Male and Female Imponderables--No more Shakespeare

POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 21:44
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TRISTAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:42 PM (P)

Ok, seeing as the last one got screwed up, I have created a new one.
This is something like the 12th or 13th Imponderable thread...we are doing well! I think we are figuring each other out a little at a time.

Last thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22750

Lurkers are welcome to post. Hope to see you here!

Post away!

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PENGUIN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:46 PM (P)

YAY! I'm number 2!

MSG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:47 PM (P)

oooh new thread...shiny

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

MSG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:50 PM (P)

ok silly ,but fun

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:53 PM (P)

Deleted because...
... can't remember.

I gotta question.
Do women read in the bathroom? I've met maybe two or three who said they do. So why is reading more prevelent in the male bathroom break than in the female. Only answer I've gotten thus far is, "Men have to relax their brains somewhere." Considering leaving that as the answer. Someone change my mind. Please!

"And it burn burns burns
That ring of fire
That ring of fire."

TRISTAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:57 PM (P)

Without getting into the gross, I, as a male, think it's because we spend more time in the bathroom than the females. In my years of study and research on the opposite sex, that is one of the things I have noticed; that they spend less time in the bathroom (unless, of course, they are preening! )

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PENGUIN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 8:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
ok silly ,but fun

PENGUIN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:00 PM (P)

I always read in the bathroom.

It give men a moment of quiet and solitude to reflect on our day...

TRISTAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:10 PM (P)

I have an Imponderable...kinda inspired by reading the news today. If I don't get it down, I'll forget about it, so:
What is your heart's desire? Material, emotional, a concept...what? And what would you be willing to do to gain it?

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GED

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:15 PM (P)

I agree with Tristan here, I think guys just spend more time there than women.

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:16 PM (P)

So I read in the Uncle Johns Big Bathroom Reader: "Most sought after prize to find in a Cracker Jack box: toy ring. Why: Often used as engagement rings."

Who has actually found the Cracker Jack ring? Not me.
I realize that part of my many problems is the fact that nothing is ever perfect. Not that everything should be. But it seems that every single romantic relationship I have ever ben in lacked something. Those grand moments like the first time you jumped out of a plane or the excitement of graduating never seemed to happen for me. First sexual experience with someone you love is one thing, but what about marriage and children. I cannot fathom the sensation of these things.

Lost momentarily. Stupid brain.

"And it burn burns burns
That ring of fire
That ring of fire."

GED

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:17 PM (P)

My heart's desire is to find that special someone to share my life with. What would I do? Hmm, well I 'll tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't sacrifice my character, beliefs, or friends. But, I would definitely go to great lengths for the right girl.

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This above all, — to thine ownself be true.
http://www.myspace.com/artv

ODDSBODSKINS

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:22 PM (P)

peace of mind. that's about it, just happens to be a big 'it'

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:30 PM (P)

So, brain working not so well.

Everything mentioned previously is part of my hearts desire. I hope,(as GED mentioned), to find that one woman to share life with. Its not just romance and love, but its also the hope of finding the missing piece that still is a mystery to me. There has always been some sad, lifeless spot that never seems to go away. Even when I feel my face smiling there always is discomfort in my grin.

"And it burn burns burns
That ring of fire
That ring of fire."

RUGBUG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:42 PM (P)

No, I don't read in the bathroom. My whole theory on that is that we sit down a whole lot more than the guys. There's nothing special about sitting. If I have to sit for a long time, it's time to analyze how much fiber I'm getting in my diet.

Men on the other hand only sit approx. 50% of the time. It's almost a novelty. A break. Why not read and relax?

Heart's desire: This is very strange to write my heart's desire after writing about reading in the restroom.

My heart's desire is to have many, many nice horses, the time to ride them all, and the money to keep them and show them how I wish to. Oh, and a man to share my life with. Heh....

The man only comes second because I think that is an easier goal than the horse thing.

Mothering: I think certain things about women make nuturing/care-giving easier. For instance, we've got the boobs and are thusly the food source. Anyone who has spent time around animals (and yes, I am going to compare raising children to raising training animals...if more people treated child-rearing like that, we'd have a lot better behaved children) you quickly see that the animals bond with the primary caregiver. The one who meets those immediate needs. The first few months of a child's life, that is mommy...unless definite pains are taken to allow daddy to be viewed as the caregiver as well. But going and getting munchkin and passing it off to momma to milk is not caregiving (although it is nice that mom doesn't have to get outta bed ).

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:51 PM (P)

NV

All the women I know do. Also, some of us read in the tub. Its nice to soak, relax and read. But it can destroy a book pretty quickly when you fall asleep.

one of the Forsaken TM

BSCPANTHERFAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:54 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Penguin:
YAY! I'm number 2!

Okay, nobody step in that. I think something was living in here.

(sorry, Penguin, I coouldn't resist. Nothing but love for you

)

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:54 PM (P)

Reading about reading in the restroom then writing about it.

Okay, I am slow. Took a sec to understand what I wrote. Strangely I got it right the first time.

Think if you found a rich guy that likes to stay in shape with manual labor you'd be set.

ADD: New sig worked
Me so happy. Love you long time -Full Metal Jacket as aired on NBC, 1993

DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:03 PM (P)

I do read in the bathroom, but then again, you rarely see me without a book. A lot of the women in my family have this genetic condition where we have a compulsion to read constantly. In fact, if we don't have a book with us, we become severely cranky and irrational. It's a real condition, honest.

EDIT: By the way, cool sig, NV.

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"See, this is a sign of your tragic space dementia. All paranoid and crotchety, it breaks the heart."

BSCPANTHERFAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:12 PM (P)

Maybe I'm the exception to this, but I have never been one to spend excessive time in the bathroom. I tend to take care of business and leave.

I would put a snarky remark here about getting that out of my system when I was a teenager, but since I don't ever plan to grow up too much...

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

JAMESTHEDARK

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:22 PM (P)

Reading in the bathroom is the only refuge I have at work. I have a busybody boss who can't stand it if he sees you standing still for more then five consecutive seconds, and the only place I can both get away from him and be said to still be taking care of my job is in the farthest stall in the men's bathroom. And I bring a book, to wile away the time.

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I ain't lookin' for help from on high. That's a damn long wait for a train don't come.

GRRRARG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:23 PM (P)

Maybe its the whole bath thing in general - since I know a lot of women who like baths - but I've always been a man who loves a good shower. And, you know, its damned hard to read in the shower. Now, I like hottubs, but again, its hard to read in them, and generally I have better things to do, like drinking mimosas and whatnot.

"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes." -Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"

PENGUIN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BSCPantherfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by Penguin:
YAY! I'm number 2!

