Male and Female Imponderables--Dancing in the Dark

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GED

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:01 PM

Busy day at work! Not able to catch atm.

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SEAOTTER

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:06 PM

Aw, thanks, NV. Nice group.

ZEEK

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:08 PM

You see RugBug the problem is that guys often think girls they like do look like they should be on the cover of fashion magazines. Lots of women look pretty darn good to us if they're what we're looking for. My bet is that every girl is some guy's type. So, don't you worry. Some guy out there thinks you're a super model.

KELKHIL

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:10 PM

Yeah I agree to that. Except us guys are in the same boat. We are expected to have Mal's kinda boy next door looks with Jayne's muscles and still be sweet all the time. It get's kinda hard on us as well.

I mean I weighed 155 pounds all through high school and I am 6'1" tall. talk about a skeleton! No Janye bod here. It took me until my enlistment in the army was up to put on any weight. I weighed 180 pounds when I got out.

And everybody can't look like Mal I am sorry. Not that I would want too anyway. Not my type of good looks.

And sweetness. Well I think we grow into that as we get older. There are things that I put up with now that would have been a blow-up name calling bash and there are things that I do that I would not have thought of before. We either learn it or are never going to have it.

I think the difference between guys and girls on this topic is that you opposite gender types think that we can be trained to be sweet. We do not think that you all can be trained nor do we want to tempt it. If I like a person it is for who they are not who I think they could be.

Wow rmabled a bit here.

Kelkhil

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:18 PM

Very welcome SeaOtter.

Ya know RugBug, I wish it didn't have to be that way.

Went here this weekend.

RUGBUG

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
My bet is that every girl is some guy's type. So, don't you worry. Some guy out there thinks you're a super model.

Of course.

And don't worry about me.

Most days I think I look just fine. But there are still those nagging insecurities that creep in....

Kelhkil: I've always thought the standards for men are much less rigorous than for women. You disagree? (I've definitely got a type I prefer, (thinnish but with some muscle...no hulks, please) but as long as he is a good person, he's got a shot).

Women are suppose to be skinny and have big boobs. Only a small portion of the female population is that way naturally. And the degree of thin-ness that is popular right now is ridiculous. Little lolli-pop girls. It's no wonder so many celebrities smoke. The nicotine keeps them away from food.

NV: Wow, that is just gorgeous. Next time you go, give me a call. A couple hours is nothing, right?

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:43 PM

KELKHIL, I never really thought about the demands on men being anywhere near what they are on women. I'm a skinny guy too. 5'11" 145lbs. Not much I can do about it. If I eat like a crazy person I just start to develope a gut and the rest of me stays the same. The only thing I can do is put on some muscle, but I'm lazy. I don't really worry about it though.

As far as guys not trying to change women, I'm with you there. If I'm not into a girl's personality then she's got no shot. I'm not going to bother trying to change a person.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:47 PM

More than welcome. Though it is great horse country, I prefer to walk. Does that make me strange?
GND really loves her horses, kinda surprized she didn't take them this weekend.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:31 PM

Gosh, must be lunchtime or something. So I'm all alone. Time to do the nasty.

(Takes out garbage, washes out can)

Think I need to smoke now.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:37 PM

Do not blacken your lungs, for you have friends!

*hugs NVG to show him he's not alone*

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:41 PM

OK

Planning on traveling to meet my friend. Am a bit worried he won't like me I am afraid that stress and prednisone have contributed to 20 more pounds of me than I like. He tells me not to worry, but....

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

one of the Forsaken TM

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:41 PM

just had to get the horrible taste of bleach out of my mouth. Didn't smoke, just ate lunch.
MMM, soft taco's.

FMF- I need info, (too lazy to catch up thread). So how much younger is he. And why are you worried. You're great. You're mighty. and You're a Browncoat, (as I hope he is too).

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:47 PM

Awww, don't feel bad FMF. If he tells you not to worry then there's no need to worry! Of course he'll like you. He'd have to be a crazy person not to!

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FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:48 PM

He is 10+ younger. And I guess I just have a self esteem thing.

Thanks DesktopHippie!

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

one of the Forsaken TM

DEEPGIRL187

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:50 PM

You're one of the shinyest folks I know, FMF. He'd be moonbrained not to like you. And if he doesn't, he'll have an angry horde of Browncoats to contend with.

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"Oooh, synchronizers!"

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:51 PM

Ah, who cares if he's crazy. I'm crazy and I like ya.
Now where did I leave the pudding cups.
No pudding in them, just the cups.

WHITEFALL

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:56 PM

FMF, dont worry about it, ask Tristan, he'll tell you age has nothing to do with it. (I take liberty to assume, he is our resident age-difference-happily-married-guy, after all)

As for the looks thing, I have to agree with the guys on here, and I'm in much the same boat. I actually used to be something overweight, now i'm more or less a good weight, cause i eat better. I don't exercise enough, mostly for the above reason of being lazy. Anyhoo, on women, I for one coult not care less what the current styles are, and while ladies of the higher weight classes are a little awkward on the eyes sometimes, I have no problem with them, and it's all in the personality. In the exact same way, people who are in the lower weight classes can be awkward cause ya gotta be concerned about how skinny they are. And again, all in the personality, and the 'look', and I dont mean appearance by that. It's part confidence, part inherant face shape, and a lot of character, and it's hard to describe. Eh, me and women, a crazy subject.

P.S. Rugbug, no I never got your PM, but i'm sorry if I offended you. Religion-y stuff is so hard to describe right.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

SEAOTTER

Monday, August 21, 2006 9:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
OK

Planning on traveling to meet my friend. Am a bit worried he won't like me I am afraid that stress and prednisone have contributed to 20 more pounds of me than I like. He tells me not to worry, but....

