The WORST trailer for the GREATEST series ever! - Thank you fox.

POSTED BY: Stillshiny
UPDATED: Friday, July 21, 2006 02:35
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STILLSHINY

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:03 PM

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SIMONB

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Stillshiny:

"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

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The trailer was so bad my eyes are bleeding. How can you take the greatest show ever made and make such a lousy trailer out of it?!

Cool Dr Who gif by the way (David Tennant has become one of my favourite doctors in the history of the show).

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

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11THHOUR

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:09 PM

FOX never understood what it had.

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SILENCE

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
FOX never understood what it had.

11th Hour

Think they do now?

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CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:32 PM

"...A tough guy named Jayne... A cosmic hooker..."

Oh my god that's bad. My 13 year old brother could make a better trailer than that.

Thanks again, Fox.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

STILLSHINY

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by silence:
Quote:
Originally posted by 11thHour:
FOX never understood what it had.

11th Hour

Think they do now?

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"Listen, if you got guests I can come back later."

Not bloody likely. Although I'm sure there wondering where that big gaping hole in their viewers came from.

If they cancel BONES or HOUSE I'm leading the revolt.

"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

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DC4BS

Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:26 PM

Yah, House goes, I go (as it's the only fox show I watch). My mom got me to watch an ep when I visited her a few months ago... I got the season 1 dvd set and started recording eps of season 2.

I had made it a rule to ignore fox no matter what they put on, good or bad. I was done with fox till mom got me hooked on House.

When fox DOES succees in making something worth watching, I'll eventualy see it on DVD (with the exception of House which is too good. I can't help watching while in th e back of my mind worrying that it will get yanked for no apparent reason...).

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SHINY

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:03 AM

You know, if you cut out all the stupid character introductions, the rest of the trailer was pretty okay.

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MORWEN112

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:04 AM

Wow...that was....just....terrible......*shuddershudder*

Good thing the 'verse has Browncoats. We're waaaayyyy better at promoting it.

Mine is an evil sugar high laugh! Bwahahahaha!

Morwen

INDIANABANZAI

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:11 AM

I will admit that when I first saw this trailer back in 2002, it made me WANT TO WATCH THIS SHOW.

We can all criticize it now, 4 years later, with all the episodes and a movie under our belts, but honestly, that promo did actually get some folks (and future Browncoats) to tune in.

I was interested in the 'girl in a box'.

DARKJESTER

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:37 AM

If you look REALLY close, you can see a few fractions of seconds of unaired material, like Zoe actually sneaking around the pro-alliance drunk from The Train Job. Yeah, it's bad, but it made me watch the show!

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JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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PENGUIN

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

Where did this quote come from?? I love it!

FOLLOWMAL

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:47 AM

You know, I just keep doing this and I get teased for it a little... but this is what the vid contest we talked about is for.

How would you advertise Firefly? Can you take scenes from the eps and do better than F*X did?
How would you market this to folks who have never ever seen it and make them want to see it? Hook them as F*X was trying to do back then.

We're gonna put those vids on youtube and myspace... if folks will please make them. We need them.

OnT: The trailer was horrible.. Nathan was handsome though. Teasing.. I'm just teasing.

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CAUSAL

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:52 AM

Good God, that's bad. That's why I didn't tune in right away. As with most Browncoats, a friend at the time told me, "You've got to see this show!"

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ONEMANSHORT

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:52 AM

Sadly when the show first came out I was playing chess on Friday nights. So that gave me no opportunity to even see the show if the commercials had even made it look good. This is going to make me seem really computer illiterate (which I am) but what program do you need to get clips out of the show or movie? Are there more than one? Just curious because I like doing stuff like this.

DOPEYNAME101

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by OneManShort:
Sadly when the show first came out I was playing chess on Friday nights. So that gave me no opportunity to even see the show if the commercials had even made it look good. This is going to make me seem really computer illiterate (which I am) but what program do you need to get clips out of the show or movie? Are there more than one? Just curious because I like doing stuff like this.

You on a PC or a Mac?

HERA

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by OneManShort:
This is going to make me seem really computer illiterate (which I am) but what program do you need to get clips out of the show or movie? Are there more than one? Just curious because I like doing stuff like this.

I know nothing, and am as stupid as the day I was born concerning vid editing. So, when I’m an idiot, I turn to the internet, as always.

