John Kerry Belittles U.S. Troops?
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At a campaign rally yesterday, the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party in 2004 said this: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
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Originally posted by Skywalken:
At a campaign rally yesterday, the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party said this: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Here's the video:
You barely beat me to it. No question John F Kerry flat out ridiculed the entire US armed servies. Kerry unbelievably stated that the troops over in Iraq are uneducated slackers who couldn't amount to anything in life and joined the military as a last resort to make something of their lives.
Thanks Kerry, you just may have solidified the GOP control of both House and Senate for another 2 yrs. Bravo!!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy," Kerry said. "I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq."
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Originally posted by rue:
"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy," Kerry said. "I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq."
John Kerry is a coward and a liar. He said what he said, and he doesn't even have the balls to admit he's wrong. What a fucking pussy.
*edit* John, it's you who is the crazy one here. You said what you said, you own them an apology.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Does anyone have the complete transcript ? Or are we dealing with something taken out of context? (again)
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It's not the October surprise, it's an early Christmas gift..Thanks Kerry...
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I'll be the first (percieved) left-type to say it,
BOY WAS THAT A DUMB THING TO SAY.
Unless context proves different, it was almost worthy of Rush.
Open mouth- insert foot Chrisisall
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Now Kerry's probably going to write himself up for a Purple Heart (with valor) for putting his foot in his mouth.
Or maybe he will compare American servicemen and servicewomen to the army of Genghis Khan. Oh yeah, he already did that.
Hey John Kerry, Bin Laden called and he wants his talking points back.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'll be the first (percieved) left-type to say it,
BOY WAS THAT A DUMB THING TO SAY.
Unless context proves different, it was almost worthy of Rush.
Open mouth- insert foot Chrisisall
Context can't save Kerry from this. No where did he utter the words 'Bush' or 'The President' in regards to who his 'joke' was directed toward. Kerry was speaking to college students, and so when he's talking about " when YOU study hard and do your homework..." ,he's addressing the folks directly in front of him.
This is quite simply a window into what JF Kerry REALLY thinks of those who wear the uniforms in the US armed services. He called our soldiers 'monsters, rapist and murderes' back in 1971, and he's calling them uneducated losers today. The pure contempt for average Americans along with the elitist mindset this bastard has for the great unwashed , his own countrymen is plainly evident.
And this comment is light years beyond what anything Rush Limbaugh has said. Rush gets misquoted and lambasted by the liberal media, who loves to distort his words and meaning. Kerry not only said what he said, in context, and meant it, but has refused to apologize to the soldiers in Iraq, whom he unbelievably attacked and mocked.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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It’s wrong to assume that most people join the military because they are poor, lacking direction in life, or to get free college. In fact most of them do it to die for us. Kind of like Jesus, I say.
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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You're just taking his words out of context, if you haven't heard every word he's ever said you can't possibly understand what he means.
What, someone had to say it.
Rush, you pussy, you said what you said, time to appologiseheh heh heh...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Nice try conservatards. What he's saying is that if you're uneducated and not independently wealthy your options are severely limited, and you're much more likely to end up fighting a rich man's war.
WHICH IS FUCKING TRUE.
Military recruiters consistently target children who are poor and not college-bound because they are more likely to join up. That is not a secret. Joining the military should be through free choice, not economic or educational coersion, but that just isn't the reality of it.
Do you really want your freedom to spout ignorant right wing bullshit to be defended by people who simply don't have anything better lined up?
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A Democratic congressman has apparently told ABC News: "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=2619383
Anyway, Kerry's comments were of course the result of a Karl Rove stunt. Rove must have implanted a mind control device in Kerry's head to make him insult the troops and then have a hissy-fit after John McCain callout him out on it. Damn that Rove. 
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Originally posted by Skywalken:
At a campaign rally yesterday, the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party in 2004 said this: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Here's the video:
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First of all, I can tell nothing by that few second sound bite. I would like to hear the entire speech.
As for belittling the servicemen and women. It is a fact that the military is peopled in the majority by poor and/or minority men and women who often do not have the option for anything else. I think it tells a sad truth. Have money and/or opportunity - do well in America, don't and get blown up in Iraq.
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Rue:
I can't find the entire transcript either, but you can see the video at CNN.com, though not the entire speech (damn it!).
Kerry and his staff are saying it was a botched reference in a prepared speech that was supposed to be a veiled insult at Bush. He was appearantly supposed to say,"..."I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." It didn't come out that way, however.
Possibly a freudian slip? But then, since Bush made better grades than Kerry, perhaps he shouldn't be pointing fingers.
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And the funny thing is, Kerry is a highly educated person who joined the military. He should know better! He's an example!
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Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!! The Limbaugh defense. Thanks Citizen for pointing out the right-wing double standard. Always ready to crucify the left, always ready to forgive the right.
You're just taking his words out of context, if you haven't heard every word he's ever said you can't possibly understand what he means. What, someone had to say it.
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For those of you who are interested in learning more about the actual demographic makeup of the US Military, here is a link to a population report published by the Population Reference Bureau ( www.prb.org). The latest information is a few years old, but it's a pretty comprehensive report and interesting to look at.
http://www.prb.org/pdf04/59.4AmericanMilitary.pdf
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Originally posted by Razza:
For those of you who are interested in learning more about the actual demographic makeup of the US Military, here is a link to a population report published by the Population Reference Bureau ( www.prb.org). The latest information is a few years old, but it's a pretty comprehensive report and interesting to look at.
http://www.prb.org/pdf04/59.4AmericanMilitary.pdf
Well, that didn't take long. Page 9:
"Enlistment is also predicted by parents’
education (children of collegeeducated
parents are less likely to
serve), high school grades (those with
higher grades are less likely to serve),
college plans (college students are less
likely to enlist), race and ethnicity
(African Americans and Hispanics are
more likely to serve than whites), and
attractiveness of military work roles."
Wow, Kerry is such a pussy coward bastard! He actually said....something true.
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Originally posted by Eric:
Nice try conservatards. What he's saying is that if you're uneducated and not independently wealthy your options are severely limited, and you're much more likely to end up fighting a rich man's war.
WHICH IS FUCKING TRUE.
Military recruiters consistently target children who are poor and not college-bound because they are more likely to join up. That is not a secret. Joining the military should be through free choice, not economic or educational coersion, but that just isn't the reality of it.
Do you really want your freedom to spout ignorant right wing bullshit to be defended by people who simply don't have anything better lined up?
It's not true, and I know it, as I bet you know it too. Kerry said EXACTLY what he meant, and it's coming back to bite him. There is no draft today. There is no 'need' to join the military for those who don't wish to. We have a 100% volunteer military. A college education is by no means a ticket to a life of ease and leisure ( like John Kerry has ).
Per what Kerry actually said, it's clear who he was talking to ( college students ) and what his message was. Stay in school, study hard and get smart, or you'll be shipped to Iraq. He's so full of himself and thinks so highly of his own personal life experiece that he's convinced himself we're back in the 1960's and this is Viet Nam all over again.
It isn't. Kerry is delusional and a complete asshole.
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
This is just the beginning. It's going to get much worse. For Kerry.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!! The Limbaugh defense. Thanks Citizen for pointing out the right-wing double standard. Always ready to crucify the left, always ready to forgive the right.