And he would be right.

How you feel (confidence and warmth) hit a person first, and more strongly.

Right before you see him, remember all the great things people here have said about you. Get them good and burned on your brain.

Then go meet the new friend (because you too get to decide whether it will be anything more).

MSG

Monday, August 21, 2006 10:29 PM

argh$#$^^&%^%^&II%#@##$#%^&*()_)(*&^%$#@$%^&*()_+)(*&^

Sorry it was an 8 hour training and our principal is big on running it like he ran his classroom, so while there are jokes and such you have to be quiet and be paying attention the whole time. He will actually single out teachers and say stop doing that or pay attention if he thinks they aren't. That said, he's really usually a great guy just a bit picky regarding meetings ( which he calls "his time")
NV- I think magazines are one aspect, but I'd have to say women are another aspect. For every great supportive woman, there are maybe 2 who will pick you apart in a hearbet and make fun of you or subtly insult you for how you dress/cut your hair/ wear make up etc and so women get constant reinforcement that says " you aren't pretty enough, skinny enough, fashionable enough and because of that no one likes you" Remember that Gloria Vanderbuilt was NOT kidding when she said " you can never be too rich or too thin." Also note that 80% of ten year old girls are or have been on a diet...being on a diet becomes such a constant that you don't even think about it, you are just always careful not to eat much or eat high cal foods especially in public for most girls.

Side note- in 5 separate research studies they gave both men and women drawings of female bodies in various sizes and asked both genders to pick the size of woman they felt MEN would most be attracted to. In every study, women picked a woman 10-18% smaller than the guys did...

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

SEAOTTER

Monday, August 21, 2006 10:33 PM

msg, I love your banner!

You even have the timing down!

(I've been singing along)

Really great!

(and yes, I agree, women are often the worst misogynists)

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, August 21, 2006 10:58 PM

I
Can't
Stop
Singing

Just a little concerned when I hear certain things.
That and I just wanna smack folks upside the head who say they are ugly and are obviously better looking than I.

Thanks MSG for the singalong.

MSG

Monday, August 21, 2006 11:55 PM

Desktop Hippie made it for me...isn't it lovely:)
It just makes me smile everytime I see it:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:00 AM

Gotta be movin' on. A might tired and a buddy is in town for his grandma's funeral.

Thanks MSG for the help. Sent virtual flowers to GND today, but the first attempt was crap (link failed). I'm cursed.

Hope to see y'all tomorrow.

P.S.- I get no notification from any other threads but this one and the Notification club, and this one ain't too reliable.

TRISTAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:20 AM

Hey, all!
I will be away from the computer all week...I am in a training class, so I don't have access to a computer. I am missing the lively discussion already!

The good news is that I got a notification from the site! Only one, but it's a start!

When this thread gets too long, please start another one...all I ask is that it retain the Imponderables title along with a random song. And is y'all wouldn't mind, please email me the new link so I can at least keep up! tristan71@cableone.net
Thank you!
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PENGUIN

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:26 AM

A random song.....

Sea of Love

Having my Baby

She Blinded Me with Science

Random enough for you?

WHITEFALL

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:41 AM

How's about... SUPPERTIME!!!! Sorry, we just did a little promo for YAGMCB, and that's what we did, and all things considered it went ok. The dance team near dropped one of their ladies, so I feel we got off alright.

But seriously... Male and Female Imponderables - Suppertime.

Nah.

I agree, women are too critical of themselves in general. I figure that if a girl tries to be thinner to attract the opposite sex (whether she knows that or not), she'll attract the wrong sorta guys who are interested in waist size. I dunno. I'm just a theorist.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:08 AM

Ok first: YAY! The droolworthy one finally got online and wrote back to me! (Now that I'm back at work.) So a date could very well be in the very near future. YAY!
Insecurities; I don't suffer from them all that much, but they do pop up. If no one is showing interest in me, it makes me wonder what's wrong. If a SO particularly isn't giving me any attention, I start to wonder why. And with my weight having just gone up by, uh, quite a bit, I've wondered if I look that good and I've been trying to get the weight off again, with some success. I think, though, that one of the blessings of being bi is that when I see a beautiful woman (or one that I consider beautiful) I don't think "I wish I looked like her" I think "Wow, I wish I could get with her!" And I, personally, am not attracted to many skinny women (with a few notable exceptions) which just makes me feel better about myself. I'm attracted to girls who look a lot more like me, so that makes me feel attractive. Weird? Yeah, maybe. But it works for me.
And sometimes a woman will kinda sneer at me for what I'm wearing (only when I'm being sloppy, though. I don't follow trends, but I'm fashionable. Does everyone know the difference? 'K good ) and I'll just think "Yeah, well, if I wasn't me I'd be flirting with me so you're dumb!" Or something along those lines. It's fun.
I like "She Blinded Me With Science". Good Imponderable name.

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Gautama Siddharta

DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:43 AM

*rummages in teacher bag/homework bag (yeah, I get to carry papers home ) and pulls out the container with the hand-rolled chocolate decadence*
*pulls out the roundest, biggest two and hands one to MsG with a warning* Nibble or let it melt in your mouth...(it's that good).
And I know exactly what you mean. *sigh* You'd think that administrators would keep up with the teaching methodologies that they insist that teachers use/do, but no.

Oh well...

PR: Congrats. As someone else said (I forgot, my mind is a sieve): Hope he's a Wash (red hair and all, even).

Tristan: Aww...boo. Hope the meetings and etc. are worthwhile (and not like MsG's nor mine ).

