LIVE From Dragon*Con

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DARKJESTER

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 2:36 AM

Pluto/Heather

I had to find the tape, but yes, I have you giving them the shirts. Because of my location, you can only see the side of your face for a split second, but I figure everyone knows it was you.

If you want to wait till this weekend, I should have most of the Firefly-related DragonCon stuff transferred and transcoded. I'd be happy to mail you a DVD, send you a file via GMail or AIM, or set up a torrent for you, your call.

DarkJester/John

p.s. Seeing as I'm in South Carolina, maybe I should join the Seebkuh ranks?

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

TRISTAN

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 2:44 AM

Cozen, I wish you had come up to me...I wanted to meet as many of you as possible! I am still making the coats, but my FFF.net notification is not working, so please use tristan71@cableone.net to contact me.
As for the family emergency, read my blog if you have a chance.

Fireflygal, thank you for that update...I hope someone got pictures of the contest to share!

Hell's Kitten...arrgghh! Someone else I missed!

EngineAngel, again, it was great to get to meet you! And yes, I want to see a picture of you and the strawberry!

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BAD2VERSE

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 4:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
uh, no, not at all a jump between the two, because I'm pretty sure Alan was saying this exact same thing as soon as the movie came out - that Joss promised him that if there was another movie, Wash and Book would be in it some how.
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Hey, here's hoping. I'm just trying to help you refine your arguments, because going from 'I haven't heard anything' to 'I've been told that if there is a movie, Book and Wash will be in it' is not an advancement in their position. It's merely a different way of stating already known information. It's no different than if _I_ said both that we don't know anything yet, and then later said that Tudyk has said that if there was a next movie, he would be in it. It doesn't mean I've come into more information, or that I'm slipping up and releasing information that I'd previously been tight-lipped about, it's merely me saying things that have already been said.

So if you use _that_ to advance your argument that there's something brewing, you're doing yourself a disservice, because it means nothing, and so convinces others you're talking to that you're making a lot out of nothing. The NDA argument is much stronger, so you should stick with that.

Star Pilot Grainger

You're "Pretty Sure"? We need to know "FOR SURE", because if that's the case, it has meaning.

OK, You want the long version.. Fine.. Grab your favorite caffinated beverage...

At the start of Dragon*Con, Alan was SAYING he knew NOTHING about further books/novelizations/movies continuing the 'verse", even going so far as saying "Am I in them?" about the books/continuation-of-the-'verse. Anyone here that was at the first Q&A session at Dragon*con disagree with that summary?

Why this sudden denial of knowing anything about ANY of this, or knowing anything about future movies at The start of Dragon*Con, if he already said he and Book would be in any future movies? Does that make ANY kind of sense to you? And IF you are correct, it only further proves that there is PURPOSEFUL disinformation being put out. Why?

AND notice Summer has said NOTHING on the topic.. Did anyone that was actually at Dragon*Con hear Summer say ANYTHING AT ALL about Future movies? One way or the Other?

As *I* remember it, ANY time someone asked about future movies, Alan IMMEDIATELY took over (Which is believable because Summer is Shy) and Summer backed away from the Mic.. she only talked again AFTER Alan had got the Subject Away from the "Grey areas" (Covered in NDAs), and then discussed her Role in Wash's "Planet where I'm a hero", etc etc (Depending on the panel that day).

Same again when we asked the question privately.. "Alan said" "NDAs", Summer didn't say a WORD on the subject, but talked for quite a while on other topics.

In Hollywood, when something is dead, they SAY "It's dead".. it rallies the "Fan Base", and the last sales of the merchandising, Video sales, etc, spike for a while (To squeeze every last drop of money out of it), and then that drops off as interest wanes because there is NO more news "being leaked out" AT ALL... and then it's over except for small market spikes as something brings the Movie up again for a SHORT time. Hollywood rule of thumb, "don't string the fan base along if there is no hope of further movies/series"... an Angry Fan base is not a good thing.

FireFly/Serenity fans aren't the first Fan base to do "Guerilla Marketing" and won't be the last... But in EVERY documented case we've found, the shows that they said were "Definitely dead", Died.

MANY of the Shows that they pulled this EXACT same stunt of "Dribbles of information" came out again in some form or another.

These "Games" are one of the reasons George Lucas HATED production companies... But BELIEVE they DO play these games, they DO "leak" information, and they DO create dis-information to keep people talking/discussing, etc (Sound familiar?)

Tremors started going "Direct to DVD" after YEARS of rumors, hints, dribbles o

PATMAN

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 4:50 AM

Hi, I spent 3 days at Dragon Con, saw all 3 panels (will link to photos soon after sorting them and uploading them). I also uploaded photos of the Shindig (albeit around midnight since it was really tough to get into at the start of it around 10 p.m. on Saturday night), and here is the link to the Shindig photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/patcave/sets/72157594266176644/

NOSADSEVEN

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 8:16 AM

Bad2Verse,

First, I want to say thank you for sharing your d*con experiences. And thank you even more for sharing your insights and experiences with the business end of things re: work we can do to get more of this 'Verse. In the short time you've been here, you've made tremendous contributions to the community, and I hope you stick around.

I do want to clarify, as StarPilotGrainger has, that it is old news that Alan and Ron would be included in whatever future Serenity project comes. Joss declared this very, very early on, as there was quite a bit of unrest in the community in the wake of their characters sudden, unexpected deaths. The details of what Alan said - that he wasn't sure how, exactly, they would come back, but that they would - are exactly in line with Joss's earlier comments. (And when I say 'early' I mean prior to Serenity's Box Office being totaled.)

The point being, much of what you're presenting seems reasonable and valid, but not that point. Alan's early 'no news' comments were likely in the specific context (at least in his mind) of the business end of it, while the later 'if there's a movie we'll be in it' comments were more of a creative, story-line pondering. As fans we've heard and seen so much of how well the cast get on together, that Alan and Ron's possible exclusion from any future films left many people distraught. That is what those comments are really addressing. These same types of responses to questions about the future of the franchise have been pretty consistent over the last year, or so.

At these cons, the actors are often put in a position where they don't want to say anything too disappointing, but they don't want to say anything too promising, either - NDAs or not. So there has always been a whole lot of studdering. The actors are not given lines, and are not lawyers or execs, and hard-to-kill rumors have been started from innocent remarks at cons in the past.

I agree with your overall optimism about the future for FF/S, but only based on some of your arguments for it. I agree that it is important to refine your arguments to the indisputable truth (if there is such a thing), because those who can discount part of your reasoning with their own personal knowledge and experience of the saga of this franchise, will simply discount the rest of your arguments as similarly misguided. I encourage you to tap the resource of your fellow Browncoats to help distill those truths.

Again, your argument is not wrong, but it is based on a limited context at the con, and lacking the broader backround of the ups and downs and cryptic answers to the same questions since before Serenity's release.

Thank you for your efforts, and please do keep up the enthusiasm and the fight!

