Is anyone ever banned from this site?

POSTED BY: PhoenixRose
UPDATED: Monday, October 9, 2006 21:30
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PHOENIXROSE

Friday, May 5, 2006 9:55 AM

I'm just wondering because I've been on a thread that was hijacked by a truly horrible person. I'm not used to this kind of thing happening on this site, I'm used to fellow browncoats actually caring about what other people think and being intelligent even when they're on opposing sides of an issue. But this guy, by the name Chrismoorhead, has been nothing but terrible and doesn't care who he's offending or how much. I was hoping that this didn't happen much because people like that just weren't allowed. I know we have troll country (though it seems a shame to send otherwise intelligent threads there sometimes) but do users ever actually get banned? If not, can we make an exception?

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One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

RHYIANAN

Friday, May 5, 2006 10:25 AM

Things like this happen from time to time, not often, but enough. You just need to remember who you want to avoid.

The thing about banning people is that you can't keep them from making a new screenname and joining again, so there's no real point to it. We just have to ignore the people we don't agree with. I can also say that Chrismoorhead's other responses I have seen in the past weren't anything as bad as what went on today. I don't usually agree with him, but I have never seen his posts be that offensive.

COPILOT

Friday, May 5, 2006 11:19 AM

Big hug for Phonixrose! Sometimes people attack and sometimes ther're stealthy ninjas you thought were your friends. Life is a cycle of shinanigans just roll with the punches.

An I carried such a torch

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, May 5, 2006 1:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by copilot:
Big hug for Phonixrose! Sometimes people attack and sometimes ther're stealthy ninjas you thought were your friends. Life is a cycle of shinanigans just roll with the punches.

Awwww, thank you, I needed a hug!

I try to roll with the punches, really, there's just certain punches that make me want to shoot something!

Or, y'know...

and sometimes...

But I feel a little better now, because I've had time to calm down and many, many wonderful, intelligent, shiny people are on my side. Just kind of wish I could get a virtual restraining order or something.

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

MSCKAREN

Friday, May 5, 2006 1:50 PM

I definitely know how you're feeling since his first post in that thread was in direct response to mine. I wasn't around so I sure appreciate you and the other intelligent male and female responses in my absence.

As soon as I got back on I started looking for an "ignore" option, which is common on many newsgroups for these kind of things. Maybe when Haken gets that house built we can petition him for that added option to this shiny board.

Regardless, I swear I will not let the crazy person drive me from such an otherwise cool place!

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LYSANDER

Friday, May 5, 2006 7:58 PM

Maybe, if we just keep posting like this he will get the hint and do the right thing. Of course, after what he did in the other thread, I don't know if he knows what the right thing is. It is unfortunate that some of us guys get into trouble because of the comments that one person makes.

If there was a way to kick him off, I would be all for it. I would even do the throwing out of the trash myself.

Simon: What if he(Mal) tells you to kill me.
Zoe: (without hesitation) I kill you.

SAMEERTIA

Friday, May 5, 2006 8:03 PM

I, too, was really offended by Chris, but we just need to take a deep breath and remember that not everyone thinks the way we do, or has shared our experiences.
Just blow him off.

EMBERS

Friday, May 5, 2006 8:04 PM

people have been banned...
we had a really destructive troll posting porno/gross pictures all over this site....

his IP address was identified (his High School I think it was!)
and he was not only banned, he was reported to his school administration (if I remember all this correctly, could be I have a couple of different trolls confused in my mind)...

at any rate, it helps to start a thread like this to make the board mods aware of the problem...

and try not to take it personally. *hug*

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CHINDI

Friday, May 5, 2006 8:11 PM

yeah sometimes it gets a little "intense" shall we say??? I agree that we need to take a deep breath and just pass by those who rankle us...

there is so much love, humor and goodness here that it far outweighs the negative IMHO...

but I sympathize...

Chindi

KELLYOFLUTHIEN

Friday, May 5, 2006 8:34 PM

I'm sorry you had to experience a Troll firsthand, but something that works quite well with them is to just ignore them.

It's simple psychology: if the troll isn't reinforced (rewarded) for their behavior, they will eventually stop doing the behavior. What will happen when they first get ignored is they will end up being MORE annoying, upping the ante so to speak, because they're not getting the reaction they want. But if people consistently keep ignoring the troll, they'll eventually leave to find someplace else where the people will have a reaction to their idiocy instead of no reaction.

I believe I know which thread you were talking about and Tristan was smart when he said "Ignore, and move to this new thread." If you keep ignoring, he'll go away.