Songs -- Act Naturally (I know the song is on the depressing side, but the title could be a suggestion for all to behave like ourselves)

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:16 AM

Well, I know from his picture that he's not a strawberry blond, but that's ok. He doesn't have to look exactly like Wash. I'd post his picture, but I've wondered if that would be some kind of privacy violation. I mean, obviously it's up online already, but you know.
On another note, y'all are really convincing me not to be a teacher, ever. Also that teaching should be the highest paid profession...

Eurgh, I just got a message from a 40 year old who wants to "meet" with me. On his profile it says what he is looking for is "intimate encounter". Man could conceivably have a daughter my age. How gross!

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Gautama Siddharta

DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:45 AM

Well, PR, like I always say, teaching's like the Peace Corps: "The toughest job you'll ever love." There are others who claim that teaching is a calling. (If it is, how I got that call is beyond me, since I "fell" into it.)

...and for all the fustrations, it does have its rewards -- just not monetary. The "aha!" moments, the "Hi Miss!" and warmth from students who still remember us fondly. (Heck, I'm pretty sure that it tickles some of my former teachers that I'm a teacher now.)

MAGDALENA

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:30 AM

Hello Dear Impoderables...

(just realised I still write on the forum like I'm writing a letter sometimes...)

WOW!! Yay!! Happy Day Darlin' PR!! I knew he would get in touch!!! ... (and you knew what I meant about him being a 'Wash'!!) Have fun with the flirtin' gorgeous girl!!

Funny thing - teaching - as a student I loathed and detested school... I was miserable and never met my potential and didn't go to university as it would have been difficult to commit to the kind of level of work-ethics that I knew it would demand, when my heart wasn't in it. Now - 20 years later, I am seriously thinking of going to Uni as a 'mature student' (I don't think they'd accept me as an immature one) to study Theology and History, and then do a Dip Ed. 'Does that seem right to you?'

I think it is a calling too - not a job you aspire to as a career if you like flash cars and holidays in the tropics... but one you know you have to do if you care about the development of the next generation and want to share your insight and patience for those 'lightbulb moments'. I think that being a nanny is a bit like that too... it'll never pay well, but you get love and hugs thrown in!!

FMF - go for it - I keep telling myself that if I don't take a deep breath and just smile and be myself I will never give anyone the opportunity to just love me for who I am. If I am projecting 'Uh... don't know what I'm doing here...I am so fat...I am so unattractive... who am I kidding... why would anyone want to look at me... then all the above will be exactly what others read in me! (I keep saying it... and yet?) I know you are gorgeous - wonderful friend, wonderful mother, wonderful and fun woman! Just relax, have fun and remember, going to meet him isn't actually committing to a life-long relationship... it's just 'going to meet him'. It helps me to ask a guy out (well - it helped me to ask a guy out) to remember that I was just asking him out... not asking him to marry me!! It worked too, although he's seeing someone else we're now friends!

A week without Tristan.... how will we get through it.... Be good Tristan... (I know we will...)

MsG - I had a teacher at college when I was 32 who talked to us like we were primary aged students. My train was late one morning and there were three of us on it and as we rushed into the room, 10 minutes late and appologising profusely, she made a point of getting out her roll book and saying 'lateies' in a most disapproving voice. We had never been late before I might add!!! Nice in other ways - but not when I came to maintaining order - she just had the one style obviously!! I can relate to you and your principal!

Well, hi NVG!! Haven't seen you for a while - it's good to hear about your fun weekend - and thanks to all of you for the supportive comments! It is good to be reminded of our finer qualities every now and again! I think it's a good thing when we can express ourselves in a caring environment like this without the angst of our appearance issues getting in the way!

Love you all! - Magdalena x x x

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:54 AM

Teaching should indeed be a high paid job. The highest of high paid jobs. In fact, let me just say that to my boss!

I think teachers can occasionally get stuck in a groove where they end up dealing with everyone the same way they deal with their students. I know I have a very annoying habit of explaining things clearly and in great detail to people who didn't ask and don't care. The reason I know this is because they tell me. Often.

Quote:
Remember that Gloria Vanderbuilt was NOT kidding when she said " you can never be too rich or too thin."

I thought that was Rasputina! *loves Transylvanian Concubine*

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DANCINGNEKO

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by magdalena:

Funny thing - teaching - as a student I loathed and detested school... I was miserable and never met my potential and didn't go to university as it would have been difficult to commit to the kind of level of work-ethics that I knew it would demand, when my heart wasn't in it. Now - 20 years later, I am seriously thinking of going to Uni as a 'mature student' (I don't think they'd accept me as an immature one) to study Theology and History, and then do a Dip Ed. 'Does that seem right to you?'

*comfort* I'm sorry that was your experience in school. But yep, that does seem right to me.

Teachers tend to be those who had a really good experience or really bad experience. The ones with the really good experiences tend to want to pass on what they experienced. The ones with bad experiences go in to improve the system.

Quote:

I think it is a calling too - not a job you aspire to as a career if you like flash cars and holidays in the tropics... but one you know you have to do if you care about the development of the next generation and want to share your insight and patience for those 'lightbulb moments'. I think that being a nanny is a bit like that too... it'll never pay well, but you get love and hugs thrown in!!

What?! No tropical vacations?! *blinks* Does that mean that someone is going to make me fly off these islands to somewhere dreary and depressing? *ponders* Okay, just as long as I can visit those imaginary places (like Colorado, Utah, Iowa, Minnesotta, Oregon, Washington, or England, Ireland, and Scotland) and dropped back here to work the "salt mines" of public school in Hawai`i.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:53 AM

Is Ireland imaginary? Because that would explain a lot...