Okay, nobody step in that. I think something was living in here.

(sorry, Penguin, I coouldn't resist. Nothing but love for you )

DAYVE

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:26 PM (P)

i got nothing about the bathroom thing...except to say that War and Peace was a catchy little book...

what i just noticed, however, is the date at the top of the site...Thursday, June 22, 2006 13:38.... was that the day of the last big crash ?.... time to rewind the old timex

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:28 PM (P)

Deepgirl

I have that disease too! If I don't have a book or magazine I read boxes, bottles, whatever there is!

one of the Forsaken TM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:32 PM (P)

I have never drunk a whatnot. Have one in the corner though!

one of the Forsaken TM

TROGMAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:34 PM (P)

I don't spend a lot of time in the bathroom either, but I will occasionally read something, and I'll be in there longer.

Have any of you ever spend so much time reading that your legs are alseep when you try to get up? I'm talking 10+ minutes at least.

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TROGMAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:37 PM (P)

I forgot - my heart's desire - I'm assuming here that we mean a personal thing, not world peace, etc. (not that those type of things are not worthy too)

- to be able to lose that bit of me that is still too self-centered after years of trying to get rid of it. It would bring me more inner peace, that is for sure. I still find myself looking back on some things at the end of a day, saying, "Oops."

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BSCPANTHERFAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:48 PM (P)

Yes, I deserved that smack, Penguin, and I accept it.

I just caught up on the rest of the old thread, and now I'm hungry! PR, have you used real wasabi or just the stuff that they have here in the states. Most of it is horseradish with food coloring, and not real wasabi at all.
As far as spicy foods, I like them, but if the spice overwhelms the taste of the food, it isn't for me.

One if the Japanese Sushi places around here has their own names for some of their sushi, and they call one of them "the Atomic Bomb". I've never gotten to try it yet, but I am curious.

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

GRRRARG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:50 PM (P)

Quote:
we've got the boobs and are thusly the food source.

(unless theres an emote for :rotflmao:)

Quote:

Anyone who has spent time around animals (and yes, I am going to compare raising children to raising training animals...if more people treated child-rearing like that, we'd have a lot better behaved children) you quickly see that the animals bond with the primary caregiver.

In the last thread I mentioned our philosophy of much carrot/little stick - we praise our son when he does the right thing. When he thanked a woman I know for some little thing, I praised him "Good boy!", and the woman responded "What is he, a dog?"
Well. The similarities are remarkable - especially when we started potty training him and he kept leaving little puddles on the carpet like a tall, blond spaniel.

Quote:
But going and getting munchkin and passing it off to momma to milk is not caregiving (although it is nice that mom doesn't have to get outta bed ).

I'm sitting here feeding him salsa chips and the occational chocolate chip cookie. Does that count?

"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes." -Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"

BSCPANTHERFAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 10:53 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GrrrArg:
Maybe its the whole bath thing in general - since I know a lot of women who like baths - but I've always been a man who loves a good shower. And, you know, its damned hard to read in the shower.
"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes." -Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"

I have always been a shower guy, too. I tried to come up with a way to read a book in the shower, but it never worked the way I wanted, and Dad always complained that I was costing him too much in water. Now that they have e-books, I suppose you could put one into a waterproof enclosure sort of like the shower radios, with a touch screen to change pages. You could even get a wireless connection for it to load new books in when you are inished with the ones it came with. Hmm, I may have just stumbled onto something here.... (wanders off mumbling to self).

So who is he?
He's my husband.
Well who in the damn galaxy ain't!

TROGMAN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 11:19 PM (P)

When I was 15, I made my own book stand for reading while taking a bath. I tested it out, opened up the book, put it on the stand - and PLOP it fell right in the water.

And there went my inventor streak! Poof.

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PENGUIN

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 11:22 PM (P)

MISTERG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:58 AM (P)

Wow...apparently I was tending and tutoring kids today WHILE I was at my normal job too? Damn I'm good :D

BTW: did I mention I make Sushi? heh

"There can be only one."

PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:32 AM (P)

catching up from the last thread:
SBDB, no a spider roll is not actual spiders. Gawd, that would be gross! It is crab. I'm not sure why it's called a spider roll, except that two out of the 6-8 rolls have crab legs on them that almost but not quite sort of resemble spider legs. They are very yummy.
Ged, I tend to not wait to call someone I really like; I'll do what you did and call them the next day and then expect them to call me. There are a lot of stupid "rules" about calling that I think are, well, stupid, such as waiting three days or whatever. How long is too long? I'd say a week is starting to push it, and two weeks is definitely too long. But everyone (and I mean everyone) has their own ideas about it. So... does this mean you won't be coming up to Colorado to see me?
Copilot, huggles are about all you need, darlin. Sorry to hear you live in such a messed-up area, too.

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Originally posted by Whitefall:
To all our bi folk, good job keep on expanding mating horizons! Keep flyin'.

Heheh, that's cute! Where were all the boys like you when I was in high school? Hell, people in general who thought it was shiny would have been nice! Well, glad you're back.
Ms G, sounds like good practice for your own little one!

I don't know about women being better at it. I think more women are better at it, but some men are better at it than some women. But in general, we're kind of genetically programed for it. And, honestly, it literally has to be built in. I mean, it is built in. I mean, we carry the little things, we give birth, we go through all this (and in the meantime it's possible the father has disappeared by now) Ok, I might be backpeddling here now because this sounds really bad. The fact is, it's a lot easier for men to get out of being caregivers because they can run away. It doesn't happen as much anymore, but I'm sure in the days before languange and/or civilization it happened all the time. "Duty done, ok, I'm off now" and a mom was stuck with a big belly, a hard labor, and the responsibility of raising. That might have gotten ingrained. But I know there are good fathers in the world. That was long.
NVG, I've read in the bathroom since I was about nine. Used to worry my mom because I would end up being in there for awhile, just reading. I also used to read while eating and still do a lot. I just like to read.
Getting into an unanswerable question, Tristan! My heart's desire, I suppose, is to be happy and secure in my life. What that would take, I don't know. What I would do to have it I don't know either. Whatever I had to, I guess. Wouldn't sacrifice what made me happy, though. Well, duh. That'd be counter-productive. I think being in a good romantic relationship does a lot for me, though. And having good friends. And I think not having to worry about money would be good, too.
I've found a crappy ring in cracker jack. Really, it was crappy; totally plastic, just one piece. I'm pretty sure. I was, like, five.
BSC, I can tell the difference between wasabi and horsradish, beleive me! They taste completely different (and ahve a completely different texture) and can take more horsradish than wasabi. Wasabi makes me choke.
I like showers a lot, but sometimes I need to soak. It's a very comforting thing, to soak in hot water. I read in the bath, too. Very carefully now; I ruined many books as a child.
OK, so Ms G makes all these wonderful dishes, and MisterG makes sushi? Where do I sign up for that? Seriously, do y'all think you'll need a live-in nanny or something?
And now I'm all caught up. Time to see what else I missed.