Quote:
Originally posted by bad2verse:
Production companies ROUTINELY seed Fan Sites with the "Dribbles of information" we CONSTANTLY see. And the UP side of that for a production company is that it saves them Money because the FANS do the Job of Getting other Fans interested, something a HUGE advertising budget wouldn't pull off as well.. in ANY business another rule of thumb, "Your best advertisers are your customers".

Universal put too much faith in this approach with the marketing for Serenity, with less than stellar results. While I am sure that the fanbase is larger now, we still suffer from the fact that fanbase runs deep, not wide. Universal misinterpreted our intensity as breadth, and basing an assertion about our numbers on the size of Browncoat turnout at Dragon*Con is making the same error.

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Ain't. We. Just.

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bad2verse:
At the start of Dragon*Con, Alan was SAYING he knew NOTHING about further books/novelizations/movies continuing the 'verse", even going so far as saying "Am I in them?" about the books/continuation-of-the-'verse. Anyone here that was at the first Q&A session at Dragon*con disagree with that summary?

Why this sudden denial of knowing anything about ANY of this, or knowing anything about future movies at The start of Dragon*Con, if he already said he and Book would be in any future movies? Does that make ANY kind of sense to you?

Absolutely. It makes perfect sense to me. People aren't robots. People forget pertinent information for a while while they're talking. People interpret questions in ways that might lead to giving two different answers to very similar questions. People make jokes that don't hold up to avanced scrutiny, to get a quick laugh. All of these can lead to two different answers to the same general question, especially when both answers are things they've already said long ago.

You use the knowledge that humans aren't robots when you discuss stuttering and such, why not take it to the rational outcome instead of dismissing it and assuming people do behave like robots when it serves your argument?

If someone says they haven't heard anything about future movies, it doesn't mean that they're lying, if it's actually the case (and they reveal it later) that they've heard from Joss that if there was another movie, he'd be in it. It could mean he don't consider what he heard from Joss 'hearing anything about future movies'. Maybe he felt it was important not to (from his perspective) lie to people and he wanted to set them straight that he hasn't heard anything about a movie. Then, later, once his conscience was clear from that, he felt more free to answer hypotheticals and say again about how Joss told him that IF there another movie, he'd be in it.

Again, I'm not discussing the argument as a whole, and indeed some of the rest of it sounds like it could be plausible (I still refuse to get my hopes up, just on general principle- that way I can only be pleasantly surprised, not disappointed). I'm saying this particular point of it is nonsense. And, people being as they are (not robot-like), a nonsense point is liable to make them dismiss your WHOLE analysis, because they figure, if you make one nonsense point, or making connections that clearly aren't there, or making too much of information that was already known before Serenity's box office was known, perhaps you're making other ones that they just didn't spot. So I'm suggesting, if you want people to believe your speculations, you don't include that particular point in your argument, as it's a nonsense point. IMHO.

Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
LJ: http://newnumber6.livejournal.com/ (real)
http://alternaljournal.livejournal.com/ (fictional, travelling through other worlds)
Unreachable Star: http://www.unreachablestar.net - Comics & SF News/Reviews/Opinions

ZZETTA13

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 1:26 PM

Man does this thread bring the emotions up and down. I hear what everyone is saying and being more optimistic I want to believe Bad2 more.

I will agree with a lot of what has been posted about the feelings some ppl are left with from the D*C is the same "song and dance". Why would an actor with any heart at all want to be the one to get up in front of thousands of fans and say "That's it! There ain't no more!" Don't think that statement would make them very popular.

Bad2Verse, I like that you are quite an informed browncoat. If there is a line drawn in the sand about the info coming out of D*C I will gladly stand on your side.

Seems it's coming into a numbers game.Well it has been all along.IMO the numbers are there. If not a movie then why not a mini-series. That would show how much generated interest there is in a new FF/Serenity re-awakening.If a new movie were made I would be sure to go see it(I didn't last time. I didn't even know of Firefly then). Not one time but several and the family would go too. I'm talking extended family here.Brothers, sisters, cousins. I'll even take my dog spike and pay for him a seat. Browncoats do know that any sequel would have to do very well. Therefore this time around we will come out in force. Hell I'll even pay for friends of mine to go see Serenity2 for free. Now that's a deal. What I do believe is somebody somewhere is watching. The browncoats at D*C were many and I am proud of each one of them. But for every browncoat on a web fansite there are 30,40 or more that just won't join a fansite of any kind. They love FF/Serenity and they'd go to see a new movie but their coat is a little dusty and they sit back a little. I know I'm married to one.

I'm with you Bad2. If you feel the info coming out of D*C is a positive sign I am hopeful. I know sequels to other movies have been made that have a lot less going for them that this one.

I've gotten a little long so I'll end now. But just as I've said before, there's money to be made.And lots of it for smart ppl.

Z

WINDSTRUCK

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 2:28 PM

I am agreeing with BAD here.
There are indeed signs as to a possibility of another movie made. And the signs are indeed there and cryptic as to "other irons in the fire" message by Joss.
Universal is still making money on the DVDs. As to SEEDING the fanbase, YES, I recognize the strategy. Maybe the execs are fishing.

I also have to agree on the possiblity that: I don't want to be the actor to tell the fanbase (my fanbase) that what they are fighting for to keep alive is already dead. That there is nothing more.

But I believe there will be more movies. I'm thinking dominoes (not the pizza).

Another thing:

Alan and Summer maybe reading this, I hope they don't think that these little arguments means that we are losing faith. Coz' we aint and we'll keep shinin'.

XANDERESQUE

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 2:47 PM

Alan pics from the Wash Wake - http://www.animateanimal.com/dragoncon/2006/saturday/index.html

Plenty more pics coming from Friday and Sunday. Jayne hats galore, browncoats, and the other crazy costumes we've come to expect from Dragon*Con.

I just had a blast seeing how many browncoats there were. The ranks have grown so much since last year. And the Jayne hats were multiplying like so many rabbits! Firefly was easily the biggest draw at the con.

THISODDFEMME

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 2:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Xanderesque:
Alan pics from the Wash Wake - http://www.animateanimal.com/dragoncon/2006/saturday/index.html

Plenty more pics coming from Friday and Sunday. Jayne hats galore, browncoats, and the other crazy costumes we've come to expect from Dragon*Con.

I just had a blast seeing how many browncoats there were. The ranks have grown so much since last year. And the Jayne hats were multiplying like so many rabbits! Firefly was easily the biggest draw at the con.

Hey! You took a picture of us...neat!

RIMGIRL

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 2:51 PM

I'm another recruit from after the first movie came out. There are a lot of us who are kicking ourselves that we weren't signed up in time to swell the Serenity box office (and I see that you do too). The deep fanbase gets wider every day. I think Universal has twigged to our breadth and large disposable income.

Nobody has mentioned De Candido's about face. In earlier interviews about future books, he said that the ball was in Joss' court because he was sitting on several proposals. At D*C he says NDA. Are some of those proposals being considered as future film plots?