Now there's a good chance that this guy'll be a jerk on this thread too, or even personally attack you or me because of this thread, but just ignore. He's not worth getting upset over. Personally, I just laugh a little on the inside because I find it sadly amusing that people like that are so desperate for attention that they'll go to any means to get it. Sad little idiot in his sad little world.

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FIVEBYFIVE

Friday, May 5, 2006 9:25 PM

You don't have a link to this thread, do you?

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WILDIGSTART

Friday, May 5, 2006 9:48 PM

He's not a troll. he's a longtime member of this site. his views were just poloar opposite to mine and Rose's. He didn't chose his words wisely and he upset us.

Just gotta move on is all.

You see? She's not a junkie or mentally ill, she's gifted!--Momma Roxy

SIMONWHO

Friday, May 5, 2006 11:19 PM

I wonder sometimes about people like that. When someone's opinions are so unacceptable to a majority of people and they are told so, does it make them change, reconsider their viewpoint? Or do they just become angrier, more broken men, getting even lonelier, more frustrated?

It's sad, whichever way you look at it.

ZISKER

Friday, May 5, 2006 11:28 PM

Aw, I'm sorry to hear that - I feel your pain (it's happened to me on other sites). Just ignore the trolls and they go away . . .

Or call Jayne

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SASSALICIOUS

Saturday, May 6, 2006 12:26 AM

I think for the most part, the people become angrier, more broken, frustrated, etc . . .

PN is an extreme example, but I think it works here. 50-75% of the time when people disagree with him, he reduces himself to calling other people names or responding with awesomely intelligent epithets like "eat me".

Klan members also come to mind.

KHYRON

Saturday, May 6, 2006 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I wonder sometimes about people like that. When someone's opinions are so unacceptable to a majority of people and they are told so, does it make them change, reconsider their viewpoint? Or do they just become angrier, more broken men, getting even lonelier, more frustrated?

It's sad, whichever way you look at it.

So which one of those reactions applies to Democrats?

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

SIMONWHO

Saturday, May 6, 2006 1:28 AM

Actually Democrats just have to wait till the Republicans show their true colours then they can shove the Republican agenda right back down their throats.

Senate elections coming up soon, I hope you didn't put those wilderness clothes you were wearing 1992-2000 too far out of reach.

KHYRON

Saturday, May 6, 2006 1:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Senate elections coming up soon, I hope you didn't put those wilderness clothes you were wearing 1992-2000 too far out of reach.

Heh, I'm not at all Republican, my point was that the majority isn't always right, and conversely, a minority opinion isn't always wrong. Even if it's one person arguing against a crowd of people, that doesn't mean that that person is wrong. So going back to what you said, my response would be 'neither', as long as the point of debate was a rational one and the person proposing the opposing view had a rational argument.

As a somewhat artificial example, if I went to a prayer meeting and argued with the people there about the existence of God (bad idea, I know), afterwards I wouldn't think about my viewpoint being wrong, and I wouldn't be angry and feel lonely in my viewpoint (although I would probably be frustrated by the stupidity, but that's just atheistic me).

Having said that, I'm not defending Chrismoorhead or anything. Maybe he said something truly objectionable... I haven't read it, don't care to. But you made what seemed to be a general statement and I responded in kind (although indirectly and between the lines).

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fivebyfive:
You don't have a link to this thread, do you?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20401

Thanks to everyone who responded here! I really do love this place!

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wildigstart:
He's not a troll. he's a longtime member of this site.

Say what you will, he still seems a little trollish to me. He goes to threads looking for fights. Every post I've seen of his has been off-topic, self-centered, rude, or some combination of all three. That's unpleasant and trollish behavior. While he hasn't jacked any threads lately, he's popped up and almost tried. It has not gotten better as I've observed it.

*************************************************
One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

SIMONB

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:26 PM

Sorry you had a bad experience - but I agree, best to ignore the few and stick with the shiny folk who make up the bulk of the site. Trolls aside, (even them stealthy ninja trolls disguised as regular folk that sneak about a bit), we're all friends here.

(gives Phoenixrose a big bowl of strawberries and some melted chocolate to dip them in).

So, what do you reckon's worse - trolls or reavers?

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

13

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:38 PM

Ah, a lighter topic. Trolls and reavers...hmmm..*nabs a strawberry*

Yoink! Anyway, as to this 'trolls and reavers thing'

Reavers. The troll would bitch about the Reaver or make crude comments, and, Reaver not so good with the troll humoring would tear his guts out.