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JPSTARGAZER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:27 AM (P)

As far as bathroom reading, I really don't. However, my mind is not idle either. I usually get some great ideas in the bathroom, since besides that time before I fall asleep in bed, it's really one of the only isolated places to really think. Now that I share a bathroom though, I can't sit there forever anymore and work thoughts through.

Showering vs. baths...I think like most guys, I shower. In fact, I haven't taken a bath in 4 years. The last time was when I was in Italy and the hotel had a tub, but no shower head, so it was bath-time. Of course, hot-tubbin' doesn't count. Anyways, back to homework. Stupid electrons all movin' around an' stuff...

"All I got is a red guitar, three chords, and the truth...the rest is up to you"
--Bono

MISTERG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:49 AM (P)

Muaha speaking of baths. The last one I took was a bubble bath with the wife a few years back.

I'll let her tell the story because it'll leave you all in stitches....

"There can be only one."

MAGDALENA

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:05 AM (P)

I think this was Tristan's question, but Ged said it so nicely...

Quote:
Originally posted by Ged:
My heart's desire is to find that special someone to share my life with. What would I do? Hmm, well I 'll tell you what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't sacrifice my character, beliefs, or friends. But, I would definitely go to great lengths for the right girl.

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http://www.myspace.com/artv

...what he said... all of it - even the signature!!

Ah... Except I'd do that for a guy, not a girl.

I am still convinced that there is someone worth the wait out there ...

I would move to another state or country but hope that he'd love me enough to stay in, or return to, my own 'safe territory'.

I'd forgive and forget silly arguments

I'd love him for who he is and not for who he isn't and want to make him into that ... seen too many relationships implode that way...

I might even cook for him...

I'd wash his socks and jocks - but I won't iron his shirts if I can help it!

I'd let him see me at my worst, and also save my very best for him too!

Is that the kind of thing you were thinking of - it's definitely spiritual/emotional though it'd be nice to be financially secure too and to work towards your dreams and goals together...

Mwaaah - Magda x x x

{Edit} sorry - behind again - like the gorgeous Phoenix Rose I usually end up readin' in the toilet because I cannot put the book down and I need to go... it's a practical thing rather than a lifestyle choice... and I too read while I'm eating, Darling, but I never let the kids I nanny do that (& I don't do it in company)... it's rude!

Mr & Ms G - in light of the cooking, cleaning and sushi revelations I thought I'd send you my resume - I've been a nanny for 8 years now and have excellent references, don't mind the nappies and the cryin', just hate the cleaning and cooking - though my current employer makes really good sushi too...might have to think about that one...

Mwaaah - again - Magda x x x

"I love my Captain!"

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I do read in the bathroom, but then again, you rarely see me without a book. A lot of the women in my family have this genetic condition where we have a compulsion to read constantly. In fact, if we don't have a book with us, we become severely cranky and irrational. It's a real condition, honest.

Well, I don't think it's specific to women because I have it too.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

DANCINGNEKO

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:14 AM (P)

[immature brat]
*perks up* Bubble bath? Oooh...*ponders* *makes a "eww" face* *holds nose*
MsG pray tell, what did MisterG do that made it years since he's had a bath?
*ducks flying objects* Hey! That's what MisterG said!
[/immature brat]

Okay...in no particular order to previous postings:

Goat: FYI, surimi is actually "fake" crab meat (a sort of fishcake made to kinda look/semi-taste like crab). I can usually find it in the refrigerated or frozen section with other packaged fish products. [Bah! I can't find a decent picture of it. ](Then again, I'm on a rock smack dab in the middle of the Pacific.)

CP and CaliforniaKaylee: *hugs* I don't hate you guys for your past....My issues with brd ex 1 and 2 are for mindfk and soulf they both did to me. Looking back, I can see how I was partially to blame for the mess since I was young and immature. *shrug* Looking back, I wish I had been able to walk away from both exs when the relationships ended.
(As a follow-up, ex1 ended up in a 'shotgun' wedding and eventually divorced, ex2 also has a child but no real contact with their son's other parent.)

CP: I agree with others, follow your friend's lead. I realize it's hard to just "be there" for a friend -- heck there's times I wish I could do more than just listen to my friends when they're stressed. Just realize and recognize that what your doing may not seem like much, but it's a lot more than you realize.

Whomever was talking about "sashimi roll" (I think it was you, PR, but I'm probably wrong) did you mean temaki ("te" [tay] == hand, "maki" [ma-key] == roll) sushi

NV: Congratulations Uncle! From someone whose going to have a niece or nephew soon (sibling announced that they're expecting).

FMF: *hugs* *digs around and pulls out a couple of hand-rolled chocolate decadence truffles to give to FMF* Eat 'em slow...they're really good. I know NVGhostrider, Tristan, and everyone else is offering to help you *ahem* "deal" with ex-FMF, but if you want on the sneaky-type of dealin's...Well, how scary is a 5'3" asian woman? (Answer: Not very in appearance...)

To whomever pulled out the Ben and Jerry's ice cream (Tristan? NVGhostrider?): Not tempted, nope, nuh-uh....Now if you had pulled out some well-made green tea ice cream (don't buy Baskin-Robbins green tea ice cream...poorly made stuff)...*droo...* Nope, not drooling, no way...*wipes face with very absorbent towel, especially across mouth area*

Spicy: Heh...I'm getting closer and closer to being able to eat true Korean summer kim-chee...and maybe eventually winter. (I've seen those things melt plastic spoons! I kid you not!...and it was physically cool! *shivers*)
I've heard that the heat from peppers releases some endorphins for some people...It must work on me...

I seem to be commenting on foodstuffs, so...Goat -- those snails looked gross (and I've had escargot!) Haven't had raw liver. I've eaten tripe, squid, cuttlefish, what's called 'sweet shrimp' (amaebi that's usually on edo-style sushi and eaten raw), pig (or was it beef) intestine soup, squid lu`au (imagine defrosted, chopped spinach cooked with squid and some coconut milk to look like a thickish soup), natto (fermented soybeans -- beleive me, that's an acquired taste), poi (taro that's been steamed, then pounded with water -- it's been compared to 'purple-grey' paste)...(Why do I think I've just disgusted several of the imponderables here? )

Reading in the bathroom...I usally do it when I have to "meditate" there, or sometimes when I soak in the bathtub. But that's rare.

Okay...once again, it's late, and I'm off to bed.
'Night everyone.