Maybe books, maybe comics, maybe a mini-series, maybe direct to video, maybe a new BDS or BDM. Whatever irons Joss has, I will buy anything, even phantom tickets for opening day.

Stop trying to bring logic to my faith.
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Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take my hope from me.

LEIASKY

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 3:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:

She actually started getting a little misty-eyed talking about how much she loves Sean.

I'd actually like to hear more about this. Or was it just a passing comment about a fellow cast member?

Sean, of all of them, seems to be the most shy and reclusive. So its always nice to hear someone talk about him.

"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."

THEDUKE333

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 4:02 PM

Bad2Verse....you have given me hope again. I appreciate the research you have done to come to your opinion and I'm on board. Being in sales, I understand the little things said and un-said. The way people say things and the way they say them differently again tells a story.
I prefer to have hope and be dissapointed, then to think a sequel is unlikly and then suprised.

Still Flying,
TheDuke333

ENGINEANGEL

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 4:06 PM

Quote:
I'm pretty sure the contest photographer snapped some pics of you eating. If she did I am sure we can get them to you ^_^

OOooooo!!!! Really?? If you could, that'd be way shiny!!! :)

ENGINEANGEL

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 4:15 PM

DarkJester! I wouldn't mind a copy of the videos from the con too :) if it wouldn't be a problem.

ENGINEANGEL

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 4:22 PM

Quote:
At the start of Dragon*Con, Alan was SAYING he knew NOTHING about further books/novelizations/movies continuing the 'verse", even going so far as saying "Am I in them?" about the books/continuation-of-the-'verse. Anyone here that was at the first Q&A session at Dragon*con disagree with that summary?

Yes, I can. I thought he misunderstood the question asked, which was basically "have you read the movie novelization" except jumbled up with a whole lot of other words. He took the meaning as "have you read any of the firefly books out there" (of which there aren't any I know of, so he didn't know of them either). And Summer took the question as thinking it was asking about fan fiction. They couldn't hear it quite right. He did mention after that, that all he had was the movie novilization, which he hasn't read yet.

I want you to be right bad2verse, and am not attacking your thoughts in any way, but I do thinki what your saying is a stretch, even if it is a possibility.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 6:34 PM

Ah, you gotta love the Browncoats.

This may be the only place in the 'verse where less news is better news, and no news at all is the best possible news.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

CHATOYANT

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 7:28 PM

Hi Boomer,

Did you by chance film the Eulogy read by Alan at either the Wake or the panel? I wrote it and I really would like to get a copy of any video if possible.

Sam (Chatoyant)

BOOMERGOODHEART

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 7:50 PM

No, we didn't do any filming this weekend (just some little stuff on our camera), and we had left the Wake by the time Alan got there. I'm sure someone else can help you, though!

Xanderesque, would it be alright if we posted one of your Wake pictures on our website? We'd like to show Alan wearing our lanyard. If not, it's cool!

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

PLUTOMOMENT

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 8:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:
Pluto/Heather

I had to find the tape, but yes, I have you giving them the shirts. Because of my location, you can only see the side of your face for a split second, but I figure everyone knows it was you.

If you want to wait till this weekend, I should have most of the Firefly-related DragonCon stuff transferred and transcoded. I'd be happy to mail you a DVD, send you a file via GMail or AIM, or set up a torrent for you, your call.

DarkJester/John

p.s. Seeing as I'm in South Carolina, maybe I should join the Seebkuh ranks?

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

YEA!! ::HAPPY DANCE:: I can do it gmail or aim and a DVD would be cool too, just let me know. And our fearless leader drives down from North Carolina for our meetings so you should come join us too! We will be having a con debriefing and whats next meeting soon. Just check out our webpage or yahoo group.

Heather
SEBC Vice-Chair
www.SoutheasternBrowncoats.org

PLUTOMOMENT

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 8:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chatoyant:
Hi Boomer,

Did you by chance film the Eulogy read by Alan at either the Wake or the panel? I wrote it and I really would like to get a copy of any video if possible.

Sam (Chatoyant)

Sam, I gave my SEBC card to a guy who I saw videotaping the eulogy at the wake and he said he'd be happy to send it to me. Hopefully he will get back to me with it soon.

Heather

CITIZEN

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 8:51 PM

My plane landed at 7 this morning and this thread makes me wish it was taking off...

I felt sorry for Alan, Summer's always picking on him, she's such a bully.

CMS:
They didn't mean it when they said the pictures of me wearing a blue glove on my head was going on the net, right?

See some of you at S3!

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

MIRACULOUSBUMM

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 10:51 PM

Well, concerning the sequel. By God I hope Bad2verse is right. But being from Boston (aka Red Sox fan), I'm naturally more of a pessimist. Here 'round these parts, we say, "hope for the best, expect the worst" So I'm gonna play this careful. Cautious optimism, shall we call it? Also, the arguement about Alan's talking. Who would wanna say 'no' to a bunch of Browncoats who don't know the meaning of the word? If anyone were to say 'no', it'd be the producers or the execs, and they haven't said no yet. So yeah, hope for the best.

P.S. Any Yankee fans, even though I'm a die-hard Sox fan, I'd like you to know I fully appreciate and respect the Yankees. (We don't want Browncoats fightin' against Browncoats, now do we?)

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Always havin' a good time!

BROWNCOATRISING

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EngineAngel:
Quote:
At the start of Dragon*Con, Alan was SAYING he knew NOTHING about further books/novelizations/movies continuing the 'verse", even going so far as saying "Am I in them?" about the books/continuation-of-the-'verse. Anyone here that was at the first Q&A session at Dragon*con disagree with that summary?

Yes, I can. I thought he misunderstood the question asked, which was basically "have you read the movie novelization" except jumbled up with a whole lot of other words. He took the meaning as "have you read any of the firefly books out there" (of which there aren't any I know of, so he didn't know of them either). And Summer took the question as thinking it was asking about fan fiction. They couldn't hear it quite right. He did mention after that, that all he had was the movie novilization, which he hasn't read yet.

I want you to be right bad2verse, and am not attacking your thoughts in any way, but I do thinki what your saying is a stretch, even if it is a possibility.

I got the same impression you did. He was more confused by the question and was thinking that there were Firefly novelizations out there that he was unaware of (because they do not exist).

THISODDFEMME

Thursday, September 7, 2006 12:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
CMS:
They didn't mean it when they said the pictures of me wearing a blue glove on my head was going on the net, right?

I might have one or two here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50072521@N00/

We skipped the wake...missed the costume contest due to the shindig line...left the shindig before it got fun...oops...next year we'll do better

PLUTOMOMENT

Thursday, September 7, 2006 3:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EngineAngel:
Quote:
I'm pretty sure the contest photographer snapped some pics of you eating. If she did I am sure we can get them to you ^_^

OOooooo!!!! Really?? If you could, that'd be way shiny!!! :)

http://pics.livejournal.com/reannaremick/gallery/0000rk1q?page=2 this page in particular is the one you are on. The album has all the costumes from the contest.