You're just taking his words out of context, if you haven't heard every word he's ever said you can't possibly understand what he means. What, someone had to say it.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
But we HAVE heard every word Kerry said, and unlike Rush, who stood by his remarks, Kerry is trying the old "errr...uhh....what I MEANT to say is blah blah blah..and if you don't buy that, you must be crazy!! " excuse.
Ain't no one buying it, no how. So sorry, but no double standard here.
Kerry called our troops murders and rapists in Viet Nam back then, and calls them uneducated losers in Iraq today. Dontchya just FEEEEL the love Kerry has for the military ?
I love it!!! Kerry is going down in flames and he keeps tossing gasoline to quench the fire. Even his buddy Dems are running away from him now, least they get caught up in the firestorm!!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:I think that was my point.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
for Rush as well
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:I think that was my point.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
for Rush as well
But Rush never had to spin his words. The hate filled Left wing media and the Dems simply don't like Rush, and what he stands for, so they misquoted him on purpose.
Kerry's situation is completely different.
"I believe Sen. Kerry owes an apology to many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz
A Democratic congressman told ABC News Tuesday,[large] "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too." [/large]
Copyright © 2006 ABC News Internet Ventures
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Eric:
Well, that didn't take long. Page 9:
"Enlistment is also predicted by parents’
education (children of collegeeducated
parents are less likely to
serve), high school grades (those with
higher grades are less likely to serve),
college plans (college students are less
likely to enlist), race and ethnicity
(African Americans and Hispanics are
more likely to serve than whites), and
attractiveness of military work roles."
Wow, Kerry is such a pussy coward bastard! He actually said....something true.
Your welcome, I think. (ducking the bird sent my way for no appearant reason)
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not true, and I know it, as I bet you know it too. Kerry said EXACTLY what he meant, and it's coming back to bite him. There is no draft today. There is no 'need' to join the military for those who don't wish to. We have a 100% volunteer military. A college education is by no means a ticket to a life of ease and leisure ( like John Kerry has ).
Per what Kerry actually said, it's clear who he was talking to ( college students ) and what his message was. Stay in school, study hard and get smart, or you'll be shipped to Iraq. He's so full of himself and thinks so highly of his own personal life experiece that he's convinced himself we're back in the 1960's and this is Viet Nam all over again.
It isn't. Kerry is delusional and a complete asshole.
It's funny as hell to see the Dimwads try to spin this, but no one is buying it. John McCain has called for an apology from Kerry to the troops, as has President Bush.
This is just the beginning. It's going to get much worse. For Kerry.
Actually, I've read that during Vietnam, since there WAS a draft, there was more even representation of social, economic and I'm guessing educational classes than there is now. Unless your rich daddy could get you deferred or in the National Guard, which I believe didn't fight back then.
I know what he said, and I know what he meant to say. Either way, he's correct. Fewer educated and college-bound people join the military. I don't need a comprehensive demographic study (like the one above) to tell me that, all I have to do is remember back to high school. There weren't ANY JROTC kids in the advanced classes. None.
This has nothing to do with intelligence, of course. Intelligence and education are totally different things. In Bush's America, unfunded mandates, religiousized science, and slashed higher ed budgets all serve to restrict access to the unprivileged, and otherwise intelligent people have to make a choice between poverty and the military.
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Originally posted by Razza:
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Your welcome, I think. (ducking the bird sent my way for no appearant reason)
Nah, just the thread in general.
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You guys aren't going to get much traction out of this story. It's lame.
Sometimes the truth doesn't smell like roses. I want a politician who will not be so bloody careful with every word he says to the point of offending nobody and saying nothing. That was Kerry 2004 and it hurt him.
What did Kerry say that was incorrect? Accept a little bit of reality already.
The military is largely built of our poor. They just don't plain have many opportunities, and the military is one of the few honorable options, so they take it.
That doesn't make their sacrifice any less. That doesn't make them any less Americans. They are the ones who carry the biggest burden for this nation, and they get the least back for it.
Succatash
sure some of them joined up to defend their country, but instead, as Kerry said, they ended up getting stuck in Iraq. Something went really wrong there.
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@AURaptor
I saw the entire segment in question with Rush, I saw it for what it was. He was being a twat, to put it mildly. He then turns around and says "I was only describing things for my listeners".
Well standing there rolling your tongue into you bottom lip and making "nurrr nurrr" sounds could be said to be 'describing' someone who is mentally retarded too.
Kerry's two second sound bite can't be taken out of context and Rush's much longer video can? Please give me a break, you bought into one set of spin and not the other.
I don't buy into either, Rush was being an arsehole, accusing a terminally ill man of faking his illness, Kerry was being a moron, he might be telling the truth, but he made his statements like a retarded four year old.
Rush spun his words and actions, you bought into it because it came from the right (pun most defiantly intended) source. Personally I think Kerry is as well, you don't buy into it, I suspect, because that spin doesn't come from the 'right' source.
Please spare me, of course Kerry's situation is completely different, it's Kerry, and he's wrong, where as on the other hand it's Rush, and Rush is right.
This whole thing is so damn funny, and the funniest thing, the absolute icing on the cake is you don't even see it, you really don't get it man. You don't get that the exact same situation you were defending yesterday you're vilifying today, because it can't be the same situation, because, because, because Kerry that's why!
You just don't get it do you man. You just don't fucking get it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by Eric:
Actually, I've read that during Vietnam, since there WAS a draft, there was more even representation of social, economic and I'm guessing educational classes than there is now. Unless your rich daddy could get you deferred or in the National Guard, which I believe didn't fight back then.
Take a look at page 19 of the report, it speaks to the racial disparity during the war. Doesn't really support your assumption, though this is only one source certainly.
"During the Vietnam War, the Kennedy administration departed from past practice and used the draft rather than the overwhelmingly white reserve components to mobilize American forces for Southeast Asia. When Kennedy assumed office, blacks were underrepresented in the military, but the Selective Service System
disproportionately drafted the poor during the early years of the Vietnam War, and black men were overrepresented among the poor. In the early
months of the Vietnam War, blacks accounted for about 20 percent of combat deaths in Vietnam, although they were only 11 percent of the military-age population. The high death toll for black soldiers led to claims of racial injustice—that blacks were fighting and dying to further the interests of white men, while still treated unfairly at home. Some critics saw further injustice in the fact that U.S. blacks were fighting and killing other nonwhites—the Vietnamese. To avoid the appearance of racial discrimination, the Pentagon reduced the assignment of blacks to combat jobs, and combat deaths for blacks fell to about 12 percent, closer to their share of the total U.S. population."
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Veteran groups have now called upon Kerry to apologize:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/153-10312006.html
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/204-10312006.html
...and a Boston woman named Debra Booth, whose son was killed in Iraq has urged Kerry to learn more about the men and women of today's military.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/10204420/detail.html
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Whoot!!! Whoot!!! A lib telling what he Really thinks of THE greatest military on earth... They are composed of POOR/uneducated people.....Yeah Okay...That fucking millionaire kennedy wantto be ..Sell his Awards for shit...
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Originally posted by Razza:Quote:
Take a look at page 19 of the report, it speaks to the racial disparity during the war. Doesn't really support your assumption, though this is only one source certainly.