DANCINGNEKO

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:14 AM (P)

bah...double post...(how did that happen? I only hit the button once?)

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Dancingneko:
I seem to be commenting on foodstuffs, so...Goat -- those snails looked gross (and I've had escargot!) Haven't had raw liver. I've eaten tripe, squid, cuttlefish, what's called 'sweet shrimp' (amaebi that's usually on edo-style sushi and eaten raw), pig (or was it beef) intestine soup, squid lu`au (imagine defrosted, chopped spinach cooked with squid and some coconut milk to look like a thickish soup), natto (fermented soybeans -- beleive me, that's an acquired taste), poi (taro that's been steamed, then pounded with water -- it's been compared to 'purple-grey' paste)...(Why do I think I've just disgusted several of the imponderables here? )

oh, no reason *holds hand to mouth and says* I'm just be over there for a second *runs off to the corner and pukes several times*

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 11:06 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Ged, I tend to not wait to call someone I really like; I'll do what you did and call them the next day and then expect them to call me. There are a lot of stupid "rules" about calling that I think are, well, stupid, such as waiting three days or whatever. How long is too long? I'd say a week is starting to push it, and two weeks is definitely too long. But everyone (and I mean everyone) has their own ideas about it. So... does this mean you won't be coming up to Colorado to see me?

Ahh sweetie, I may make my way out there sometime, you never know. As for the girl, we played phone tag yesterday, but it seems like she's losing interest in me. She called and cancelled or postponed our second date. We only talked for a second because I was at work, so I haven't deciphered which one it is yet. But I haven't been able to get a hold of her since. Oh well, what will be will be, they say. C'est la vie.

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PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, August 3, 2006 11:22 AM (P)

No, neko, I was thinking of something a little less complicated. It's like a little rice cake with raw fish on top and a thin strip of seaweed wrapped around it.
Sometimes there is wasabi between the fish and rice...
Yeah, that is some nasty food you are describing, there. Liver... Bleh! Tripe... ditto.
You get the idea.

Ged, you're back again! And up early!
I'm sorry this gal's being tweaky. Some ladies don't know what's good for 'em. I myself like a man who actually, y'know, wants to spend time with me; why that scares some people is beyond me. Maybe because it just isn't that common. Seems that way to me, anyway.
There's a question; is it true that all men have a "cave" and need lots of time alone? Or are there actually plenty of men who can be mostly open and like to spend lots of time with someone? (in other words, have I just not been that lucky?)

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GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 11:54 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by TrogMan:
I don't spend a lot of time in the bathroom either, but I will occasionally read something, and I'll be in there longer.

Have any of you ever spend so much time reading that your legs are alseep when you try to get up? I'm talking 10+ minutes at least.

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I was in there for 45 mins once, but my dad beats me at 2hrs+

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

PENGUIN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 12:07 PM (P)

TRISTAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:24 PM (P)

Morning, Imponderable-ers! Thanks for all the responses to the heart's desire question. I also loved the comment regarding the food source raising the child...priceless!

NVG, nice new sig! Um...has anyone told you your head's on fire?

Real wasabi is a pain to find around here....

Penguin, I need that C&H cartoon to hang up in my armory!

Thursday morning. One more day. Off to get coffee...I shall return soon.

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MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:41 PM (P)

Ok so here's the bath story. Mr.G decided to surprise me while I was stuck up in another city for a class on giving I.Q. and achievement tests for kids with disabilities. He booked a hotel room in the Anniversary Inn which has lovely theme rooms and such. It had this fabulous, huge whirlpool bathtub. So I bought this bubble bath and though we'd have a romantic bath...well I put the bubble bath in, we strip down and hit the jets....bubble EXPLOSION!! Foam is going everywhere, I can no longer see, Mr.G hits the off and it doesn't turn off...I am panicking and so is he. He hits the button over and over and it still doesn't turn off. He starts to call the front desk and I freak trying to squash bubbles while scrambling for clothes hoping we won't get kicked out when, miraculously, all by itself it turns off... We cleaned up and laughed and decided maybe a romantic snuggle in bed was safer:)

Normally I love baths and I do read in the tub, while eating, anywhere I can, and then some. My dad actually set up a tether rig because I kept reading while hiking and wandering off or falling:)It's nice to know I'm not as weird as everyone says. I figure I've been reading since I was 2 so it's not like I'm going to stop any time soon:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

PENGUIN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:55 PM (P)

TRISTAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:57 PM (P)

MSG, that kind of reminds me of the bubble bath incident on my honeymoon. The wife and I were staying at a local bed and breakfast (there are a lot of really huge, nice homes in this area) before heading to Florida. They had converted two rooms upstairs into a honeymoon suite, all decorated in Southern charm. The bathroom was large, dominated by a raised bath that was also quite large. We decided to take a bubble bath together, and took our bottle of champagne with us. Now, not having the chance to use many tubs of this stature (I am a shower man, too...have not taken "bath" in ten years), I did not know what all the dials and stuff did. So, after awhile of soaking and washing, we start messing with the dials. Turns out this is a jet tub...and bubbles form when you agitate the water. It wasn't a horror story, as we did not make too much of a mess, but we did manage to create so many bubbles that we could not see each other from across the tub.
Thank you for reminding me of that!

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TROGMAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:58 PM (P)

Morning, all! A question and some news today.

MsG - my daughter is a super-avid reader, all the time. She has had some stress over the fact that others can't read like she can and she is disturbed over the difference. We've done the basics of telling to be happy with herself, etc. - how did you navigate those waters when you were young? How much did your parents play a part? (I like your Dad's tether idea!)

Otherwise, I've been having some problems with my SO and communication (see 2 imponderable threads ago) - but last night things broke free a bit and communication ensued. I even tried Tristan's idea of the "When you ... I feel ..." approach (or was it MsG's?), and that worked well. I had to work hard to resist the "You need to do this .." approach, which is just my problem to deal with. We've got some bad habits going, but I think they are solvable. We decided step#1 is to agree on what a marriage is, what the expectations are. Things can't work if you have different definitions!

I saw a great quote recently - "Don't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel to appear - go down there and light the damn thing yourself." Love that quote! Maybe that's what we're doing.

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Am I moving forward now?

MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:04 PM (P)

Trogman- yes I had big problems with being a much better reader than the other kids. Teachers treat you like a nifty new toy and the kids treat you like a threat. Kinda sucks. I have been able to read since I was 2 and could read on a college level by the time I was 8. Turns you into a performing poodle ( ooh look what she can do)My parents put me in a school for unique kids ( I was already in the gifted school, but it didn't move fast enough)I really couldn't reccomend it. I think you have to deal with people who are different all the time and you need to learn patience with those who might not read or think as fast as you do or you end up very lonely. Just tell your munchkin that people are sometimes upset when they think someone is smarter than they are, but it will be less apparent when she is in jr. high and high school. See if you can get her to develop other interests like theater ( generally very acepting people) and music so that she has some common ground with the other kids:) Good Luck!
Also you can tell her the upside is college is a breeze:)

EDIT- have to bail and do my munchkin duty...two more days until their mom comes home:)
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

MAGDALENA

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:12 PM (P)

Funny we're talking about baths - for me a bath is a luxury , mmmmm a nice hot bath with some essential oils and just enough bubbles to make it special without making it difficult to clean afterwards...

And definitely not as many as you and Mr G had Ms G!!! (LOL )

I can't live without a shower though and found it very difficult to come to terms with when I lived in the UK and didn't have a shower every morning!!

I am living in a gorgeous house at the moment which has a lovely bath and a fantastic shower - so I am very happy!!

But for now ... I am off to bed - 'night all my lovely browncoat friends! mwaah - Magdalena x x x

P.S. I just watched the last 2 hours of '24' and it was a brilliant series! At the end they announced that 'Bones' is going to start next Thursday so I'll get to see what you are all talking about over there!! Also watching SG1 - a few weeks into the 9th season here (in Oz) and enjoying it more each week!

Mwaaah (again!) - Magda x x x

"I love my Captain!"

TROGMAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:16 PM (P)

That is great stuff you're sayin' - you and my daughter sound very similar - she is in a gifted school now, it is not matching her so well. I am really glad to hear your input!

Oddly enough, she is in a theater/drama camp right now, for the next 3 weeks - she's loving it.

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GOAT

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:31 PM (P)

dn: Wait, you mean that real crab meat doesn't come cylindrically shaped like that? I'm crushed Actually, I'm pretty sure that it was real crab that time since it actually looked like crab meat (wasn't solid) and tasted better, too. I haven't seen a california roll made like that since, though. Maybe it's becuase that place is a little too expensive for my tastes. I didn't understand why so many people don't like natto until I had it for the first time. After eating it enough times, it has started tasting better but I still don't think that its something I'm going to keep around by choice.

I was never really big on the whole bath thing until I got here. Now its every night. I suppose that having the bath right there every night may have something to do with it, though. I'll miss it when I leave.

My heart's desire? Contentment and peace. Not to get too caught up in this fast paced world of ours and to take time for the things that are really important like the people that I love and trying to make the world a better place a little bit at a time.

I read in the bathroom when I'm living in an apartment or a house, but not so much when I'm living in a dorm. It just feels wierd to do that when you are sharing a bathroom with that many other people. I suppose that here would be the place to do it, though since a lot of the toilet seats (even in a lot of public bathrooms) are heated and have water jets built into them in case you feel that you need to have that "just washed" feeling.

TRISTAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:39 PM (P)

Trogman, I am pretty sure it was MSG's idea, and it was a good one!
I was also an accelerated reader when I was young. I would just disappear for hours at a time into books. I was lucky in that no one treated me like a "prodigy", and I did have several little friends who were also accelerated like I was. I second MSG's suggestions...not really anything I can add to that!

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GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:44 PM (P)

LOL MSG, sounds like you had a both fun and romantic time!

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FIZZIX

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Deleted because...
... can't remember.

I gotta question.
Do women read in the bathroom? I've met maybe two or three who said they do. So why is reading more prevelent in the male bathroom break than in the female. Only answer I've gotten thus far is, "Men have to relax their brains somewhere." Considering leaving that as the answer. Someone change my mind. Please!

"And it burn burns burns
That ring of fire
That ring of fire."

Okay, lemme tell you, I can be inseperable from books. This is not one of those times where I am seperable from books. I don't leave things to read in the bathroom, but I read in the bathroom. And am a female. Of some species.

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May not be smart, and it may not please you, but you're definitely gonna see what I have to say.

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:49 PM (P)

Trogman,

Didn't you also mention your daughter loved horses? You might look at getting her involved there. I've seen the horse factor help tons of kids. Gives them oodles of self confidence, teaches patience, responsibility, sportsmanship, and has the added bonus of keeping the interest in boys at bay (...bay is the most common color of horse...I'm such a dork) for a little longer (if the child is really loves horses and the proper parenting is there to start with).

In my life, horses were always a stabilizing () influence. I took lessons and showed (when I could afford it...I had to pay for everything myself) from the time I was 11. I was also a brainy/nerdy child and had the gigantic glasses to prove it. I think the confidence the horses gave me helped me negotiate the tricky waters of youth. It's a life long passion and is still providing cheap therapy.

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"My feelings are changeable but intense" Anya (season 7 Buffy)

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:50 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
There's a question; is it true that all men have a "cave" and need lots of time alone? Or are there actually plenty of men who can be mostly open and like to spend lots of time with someone? (in other words, have I just not been that lucky?)

When I have a SO, we're usually inseparable. I'm just an affectionate kind of guy. Love holding hands, being together and what not. As for other guys, well I don't know. It seems a lot guys in their 20's are looking for fast women - flavor of the week type of deal.

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http://www.myspace.com/artv

TRISTAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:38 PM (P)

Hello, Fizzix! Not sure if you have been on these threads before...but if not, welcome!

RugBug...stable? Um...you sure about that?
*ducks the horseshoe lobbed at his head*

GED, never really been a major fan of "fast" women myself, but I am over the 20's. I like women that know themselves, and have a good time being who they are. Boy, that looks confusing, but it makes sense in my mind...

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:38 PM (P)

Mornin' to all.

I must admit to dwelling in my cave a little too much here and there. But if there is someone around to keep company with, I seem to only sleep and keep clothes there.

Ged is right on. Most guys who look for fast women are usually emotionally distant and want little time for anything but themselves. The rest who specifically look for the fast ones are just too busy for anthing more time consuming. Had to be real careful in the past not to get into those types of situations. Real easy to establish patterns that form around your lifestyle.

Be back in a bit all you wonderful Imponderablers.

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:54 PM (P)

So I just heard from her... she's not ready for something romantic right now, and that's okay. Ahh well, the search goes on for me though.

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This above all, — to thine ownself be true.
http://www.myspace.com/artv

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 3:54 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
RugBug...stable? Um...you sure about that?
*ducks the horseshoe lobbed at his head*

Heh, I deserve that horseshoe. There's no excuse for bad puns this early in the morning.

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"My feelings are changeable but intense" Anya (season 7 Buffy)

TRISTAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:02 PM (P)

RugBug, nothing but love I hold for thee in my heart. Just couldn't let that one go.