I fully approve of mature students. I was totally clueless about what I wanted to do with my life when I went to University. I studied English because I loved it, but I was terrified about how I'd get a job. It took me years to find my niche. I think a lot of people are better off waiting until they know for sure what it is they want to study, for work or for pleasure.

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MAGDALENA

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dancingneko:

What?! No tropical vacations?! *blinks* Does that mean that someone is going to make me fly off these islands to somewhere dreary and depressing? *ponders* Okay, just as long as I can visit those imaginary places (like Colorado, Utah, Iowa, Minnesotta, Oregon, Washington, or England, Ireland, and Scotland) and dropped back here to work the "salt mines" of public school in Hawai`i.

Oh?

You actually have a job that is meaningful and gives you an influence on the next generation and you get to live in hawai'i??? How do I do that?? I thought Hawai'i was just full of tourists and tourism, surfies and...er... surf! Vocanoes and... volcanic-novelty-rock-souveniers...???

Maybe I should look into this teaching thing a little more closely!

How I do wish I could get to have the best of both worlds! Thank you for the comfort Dancingneko!

Thanks for you encouragement too DTHippie! You are one shining star of a role model!

I have never regretted that I did not go to university as I have still got an active mind and find I do things best when I am passionate in my curiosity to learn! I have a feeling I'll need the theology one day... but the History is definitely my passion and I certainly didn't realise that at the time I was attending school! Through nannying a range of children I have realised that schools in Australia, well Victoria at least, have improved dramaticly and I would love to be a part of that!

Errr... should we be ponderin' anything at the moment...???

SPACEANJL

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:07 PM

History is a great thing to study. I did mediaeval history and archaeology myself - my speciality is castles. I spent the first years at school thoroughly bored with the subject - wasn't until we got a teacher who gave us history in context that it fired up. Why something happens in one country only makes sense when you see what's happening globally.

If I ever go back to study, though, I'm going to do psychology. I'm fascinated by what pushes people's buttons. The fact that the first ad agency on Wall Street was started by Freud's nephew caught my imagination...(btw, did you see the Real Blue Sun thread - spooky)

SMARTBUTDUMBBLONDE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:35 PM

oohh, Magda, you are soo sweet!

Quote:
Originally posted by Whitefall:
I agree, women are too critical of themselves in general. I figure that if a girl tries to be thinner to attract the opposite sex (whether she knows that or not), she'll attract the wrong sorta guys who are interested in waist size. I dunno. I'm just a theorist.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

Gotta agree there. I have so may female friends who are always obsessing about how they need to loose weight, and if I had a pound for everytime I have had to convince someone that they are NOT fat, they DONOT need ot loose weight and they are Gorgeous just the way they are, I could buy out F** and put our BDH's back on the air!
I am one of those women (well, girls) who doesn't really care what i look like. i don't follow any fashions, and I never wear make up (mainly due to laziness), and I exercise only in ways I enjoy, though not, much (also due to laziness) and I eat more or less whatever I want. And yet I still get called anorexic! I give in.

Whoot! go you, PR, good luck with the droolworthy one, and if he does look like Wash, even better!

Off to Greece tomorrow, at some ridiculus time of the morning, so I won't be around for 2 weeks, I will miss you lot. I may start suffering from inponderable withdrawl syptoms!
If I don't get to post again, then:
Bye!

see you in 2 weeks!

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SPACEANJL

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:48 PM

SBDB - enjoy Greece, you lucky thing!

So nice to find someone else who stares blankly at the idea of diet and exercise. Mind you, from what I remember, you're a young 'un. The extra weight kinda jumps out at you the far side of thirty. (I'm holding it at bay with a flinty green glare, 'cos I think it has some mates with it.) Comfy in your skin is the only way to be.

Less of an Imponderable, more of a scare-poll - how many of you shiny folk look in the mirror and like yourselves?

MAGDALENA

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:43 PM

SBDB... you're welcome! Have the most awesome time in Greece! I have always wanted to go and see Rhodes and visit all that Greek history...*sigh* Bon Voyage Sweetheart!

Space Angel - the honest answer is almost never. Many years ago I was a slim, toned buxom brunette who had flirting down to a fine art! Now I am bigger than I have ever been in my life - 96kg (sorry - I have no idea what that is in lbs... don't think I want to know either...) I have had asthma and that meant Prednisolone which always means a hike in my weight... (I totally understand FMF!!) In addition to this I have had an allergic reaction to some medication which the doctor tried me on and although I seem to be over it - every morning when I get up i have these weird red streaks over my eyelids. (apparently an after-effect of the allergy...???) To be honest I told my doctor (who's counceling me for depression at the moment) that I am sick of taking care to get ready to go out and then looking in the mirror and thinking, "it'll have to do..."

Wow... I think you just opened a floodgate! Don't think I hate myself or that I am suicidaly depressed, just really not happy with my looks right now. I still have an awesome sense of humour, a serious wicked streak, some pretty awesome friends (in the flesh as well as here in the Shiney corner of the 'verse!) and a job I love even if it doesn't pay all that well.

Hmmmmmmm.... well I certainly pondered that one!

RUGBUG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:29 PM

Morning all!

Ah, Tristan. Are you doing your licensing classes? They are AWFUL...well, at least mine were. SO BOOOOORING. And I had to go on Saturday and Sunday for 6 weeks. That was a special hell.

Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
how many of you shiny folk look in the mirror and like yourselves?

Some parts yes, others not so much. Overall it's not that bad, I would say. I can stand in front of the mirror naked and not be completely disgusted with myself, which is leaps above what some women can do, so I think I'm doing okay.

SBDB: I'm envious of your trip to Greece. Enjoy yourself!