-13

13

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:45 PM

Ah, a lighter topic. Trolls and reavers...hmmm..*nabs a strawberry*

Yoink! Anyway, as to this 'trolls and reavers thing'

Reavers. The troll would bitch about the Reaver or make crude comments, and, Reaver not so good with the troll humoring would tear his guts out.

-13

SIMONB

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:59 PM

you know, I think you're right

And then River would leap in and slay all the reavers and all our problems would be over.

Good plan.

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:50 PM

Any time I see someone described as a troll, I always picture them as the troll/Moe combination from the Simpsons's episode with all the fairy tales, leaping out at the children from under the bridge before chiding himself when they run away that he blew it again and probably came across as too desperate. Something more to be sorry for than to be angry at.

Mind you, give me an unobserved room and that brat who posted thread after thread spoiling Serenity the day after it was released... unless he's bigger than me, obviously.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:02 AM

Ooooooh, strawberries and chocolate! *munch munch*
Browncoats know how to make eveything better
Trolls or reavers? Well, trolls are annoying, but at least they don't tear you apart and eat you (not literally, anyway).
I like the plan of the reavers tearing the trolls apart before River comes and whips everyone's butt!
Someone spoiled the movie right after it was released? Now that's a troll. Mega troll.

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:30 AM

I know I have my short comings and all, and I know that I can occasionally annoy some people because I have the tendency to shoot my mouth off, but I hope I haven’t upset anyone here in this forum. So what if I like a little attention? It’s actually quite harmless.

I don't like being pushed around, and when I make a habit of being annoying, it will be on the subject of racists, bullies, and sexist bastards, and/or some guy or gal trying to push someone around. This I won't tolerate and I will attack.

I'm just saying this so we can all get an understanding about Crazy River's boundaries. If I say something that offends you....tell me. As of late I appear to be more willing to alter my behavior to suit other people. I’m not the best type of social person, so I have to learn.

I hope I’m not included in the list of the people you are all unhappy with and want to ban. This board/forum is my only, form of expression and without it…well, I don’t know what I would do. I guess I would have to go back to bottling things up, and where else could I go to discuss Firefly and Angel????

River

P.S. People can create multiply accounts here? The Admin really needs to put a stop to that.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:39 AM

Aw, we love our River! See, your craziness isn't the bad kind where you say very bad things of an insensitive nature. Your very stance against such racists, bullies, and sexist bastards is exactly why we like you so much!
Track them all down and slaughter them like Reavers!

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Aw, we love our River! See, your craziness isn't the bad kind where you say very bad things of an insensitive nature. Your very stance against such racists, bullies, and sexist bastards is exactly why we like you so much!
Track them all down and slaughter them like Reavers!

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

Oh! Well that's okay then. Thank you!
I'm rather lost, but I like being included and not tossed on a banned list because I don't fit in.

River

SIMONB

Friday, May 19, 2006 9:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I know I have my short comings and all, and I know that I can occasionally annoy some people because I have the tendency to shoot my mouth off, but I hope I haven’t upset anyone here in this forum. So what if I like a little attention? It’s actually quite harmless.

Don't worry, we all have our short comings, nobody's perfect (hands RiveR6213 the bowl of strawberries and chocolate) but I truly don't think anyone has anything against you. I believe this thread was talking about Trolls in general (and...well...one specific troll) but that ain't you, so don't fret none. You seem shiny enough to me, not a hint of trolliness that I can see....just don't start beating me up none if a Fruity Oaty Bar commercial comes on while I'm typing this, ok?

EDIT: Have just read the Demographics post and wondered if you're referring to that with what you said here? Looks to me like you've all apologised and put it behind you. All families have their little falling outs, the important thing being you were both big enough to apologise and move on - which is exactly what I'd expect from the intelligent, good and thoughtful people we have here, so it's all shiny now. My troll detector is still coming up negative...

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:11 PM

Well, ever since I started taking this new medication for my moods, I've been experiencing something new....guilt, can you believe that? I think when I was attempting to show the difference between real racism and just someone being funny, I made someone in that thread mad because they thought I was accusing them of being a racist, and then Chris put the zap on my head by asking me why did I want to hurt people? I had to seriously step away from the computer to think about that one.

At least the real, fictional River had the excuse of government scientist messing around with her brain...me, I'm just crazy, but thanks for the understanding which I don't deserve, but appreciate.

I guess that maybe I should read just the topics of the threads and not post...some people shouldn’t post.