"During the Vietnam War, the Kennedy administration departed from past practice and used the draft rather than the overwhelmingly white reserve components to mobilize American forces for Southeast Asia. When Kennedy assumed office, blacks were underrepresented in the military, but the Selective Service System
disproportionately drafted the poor during the early years of the Vietnam War, and black men were overrepresented among the poor. In the early
months of the Vietnam War, blacks accounted for about 20 percent of combat deaths in Vietnam, although they were only 11 percent of the military-age population. The high death toll for black soldiers led to claims of racial injustice—that blacks were fighting and dying to further the interests of white men, while still treated unfairly at home. Some critics saw further injustice in the fact that U.S. blacks were fighting and killing other nonwhites—the Vietnamese. To avoid the appearance of racial discrimination, the Pentagon reduced the assignment of blacks to combat jobs, and combat deaths for blacks fell to about 12 percent, closer to their share of the total U.S. population."
Okay, but in the later war years, was this still the case? In any case, I'll stipulate to the point since I don't remember where I heard it.
Anyways, I doubt this will change many votes. It's an interpretation of what was said by someone who is not up for reelection, and someone who is by now famous for saying the right thing in the wrong way.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
It's not the October surprise, it's an early Christmas gift..Thanks Kerry...
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I heard what he said and my immediate thought was, "yep, our moron of a president and all of his idiot minions haven't learned a thing and we're going to stay bogged down in the meat grinder waste of life that is Bush's war for oil."
I don't believe for one moment that an actual war hero like John Kerry would badmouth troops. However, all of the service dodging assholes in Shrub's administration, they have no respect for anyone who doesn't have oil millions.
Sad that this badly worded statement was made before an election. It's only going to serve to steer debate away from where it should be ... what the hell has the republican controlled legislative branch given the American people besides
*more unemployed former-middle class families who no longer have health care or a retirement plan and
*more dead military members?
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I skimmed through it looking for some data on the socioeconomic status of volunteers. While the document makes of point of saying you have to be a high school graduate, it's coy about providing any figures at all, like, for example, household income and employment status.
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What it does say is vague:
"A recent analysis of survey data on 100,000 high school seniors from the classes of 1984 to 1991 showed that parents’ level of education — a measure of socioeconomic status — was negatively related to joining the armed forces within two years of high school graduation. Again, however, the data suggest that the military does not draw from the very lowest social strata ...
With the end of military conscription in 1973, the armed forces have become the nation’s largest employer ..."
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And for the real information, you have to research your own. From the CIA world factbook you find that blacks make up almost exactly 13% of the US population; from a chart in the document they make up 27% of the army.
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Originally posted by Razza:
For those of you who are interested in learning more about the actual demographic makeup of the US Military, here is a link to a population report published by the Population Reference Bureau ( www.prb.org).
http://www.prb.org/pdf04/59.4AmericanMilitary.pdf
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Originally posted by rue:
I skimmed through it looking for some data on the socioeconomic status of volunteers. While the document makes of point of saying you have to be a high school graduate, it's coy about providing any figures at all, like, for example, household income and employment status.
Yeah, I was disappointed in the lack of specifics, but I suspect it would be difficult to compile such information accurately. At any rate, I think it's pretty obvious for anyone with half a brain the those in the lowest rungs of our economic ladder make up a disproportionate percentage of our armed forces. I'm not convinced economic status is a reflection of their intellect, however. I've met plenty of dimwitted rich people in my day.
One other point I'd like to make concerns the theme of "Rich man's war and poor man's fight". I think this probably accurately describes every military action our country has ever participated in and is not by itself condemnation of the necessity for waging them.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
John Kerry is a coward and a liar. He said what he said, and he doesn't even have the balls to admit he's wrong. What a fucking pussy.
Elegantly stated as usual.
Although I guess you need to vent a little after the beating you took on the MJ Fox thread.
Well, as one of the token liberals, I'm sure you're ready for me to defend Kerry. Get set for disappointment AURaptor, because I'm not going to. I've only seen a ten second clip on CNN, but it was one of the most foolish things a politician has said since...oh, I don't know...Bush last spoke.
What really fascinates me, however, is your complete inability to recognize that you are now doing the very thing you were accusing so many others of doing on the MJ Fox thread. Rush tried to spin his way out of the MJ Fox comments, and Kerry is going to try and spin his way out of his remarks. While you were more than willing to accept Rush's spin, you're attacking Kerry for trying the same thing. Here's where we differ: I won't defend a politician or a political pundit who makes asinine statements, and then attempts to spin his way out of it.
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And now, time for a little levity:
KERRY: HOW DO YOU ASK ME TO ‘DIE’ FOR MY LAST MISTAKE?
John Kerry, who was mercilessly “Swift-Boated” in the 2004 Presidential election, apparently committed the equivalent of Swift-Boat hari-kari today by a clumsy and inartful comment about the Idiot-in-Chief.
Although Kerry’s clear intent was to blame Bush’s lack of education for the mess in Iraq, the Republican smear machine immediately twisted this into a slur on the troops, showing the type of creativity and responsiveness that was noticeably absent by the Administration during Katrina and Iraq.
The GOP was so elated at this election-eve development that they dropped their planned “November Surprise” — code-named “Osama, Call Me” — a plot to elicit another bin Laden videotape.
But Kerry’s remark — “If you make an effort to be smart, you can do well; if you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq” — received widespread support from some unexpected quarters.
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki came to Kerry’s defense, stating that “maybe if I had studied a bit more in school and gotten a job with a Western think tank, I wouldn’t be stuck these days in living hell, between these freakin’ crazy Shia and Sunnis.”
Bush, in full campaign mode, called Kerry’s statement “shameful,” asserting that “education has nothing to do with whether you serve your country in time of war — everybody knows it really depends on who your Daddy is.”
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But Rush never had to spin his words.
Whatever.
As for Kerry, no one is posting this, which surprises me.
Hey, guys, this is the shiny distraction thingy. This is *not* the news story of the day.
News flash: This isn't news.
Kerry is a moron. What else is new. If Kerry says something dumb, that's not news either. If it was the top headline everytime John Kerry said something dumb, there would be no room for anything else.
Here's the real news story of the day:
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1061375
Sure, this is the part of me that I inherited from pirate news, but I'm serious. Some msm zombies kick around and say "what can we cover this very bad news with. what happened today? oh, we have kerry saying something dumb, ie. what else is new? "
and sure, to be fair and balanced, i'm sure bush saying something dumb just as common, but we covered this in a thread a long time ago about how they were both straight c students in college.
but kerry's brain dead soldier slander isn't news. kerry isn't even a contender anymore. he's a random non-influential senator. remember msm saying after he lost in '04 "oh kerry will become an inspirational leader in the senate now" no he's not. he'll be the same dolt he was for the last 20 years. a dumb senator's rant is hardly worth covering.
what else are they going to cover, ted kennedy's slip where he referred to barrack obama as osama bin laden, or howard dean's hide the salami remark? And sure, I know you democrats out there have some choice dumb things republicans said... but my real point here is ... smoke screen, sound familiar?
major news story was knocked off the top spot unmanned robot slaughters kids, destroys school. Pretty major news. Never happened before. 83 people. makes that robot the world's deadliest serial spree killer. forget columbine, show us you armed predator drones. remember when jay rockafeller was pushing for arming the predator drone? well happy day, look what the cat dragged in.
reading this thread, and no offense, but for a bunch of renegades, it looks like the MSM says jump and y'all say how high?
focus, people.
real world events. robot slaughters school is a real world event. wind bag blows wind is not a real world event. It's hollow words of a moron with no power. it's fluff.
john who? I mean, he probably gets together with al gore, bob dole and michael dukakis and they talk about how much better it would be *if*, but who cares?
focus. real world events. this is not real world event. it was put on the front page to distract you.