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:57 PM

I think I look my best naked. I'm thinking of joining a colony
Really, though, I'm serious about thinking I look fine naked. Clothes cover and reshape the flesh, not always to advantage. Everything from my shoulders to my knees seems to look better without fabric squeezing on it.
So yes, I can look in the mirror and like myself.
I wish my chin were a little bit smaller sometimes, but I usually don't notice it.

Well, SBDB, have a blast! And Tristan, try to come back to us alive and whole

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Gautama Siddharta

MAGDALENA

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:07 PM

Hello gorgeous Phoenix Rose! Glad I got to see you before I went to bed! It's 1am again - and I need to get some sleep (beauty sleep... he he he ) How did you go with the job application? I'm still sending positive vibes your way!

I liked myself naked when I was 21 too... *sigh* I would like to like myself naked again - but it takes a very special light.... actually no - it just takes an off switch...

Seriously though - I'm not ugly - just a bit disappointed in myself... make sense?

Anyway - Goodnight all you gorgeous people! - Magdalena x x x

ZEEK

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
how many of you shiny folk look in the mirror and like yourselves?

I do. Then again I don't put many demands on myself. So, I guess I've met my own low standards. Hooray!

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:29 PM

**lurker warning**

I'm back... inching my way in one toe at a time... will catch up sometime...

Did I read right - FMF has a man? woo-hoo!

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:01 PM

Mornin' Imponderables.

Good to see ya M4P.

Sorry about the classes Tristan.

Mags, had no idea of your age until yesterday (not that I took notice ).

Not too much to say at the moment. Left home angry. Does anyone else here have a problem being right ninety percent of the time and realizing that those who are wrong will never take heed of your warnings. I can't stand being right.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:12 PM

Well Mal4Prez

I haven't HAD him yet!

giggle snort

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I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

one of the Forsaken TM

RUGBUG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I can't stand being right.

Risking the wrath of NV:

The problem is not that you can't stand being right. Isn't it more that you can't stand it when other people don't listen when you know you're right?

M4P, welcome back. Was wondering what had happened to you.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:56 PM

Here's the lowdown folks. Sister called cussin' at my mom this morning because her documents never reached her in Mexico. She can;t get back for her already extended court date and she may be facing federal charges. She has not filfilled a single thing in her case plan for social services. I'm not trying to get rid of the kids, but they do miss their mother and she does need to be with them. She is angy at my mom despite me telling them that she'd probably never recieve her papers in the mail if she had them sent straight to her. I told them to have them sent to an American office in Michuacan, but no one listened. Chances are someone else has her identity making it ten times harder for her to get back. I ain't one for hittin' women but I may take a two day trip just to bitch slap her and bring her home.
Just shit sick of all the crap. And more to think about. She AND her boyfriend my try to cross "else where". In which case, if she makes it home and he is with her, I have the sneaking suspicion that they will try and take the kids to wherever. Tryin' real hard not to revert to my old way of thinking, but disappearing some waste of space is not beyond me. Can't stand feeling like this.
That, and I may be becoming a functioning alcoholic. So no alcohol this week. No real problem with that, (went sober for a three year stretch), just worried as for the reason behind drinking in the first place

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:59 PM

too busy second guessing myself to ever be right ^^

as for looking in the mirror, well, aside from swapping my face for john cusack's i can't think of any way i'd want to change it, i like the way i look ^^

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jailbait.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:01 PM

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how many of you shiny folk look in the mirror and like yourselves?

When I get cleaned up, put make up on, do my hair, that sort of thing, then yes. I have to say I am pretty happy with the way I look, clothed, naked, in a bikini (now that I sewed one myself that actually friggin fits!), whatever. But on days like today, when I've been working from the moment I get up in the morning until the moment I go to bed for the past few days, I look especially crappy, and I can't say I like it, lol. Working from home means not only do I get to work through "commute time", but it also means I don't have to worry about what I look like, most days. But I'll shower today and then it'll all be good.

'Course, that doesn't mean that I don't hate my body. I think there are plenty of people who like the way they look but still hate their body or something about their body. For me, it's the illnesses -- autoimmune by definition means my body is attacking itself, so I can't help but hate my body. The joint pain is at a yearly low right now, but if past autumns are anything to go by, I'll catch some bug and the joint pain will flare up again, mostly likely meaning that I'll have to go back to working part time, rather than the full time plus I'm pulling right now. It's very depressing when my body can't keep up with my mind, and it's even more frustrating when my mind is clouded by the illness.

Oh, and the amount of hair I lose in the normal progression of the day has more than tripled and held at that level for more than three weeks now, which means that I have an alopecia areata spot starting up. It's been years since my alopecia was bad, and even though I know that it won't ever be as bad as trying to get through middle school with half of my hair gone, it's still not something I'm looking forward to.

Gah, sorry, just wanted to vent. So yeah, I hate my body for its insides if not its outsides. And I hate doctors for not giving a

about how I feel, because they think I don't "look sick".

Anyway, I'll return you to your previously scheduled Imponderables.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:03 PM

Hey guys- at school, but apparently able to access somewhat:)
NV- sounds like you are just angry(justifiably) at a situation that is far from good. It's always frustrating to know someone is making terrible mistakes that will affect their lives and damage their children's lives, yet have no real control or ability to get them to see what they are doing. I don't know what to say other than, try to be there for the kids if you can and do your best to imprint them some with your sense of responsibility and functional behavior. We have mroe affect than we know and what you do may help them be less damaged in the long run:)HUGS and all

Can't wait til school officially starts and I don't have to be in these classes and can use my room and my computer so I can be here more:)HUGS

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:17 PM

Okay, so I don't really have alot to worry about compared to CaliforniaKaylee. I have relatively good physical health, just the emotional side is a bit tainted right now.
Hugs to CK.