River

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:
I, too, was really offended by Chris, but we just need to take a deep breath and remember that not everyone thinks the way we do, or has shared our experiences.
Just blow him off.

I missed all the fun! What did Chrismorehead do to get everyone so mad at him?

River

SIMONB

Friday, May 19, 2006 7:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
.

I missed all the fun! What did Chrismorehead do to get everyone so mad at him?

River

Have a look here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20401

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

SIMONB

Friday, May 19, 2006 7:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Well, ever since I started taking this new medication for my moods, I've been experiencing something new....guilt, can you believe that? I think when I was attempting to show the difference between real racism and just someone being funny, I made someone in that thread mad because they thought I was accusing them of being a racist, and then Chris put the zap on my head by asking me why did I want to hurt people? I had to seriously step away from the computer to think about that one.

At least the real, fictional River had the excuse of government scientist messing around with her brain...me, I'm just crazy, but thanks for the understanding which I don't deserve, but appreciate.

I think that everyone does things from time to time that they're not proud of, or that we look back on and wish we could take back. We're human, nobody's perfect. The point is there are those who are willing to admit their mistakes (or who cause offence unintentionally), and there are those that know what they're doing and just keep charging ahead and don't care who they hurt or trample in the process. Those latter types are (IMHO) trolls - and since you apologised and were willing to look at other opinions than just your own, you're clearly not a troll and so do deserve understanding - again, IMHO. I hope this isn't sounding all judgmental etc - I don't mean it to be, I'm just as flawed and imperfect as anyone (maybe more so - I like Episode 1 after all! lol) and have spent more than my fair share of time with my foot planted firmly in my mouth (it pretty much lives there!). I just saw the way you were willing to apologise and I know that not everyone would have been willing to do that, so maybe you've been harder on yourself than you should have been.

Here! (playfully throws a strawberry at RiveR6213 before this thread goes and gets all manner of heavy and serious)

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

DAYVE

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:31 PM

ok... just checking in to see if i had been added to the list...

(so far, so good... silly humans.. they'll never know what hit them....heh heh heh)

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:37 PM

Dayve,

This isnt THE LIST you wanna be on! You want to be on THE FORSAKEN!

SIMONB

Friday, May 19, 2006 8:38 PM

Great - not more things to worry about! We're dealing with the looming peril of killer Reaver facial hair over in the Dance Par-tay thread ( http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=20795) -and now we have Dayve to be all watchful of as well...

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!....

Yours is an evil laugh.....

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Dayve,

This isnt THE LIST you wanna be on! You want to be on THE FORSAKEN!

What is this Forsaken of which you speak? Don't tell me I missed something!

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:22 AM

Look for the "Finally God is with this country" thread in RWE. Its a HOOT!

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:02 AM

Ah, see, I tend to stay away from there. Maybe I'll check that thread, tho

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One summer.
One mission.
One legion of Browncoats.

Starting June 23rd, we aim to misbehave.

MAGDALENA

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:57 PM

Hey - I feel your pain Phoenix Rose - I have been hurt because I cared enough to be nice to a troll and... well that never works I guess!

This is truly a wonderful place to be - it just seems like we need to put a fence up so the Trolls can't wander in and damage things occassionally - doesn't it?

Shame - but might be nesc....

Magda x x

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:38 PM

And another thread has been ruined by the same individual. Patterns anyone?

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show Universal your gratitude!

The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows. - Gautama Siddharta

KANEMAN

Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:39 AM

Yes I see the pattern. You either act as the hall monitor or a victim. Short answer no one ever gets banned. Haken died.

KAYNA

Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:12 AM

Which thread this time? I usually only skim so I don't know.Because of that tendancy I haven't run into many trolls.

Too bad about that earlier thread too. I'm sorry I missed it. It looked like a fun one. Was it ever continued anywhere else?

(and ignore Kaneman if they bother you. There's currently a thread devoted to trying to get them banned)

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:53 AM

Both threads I mentioned were "Male and Female Imponderables" threads, which yes have been continued and I'm sure will continue to be continued. Mostly they've been a lot of fun. Lots of good reading material there for any who are interested!

*edit* Ignore who?

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show Universal your gratitude!

Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without. - Gautama Siddharta

KAYNA

Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:01 AM

Hmmm. I was always a little afraid to check out those threads because they have so many posts. Intimdating you know? Must get over that. I think I'm missing out on a lot of fun that way.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

CHRISMOORHEAD

Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wildigstart:
He's not a troll. he's a longtime member of this site. his views were just poloar opposite to mine and Rose's. He didn't chose his words wisely and he upset us.

