'It's Braedan. With an A.'

'Shiny moments aren't a destination any of us get to, and stay put forever. They're unknowable, brief flashes in time. That's what makes them shiny.' -GorramReevers

RUGBUG

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:32 PM

Happy weekends to all the imponderables!

DAYVE

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Piz:
Things would not have been better under different "management." Republican, Democrat - they're all Alliance

you're going to draw me into this aren't you...
I have to respectfully disagree with that statement Piz... While it's true that there is an Alliance mojo here - i find it hard to believe that another, let's say, more rational person in the office of the presidency would do some of the same things this administration has done in regards to the complete corporate take over of all phases of government.... it seems to me that's it's the Neo-conservative movement that has done most of the harm in this administration, which i see as merely a puppet of that particular movement - just look at the vice president and his extremely close ties with huge oil companies (Halliburton)... and the presidents own debt to Saudi Arabian interests....

i refuse to believe that there is absolutely no ethical political system left in this country - i am losing faith - but i hold out a little hope for a better future -

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Azhea:
Since there is no "outer rim"... can a true browncoat survive in this world?

There are ways.

Quote:
Originally posted by Azhea:
I find it's the little things that one does to stick it to the Feds that gets me through the day.

That's always fun.

Quote:
Originally posted by Azhea:
Or else I'd 'em all to a not so special hell.

They'd deserve it, but there are other, non-go-to-prison ways.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

DAYVE

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:40 PM

have a good one Rugbug - and everyone else - catch you on the flip side....

Piz: i'm not runnin out on ya... but i do have to go - we'll talk....

adios

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:43 PM

Charlie Parker seemed to be a bit more fun to listen to.

I envy you. Social D has had some of the only accepable (in my book) Cash covers.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, July 14, 2006 10:54 PM

Never heard of the Shins until watching Garden State (on the list). Try the Jayhawks if you haven't already heard them. Great band.
Link us the Deathmetal Polka. Been waiting.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 11:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
you're going to draw me into this aren't you...

Your call.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
I have to respectfully disagree with that statement Piz... While it's true that there is an Alliance mojo here - i find it hard to believe that another, let's say, more rational person in the office of the presidency would do some of the same things this administration has done in regards to the complete corporate take over of all phases of government....

The problem isn't that business is involved in government, it's that government is involved in parts of life where it has no justification for being. As long as government thinks it's right for it to control lives (of which business is one part) there will be those who try to gain control of government so that control benefits themselves (and it's far from only businessmen who try to control the government and, by extension, the rest of us). That's the source of the corruption - the government, not the people (businessmen or otherwise).

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
it seems to me that's it's the Neo-conservative movement that has done most of the harm in this administration, which i see as merely a puppet of that particular movement - just look at the vice president and his extremely close ties with huge oil companies (Halliburton)... and the presidents own debt to Saudi Arabian interests....]

See above. A Democratic administration would be equally corrupt - the only difference would be where and in what form the corruption would appear.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
i refuse to believe that there is absolutely no ethical political system left in this country - i am losing faith - but i hold out a little hope for a better future -

Refuse to believe if you like, but as things are, with government out of control and so grossly overstepping what the Constitution authorizes it to do that it invites, nay, demands, corruption, there is no possibility of ethical behavior no matter who's in the White House or in any other political office all the way down to the lowest levels of local authority.

OK, I sense another slap coming (not from you, Dayve), so I'm dropping out of this RWED at this point.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

PIZ

Friday, July 14, 2006 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
have a good one Rugbug - and everyone else - catch you on the flip side....

Have a good one.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
Piz: i'm not runnin out on ya... but i do have to go - we'll talk....

No worries, though as I said I'm out of that particular RWED in this forum.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
adios

L8r.

--
"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

NVGHOSTRIDER

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:04 AM

Question: If all the love in the 'verse can't keep two folks together, then how can all the love in the'verse keep two people apart? Makes no sense at all. I must admit to being a complete tool when it comes to relationships. I am very trusting, almost complacent when it comes to an SO. I expect an SO to be smarter than myself,(not that difficult). And I demand a certain degree of fire, even if it is only for a short while. That whole, "its better to burn out than to fade away", thing.

And they wonder why I'm still single.

"I shot the sheriff

But I did not shoot the deputy"

NVGHOSTRIDER

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:22 AM

I'm out for the weekend. Love y'all.