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:23 PM

hehe, you've got a need to vent you've got a need to vent NVG, feeling like getting close to it myself, but there's always people out there with other woe's, and it does make you feel a little selfish and demanding, although i imagine it would horrify people to think their woes made you feel that way about your woes (recheck to see if that makes any sense, i think it does, here's waiting for the litmus test...)

like they say 'you got your health? you'll be all right' ^^

sorry to hear you're having such a tough time CK, can't be easy to deal with, just wanted to offer some comforting, but you do seem to be coping with it all so admirably, so all kudos to you for that ^^

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jailbait.

MSG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:36 PM

Venting can really help you deal:) I say vent away, just because your problems may not be a severe doesn't mean you should vent :)
No bad feelings, just vent and release:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:41 PM

NV - your sister sounds just like mine. And, if that's so, I'll bet she's sitting down in Mexico bemoaning the fates and the eighty people she can blame it on rather than herself. I totally know where you're at - it is sooo frustrating!

I try to focus on being supportive of her son. That at least bears some fruit.

CK - man that sucks! Don't be shy at yelling and screaming at the doctors! This is something I've learned in my older age - they'll only treat you if you give them a kick in the butt. Or two. Really. I went through a patient advocate once.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Well Mal4Prez
I haven't HAD him yet!

Well, come on. Get to it!

I have to share my big news - oh yes, I've been wanting to catch up with the imponderables for a while, but the need to brag is what finally got me here... Guess who got some last weekend?

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ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:43 PM

s'true, and good advice, not sure if it was aimed at me or NVG, but think i'm gonna take advantage of the excuse it offers and have a go anyway, 'cos it's getting me down >.<

firstly, i'm trying to find a new job, which is bloody difficult at the best of times, on top of that one of my flatmate's has dumped us all in it by moving out and taking another with her, which means the other two of us have a week to find new flats, plus the risk that we won't get our deposit's back (£500 in my case, £250 of which is money someone owe's me for their deposit) 'cos so little notice is given (big problem in finding somewhere new, means stumping up a months rent and a full deposit...) and to top it all off, i'm now a bona-fide diagnosed and medicated insomniac, haven't slept properly in a week and when i say my brain is mush, i'm not giving you anywhere near the full picture, spent nearly five minute's today trying to think of a word, and when it finally came to mind, it turned out to be the wrong one anyway >.< can't think in a straight line for more then 10 seconds and it really doesn't help with the flat-hunting or the job-hunting or the trying to renew my passport/get an European medical card/explain to my work that they made me ill and generally try to intereact with everyone like a normal human being...

but there i think i've taken advantage of your kind ear's enough, but it does feel good to get it out.

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jailbait.

RUGBUG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:48 PM

Ah, NV, I'm sorry you were right in that situation. Family can be the biggest gift in the world and the biggest curse...often at the same time. Like MSG said, love on those chillin. They need some stability and it sounds like your sister just isn't going to be able to provide it.

CK, I have to say you really are inspiring. You seem to be facing some huge obstacles in life, but you do so gracefully. My own current trials are far less and there have been times I just want to curl up in a ball in the corner....

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MSG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:54 PM

Odds- oh sweety that's awful. MisterG is also an insomniac and it's terrible...There is a brand new medication that is non-narcotic and has no addictive properties. I will find out for you and PM you so that you can use it if it helps:)
Flat(apartment) hunting sucks it's almost as bad as househunting and that's a nightmare. Hang in there sweety big HUGS

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:58 PM

Funny, my baby sister just called to tell me Sissy called. We just had a laugh about the eighty people and me "forcing" her on the bus to Mexico.

And good for you M4P. That is good news. May have to try that myself.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:09 PM

Yeesh Odds, I can relate. After the PTSD diagnosis I was on anti-depressants, muscle relaxers, and pain relivers. Dealt with nothing, awake for two days, asleep for two. Really F'd with everything. In my case I ditched the med.s for broken sleep, hypersensitivity to light and sound, tremors, and a short lived eating disorder. Felt like a detoxing crackhead, (and didn't look much better).
Have the doctors pointed out any possible problems.
Or have they just pawned drugs off on you because you don't "look" sick.
I hate Western medicine.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:45 PM

M4P, what was the patient advocate experience like? I haven't thought about using one up to now, so I know basically nothing about it. For the past two and a half years since this pain thing started up, I have taken the track of being persistent and consistent. I document everything, keep records of when I take meds and how I'm feeling, and have gotten very good at describing the exact type of pain, and the exact patterns that it follows.

I haven't gotten to yelling or screaming at the doctors, but I'm quick to drop docs who aren't working with me or who aren't taking me seriously. I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince someone who already has their mind set on something utterly incorrect (Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, over-weight (wtf??), depressed, etc), but I don't want to be seen as a whiner or someone who is just trying to get attention and/or medications. Far, far too many women with symptoms similar to mine get written off by doctors.

I seem to have a pretty good set of doctors right now. They take me seriously and they give me the medications I need (I'm on five prescriptions right now, though only three of those are for the pain-inducing autoimmune disease specifically), and listen to my feedback on how well a medication works for me. The major failing of this team, and all the teams of doctors who came before, is that they can't figure out what the hell is wrong with me. They've run all the tests they can think of, so now we're down to doing what we can with drugs to make my life as normal as possible, and waiting for a new symptom to emerge so that we have an idea of where else to look.

I'm doing research on my own and continue to take possible matches to my doctors, and ask that they test me for this or that. So far they've always tested for what I request, but so far nothing has come up abnormal (beyond the things I've already been diagnosed with, that is). I'd say we're 95% certain that it's autoimmune related (I have two other autoimmune diseases, which puts me at high risk of developing another), so that helps narrow things down.