Just gotta move on is all.

You see? She's not a junkie or mentally ill, she's gifted!--Momma Roxy

I don't care if you're "defending" me or not wildigstart, what you said here truly captures what I perceive to be the ENTIRE problem. I THOUGHT that this forum, full of fans about a show that stresses freedom and independence, would be more open to my abstract points of view than others. Believe it or not, I'm not a "morbid" person. I'm not nor do I associate with goths, ravers, punks, skinheads or any number of other teenage angst groups. I'm not about self pity, trying to get attention, and I don't get off to pictures of dead bodies. My life philosophies are very conservative and fatalistic, mainly, that to endure suffering is the most valuable learning experience in life, and that death in battle is glorious.

If that makes me a savage or Neanderthal, then fine. I obey the laws of this country in spite of my personal beliefs, and I try to use those same beliefs to positive effect as much as possible, for the betterment of our nation. I've never killed someone in cold blood, I've never raped a women or had sex at all for that matter, I've never taken a sip of alcohol or experimented with drugs. Mine is a VERY disciplined way of life and it disgusts me how much some people have been misinterpreting it and crapping on me for it.

If I type something that you REALLY don't like, ignore it. If I type something that you can get on board with, feel free to discuss. Just stop being [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from person attacks] about words on a screen.

[IMG]

"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."

TRISTAN

Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:49 AM

Kayna, please don't be intimidated by the length of the thread! Jump in whenever you can!

______________________________________

KAYNA

Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:39 AM

I just did that over on the 99 luftballoon thread. Thanks for the encouragement.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

KANEMAN

Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kayna:
Which thread this time? I usually only skim so I don't know.Because of that tendancy I haven't run into many trolls.

Too bad about that earlier thread too. I'm sorry I missed it. It looked like a fun one. Was it ever continued anywhere else?

(and ignore Kaneman if they bother you. There's currently a thread devoted to trying to get them banned)

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

This point is going over your head Kay..PR starts a thread to ban CMH..and in it you say ignore kaneman there is a thread devoted to banning me! Smells like alliance to me...look around .. the back lash has started..lurkers join the revolution!..we are the true browncoats...take back this board.... to hell with this crap, to hell with the forsucken, to hell with the muppets, to hell with oodles of noodles, to hell with dirty public restrooms, to hell with one eyed frogs, to hell with cigarette butts on the beach, to hell with automatic transmissions, to hell with 1% lowfat milk, to hell with turkey bacon(really what is up with that?), and to hell with 75 cent arcade games...Who is with me..CHARGE....Well, it's funny to me

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KAYNA

Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:06 PM

I just mean that if someone bothers you then ignore them. When you post good things I enjoy them but there are also things you post that make me rather irritated. So I act is af the post didn't happen.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

BROWNCOATJIM

Monday, September 25, 2006 12:00 PM

the first thing i want to say is this: what's so bad about an automatic transmission? I have to deal with traffic every day, give me a little break here........

To referrence a lot of feelings expressed throughout this thread, we should ignore those whose feelings go so drastically against our own, with no room or common ground available for both parties to stand and debate.

Now, this is not to suggest that debate, regardles of how heated and passionate it may become, is something to be avoided. Quite the opposite, debate is what makes the world go around, I firmly believe. The presentation and offering of different ideas and notions is the simplest way that humans can learn.

Still, there are those who will shrink from a debate, not because of the superior position of thier oponent, but due to their own insecurity in their position; rather, they will cover their retreats with unpleasant remarks about the other person's mother, et al.

Of course, you ignore them, they brought nothing to the table for which to be recognized, but never ignore the new thought or notion........we can all manage to take something away from something new.

Now, that all being said, resaid, and generally beaten to death with a big stick, let me put forth this: when I was younger, I considered myself a pretty conservative fellow in the political sense, but with every year that passes, I find more and more grey area between the left and the right. Now, while I will defend anyone's right to express their idead, from the Klan to Farakhan, this is due to a natural belief within myself that the minute you can silence one of them, then how far away are we all from being silenced ourselves? Our pristine, sanitary, politically and verbally serile world we live in leaves no room for new idead, for strife, struggle, friction, or argument, but come on, browncoats, isn't that where progress comes from? The Alliance is not 500 years in the future, it is here right now!

Still and all, Mr. Chrismoorehead, do you really think that a photograph of a pair of Waffen SS soldiers is really the right platform to get people's attention? You are using something that symbolizes a regime for whom murder and attrocity were like breakfast toast, and all you are going to do is alienate anyone with even a dollar's worth of decency in their souls, and so what have you accomplished? You shocked and offended, to be sure, but tearing down the old isn't worth much without offering something in its replacement.