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WHITEFALL

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:09 PM (P)

Ah, morning to all you funny ponderers.

Ok, so no bath stories here... hmmm accelerated readers? Well myself, I've always read pretty well (not as well as my sisters, who read "fast like a freak" n' all the time) but I dont really recall that causing a ton of problems for me... eh, i dunno.

It's weird, for all that I want to get into writing n stuff, I dont read very much at all. Eh, I blame reading logs in 2nd grade for that. Made reading into homework, so I wanted to stop whenever I could. That's my theory. Traumitized for life I am. But either way, tis a little contradictory.

And PR, as for where all the guys like me were in high school... um.... in theater? (Just in the group i'm in, we have... ok, had, some graduated, a flamboyantly gay guy, and a few not as obvious lesbians and bi folk. It's all good. I can't say how seriously they feel it, but we don't mind. The dirty minds of theater accomidate all sorts.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:15 PM (P)

So did she ask to stay friends or what? Is this where the 20's guy statement came from? Could she possibly just be looking for someone to grapple with and you are just too good for her? Is your search continuing for an appropriate mate?
Am I asking too many questions?
Could it be I am tired and happy another morning after staying up late watching movies and laughing?
Can I be losing my already questionable mind?

TRISTAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:20 PM (P)

NVG, are you ok? Today is the day I cannot resist these things!

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ZEEK

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ged:
So I just heard from her... she's not ready for something romantic right now, and that's okay. Ahh well, the search goes on for me though.

That sucks man. Just keep looking.

At least you've had a date recently. You're topping me there. So, that should make you feel good right?

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:28 PM (P)

Haha thanks, but dates are pretty rare for me. But, I've stopped playing WoWcrack and have gotten back to real life, so now I guess I'll be putting myself into social places and trying to meet people. I'm still new in this state, so I have just a few friends.

On a lighter note, I've started reading the last Harry Potter novel. I bought it when it came out, but didn't get around to reading it. I loved the others ones and this one is getting interesting.

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This above all, — to thine ownself be true.
http://www.myspace.com/artv

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:32 PM (P)

All is good. I took my nephew and the girl next door to town last night to buy brownie mix. Spent the rest of the evening watching Signs and cooking. She ended up falling asleep on the couch.
Been up twice since 1:00AM for baby feeding. Kinda tired and silly.

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:42 PM (P)

NVG, yeah we're going to stay friends and such. This isn't where the 20's statement came from, that was just kind of my view on some guys in their 20's. Is she looking for someone just to grapple with? I don't know, but I doubt it. I don't think I'm too good for her, I just think that she's not ready to be with someone again. She just got out of a 4 year relationship about a month ago, so it's quite understandable. As for me looking for an appropriate mate, yeah, I'm still keepin' my eye out for a good girl.

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This above all, — to thine ownself be true.
http://www.myspace.com/artv

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 4:53 PM (P)

Forgot about the previous SO.

Seems she may be a bit distant in the chest area anyhow. Four year long distant relationship. She's gotta be a pretty busy lady to put up with that.

Glad to hear you've crawled out of the cave (and away from the WOW). Seems alotta folk get stuck in the online culture and have a tough time escaping. Might I be speaking about myself. Kinda glad I have no online access at home. Already addicted enough to FFF.NET.

MSG- Thought of the Dennis the Menace movie when everyone was talkin' about reading. From a teachers point of view, what do you think is the biggest obstacle to kids reading? Mine was a step dad who loved me well enough, but could read very little. Do you see alot of parents making things worse (directly/indirectly) for their childrens education? If so, than what could they do better? Just tryin' to give PsychoBilly (nephew) a headstart.

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Thursday, August 3, 2006 5:41 PM (P)

Helloooo. Went to my nan's today, to move 2 tonnes of logs, she was getting delivered for her new log fire, not so bad as shifting 2 tonnes of anything at my house, as she has a bungalow and a flat garden. thank god.

Quote:
Originally posted by TrogMan:
When I was 15, I made my own book stand for reading while taking a bath. I tested it out, opened up the book, put it on the stand - and PLOP it fell right in the water.

And there went my inventor streak! Poof.

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lol. thanks trogman, ya just made me choke on my fudge!

PR: phewf! you had me all worried their about that spider thing!

I read in the bathroom, but only in the bath. I do all my revising for exams in the bath, which goes great untill I discover a loose sheet in a book,or accidentally drop said book. My longest bath record is about 3 hours.
Can spend forever in the shower, taking showers to save water has never worked for me! I've pleaded time and time again for us to get a lock on the bathroom door (Why the hell can't people learn to knock!?!)but the answer is always: No! We have enough trouble getting you out of their now!

like many of you on here, I read all the the time. only times when i'm not reading something is when I'm asleep. I always have to find something to read. When I'm on holiday, just lying on abeach, I can get through 2 books per day.
you guys and your baths stories, you crack me up!!
My hearts desire is simply to be happy and to be loved.

Liking your sig, NV. BTW, Whats a cracker jack?

Awww, Ged, better luck next time, at least you had fun, right?

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I haven't had this much fun since the last time I ate a lightbulb

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

TROGMAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:01 PM (P)

Thanks RugBug! I'd love to hear anything that will help "navigate the tricky waters of youth." Kids today need all the help they can get.

We had heard about the horse factor as well; she did a horsemanship camp a few weeks ago (learning how to feed, brush, otherwise care for them), and has done some riding, will do more this fall. I think she feels the same way you do about them - just horse-crazy.

Wow, she should really meet you and MsG.

You all are so helpful!

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:10 PM (P)

Cracker Jacks are a snack food made popular at the beginning of the twentieth century after the advent of commercial popcorn. It is a caramel covered mixture of popcorn and peanuts. Introduced at the world fair in the 1890's.
The highly sought after toy ring is the pinnicle of food prizes. The prizes today are uaually little puzzles and the occasional tattoo.

Really flattered that my pondering has held for twenty four hours. So in general women read in the bath for the most part, men prefer showers so they read on the toilet, bubblebaths with SO's can be dangerous and hilarious at the same time, and the search goes on for answers to the many mysteries of the sexes.

Dang phone won't stop ringing. Looks like I gotta work. Hooray work!

PENGUIN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:18 PM (P)

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:21 PM (P)

I just remembered that British movie theaters give you an option of sweet or salty popcorn.

Let me tell you, the sweet is kinda icky. But then, I don't eat a lot of sugar.

Cracker Jacks are NOT icky!