Heather
SEBC Vice-Chair
www.SoutheasternBrowncoats.org

ANONYMOUS1

Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nosadseven:
While I am sure that the fanbase is larger now, we still suffer from the fact that fanbase runs deep, not wide. Universal misinterpreted our intensity as breadth, and basing an assertion about our numbers on the size of Browncoat turnout at Dragon*Con is making the same error.

I'm hoping the non-Browncoat people at these conventions notice the Browncoats and decide to check out Serenity/Firefly. Even from a library.

I read somewhere that there were 30,000 people at this convention.

Hopefully, a few of them saw that person dressed as Serenity and realized Serenity IS A SPACESHIP--not some movie about a woman named Serenity who has something to do with that guy in the blue poster.

http://pics.livejournal.com/reannaremick/gallery/0000rk1q?page=1

That is some costume...even have the cargo bay door open with a picture of the crew in the doorway.

That is intensity!

Needed a few of those walking around outside a theater.

OUT2THEBLACK

Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
Ah, you gotta love the Browncoats.

This may be the only place in the 'verse where less news is better news, and no news at all is the best possible news.

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It's all good , D-C , It's all good !

Bad2Verse , I'm on board with you . We'll hold 'til the Cap'n gets back...EngineAngel , you give good...strawberry !

Keep the Faith . Share the Love . Feel the Joy !

BOOMERGOODHEART

Thursday, September 7, 2006 5:40 AM

A request, to anyone who was at D*C and had one of our lanyards...we're looking for any pictures of Browncoats wearing them for a collage on our website. If you have any you don't mind sharing, please send them to us.

It's most appreciated, thank you!
ali@legendaryleatherworks.com

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

KAREL

Thursday, September 7, 2006 6:01 AM

Here is a picture link to add to the fray:

http://www.mikdesign.com/karel/dragoncon/index.html

Note: Contains pictures of citizen sans blue glove on his head.

Enjoy!
--Karel.

"Wonderous is our great blue ship that sails around the mighty sun and joy to everyone that rides along." -- Jeff Lynne, Electric Light Orchestra.

D3RBY

Thursday, September 7, 2006 6:05 AM

Elizabeth,

Here is one I got of it. Sorry about my camera and photography skills both being terrible.

And I was this Jayne in the pic with you.

EDIT: On the 157th attempt I got the images to work

BAD2VERSE

Thursday, September 7, 2006 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nosadseven:
Bad2Verse,

First, I want to say thank you for sharing your d*con experiences.

No Problemmo.. Happy to do it, I was feeling sorry for those that I KNOW wanted to be there SO BADLY, and just couldn't for whatever reason... I've been on the other side of that fense MANY times.

Quote:
I do want to clarify, as StarPilotGrainger has, that it is old news that Alan and Ron would be included in whatever future Serenity project comes. (Snipage)

The point being, much of what you're presenting seems reasonable and valid, but not that point. Alan's early 'no news' comments were likely in the specific context (at least in his mind) of the business end of it, while the later 'if there's a movie we'll be in it' comments were more of a creative, story-line pondering.

OH, Now I see where the confusion is coming from... I see that some people (Not knowing about NDAs) assumed I meant "Alan made an Official announcement saying that Universal was committed to making the next film".. I'm sure that's what everyone wanted to hear very badly, so some folks jumped to that conclusion... But No.. that's not what I meant to imply...

So PLEASE allow me to go into some detail to explain it, Now that I have time and am not strung out from the Weekend and the road...

I "Ass-u-me-d" that everyone was reading ALL of the various threads on the whole site (Especially the G-Marketing threads) and that everyone was on the same page.. Mistake on MY part, I "assumed"..

Anyhow, At the start of Dragon*Con when he was acting like he didn't know anything about it, I was thinking "It's dead, The Actors haven't been told anything" (Even if some are right that the cast already knew about Wash and Book Being in another Possible movie months ago... If that's true, it's reason for MORE hope, not less!)...

HOWEVER, when he did his second quote (The one I taped and posted), it was EXACTLY (and I mean so close as to be almost a script) his reaction AFTER FF (the series) was canceled - and just as the actors started finding out that there was a "Good possibility that a movie would be made".

I WISH I had recordings of Alan and the other Actors Stuttering and diverting from that time period... They went from "Don't know anything, Haven't heard anything new about anything", to Almost EXACTLY what Alan said above.. and we found out later that at that point in time they were already informed that Joss was pretty sure a MOVIE was in the offing (and were, as now, covered under an NDA)...

What I was excited about is (Let your minds drift back to that time period after FF but BEFORE the movie announcement).. this is almost EXACTLY word for word, same stuttering, same wording, etc, that Alan used when he found out about the good possibility of a MOVIE being made, but was bound by an NDA... If we had a recording from that time period and compared it to the one above, you'd see what I mean.. and now that I've clarified what I mean, as you start to remember his quotes and manner and stuttering from the old time period (We need a name for that time period), you'll see what I meant.

Bottom line, HE KNOWS SOMETHING.. this is EXACTLY what he did the last time he knew something and couldn't talk about it.

And During that SAME time period, Morena Baccarin was VERY down beat about even the POSSIBILITY of ANYTHING further happening in the 'Verse.. which simply turned out to be her way of getting off the subjects that brushed against the NDAs.. and in another thread here, I saw where another member said that she's doing EXACTLY the same thing again!!!!! "Down beat", "our contracts are just about up" (or words to that effect)... That actually even adds MORE fuel to the whole thing... again, she's doing EXACTLY what she did before when she KNEW there was a good possibility of a movie coming.

Also, Think about Her statement... The Cast from Lord Of The Rings had a Trilogy Contract also, AND worked on all three movies Back to back t

XANDERESQUE

Thursday, September 7, 2006 11:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THISODDFEMME:
Hey! You took a picture of us...neat!

Which one are you??

Quote:
Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:
No, we didn't do any filming this weekend (just some little stuff on our camera), and we had left the Wake by the time Alan got there. I'm sure someone else can help you, though!

Xanderesque, would it be alright if we posted one of your Wake pictures on our website? We'd like to show Alan wearing our lanyard. If not, it's cool!

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

You bet! There's another one of Alan raising his fist in the air which might be good. I'll post it tonight.

Also, if you click through the pics you'll get higher quality, if you need that.

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 7, 2006 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by thisoddfemme:
I might have one or two here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/50072521@N00/

We skipped the wake...missed the costume contest due to the shindig line...left the shindig before it got fun...oops...next year we'll do better

Oh dear, you do as well...

Nearly all the pictures you have of me have my eyes closed, sneaky picture taker!

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

BOOMERGOODHEART

Thursday, September 7, 2006 12:17 PM

Thankee kindly!

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

WINDSTRUCK

Thursday, September 7, 2006 1:07 PM

Quote:

and now that I've clarified what I mean, as you start to remember his quotes and manner and stuttering from the old time period (We need a name for that time period), you'll see what I meant.