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Dems are in duck, cover and roll mode. Will be interesting if this story has legs or not and how much it can be milked for.
Headline: Kerry fumbles on 1 yard line, dems huddle for field goal.
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Elegantly stated as usual. Although I guess you need to vent a little after the beating you took on the MJ Fox thread.
Well, as one of the token liberals, I'm sure you're ready for me to defend Kerry. Get set for disappointment AURaptor, because I'm not going to. I've only seen a ten second clip on CNN, but it was one of the most foolish things a politician has said since...oh, I don't know...Bush last spoke.
What really fascinates me, however, is your complete inability to recognize that you are now doing the very thing you were accusing so many others of doing on the MJ Fox thread. Rush tried to spin his way out of the MJ Fox comments, and Kerry is going to try and spin his way out of his remarks. While you were more than willing to accept Rush's spin, you're attacking Kerry for trying the same thing. Here's where we differ: I won't defend a politician or a political pundit who makes asinine statements, and then attempts to spin his way out of it.
I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread. But keep thinking that, if it helps ya sleep better at night.
What amazes me is the need for some folks to try to equate everything as being exactly equal. Kerry's comments = Rush's comments. Sorry, but the 2 are light years apart. Different topics, different comments, differences in accountability. Rush tried and tried to explain his position, and all the media was interested in was falsly reporting that Rush 'attacked' MJ Fox and made fun of him. Utter nonsense. Kerry makes the assinine statement that is being UNIVERSALLY condemned by the Left and Right, and he refuses to not only apologize, but to even CLARIFY his comments. Kerry doesn't even have the decency to say he's sorry! Rush apologized to those who mistook what he said, and the Left refused to accept the apology! Talk about double standards!
I'm not attacking Kerry for anything other than what he ACTUALLY said. That's all. To bring in any other irrelevent topic and ignore what Kerry said is to simply ignore the initial topic.
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Kerry was OBVIOUSLY referring to Bush when he made those remarks. Here's the snippet from the AP story:
It came during a campaign rally for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides. Kerry opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several one-liners, saying at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now "lives in a state of denial."
He then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Find it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061101/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_kerry
The "He then said" indicates that Kerry was following up his poking fun at Bush (state of denial anyone?) with a shot at Bush's intelligence. Bush didn't do his homework, he didn't study hard, and now he's stuck in Iraq.
Then again, I'm not surprised that Bush and his crew are having trouble understanding this... I mean, they screwed up that whole "WMD in Iraq" thing... so why should they be expected to read more than two sentences in context, right?
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Ace of Spades quote:
I knew someone, like Bill Maher, would say "Hey, it's true" (right before denying that John Kerry intended to speak the truth).
I should have figured Chris Matthews too. He's been on this Army of Losers thing for a while.
Smart, college-educated chappies like him dodged the draft by joining the Peace Corps.
I just find it pretty ballsy that liberals are going to try the two-track strategy of 1) Kerry would never have said something so heinously awful and 2) what John Kerry said was 100% spot-on accurate.
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MalBadLatin...
it is weird. I'm still not sure what to think of the issue and that's part of the problem.
On first read, I believed what Kerry said was true. I thought he used specific words that sounded off the cusp and cruder than they should have been, but that his message was that there was disproportionate weight we shift to our soldiers for little reward, and how their lives are at stake for our governments missteps.
I still want that to be what he said, but since his handlers and he himself have distanced him from this criticism of the American Status quo, I cannot wholly defend Kerry on this point.
There remains 3 options that I consider...
1 - He thought his wording was bad enough that he waffled and changed the meaning of his statement...smart politics but cowardice and pretty much more of the same democratic party over the last 6 years. Kerry has been braver lately though, after his 2004 loss, and I don't think that backpedaling will be in his political arsenal any more.
2 - He really did accidetly drop the word and meant this as a veiled political joke at Bush's expense, in which case I think the word choices weren't strong enough for me to catch that they were stilted towards such a joke. I didn't think they were particularly disparaging. This option is somewhat disapointing, because I'd like to hear a politician actually talk about stuff nobody is talking about. Instead it was just a political jibe...warranted, but completely within the main-stream.
3 - This was a calculated misstep...intentionally placed to cause a media response, with a built-in out for Kerry, giving him a mouthpiece and spotlight to look and sound tough by not backing down, and also giving him an opportunity to very publically bash Bush's failures in Iraq. This option sounds kind of sly, but I don't really buy it.
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The most important thing is that this incident proves, beyond any doubt, that Bush has actually been a great leader for the last two years. Wow, who'd a thunk it?
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Quote:Well yeah, Kerry was being dumb, and Limbo was being malicious.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What amazes me is the need for some folks to try to equate everything as being exactly equal. Kerry's comments = Rush's comments. Sorry, but the 2 are light years apart.
You're right; they are different.
We agree, how weird is that?
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I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, always ready with the funny you are!
Who's laughing now Chrisisall
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But we HAVE heard every word Kerry said, and unlike Rush, who stood by his remarks...
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Rush apologized to those who mistook what he said...
Well, which one is it, chief? Because it can't be both.
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Well, which one is it, chief? Because it can't be both.
Why not? Rush stood by his remarks, but apologized for those who mistook what he said.
Kerry launched an attack. Why? Because he's haunted by the failure to make a timely reply to the Swift-boat Vets in '06. His lesson now, a timely reply does not require an attack. I think an apology to the troops followed by an attack on the policy would have been more effective.
Instead he tried to run from both what he said and from his own role in the policy he is against. He can't escape both, which is why he really lost in 2004 and now in 2008 as well.
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I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread. But keep thinking that, if it helps ya sleep better at night.
You took no "beating" because as soon as your parroted talking points were shot down, you took your usual cowards-way-out, and dissapeared from the thread.
Classic AURaptor SOP.
You took no beating 'cause you ran.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Why not? Rush stood by his remarks, but apologized for those who mistook what he said.
Did people "mistake" Rush's on-camera twitching mockery of Fox?
And Rush's appology was left-handed and hollow, at best.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Nice try conservatards. What he's saying is that if you're uneducated and not independently wealthy your options are severely limited, and you're much more likely to end up fighting a rich man's war.
If that is what he was trying to say then he should have said that. AH but alas he did not say that.
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Originally posted by Eric:
Nice try conservatards. What he's saying is that if you're uneducated and not independently wealthy your options are severely limited, and you're much more likely to end up fighting a rich man's war.
If that is what he was trying to say then he should have said that. AH but alas he did not say that.
Now, come on, expecting Kerry to say anything simply is just unreasonable.