The doctors keep warning me that even if we do find out what it is, they may not be able to change my treatment all that much. Whatever I have isn't life threatening enough to justify some of the extreme autoimmune treatments (my primary doc has joked that if I was more ill, he could send me to a Mayo clinic to get diagnosed). But in the end, I just want to know what it is, so I know what developments to watch out for, what the long term prognosis is, etc.

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CK, I have to say you really are inspiring. You seem to be facing some huge obstacles in life, but you do so gracefully. My own current trials are far less and there have been times I just want to curl up in a ball in the corner....

Thanks Rugbug!

I've heard that a couple of times here, and it's always a bit odd to me. Other than my health, my life is pretty damn sweet. I'm extremely happily married, my husband and I both love our jobs and are doing what we always dreamed of doing, I'm growing in my career, we just bought a condo, we go to the beach and/or Disneyland nearly every weekend, I have a fantastic relationship with each member of my family, who are all healthy (beyond the autoimmune diseases that seem to plague us all) and happy, and I have a cute haircut.

What else could a girl want?

The rest of my life is so great that I feel bad even complaining about my health. Course, it doesn't let the doctors off the hook, and it doesn't mean that I don't hate my body, but compared to what other people have to go through, or even to what my life has been in the past, I really shouldn't complain.

Then again, ask me later this year, after I've caught the flu because I can't take frickin Purell on the airplane anymore, and my doctors won't give me the flu shot because they don't know what it'll do to my immune system. When my joints feel like I'm running a fever for five months straight, and my feet are so cold that I'm wearing three pairs of socks

WHITEFALL

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:46 PM

ack i should be out the door, but wanna post first...

NV, Imho, unless you know where the children are going (ie, a place that has a public school system and such), you may want to consider try to keep them put for the time.... Ok, I dunno, but if your sister is as unreliable geographically as you say, if they arent settled in a year or two, it'll be a pain for the little ones to get through school. And yes, vent all you want!

CK- :( :( :( There isnt much I can say, just hang in there, and uh.... we only ever judged ya for your mind, hehe, so as long as you have that! Seriously tho, keep up your flying.

As for looking in the mirror? ugh, generally i think i'm sorta middle, little on the fat side, but was funny, yesterday i just had a shower and my hair was all poofy (think Angel without the product) and I thought... 'hmm, i actually dont look that bad like this'!

Eh, strange stuff.

GO TEACHERS GO!!!

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

RUGBUG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:

Thanks Rugbug! I've heard that a couple of times here, and it's always a bit odd to me.

Well, like someone else said, it always seems strange. We all seem to just face the trials handed to us. What else can you do? I've had people tell me that they wouldn't have been able to go through my latest experience as gracefully as I have and I think they're just strange. Yes, having a badly broken arm that just won't heal while living alone is a pain, but in the grand scheme it's tiny. I end up feeling a little guilty during my (very ocassional) pity parties because so many people really do have it worse. And hey, not only should I recover to some semblance of normalcy (at least I am really hoping for that) but I've also learned to do so many things with my left hand, it's kind of cool. I can brush my teeth, write, even eat with chopsticks. My left hand is no longer a useless appendage.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:33 PM

OK here's an imponderable. How can anyone in a relationship be a complete cold hearted *&(@#$? I have a friend who is being one right now IMO. Dating one guy while talking to an ex about the chances of them getting back together. Which is apparently perfectly fine as long as the current relationship "isn't too serious". Evil!

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:54 PM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
M4P, what was the patient advocate experience like?

In my case, my back was out and I was on the sofa, taking painkillers, for a couple months. About once a week I'd drag myself to the university med center and beg them to do something besides give me meds, but somehow I always ended up leaving with more pills in my hand. (Does that seem right to you?)

Eventually, I saw a visiting doctor who actually told me what was wrong with me, and got me an appt to see a surgeon at the city hospital. The regular docs found out, yelled at him, and made me cancel my appt. So, I called the advocate. The next day, I got permission, and I had surgery a few weeks later and I've been fine ever since.

So my situation was different from yours. I knew what was wrong with me and had a treatment available, but they were pretty much refusing to help me (I suspect it was their policy to ignore back pain as long as possible. These idiots could have killed a friend of mine because they kept telling her she had an STD, when actually her appendix was near bursting. Good thing she took none of that BS from them!)

It sounds like your doctors aren't evil like mine were, but they are at the edge of their knowledge. So... my first suggestion was the research thing, which it sounds like you're all over - good for you!

The only other suggestion I can think of is that you try to find other doctors who specialize in auto-immune problems, and do everything you can to go see them. It can't hurt. And if your HMO makes a stink, that's when you start needing advocacy, although I hope it doesn't come to that!

And never worry about being seen as a whiner - if anyone sees you that way, they're WRONG!!! You have a legitamate reason to seek treatment!

I hope you find out something! That's almost the worst part - not knowing what it is or where it's going. Don't know if it helps, but I'll send lots of positive thoughts your way...

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:32 PM

On the issue of cold hearted B&%(*%s, I think everyone has that side. Just some choose to use it to their advantage. In our world of instant gratification and selective kharma there seems to be little concern in more than just a few circles. I just see the idea of dating as such a load of bull. I love the idea of romance, but honestly I grow weary of looking. Seems to me that there is just too much missing for anyone to latch on and keep hold of.
Who is honestly willing to put in alot of work for anything other than just themselves these days?
Maybe some are just beyond saving. Anyone ever locked up the brakes in their car/truck and made flat spots on their tires? And you drive on feeling the flat spots every so often. But strangely all four tires sometimes hit the flat spot at the same time. That is the feeling I can't shake right now. The flat spots of an abrupt stop.
Gotta stop looking to be saved.