May I suggest Fipascan Bedamoic period (Firefly Period After Series Cancellation Before The BDM) or FIPASCANBEDAMOIC Period.

RIMGIRL

Thursday, September 7, 2006 3:23 PM

I'm encouraged. And hopeful.

Clearly, we have to make sure that Wonder Woman is a hit and in the first week. 24 hour showings, anyone? Oh, and who is coming with me to White Noise 2 about 20 times the first weekend?

Meanwhile back at D*C, any more info on when Nathan phoned Allan at the Q&A? They put him on speaker phone? Was he just phoning to play Halo or was it a put on for D*C?
_________________________________________________

Did it suddenly get hot in here?

CALLMESERENITY

Thursday, September 7, 2006 3:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

CMS:
They didn't mean it when they said the pictures of me wearing a blue glove on my head was going on the net, right?

Sorry, dearest! There are pictures of me piss drunk and there are pictures of you imitating the evil Wallace and Grommet penguin.

Dragon*Con isn't Vegas. What happens at D*C becomes public knowledge.

But we can commisserate together.

Serenity,
President of The Juggled Gosling Chatroom
Bride8

http://callmeserenity.livejournal.com/

ENGINEANGEL

Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:17 PM

Quote:
originally posted by rimgirl:
Meanwhile back at D*C, any more info on when Nathan phoned Allan at the Q&A? They put him on speaker phone? Was he just phoning to play Halo or was it a put on for D*C?

It was actually Alan who phoned Nathan. Here's what happened: Summer was joking in that serious cute way she does that she wasn't sad that a certain two characters had died. Alan put this hurt look on his face and took out his cell phone. He dialed Ron's number and was halfway into saying something like "Ron, Summer doesn't like us anymore" (I can't remember the exact quote) when he realized he had dialed Nathan by mistake!! When he tried to put Nathan on speaker phone he accidentally hung up on him, but through the begging of the surrounding browncoats, Alan called Nathan back up and put him on speaker phone. They proceeded to talk about things, many of which I wasn't able to fully hear because a speaker phone into a microphone doesn't exactly sound the greatest. Still though, it was way funny! They even talked about Summer some ;) Then there was a pause and Nathan asked, "...Alan, is Summer there listnening?" Alan said, "Yes Nathan." and in the funniest voice, Nathan replied, "...oh, this is awkward..." The whole thing was hilarious!

RIMGIRL

Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:50 PM

Thanks, Engine Angel. Now I'm really jealous. These Cons sound like so much fun.

Allan and Nathan seem to be good friends and hi-larious together (see posts about British Con). They were great on the War Games commentary. The magic three switches.

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Thursday, September 7, 2006 6:23 PM

I vaguely remember Alan calling Nathan, I was pretty drunk for the entire first panel (though I did manage to stand in line, taking a swig right before asking a question about Summer and the Unit [I was the one who said I watched Dodgeball for Alan even though I hate Ben Stiller, if anyone remembers that]). I got a short video from that (I was actually trying to take pictures, again with the drunkenness).

Anyhow, I am kinda down that I didn't get to meet more of you from the site. The weekend when I have a chance I am going to read this entire thread and also post all of my pictures online (photobucket or flikr or something). I do have one of EngineAngel eating the strawberry, if no one else has provided one yet.

I'll post again after reading everything, right now I am at work, so time is limited. Here is a bit of shininess for anyone who wants it:

http://www.myspace.com/supernova_412/

LiuYan says it looks like I caught a pixie, and I tend to agree.

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia

"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be manditory." - Bill Hicks

LISSA

Thursday, September 7, 2006 6:41 PM

OK folks, here are my pictures. facebook is being screwy and won't let me share individual albums any more, but there are two D*C albums on there. http://bu.facebook.com/photos.php?id=911470&l=ec79d

~lissa, retired spwhore

CITIZEN

Thursday, September 7, 2006 7:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lissa:
OK folks, here are my pictures. facebook is being screwy and won't let me share individual albums any more, but there are two D*C albums on there. http://bu.facebook.com/photos.php?id=911470&l=ec79d

~lissa, retired spwhore

Oh dear, it seems you have all the pictures of me putting things on my head.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

BAD2VERSE

Thursday, September 7, 2006 7:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Windstruck:

May I suggest Fipascan Bedamoic period (Firefly Period After Series Cancellation Before The BDM) or FIPASCANBEDAMOIC Period.

OK.. I hope I can remember all that, but I "officially" dub that time period as the Fipascan Bedamoic period ("Bedamoic Period", for short)

________________________
..but eatin people alive, where does THAT get fun?

BOOKREADER

Thursday, September 7, 2006 9:35 PM

>>>We NEED info, We need impressions, We need memories, we need SOLID evidence to build up a study on how these folks behave so we can predict the future of the 'Verse More Accurately!<<<

Bottom line is this: over on the OB where I usually spend my days, Adam Baldwin was the first to let us know there was going to be a movie. Before it ever became official. I trust that when there is real news and not speculation, he will do the same.

MANWITHPEZ

Friday, September 8, 2006 12:20 AM

Xanderesque wrote:
Thursday, September 07, 2006 01:19
Quote:

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Originally posted by THISODDFEMME:
Hey! You took a picture of us...neat!
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Which one are you??

A grease smudged Kaylee and a Simon in a shiny blue vest. Oh, and sorry...I was the other part of the "us" she mentioned...

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

BAD2VERSE

Friday, September 8, 2006 12:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BookReader:
Bottom line is this: over on the OB where I usually spend my days, Adam Baldwin was the first to let us know there was going to be a movie. Before it ever became official. I trust that when there is real news and not speculation, he will do the same.

Thanks, Where is the "Old Board" BTW? I can't seem to find it on Google, I keep getting sent back to posts on FFF.net... TIA.

________________________
..but eatin people alive, where does THAT get fun?

BOOMERGOODHEART

Friday, September 8, 2006 1:17 AM

You can get to the official board here: http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/

As for the Nathan call, I was under the impression that Alan took out his phone to "call" Ron as a gag, and that Nathan happened to really call at the same time. I do believe our Cap'n asked something like "what are you doing" and Alan replied with "i'm still at the panel".

'Course, what I thought I heard and what actually happened may never cross paths.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

BAD2VERSE

Friday, September 8, 2006 2:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:
You can get to the official board here: http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/

Thanks, I would have never found that on google.

________________________
..but eatin people alive, where does THAT get fun?

HELL'S KITTEN

Friday, September 8, 2006 2:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrowncoatRising:
Hey, I think I met you. Did you go to the Hugh Laurie panel on the last day? If so, I was sitting beside you and you showed me that picture.

Yep, that was me! And that must've been you! It was nice to meet you.

I apologize, I don't think I asked you your name. I tried sneaking a peek at your badge, but my vision isn't as good as it used to be in my advanced age. I'm Sara... nice t'meetcha!

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Not captioned for the sarcasm impaired.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sara013

BOOMERGOODHEART

Friday, September 8, 2006 5:21 AM

You're most welcome!