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Thanks for the link, dreamtrove. First I'd heard of that. If the predator had killed who they set out to, I'm sure we would've seen wall-to-wall media coverage.
While I'm here I might as well throw my two cents around (based on a what I've seen and read). I'll do it a la Rumsfeld.
Did John Kerry make a bonehead statement? Sure.
Did he say what he meant to say? No.
Has he apologized? Yes.
Seems pretty simple to me. I have found the side discussion about the demographic make-up of our armed forces informative. And I do find it funny that many strong Bush partisans we haven't seen in a while came out of the woodwork for this thread. No wonder the Republican party has no trouble winning elections if this is all it takes to fire up your base.
When they write up the 2006 elections, one of the weakest showings will be Angelides running for governor. How crappy a candidate do you have to be to be so far behind in a solidly blue state against a Republican governor? And then, on top of all that, John Kerry makes a gaffe in a speech supporting you. Talk about unlucky.
And it's nice to see PCC in the news. I took classes there during the summers of my undergraduate career when I was back home. Although, at the time, it felt like high school with ashtrays.
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Originally posted by Eric:
Nice try conservatards. What he's saying is that if you're uneducated and not independently wealthy your options are severely limited, and you're much more likely to end up fighting a rich man's war.
If that is what he was trying to say then he should have said that. AH but alas he did not say that.
~~River: Bible's broken.~~
And Bush said he was constantly looking for ways to harm Americans.
The "Let's take things literally" game can be played both ways.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Some people have noted that political aids usually distribute the transcript of a speech before the actual address - or immediately afterwards. This helps the reporters so they aren't forced to take shorthand of the speech - they can focus more closely on supporter/opposition reactions to the speech - thus dispatching copy to the editors desk in a timely fashion.
There is some buzz that the Kerry transcript was released the next day and the text of the speech may have been sanitized.
Who knows.
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The "Let's take things literally" game can be played both ways.
I agree but I am not trying to change what Kerry said I just take it as is. Truth is I would been easier on Kerry if instead of standing on his soap box he just said he was sorry for any misunderstanding and for any feeling he may have hurt. Instead he blamed everyone else. Way to step up!
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that his message was that there was disproportionate weight we shift to our soldiers for little reward, and how their lives are at stake for our governments missteps.Quote:
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Well thats a true statement, foot soldiers bear the burden of all wars. 3000 men drown during a training exercise for the D day invasion of Normandy. General Patton warned Eisenhower and Bradley about the weakness along the military lines near the Ardennes - they ignored him and look at the result - 81,000 American casualties, including 23,554 captured and 19,000 killed. American foot soldiers got slaughtered or literally froze to death from lack of winter woollen clothing - which the quartermaster had in storehouses in Washington DC.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread. But keep thinking that, if it helps ya sleep better at night.
You took no "beating" because as soon as your parroted talking points were shot down, you took your usual cowards-way-out, and dissapeared from the thread.
Classic AURaptor SOP.
You took no beating 'cause you ran.
Ran ? How many damn times must I explain the same damn thing over and over again before brick head Dims can finally understand a simple point? I guess the number is more than 3 or 4, huh? I can only destroy someone's arguemnt so many times before the thrill is gone. My points were my own, so who else did you see/ hear 'parroting' them?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Well yeah, Kerry was being dumb, and Limbo was being malicious.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What amazes me is the need for some folks to try to equate everything as being exactly equal. Kerry's comments = Rush's comments. Sorry, but the 2 are light years apart.
You're right; they are different.
We agree, how weird is that?
No, Kerry was being malicious and dumb while Limbaugh was just spot on right.
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I took no 'beating' on the MJ Fox thread.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, always ready with the funny you are!
Who's laughing now Chrisisall
Anything to add some joy in a fellow Browncoats life.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ran ?
Well, I think it was more like you crawled away like an itty bitty bug.
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How many damn times must I explain the same damn thing over and over again before brick head Dims can finally understand a simple point?
When your points are that nonsensically constructed, then it's going to take a few times.
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I can only destroy someone's arguemnt so many times before the thrill is gone.
You really need to see a professional about these grand delusions you're having. It's unhealthy.
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My points were my own,
Indeed they were, because they sure as hell didn't make sense to anyone else.
It never got weird enough for me.
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Originally posted by Hero:
Why not? Rush stood by his remarks, but apologized for those who mistook what he said.
Okay, let's get the easy part outta' the way:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apology
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apology: a written or spoken expression of one's regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another.
Now, let's examine what Limbaugh has actually said:
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"Okay, I need to apologize, I was wrong because I speculated either he didn't take his medication or he was acting"
THEN:
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"I stand by what I said. I take back none of what I said. I wouldn’t rephrase it any differently. It is what I believe; it is what I think. It is what I have found to be true."
Your an educated guy, Hero. Can you really not see the contradiction in these statements? You can't have it both ways. Either he was wrong and is sorry or he stands by statement. Now, on to Kerry.
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Kerry launched an attack. Why? Because he's haunted by the failure to make a timely reply to the Swift-boat Vets in '06. His lesson now, a timely reply does not require an attack. I think an apology to the troops followed by an attack on the policy would have been more effective.
Instead he tried to run from both what he said and from his own role in the policy he is against. He can't escape both, which is why he really lost in 2004 and now in 2008 as well.
First, Kerry comment was one in a series of half a dozen where he was calling the President an idiot. In context, this is very clear and although both Limbaugh and AU claim Kerry was calling the military "losers", that word is found nowhere in the speech. So, both are making shit up, which is par for the course.
But, let's assume for a moment that yours and AU's (Limbaugh's) interpretation of Kerry's comments are correct. So what? Are the enlisted ranks of the US military largely populated with college graduates? The answer is unequivocally no. It is amusing, to me, that you Republicans are so against being PC, unless you are discussing the military. What is so wrong with calling a spade a spade?
What is even more amusing is how often I have heard friends of mine (both Republicans and Democrats) use a similar agrument to motivate their own children to study. And while I don't have kids, I would most certainly do the same.
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Powerline:
Democratic candidates are fleeing John Kerry like the plague. His appearances in Minnesota and Pennsylavania have been canceled. Tennessee's Harold Ford has called on Kerry to apologize. In Montana, Democratic Senate candidate Jon Tester says:
"Senator Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid. He owes out troops and their families an apology."
Seems the nuance of the speech went over the heads of a few democrats too.
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Originally posted by citizen:
You're just taking his words out of context, if you haven't heard every word he's ever said you can't possibly understand what he means.
What, someone had to say it.
Rush, you pussy, you said what you said, time to appologiseheh heh heh...
If we're going to apply this standard, we may have to renounce an awful lot of the Bush bashing that's gone on around here...
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*Edit* Hey, SergeantX. I should apologize in advance for the rant. 
At first, I thought you were applying some AURpator/Hero logic, and I went off.
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The most important thing is that this incident proves, beyond any doubt, that Bush has actually been a great leader for the last two years. Wow, who'd a thunk it?
How does Kerry making a foolish remark prove, beyond a doubt, that Bush is a great leader?