Have I ranted and babbled on enough now? Did any of that make sense? And why are you still so pissed off at automatic transmissions?

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CHRISMOORHEAD

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by browncoatjim:

Still and all, Mr. Chrismoorehead, do you really think that a photograph of a pair of Waffen SS soldiers is really the right platform to get people's attention? You are using something that symbolizes a regime for whom murder and attrocity were like breakfast toast, and all you are going to do is alienate anyone with even a dollar's worth of decency in their souls, and so what have you accomplished? You shocked and offended, to be sure, but tearing down the old isn't worth much without offering something in its replacement.

First let me say that regardless of where the following takes us, I respect and mirror your opinions on people's freedom of speech.

That said, the picture in my signature is Otto Skorzeny on the right and my face on his body on the left. The gash running from cheek to shin on me is real. It's actually how I found out about Skorzeny, when a film archivist friend of mine informed me that I should look into him after I first received this "Schmiss" of mine.

Did I know it would offend some people? Yes. Did I put it up TO offend them? No. That makes all the difference in the world to me. You see, Skorzeny himself was acquited of war crime charges because he never took part in exterminations. He was a soldier, not a murderer, and an innovator of guerilla warfare. I consider him a role model.

"Gasp!", you say. Look, the nazi agenda was an evil one, for sure. But how does anyone say that anyone else was evil for their participation in it? Imagine this: You're a young man in Germany under the nazi regime. You come of age and enlist because you're a patriot and because it's almost a guerenteed good future for you. You're poor. You've got a sick mother. You're from a small town and don't know a whole lot about the world outside of Germany. Propganda has lead you to beleive that Hitler is working for the betterment of all Germany, and at most, you may have heard a couple rumors about what happens to Jewish people after they've been rounded up, but aren't totally sure. But what should you care anyways? You're not Jewish, and you need to look out for yourself and you family first and foremost.

It's incredibly easy to justify it to yourself so simply, and never realize how history would remember you. People did a lot of shitty things to stay alive and keep their heads above water in a very scary and turbulant time. What they did was deffinately wrong, but evil? How can you call someone like that evil? Most people I know can't even handle choosing sides in an altercation between two friends.

I think it's time people stop regarding every image, song and person that came out of Nazi Germany as inheirently evil. That was a horrible time for about half of the entire planet, and it's bullshit that anyone thinks they have the authority to look back and make a judgement between "good" and "evil".

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BROWNCOATJIM

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:49 AM

Son't worry, Mr. Chrismoorehead, this won't tak e us anywhere bad, because I do not permit it to. As I enjoy telling my friends and co-workers, I may be an irish kid from Southie (do your research on Boston, determine what sort of a place that is), but I am an EDUCATED Irish kid from Southie.

No, just for the record, I am not a Jew, but my wife is, and, as such, so are my kids. I have no intentions to pull this card out, but I think it may be a pertinent fact, and then again it may not, but I will put it out there all the same.

Your explanation on Herr Skorzeny is an interesting one, to be sure, but a role model? This was not some poor, horse-riding schmo from the corner of no and where in Germany, this was one of the eleite, one of the very bad boys on the black, so if he walked away from war crimes charges, the so be it, but don't think for a second that his hands were clean and pristine, they were not. No one's hands in his position hwere.

But hey, if this is the man you want to choose as a role model, who the hell am I to question it? I can daresay that my long time admiration of Johnny Rotten would more than likely mystify you, so who is right and who is wrong? That, my friend, is a conversation for another day.

However, consider this: the average person will never hear such an explanation, becuase they will see the uniform, and the quote, and write you off as a nazi-loving, white supremecist idiot, and no words will convince them otherwise.

Oh, and regarding the branding of the word evil, I am far too old to believe in many things being black and white anymore, and once when I wore a uniform of my own, they sent me to a terrible place called Somalia, so I make few snap judgement. Things get clouded by events, geography, and the world going on around you, but your Herr Skerzey was a player in the nastiest bunch of bad boys from the 20th Century (my apologies to Comrade Stalin and Mr. Mao). There are some things that are just flat-out wrong, no matter what your justifucations, and even if they are for the right reason, the action itself is still wrong, and somehow, you have to learn how to live with that.

So saying evil? There are just some certain things that are good, and some that are just evil, and nothing changes their nature, not even the best of intents.