Video Tutorials
http://www.atomiclearning.com/moviemaker2
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/videogetb.html
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/index.html
http://www.alter-idem.com/index.php?now=5

I found this outline on an old thread, very interesting reading. Good starting point, specific to music vids, but parts can apply to the trailer project as well.
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=9150

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Originally posted by ImEarly:

CONCEPT
A video concept is a deceptively simple thing. The best way to describe it is as a vision. What you want the vided to be, how you want the viewer to feel, what you want them to think, to understand. In short, why you're making the video. This is hardly an exhaustive discussion, so what is possible goes far above and beyond what I make mention of. It should also be noted that sometimes a concept doesn't need to be stronger than a video and a song - not every video needs a strong concept. Attempting to strengthen a concept in a video that doesn't need it can kill the video. That said, when to apply the concept and when not to is a matter of taste for the editor. After all, the overall goal of any video is to communicate something, right?

STORYTELLING
The idea here is both very restricted and very open-ended, depending on what story you want to tell and how you want to tell it. Some videos retell the story, others tell entirely new stories. There's a large area in between, where the story is told but changed or a twist is added.

SYNCH
Synch is the core of the editing process itself. It is the connection between music and video. Without synch, you have video, and you have music, but no real connection between them.

MUSICAL
AKA Beat synch. This is where you cut, fade, use effects in time to the music. While sometimes simple to execute, this can get very complicated very rapidly. Many songs will have more than one musical line going at a time, and sounds of varying volume and tone. As an editor, you have to pick what you think is important, and synch to that. Sometimes the music itself presents a clear lead line to work with, but this is frequently not the case. What you show, how strongly you show it, and how you show it are all choices to be made. Most videos make use of beat synch heavily. To ignore the music itself is considered extremely bad form, most of the time. Without extremely good reason, such as comedy, the video ending, etc., missing a significant change in the music is considered a major slip-up on the part of the editor.

LYRICAL
AKA Literal synch. In short, you match what is being said to what you show. There are varying degrees of lyrical synch. The connection between what is said and what is shown may be readily obvious, heavily symbolic, or nearly anywhere in between. One type that deserves special mention is the comedic association: an association made specifically to make fun of something or someone, or something absolutely ridiculous. The associations should be ones that the viewer can understand, though. If the associations are so strange or symbolic that the viewer can't understand them, then the editor has likely slipped up. Unless they're trying to make an incomprehensible video, that is.
A second type that deserves special mention is lip-synching. This is where a character (or characters) mouth movements are matched to the lyrics such that the character (or characters) appear to be singing or speaking. It is considered good form to lip synch entire lines at a time, with partial lip synch being somewhat looked down on.

EFFECTS
There are two schools of thought on effects, one at either end o

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ONEMANSHORT

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dopeyname101:

You on a PC or a Mac?

I'm on a Mac.

HERA

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:41 AM

Here's one focusing on iMovie for Mac.

http://www.craisie.com/id83.htm

There may also be iMovie tutorials on the Apple site.

-Hera

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

ONEMANSHORT

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:44 AM

Thanks for being so helpful! I'll se what I can do about actually making anything, may take a while to read through the tutorials and so on. Thanks again!

HERA

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:47 AM

Good luck! I envy you. Someday I will try my hand at videos.

Come back if you got more questions.

-Hera

"Wanna?" – Mal to Kaylee, Out of Gas

MONKSDAD

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:45 AM

WTF, now I see why I only saw one episode when it was on originally. By the way I see SciFi channel has another new series thats not firefly. Am I the only one that gets angry everytime Scifi channel puts money into other shows and stupid movies and wrestling (BTW i am a wrestling fan and i am still pissed at that one) instead of firefly.

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STILLSHINY

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Penguin:
Quote:
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

Where did this quote come from?? I love it!

It was from one of the Q&A sessions for the movie. I just thought it was so freaking hi-larious. BTW I love your sig pic.

"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

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CHOO1701

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:58 PM

my god...it makes it look like....Triple X which it isn't

and the music...and the descriptions (where was Book, Kaylee, and Simon!!)...the....the....OMG!! How sh*t was that!!

and this is why, in the UK, we let the CLIPS speak for themselves. Not some guy who you've heard SO MANY times before

CURSE YOU FOX!!!!

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MSG

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:40 PM

ummm well that explains everything. This is why we couldn't get a large enough viewing audience. Was that trailer made by over caffinated 13 year olds ( no offense 13) WTF

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PENGUIN

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:14 PM

MILFORD

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:47 PM

Sigh...Did they really say "Space cowboy?"

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SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:56 PM

ARGHH!! What the hell were they thinking??? Anyone else that picks up Firefly should hire Browncoats to promote it, we'd do a faaarrr better job, with one hand tied behind our backs and a swarm of angry wasps attacking us incessantly!!
Is is just be, or does every single trailer have exactly the same guy doing the voice over? Has anyone ever heard a trailer with a female voice over?