Have the armorer do a routine check on your weapon. Don't need any malfuntions in the field.
Night all.

"Better dead and cool
Than alive and uncool."

MSG

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:29 AM

well aren't we just a cheery bunch:) Hang in there folks and here's the hope that the weekend brings at least a small smattering of joy to you and yours:) I shall include myself in that:) HUGS to all and here's hoping that when monday dawns we all have something to share

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

13

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:41 AM

I'll still be here. I'm kinda out of the game with my knee acting up.

14 and I've already got a bad knee...ugh.

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'It's Braedan. With an A.'

'Shiny moments aren't a destination any of us get to, and stay put forever. They're unknowable, brief flashes in time. That's what makes them shiny.' -GorramReevers

'Some people even call me mad. And why? Because I dared to dream of my own race of atomic monsters? Atomic supermen with octagonal shaped bodies that suck blood out of you..' -Professor Hubert E. Farnsworth

PIZ

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 13:
I'll still be here. I'm kinda out of the game with my knee acting up.

14 and I've already got a bad knee...ugh.

I've had bad knees since I was 12. Whatcha got? Back then I had something called Osgood Schlatter's Disease. Bit of bone just below the kneecap becomes inflamed and can even chip off (mine did). Wore a leg brace for three months; missed an entire basketball season. Knees been buggin' me off and on ever since.

--
"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:30 AM

I feel your pain, 13! My knees started acting up when I was 16 or so. Now at 25 years old, I've got wide spread pain (knees, hips, and full back 24/7, and the smaller joints get involved as the pain escalates), and walk with a cane when it's bad. Having to suck it up and buy a cane at my age was difficult.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

TRISTAN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:36 AM

Gentlemen (and ladies, if any are involved); I respectfully request you defer from discussing politics in here. There are several threads over in RWED that would love this kind of thing. I don't have a problem with the ocassional pro and con discussion, but the way you are quoting each other and responding had me thinking I was over there for awhile. Love all of you, just trying to keep things civil!

I'll be back tomorrow, probably to start another thread.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!

:hugs: to all!

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PIZ

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
Gentlemen (and ladies, if any are involved); I respectfully request you defer from discussing politics in here.

Will do, but...

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
just trying to keep things civil!

...didn't notice anything uncivil in any of the posts.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

SERYN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:00 AM

I'm paraphrasing, but the best reply i ever got to asking a guy how i looked in an out fit was something about how i looked gorgeous, and really it was beside the point as he was looking forward mostly to the moment when i took it of.

to which my only reply was a startled expression and a quick 'you smooth talker you'

Usually the safest option is a 'you always look gorgeous to me' or a yup, pretty darn stunning. Unless you have a firm grip on syle, don't offer tips, stick, at most to things like 'oh, the yellow dress was more summery, or the black is sexy. don't personalise, and definetly DON'T say things like - the grey pant make your bum look smaller (her thought will be 'is my bum too big?' or words like almost, as in you look good in almost everything (the first thing she will do is worry about what she doesn't look good in)

I can't help with the 'does my bum look big in this?' My ass is big - pert and rounded (ye! i think, at least, anyhoo *cough*) but big, so i already know the honest answer, and its not something i'd want to hear from a lovers lips, i just don't ask.

I should imagine noncommital is the way to go, distraction (cheeky snogging or taxi's arriving) or a basic 'no' is best. never say yes, only gay best friends can say yes and not die.

ok, I had a fun evening, POTC DMC again, and a club with my sister, where she explained her scale to me (you know, like blokes have a one to ten rating scale.

Well, in typical girly style, its based on dessert.
'0' is crackers - the obvious drug casualties, the psycho's, the lowlifes and the nut jobs. Fruit and Nut - getting a little better, basic idiots and drunken morons.
Pancakes - the could be cutes if only - the guys with baaaaaad haircuts, who look like their mothers dress them and they really don't care, but theres potential somewhere.
Cheescake - most guys, the perfectly 'normal' semi muscular men, with the potential to go up or down after observation.
Brownies - the cute-pies, the ones that really catch your eye and make you want to go talk to them, either because they're hot or because they look like really good fun.
Chocolate torte - the drop dead hotties, the ones you spend the entire night staring at, cause they're just so damn pretty, and only very occasisionally going and actually talking to. this extends up to the kind of guys that you'd willingly crawl across the dancefloor for.