Why do I sound like a 5 year old?

one of the Forsaken TM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:24 PM (P)

*waves her hand* Token female who reads on the toilet, not in the bath. I like to just close my eyes and have a snooze in the bath, as long as I have something to prop my head up so I don't accidentally drown. Anywho, looks like I'm the exception that proves the rule.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:26 PM (P)

Thanks Penguin. Love to see little bits of advertising/labels from the past. Not too many left for folks to take a gander at these days.
The prize was added in 1912? Thought I had enough useless knowledge on Cracker Jacks pinned to my brain. Now the page is complete. Looks like I gotta purge something.
Good-bye seventh grade!

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Ged:

On a lighter note, I've started reading the last Harry Potter novel. I bought it when it came out, but didn't get around to reading it. I loved the others ones and this one is getting interesting.

Oh, oh, oh...me too. Started it on Monday, but had to put it aside to finish the Buffy equivalent of Finding Serenity, watch the last few episodes of Brisco County, Jr. (I want a man like Brisco...except without all the rescuing) and then I wanted to remind myself what happened in the Order of the Phoenix. I can't for the life of me remember. But will diligently start reading this weekend.

It's weird, for all that I want to get into writing n stuff, I dont read very much at all. Eh, I blame reading logs in 2nd grade for that. Made reading into homework, so I wanted to stop whenever I could. That's my theory. Traumitized for life I am. But either way, tis a little contradictory.

Whitefall: I'm yin to your yang. I hate to write but love to read. I would've been an English major in college except for all the writing.

I took a ton of extra English classes just for fun. I even went so far as to obtain a copy of the Masters reading list (wasn't easy, that) and was working my way through it.

Ah, reading....*Rugbug's eyes go hazy and she drifts off to thoughts of a drizzly afternoon curled up by the fire with a good book and a glass of red wine, preferably Syrah*

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"My feelings are changeable but intense" Anya (season 7 Buffy)

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:55 PM (P)

thanks all for your cracker jack definitions.
I just spent the last hour or so deciding whicg firefly quote to get on a t-shirt.
here's what I narrowed it down to:

I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you

I think you have a probem with your brain being missing

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayl (with or without the dino pic?)

and (cos searched monty pyhton too)
You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest... with... a herring!

I think I'm doing quite weel, as I started off with about 15, but i still can't decide. What od you guys think?

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Don't you lock up something that you wanted to see fly, hands are for shaking no not tying. Soundgarden
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:55 PM (P)

oh, double post. fiddlesticks!

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Don't you lock up something that you wanted to see fly, hands are for shaking no not tying. Soundgarden
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Oh, oh, oh...me too. Started it on Monday, but had to put it aside to finish the Buffy equivalent of Finding Serenity, watch the last few episodes of Brisco County, Jr. (I want a man like Brisco...except without all the rescuing) and then I wanted to remind myself what happened in the Order of the Phoenix. I can't for the life of me remember. But will diligently start reading this weekend.

***SPOILER FOR HARRY POTTER 5 - DON'T READ ON IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT***

In Order of the Phoenix, they had that horrible Professor Umbridge who was the teacher for Defense Against the Dark Arts. She had Dumbledore unseated at Hogwarts and ran the school like a prison. I forget how or why she was removed, but she was. I think she had ties to Lucius Malfoy. Anyway, Harry gets to stay with Sirius for the summer. There's a little house elf that betrays Sirius too. So there was that prophecy held in the Ministry of Magic that the Death Eaters were looking to obtain that was about Harry and Voldemort. Sirius Black was killed by Bellatrix at the Ministry while the kids were trying to defend the prophecy from getting into their hands. So there's about as much as I can remember about it!

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RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Do you see alot of parents making things worse (directly/indirectly) for their childrens education? If so, than what could they do better? Just tryin' to give PsychoBilly (nephew) a headstart.

Hey NV, I'm not MSG (obviously) nor a teacher, but I played one for a very short time. And had the debt to prove that I was a fully accredited elementary teacher with Science, English and P.E. add-on credentials through the ninth grade (all those extra English classes I just mentioned as well as a B.S. in P.E. with a pre-physical therapy course of study were good for something).

READ TO THOSE CHILDREN. Read A LOT. Studies show that kids that are read to tend to do better in school.

Do your best to help them with homework. Schools are giving even the tiniest of tots homework these days. I think that's a travesty, but if it's assigned, it needs to be done. Help them, without doing the work, and do it cheerfully. If you can think of ways to make things more fun, the kiddies will really respond.

Also, no negative talk of school. If you're excited about it, they will be too. Kids mimic what they adults around them do, say, and their attitudes. If your actions and words show that school is fun, they will believe it until their experience proves otherwise.

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"My feelings are changeable but intense" Anya (season 7 Buffy)

TROGMAN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 7:59 PM (P)

I'd go with "Curse your Sudden...". That one still makes me shot milk out my noise, it is so funny. (When I'm not even drinking milk, too! )

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VINTERDRAKEN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 8:40 PM (P)

I read both in the bath and on the toilett (although then mostly comics). Matter of fact a month or so ago I got my "those left behind" comic, poured myself a nice bubble bath, some cold coke, candles, and just enjoyed.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:05 PM (P)

Thanks. I try to read to PB, but he seems to be more about pictures and activity right now. He does have a great memory on what was discussed within the book. I remember learning to read then being able to see things like bill boards, menu's, and kids books in my mind and read them. Really hoping he'll be able to do the same with some of the things we show him.
Condolences on the flat spot in your financial history. Seems to be an occasional concern aired within the board by those of us with a work history in the human services field. Kinda dumb that a teacher has to have as much school as a doctor just to be paid a miniscule amount.
Not like you're aiding in the formation of the worlds young minds or anything. Or playing part time parent to alot of parent less children. Or...
... Sorry folks, ranting again. I need something to be passionate about. Think I'll start a sitting garden at the family house. Either that or work on the Rez' Rod.
Decisions, decisions.

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:26 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Thanks. I try to read to PB, but he seems to be more about pictures and activity right now. He does have a great memory on what was discussed within the book.

How old is he again? A lot of times, reading to them is just letting them turn the pages when they want, reading parts, asking questions about the pictures, having them point to different colors, or characters.

There is one test for wee ones that involves a bizarre book with all kinds of errors. The very first "question" is to hand the book to the child upside down and backwards. If the child turns the book the right direction, they "pass." If not, you know they are starting from a very big deficit. Other pages are upside down, or the words are backwards. It's all about the mechanics of reading. They learn about those mechanics from sitting on your lap and reading along with you.

SBDB: you should check out CafePress. There are sooooooooo many Firefly/Serenity shirts to choose from. All the quotes you've mentioned, plus a myriad more. I only have one from 11th hour (serenity symbols w/o text) but will be getting something else soon. I think I want an "Also, I can kill you with my brain" or a "Define interesting...." Both are obscure to non-fans, but will stand out to flans in an instant.