Let's just take a look at some of your glorious leader's accomplishments:
Emergency (mis)Management: They completely failed to manage the first large-scale emergency since 9/11. Despite all their big talk and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on homeland security over the past four years, this administration proved itself stunningly incompetent when faced with an actual emergency. (Katrina Relief Funds Squandered)
Fiscal (mis)Management: America is broke. No wait, we're worse than broke. In less than five years these borrow and spend-thrifts have nearly doubled our national debt, to a stunning $8.2 trillion. These are not your father's Republicans who treated public dollars as though they were an endangered species. These Republicans waste money in ways and in quantities that make those old tax and spend liberals would never dream of doing.
Katrina relief (or the lack thereof): Eleven thousand spanking new mobile homes sinking into the Arkansas mud. Seems no one in the administration knew there were federal and state laws prohibiting trailers in flood zones. Oops. That little mistake cost you $850 million -- and counting.
Medicare Drug Program: This $50 billion white elephant debuted by trampling many of those it was supposed to save. The mess forced states to step in and try to save its own citizens from being killed by the administration's poorly planned and executed attempt to privatize huge hunks of the federal health safety net.
Afghanistan: Good managers know that in order to pocket the gains of a project, you have to finish it. This administration started out fine in Afghanistan. They had the Taliban and al Queda on the run and Osama bin Laden trapped in a box canyon. Then they were distracted by a nearby shiney object -- Iraq. We are now $75 billion out of pocket in Afghanistan and its sitting president still rules only within the confines of the nation's capital. Tribal warlords, the growing remnants of the Taliban and al Qaeda call the shots in the rest of the county.
Iraq: This ill-begotten war was supposed to only cost us $65 billion. It has now cost us over $300 billion and continues to suck $6 billion a month out of our futures. Meanwhile the three warring tribes Bush "liberated" are using our money and soldiers' lives to partition the country. The Shiites and Kurds are carving out the prime cuts while treating the once-dominant Sunnis the same way the Israelis treat the Palestinians, forcing them onto Iraq's version of Death Valley. Meanwhile Iran is increasingly calling the shots in the Shiite region as mullahs loyal to Iran take charge.
Iran: The administration not only jinxed its Afghanistan operations by attacking Iraq, but also provided Iran both the rationale for and time to move toward nuclear weapons. The Bush administration's neocons' threats to attack Syria next only provided more support for religious conservatives within Iran who argued U.S. intentions in the Middle East were clear, and that only the deterrent that comes with nuclear weapons could protect them.
North Korea: Also add to all the above the example North Korea set for Iran. Clearly once a country possesses nukes, the U.S. drops the veiled threats and wants to talk.
Social Programs: It's easier to get affordable -- even free -- American-style medical care, paid for with American dollars, if you are an illegal immigrant or the victim of a Pakistani earthquake, than if you live and pay taxes in the good old U.S.A. Nearly 50 million Americans c
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First, Kerry comment was one in a series of half a dozen where he was calling the President an idiot. In context, this is very clear and although both Limbaugh and AU claim Kerry was calling the military "losers", that word is found nowhere in the speech. So, both are making shit up, which is par for the course.
FT, please, stop exaggerating. I didn't quote Kerry with him saying those in the military were 'losers', but it was clearly implied. There's no 'making shit up' here, it's just my conclusion based on Kerry's OWN WORDS. THAT is par for the course. I didn't make anything up.
And btw, it isn't just evil Republicans are saying about Kerry. Here's what some key Democrats are saying.....
* "He has already cost us one election. The guy just needs to keep his mouth shut until after the election," a top Democratic strategist said Tuesday.
* Added Senate candidate Harold Ford Jr. of Tennessee, "Whatever the intent, Sen. Kerry was wrong to say what he said. He needs to apologize to our troops."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/11/01/kerry
s_stuck_in_iraq_remark_ignites_firefight_with_bush_gop/
" What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate” - Hillary Clinton
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Quote:Don't be silly. We have to have double standards you see, defend the guy, for arguments sake, you listen to everyday on the radio, and attack the guy on the otherside.
Originally posted by Causal:
If we're going to apply this standard, we may have to renounce an awful lot of the Bush bashing that's gone on around here...
Come on, what's the point in looking at a situation based on merit rather than political association? If we decide things based on political association we don't have to think for ourselves, which hurts and is no fun at all.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Ah, I see you caught the tongue in SergeantX's cheek.
Making this response superfluous.
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Ah, I see you caught the tongue in SergeantX's cheek.
Making this response superfluous.
Yeah, but just a little late. I guess I heard one too many Republican pundits making that same ridiculous argument on the news. Oh well, my post will give AURaptor and Hero something to stew over.
It never got weird enough for me.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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A reminder. This is what Kerry SAID:
"Education -- if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Kerry is addrssing a group of college students, telling them that if they don't do well in school ( make the most of education and study hard ), you get stuck in Iraq. Giving Kerry the benefit of a doubt, that he's referring to President Bush, then it should also be remembered.
1968 - He earns a B.A. in History from Yale Universty
1968 - He joins the Texas Air National Guard, where he pilots the F102.
1974 - He enters Harvard Business School, where he earns a MBA. ( Bush is the only US President to serve while holding a Masters of Business Adminisration )
Bush wans't tops of his class, and everyone knows that. He was an average student, as was John Kerry . But Bush's IQ tests from his military career and his grades puts him on par with or higher than John F Kerry.
John Kerry can claim he was talking about Bush, but Bush is, by every objective standard, smarter than Kerry in regards to formal education, so it's a lame ass attempt at a joke. Even if you buy his ridiculous excuse.
Seems even the Democrats are running from Kerry and his statements. He's being told to apologize and has had campaign rally after campaign rally tell him ' no thanks' and cancel his appearance.
Stoopid troops in Irak send Carry a messig:
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Citizen,
"If we decide things based on political association we don't have to think for ourselves, which hurts and is no fun at all."
I'm still giggling over this. THANKS! That was a wonderful jolt of humour in an otherwise busy, but at the same time strangely boring, day.
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Why is no one reacting to George Bush calling our soldiers cowards?
A direct quote from his speech yesterday:
"It's hard to plan and plot attacks against America if you're on the run, and that's exactly what our brave professionals are doing."
OUR BRAVE PROFESSIONALS ARE ON THE RUN?!
Doesn't sound very presidential to me.
Link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061031-11.html#
You'll find it about halfway down... a little more than that.
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"Enter Steve Schmidt, Matt Dowd and several other veterans of the Bush-Cheney reelection race. Focused on winning each news cycle, that campaign team rebuilt Schwarzenegger's image day by day."
Now this is an interesting tactic. Kerry should take a lesson. It's not enough to apologize, no matter how sincerely meant or well spoken. B/c that's the last thing people will remember. "At the end of the day" - literally - you have to do something else. And if you have nothing postive then go negative - lie, attack, whatever it takes. THAT'S what you want to be remembered for.
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"It's hard to plan and plot attacks against America if you're on the run, and that's exactly what our brave professionals are doing."
He means they have the enemy on the run. He's just doing it in Bush speak. You must know what he is saying.
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Quote:If my daddy was rich, I coulda bought those too, what's your point?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
1968 - He earns a B.A. in History from Yale Universty
1974 - He enters Harvard Business School, where he earns a MBA.
Enquiring Chrisisall
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate” - Hillary Clinton
Tuwhubbawho?