ADD: Sorry Zeek. Got too many questions to give a straight answer for anything. Guess thats why I didn't get any of the cooks birthday cake.
Gotta go. Baby V has a doctors appointment, (Oh Boy!) Have a good evening.

RUGBUG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:50 PM

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Who is honestly willing to put in alot of work for anything other than just themselves these days?

They're out there. You've just got to know where to look.

Flat spots are useful for re-evaluating our lives. The trick is to not get stuck. We are never slaves to our flat spots unless we choose to be.

M4P: Tell us about this guy. Nice? Funny? Cute? etc....

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:53 PM

honestly i don't think cold-heartedness and strongly selfish instinct's are unique to our age, or our society, i think they've always been a part of people, and probably always will be. I long ago accepted that people are selfish, using, manipulative and lie to themselve's a great deal, in fact i accept all of the above about myself too. any time i try to explain this to people they get as far as assuming i'm a self-loathing misanthropist and don't go any further, but i accept all this, i accept that people are not very nice, but, that's okay with me, i can deal with that, and still like them for who they are, and still find the things in them that are worthwhile. it's no better a way to be, and it lacks a bit of the naive optimism that can be endearing in people, but it sometimes helps if you're feeling like your at odds with the human race. just, acknowledge and accept the worst things about them, and let that be okay ^^

CK, you know, i think it's the fact that you take it all in your stride and say 'well, everything else about my life is really pretty good' that makes people say you cope so well. i've known alot of people to whom that was just such an alien idea, and in your shoe's would just give up and let it be all, so i'm inclined to think it IS admirable, but because of the things you think of as normal, and such a simple thing ^^ (if that made any sense at all i'll eat my hat, and i don't want to, because i like my hat...)

and thanks MSG for the sympathy, helps to get a sense of perspective ^^

and yep, they reckon there's a bit of a cause NVG, stress and exhaustion related to my work, another reason to get busy with the job-hunting ^^ sounds like you had a rougher deal then me, =S i'm only on the one for a month, managed to talk him down by pointing out that i'm weak-willed and don't want to wind up dependant xD

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jailbait.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
M4P: Tell us about this guy. Nice? Funny? Cute? etc....

I'm so glad you asked...

He's a computer salesmen, but going to night school in massage therapy because he hates the 9-5 job thing. (I get my massage and dinner date next week, woo-hoo!)

He's very sweet, very put together mentally and emotionally. Not overbearing, not a wuss. 6'3" and well built. Really likes touching and cuddling. He brought me flowers and says lots of nice things. Also - has a big ole motorcycle and a big ole truck, but he plays guiter and was an English major in college. Renaissance man - sigh!

We've only had two dates, because he lives over an hour away, but the first date was all day and the second was all weekend. So I don't know all the details about him, but I'm all fluttery. It was a good fit right away. It's wonderful and scary, you know, when it's this new...

So here's a question that's been on my mind: he brought me flowers, and I want to do something equivalent when I visit his town next week. But I feel like there's got be something better than flowers to give a man. Wine's too easy. Opinions???

Guys - what would you like a woman to bring you that's classy and says hey - I like you!

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ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:09 PM

socks

h'mmm, tougher call, wine is a good solid option, but, also a wee bit h'mmm, maybe wine and something else? some nice chocolate? although that's maybe got a bit of the flower's stigma attached. does he drink whiskey? nice bottle of that could be a wine-subsitute with a little more personality if he does. that's all i can think off off've the top of my head, don't tend to put too much thought into what i'd like to receive.

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jailbait.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:15 PM

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Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
socks

Tee-hee! How funny would that be?

Gah - I don't remember if he likes whiskey! He does like dark chocolate, that may be The Way.

I'm outta here. I look forward to seeing many exciting suggestions tomorrow!!

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ZEEK

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Guys - what would you like a woman to bring you that's classy and says hey - I like you!

I'm guessing "nothing" is not an exceptable answer.

So, I've only got two I can think of. I think I've said before that a surprise picnic lunch for two or something along those lines would be pretty nice. That or something that he would know means a lot to you that you give to him. A favorite keepsake of some kind. Maybe not something you'd be willing to part with at this stage of a relationship though. Plus he might not know you well enough to know what means a lot to you. So I guess a picnic is all I've got for you.

Edit: OK I've thought about it more. How about toys? Guys like toys. It's just that the older we get the more expensive the toys get. I'm guessing plasma screen tv is not the price range you're thinking of. Still some cool gizmo from sharper image could be neat. Especially if you can come up with a "I remember you mentioned you like..." for it.

RUGBUG

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:32 PM

M4P, did you guys talk music at all? Maybe the CD of a band you discussed. either you liked or he liked or you both liked. Doesn't matter. Shows you were listening and into the conversation.

Odds, hope you find someplace to live...and work. Can you locate new roomies to take over for the two that left? (Which, BTW, sucks arse. I hate it when someone just bolts, leaving others hanging. If they wanted to move out, they should've put in decent notice).

And here's to some well needed sleep for you.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

PENGUIN

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:37 PM

New thread! New thread!

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=23317

ODDSBODSKINS

Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:40 PM

not enough notice to get in two fresh, time to go seperate ways i think, making progress so far, going to view a room tomorrow, sounds like it should be nice ^^

yeah, she reckons she put in a month (no i'm not giggling i swear!) but, try a fortnight's notice she'd be moving, and a weeks notice she was taking someone with her, which changed things from 'we can cover the rent between us while we find someone' to 'oh...shit...can you double rent? no i can't...well...'

thankee for the sleep-wishing, think i'm heading off to see what i can manage, if i don't check back in, it works ^^

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jailbait.

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