Id made me giggle, so i thought i'd share.

of course, then we started talking about desserts, eyes glazed over. thats where the crawling thing came from, my sister said something like she'd willingly crawl the length of the room for chocolate torte, and all i could think was 'are we talking the guys or the cake?'

ah well.

Serenity Island - No Trespassing. Violators will be shot, survivors will be shot again.

TRISTAN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:00 AM

By civil, I mean not resembling RWED. They start out saying "Not trying to argue, but..." and end up getting out of control. Nothing uncivil yet...that's what I am trying to curtail.
There's an old saying; Never discuss politics or religion with your friends if you want them to stay that way.

We were travelling down the bad path several threads ago...so I am a little jumpy when things get too serious. Pardon me, and thank you for understanding.

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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, July 15, 2006 5:16 AM

Sorry, all. I kinda crashed this morning. Still tired.
I like clothes, too. But a lot of times what's in isn't anything I would wear. Other times there is brief flashes of something I adore being really in and I buy a bunch of clothes and keep wearing them for years, regardless of whether they're supposed to be in or not. I don't tend to buy new clothes every year, and I don't tend to buy a lot of them new, either. Most expensive thing I've bought was a gauzy skirt I bought new for $80. I love it. Usually, though, there are other places to spend my coin. I like clothes, I like fashion, I just don't like fashion. Does that make any sense? Are we even still talking about it? I find it easier to respond to almost everything if I just open another window, so at this point in my typing I'm very far behind.
Oh Copilot, I feel a little of your pain. Not like I felt that everything I said was wrong, but Ex of Doom did make me feel like I should be into the things he was into with no questions asked *coughcoughworldofwarcraftcough* and if I thought something was silly, I was wrong. I never told him he was wrong, I just said I didn't get it or something.
Well, I did tell him not to talk about one of my favorite bands in a disparaging way at one point. It seems like a long time ago, but I think that might have been just a few weeks before the breakup. It's all fuzzy in my mind.
I need to find a cute boy. Maybe not with much bigger parts, though.
I dabble in coin collection, have a fairly small knife collection (only because I'm picky) Used to collect troll dolls.
Originals and covers. It really depends. I've heard some quite amazing covers that get panned just because the original artist is so respected. There's only been one cover I really thought was heresy, and I totally can't remember what it was right now. But there are several covers I really enjoy, even if I also like the original.
Ah, rugbug's list makes me think now! Yeah, Cure is better than 311 in most respects, though I didn't hate 311's version of Lovesong.
Have to disagree on Smooth Criminal, though.
I think the only covers I really hate are Limp Bizkit ones, mostly because I just hate them.
The Goo Goo Dolls also did an excellt cover of "A million Miles Away" on one of their early albums. I didn't even know it was a cover until I heard it on the radio and said "Wait, that's not the Dolls! WTF?" Don't know who the original was.
And (please don't shoot me) Class of '99 did what I find to be an excellent cover of "The Wall" and I enjoy their version much more than Pink Floyd's. I could really go on and on about this. I have in the past.
I don't have the energy for politics, but I'll agree with most of what Dayve said and just leave it.
I have to say, though, that I've tried to get along with people who majorly disagree with me and it doesn't tend to work. I know it can work, but so far it hasn't and I'm not eager to try again. I don't tend to mind that we disagree to a certain point, love conquers a lot, but it does lead to fights. Only fights I really had with Ex of Doom were over religion and politics. It was weird because he calimed he didn't really have a stance, didn't really believe anything in terms of religion, but if I started talking about it he would get snarky and start almost unconciously arguing the other side to me. When we first started dating, he seemed to really agree with me on a lot of things, even said that sex was the most sacred thing you could do and all that, but that seemed to fade away, and he started saying I was just trying to force my beliefs on him and that everyone had a right to believe what they wanted and on and on. I was just trying to explore with him, see if he could figure out what he believed. It was okay at first, but right before we broke up we were fighting about it a lot.
I'm not sure where I was going with that. Um, I think it's best that someone really know who they are and what they believe; makes things easier. Maybe if that was the case I could get along with someone who differed from me, but it is so

SERYN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:48 AM

If it help, theres a family problem with joints, maily ankles, but also wrists and elbows, there just seems to be a weaknes.

so i was barely 18 months old before i started having joint issues - mainly my elbow would just fall out of its socket. tug a bit and plop, there it goes. so i also have very scarred knees, as if i stumbled my parents had to just let go of my hand and let me fall. In all my baby photo's i'm wearing this little plastic sling thing. ah fun.

so, so the teens isn't to bad compared, if it makes you feel better to think that way...