By the by...should we make a plan to update next year as well? LOL. More than happy to do it.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

BAD2VERSE

Friday, September 8, 2006 5:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:
You're most welcome!

By the by...should we make a plan to update next year as well? LOL. More than happy to do it.

How Often does it move around? Maybe that's why I couldn't find it on Google... I Hope the cast can find it if they're giving out info!

________________________
..but eatin people alive, where does THAT get fun?

BOOMERGOODHEART

Friday, September 8, 2006 5:43 AM

Adam posts on the OB all the time, most often in the political section(s). He did put a post in general discussions when he found out he had to work, instead of D*Cing. He's such a standup kinda guy!

Maybe sometime in the next year, Haken could make a dedicated Con page, for updates from the attendees. It could include anything that a group of fans attends...just to keep those of us who only go to one or two up to date! Sound like an idea?

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

BAD2VERSE

Friday, September 8, 2006 6:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:
Adam posts on the OB all the time, most often in the political section(s). He did put a post in general discussions when he found out he had to work, instead of D*Cing. He's such a standup kinda guy!

Maybe sometime in the next year, Haken could make a dedicated Con page, for updates from the attendees. It could include anything that a group of fans attends...just to keep those of us who only go to one or two up to date! Sound like an idea?

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

VERY Shiny!

I think a "*Con" section (for ANY and ALL of the various "Cons") would be great, But I'm a nobody, so my opinion carries exactly NO weight... But it might keep things moving, keep us all up to date, let us know who's saying what, how they're acting, etc...

I'd be happy to write a quick PERL "Upload pictures/video/audio script" if there's enough Disk space and bandwidth to handle all the pics... I try to keep mine spread around on various servers, because this site gets a lot of hits and loads the pics and such up from various sites every time someone clicks on the thread.. I noticed some folk's pics don't show up (Like from Photo bucket) after they cross a certain bandwidth limit, and the poster doesn't know it's not showing up 'cause the pic is in their cache (so THEY see it while WE don't)

But Imagine all the Shiny Pics and Video and Audio that could be collected!!!

One thing I found "unsettling" at Dragon*Con was a "FEW" fans were acting kinda "possessive", like they OWNED the actors.. one girl asked for a hug (on a dare from her girlfriend), and the people beside us got ANGRY and were yelling "ABSOLUTELY NOT" and "Who does SHE think she is?" and "Someone needs to sit her down!"... and there were several others in the room murmuring (or loudly saying) the same (or similar) things... then Summer said "I don't have a girlfriend" (after Alan said his S.O. has a "No Hugging rule") and she hugged the lady, and I thought the people sitting beside me were gonna go into apoplexy... they were so angry and SO jealous, that I actually slid over in my seat a bit.

Generally I have found Browncoats ULTRA willing to work together without the usual "I want to be the leader" crap found on many sites trying to get something accomplished.. I guess there's a few though in every crowd.

I STRONGLY dislike that "I'm more of a Browncoat than you are" crap.. but again, I guess there's a few in every crowd. Those types need to step back from the edge a little bit and remember that after all is said and done "It's a SHOW".

It's sad when Fans of ANY show go over that line, and the "Show" becomes more important than their lives... I've seen it in a LOT of Trekker friends, We had a fellow about 4 years back that missed so much work over going to StarTrek conventions that we had to let him go (Which I hated, because he was a hellofva good analyst, when his mind was on WORK).. in our line of business, you have to keep your head in the game and juggle a lot of things at the same time... If you miss a few days you come back and think "God, How am I EVER gonna catch up and get "The Big Picture" back in my head?

I worked from the hotel Room Every night of the *Con, and through lunches, Just so I wouldn't be lost when I came back into the office Tuesday... Shows are a nice distraction from reality, but the Bills have to be paid first ;)

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..but eatin people alive, where does THAT get fun?

BAD2VERSE

Friday, September 8, 2006 6:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
I'm saying this particular point of it is nonsense. And, people being as they are (not robot-like), a nonsense point is liable to make them dismiss your WHOLE analysis, because they figure, if you make one nonsense point, or making connections that clearly aren't there, or making too much of information that was already known before Serenity's box office was known, perhaps you're making other ones that they just didn't spot. So I'm suggesting, if you want people to believe your speculations, you don't include that particular point in your argument, as it's a nonsense point. IMHO.

Star Pilot Grainger

Gosh, How did I EVER make my first Mil without your expert advice, keen insight, and knowledge of all things? How did I EVER get all those Gov Contracts and bonuses? I'm simply in awe. I know so little compared to you. You're SO much more of a browncoat... I'll leave ALL further speculation to YOU.
I'm your humble Nonsense Servent forever. You've converted me, Lead on!

I just got the FOULEST worded email from this site that I have EVER seen, apparently "Just for the fun of it".. I'm not wasting any more time or bandwidth posting here for the trolls and know-it-alls..

Sorry to the rest of you.. I hate to take my ball and go home, but I WILL NOT be subjected to THAT kind of crap, and I certainly won't PAY in bandwidth for it..

________________________
..but eatin people alive? Where does THAT get fun?

WINDSTRUCK

Friday, September 8, 2006 7:16 AM

OUCH!!!

BAD has been very gracious in sharing his thoughts and ideas with us.
He even took us to D*C.
It is his opinion he was expressing and he believes it as he sees it.
And from his trained eye, he thinks there will be another Serenity Movie.
Now tell me what is wrong with that??!!

Give him a break. And stop trollin him.

BOOMERGOODHEART

Friday, September 8, 2006 7:38 AM

I am a fan of Firefly and Serenity. I am not a rabid fan. I don't analyze the show to death. Was I pissed when it was cancelled? More than I can say. Did I cry about it? No, because I really do belive that it's just a TV show. Do I deride fans who took it harder than I did? Absolutely not. What gives ME the right to tell anyone else that their feelings are wrong? Same goes for beliefs, whatever they might be (religious, personal, hopeful for another movie, whatever). I have no right to tell another person that they're wrong. I may not agree, but that's what makes discussion interesting. When disagreement trips into personal attacks, or making someone feel bad for their opinions, is where I draw the line. Life is too short for such bullshit. If I don't cotton to your personal opinion, well....let's have a drink and a couple o' laughs and hash it out. I come from a family of talkers and bullshitters. I love intelligent debate, or even not so intelligent.

Belief is not based on "proof positive". That's what makes it BELIEF, not SCIENCE.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

VERSEEXPLORER

Friday, September 8, 2006 8:36 AM

I believe there will be more. Bad2 willing shared information that made sense to me. Some folk will only believe when they hear it from Joss. Some folk will only believe when they put their money down and walk in the theater.

I value what Bad2 has given us on the other threads, and what he has shared from the con. You don't have to agree. Stop the yucky e-mails!

_______________________________
Mal: Saffron, you're pleasing, you're all kinds of pleasing, and uhh...it's been awhile, a long damn while, since anybody but me took a hold of my plow.