AURaptor, you're actually citing Hillary Clinton approvingly?
Somewhere, a Republican angel just lost its wings.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Don't be silly. We have to have double standards you see, defend the guy, for arguments sake, you listen to everyday on the radio, and attack the guy on the otherside.
Come on, what's the point in looking at a situation based on merit rather than political association? If we decide things based on political association we don't have to think for ourselves, which hurts and is no fun at all.
Hah!
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Grand High Poobah of the Mythical Land of Iowa, and Keeper of State Secrets
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Quote:Funniest line ALL YEAR!!!!
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Somewhere, a Republican angel just lost its wings.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHChrisisall
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Originally posted by kaneman:
"It's hard to plan and plot attacks against America if you're on the run, and that's exactly what our brave professionals are doing."
He means they have the enemy on the run. He's just doing it in Bush speak. You must know what he is saying.
Oh yes I do know what Bush is saying. I'm taking him word for word from what his statement said, and he's calling the troops cowards. Bush is clearly saying here that our brave professionals are on the run.
I wonder how the troops in Iraq would feel knowing THAT? The Commander-in-Chief that sent them over there thinks that they're on the run... WOW! That's respect for ya!
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Quote:Wait- how can he say that? That's ridiculous, the reports I hear have some of our troops getting picked off here and there individually, but they're by no means 'on the run' from anybody!
Originally posted by Charles:
"It's hard to plan and plot attacks against America if you're on the run, and that's exactly what our brave professionals are doing."
Oh yes I do know what Bush is saying. I'm taking him word for word from what his statement said, and he's calling the troops cowards. Bush is clearly saying here that our brave professionals are on the run.
Is Bush intentionally trying to make America feel bad (or worse) for our troops to gain some sort of political support?
What a cad!
Disgusted Chrisisall
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originally posted by auraptor:
LOL
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Soup
AURaptor, you're actually citing Hillary Clinton approvingly?
lol. Soup: auraptor doesn't work for the GOP, he works for the evil thing. The evil thing supports hillary. or is hillary. I'm not sure which.
Anyway, bush-is-clinton includes hillary, so this logically follows:
Hillary '08
Re-re-elect George W. Bush
No votes necessary, void where prohibited
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An exchange I had with a friend of mine (who has an MBA) went like this:
Chris: Bush is a moron
Me: He has an MBA, there must be something there
Chris: A trained monkey could get an MBA
Me: Sure, it's not that difficult a degree, but he can't be a total numbskull.
Chris: I'm being literal, not metaphorical. An actual trained monkey could get an actual MBA
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!
*choke*Chrisisall(not with the MBA)
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!
*choke*Chrisisall(not with the MBA)
The one with the evil double-post.
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:If my daddy was rich, I coulda bought those too, what's your point?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
1968 - He earns a B.A. in History from Yale Universty
1974 - He enters Harvard Business School, where he earns a MBA.
Enquiring Chrisisall
So, let me get this straight. You're saying that bothHarvard and Yale, two of the oldest, most expensive, and elite universities in the USA are so strapped for cash that they'd blindly admit the son of a wealthy politician, and then allow him to exit their campi with diplomas ? Even an elite MBA program ?
So, I guess anyone who attends those schools is guaranteed a diploma , as long as their daddy pays for it all.
Sorta exactly the same as John Kerry, huh?
Hmmm...
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:The schools are not 'strapped for cash', they do, however, remain highly respectful of those who make donations and/or are friends of the institutions of higher learning, especially from positions of influence.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, let me get this straight. You're saying that bothHarvard and Yale, two of the oldest, most expensive, and elite universities in the USA are so strapped for cash that they'd blindly admit the son of a wealthy politician, and then allow him to exit their campi with diplomas ? Even an elite MBA program ?
Like you don't know this Chrisisall
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I didn't approvingly or disapprovingly offer up Hillary Clinton's quote. It was merely a statement of fact.
Seems some are so caught off guard by what she said, they're confused by the relevence of her comment. A high ranking Left wing Senator has called Kerry on his own words. Not Rush Limbaugh, not Neal Boortz, not Sean Hannity, but Hillary Clinton.
Vast Right-wing Raptor
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:The schools are not 'strapped for cash', they do, however, remain highly respectful of those who make donations and/or are friends of the institutions of higher learning, especially from positions of influence.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, let me get this straight. You're saying that bothHarvard and Yale, two of the oldest, most expensive, and elite universities in the USA are so strapped for cash that they'd blindly admit the son of a wealthy politician, and then allow him to exit their campi with diplomas ? Even an elite MBA program ?
Like you don't know this Chrisisall
So, is it only sons of GOP politicians, and never the case with Democrats ? Wouldn't JFKerry be the recipient of the same treatment as GW Bush ? If so, then Kerry's attempted jab at W's intelligence seems to encompass himself into the same catagory as W.
So, where's the joke again?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Just last week, the Heritage Foundation reported the following...
The current findings show that the demographic characteristics of volunteers have continued to show signs of higher, not lower, quality. Quality is a difficult concept to apply to soldiers, or to human beings in any context, and it should be understood here in context. Regardless of the standards used to screen applicants, the average quality of the people accepted into any organization can be assessed only by using measurable criteria, which surely fail to account for intangible characteristics. In the military, it is especially questionable to claim that measurable characteristics accurately reflect what really matters: courage, honor, integrity, loyalty, and leadership.
Those who have been so quick to suggest that today’s wartime recruits represent lesser quality, lower standards, or lower class should be expected make an airtight case. Instead, they have cited selective evidence, which is balanced by a much clearer set of evidence showing improving troop quality.
Indeed, in many criteria, each year shows advancement, not decline, in measurable qualities of new enlistees. For example, it is commonly claimed that the military relies on recruits from poorer neighborhoods because the wealthy will not risk death in war. This claim has been advanced without any rigorous evidence. Our review of Pentagon enlistee data shows that the only group that is lowering its participation in the military is the poor. The percentage of recruits from the poorest American neighborhoods (with one-fifth of the U.S. population) declined from 18 percent in 1999 to 14.6 percent in 2003, 14.1 percent in 2004, and 13.7 percent in 2005.
This report updates the previous Heritage Foundation report, with data on all U.S. recruits during 2004 and 2005. We introduce the term “wartime recruits” to identify volunteer enlistees in all branches during 2003, 2004, and 2005. Like the previous report,[3] the analysis considers the following characteristics:
Household income,
Level of education,
Race/ethnicity, and
Regional/rural origin.
In summary, the additional years of recruit data (2004–2005) support the previous finding that U.S. military recruits are more similar than dissimilar to the American youth population. The slight differences are that wartime U.S. military enlistees are better educated, wealthier, and more rural on average than their civilian peers.
Recruits have a higher percentage of high school graduates and representation from Southern and rural areas. No evidence indicates exploitation of racial minorities (either by race or by race-weighted ZIP code areas). Finally, the distribution of household income of recruits is noticeably higher than that of the entire youth population.
Demographic evidence discredits the argument that a draft is necessary to enforce representation from racial and socioeconomic groups. Additionally, three of the four branches of the armed forces met their recruiting goals in fiscal year 2005, and Army reenlistments are the highest in the past five years. A draft is not necessary to increase the size of the active-duty forces. Our analysis using Pentagon data on wartime volunteers effectively shatters the case for reinstating the draft.