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LITTLEALBATROSS29

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:30 PM (P)

Hi there Ponderers !

I've been away awhile. Took a family vacation to the beautiful Adirondack mountains. I even hiked a trail Called get this - Serenity trail ( for adventurers only ), which led to Serenity Island.Which was of course the most beautiful & cool spot on the hike.I'll post the pics when they're developed.
Anyway seems like I've missed about a billion threads while gone.

I don't have a working shower & I can't read in my tub.As Woody Allen said in Annie Hall-"This is New York City .Bad plumbing and bugs." or something similar.
I don't always have hot water, and no matter how clean I keep it ,the roaches are winning the fight.Doesn't go well with relaxing in the tub. do love my books though.

Bryce
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I swallowed a bug.

GED

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:42 PM (P)

Welcome back LilAlbatross/Bryce! Sounds like you had a grand ol' time and I'm looking forward to those pics of Serenity!

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:46 PM (P)

PsychoBilly will be three on October 31st, (Halloween and Nevada Day for all of ya's out there not in the know). If it is a book he knows, he usually corrects the mistake. Sometimes he will correct a book he doesn't know. So far he can: Count to ten in English and Mexican, Get through J before trailing off, use the restroom and wash his hands by himself, turn on the tv and change channels at will, and build an escape route over the baby barrier. Though, he still has some residual behavioral problems from before. I know he'd been around plenty of people dealing with their kids while drunk or high. I suspect he's seen some domestic violence. Once, while my moms boyfriends son and his friend were wrestling in the house, PB became very upset. He tried getting them to stop, screaming and crying the whole time. The boys didn't understand that he was scared, angering me near to the point of him witnessing more domestic violence. People don't really understand to what degree the things they do in front of their effects them.
Long winded in the subject.

MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 9:56 PM (P)

Wow I would swear those kids are trying to kill me:) Just one more day..played one on one basketball with the 12 year old ( may I curl up and die now) I am so tired:) Oh well it's still fun

NV- oh yes I do see parents both directly ( you don't need no fractions to do that) and indirectly ( parent tells child the parent just got dumped and forces child to stay up all night consoling them and child gets no sleep)screwing up their kids education. Actually find the indirects a bigger problem.

Trog- well she sounds like she'll be fine. For me it helped to be part of a family of the freakish. #1 sis could identify the artist for any of the masters just by loooking at the painting by age 7, #2 sis played a game meant to help med students review for anatomy( you haven't lived till you've seen an 8 year old listing all features and functions of the limbic system)and was an assistant to a grad student at age 12. Brother got a perfect( and I mean perfect) score on the Advanced Placement Calculus test without taking the class or studying.So I am just one of the freaks in my family and that helped..do you have others for her?
Also, seriously that reading speed really helps tons later. Mine's about 350 pages per hour and it meant that all those fab reading assignments in college could be put off until the very last minute.

Reading Logs- any teacher who uses reading logs should be smacked hard with something heavy!!! Reading should not be a chore, and it's just laziness on the teachers part. They can scan the log and see if the kid read instead of creating complex comprehension questions for each kids book.

EDIT- NV I think the special hell should be expanded to include all neglectful and abusive parents!

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:05 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
People don't really understand to what degree the things they do in front of their effects them.

They are so easly influenced it's amazing. Little, silly influence story: My mom was out to dinner with her grandaughter (my step-neice). Mom and Lexie always used to "share" my mom's Tortilla soup. Mom would give Lexie the zucchini out of it, which Lexie thought was delicious as well as fun b/c, you know, sharing and all. That is until the day my mom told the waitress that she didn't like the zucch and so gave it to granddaughter. From that day forward, Lexie will not touch zucchini. Lexie was about two and half when that happened.

Oh, *blowing the dust off the edges of my teaching education memory*, I forgot another reading/imagination game. If they know a book so well they can "read" the last page themselves, have them make up an ending. Ask questions like "What do you think would happen if______?" or ask him to come up with an ending of his own and then set him down with some crayons and paper to draw a picture for his ending. You can also do that with a brand new book. Stop before the last page and do the "How do you think it is going to end?" questions and then finish the story. Blah, blah, blah...will shut up now with reading tips.

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MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:12 PM (P)

Rugbug...yup see now that's a teacher. Ask questions, encourage imagination. Why aren't you teaching???? It's not like we have so many good teachers we can afford to let a good one get away:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

ZEEK

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:16 PM (P)

I figured I didn't have anything to add to the reading on the toilet, in the bath or in the shower discussion. Mainly cause I don't do any of the above. Just seems like the book would either get cooties or wet. I like my books to be in tip top condition if at all possible.

Anyway the one thing I will do on the toilet is bring my laptop and play poker. That's if I'm in the middle of a game and the urge hits me. Which has happened more than a few times. Anybody else or am I unique on that one?

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:21 PM (P)

Mostly because I actually hated teaching. I liked the theories (mostly...some of it just gets me all riled up these days...for example, Skill and Drill can be an important part of the learning process. It shouldn't be the sole learning activity, but it certainly should accompany more creative lessons. But education these days frowns on Skill and Drill. And don't get me started on learning teams.... ) but don't like the day-to-day or the bureaucracy of teaching. Teachers have to really want "it", I didn't...and it wasn't fair to the kids to be there half-assed. So I quit. Haven't regretted that decision (other than having to pay off the clear credential without really using it).

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MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:24 PM (P)

ok forgot you were in California...the land education forgot. You guys are under the weirdest set of regulations and have some of the strangest teaching set ups I have ever seen...by the way since Skill and Drill has vast research supporting it, it is used regularly in most Utah classroom as the supplemental instruction...move here!!! You can even bring your horses...we have tons of horse property and it's not anywhere near as pricey as California
EDIT- it may be a state full of religious freaks, but they're well educated religious freaks.
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

RUGBUG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:33 PM (P)

Hrmmm, never thought of teaching in another state. But really, I think the biggest thing that gets in my way is not really wanted to spend most of my day with children. Didn't realize it back when I got the credential, 'cause I like children well enough, but I just don't like them that all day long, every day.

Speaking of horses: I'm out to ride the pony.

Hope you survive the last day with the kidlets. I need an exhausted emoticon here, but am too lazy to go get one.

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MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:37 PM (P)

Ah well then:) Hugs the tired Rugbug

Hey I have an odd imponderable...so I am sure that everyone at some point wished they had a different first name ( pretty sure all kids go through this stage) soooo what did you want to be named???

When I was 5 my step dad adopted me and I got to pick a new middle name. I really wanted to pick a new first name (so glad they didn't let me) I wanted to be named Princess Lily..
So how 'bout it Imponderables?? What did you want to be named?

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