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CHRISMOORHEAD

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:36 PM

The "best of intentions" wasn't really my point on this one. I agree that even Hitler himself has the "best intentions" in his own eyes. Mine is more of a sympathy for their position type of thing. I still don't beleive any of us can profess to know how we'd react to such a facist dictatorship in our own country, and so I still don't think it's fair to judge others for it. Good points all around, though.

For further information on Skorzent, he actually wasn't German at all. Like Hitler, he was Austrian. By the time he chose to enlist he was already 40 years old with a degree and career in engineering. In spite of his age, he was accepted into an elite combat role and received the Knight's Cross for his valor in armed conflict. In spite of having a wealthy career, he chose to enlist for what he perceived to be a great cause.

The most regretable thing is that he was born on Austrian soil and not American. This was not a man who beleived that Jews should be exterminated. He was a man that beleived good and evil were all in the eye of the beholder, and that in the end the only thing that really mattered was who would be victorious and the stability of government under that victory. He chose the wrong side.

But, enough about that. I'm glad someone actually took the time to talk to me about this instead of insulting me for it. I think I'll change my signature.

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"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."

BROWNCOATJIM

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:51 PM

You know, Axl Rose once told us "My words may disturb, but at least there's a reaction", and I have always held a great belief in this notion, however, there is a not so fine line between disturb and alienation. Photos of bloody faces or SS soldiers alienate, let's be realistic. No one is going to read further, but rather they will want only to look away from that which they find to be unpleasant.

I will make two references at this time. The first will be the Firefly episode "Bushwhacked" where the crew finds a ship that was hit by Reavers. The sight of the child's tricycle and toys was disturbing, my imagination took it the next several steps. Howver, had the producers gone the next several steps and showed my the 4 or 5 year old's cannibalised, raped, and skinned corpse, I would have shut it off and gone no further.

Secondly, I will reference All in the Family. Bigotry was what people always remember Archie Bunker for, but what he really was was a guy whose society, world, neighborhood, etc. were changing, and he couldn't keep up. Disturbing things all around, because anybody who never saw a little bit of themselves in Archie has a real problem with honesty to themself. Howver, the show made us laugh, while at the same time making us think.

I rant and rave about the way the the English language and the Freedom of Speech and Thought has been so overly sanitized in our great nation, but it's true. Think about it: if you say something loud enough, someone will take offense and sue the ass off of you. Welcome to our brave new world.

Chris, when I was over there, I saw horrors and attrocities that you cannot even begin to conceive of, unless you were in a similar place. Our value on human life, a Western value, is not shared all over the world. I am no longer squeemish, but I also have no desire to look at something I don't want to see.

Put whatever signature you like up there, man. It's your Freedom of Speech, and I will defend you as long as I have air in my lungs, not out of any respect towards your ideals, but becasue I damn sure want to protect my own.

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CHRISMOORHEAD

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:14 PM

Ok pal, let me make something very clear. I ain't looking to "shock and offend". I have VERY little to be proud of in my life, and the majority of it has to do with me getting my ass kicked. Some guys get women, others have great bodies, some have money and... etc. Me? I got scars.

So, after one attempt at catering to the masses, is THIS more appropriate? I'm not asking you to respect any of it, just give me some feedback. I really can't imagine what's wrong with this one, unless someone on here has a major problem with open wounds even when they're not bleeding.

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BROWNCOATJIM

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:27 PM

hey, not a thing, trust me......for what it's worth, I always found the scar scene in JAWS to be hugely entertaining......I got plenty of scars of my own, along with a couple of missing fingers (after I argues with a gate, and the gate won)......the great thing about a scar is that there is almost always a good story to go with it.

Make no mistake, I have zero interest in trying to tell someone what to do, that goes completely against everything I believe in......I am just offering a different viewpoint is all.....I always tried to take at least one thing from every person I ever met, and if you can do the same, then God love ya!

Also, for waht it's worth, and I am not sly, my leaning is towards women-folk, you are not a bad looking sonofabitch, so don't come down so hard on yourself.

WE'RE GONNA CRASH? I DON'T WANNA CRASH!

BROWNCOATJIM

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:11 PM

Y'know, I still want to know why you are so pissed off at automatic transmissions......I drive a BDL (big damn Lincoln).......imagine moving that boat with a stick!

Just a wee bit of levity to keep the debate from getting to hot!

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TRISTAN

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:16 PM

CMH, is that a picture from the Caledonia group you were speaking of in the imponderable thread?