To see the full (much lengthier) report: http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
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Cartoon,
Thanks for the info. I suspect this can be concluded logically by any thinking human. After all, there are educational requirements, and rigorous physicial and pysch tests to become a soldier. There are no such requirements to become a random citizen, or a politician. Kerry is an idiot.
otoh, I do feel that this story was brought into heavy focus primarily not as an election year stunt, but to hide a story that everyone in govt. wanted to hide. It was the GOP who pushed for surveillance drones in the combat zone, and it was the democrats who pushed to arm those drones. Without these not so brilliant military decisions being made by politicians back in washington, this wouldn't have happened.
So here it is again, the real top story of the day which the Kerrygate story buried:
Robot attacks school, kills 83
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1061375
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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, let me get this straight. You're saying that bothHarvard and Yale, two of the oldest, most expensive, and elite universities in the USA are so strapped for cash that they'd blindly admit the son of a wealthy politician, and then allow him to exit their campi with diplomas ? Even an elite MBA program ?
The schools are not 'strapped for cash', they do, however, remain highly respectful of those who make donations and/or are friends of the institutions of higher learning, especially from positions of influence.
Like you don't know this Chrisisall
So, is it only sons of GOP politicians, and never the case with Democrats ? Wouldn't JFKerry be the recipient of the same treatment as GW Bush ? If so, then Kerry's attempted jab at W's intelligence seems to encompass himself into the same catagory as W.
I'm just going to butt in here. People on this board, esp. now, myself included, around high irritation season, ie. election time, get all worked up, argumentative, and bash each other more than the rest of the time, in this troll country forum of ours.
Here's what I see:
1. Kerry is an idiot
2. So is Bush
3. They both went to college
4. Many other idiots also went to college
5. All of you know this, and don't really have a serious disagreement.
I also want to clear up one thing:
Colleges often admit one (1) child of an alum in what is called a 'legacy' program. This isn't unique. Having "Yale families" out there, especially powerful ones, is good for the college.
W. was a screw up. So much so that Yale didn't welcome any more Bush children. Bush Sr., who thought the younger JEB was the star kid, was very ticked off. I suspect he was kicking himself for having caved to George's whining to giving the legacy spot to him. This seems to have been pretty much life long bad blood between dad and w.
Kerry went to yale and under performed bush, ie, he's an even bigger screw up. I don't think either one of these guys merits any respect at all.
The whole game in politics is divide and conquer, and the people in power want us attacking one another, and defending these losers, which is exactly what they have us doing.
Your fate is not wrapped up in Bush and Kerry, and your ego should not be either.
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In no particular order.
Another story that was buried was the Bush administration changing our proud tradition of, "No man left behind," to "One man left behind." ( http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/01/on-iraqi-orders-bush-abandons-am
erica-soldier-to-al-sadrs-militia/ )
I'm not surprised Hillary Clinton was trying to gain points at the expense of John Kerry. That's just a preview of what will happen during the Presidential campaign.
Here's a piece of commentary, from Jane Hamsher over at firedoglake, that I found appropriate:
Quote:
excerpted from http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/01/ned-lamont-kicks-gop-bullies-in-
the-nads/
Meanwhile, Tony Snow was just on The Factor saying that John Kerry's apology was "sufficient."
Translation: We polled the tits off this pig and we were getting hammered. We wanted people to hear "Democrats hate our troops" and all they were hearing was "Iraq is a fucking mess."
But thanks to everyone who ignored that fact and gave us a leg up by spinning it for the GOP. We owe you one.
* edited to add another firedoglake link. Man, I love that community.
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John Murtha:
"I want to make it clear I am not suggesting a retreat, nor handing the enemy a victory," Murtha declared in a hastily-arranged press conference. "However, I have come, sadly and slowly, to the conclusion that our current deployment of John Kerry in the campaign is creating more 'insurgent voters' than it is turning towards us. Therefore, I suggest, at the earliest feasible moment, that we withdraw John Kerry from the theater of political battle and redeploy him to nearby Okinawa."
Rep. Murtha's remarks immediately drew fire from Kerry partisans and various left-wing bloggers, who urged "staying the course" and keeping Kerry in the field "until the battle is won."[/]
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Here is a video response to Lurch Kerry from a soldier "stuck in Iraq".
http://www.ApologizeJohnKerry.com
Soldiers from the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 34th Infantry Division
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Anyone see how The Daily Show dealt with this?
"Kerry is losing elections he's not even in."
Then they plug a CD of Kerry's "Botched Jokes."
Use clips of Rumsfeld telling a soldier "...you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want..." to show how Republicans are just better at humor.
What a riot.
But seriously I'm amazed at how easily the news got hijacked this week and we all fell for it. 104 servicemen were killed in Iraq last month and we're arguing about something a politican who's not even running for office said.
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Originally posted by MalBadLatin:
John Murtha:
"I want to make it clear I am not suggesting a retreat, nor handing the enemy a victory," Murtha declared in a hastily-arranged press conference. "However, I have come, sadly and slowly, to the conclusion that our current deployment of John Kerry in the campaign is creating more 'insurgent voters' than it is turning towards us. Therefore, I suggest, at the earliest feasible moment, that we withdraw John Kerry from the theater of political battle and redeploy him to nearby Okinawa."
Rep. Murtha's remarks immediately drew fire from Kerry partisans and various left-wing bloggers, who urged "staying the course" and keeping Kerry in the field "until the battle is won."[/]
Now that's comedy !!
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Thanks DT, very true and a good post to boot. Too bad DISruptor (I love the 'Trek' feel of that dis) won't get it.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Your fate is not wrapped up in Bush and Kerry, and your ego should not be either.
Peeps who feel worthless or powerless latch onto an idea, cause, or man and follow them to Hell, if they have to. That's where terrorists come from, too.
Patriotism gone wrong. Shame.
Psych 101 Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Hero:
Why not? Rush stood by his remarks, but apologized for those who mistook what he said.
Quote:
Earlier in the day, appearing on the radio program “Imus in the Morning,” the Massachusetts senator said he was “sorry about a botched joke” about President Bush. He heaped praise on the troops, adamantly accused Republicans of twisting his words and said it was the commander in chief and his aides who “owe America an apology for this disaster in Iraq.”
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/
You heard it here first folks, Hero respects Kerry for standing by his comments but apologising to anyone who may have misunderstood them.
Of course we know that Hero respects Kerry's actions now because if he didn't we'd know Hero is indeed a hipocrite, and we know that couldn't be true of Hero, don't we?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Boehner refuses to apologize for faulting generals
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2328683.php
So, Boehner defends the cosmically incompetent Rummy by explicitly blaming the disaster that is Iraq on the troops, yet Kerry gets all the media attention for saying something he didn't even really say? Nice. That liberal media bias at work again.
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well I'm not much for politics, Polititions make me ill. My understanding is that Kerry told a bad joke, not a surprise. Not shure what his problem is with an appology. Again the Republicans scream bloody murder to pull public attention away from anything that matters. They have done nothing right lied about everything and even had a molester or two in their midst. Give the big money more money and send jobs overseas.
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