DARKFLY

Friday, September 8, 2006 9:08 AM

Bad2Verse is there any chance of a downloadable version of the audio clip or maybe you could email it to me.

Oh & Hell's Kitchen your the prettiest Borwncoat ever.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

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Go to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379786/ & vote 10/10 for Serenity

Go to

to see my cool trailer.

Things are about to get interesting...Define interesting...Oh GOD oh GOD we're all going to die.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, September 8, 2006 10:11 AM

*grumble grumble* I wish I could have been there. I wish I could have told Summer what a brillaint actress she is. And sat in her lap! And just run into Alan and... Oh so many things.

*edit* And the snips now make some kind of sense. I am very sad that anyone would be so incredibly thoughtless and mean as to message such an intelligent and sharing Browncoat in such a way.
Bad2, I did not get to see any of the shiny things you posted. I am sad. If you don't want to post them here, could you tell me how to access them? I would appreciate it.

Health is the greatest gift, contentment the greatest wealth, faithfulness the best relationship. - Gautama Siddharta

DARKFLY

Friday, September 8, 2006 10:43 AM

I know exactly what it feels like PhoenixRose,I live in the UK.

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Go to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379786/ & vote 10/10 for Serenity

Go to

to see my cool trailer.

Things are about to get interesting...Define interesting...Oh GOD oh GOD we're all going to die.

CALLMESERENITY

Friday, September 8, 2006 12:40 PM

Okay, Sean, dear. Whatever you do, DON'T go here www.flickr.com/photos/callmeserenity if you don't like pictures of you with things on your head.

Serenity,
President of The Juggled Gosling Chatroom
Bride8

http://callmeserenity.livejournal.com/

CHATOYANT

Friday, September 8, 2006 12:43 PM

As you know, Heather, I am not "Patience!" I suppose I could excercise some, but the web-Browncoat-commmunity is so big and so small, all at once! I didn't even realise that this Heather could be the same Heather I just saw in Atlanta! I should read the signatures along with the posts.

I look forward to seeing the video, I also have some stills coming from Alan reading the eulogy in the panel. I'm still on Cloud 9.

Sam

I'm not a psychopath, I'm more of a psycho-highway.

THISODDFEMME

Friday, September 8, 2006 4:35 PM

Hey! You stole all my pictures! Then credited Liz...well, not for all of them...silly Serenity...aren't you cute with your huge album....

It's okay though. I don't mind.

XANDERESQUE

Friday, September 8, 2006 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by manwithpez:
Xanderesque wrote:
Thursday, September 07, 2006 01:19
Quote:

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Originally posted by THISODDFEMME:
Hey! You took a picture of us...neat!
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Which one are you??

A grease smudged Kaylee and a Simon in a shiny blue vest. Oh, and sorry...I was the other part of the "us" she mentioned...

Nice! The costumes were perfect for you guys. Not the best picture, but I'm glad I got some of the folks in line.

I'm working on the rest of the weekend pics now.

http://www.animateanimal.com/dragoncon/2006/saturday/

CALLMESERENITY

Friday, September 8, 2006 6:15 PM

I'm so sorry Toffy!

I did steal everyone's pictures. I had them all grouped together, but they got mixed up some and I got confused and forgot which ones were whose! I promise when I get more time (you know, like next month) I'll go back and correct it all.

I did want to credit the people that deserved crediting. :(

I just wanted everyone's pictures so I could print them out when I have time (you know, like November) and put them in my photo album that I'm about 6 months behind on.

Plus, your pictures were extra shiny!

Serenity,
President of The Juggled Gosling Chatroom
Bride8

http://callmeserenity.livejournal.com/

PLUTOMOMENT

Friday, September 8, 2006 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chatoyant:
As you know, Heather, I am not "Patience!" I suppose I could excercise some, but the web-Browncoat-commmunity is so big and so small, all at once! I didn't even realise that this Heather could be the same Heather I just saw in Atlanta! I should read the signatures along with the posts.

I look forward to seeing the video, I also have some stills coming from Alan reading the eulogy in the panel. I'm still on Cloud 9.

Sam

I'm not a psychopath, I'm more of a psycho-highway.

Heh it's ok. I'll get you whatever I get as soon as I get it ^_~

Heather
SEBC Vice-Chair
www.SoutheasternBrowncoats.org

PATIENCE

Friday, September 8, 2006 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chatoyant:
As you know, Heather, I am not "Patience!"

Nope...that would be ME!!

_______________________________
You do that, and you'd best make peace with your dear and fluffy lord.

IHEARTFIREFLY

Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:00 AM

Bad2,
Don't let one idiot ruin things for the rest of us!
That was one of the most frustrating things about grade school- One crazy kid would do something stupid and the whole class of well-behaved kids missed out on the reward.

I must say, Bad2Verse, that reading your posts have been the most interesting and engaging thing I have come across in a while. I almost never read entire threads when they are this long, but you had me quite engaged- and now I'm mad-
For one, that someone would be a jerk to you for expressing yourself. And two, that you would let them run you off of the board.
I appreciate your insight and I wish you would repost your experience for the rest of us.

"Can't take the sky..."

ADAPA

Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:26 AM

Hear Hear Iheartfirefly,
I hope we haven't seen the last of Bad2! His opinions may differ from the norm but where's the harm in believing?

My feeling aren't as well expressed as bad2's but combine them with Joss's criptic last paragraph and I can't help but agree with Bad2's assement, somethings up...

IHEARTFIREFLY

Saturday, September 9, 2006 3:55 AM

Agreed.

"Can't take the sky..."

WINDSTRUCK

Saturday, September 9, 2006 8:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by adapa:

Hear Hear Iheartfirefly,
I hope we haven't seen the last of Bad2! His opinions may differ from the norm but where's the harm in believing?

My feeling aren't as well expressed as bad2's but combine them with Joss's criptic last paragraph and I can't help but agree with Bad2's assement, somethings up...

Seconded.

ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, September 9, 2006 5:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RimGirl:
Oh, and who is coming with me to White Noise 2 about 20 times the first weekend?

I'll be seeing White Noise: The Light (Nathan Fillion's next movie) that first weekend too UK 5 January 2007 USA 5 January 2007.

Don't know how many times. Saw Serenity many many times. Saw SLiTHER many many times.

Nathan's page on http://imdb.com/name/nm0277213
lists his movies etc.

MRT

Saturday, September 9, 2006 9:03 PM

Bad2 - I like people who believe in themselves as they are the sort of people I would want to follow into battle. You are one of them, but more than just believing in yourself you have given me renewed hope and made me believe.

I hope you do look in to read this series of messages of thanks and support. Please don't let one rotten apple spoil the taste of the site. You are MUCH appreciated and I for one have found your update posts, as well as your insight, great fun, fascinating, stimulating, and all round excellent.

I'm with you, and I'd follow you.