Yey, msg! (over your new classroom and getting the worst kids in the whole school!

wait, is that a good thing?

Favorite clothes on a SO - couldn't comment really. My last Ex used to wear beutiful bespoke suit to work, i saw him once and he looked divine, but he alsways always changed into tatty old rugby shirts before he came round.
The one before that was a combats and band tshirts guy. bleh. no offence, if you want to wear those things then marvellous, go right ahead. but i find them hard to get excited about. I love guys in black though - a crips black shirt always look fantastic, open at the collar (see those promo shots of Nate for the Serenity releas for an idea.)

Of course, the best outfit on a bloke (especially if they a bit buff, is a pair of low slung jeans. And a cheeky smile to accessorise.

The French - if it helps at all, if sat round a bottle of wine with two french girls, who in as many words said that they love France, but they can't live there 'cause of all the damn french people.

So even the french hate the franch, apparently. I've only ever had the vaguest desires to see Paris, and after all the accounts i've heard, its getting vaguer. I'f set my sight's instead on driving through tuscany, living maybe in morrocco(would have to learn the languages!) visiting Venice, and when i'm rich joining in with the Carnivale every year. and getting to know all the good bits about the states.

England is lovely. As soon as ever i'm able to get my own place, you all have an invite to visit.The wonderful thing as well is its small size - the other coast is only 3 hours away, touring the various town could take as long or as short a time as you wished, then theres the delights of Scottland, Ireland and Wales so close by.

Just avoid the chavs and its heaven on earth.

Covers -I love Tori Amos covers, of virtually anysong cept 10cc' s i'm not in love. But i especially love strange little girl, real men and love song. they for me are better than the originals.
Like wise, the one gnr song i like is Sympathy for the devil (over the original Stones version) and i prefer all the 80's versions of that Smiths one (was the theme song for charmed) and the leaving on a jet plane cover by Fiona Apple.
there are others, but limited space.

The originals that remain the baest aree Hurt - the Cash version was touching, but I still prefer the NIN version. The Hounds of Love by Kate Bush - the futureheads must be hunted down and killed for than monstrosity. virtually any song covered or sampled by any rnb 'artist' - infact if they were banned from listening to other peoples music i'd be happy. and the original Feelin good - i love muse to bit, i just prefere the original.

Bands that must never be touched - the Doors (as the pop muppets proved)(with the possible exceptions for bands like echo and the bunnymen) Kate Bush, David Bowie and Elton John. (in the seventies anyway, i don't like his eighties output, so those are free for all.

Band in my dream concert? White Rose Movement as opener (buggers wont come up to liverpool) the cure, NIN, Led Zep or the who (when they were younger) Tori Amos.
i'll add to that line up as they occur to me.

Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

TRISTAN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:24 PM

Morning, all!
Happy Saturday. Let's hope the weekend is a relaxing one for all.

PR, I may have said this before, but let me say it again; I love wandering into the thread in the mornings to see one of your long posts waiting. Gets all my synapses firing in the right order...well, along with a little help from the coffee.

A cover or two I missed yesterday that I enjoy; Johnny Cash doing Depeche Mode's Personal Jesus, LimpBizkit did a live version of The Wall which I enjoyed, and a band I do not remember offhand did a cover of 99 Red Baloons that rocked.

Seryn, thank you for the French story...never thought they didn't like their own country! I lived near Paris, but that was back in 1981-83. I never really liked the city, even when I was a youngster. I traveled back to Europe every summer until '87, and went back in 2000 to meet the ex-wife's parents. The further you get from Paris, the better it is. Heck, in the Provence area (way South), they are actually very nice people.

Seryn, let me know when you do get a place, and set up a sofa for me! What are the "chavs"?

I agree with you about Echo and the Bunnymen...they did a fairly decent job with the Doors. I am a fan of Billy Idol (the later stuff, circa Cradle of Love), but I can't stand to listen to his version of L.A. Woman.
And no, no one should mess with Kate Bush's music...it's perfect just the way it is!

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SERYN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:59 PM

amen!

no, no one should mess with Kate.

oh, chavs are the undesirables. They are the stereotype most likely to be hound sitting in a perfectly furnished council home, drinking beer from the can at 1oam, bitching about one of their many kids fathers not giving them enough money to buy addidas trainers fro the 6 month old, and burberry bedsheets for them selves. While the said kid is outside the house, dirty despite wearing a tracksuit that cost more than my entire wardrobe, and amusing himself and his ten siblings by spitting on passers by, stealing from the local shop and pissing in peoples letterboxes. They are the originators of 'happy slapping' and keeping pit bulls to make them selves look hard ass. The females start breeding around the age of 14 - 16, and will have several children, usually by different fathers, that will be named things like 'chantalle' 'beckham' 'romeo' and 'brittney'. Although they remain in the parental home, care and attention to the offspring usually ceases after (badly carried out) toilet training, at which point they are sent out onto the streets to become other peoples problems. The males of the species are of the 'spurt and leave' school of fatherhood, and dedicate their lives to making other men look bad. Most often found with a can of bear in one hand, they are badly educated and indifferent to the concept of earning their own living, they spent their lives leaching from the state, and often turn to crime, drugs and fraud to make extra cash to fuel their obsession with designer labels. There is a sup species however who pride them selves on never having been on benefits a day in their lives. As idf this somehow makes them or their children better. The group for which ASBO's were invented, the nevertheless remain the group least likely to pay any attentiopn to the law. Hobbies include, getting drunk in public, going to rock clubs and insulting the other punters, fighting pretty much anywhere, but especially at three am on a saturday morning or at football matches. they invariably smell bad - either through over or under use of designer knock off aftershaves.
Visually they can be recognised by the uniform wearing of tracksuits, emblasoned beyond all reaches of style with designer logos, most often worn with trainers, but sometimes with dress shoes fro special occasions, and driving small citty run abouts, dressed up with oversized alloys, and a sound system playing horrendously crap music very loudly.

he he. sorry, was something a friends wrote a long time ago, i can't remeber it exactly.

Good examples that you may know are David an Victoria Beckam (chav royalty) and Brittany and Kevin Federline (american chavs)

They were once also describved as 'a cultural blackhole intent on swallwing the best in art fashion literature and human nature, chewing it up and spitting it back out on an unsuspecting populace'

or words to that effect.

ok, i'll stop waffling now, hopefully it made you laugh.

Your robot reminds me of you. You tell it to turn it stops. You tell it to stop it turns. You ask it to take out the garbage it watches reruns of Firefly.
http://www.myspace.com/seryndippyt

TRISTAN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:06 PM

Seryn, oh, yes indeed...coffee out the nose laughing! Thank you, I needed that!
Chavs sound a lot like many of the inhabitants of the town I live in now...Deep South. But the clincher was the mention of Britany and Kevin...now I understand!

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KENOBIUS

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:20 PM

You have no idea how close that is to my town. Around here we call 'em podunks though. The 'ville is a very strange melting pot. Redneck meets Gangster (not the cool Godfather ones) to form something more annoying and more deprived than any of them can be by themselves.

I love waking up and culture bashing

EDIT: Alrighty friends, I'm going to step out for a spell, been called in to help hang some rigging for Fiddler. Read: No one wants to climb into the catwalks and hang stuff. I get all the glamorous jobs.

http://tinyurl.com/ekv6z

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
PR, I may have said this before, but let me say it again; I love wandering into the thread in the mornings to see one of your long posts waiting. Gets all my synapses firing in the right order...well, along with a little help from the coffee.

Yeah? Aw, that's nice to hear.

I forgot to mention a cover that I love and adore; Evanescence doing "Heart Shaped Box". Even all the hard core Nirvana fans I've known (a LOT) agree that they do an excellent job with it. And it's all acoustic and stuff. Damn it's good, though. I love that band.
I forgot to mention other bands I love, too. I'm home now, sooo...
Kidneytheives, John McCutcheon, David Wilcox, Queen, Savage Garden, Billy Joel, Weird Al, 30 Seconds to Mars, Shakira, Prince, Godsmack...
Those are most of my loves, though I kind of dabble in many other bands.

I'm glad I have something to refer to those people as now. I used to call them "stupid trash". Heh.

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PIZ

Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I'm glad I have something to refer to those people as now. I used to call them "stupid trash". Heh.

The closest equivalent I ever heard was "white trash," but let's not forget that diversity is everything: people of all races, creeds, and colors can be trash equally.

So "chavs" is more egalitarian.

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"That's what government's for: get in a man's way." - Mal

DAYVE

Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:39 PM

Duely noted Tristan... i probably started that with the 'love conquers all' question - From now on i will save all talk of politics and religion for the RWED.....

i agree that there is more than enough to discuss here without dragging those two impossible imponderables into the mix...

edit: i was, of course replying to your request to defer from discussing politics in here

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

WHITEFALL

Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:05 PM

Bah, gorramit, I don't have much of an opinion on the French, the chavs, or a great deal of other things just discussed.

Hmm, my guess about MSG and the aforementioned worst students in the school is that she prefers to have them rather than someone else having them and not workin' with 'em right.

Um...... Ugh, my father once talked to me about shopping with women being an important skill, and to always be patient when trying on clothes is involved, and of course, never say anyone looks fat. Meh, i think I could have figured that bit out. As for actually having opinions on the matter, bah call me crazy but while i've got the male interest in the female form mostly set, I have yet to understand why either sex is ever attracted to the other's posterior. /shrug.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:22 PM

Quote:

Hmm, my guess about MSG and the aforementioned worst students in the school is that she prefers to have them rather than someone else having them and not workin' with 'em right.

Excellent point. It's generally the kids that give you the hardest time that need the most attention and work. I'll try to remember that on Monday when I'm back teaching those hyper Italians! Still, it#s good to be reminded that I have it very, very easy in comparison to so many other teachers around the world.

Desktop Hippie

EMMARIGBY

Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:31 PM

Hello again people.

Sorry I've been too busy to chat recently but keeping up with you guys is like a full time job! I've at least been pretending to work!

I'm going to do the unforgaivable here and jump into a thread without reading all the other posts. I hope I'm not interupting anyone's train of thought but I'm just so excited I needed to vent!

My sister is pregnant! I'm so very happy for her! She's been trying for a while now and at 37 she was starting to get a bit worried! Seems I don't have to offer my belly as host after all!

The only problem is, she's due to go on holiday to Madagasca in 3 weeks. It's all paid for (and then some - I mean this is one fancy holiday, two weeks in 5 star accomodation plus guided tours of the rainforest, snorkelling in underground caves... the lot!) but now she isn't sure whether she should go. The flight isn't the problem, it's the anti malerial drugs. Turns out Madagasca is in a high risk area and no doctor will prescribe larium to a pregnant woman. Even the milder drugs have a very slight risk attached apparently (what's worse is that the risk is of congenital deformity rather than abortion. Now that's a very scary prospect). So at the moment she's trying to decide whether to give up a £6000 holiday or take the risk.

What's got me all of a flutter is that she says that if she decides not to go then she will give the two tickets to me as a birthday present! I mean ....wow! But I'm now all conflicted. On the one hand, I know how much she was looking forward to this, but on the other hand weeee holiday! But then, she needs the break (she's so overworked) and I'd feel terrible, but also weee holiday! But ... the guilt... but... the excitement...... dribble!

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PENGUIN

Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:41 PM

JAMESTHEDARK

Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:05 PM

Covers: Depends on the artist. Most of the time, if I find the song irritating by the original, I'm not going to miraculously change my mind just because somebody else tries to do it again.

Outfits: Fishnets. On the arms. I can't quantify it, but the fishnet-sleeve winds me up. It's like the clothes are cheating on the concealment thing.

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I ain't lookin' for help from on high. That's a damn long wait for a train don't come.

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:13 AM

I've said the same thing about fishnets. MsG has actually asked that question before; fishnets and/or silk. God they're sexy.

Emma, yay for your sis! Hopefully she can take a nice little break without doing anything to endanger her sprog and you can go on holiday for your birthday (which is when, btw?).
I have some imponderables I wanna ask, but this thread is getting long. So I can wait, I think. Assuming I remember later what I wanted to ask.

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:10 AM

Can anyone start a new Imponderables thread? Or is there a particular way we go about that?

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:21 AM

I suppose I (or someone) could start one with apologies to Tristan. He's started all of them thus far.

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COPILOT

Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:36 AM

Ummmmm I vote Phonix Rose starts another thread. She's got one of those leader personalities

An I carried such a torch

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:37 AM

*bows* Why thank you, my dear!
Ok, I'll be back in a bit.

Okee dokes, fresh new digs! http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22328

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