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FRELLINGBLONDE

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:16 PM

Wow...this is so beyond bad...I can't come up with the right words for how bad it is, and I got a 760 on my SAT verbal, for crap's sake!

I had an idea, but I'm not so computer savvy...could someone make some captures from this? Specifically the end, where it shows the title?

AZHEA

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:58 PM

That was terrible!!! I need a shower now...

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JOSSISAGOD

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:33 PM

"And a girl, in a box." Kinda ruined the surprise, didn't it. I really can't even sarcastically thank FOX for this. I thought the trailer was okay, until the girl in a box thing. However, FOX still messed up when they aired it. I don't even remember seeing an ad for Firefly, I just tuned in on Friday as was usual for me, I was lucky enough to catch the belly-dancer comming across the screen and THAT is how I found Firefly.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

"Look at me, I'm STUPID!" The Doctor.

PENGUIN

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:38 PM

It's funny that most of the images came from the pilot they didn't even air until after the show was canceled!

And they didn't use the right font!

STILLSHINY

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Smartbutdumbblonde:
ARGHH!! What the hell were they thinking??? Anyone else that picks up Firefly should hire Browncoats to promote it, we'd do a faaarrr better job, with one hand tied behind our backs and a swarm of angry wasps attacking us incessantly!!
Is is just be, or does every single trailer have exactly the same guy doing the voice over? Has anyone ever heard a trailer with a female voice over?

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

there actually is a very funny vid of all five voice over actors

"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:04 PM

Ha! Now I now what Joss was talking about on the commentaries when he kept saying that the ads with the girl in the box didn't exactly help River's surprise entrance in the pilot. Which they didn't show 'till they cancelled the show anyway.

This is what a series promo ~should~ be like. I'm desperately hoping someone on our side of the Atlantic picks this up!

http://www.nbc.com/NBC_First_Look/Heroes/

Look at their trailer!!! So shiny!!!

STILLSHINY

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Ha! Now I now what Joss was talking about on the commentaries when he kept saying that the ads with the girl in the box didn't exactly help River's surprise entrance in the pilot. Which they didn't show 'till they cancelled the show anyway.

This is what a series promo ~should~ be like. I'm desperately hoping someone on our side of the Atlantic picks this up!

http://www.nbc.com/NBC_First_Look/Heroes/

Look at their trailer!!! So shiny!!!

Ok, now THAT looks cool.

"We had ties that could not be broken, except by the passing of time. Like a rock. A broken time rock. And you're very special to me, my broken time rock people." - Nathan Fillion

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:23 PM

Doesn't it? ~please~ let it be shown on Irish TV sometime this centuty!

Now imagine a Firefly trailer done with the same style and drama. My head hurts just thinking about it. Imagine what a hit the show would have been then, with that kind of backing.

Just to be silly :)

CHOO1701

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:46 PM

CURSE YOU HISTORY!!!!

EDIT: and Hereos looks REALLY intersting...bet you £5 it lasts a season only

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DOPEYNAME101

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by OneManShort:
Thanks for being so helpful! I'll se what I can do about actually making anything, may take a while to read through the tutorials and so on. Thanks again!

Technically speaking, to get the footage from the dvd to your hard drive to edit, you're gonna need 3 things:

the Quicktime MPEG2 player (20 bucks at Apple's online store)
MPEG Streamclip
and
MacTheRipper.

If/when you need more help, lemme know

FRELLINGBLONDE

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:27 PM

This just says it all, I think...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=11860

STEAMER

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:02 PM

Ugh.

You could tell just by the "Yeah, it's out there" that Fox was dead set against the show from the beginning. The tone of the narrator's voice? Just hollered 'Don't take this show seriously' till the viewers' ears bled. All I can say is, if they ain't kicking themselves now, I'll do it for them.

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Shiny. Is that how you're all feeling?
Then perhaps Mal Reynolds IS in your best interests as captain.

ONEMANSHORT

Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dopeyname101:

Technically speaking, to get the footage from the dvd to your hard drive to edit, you're gonna need 3 things:

the Quicktime MPEG2 player (20 bucks at Apple's online store)
MPEG Streamclip
and
MacTheRipper.

If/when you need more help, lemme know

Looks like I have a few things I need to put on my shopping list. Everyone is really great abotu helping out here, which I really love about these boards. Thanks! If I have any questions I'll be sure to send you a message. (It will take me a while to get everything, and then learn how to use it, also because I'm going on a trip for almost half of august, but eventually it will be done)Thanks again!