MrT

TRAILRUNNERMARK

Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:26 AM

Right on MrT,

I was lucky enough to read BAD2VERSE's posts just before they were . They were insightful and informative, and whether or not he has reached the right conclusions is immaterial. He certainly presented his arguements in an intelligent fashion. I sent my wife a link to the thread so she could read it, but by the time she logged in the next night all his observations of Dragon Con were gone.

The Verse is filled with all kinds of people, and some people can't make an arguement while remaining polite. There's a quote from Lazarus Long about politeness, but I can't think of it right now. When you have to resort to foul language though, it means you don't have anything else worth saying and you should just shut up.

BAD2VERSE, hope you are still listening, even if you won't be contributing any more.

PATMAN

Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:46 AM

For your viewing pleasure, I have finally posted my photos taken at the 3 Serenity panels at Dragon*Con last weekend:

Panels 1 and 2:
http://www.patcave.com/dc2k6/dc2k6panser1.html

Panel 3 and the Shindig:
http://www.patcave.com/dc2k6/dc2k6panser2.html

Summer and Alan also show up in my Dragon*Con Convention Guest page:

http://www.patcave.com/dc2k6/dc2k6celebs.html

WICKEDWREN

Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:22 PM

I'm still unpacking stuff from D*C and I just came across a wrap. It is black. It was left on the floor near the pillars at the front of the Shindig room. If this is your's or think you might know who it belongs to, let me know =)

Thanks,
Serenity

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Southeastern Browncoats
www.southeasternbrowncoats.org
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A good friend will bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you, saying "Damn...that was fun!"

YINYANG

Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:36 PM

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Right on MrT,

I was lucky enough to read BAD2VERSE's posts just before they were . They were insightful and informative, and whether or not he has reached the right conclusions is immaterial. He certainly presented his arguements in an intelligent fashion. I sent my wife a link to the thread so she could read it, but by the time she logged in the next night all his observations of Dragon Con were gone.

The Verse is filled with all kinds of people, and some people can't make an arguement while remaining polite. There's a quote from Lazarus Long about politeness, but I can't think of it right now. When you have to resort to foul language though, it means you don't have anything else worth saying and you should just shut up.

BAD2VERSE, hope you are still listening, even if you won't be contributing any more.

Wow... I didn't realize until just now that almost all of his posts were (snip). That makes me very, very sad. He gave me the kind of hope for a sequel that was really great, and some things I never would have thought of on my own. He taught me to hope when all hope seemed lost, or silly, or idiotic.

Between this and everything else going on right now, I'm gonna go have me an unhappy day.

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YINYANG

Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:06 PM

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Originally posted by Patman:
For your viewing pleasure, I have finally posted my photos taken at the 3 Serenity panels at Dragon*Con last weekend:

Panels 1 and 2:
http://www.patcave.com/dc2k6/dc2k6panser1.html

Panel 3 and the Shindig:
http://www.patcave.com/dc2k6/dc2k6panser2.html

Summer and Alan also show up in my Dragon*Con Convention Guest page:

http://www.patcave.com/dc2k6/dc2k6celebs.html

Those are very shiny photos, with great quality! They put a little sunshine in my cloudy day (I know, it's cliché, but still...)!

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KRAD

Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:33 PM

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Nobody has mentioned De Candido's about face. In earlier interviews about future books, he said that the ball was in Joss' court because he was sitting on several proposals. At D*C he says NDA. Are some of those proposals being considered as future film plots?

I did no such thing and am wondering what the heck you're talking about. The ball is still in Joss's court. I only mentioned the NDA in terms of talking about the movie between fall 2004 and when the movie was released.

Keith R.A. DeCandido
keith@decandido.net
www.DeCandido.net
kradical.livejournal.com

TEMPEST06

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:19 AM

I don't know how anyone could miss the 'porn girls' or 'neecked chicks'. They seemed everywhere. Not being lesbian or a guy, I felt like legislating for equal time: or at least nearly naked guys with cute buns. Next year just look for the CruxShadows. There fans fit the nearly naked description: My brother and I kept running into one of them so often we started referring to her as 'longshanks' (she had on a thong and fishnets with her little cheeks to the wind.

"It's said that 'power corrupts,' but actually it's more that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power. When they do act, they think of it as service, which has limits. The tyrant, though, seeks mastery, for which he is insatiable, implacable." The Postman

ENGINEANGEL

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:45 PM

nice pics patman!!!!

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I don't know how anyone could miss the 'porn girls' or 'neecked chicks'. They seemed everywhere. Not being lesbian or a guy, I felt like legislating for equal time: or at least nearly naked guys with cute buns.

here here!! naked guys for everyone!! ....where's the poof?? i need something to go poof so the naked guys can arrive...

RIMGIRL

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:07 PM

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Originally posted by KRAD:
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Nobody has mentioned De Candido's about face. In earlier interviews about future books, he said that the ball was in Joss' court because he was sitting on several proposals. At D*C he says NDA. Are some of those proposals being considered as future film plots?

I did no such thing and am wondering what the heck you're talking about. The ball is still in Joss's court. I only mentioned the NDA in terms of talking about the movie between fall 2004 and when the movie was released.

Keith R.A. DeCandido
keith@decandido.net
www.DeCandido.net
kradical.livejournal.com

Sorry, Mr. DeCandido, that was me. I wasn't at D*C and misinterpreted something that someone else had posted. Thanks for clarifying.

BTW, I really hope the proposals come through as I would really love some more of your Serenity books.
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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong side.

RIMGIRL

Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:14 PM

I'm sorry for Bad2's hurt. One of the things that I like about FFF.net is the courtesy and support that the Browncoats show to each other.

I really loved the posts/news from D*C. I really hope that this won't discourage others from posting Con news. It's a kindness for those of us who can't be there.

PATMAN

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:23 AM

Glad y'all enjoyed the photos. I had a good time taking them, and, of course, sharing them with other Browncoats!

HIPPIE

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:39 AM

I don't know if it's already been brought up or not, but did anyone take a video of the panels at all..?

PATMAN

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:53 PM

I suspect if video was uploaded, then it'd be on either youtube or google video.

WINDSTRUCK

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:47 PM

I wish we had a transcript of this.
It's really fun to watch!!!

" - - - was taken from us suddenly and - - - - by Joss "the bastard" Whedon"
Hahahahaha!!!

Question guys: what did Alan say to Summer, when she raised her fist?

"Is it raining?"
"No, Reavers."

ENGINEANGEL

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:21 AM

alan: "pitch a fit"

*summer raises fist*

alan: *imitates jayne* "girl's pitchin a fit mal"

hehe, he was making fun of when she fell down on lilac in serenity as the reavers attacked since people joked that it was reavers that were raining (it sounded like it was raining, so that's how that got started. in a room as big as that one was, it didn't quite sound like rain)

WINDSTRUCK

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:34 AM

Was it really raining that time?
It was a really funny bit and the video was quite good.

ENGINEANGEL

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:39 AM

I'm not sure, I think it was actually because when i got outside the ground was wet. I'm glad people taped some of the panels. i wish there'd be a whole vid of it though, cause it was really awesome. all of them were. kept laughing the whole way through

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