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KELKHIL

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:33 PM

I thought about joining a group like that years ago (the SCA). But when I saw all the rules for combat and such I changes my mind. Used to spar with friends alot in my younger years. Good fun there. Still like to go to the Fair and feast here in Michigan in the summer when I remember that it is going on. Missed it this year though

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

ASARIAN

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:40 PM

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I'm just wondering because I've been on a thread that was hijacked by a truly horrible person. I'm not used to this kind of thing happening on this site, I'm used to fellow browncoats actually caring about what other people think and being intelligent even when they're on opposing sides of an issue....

Glad you're feeling a bit better, PhoenixRose.

Usually this is a place where people have been touched by the familial bond in FireFly, and in their interactions with each other try to show and be what they've experienced. And others, not so much. But remember what Mal said: There's good people in the 'verse. Not many, Lord knows, but you only need a few.

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TRISTAN

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:01 PM

Ah, no, stay away from the SCA!!!
*ahem*
Sorry, I know there are good groups out there, but the one I was attached to was horrible...I was also in during major political problems that added to the ick factor. And also, as an authenticrat and a lifelong student of History, I had issues with several aspects of the group.

You know, on second thought, just ignore me completely. You might enjoy the group. I was a heavy weapons fighter (and still like to fight every now and then), and the rules are not all that restrictive.

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KELKHIL

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:04 PM

The one I was looking into sound like it was the same. Lots of political this and that happening that sucked.

Haven't even looked their way in a while. Still like the fair though. Daughter is getting to the age where she would have fun there as well.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

TRISTAN

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:07 PM

Well, we seem to have temporarily hijacked this thread...but at least it's with pleasant stuff!
I love the Ren Faires, too. I, along with a friend, used to produce, write, direct, act in, costume, and choreograph shows for some SE Faires a few years back. Always loved them, and always liked making sure people had a good time during our shows. I'm glad to hear you are taking your daughter!

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CHRISMOORHEAD

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tristan:
CMH, is that a picture from the Caledonia group you were speaking of in the imponderable thread?

Yeah, that's my "profile shot". The Caledonian thing is just a smaller part of a LARP called Dagorhir. If you don't like SCA due to historical inaccuracies, then Dagorhir is definitely not your thing. It's more fantasy based, with the option of historically themed units.

My group's a really long span of Scottish history, from AD 0 - AD 900, for a rough outline. Because there's so few records from that time period, we're very open in terms of authenticity. You could conceivably be a Pict, Caledonian, Saxon, Scotti... and more. I don't even know exactly what the hell I'm "re-enacting", suffice to say, I get a kick out of running half naked covered in woad into a line of padded shields (especially Roman shields).

Kelkhil, most of that political BS is easy to stay out of the way of. At least, it is in Dagorhir, so I would assume it's the same with the SCA. I used to get invited to "war councils" all the time when I was in charge of a Japanese themed unit, but I never went. The combat systems sound complicated at first, but they're easy to get used to. There's actually this one game called Darkon where they use spells and have like 5 different armor classes... you almost need a gorram calculator to keep track of everything. I'd advise at least giving it a try if you were interested at all.

Browncoatjim - It sounds like you've experienced all the right things in your life. Aside from my personal fatalistic desires, if I make it to your age hopefully I'll have learned as much about being a decent person as you. Until then I look forward to benefiting from your knowledge.

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"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."

TRISTAN

Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:54 PM

CMH, thanks! That does sound like fun. The one thing I did like about the SCA was the combat...running into a massed shield wall screaming at the top of your lungs; yeah, that was the fun part! I have enjoyed moving on to live steel and choreographed fights, but every now and then I enjoy getting out into the front yard with "safer" weapons and having at it!
Thanks for sharing that, and if you have more photos, I'd like to see them.

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CHRISMOORHEAD

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:23 PM

http://www.geocities.com/britannicus.geo/ Here's my unit's main page

http://www.dagorhir.com here's the national website for the LARP itself

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"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."

TRISTAN

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:37 PM

Chris, thank you for the link.
Looks like a lot of fun!

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KELKHIL

Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:04 PM

Chris - Cool links! As far as the SCA thing. Well they were manditory meetings and they were constantly bickering and pushing their personal adjendas out so I stopped going.

real annoying bunch of wannabes. After about 3 meetings I finally asked if this is all there was to do and they looked at me funny and said yes.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

SISTERBETTYX

Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:38 PM

I think they managed to ban river6213 off this site a month ago.

KANEMAN

Monday, October 9, 2006 9:30 PM

not true