COPILOT

Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:36 AM

What the hell was that? Honestly did anyone in marketing even watch the pilot? Sadly if I'd ever seen that trailer I'd have tuned in at least once. Just for the cheese factor! I would have made every person I knew watch it too!
~Arrrrgggg damn you fox!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An I carried such a torch

BELOWZERO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
ummm well that explains everything. This is why we couldn't get a large enough viewing audience. Was that trailer made by over caffinated 13 year olds ( no offense 13) WTF

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

Nah, 3 year olds playing with sophisticated video equipment, obviously. Did that ad have ANYTHING to do with what the show was about?

This is why I didn't tune in. I thought, "Echk." And sadly didn't get hooked til the DVD of Serenity because of it!

Is Fox run by George W Bush????!!!???

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

THEKNIGHT

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:36 AM

I don't think anyone has brought this little fun fact up yet, but they even got there own fictional facts wrong. 400 years in the future, year 2456 A.D.
Oh well just another instance of the suits not giving half a good gorram.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:54 AM

From my own experiences with marketing departments (not within the TV/movie biz though), my guess would be that they skimmed a half-page synopsis of the show, read brief descriptions of each of the main characters (probably going "who the puts this many main characters in a, a, ...what sort of show is this again?!" the whole time), and then fast forwarded through the pilot until they found the brief clips they could use for the trailer.

The "Out there? Oh, it's out there!" line just *screams* a marketing meeting where everyone was confused from the get go. They didn't understand the show, they didn't understand how you could have cowboys in space, they didn't understand if it was suppose to be comedy, or drama, or action, or what. ('Course, actually watching the pilot might have given them a clue on that front.) So they figured, well, the best we can do is market it on its weirdness. It'll be cancelled by Christmas anyway -- after all, who would watch something like this?! -- so lets not spend any more time on it than we already have.

I have yet to meet someone in entertainment marketing who knew what the hell they were doing. I believe that good, talented, intelligent marketing people, who are devoted to understanding the product they are marketing, actually do exist. I've just yet to find a single one. Every single one I've ever met, without exception, has had a poorly disguised contempt for the product. It's difficult to market a product to the people who would like the product, if you yourself hate both the product and anyone who would like said product.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ONEMANSHORT

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:25 AM

I don't know much about the marketing business myself, but my dad is a professor and every year his students participate in a marketing contest with other colleges. His school won for a few years straight, up until this other professor he worked with retired and the job was given to some newbie who didn't know how to advertise for Their school lost that year. My theory is that the Fox marketing commitee employees hired were relatively new to their job and had no clue in hell what they were doing. Either that or they were dropped on their heads as a child. Or they didn't even bother to watch the pilot. Or they didn't realize that Jayne is hot enough to attract as many women to the show as they could ever want...and if not him Mal...and if not him Simon...etc...(I don't know how significant this is but I thought I would share)

BELOWZERO

Friday, July 21, 2006 12:26 AM

werrrgh..."space cowboy"...my poor Mal.....and "space hooker", that got repeated in several interviews with the cast about the show and in one of the word-associations in an interview, Nathan himself said it all: "Poor Morena!"

ps FOX SUX

I totally refuse to move to the smallish community with afordable housing down the road a little ways because it is called "Fox" (tho I think for the critter, not the stupid network)

"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas

Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, July 21, 2006 12:36 AM

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I totally refuse to move to the smallish community with afordable housing down the road a little ways because it is called "Fox"

LOL! I quite nearly moved into a community named "Mandyville" but barely managed to avoid it. Anyone who's a fan of The West Wing will know that I narrowly escaped never being heard from again!

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

ROCKETJOCK

Friday, July 21, 2006 2:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by monksdad:
WTF, now I see why I only saw one episode when it was on originally. By the way I see SciFi channel has another new series thats not firefly. Am I the only one that gets angry everytime Scifi channel puts money into other shows and stupid movies and wrestling (BTW i am a wrestling fan and i am still pissed at that one) instead of firefly.

I agree about the wrestling, but if the new series is Eureka I must humbly disagree. The pilot movie was well-acted, well-directed, cleverly written, and entertaining on every level.

I don't begrudge Sci-Fi making good shows; it isn't as if they own the rights to Firefly/Serenity. They'd have to negotiate for that, and pay F-X royalties for the use; can't blame them for putting that funding into projects they own free and clear.

Still--I could think of worse homes for the 'Verse.

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn