PirateNews and Child Porn
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Thursday, December 7, 2006 16:42
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In a recent thread PirateNews, well known for his crazy talk, driving while intoxicated, and tinfoil hats, posted several pictures depicting children bound and in apparent distress.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=24340
First, of all I want to note that such images have no place in a civil discussion on any topic. I will not be reproducing them here.
Second, such images are in violation of Federal Law.
Quote:
2)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), "sexually
explicit conduct" means actual or simulated -
(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital,
oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between
persons of the same or opposite sex;
(ii) bestiality;
(iii) masturbation;
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of
any person;
Clearly pictures of children bound and in obvious distress regardless of being real or staged violates section (iv) above.
Section 2251 of the US Code bars the use of children for: "any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct,
Further 2251A makes it a crime to: "1) knowingly mails, or transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any child pornography;"
AND MOST IMPORTANT TO FFF.NET, Section 2251A2 makes it a crime for the folk who run our beloved Firefly fansite to: "2) knowingly receives or distributes -
(A) any child pornography that has been mailed, or shipped or
transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means,
including by computer; or
(B) any material that contains child pornography that has
been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
commerce by any means, including by computer;"
Lastly, Section 2258 requires me to report this to the FBI, which I have done. Actually its the local Ohio law which mirrors that Federal law...but I digress.
Anyway, thought you'd all want to know.
H
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So, I guess I should edit that crack about downloading clerks... Will do. Thanks for the heads up!
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So, Zero - YOU LOOKED !
Now, I believe that while PN is entirely sincere he is significantly deluded, and so, sad to say, I just scroll.
But you looked. Tell me, how long did you look?
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So we have someone on-board (Hero) who will defend to the death the right of an adult to "groom" and harass the underaged but who will inform the FBI about posted pix.
Nice.
Hypocritical, but nice.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So we have someone on-board (Hero) who will defend to the death the right of an adult to "groom" and harass the underaged but who will inform the FBI about posted pix.
Nice.
Hypocritical, but nice.
Didn't see that post, so I can't discuss as to what was posted. However 1 question I do have....
Why does a Dem Congressman ( Gerry Studds ) admit to having sex w/ a 17 yr old male page, keeps his Congressional seat and even gets re-elected, but when it's a Republican ( Mark Foley) sending naughty IM's to a 16 yr old male page, immediatly resigns has now become the target for Dems and their phony cries of 'save the children'.
Where's the consitancy ?
And Signym, if what HERO posted is indeed accurate, how can you in any way chide him for pointing out that what PN did was not only wrong, but possibly illegal ? I don't know where you get the notion that HERO would 'defend to the death' anything near what you claim, but is that as far as your concern goes for what PN has done? Seems to me, if you had any sincerity in what you say, you'd congratulate HERO for his 'outing' of P.N.
For the record, I'm glad Foley resigned, and that he's not my Congressman.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
In 1983 Studds (D) ... and Dan Crane (R) were censured by the House of Representatives for separate sexual relationships with a minor – in Studds's case, a 1973 relationship with a 17-year-old male congressional page who was of the age of legal consent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Congressional_page_sex_scandal
He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that the young man was legal and consenting. Studds did not break any U.S. laws for that time, in what he and page called a "private relationship."[1] He continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane
After his 1982 re-election, Crane was charged with having a sexual relationship ... with an underage female congressional page and was censured by the House in 1983. Crane plead guilty to the charge and issued profuse, tearful apologies. He was defeated for re-election in 1984.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Anyway, thought you'd all want to know.
Thanks, Hero. Good information.
I've found that even scrolling or page downing through PN's posts, I've seen far more than I ever wanted to see.
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I don't think that adults should be having sex with teenagers. My personal feeling is that sexual relationships should be between people who are more or less equal. Teenagers, altho they may be of the "age of consent" simply do not have equal legal standing. They can't get jobs, vote, drink, enter into contracts, get health insurance, or do many of the other things that a full adult can do. Their brains are still chemically developing (up to about the age of 19) and their frontal lobes (the part where judgment resides) are still undeveloped. Furthermore, they are often sorely lacking in real-life experience and may still be deferring to authority or unable to draw boundaries.
Sex with people who aren't legal equals, with the mentally impaired, or when one partner has a natural disadvantage (such as bigamy) just smacks of exploitation and pushes certain buttons with me.
I'm not sure about the Studds case, but if that happened while the page was working for him, seems that would be a very winnable case of sexual harassment at the very least. If that happened afterwards... well, IMHO when very much older people have sex with teenagers it says something very negative about that person, whether it was legal or not.
As far as Foley is concerned, the fact that he was co-chair of Missing and Exploited Children, pushed vigorously for the Communications Decency Act (which BTW set the age at 16) and in general went on and on about protecting children, family values and all that just bespeaks a level of hypocracy that boggles the mind.
As far as PN is concerned- he mostly posts crap- but I'm sure the FBI would consider this chaff and a waste of their time.
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Could be, but you might wanna' knock off the "Why I Hate Bush" stuff for a few days. With feds sniffing around and all...
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rue - kudos for providing the particulars. Dunno what, if any laws Foley has broken, that remains to be seen. Just glad he's out of Congress.
Quote:Bingo, Signym. It's clear Foley was simply trying to pad his political resume and appeal to his core constituents. Sadly, that's how the game is played, both sides of the aisle are guitly. What remains to be seen is how many actual physical encounters Foley has had while in Congress,and with how many different pages. My spidey sense is telling me that Foley didn't resign over something as embarrassing but trivial as IM's.
As far as Foley is concerned, the fact that he was co-chair of Missing and Exploited Children, pushed vigorously for the Communications Decency Act (which BTW set the age at 16) and in general went on and on about protecting children, family values and all that just bespeaks a level of hypocracy that boggles the mind.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Could be, but you might wanna' knock off the "Why I Hate Bush" stuff for a few days. With feds sniffing around and all...
Oh hell, I'll play that game, all day long.
Bush sucks for not closing the borders
Bush sucks for the Farm Subsidy Bill in his 1st term.
Bush sucks for not doing away with the National Education Association.
Bush sucks for sticking it to the US tax payers w/ the Drug Benefit Program.
Bush sucks.....oh, wait. Wrong thread.
Never mind
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't know where you get the notion that HERO would 'defend to the death' anything near what you claim, but is that as far as your concern goes for what PN has done?
I wrote that while there was evidence of e-mails and IMs and they are unethical under House rules they only Might be illegal and that there was no allegation of child molestation (except by Foley who claim he was...diddled by a Priest as a child) so Foley was not properly labled as a child molester at this time. In other words, look at the evidence we have, not the evidence you want. Naturally several folk then read my statement the way they wanted rather then for what it actually said.
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For the record, I'm glad Foley resigned, and that he's not my Congressman.
Well said. That's been my thought all along.
H
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Originally posted by SignyM:
As far as PN is concerned- he mostly posts crap- but I'm sure the FBI would consider this chaff and a waste of their time.
I can't disagree. But since I saw it while on City time, I was legally bound to report it.
I respectfully decline to answer why I was hanging out here on City time...
H
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Quote:I guess my eyes are worse than I thought. There is no way I could see anything unless I took the time to focus on it. I'm impressed you can see stuff simply going past it. You'd probably be wicked in a raquet sport.
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I've found that even scrolling or page downing through PN's posts, I've seen far more than I ever wanted to see.
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I went looking and it's still posted. Does anyone know how to get it removed ASAP?
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Hey Hero,
Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads. Aside from the fact that Pirate is a raving conspiracy theorist, he appears to be somewhat unbalanced as well. Maybe you should've taken this into consideration and informed him that he was violating federal law and needed to remove the pictures himself before simply turning him in. At the very least, that's a courtesy you should've extended to Haken. I hope the FBI doesn't shut down the site. 
Oh, one more thing. If Pirate had been posting about a Democrat instead of your glorious leader, George Bush, would you've been so quick to turn him in? See, I'm thinkin' not so much. Come on and admit it Hero. You're an Alliance man at heart.
Going to trial with a lawyer who considers your whole life-style a Crime in Progress is not a happy prospect.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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Originally posted by misbehaven:
Hey Hero,
Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads.
Browncoats, Browncoats
What you gonna do?
What you gonna do when they come for you?
Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site? This is one seriously harmless site.
If anything, I say good, maybe some of the snoops will become Browncoats! Come one, come all!
It's okay to leave them to die.
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Mink
"Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site? This is one seriously harmless site."
This is far too little, far too late to regain Zero all the points he lost with most of us here. And, uhm ..., if you don't know what this is about, then why are you opining?
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Originally posted by mink:
Now, I have no idea what you guys are on about and I really don't want to know, but are you honestly worried about the FBI in connection with this site?
I am now, and if you read the entire thread, then you'll see why.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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OTOH- having once been followed by the FBI for a couple of days over some utterly harmless internet conversation- maybe what'll happen is they'll look at thsi site and then put Hero's name in the "busybody" file.
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Or worse yet, they'll give him a job. And if that happens, then I'm really in trouble. 
Buy the ticket. Take the ride.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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Well, the shock's worn off somewhat.
And this is what I see -
This is not a kiddie porn site. The people who come here are not pedophiles looking for porn. PN who is a conspiracy nut was not sharing his kiddie porn. Given all that, Zero took ONE photo in ONE post out of context and felt 'compelled' to notify the FBI. That wasn't an anti-porn action. It was simply to make trouble for someone he disagrees with. Now, once you are in focus, you may or may not have a hard time with the FBI, and you will most certainly end up on a list or four. You know, those extra-legal lists where no one's been found guilty or even been accused, but where 'evidence' is compiled against you for some unknown future use.
Do you now trust Zero to NOT do that to you? To NOT find some pretext to get you into legal trouble just because he doesn't agree with you? Do you now feel as free to express your opinions? Or to share whatever information you may have?
I don't.
Well, at least now we know about him.
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The great thing about a forum like FFF.net is that provides a place for people to speak their minds without fear of reprisal...or at least it used to. Taking something like this completely out of context and contacting the gorramn feds is simply wrong. And the more I think about it the more 
I get. Even though I'm sure nothing will come of it, it's the political motivation behind it that I find disturbing.
I don't trust Hero now, and I never will after this. But as for speaking my mind, I'll continue to do so and I'd encourage everyone else to do likewise. Something tells me you're on your own, Hero. I hope it was worth it.
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend your right to say it."
-Voltaire
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I have NEVER trusted Hero. He horn-dogs after war widows, can barely smother the rage against his ex and her boyfriend, and likes to intimidate people. He's the perfectly noxious combination of fear and bullying. But altho Hero has been exposed as a Alliance mole, I don't intend to pay it any mind.
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You're right, I probably shouldn't opine, and I did read the thread, I just didn't see the post that supposedly set it all off. Call me a busybody too.
I just want to clarify that I am not condoning Hero's reporting actions, myself I would direct something like that to the site admin's attention, it's his business.
BUT - the paranoia level is on the high side, is all I'm saying.
It's okay to leave them to die.
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Well nobody is going to stop me from speaking my mind, and as for PN, say what you will about him but at leaste he is taking some action. he has his own web-site. This is his way of doing something about things he feels strongly about, at least he's doing something, I'm sure many of us here will now be put on the unpatriotic list for daring to speak our mind. that is of course if the FBI doesn't have more important things to do!!
I find Zero to be lame, and reprehensible, defintely not a Browncoat!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
In a recent thread PirateNews, well known for his crazy talk, driving while intoxicated, and tinfoil hats, posted several pictures depicting children bound and in apparent distress.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=24340
First, of all I want to note that such images have no place in a civil discussion on any topic. I will not be reproducing them here.
Second, such images are in violation of Federal Law.Quote:
2)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), "sexually
explicit conduct" means actual or simulated -
(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital,
oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between
persons of the same or opposite sex;
(ii) bestiality;
(iii) masturbation;
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of
any person;
Clearly pictures of children bound and in obvious distress regardless of being real or staged violates section (iv) above.
Section 2251 of the US Code bars the use of children for: "any sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing any visual depiction of such conduct,
Further 2251A makes it a crime to: "1) knowingly mails, or transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any child pornography;"
AND MOST IMPORTANT TO FFF.NET, Section 2251A2 makes it a crime for the folk who run our beloved Firefly fansite to: "2) knowingly receives or distributes -
(A) any child pornography that has been mailed, or shipped or
transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means,
including by computer; or
(B) any material that contains child pornography that has
been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
commerce by any means, including by computer;"
Lastly, Section 2258 requires me to report this to the FBI, which I have done. Actually its the local Ohio law which mirrors that Federal law...but I digress.
Anyway, thought you'd all want to know.
H
How dare you detest photographs of George Bush Jr's favorite "White House correspondent" "Jeff Gannon", aka Johnny Gosch. I notice you take the same attitude as all other so-called "law enforcers" who REFUSE to investigate that pedophile bondage website, and refuse to subpoena "Jeff Gannon's" (aka "James Guckert) DNA, to see if he really is the kidnapped Johnny Gosch. Pedohile Bush Sr kidnapped Gosch, and now Bush Sr owns Serenity and SciFi Channel, so it fits perfectly with this website. I hate these photos as much as anybody, it's just that I'm not willing to ignore reality by letting pedophiles hijack USA.
Hero, you need to send another email to FBI, and turn in this TV news station, for broadcasting those same photos:
Thanks for posting the US Code, tho I think you may have censored the volume numbers, if my memory serves me correctly. I've forwarded your email to Noreen Gosch, who took millions of dollars in funding away from FBI, to start the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, since the FBI's Finders were too busy kidnapping little children and raping them.
Let me get this straight - Noreen Gosch can't even post photos of her own kidnapped son, on her own website, which she is doing to try and motivate "law enforcers" to do their job and arrest pedophiles...? HA!
Okay, who's hacking my posted photos? Here, are you really a hacker? Isn't that a federal felony?
How can I get the Captain to shoot a cop in the face, and make it right? That extra moment of sadism - that's the thing that says it's okay, buddy, you're not up to spec, you're going down!
-Joss the Boss, Firefly DVD, censored Episode 1 "Serenity"
FIREFL
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Hey PN, can you lighten up a bit? Serenity doesn't fly with Jew bashing, gay bashing and other various disturbing images.
You've triggered Haken's backup Anti-Freedom program that replaces bad pics with Dukes of Hazzard photos instead.
God help us all.
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Hey PN, can you lighten up a bit? Serenity doesn't fly with Jew bashing, gay bashing and other various disturbing images.
You've triggered Haken's backup Anti-Freedom program that replaces bad pics with Dukes of Hazzard photos instead.
God help us all.
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
"Difficile est saturam non scribere."
-PNTV motto
HA! I do love my Dukes of Hazard, tho. Boss Hogg = Bush Sr.
"You can't stop the signal! Damn, that sword hurt!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org
Does that seem right to you?
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What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified. One boy doesn't have a shirt and there seems to be evidence of a star branded on his shoulder. They're disturbing images, heartbreaking, but any sex is in the eyes of the beholder. PN tells us about a child sex ring and shows us these pictures. If he were talking about a simple kidnapping and showed these pictures, they would arouse nothing but sympathy. But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No.
It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Perhaps I'll email the FBI and report "Hero" for Obstruction of Justice. Oh, that's right, he's too chicken to tell us his name or where he allegedly works as a "state prosecutor" (probably just a paralegal). And we all know the FBI is too feeble to track down anything on the interweb, such as the particular kiddie "porn" bondage website at JacobsTales.com, which has such innocent statements under Johnny Gosch/Gannon photos, as "Pinch me am I dreaming?????" and "Quick, pull down his pants while you have the chance!"
And the ever popular poem, "THE CRIMINAL MIND":
www.jacobstales.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13
Quote:
A Criminal Mind
By: TK
You see my hands are steady
You've seen my face before
Soon you can take your last look
And they'll close the door
I stand accused before you
I have no tears to cry
And you will never break me
'Til the day I die
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
I've spent my life behind these steel bars
I've paid my debt in time
But being brought to justice
That was my only crime
I don't regret a single action
I'd do the same again
These prison walls secure me
And I'm numb to pain
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
Before you hand me over
Before you read my sentence
I'd like to say a few words
Here in my own defense
Some people struggle daily
They struggle with their concience
'Til the end
I have no guilt to haunt me
I feel no wrong intent
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
Posted on Friday, July 08 @ 10:33:21 EDT by JT_admin
Note that JacobsTales.com has now censored this poem (THANKS TO PIRATENEWS.ORG!) and replaced it with "less disturbing" poetry. Or did Hero do that? If so, then thank you Hero, you're my hero - but not in a gay way.
I can see why Des Moines copsters have zero interest in that website. NOT.
Adults and "children" should be aware of these predators, in order to devise successful defenses and prosecutions. Funny how schools and govts are full of these predators, and rarely prosecute them...
"You can't stop the signal! Doh!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org
Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/
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"But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No."
So these two posts are the same? Because the picture is the same and context means nothing?
Post #1:
CHILD PORN IS AWESOME!
Post #2:
SWIMMING IS AWESOME!
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified. One boy doesn't have a shirt and there seems to be evidence of a star branded on his shoulder. They're disturbing images, heartbreaking, but any sex is in the eyes of the beholder. PN tells us about a child sex ring and shows us these pictures. If he were talking about a simple kidnapping and showed these pictures, they would arouse nothing but sympathy. But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No.
It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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Goot news!
Quote:
Welcome to Jacob's Tales.com
Recently this site was reported as having childpornography on it. First off let me say this. This site will not stand for any type of child pornography, if we find that you've uploaded pictures that are pornographic, we will track your IP and report you to the correct people to take action.
Next, the galleries will be offline until a thorough cleaning and redesign can be finished, if all goes to plan it will be back in some limited form in December.
Also, we will be shifting focus about our mission here at Jacob's Tales. We will start to focusing more on helping those in need, or for those with problems. All of our stories will be non-pornographic, except for those "coming out" stories that people wish to share to help others get through their own tough times while coping with who they are.
If you have any questions about this, please feel free to e-mail steve@jacobstales.com, hate and spam will be ignored
VOTE: Which of the seven dwarfs would you sleep with?
Is this Here's doins', or Noreen's or mine at PNTV? A lot of good folks have be reposting these disturbing photos, trying to kick the FBI to get to work. But they're too busy investigating pedophiles in Congress... A website "voluntarily" removing all photos (allegedly) is NOT the same as detective work and arrests, and recovery of kidnapped kids.
Noreen Gosch got her photos on her doorstep in an envelope, which were mostly the same photos posted on JacobsTales.com, except for a "dead" man with a noose around his neck, who was allegedly identified as one of her son's kidnappers (dead men tell no tales).
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Tash, please. Labelling a non-pornographic picture "porn" doesn't make it porn. If it did, your picture of the little girl in the swimming pool would be porn. It ain't.
Side note: did you know that they show movies like "Tom & Huck" at NAMBLA meetings? They get off on seeing children, Tash. Doesn't make "Tom & Huck" pornographic.
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NAMBLA's lawyer is now a justice on US Supreme Court - Ruth Bader GinsBERG...
North American Man/Boy Love Association
http://www.nambla1.de/
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Fears Grow Over Academic Efforts to Normalize Pedophilia
Cultural experts who agree with claims that the Supreme Court may have opened the door to legalizing pedophilia in its Lawrence v. Texas decision on private homosexual behavior point to the growing movement within academia to de-stigmatize pedophilia. When U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was an attorney for the ACLU, she co-authored a report recommending that the age of consent for sexual acts be lowered to 12 years of age.
www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200307%5CC
UL20030710c.html
"If one committed sodomy with a child of less than nine years, no guilt is incurred. He who gives his seed to Molech [Satan at Bohemian Grove] incurs no punishment. One who curses his parents isn’t punished unless he curses them by Divine Name. It is permitted to consult by charm the spirits of oil and eggs, and make incantations. Women having intercourse with a beast can marry a priest, the act is but a mere wound. A harlot’s hire is permitted, for what the woman has received is legally a gift. One can revile the Divine Name if mentally appling it to some other object. One may declare: 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. If ten men smote a man with ten staves and he died, they are exempt from punishment."
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud
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Chief Justice John Roberts is a flamin fag, so the pedophiles must be flamin fab over Bush Jr's appointment. Good thing DSM4 changed the definition of insanity to not include sodomy, or the chief judge would be in the Loony Bin with Congressman Foley, along with Rove, Cheney, all Bushes, and most of the White House employees.
www.conspiracyworld.com/index0116.htm
http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=75928&forum_id=87
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I think the key is "taken as a whole" which includes context.
"Pornography" is a layperson's term, with no particular legal significance. Jones may believe that Penthouse is non-pornographic, while Smith believes that it is. Neither is incorrect.
The term of legal significance is "obscenity", which, after struggling for many years and through many cases, the U.S. Supreme Court defined in Miller v. California in 1973. It is a three-part test, as follows:
"The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be:
(a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Kois v. Wisconsin, supra, at 230, quoting Roth v. United States, supra, at 489;
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."
http://censorware.net/essays/obscene_jt.html
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Thanks for being the voice of reason Succatash.
I found the picture offensive and so did Haken or a mod.
It saddens me that certain member's of this site would try to defend PN simply because it was Hero who raised the red flag. IMHO, posting that picture somehow vindicates the picture taker, their sickness is being spread for all to see. PN's posts should stand on merit alone, why the need to 'shock and awe' with highly questionable pictures? I guess if the substance is lacking, flashing lights and pictures are the way to go.
And the not so subtle hint that a certain member 'enjoyed' the pic is irresponsible as well, IMHO.
Hero is a lawyer. If he thinks the picture is illegal I will have to bow to his greater understanding of the applicable laws.
Now go back to defending PN in this thread while castigating Foley in the other.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Thanks for alerting the FBI. We'll all really appreciate having them snooping around our threads.
If there is child porn here then they should be looking around. They wont shut down the site though unless it continues unchecked after its been brought to the moderator's attenion.
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Maybe you should've taken this into consideration and informed him that he was violating federal law and needed to remove the pictures himself before simply turning him in.
I'm sure he already new the nature and quality of the pictures he posted. There are many laws that PirateNews has expressed contempt for.
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At the very least, that's a courtesy you should've extended to Haken.
I agree and I first posted my thoughts and a request for the removal of the pictures in the thread. Later I had time to take a look at the actual law and found that I had a legal obligation to make a report and I saw the liability that this site was under just by having those pictures here. I promptly e-mailed Haken about it so he would not get in trouble, and started this thread.
As for courtesy, PirateNews deserved none.
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Oh, one more thing. If Pirate had been posting about a Democrat instead of your glorious leader, George Bush, would you've been so quick to turn him in?
If a pro-Bush person posts child porn and I see it, then I would act in the same fashion. Politics plays no role in how I enforce the law...or at least how I enforce child pornography laws...speeding tickets, thats all political (Democrats speed, Republicans don't).
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Originally posted by piratenews:
And the ever popular poem, "THE CRIMINAL MIND":
www.jacobstales.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13Quote:
A Criminal Mind
By: TK
You see my hands are steady
You've seen my face before
Soon you can take your last look
And they'll close the door
I stand accused before you
I have no tears to cry
And you will never break me
'Til the day I die
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
I've spent my life behind these steel bars
I've paid my debt in time
But being brought to justice
That was my only crime
I don't regret a single action
I'd do the same again
These prison walls secure me
And I'm numb to pain
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
Before you hand me over
Before you read my sentence
I'd like to say a few words
Here in my own defense
Some people struggle daily
They struggle with their concience
'Til the end
I have no guilt to haunt me
I feel no wrong intent
A criminal mind
Is all I've ever known
They tried to reform me
But I'm made of cold stone
My criminal mind
Is all I've ever had
Ask one who's known me
If I'm really so bad
I am
Posted on Friday, July 08 @ 10:33:21 EDT by JT_admin
Note that JacobsTales.com has now censored this poem (THANKS TO PIRATENEWS.ORG!) and replaced it with "less disturbing" poetry. Or did Hero do that? If so, then thank you Hero, you're my hero - but not in a gay way.
I can see why Des Moines copsters have zero interest in that website. NOT.
Actually it probably had something to do with copyright laws. A criminal mind is actually a song written and performed by Canadian Lawrence Gowan.
http://www.gowan.org/cd.htm
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Originally posted by rue:
Given all that, Zero took ONE photo in ONE post out of context and felt 'compelled' to notify the FBI. That wasn't an anti-porn action. It was simply to make trouble for someone he disagrees with.
So child porn is ok with you if the pictures are limited in number, and you understand the context, and you agree with the person posting it.
You claim that I was "compelled" by politics to take action. In the very first post on this thread I cite the Federal law that provides the basis for my legal duty to report child porn. I also cite the potential liability for this site. In other words I did what I HAD to do. Perhaps you would prefer me to ignor my legal duties because of my political leanings...somehow I think that would be wrong.
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Do you now trust Zero to NOT do that to you? To NOT find some pretext to get you into legal trouble just because he doesn't agree with you? Do you now feel as free to express your opinions? Or to share whatever information you may have?
So for you child porn is ok. But our political differences are the real evil. Thats why you liberals are so dangerous. A civil discussion is more dangerous to you then pictures of the violent abuse of children. I think you should run on that platform in 2008 and see how far it gets you.
If PN was a Republican, then you'd be upset, not that he posted child porn, but that he's a Republican. I think you allow your Republican Rage to overshadow your reason. Knock it off.
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Hero- IMHO altho what PN posted was disturbing in my view it was not "obscene". The only emotions it aroused in me was horror and pity. But what you saw in the picture was what you brought to it: an inability to deal with sexual relations from anything other than a position of intimidation. I haven't forgotten about the time you "joked" (yeah, ha ha) about calling in Homeland Security on your ex's new boyfriend and having him rousted at 2 AM. You give breaks to Marines but throw the book at a mentally retarded kid. You use the law for your personal power. This is just another one of those little games that you like to play.
I'm not fooled by your sanctimonious mouthings. You're a pervert in the making, if you aren't already one.
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What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified.
There is no difference in the US Code:
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(B), "sexually
explicit conduct" means actual or simulated -
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
And there is no exceptions for the type of use for the pictures. Law says no pictures of the abuse of children, actual or simulated and has been updated to specifically include pictures transmitted by computer.
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It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.
So for you child porn is ok...as long as its political. And they have accused me of hiding behind politics.
I disagree with alot of you about alot of things. I enjoy the civil discussions and some of the poking we do. There is no place on this board or in any forum for child porn. If you disagree, fine, lets talk about it. If you disagree and post child porn, then you deserve to be arrested, thats not my opinion, thats the law.
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"So child porn is ok with you if the pictures are limited in number, and you understand the context, and you agree with the person posting it."
There's a new show on TV called 'kidnapped'. Another one, been on a while, called 'criminal minds'. You'll find worse 'simulated' photos, and even nastier context, on both. Both are broadcast every single week, over public airwaves, as entertainment.
As Tash pointed out, context is important. In context, this was not a porn posting.
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So a story about genital mutilation or child prostitution or child soldiers or genocide with related but non-explicit pix would be "porn"?
Sure.
I personally think you need to get your head out of the gutter.
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Originally posted by rue:
As Tash pointed out, context is important. In context, this was not a porn posting.
PN used the picture to back up his claims that Bush and his 'cronies' sleep with kids. How do you think this was NOT a porn posting?
IMHO, if PN was discussing disciplinary tactics or knot tying or the need for children to get enough sleep or any other thing, the picture was inappropriate.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
But what you saw in the picture was what you brought to it: an inability to deal with sexual relations from anything other than a position of intimidation.
The picture is not illegal because of the person viewing it. Its illegal because of the harm to the person in it. These laws are about the protection of children from people who prey upon them. We as a society view these pictures are harmful to the children depicted and to all children. We have enacted a law against it.
If you disagree with the law, run for Congress:
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"Hi, I'm Signy. I think pictures showing children bound and gagged are ok by me. If you agree then vote for me. I promise to do my best to loosen child pornography laws, raise taxes, and surrender to the terrorists."
You might even have a shot in parts of Vermont and California...
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Originally posted by rue:
There's a new show on TV called 'kidnapped'. Another one, been on a while, called 'criminal minds'. You'll find worse 'simulated' photos, and even nastier context, on both. Both are broadcast every single week, over public airwaves, as entertainment.
Call the FCC. I know CSI (or one of the other CBS crime dramas) took a hit for something like this a year or so ago.
I also note for the record that most TV shows that show something bordline explicit can prove the actor or actress was over 18 at the time...thats why all the 'kids' on shows like One Tree Hill look like they are in college.
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The context was to get people to DO SOMETHING about child exploitation. I don't buy in to PN's conspiracy theories, but I also know that kids are sold and abused every day in the USA because this world is full of people attracted to powerlessness. I know one mom whose daughter was kidnapped, and she can't get the county prosecutors to do jack about it. People like to stick their heads in the sand.
You know, there are a LOT of TV shows that push the "kid" button. They show kids being kidnapped, threatened, drugged, tortured and killed. The "context" of those shows is to bring in advertising dollars. THAT to me is obscene.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So a story about genital mutilation or child prostitution or child soldiers or genocide with related but non-explicit pix would be "porn"?
I don't think so. I think the Supreme Court drew a distinction with regards to fiction and animation.
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Quote:Huh? Non of these are fiction, and they are not animation. I don't know what planet you're living on. Hero, as far as I'm concerned you're on some kind of kinky personal power trip, and you abuse your job. I knew someone like you. The DOJ was very interested in him.
So a story about genital mutilation or child prostitution or child soldiers or genocide with related but non-explicit pix would be "porn"? - Signy
I don't think so. I think the Supreme Court drew a distinction with regards to fiction and animation.- Hero
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The context was to get people to DO SOMETHING about child exploitation. I don't buy in to PN's conspiracy theories, but I also know that kids are sold and abused every day in the USA because this world is full of people attracted to powerlessness. I know one mom whose daughter was kidnapped, and she can't get the county prosecutors to do jack about it. People like to stick their heads in the sand.
Please provide a link to your referenced kidnapped daughter story. In this day and age of Amber alerts and nation wide media coverage, there has to be more to this story than people 'sticking their heads in the sand'.
Posting to stir stuff up.
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"Call the FCC."
Oh, NOT the FBI ? Doesn't that seem like a double standard to you?
For soneone who likes to portray himself as savvy, you sure act awful stoopid.
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It's a personal matter, complicated by the fact that the daughter is a 14-year old bipolar oppositional girl who has alleged abused against the mom. Despite CPS' support for the mom, the mom can't get the detectives to do anything to track the daughter down. No links available.
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Isn't it also interesting that the same pictures have been posted in other threads here before and nobody felt compelled to call the G-men? Am I the only one who noticed that? This wasn't an isolated incident. But, now and suddenly, we have to bring in the feds...
As to whether or not those pictures qualify as child porn, I guess the feds will have to decide. Maybe one is lurking now and will be nice enough to sign up and let us know (assuming he/she isn't busy taking names for future reservations at Gitmo). But, come on folks, does this really pass the smell test? Like Justice Stewart, I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it and that ain't porn.
That being said, if Hero's version of events is correct, he probably didn't have much of a choice in reporting it. If he was on city time and failed to report potentially criminal acts involving a minor, wouldn't he be just as guilty as the Republican leadership in not reporting Foley's potential crimes? Funny, how one Republican doing the right thing shows how the House leadership did the wrong thing...
And one last thought, Hero is, apparently, a prosecutor. His career is built on putting men in cages. Is it reasonable to expect him to react a different way? These guys routinely deal with the dregs of society and that has to have an effect on his view of his fellow man. Again, isn't it reasonable for him to assume the worst?
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Quote:These pictures would be from a case that's about 15 years old by now. If this was a recent picture, I sure as hell would want him to report it! But the "context" of the picture, as I understand it, is it was posted by the mom because it shows her son who was abducted many many year ago and she was trying to revive interest in his case.
...and failed to report potentially criminal acts involving a minor
Quote:What I found is that Hero assumes the worst about SOME people (liberals, progressives, mentally retarded, women) and assumes the best about OTHERS (Marines, conservatives etc). He doesn't know the meaning of the phrase "even-handed".
Hero is, apparently, a prosecutor. His career is built on putting men in cages. Is it reasonable to expect him to react a different way? These guys routinely deal with the dregs of society and that has to have an effect on his view of his fellow man. Again, isn't it reasonable for him to assume the worst?
BTW Hero, I noticed you got awfully quiet when I brought up the DOJ. You don't like the shoe being on the other foot, do you? Not to worry- altho my point was true, my contacts with the DOJ are in the distant past. You can breathe easy now. But like any bully, you back down as soon as confronted.
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So anyway, in general, this is what I find interesting.
Alleged republican pedophilia is in the news.
In less than a week Zero blows PN into the FBI on a possible 'pedophilia' technicality. Not for earlier postings that are borderline hate speech. Not for postings that may or may not call for violence against the government. But for an out of context photo trying to get action on an unsolved real-life case.
How are we to read this?
For one, opportunism. Look Boss! Look what I did! Pant pant pant slobber lick.
For another, egoism. See everyone here ! I'M important ! Look what I know! Look what I can do to any one of you ! If you can't LIKE me then you will FEAR me !
Cowardice. What else was I to do ?? Whine, cringe. I had no options ! sigh ...
Do you wonder why I call him Zero?
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I think you pegged it.
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The sad part is, I don't like, approve, or have an interest in PNs postings. That's why I scroll scroll, scroll my mouse; gently down the screen ...
It doesn't take a genius to figure out both parties can be wrong.
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"Call the FCC."
Oh, NOT the FBI ? Doesn't that seem like a double standard to you?
For soneone who likes to portray himself as savvy, you sure act awful stoopid.
If your talking about television, call the FCC. Its not a matter of standards double or otherwise...the FCC handles broadcast television. If someone gets unreported income from their child porn business, then the IRS will be involved. Once it moves beyond the scope of the FCC (or IRS), then the FBI would get involved, but that call is after the one to the FCC.
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Isn't it also interesting that the same pictures have been posted in other threads here before and nobody felt compelled to call the G-men? Am I the only one who noticed that? This wasn't an isolated incident. But, now and suddenly, we have to bring in the feds...
If that's true, why didn't you say something? If you look at the original thread, you'll notice that I express dismay that people were not already speaking out against it. Its dismay I still feel. As for me, I saw, I reported, I made my fuss, I did my part. If someone else wants to drop the ball, thats their business. But I don't want to be the one that lets this kind of thing pass by. Thats not something I could live with.
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assuming he/she isn't busy taking names for future reservations at Gitmo
We don't send these kind of folk to Gitmo (with its good food and sunny climate). They go to County at best or state prison at worst and, lets just say justice gets served.
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wouldn't he be just as guilty as the Republican leadership in not reporting Foley's potential crimes? Funny, how one Republican doing the right thing shows how the House leadership did the wrong thing...
I've found, despite the bluster I myself am often guilty of, that doing the right thing and doing the wrong thing tend to be non-partisan choices. Democrats are good people, some commit crimes, some make bad choices. Republicans are also good people, some commit crimes, some make bad choices. That said, I don't think I've ever convicted a Republican of theft or a Democrat of failing to file City income tax...but since I don't ask party affiliation before trial, I can't be sure.
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His career is built on putting men in cages. Is it reasonable to expect him to react a different way? These guys routinely deal with the dregs of society and that has to have an effect on his view of his fellow man. Again, isn't it reasonable for him to assume the worst?
Those are nice cages ours is freshly painted by some nice volunteers in orange suits. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, that is to say I doubt everyone who comes in. But I always give people as fair a shake as I can. Except the liberal long haired hippy types and anybody who has a 'John Kerry' bumper sticker...
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Originally posted by SignyM:
He doesn't know the meaning of the phrase "even-handed".
Means you slap them with both hands...
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BTW Hero, I noticed you got awfully quiet when I brought up the DOJ. You don't like the shoe being on the other foot, do you? Not to worry- altho my point was true, my contacts with the DOJ are in the distant past. You can breathe easy now. But like any bully, you back down as soon as confronted.
Or I was off in court helping resolve a Domestic Violence case that was set for trial this morning when the victim I subpoena'd didn't show. I had her arrested and brought before the Judge where she admitted under oath that her written statement to the police was a lie. I then had her arrested for falsification and she's in jail till she gets her bail hearing tomorrow.
She cried...can't say I didn't smile a little, because some days I just love my job. She deserved it, either she lied to the police, who she called out there, or she's lying now because she and her sister have made up. I don't care which.
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Originally posted by rue:
How are we to read this?
For one, opportunism. Look Boss! Look what I did! Pant pant pant slobber lick.
If I licked my boss, he'd fire me...and rightfully so.
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For another, egoism. See everyone here ! I'M important ! Look what I know! Look what I can do to any one of you ! If you can't LIKE me then you will FEAR me !
Considering that any one of you could do the same thing, makes this POWER of mine...common. The only difference is that I actually did something. Its not me you fear...its your own shadow, which explains why you and so many others are advocating leaving your heads buried in the ground (or is it up your...)
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How are we to read this?
Here's my take from listening to the enlightened discussion on this topic:
Liberals can't defend America...part six: "Hating Republicans is more important then doing the right thing and really, when you get down to it, there is no right thing because child porn, terrorism, and reality TV are all ok by us. In other words, only right is really wrong." I bet Danny Glover and Hugo Chavez will be glad to come to your press conferance for that one.
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Whatever.
You think you're the only one who's ever taken action to protect a child? I've taken children into my home... kids that I'm still helping out today. I've reported to CPS, but not because of a 15-year-old out of context photo. You're sanctimonious and just plain boring.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:These pictures would be from a case that's about 15 years old by now. If this was a recent picture, I sure as hell would want him to report it! But the "context" of the picture, as I understand it, is it was posted by the mom because it shows her son who was abducted many many year ago and she was trying to revive interest in his case.
...and failed to report potentially criminal acts involving a minor
No, I get that. Just trying to give a brother the benefit of the doubt while also trying to prove to Hero that the House leadership reacted to Foley in a way that contradicted his actions in a similar circumstance. The whole goose & the gander thing, ya' know? I thought that was somewhat pertinent...
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Originally posted by Hero:
If that's true, why didn't you say something? If you look at the original thread, you'll notice that I express dismay that people were not already speaking out against it. Its dismay I still feel. As for me, I saw, I reported, I made my fuss, I did my part. If someone else wants to drop the ball, thats their business. But I don't want to be the one that lets this kind of thing pass by. Thats not something I could live with.
Oh, it's true. I didn't speak out because I didn't consider it porn. I, furthermore, did not know that any photo in that vein might even be considered illegal. Unsettling and distasteful, yeah, but not illegal. As others have already mentioned, there is far worse on broadcast television quite often.
And I'm not a rat, Agent Kujan...
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We don't send these kind of folk to Gitmo (with its good food and sunny climate). They go to County at best or state prison at worst and, lets just say justice gets served.
I was refering to the pinkos. From what I understand, you cast the child pornographers down amongst the sodomites. And good for you in that regard...
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I've found, despite the bluster...
Yeah, I've suspected for several weeks that a good deal of what you post is just to see how quickly you can piss off all the lefties.
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Except the liberal long haired hippy types and anybody who has a 'John Kerry' bumper sticker...
Guess I best not speed through your jurisdiction...
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Hey PN Randy Rhodes was suppose to have Jeff Gannon on her show today, he said he would do the interview and then backed out of it a few minutes before he would go on.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
What the--? Am I the only one who doesn't see any "child porn" going on in those pictures? Jeez, there's a difference between sex and violence. Put your fantasies aside and take a look at what's happening in the pictures. I see fully clothed children bound and gagged, and visibly terrified. One boy doesn't have a shirt and there seems to be evidence of a star branded on his shoulder. They're disturbing images, heartbreaking, but any sex is in the eyes of the beholder. PN tells us about a child sex ring and shows us these pictures. If he were talking about a simple kidnapping and showed these pictures, they would arouse nothing but sympathy. But because PN says the children in the pictures were sexually abused, that somehow changes the pictures? No.
It disturbs me that so many folks believe that pictures that show the unambiguous suffering of children should be censored--makes me wonder if they'd really rather not know about it. I know that's not particularly fair, but the invisibility of child abuse is one of its most insidious characteristics. PN is not sexualizing these children, he's politicizing them.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Exactly there were no child porn pictures posted on this site,
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Thanks for being the voice of reason Succatash.
I found the picture offensive and so did Haken or a mod.
It saddens me that certain member's of this site would try to defend PN simply because it was Hero who raised the red flag. IMHO, posting that picture somehow vindicates the picture taker, their sickness is being spread for all to see. PN's posts should stand on merit alone, why the need to 'shock and awe' with highly questionable pictures? I guess if the substance is lacking, flashing lights and pictures are the way to go.
And the not so subtle hint that a certain member 'enjoyed' the pic is irresponsible as well, IMHO.
Hero is a lawyer. If he thinks the picture is illegal I will have to bow to his greater understanding of the applicable laws.
Now go back to defending PN in this thread while castigating Foley in the other.
Posting to stir stuff up.
You can find something offensive, but that doesn't classify it as kiddie porn..
Zero has major issues, one of them being he can't stand to face the truth about the party he's sold his soul to.!! , that or he just doesn't care that he worships the devil!!
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Originally posted by rue:
So anyway, in general, this is what I find interesting.
Alleged republican pedophilia is in the news.
In less than a week Zero blows PN into the FBI on a possible 'pedophilia' technicality. Not for earlier postings that are borderline hate speech. Not for postings that may or may not call for violence against the government. But for an out of context photo trying to get action on an unsolved real-life case.
How are we to read this?
Zero is just flaming mad because what is happening in the new right now gives crediblity to what we've been posting for months..and that pisses him off, one of our so called tin hat foil theorys is actually looking like there is something to it and he can't stand it!! Thats the point of this whole thing!!
For one, opportunism. Look Boss! Look what I did! Pant pant pant slobber lick.
For another, egoism. See everyone here ! I'M important ! Look what I know! Look what I can do to any one of you ! If you can't LIKE me then you will FEAR me !
Cowardice. What else was I to do ?? Whine, cringe. I had no options !
Do you wonder why I call him Zero?
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Originally posted by rue:
So anyway, in general, this is what I find interesting.
Alleged republican pedophilia is in the news.
In less than a week Zero blows PN into the FBI on a possible 'pedophilia' technicality. Not for earlier postings that are borderline hate speech. Not for postings that may or may not call for violence against the government. But for an out of context photo trying to get action on an unsolved real-life case.
How are we to read this?
For one, opportunism. Look Boss! Look what I did! Pant pant pant slobber lick.
For another, egoism. See everyone here ! I'M important ! Look what I know! Look what I can do to any one of you ! If you can't LIKE me then you will FEAR me !
Cowardice. What else was I to do ?? Whine, cringe. I had no options !
Do you wonder why I call him Zero?
Zero is just flaming mad because what is happening in the news right now gives crediblity to what we've been posting about for months..and that pisses him off, one of our so called tin hat foil theorys is actually looking like there is something to it and he can't stand it!! Thats the point of this whole thing!!
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Oh come now, you knew he was a sociopath, and if you didn't... you should have.
I've twice deliberately baited wouldbehero into showing his true colors - often shared by others in law enforcement and government, which is one part of why things are so messed up.
So either you're way too damn oblivious, or way too damn forgiving, and either one is a curse.
Treat him like the troll he is.
And I am too durned busy out here to play tit for tat with him either, there's stuff to be done, a little "house" cleaning, if you would, instead of running around trying to negotiate with flat-earther apologists and trolls trying to distract from the issue at hand... and had you enough sense, you would NOT allow exactly what has happened, once again an important discussion has been sidetracked and sandbagged by these trolls.
Stop falling for that shit, you've got more sense, USE it, willya.
-Frem
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Originally posted by rue:
Given all that, Zero took ONE photo in ONE post out of context and felt 'compelled' to notify the FBI. That wasn't an anti-porn action. It was simply to make trouble for someone he disagrees with.
So child porn is ok with you if the pictures are limited in number, and you understand the context, and you agree with the person posting it.
You claim that I was "compelled" by politics to take action. In the very first post on this thread I cite the Federal law that provides the basis for my legal duty to report child porn. I also cite the potential liability for this site. In other words I did what I HAD to do. Perhaps you would prefer me to ignor my legal duties because of my political leanings...somehow I think that would be wrong.Quote:
Do you now trust Zero to NOT do that to you? To NOT find some pretext to get you into legal trouble just because he doesn't agree with you? Do you now feel as free to express your opinions? Or to share whatever information you may have?
So for you child porn is ok. But our political differences are the real evil. Thats why you liberals are so dangerous. A civil discussion is more dangerous to you then pictures of the violent abuse of children. I think you should run on that platform in 2008 and see how far it gets you.
If PN was a Republican, then you'd be upset, not that he posted child porn, but that he's a Republican. I think you allow your Republican Rage to overshadow your reason. Knock it off.
H
give it up Zero, we are not as stupid as the people who watch Faux news..we are aware of the games people like you try to play, your selfrightious hyocrisy is a little to late, you've already shown that your more then willing to defend and support pedohiles as long as they have an R. next to their name
trying to take the attention off of yourself and your own disgusting deeds and put the focus on P.N is not going to work!! your not fooling anyone but yourself if you think this ploy is working its not!!
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Oh, it's true. I didn't speak out because I didn't consider it porn.
When I first saw them I wasn't sure, but I suspected. The only child porn I've prosecuted involved nudity at least, but I thought the SM stuff was there, so I checked and discovered not only the section "iv" SM ban, but also my own duty to report and Haken's potential liability. So I did my thing.
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you cast the child pornographers down amongst the sodomites.
Don't have a problem with the sodomites...so long as they don't immigrate.
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Yeah, I've suspected for several weeks that a good deal of what you post is just to see how quickly you can piss off all the lefties.
They don't need my help. Hold up a Bush/Cheney sign and they charge like bulls. Which explains all the bullshite.
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Guess I best not speed through your jurisdiction...
I advise cautious adherance to the speed limit and the road conditions. Safety and good sense has no jurisdiction.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
You can find something offensive, but that doesn't classify it as kiddie porn..
I agree. The law classifies it as child porn. Pictures of children bound and gagged and in distress meet the legal definition provided by the US Code.
If you don't believe me, your incapable of that much faith, look it up, I cited the code section earlier.
If you don't believe me and wont look it up for yourself...then your an idiot.
Prove me wrong...I dare you.
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This is the entire legal section, unedited:
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For the purposes of this chapter, the term—
(1) “minor” means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2)
(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated—
(i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(ii) bestiality;
(iii) masturbation;
(iv) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(v) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;
(B) For purposes of subsection 8(B) of this section, “sexually explicit conduct” means—
(i) graphic sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex, or lascivious simulated sexual intercourse where the genitals, breast, or pubic area of any person is exhibited;
(ii) graphic or lascivious simulated;
(I) bestiality;
(II) masturbation; or
(III) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(iii) graphic or simulated lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;
(3) “producing” means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;
(4) “organization” means a person other than an individual;
(5) “visual depiction” includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image;
(6) “computer” has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;
(7) “custody or control” includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;
(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
(9) “identifiable minor”—
(A) means a person—
(i)
(I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or
(II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and
(ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and
(B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.
(10) “graphic”, when used with respect to a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, means that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area of any depicted person or animal during any part of the time that the sexually explicit conduct is being depicted; and
(11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.
The definition requires that to be child porn it must be "graphic or lascivious". (Either one will suffice.) I didn't see a deifnition for "lascivious" but "graphic" means "that a viewer can observe any part of the genitals or pubic area". Since by definition it must be graphic or lascivious, by the definition of graphic, it's not child porn.
(B) For purposes of subsection 8(B) (the kiddie porn section) “sexually explicit conduct” means —
(ii) graphic or lascivious
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Hero,
Sorry man, but you're a goddamned idiot.
Don't you have friends?
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Originally posted by Hero:
The law classifies it as child porn. Pictures of children bound and gagged and in distress meet the legal definition provided by the US Code.
If you don't believe me, your incapable of that much faith, look it up, I cited the code section earlier.
What's the VOLUME NUMBER? I'm lazy.
Hero, please attack pedophile pimp Congressman Barney Frank, Jewish candidate for US Senate. His pimp partner alleged murdered himself by gunshot to the head during the Washington Times' expose of 80 newspaper articles of Bush Sr's White House pedophiles.
FYI, here's how our sodomites in Congress use the internet. Mark Foley is instant sodomizing a former page in Knoxville, Tennessee, home of Skull & Boner ambassador/mayor Victor "Victoria" Ashe, Bush Jr's lifetime sodomite boytoy.
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maf54: so are you single now
maf54: no ties that bind
Ty1066: the divorce should be final in the next two weeks.
Ty1066: why do you ask?
maf54: cool
maf54: cause
Ty1066: you lookin' for a boyfriend?
maf54: yup
Ty1066: are you ever gonna come out or are you happy in the closet?
maf54: with a nice ... (expletive deleted)
maf54: i love the closet like you do
www.knoxnews.com/kns/politics/article/0,1406,KNS_356_5045606,00.html
If you click the link, they discuss Congressman Zack Wamp (R-TN), who's a convicted drug dealer.
It's a good thing Noreen Gosch posted those photos of her kidnapped son on her website, otherwise the other 2 kidnapped boys would never have been identified, since the copsters and FBI REFUSE to investigate. My website got at least one tip for Noreen, from a former resident of her town.
Maybe Hero did a good thing, and the FBI might actually investigate THIS CASE, and not investigate FireFlyFans.net?
And remember, the photos in question display a White House Correspondent, unless proven otherwise by DNA test. Since FBI, US attorneys general, state prosecutors, local cops and "Gannon/Guckert" refuse this DNA test, lack of rebuttal argument proves these photos are in fact Jeff Gannon, aka Johnny Gosch.
www.johnnygosch.com
"You can't stop the signal. Get away from me with that sword, you Police State Death Squad psycho!"
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org
Does that seem right to you?
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Quote:Of course, he's a lawyer == Souless scumbag
Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Yeah, I've suspected for several weeks that a good deal of what you post is just to see how quickly you can piss off all the lefties.
. A prosecutor as well, the kind of guy who makes all the overtures about community mindedness, saving 'US' from 'THEM' but when it gets right down to it the only person 'Hero' is interested in is himself. Kinda like borderline sociopathy.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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More graphics available at www.desktophippie.com - yes, I've moved!
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Quote:I thought it was overt and pretty much wrote him off as that. But SignyM had an observation (fear of being thought of as a hick) that make me reconsider there is specific history playing out as rage, fear and need towards women, and deep insecurity. IMHO And since that humanizes him, I'll go with that.
Originally posted by citizen:
Kinda like borderline sociopathy.
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Originally posted by rue:
playing out as rage, fear and need towards women, and deep insecurity.
Ha! Thats marriage!
Thanks, needed good laugh. Will pass it on to the girlfriend for review and comment.
H
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What can I say. Even the freeway killer has a wife.
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Originally posted by rue:
Even the freeway killer has a wife.
Rue, that's the best movie tagline I've heard in a long time! Let's pitch a movie to Hollywood, and we can split the profits 50/50, okay?
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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HUH ...
You're right.
I never noticed ... 
Nice PIC BTW. It really goes with the theme.
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Rue, a thread for your cool quote. Sorry, but I really liked it.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=24494
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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Well, gosh ..., I'm just glad you liked it. 
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Wow, looky what I missed. Child porn, posters sticking up for PN, Ruse's venomous drivel. What a week you freaks have had. RWers, you should be very proud, you have outdone your selves. If it looks like child porn, smells like child porn...It can probably be found in rue's purse. I don't recall the photos, but I would think it's better to be safe than sorry. Hero did what he thought was right. It's nice to see someone with conviction on this board. Why defend child porn just because Hero pointed it out? You sick crooked pecker retards, you disgust me. Well, it's true......
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You admire Hero for drawing attention and trying to get as many people exposed as possible to Child pornography? Weird.
Fact is whether it is or it ain't putting a thread up which only serves to draw attention to something that should be dealt with between the administration of this site and whatever relevent authorities is kind of sick.
He didn't inform the FBI or anyone else, all he did is post this thread to bluster his own self importance.
Using child porn, or the accusation of same to massage ones own ego, now that disgusts me.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Huh. Well, since Rainman didn't see the picture everything he says is irrelevamt.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Didn't see that post, so I can't discuss as to what was posted. However 1 question I do have....
Why does a Dem Congressman ( Gerry Studds ) admit to having sex w/ a 17 yr old male page,
Operative word is ADMIT. He admitted it. He didn't lie and he didn't cover it up. No one expects sainthood. But is it too freakin much to ask that those in power take responsibility for their own stupidity? I think not.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Huh. Well, since Rainman didn't see the picture everything he says is irrelevamt.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
Not true. I get the gist with the descriptions of the pics earlier in this thread. Why even post pics that come close to being child porn? Children tied up in vulnerable poses etc..? There is no place on a Sci-Fi board for that nonsense. That some of you have become myopic, most likely the result of your one-sided political circle jerk threads, is really sad. Just think... I have to point this out. And whats with you retards always posting that another's opinion is irrelevant just because it is opposite of your own? So go take the block of cheese out of your ass and feed it to your mother. Well, it's her fault your an asshole....Well, it's true........
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Quote:This is SOOoo off-track it's hilarious! Do you have any more? Well, it's true ..
Originally posted by kaneman:
Wow, looky what I missed. Child porn, posters sticking up for PN, Ruse's venomous drivel. What a week you freaks have had. RWers, you should be very proud, you have outdone your selves. If it looks like child porn, smells like child porn...It can probably be found in rue's purse. I don't recall the photos, but I would think it's better to be safe than sorry. Hero did what he thought was right. It's nice to see someone with conviction on this board. Why defend child porn just because Hero pointed it out? You sick crooked pecker retards, you disgust me. Well, it's true......
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AUwipe:
"Why does a Dem Congressman ( Gerry Studds ) admit to having sex w/ a 17 yr old male page"
Do you even know how to read? This was addressed MULTIPLE times. TWO congressmen were censured - a democrate (Studds) and a republican (Crane).
The male page Studds had an affair with in 1973 was of the age of consent, at that time 17. No laws were broken. Crane, the republican had sex with an underage female page. He was charged and plead guilty.
Maybe you need to get you head out of your butt and smell some fresh air.
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Originally posted by rue:
Canker sore-Quote:This is SOOoo off-track it's hilarious! Do you have any more? Well, it's true ..
Originally posted by kaneman:
Wow, looky what I missed. Child porn, posters sticking up for PN, Ruse's venomous drivel. What a week you freaks have had. RWers, you should be very proud, you have outdone your selves. If it looks like child porn, smells like child porn...It can probably be found in rue's purse. I don't recall the photos, but I would think it's better to be safe than sorry. Hero did what he thought was right. It's nice to see someone with conviction on this board. Why defend child porn just because Hero pointed it out? You sick crooked pecker retards, you disgust me. Well, it's true......
Ruse, there's always more where that came from..I have a huge ass
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HUH ???
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Any sane definition of pornography has to include an assessment of the lascivious intent behind it. Otherwise, we end up defining what is appropriate by some viewer's willingness to sexualize the images in question. The very same reasoning bans Shakespeare and condemns women who have been raped for wearing "provocative" clothing. Next stop, Burqaville.
Anyone here believe a picture of a fully clothed grown man bound and gagged to be pornographic? Then why pictures of teenagers so bound? What is it about helplessness in children that makes an image sexual?
What about a woman bound and gagged? Howabout a "pretty" woman bound and gagged?
And just to be clear: I got no problem if Haken wants to remove images from his website that he finds too disturbing, but "disturbing" doesn't equal "porn."
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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It looks to me like there are a couple of different things going on here.
The first is what does US law consider pornography? Well, that's where the information Hero posted can be valuable. Whether or not I agree with the law, the law of the land is the law of the land. Part of advanced democracy is acquainting ourselves with the statutes so that a) we don't unwittingly violate them b) we identify that which we think is less smart and a potential candidate for revision.
A second part is whether or not it should be reported to the FBI. For myself, personally, I wouldn't have. While I can see how pictures that PN has posted could be construed as pornography under the letter of the law I don't think that PN took the photos or is distributing them as pornography. In other words, I see them as historic artifacts that are disturbing but not, in my opinion, pornographic. Although, in this instance, I am sympathetic to Hero's position. He is an employee of the court and has to adhere to an additional set of protocols that may seem at cross purposes to common sense. Acting on a strict literal interpretation of what is or isn't pornography, given his set of additional constraints, is in his best career interests.
To kind of sum up, I'm happy that Hero actually cited something accurately. This is a step in the right direction, in my opinion. It's a far cry from using Drudge or the latest GOP talking points as a source. So, kudos Hero. Remember, the truth will set you free. I'm sad that the FBI got dragged into all this. They have better ways to spend their time.
Although, as has been noted by others, I wish that the Republican House leadership had shown a similar level of diligance with respect to Representative Foley. If they had, he would've been gone many many years ago.
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:I guess my eyes are worse than I thought. There is no way I could see anything unless I took the time to focus on it. I'm impressed you can see stuff simply going past it. You'd probably be wicked in a raquet sport.
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I've found that even scrolling or page downing through PN's posts, I've seen far more than I ever wanted to see.
Well, there's a big difference between identifying something and actually doing anything about it
. I am proud of my ability to recognize and make sense of visual information at a rapid pace. However, I am sorely lacking when it comes to actually responding physically to that visual information. In other words, I suck at tennis.
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The Foley scandal, resignation and "criminal investigation by FBI" coincidentally was "leaked" (after how many years?) to take the media attention off the new Gosch/Gannon kidnappings photos, which lead straight to the Bush Family White House... So Foley gets to play the fall guy, without fear of indictment or arrest, just like his fellow rump-ranger Karl Rove.
Now it's reported worldwide that House speaker Hastert is a homosexual pedophile, which explains why he had no problem with Foley doing the same. Excellent blackmail to control the votes in Congress to benefit the Bush Gang.
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"There is also much focus on the relationship between House Speaker Dennis Hastert and his chief of staff, 56-year old Scott Palmer. Hastert and Palmer, Hastert's longtime unmarried adviser, live together in a DC townhouse along with Hastert's Deputy Chief of Staff, Mike Stokke, while Hastert's wife Jean lives in Yorkville, Illinois and stays at a hotel when she visits Washington. WMR's State Department sources have also reported that the visits of Hastert and other congressional leaders and staff members to certain Southeast Asian nations and the Northern Marianas should come under the scrutiny of the House Ethics Committee, now officially investigating "Pagegate." The Northern Marianas became infamous in the scandals involving Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff because of the presence in the US slave labor territory of Asian children being used as prostitutes. Conveniently, Foley co-chaired the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, which would have had authority to investigate charges of child prostitution in the Northern Marianas. Our State Department sources report that it is no secret that a number of U.S. Foreign Service officers working out of the U.S. embassies in Bangkok, Phnom Penh, Hanoi, and Manila have been involved with underage nationals of the host countries where they are assigned. In fact, many have rotated their assignments between countries that look sideways at child prostitution and sex between adults and minors. In fact, John Mark Karr, as previously reported by WMR, was quickly whisked out of Bangkok after his arrest on pedophilia charges. The U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, working with the CIA and Department of Homeland Security, arranged for Karr's quick departure from Bangkok on a business class flight to the United States, where all charges, including those stemming from Karr's 'admission' that he killed JonBenet Ramsey and child porn charges, were later dropped. WMR has learned that Karr may have been aware of the identities of top U.S. officials in the child sex trade in Thailand and that he was sprung from Thai authorities to prevent him from testifying in a Thai courtroom. Hastert visited Vietnam, along with Palmer, in April of this year and spent three days in the country. Hastert, along with Illinois GOP Rep. Ray LaHood, canceled a visit to Thailand and Vietnam in January 2006. Hastert was also in Thailand in January 2002."
-Wayne Madsen (National Security Agency), www.WayneMadsenReport.com, October 9, 2006
JonBenet Ramsey: CIA's Electroshocked Mind-Controlled Sex Slave
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Hero, I do have a history with FBI, after successfully working with White House, US Justice Dept, FBI, local police and prosecutors to arrest and convict a homosexual drug-dealing CIA hitman pedophile rapist with a false passport, for kidnapping and murder:
www.piratenews.org/how-to-catch-a-govt-hitman.html
I also have a history of spanking the FBI, forcing its local office to remove a portrait of J. Edgar Hoover, the homosexual transvestite pervert who alleged "there's no such thing as the Italian Mafia", who assassinated Dr Martin Luther King Jr (according to front page banner headline in Knoxville News Sentinel during US House committee herings on JFK/MLK murders in 1978).
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/9718.php
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Hey Soupcatcher
"To kind of sum up, I'm happy that Hero actually cited something accurately." I don't know. I did post the definition portion of the US statute in full/ It didn't say anything about child 'in distress'. What it did say was to be child porn it must be graphic or lascivious. It defined 'graphic' as showing genitals or the pubic area, and left 'lascivious' undefined. I would have found a less self-aggrandizing and more profession posting helpful. As it was, the posting threw a lot of heat, but no light.
I suck at tennis too. I just blame my eyes.
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