Independent Army Brigade--The 76th (part three)
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UPDATED: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 16:08
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Continuation of this thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=25503&m=417376#417376
Discussion thread for those interested in marching at D*C as an Independent Soldier. Please read the previous two threads before posting if you are new to this. Thank you, and we hope to have many more people involved!
We have discussed many things so far, and I will try to get them all in this first post.
The name, first off...the 76th was mentioned by Zoe in a deleted scene from the pilot episode, so I thought it would be a good Brigade designation, and it has been accepted by everyone who had an opinion on it. BabyWithThePower has designed some wonderful patches, and we are trying to decide which to use. He is also in contact with a company that will create these for us.
This is from him on the last thread.
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I'm glad you like them. I'll let everyone know what kind of deal I can work out with the patch place. At worst, I'm thinking $2 a patch. Once I send chunks of them to the contributors, you can charge whatever you want for them, but once we decide on a quantity and what everybody's going to help offset for me, than just tell me how much you can/want to contribute and you'll get the equivalent amount of patches.
ArtCat is doing a wonderful job with the knitted chainmail sleeves:
And some may be building actual mail sleeves...which will look very good!
I have thrown together a "first-draft" of the red vests worn by the soldiers, but there is still a bit of debate as to the stripes.
Let's see...the main gun for the average soldier will be the H&K G36 airsoft version, which can be found on ebay, or on www.airsplat.com, a link provided by Sister. The prices are quite reasonable, even with shipping.
I know I am missing a lot. Please feel free to correct me or carry your own contributions forward.
I am very pleased with the response to this, and happy that so many of you are interested in marching as Independents, too! Thank you all!
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Firsties!
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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
I didn't go in the dealer rooms much, so I can't tell you about them, but it was $20 each for the BDH signatures/photo op (you could take a pic of them for free, just not a pic with them).
Please tell me that if you pay the $20 you can get the signature AND take a picture with them. It would kinda suck to have an either/or situation.
Yes, for $20 you get a signature (and a picture if you didn't bring anything to sign) and a chance to take a pic with them. I have pics with the two from this year (Summer and Alan) on my MySpace ( http://www.myspace.com/supernova_412 ) and I keep meaning to scan in the autographs but I left them at my mom's house over Thanksgiving and can't get them back until Christmas. :\
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I'm moving this forward from the last thread, too. I know little of the layout of the military hierarchy, and put those decisions in the hands of the military people on this board.
CMH had this to say after my last post:
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Well for one thing, modern military doesn't wear a Brigade patch: They were a Division patch. Not sure how/if this will matter to anyone, because unless the word "Brigade" was used specifically we could easily assume that all references to the 76th was a reference to a Division number.
However, if we're dead set on Brigade, I would suggest to Babywiththepower that you look up the word "Regiment", the Chinese Military equivalent of Brigade.
I'll put forth for my own vote that we stick with having the patch represent our Division, and that we choose a Company of a Battalion of a Brigade of the 76th Division to represent. If this is cool with you Tristan, I could write up all of the nomenclature on it, give us a real identity. I think it's pretty much decided that you'd be the Company Commander, most likely making you a Captain (imagine that?). You could assign a First Sargeant and an XO of Lieutenant rank.
CMH, thank you for all that. I have no idea how many people we will actually have marching...will that impact any of the ideas you have as far as any of this goes?
Oh, and as far as being Captain...remember that Lieutenant from The Message? The one who "lost his arms?"...yeah, that would probably be me.
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BWTP, those are some shiny patches. I prefer the oval or circular design to the hexagon one, but that is just me. The triangular one is nice, but may be too much since the Independent patch is already a triangle. Don't much care for the square. I'll gladly buy several when they are made (or in advance if need be) to insure I can get them in time to sew on & get the numbers needed to place the patch order.
Artcat, the chainmail sleeves look great so far.
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BWTP, those are some shiny patches. I prefer the oval or circular design to the hexagon one, but that is just me. The triangular one is nice, but may be too much since the Independent patch is already a triangle. Don't much care for the square. I'll gladly buy several when they are made (or in advance if need be) to insure I can get them in time to sew on & get the numbers needed to place the patch order.
Thanks, I'll keep you posted.
I figure I'll move this foward as well:
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Well for one thing, modern military doesn't wear a Brigade patch: They were a Division patch. Not sure how/if this will matter to anyone, because unless the word "Brigade" was used specifically we could easily assume that all references to the 76th was a reference to a Division number.
However, if we're dead set on Brigade, I would suggest to Babywiththepower that you look up the word "Regiment", the Chinese Military equivalent of Brigade.
I don't know how your unit worked, but I wore my Battalion patch in my sleeve (for awhile) and my Batallion crest on my beret. We changed to wearing the Group patch (for those that don't know Group is equvalent to Brigade). The only people that wore a Division patch were the ones assigned to the Division. I know it was different in units like the 1st AD, but it wasn't a blanket rule across the board. Pleanty of Battalions and Brigades had patches.
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And to move on completely form the last thread:
What MOS were you? Until I got to Bragg, it was Battalion crest on beret, and Brigade patches on the sleeve only if you'd been deployed with them.
EDIT: Okay, we've got this mostly worked through. I never wore a group patch because I wore a group flash instead. In the end, I guess we could be designated as the 76th Brigade, Battalion or Division, but I'll officially change my vote to Battalion since A) That's the kanji that BWTP has and B) That's probably the closest unit size that we'll have. We can all be part of (X) Company, 76th Infantry Battalion.
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Well, they got back to me faster than expected. Here's the prices based on the Hexagon patch (i needed to pick one to send them, doesn't mean it's the one we're going with) it was the smallest in size and therefore the cheapest.
Here's what the prices are:
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Qty. 100
3" Custom Embroidered Patches - $ 1.86 each
100% Embroidery
FREE – Artwork and revisions
FREE – Setup
FREE – UPS or DHL International Air Shipping
100% - On time delivery Guarantee
100% - Product Satisfaction Guarantee
100% - Price match Guarantee
(10) day production
Total Delivered $ 186.00
Qty. 200 3"
Custom Embroidered Patches - $ 1.25 each
100% Embroidery
FREE – Artwork and revisions
FREE – Setup
FREE – UPS or DHL International Air Shipping
100% - On time delivery Guarantee
100% - Product Satisfaction Guarantee
100% - Price match Guarantee
(10) day production
Total Delivered $ 250.00
Once you have approved your design, we will deliver your custom embroidered patches to you within 14 days.
So, it doesn't look too bad, and if we get enough people interested in them, we can order more for a reduction. Hell, 200 I think we could easily unload and it's double the patches for 34% more dough. Something to think about.
Here's a thought too, something we can work on once we know which BDHs are going to be at the Con, but if we could talk them into a group shot with all of us in full gear, we could take the pic, frame it with one of our patches and a brass plaque with something nice on it and send it to Joss. I'm a sentimental sod, so I think it's a good idea, even if it's just us sans BDHs. Something else to think about.
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Sorry, alot of moving here 
Sorry, updated the thread with the correct info. I got it ass backwards. Been up for 24 hours. No caffiene. Sorry.
And in answer, I was DISE Platoon, A. Co, 2d Bn, 66th MI GP.
I was a 96B, Tactical Intel Analyst. But while I was in I was also an 97B, Counter Intel, and SatCom (not sure the MOS designator).
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BWTP, that is not a bad deal at all! Count me in for a large chunk of those.
And I like the picture idea, too...with or without the BDH's. 
Thank you for that update!
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I think we can move 200 patches, easy, even if it isn't to people who march with us. I also like the idea of the group photo and a patch to send to Joss. Shiny!
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200 patches should not be a problem to move. And hey, we might recruit more while we're selling them, too!
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Tristan; had a thought on the "Asian" closures.. Don't know if this is overstepping...so please forgive me if it is - What about contacting the original costume designer? She does have a "contact me" space under one of the market threads...if it wouldn't be too much of an imposition perhaps she'd send us a picture of what she used and where she got them? Just a thought; and I'd volunteer to try and reach her.
Let me know.
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CMH, thank you for all that. I have no idea how many people we will actually have marching...will that impact any of the ideas you have as far as any of this goes?
Not really, not matter how small it gets we can always just claim to be a smaller element of whatever unit size we're representing. Mostly we just need to get it strait if the 76th's a Brigade or Battalion, since BWTP and I concluded that it doesn't actually need to represent a division. Either one of those would work fine.
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The nice thing is too that they garuntee the patches to arrive in 14days. So it's not like i have to order them now to garuntee them to arrive by D*C. The way it work is once I send them a reply to the email I sent, they will have one of their graphic artists create my design and
email me a full color proof to review.
Once I agree to that proof (I would of course post it here for you all to help me decide if it's right) they will go into production and viola, 14 days later we got ourselves an official patch.
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Sister, that is a great idea...no imposition at all! As far as I can see, the vests do not have closures, though, and that is what is bugging me. I went through the flashback scenes last night, and have been looking at screencaps online this morning, and I do not see any closures. Tracey's was wide open, and it looks like all the rest are just held in place by the coat, belts, or whatever else they had wrapped around them. If you would like to contact her, that would be wonderful!
CMH, I will again bow to the knowledge of the military. Just let us know what y'all decide.
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So BWTP, are you sticking with the kanji for Battalion?
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Well it's the one I submitted, so I think so. Unless there is a demand for something different. Supprisingly I just recieved another email and they went ahead and rendered the patch. This is a what the patch will look like stitched (rough, but an idea):
On whatever one we decide, I will ask that the outer stitching be green as well if possible, unless you all want it black.
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Wow, that is one shiny patch! I don't have a problem with the Kanji staying as it is. I don't mind the black, either, but the green would look good, too.
Wow. That is going to look nice on our coats, vests, smocks...whatever we put it on!
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I like it, though I would vote for the black edging, from an artistic standpoint it anchors the kanji and makes the kanji "pop" a bit, with green edging the kanji gets kinda lost in the composition.
Edited to attach apic of one of our reference pics :) 
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Sounds good to me. I'm going to call the guy and let him know we're interested and might change the shape some. That and with it being the holidays, I gotta give my account a few days off before I drop another $250. I figure if I order them in febuary(ish) it'll be soon enough. Agreed?
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One of my Houston crew posted alink to this site
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s/silverado_pants.aspx
some of their shirts are VERY Mal ish
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BWTP, agreed. Let us know a week or so before you order, so those of us that want to can get money to you. Sound good?
ArtCat, thank you for that link! I'll be perusing it during lunch break.
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Sounds great.
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The first gun has arrived. I had it shipped to my brother, so he has been playing with it for awhile. He did send me some pictures, so check them out:
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He says it feels like plastic, but that's because it is plastic, but it has a nice heft. He also says the shoulder strap is great if we are five-year olds, so we may have to find or build proper straps. That should not be a problem.
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I'm in for a pair of patches. Whatever shape. Hex is nice as it's a multiple of the Tri-Indy patch.
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Okay; I've sent Shawna Trpchk an e-mail asking for photos/sketch/possible supplier for "Asian fastenings"...I'll let you know if I hear anything.
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Sister, thank you for that!
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Well, it sounds like ya'll might be interested in some special lanyards! Hubby and I'll work on a list of possible phrases for everyone to vote on. If anyone else has an idea, we'll happily add it to the list.
Tristan, your gun looks brown, is that what color that style of gun is supposed to be? If not, you can paint it. (Hubby painted a toy pistol to look more like a metallic gun for a friend's Samauri Cowboy costume.) Flat black might be a good look for it. (All hail the mighty Can Of Krylon!)
My 2 thoughts about this (ongoing) thread:
1) You guys are gonna look "wicked awesome" (too much Family Guy. Heh.).
2) I'm sorry, the 501st are who again? LMAO...We don't need no stinkin' Storm Troopers!
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BoomerGoodHeart, we are looking forward to the lanyards!
And not, the gun is a flat black...may want to check the color correction on your screen!
Hehehe, I like that...."The 501st who?" Ah, one of these days!
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..Oh,yes Boomer; landards and I would also love the patches!...I'm getting more excited! I actually passed by a store I'd never seen in my little bitty town called "Imagin-knit" so I'm going to try and get a good photo of Articat's finished mail and ask them to make some for me! Dang...will Dragon*Con EVER get here??
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I'm down with all that was said.
just cant find a cloth for the coat.
any ideas where i can get something i went to wm,fs,and checked online and cant find nothing.
need help.
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MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ALLIANCE SWORD?
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Don't mean to make waves, but why are we worrying so much about whether a brigade patch is worn now when we are discussing a fictional unit from 500 years in the future? Lot of things could have changed in military doctrine from the present to the time in the future when the Independents become an army.
I say we stick with brigade and move forward. If the characters in the patch don't translate to brigade, why bother with them at all. Just go with the star and the unit number.
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I like the look of the hexagonal patches. This is partly due to the fact that it'll cover a similar area to a circular one of the same size. "Why is this important?" I hear the hecklers asking.
Simple, it means that with a velcro backing to attach the patch to a shirt/jacket, I can swap between my browncoat and SGC outfits in a hurry if needed (depending on who I'm hanging around with at the time).
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mornin' troops.
Tristan, the gun looks great, and I think the brown color is from glare (at least it appears that way to me). I get paid tonight so I might go ahead and order mine as well.
As has been stated, I am in for patches and for lanyards, and I had another idea yesterday. In honor of this newly-created unit (not sure what to call it), I was thinking of putting the wonderful design of the patch onto a label for the beer I will be making, along with a red cross or the words 'First Aid' or some clever name I haven't created yet. I have never labeled my beer, so I need to look into that for size and other specifications.
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Morning, all!
RIKMJWSL777, with all due respect, this is the last thread you'd be wanting to ask where to find an Alliance sword. I suggest trying your search engine or starting another thread.
Nico...I can't really argue with that logic. I can see you walking around D*C, though, quickly replacing patches as you move through fandoms!
RIMG, that would be a wonderful honor, ad far as labeling the beer goes! The first Independent Army Brigade with it's own beer! Whoo-hoo!
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Don't mean to make waves, but why are we worrying so much about whether a brigade patch is worn now when we are discussing a fictional unit from 500 years in the future? Lot of things could have changed in military doctrine from the present to the time in the future when the Independents become an army.
I say we stick with brigade and move forward. If the characters in the patch don't translate to brigade, why bother with them at all. Just go with the star and the unit number.
No waves made. Frankly it doesn't matter, but it's all a matter of preference. Also, you don't see any unit patches on any of the soldiers in the flashbacks other than the triangle one Mal pulls of the dead LT. We're all assuming that's the 'Independent Patch', but in all honesty, it may be the patch of the 57th Overlanders.
I personally prefer the idea of wearing the Battalion patch because as a Bn we could be one of the Bn's that make up the "Balls and Bayonets" Brigade (the 57th) and therefore be in Mal's unit, even if under him. Here's what I mean:
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Sergeant Malcolm Reynolds is stationed on Hera and in command of thirty-odd grunts, including Zoe Alleyne. Five days into the battle, there are so many officers dead that he commands two thousand, and he keeps all of them together, fighting, and sane. The Browncoats are forced to pile up the bodies of fellow soldiers and friends to build a wall because they have no cover, while blood just keeps pouring out of them. The survivors slip in it half the time, finding out that "bloodbath" is not just a figure of speech.
[Firefly DVD and website. In the same deleted scene, Zoe tells Simon about the role she and Mal played in the battle, though they "didn't turn the tide of glorious history."]
So it's a very real possability that the BDH himself will lead us in the Battle of Serenity Valley.
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BWTP, I like that concept! Huh, so he will lead us after all, it seems. Shiny!
I say we stick with the design we have. One thing I am confused about, though...will we be wearing both the Independents' patch on one sleeve and ours on the other, or...how does that work?
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No waves made. Frankly it doesn't matter, but it's all a matter of preference. Also, you don't see any unit patches on any of the soldiers in the flashbacks other than the triangle one Mal pulls of the dead LT. We're all assuming that's the 'Independent Patch', but in all honesty, it may be the patch of the 57th Overlanders.
I personally prefer the idea of wearing the Battalion patch because as a Bn we could be one of the Bn's that make up the "Balls and Bayonets" Brigade (the 57th) and therefore be in Mal's unit, even if under him.
So it's a very real possability that the BDH himself will lead us in the Battle of Serenity Valley.
I really like that idea. We could always expand later. Being a battalion would work for now. It's not like we are as big now as the 501st Legion. If we ever do get bigger, we can always add new units.
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We will be bigger than the 501st! We must! We shall blanket the streets with wave upon wave of browncoat-ed Independents! They will have to increase the length of the parade just to accomodate us! They will stand in awe of the ordered (well, maybe) ranks of proud holders-of-the-line! And we shall march proudly!
*ahem*
Sorry, got a bit carried away. I may need to lay off the coffee for a bit...
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This is sounding really, really shiny...I love the knitted chain mail sleeves! What a great idea!
I've now got patches available online, $4/ea; $3/ea for 4-9; $2/ea for 10+. So if you don't think you want to get several hundred of them, I've got them in stock, ready to go. These are the new ones with the blue star, as in the Firefly Companion.
Looking forward to joining up!
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shinyhappyklin, glad to have you! Thank you about the patches! We do have a design we are trying to decide on, and I am still not sure if we are wearing both of them. I am defering decisions like that to the military and ex-military amongst us. It's been a bit quiet today.
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shinyhappyklin, glad to have you! Thank you about the patches! We do have a design we are trying to decide on, and I am still not sure if we are wearing both of them. I am defering decisions like that to the military and ex-military amongst us. It's been a bit quiet today.
Well, the way the modern US Army does it is that you wear your unit patch on the left sleeve, and if deployed or serving overseas the American flag on the other. If you deploy to a combat zone you wear the unit you're deploying with on the right shoulder under the American flag.
I don't know if we'd want to do one or both. I'm thinking just the one, but I'm up for either. I've already got the triangle patch.
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I'm ging to march with you guys , but as a companion because I can't give up that dream of all the pretty clothes.
But I love the picture of Mal/Nathan leading the troops.
Maybe someone could try to pass this info on to our captain or any other of cast that might attend.Who knows right ?
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I would also defer to those among us who know more about the military; but if I could vote; I'd have us wear both; our 76th...(on the left sleeve as per BWTP)...and the triangle patch from Serenity on the right. (Kinda like a flag?) dunno...Oh, and I'm with Tristan in that we should blanket the streets...conscripting ANYONE at D*C w/tan pants to march with us...heh heh.
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so sorry to everyone i will no longer ask any thing else from you.
but ill stiil look at the costumes
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I also like the idea of our 76th patch on the left shoulder and the Independents patch on the right. If that is acceptable to most, then I think that is the way we should go.
Thank you for the info, BWTP!
I am out for the weekend, but I'll be back Sunday...and I'll be bringing home the new gun.
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Little Albatross,
I too have a companion costume, and was thinking originally of marching in the parade with a "Support Unification" sign since companions logically would be Alliance sympathizers
However the idea of marching as part of the brigade has overcome my desire to get all gussied up in companion attire for the parade at least, after the parade I will be found in either companion clothes or my kaylee jumpsuit.
I figure I have all weekend and am allowed a few costume changes.
I have one sleeve done with the knitting, now I just have to play with mylar and experiment with a slightly different dye.
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Tristan, I hope you don't mind but I am doing this so I can find everything we have already run through in one location, I figure as one thread gets used up, it will be easy to copy and paste/edit this master list as oppposed to going back through 3 or more threads to find a link you were lookign for :)
This of course is all somewhat fluid still and just my attempt to amass as much info for my selfish use as possible :)
The Plan:
March as members of the Independent Army, at www.dragoncon.org in their parade. The finished costumes will look like this
we will be marching as the Balls and Bayonets brigade, regiment # . The current vision is, "vision has the soldiers at least a little "uniform"...at least close in pants and shirts, but with similar vests and overcoats and weapons. As the war progressed, they seem to have become very hodge-podge...I was aiming for a relatively new 'brigade'...haven't really had their edges dulled to far yet."
Pants can be found here:
http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=CM83&type=store&catego
ry=3930
These are the pants I used for my Mal costume...all that needs to be done is a bit of hemming and adding the stripe down the side. You don't have to use these pants, but they are the closest within a decent pricerange.
Vest:
Tristan is designing one now
Chainmail Sleeves:
Artcat is testing out these directions http://upstagereview.org/CostumesArticles/Chainmail.pdf and will be making chainmail sleeves on a limited basis, possibly making a make your own sleeves kit available if there is enough interest.
Helmet:
Still unsure, thought the Navy does/did use textured helmets
Boots:
not really a problem. Mid-calf or knee high boots. Preferably brown... but of course, it doesn't matter a great deal.
Scarf:
Depending on what campaign, apparently. Mal wears a blue scarf and Zoe wears a red scarf in Serenity Valley. Tracey, Mal and Zoey all wear red scarves in Du-Khang. Up to you. I have a blue bandana sort of scarf plus a big red one, just in case.
Belts and ammo packs etc:
Look around :) A brown belt isn't hard to come by... a gun holster should be too hard in America
Patches can be found here:
http://mysite.verizon.net/resp06h7/
AND
www.OutToTheBlack.com will has fully embroidered Independent patches. The star is a navy blue, which is the color in the Firefly Companion book.
Gloves: Unknown
Weapons:
This is what we are looking for. The G36, obviously. (First big picture) We can take the laser off, etc.
The gun we seem to have settled on is the H&K G36C. It appears that the guns in the series are actually something called CA36 (it has a higher sight rail than the G36), but as the CA36 runs about $350.00, and the G36 runs anywhere from $13-$40 for the airsoft versions, we have decided to go with those. Sister gave us a link to www.airsplat.com, which has just the right one:
http://www.airsplat.com/itemdesc.asp?CartId={C70A1A45-9E39-4CFE-BDB3-D
C8609FB28EVEREST1E}&ic=AR%2DG36%2D366&eq=&Tp=
$17.95 plus shipping.
Optional Medical Kit (aka Beer bag) for our medical crew
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/
........ I Will finish editing this list in a bit gotta get some work done :)......
If there is anything horribly wrong in what I have thus far please let me know
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We will be bigger than the 501st! We must! We shall blanket the streets with wave upon wave of browncoat-ed Independents! They will have to increase the length of the parade just to accomodate us! They will stand in awe of the ordered (well, maybe) ranks of proud holders-of-the-line! And we shall march proudly!
*ahem*
Amen brother! I really think that ordered is not the way to go, it will make us look too much like those dumb stormtroopers. We could move along flanking each other, complete with spotters and scouts and the like.
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Ultimate Dragon*Con Fantasy:
Captain Malcolm Reynolds, in full officer uniform, leading the troops through the streets of Atlanta (after having caught wind of this fabu idea)..............
That would be
ing amazing. Maybe we should send him a wave sometime to help to encourage him to be there. Hmmmm, I have his MySpace too.....EDIT: LA, great minds must think alike
or at least have a one-way psychic linkI like the idea of wearing both patches, and I would pay ArtCat or whoever else is able to make them for a set of the mail sleeves (I have never been good with the needles, though I would be willing to learn if someone wants to give me instruction)
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I think I will be making the sleeves on a limited commission basis, but keep in mind each sleeve just to knit so far takes me 5 hours
If I end up doing the mylar metallic stuffs it will go up a bit more.
I would be more than happy to help coach browncoats to knit, and again if there is enough interest I can order bulk supplies and send knit sleeves kits out.
I will talk to my fellow Houston Browncoats as I know there is at least one other knitter and 3 folks that crochet (the crafty 'coats have been teaching each other).
I'm getting very excited about this folks it is coming together quickly!
Again I am going to suggest a website or at least a page so we can keep track of links to various pieces of the costume and have all teh reference pics in one place, just an idea so folks dont have to crawl through multiple threads to find info, and folks with dialup are not faced with the pics and hte horrendous times it takes to load :)
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Hey! Artcat81... that is such a shiny idea - but I have no clue how to make it happen, so we might just have to keep mentioning it... in our conversation from time to time until someone who is clever, computer-savvy and has amazing talent can start a webpage for us!!
Also I am pretty sure these haven't been scanned and posted yet... so I finally got around to doing it - hope they don't confuse at all, just wanted to add to the colourful array of options for us...
All from the Official Firefly Companion...
So... Artcat... what's been happening lately - wouldn't it be shiny to have a dedicated web page for the 76th Independant brigade...?
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oooooo, gorramit I am still trying to get me a copy locally of the companion Im about to give up and order from poplollies.com
You know... looks like the chainmail is not a full sleeve... that would make life easier and be a bit less knitting.. however thehn you have the how to attach it to those understraps issue... hmm I am gonna talk to some of me very Browncoated D&d group who happen to be talented leather workers for ideas...
oh and I have one sleeve done except I need to redye it so it all matches in coloration closer (right now I have a dark patch, a light patch, and a white patch
I am on the mylar hunt this weekend
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ArtCat, you might also want to look at how shiny the sleeves are. Actual steel chainmail dulls down very quickly after it's made. I assume that warfare would make it even more so.
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Howdy, all!
Hope this isn't too presumptuous, but I posted on both the OB and Dragoncon's livejournal about the 76th. Hopefully, you guys'll get some more recruits!
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Hi Tristan I was woundering if I can march with you guys at D*C?
and for guns theres a G&G UMG airsoft at airsoftextreme.com
later
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yeha I was thinking about the shiny aspect, the "chainmail" has kinda dull shiny, I am working on dying it a deeper grey color and am gonna play with it from there.
I know Tristans vision is for us to be beggining of the war independents not teh stuck in serenity valley after laying down arms type.
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...wouldn't it be shiny to have a dedicated web page for the 76th Independant brigade...?
I've mentioned to Tristan that I have some webspace available for a site. Once we get more information I can start to throw something together. I've got some ideas I've been tossing around, and once I get them onto the page, I'll post it here for viewing and suggestions. Oh, and it's Battalion, not Brigade.
Oh, and talk of rank has come up a couple of times, and I know that the fear is that everyone will be claiming thier own rank and we'll have an overabundance of NCO's and Officers. A suggestion, if I may, as to the deciding of rank. Make it merit based. Those that have made major contributions to the unit (i.e. Tristan coming up with the idea, making the vests, etc., makes him a perfect choice as our Commanding Officer. ArtCat81 making the mail sleeves and offers to put together kits could possible be a Corporal or a Sergeant). That way a majority of those marching and in the unit are Privates. Then, as time goes on and the 76th grows, further contributions could be weighed by those already with rank and more people could be promoted to higher ranks. Just a thought.
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Hello, all.
Just back from a long weekend away...I have some catching up to do.
ArtCat, thank you for compiling what we have so far...that will be a lot easier to move around!
Let me see if I can suggest a few things to "final" out some of the ifs on that list...
I am not sure we can use "Balls and Bayonets" as a phrase...we might want to find something a little different for ourselves.
As BWTP has pointed out, we should be calling ourselves a Battalion rather than a Brigade. And thank you again for the offer of webspace, BWTP. It would be great to have everything "concrete" there, with this thread as a discussion/recruitment center.
Helmets. I think we may have discussed getting the galvanized or rough-surfaced ones. I again defer to the military individuals involved to decide on what would be best and easiest for us to get ahold of.
As far as rank, I think that's a good idea. I again am not military-minded, and am going to need guidance as far as the actual marching goes, but a merit-based ranking is a sound idea.
I have two different versions of the G36 now in my possession. When I get a chance over the next few days, I'll do a side-by-side comparison...they are both very close in look and feel, and both about the same price. More on those later!
I like the idea of wearing both our patch (the 76th) and the Independent patch. It may not be entirely militarily sound, but it's a good homage.
Oh, BWTP, quick side note regarding weapons...one of the versions of this breaks down compactly...very short barrel and no stock. Might be a good "sidearm" for a sniper.
Ok...let's see...Magda (qing ren!), thank you for posting those photos...it never crossed my mind to do that for some reason....
ArtCat, again, thank you for the mail sleeves. I know that not everyone will be wearing them (especially the soliders in the sleeved coats), but they are going to be very, very shiny! Um...well, not literally...but...wel, you know what I mean! 
BoomerGoodHeart, thank you for posting this elsewhere! I am hoping people from those boards pop in to say hello!
I think this is pretty obvious, but I'll go ahead and state it...anyone is welcome to march with us, as long as they are willing to "conform" to the minimum requirements we have already been discussing. We are not asking that everyone be a cookie-cutter duplicate, but close enough that someone can look at us and say "Oh, they look cool!" Does this seem like a reasonable requirement to everyone else? We will have links to clothing items that can be purchased either from an online store or from members here, and there are already several alternatives to most of the stuff required. I will also be offering the patterns for the vest, at least, as well as offering to make them for people (reasonable price). As for the guns, there are a few of us that live close to Atlanta that will be brining extras, so no worries there.
Alright, that should have it about covered. Again, I want to thank everyone involved for making this a possibility rather than a dream. We are going to look good and have fun doing it!
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Well, I did some looking for helmets and I found this one. It's an old Russian Military helmet, looks pretty close.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/LEG140-1717-628.html
Not a bad price at only $9.97. They're out of stock now, but hopefully they'll get some in soon. I'll keep looking for alternatives.
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They have a Polish one too for the same price, though it's not as close as the Russian one:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BJR730-51850-1818.html
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oooooo, gorramit I am still trying to get me a copy locally of the companion Im about to give up and order from poplollies.com
You know... looks like the chainmail is not a full sleeve... that would make life easier and be a bit less knitting.. however thehn you have the how to attach it to those understraps issue... hmm I am gonna talk to some of me very Browncoated D&d group who happen to be talented leather workers for ideas...
oh and I have one sleeve done except I need to redye it so it all matches in coloration closer (right now I have a dark patch, a light patch, and a white patch
I am on the mylar hunt this weekend
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Hi ArtCat,
I had requested in one of the previous posts to please put me down on your list of those needing the knitted sleeves. I don't remember seeing a reply, so I apologize if I'm duplicating but could you let me know if I can be on the list for some sleeves, please?
And Tristan, you already have me penciled in for a vest, I think
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Hey Gang...I doubt very seriously if I get to go to D*C, but I am a costumer and it's so very exciting to read all the posts with all the ideas and the research going on. I can't wait to see pix.
I just wanted to let anyone interested know that I have a HUGE garbage bag full of real US military shoulder holsters. I've been trying to find some like them online to price BELOW what they can go for...and it seems that $30-$40 is the average. I don't even know if shoulder holsters would be part of the costumes/uniforms you are goin for....but my daughter little ewok wore two when she dressed as Zoe a couple years ago at Comic Con. She loved doing the 'pose' where Zoe pulls both guns and fires! I took some of the holsters apart to make the 'leg' strap holster variety for her also. I'll see if I can find pix of those. I just got a new digital camera and plan on figuring it out in the next day or two as we are planning on going to Flan2. Also, I've met and emailed Shawna on a couple of occasions and she's always been super helpful with costuming info...if the person who emailed her doesn't hear back soon, I'll try to talk to her at Flan, or email her if you'd like.
This is so awesome that you guys are going to do this. I really wish I could be there. If anyone wants to contact me, I'm always on the OB, or you can email me at saxon1014@hotmail.com
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Hello Saxon; I was the person who attempted to reach Shawna; haven't heard anything back so far so feel free to try and speak with her at Flan! As to the holsters and straps..once you figure out what you'd want for a couple or three...put me down for them, okay? Thanks! This is so much fun!
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Upon seeing some pics I too might be interested in some holsters/straps.
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I just wanted to let anyone interested know that I have a HUGE garbage bag full of real US military shoulder holsters.
I've personally got a Blackhawk Tactical Leg Holster from when I was in that I plan on using, but I might be interested in one, for my personal firearm if not the costume. Can't wait to see the pics.
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I also like the idea of our 76th patch on the left shoulder and the Independents patch on the right. If that is acceptable to most, then I think that is the way we should go.
Thank you for the info, BWTP!
I agree. I would also like to wear both patches. I already have the triangular Independent patch. Per the pilot episode it was worn on the right shoulder (where we see Mal rip it off the uniform of the dead Lt.). I say if everyone is okay with it we wear the 76th patch on the left & the Independent patch on the right.
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Browncoat1, that sounds shiny to me patch wise,
folks talking of working on a website, XIE XIE!
I think if we can go ahead and throw a site together and just update it as more info comes in that might be a good idea so folks dont have to go chasing merrily through multiple threads :)
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Alright 76th, listen up.
I know that there has been some debate on the weapon we will use. Seems we have settled on the G36 in the $18-$40 range. I have found one that is closer to the pics we see in series and the still provided above in this thread. Here is what I found:
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It can be found here:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ER-BE-M9-G36K-M.htm
Price is $89.95 plus S&H. That is steeper than the $20 tag on the G36 Tristan shows above, but this G36K is far closer to what we see the browncoats using in the show.
I know money is a concern for nearly all of us. Heck, I'll be the first one to tell you I feel the pinch, but I really like the looks of this second one better.
If it doesn't ruffle any feathers, I'll be going with it I think. I mean I have already sank a good bit of coin into my costuming for Firefly/Serenity over the past couple of years in an effort to be accurate. I want to be as close to true as possible.
Just a thought.
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Morning, 76th!
Browncoat1, there was a debate about the guns, but I have two G36 airsoft guns at my house that I am going to be doing a photo-comparison of in the next few days. That one you posted is bang-on to what they had, but the G36 (rather than the CA36, which is what they used in the series) is a bit more affordable in the $30-$50 range. The one you found is very shiny, and if people want to go with it, that is great! I will be carrying one of the two that I have at the house now, though.
BWTP, I like the Russian over the Polish helmet...but the Russian one is currently out of stock. It looks like they will be getting them back in stock, so that's promising. I like this idea because it gives everyone interested ONE place to find the same helmet. If there are no major objections, I suggest we go with this helmet for the 76th. A bit of painting, and they will be perfect!
Thank you for those links, BWTP!
FFG, indeed I do!
I should go ahead and mention that I am also going to design a cloth coat based as closely on the soldier's coats as I can. It will not be a necessity to purchase one from me (I am going to try to keep them as inexpensive as possible), but if we can keep close to the same look, that would be a good thing. I am also going to try to make a "smock" for those interested in going with just the vest and mail sleeves. It will take me a little while to design those. I have started on the vest and coat already, and plan on posting shots of the coat when I have one I am happy with.
Saxon, thank you for that offer. I am not entirely sure about sidearms; I have not really seen any in the series. That does not mean we can't wear them, though!
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My first question: Where exactly did Mal get his gun? Is it an officer's sidearm from the war? Just wondering.
My second question/idea: I'd like everyone involved in the 76th to post (or send to me, whichever) their suggestions for the saying on the other side of the lanyard. Also, it's been pretty much decided to go with "THE 76TH BATTALION", correct?
Send me those phrase ideas, and hubby & I'll work up a prototype for posting (I may have to send it to one of you guys as I still can't figure out how to post pictures here).
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Posting pictures is easy, and there is a thread around somewhere that includes a tutorial. Lemme see if I can find it.
EDIT: Here it is - http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=5&t=22105&m=389562#389562
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BoomerGoodheart, thank you again.
I like the "We Will Hold the Line" saying. And yes, it is 76th Battalion. We're a Battalion! How shiny is that?!?
As for Mal's gun, I am not entirely sure. I do not recall any mention/reference in the series as to where he obtained the gun. There is a vague reference in the graphic novel/comic along the lines of "this gun saw me through the war", but again, I am not sure about that.
Looking forward to the prototypes!
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Howdy Coats!...good Monday to you all. Regarding all the questions about sidearms/etc; in my humble opinion, since much of what I've read on this and other boards indicates a lot of the backstory on the 'verse and particularly the war came from the Civil War/old west era; I think many of the battalions in the Independence Army probably brought with them small, familiar armaments from their home worlds like knives and handguns. They were probably issued weapons as well and as soldiers are wont to do in downtimes between battles or campaigns some of the personal armaments were perhaps wagered in games of chance? Just a thought and could be reason enough for some of us to have sidearms; others not?
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Sister, I like that concept! Shiny! I say we go with that.
Anyone have any issues with this?
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I think the whole point of the Browncoats was the fact that they weren't 'unified' like the Alliance. So, like the Civil War, there would have been smaller militia groups that might have some sort of 'uniform' but yeah, mostly they brought what they had and supplimented with what they were given. The whole 'rag-tag' thing. JMHO. This sounds so fun!! Got the whole envy thing going on here. :P
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Are we going to go with 76th Battalion or 76th Independent Battalion on the lanyards?
Also, have a very basic and very bare bones site created (much more to be updated when it's not a work night). I jumped the gun and made myself a Sergeant (you'll see in my opening message on the site) based on contributing the webpage and the patch, though if anyone has any issue with that, it definately up for debate. I'm thinking for officers, especially CO and XO, that it should be put to a vote. Personally I think CO should be Tristan, and the XO has to be someone that's going, can organize and has contributed. Again though, that's up for debate as well.
Here's the link:
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Please, let me know what you think, and please don't spare my feelings. If there's something you feel could be improved upon, by all means, let me know.
Also, I'm working on securing us a dedicated domain. www.76thBattalion.com or something similar. if you have any ideas on what you'd want our URL to be post it here as well.
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BWTP...Love the site! Ya done good.
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BWTP, I like the Russian over the Polish helmet...but the Russian one is currently out of stock. It looks like they will be getting them back in stock, so that's promising. I like this idea because it gives everyone interested ONE place to find the same helmet. If there are no major objections, I suggest we go with this helmet for the 76th. A bit of painting, and they will be perfect!
Thank you for those links, BWTP!
I'm set to be notified shoud they get more in stock. Once they do, I'll post here immediately so we can sell them out again.
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BWTP...Love the site! Ya done good.
Glad you like it. I'll try to update it more sometime between wed-fri and try to update at least once a week.
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BWTP, oh, how very shiny! I like it! And I also like the 76th Independent Battalion...has a nice ring to it! Thank you very much for "throwing" that together.
I am again flattered by the prospect of being CO, and I also agree that it should be put to a vote...as well as the XO and other officers. I think what we need to do is go ahead and take a head-count to see who is going. I'll go ahead and post a thread to that regards...something along the lines of 76th Independent Battalion Role Call.
Thank you also for finding the helmets, and for keeping us informed.
Wow. This is coming along quite well!
Alright, Roll Call thread is here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=25704
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Alright, time for a gun discussion! I purchased two different versions of the G36 from eBay to see what they were like...an automatic version and a semi-auto version.
BrownCoat1 has found an almost-perfect version on the airsplat page, but at $89.00 a pop, the versions I have may be a more affordable option. If you can get the other one, go for it! I am quite happy with these two...
The first one (semi-auto) is labeled M41 on the box. The manufacturer of this one is Double Eagle. It has an upper gunsight and a laser pointer. It is also the most versatile of the two, as it can be broken down into several variants.
Photos:
The last photo shows the smallest version of this weapon. I know a few on here were talking about being snipers, medics, etc...this might be a good one to get for y'all.
The second gun (fully automatic! Whoo!) is made by Cyma, and is designated the CM.021. This one does not break down into a smaller version, although the stock is hinged. This one comes with a battery, a front handle, battery charger, and safety glasses. I found out those are necessary, as I tested the 40-round magazine on full auto in my costume shop...those little balls bounce all over the place! Ok, back to the gun...this one has a more solid feel than the first, probably due to the minor weight of the battery. It did not come with the upper gunsight.
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I did put the gunsight from the first gun on this one, as this will be the gun I carry in the parade.
And, a side-by-side comparison, including the very inadequate straps and strap hooks. The straps suck in both cases, and the hooks broke the first time I put the straps on them...it's something each person will have to look at and modify. If I come up with a way, I'll post it.
Gun number one sling:
Gun number two sling:
So, for those wanting all the toys in one shot, I would suggest gun number one. It has the sight that the ones in the series has, and is a nice-looking piece. It would also be good for those not requiring a "full-size" weapon...snipers, medics, etc.
For those desiring something a bit more "solid", the second version meets this bill quite well. The only drawback to this one is that the top sight is not included. It may be possible to get this separately, but I am not sure.
Both of these guns were purchased from eBay, and both ended up being right around $35.00 including shipping. If anyone does buy one from airsplat, would you be so kind as to post photos and details, so the rest of us can know?
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Ok, if no one has any objections (and if you do, please bring them up! We won't bite), let's go with 76TH INDEPENDENT BATTALION on the one side, and WE WILL HOLD THE LINE on the other. Price will be $10, just like our other lanyards. We need to order a number stamp set from our leather store. As soon as we receive it, we'll work one up and post a pic (as well as send one for the website). First lanyard will go to Tristan for his foresight and hard work. Everyone ok with that?
Now, how should we work out delivery? We have no problem sending it to anyone. However, we would like to keep this exclusively for those that are acutally marching. We will, of course, have a bunch with us at DragonCon, where they can either be picked up, or purchased. (An aside: Thank you WickedWren for inviting us to share your vendor table!! We do so appreciate it.)
If ya'll have any questions about this post, other things we could possibly make for the squad, or leatherworking in general, please let me know!
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Glad you like it, and glad I could help.
Okay, I know I've been the one pushing the rank issue, but I've done nothing to help break the ranks down. So, I give to you the US Army rank structure. For enlisted ranks I say we just use the Army's and just flip it (similar to Canada). Officer rank we can just leave as it is. For ease of rank, I'm skipping Specialist, Master Sergeant and Comand Sergeant Major, and I'm posting the rank symbols right side up. Our imaginations should allow for seeing them fliped.
Enlisted
E1 - Private (PV1) - No rank insignia
E2 - Private (PV2) - 
E3 - Private First Class (PFC) - 
E4 - Corporal (CPL) - 
E5 - Sergeant (SGT) - 
E6 - Staff Sergeant (SSG) - 
E7 - Sergeant First Class (SFC) -
E8 - First Sergeant (1SG) - 
E9 - Sergeant Major (SGM) - 
Officers
O1 - 2nd Lieutenant (2LT) - 
O2 - 1st Lieutenant (1LT) - 
O3 - Captain (CPT) - 
O4 - Major (MAJ) - 
O5 - Lieutenant Colonal (LTC) - 
O6 - Colonal (COL) - 
O7 - Brigadier General (BG) - 
O8 - Major General (MG) - 
O9 - Lieutenant General (LTG) - 
O10 - General (GEN) - 
Since we're a Battalion, the CO would be either a LTC or a COL, the XO a CPT.
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Ok, if no one has any objections (and if you do, please bring them up! We won't bite), let's go with 76TH INDEPENDENT BATTALION on the one side, and WE WILL HOLD THE LINE on the other. Price will be $10, just like our other lanyards. We need to order a number stamp set from our leather store. As soon as we receive it, we'll work one up and post a pic (as well as send one for the website). First lanyard will go to Tristan for his foresight and hard work. Everyone ok with that?
Now, how should we work out delivery? We have no problem sending it to anyone. However, we would like to keep this exclusively for those that are acutally marching. We will, of course, have a bunch with us at DragonCon, where they can either be picked up, or purchased. (An aside: Thank you WickedWren for inviting us to share your vendor table!! We do so appreciate it.)
No objections at all, I prefer 76th Indepentent Battalion and I think that's a good quote to have. Good on you. Get me the pic as soon as you have it ready and I'll post it on the website along with a link to your page.
I'd kind of like to keep this lanyard for those of us that marched. It makes it more special, you know? Whether we do it by shipping them out or pick up at the Con would work for me.
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I like both the 76th Independent Battalion name and the 'We Will Hold The Line' tagline. I also like the idea of only the people marching having the lanyard.
Ironically, I am doing some computer-based training this morning, and the section I came to while reading this thread has to do with AF military rankings.
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Browncoat1, there was a debate about the guns, but I have two G36 airsoft guns at my house that I am going to be doing a photo-comparison of in the next few days. That one you posted is bang-on to what they had, but the G36 (rather than the CA36, which is what they used in the series) is a bit more affordable in the $30-$50 range. The one you found is very shiny, and if people want to go with it, that is great! I will be carrying one of the two that I have at the house now, though.
I should go ahead and mention that I am also going to design a cloth coat based as closely on the soldier's coats as I can. It will not be a necessity to purchase one from me (I am going to try to keep them as inexpensive as possible), but if we can keep close to the same look, that would be a good thing. I am also going to try to make a "smock" for those interested in going with just the vest and mail sleeves. It will take me a little while to design those. I have started on the vest and coat already, and plan on posting shots of the coat when I have one I am happy with.
Tristan, I think I will go with the one I posted above. I appreciate all of your efforts on researching the two G36 variants you purchased, but I really like the looks of the one I posted. Just glad I won't be ruffling any feathers in carrying a slightly different weapon.
I am definitely interested in the cloth coat you are making. Just keep us in the loop on the cost and construction. Soon as you are taking orders I will place one.
Do you have pix of the Polish helmet?
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Regarding all the questions about sidearms/etc; in my humble opinion, since much of what I've read on this and other boards indicates a lot of the backstory on the 'verse and particularly the war came from the Civil War/old west era; I think many of the battalions in the Independence Army probably brought with them small, familiar armaments from their home worlds like knives and handguns. They were probably issued weapons as well and as soldiers are wont to do in downtimes between battles or campaigns some of the personal armaments were perhaps wagered in games of chance? Just a thought and could be reason enough for some of us to have sidearms; others not?
I completely agree Sister. I am an avid reader/researcher of the War Between the States and I can say you are dead on about individual weaponry. Those who could afford it, armed themselves or were armed by loved ones and brought all manner of weapons with them when they entered the service. Knives, swords, pistols of all sorts, rifles, muskets, shotguns, whatever they could get to try to insure they made it home safely. Many tintypes exist that show soldiers from both sides proudly displaying knives, pistols, etc.
I find no reason to believe that an Independent army, formed by volunteers from border planets would be all that different. It could be that Mal's pistol was an individual weapon Mal either brought with him, was issued, or found on a dead soldier. I would think it highly likely that other browncoats carried personal weapons as well.
I think we should try to stay unified to a point on uniform and long arms, but that if individuals want to add sidearms, knives, etc, it should be okay. It would give us that frontier, individual feel of the browncoats. Unified for a purpose, but still individuals.
I would also like to ask about flags. Every unit on parade has flags. One for our country and one that is the units personal flag. Can't rightly march in a parade if we don't have flags, now can we?
I figured we might consider an Independent flag as our national flag and then design something with a personal touch for battalion flag. If I may be so bold as to suggest a "personalized" flag for the unit. These types of unit banners normally had the names of battles that the unit fought in. Here are a couple of examples from the WBtS:
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Do you have pix of the Polish helmet?
The Polish one can be found here:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/BJR730-51850-1818.html
It's okay, but the far better choice is the Russian, which is here:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/LEG140-1717-628.html
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If I may be so bold as to suggest a "personalized" flag for the unit. These types of unit banners normally had the names of battles that the unit fought in.
It's a good idea. The guidon (pronounced guide-on) bearers would march at the front of the formation at either side of the CO. Battalion flags tend to be simpler in design now than they were back in the day, simply being the color of the specialty (blue for MI, red for maint/supply, ets.) with the unit's crest and number on them. There was a site somewhere that had the Independent Flag as a graphic, it was simply the triangle patch we know extended out into a rectangle. I've got the hookup on a patch guy but I'd have to do some digging to find a flag maker. And with only ordering a few (obviously not as easy to move as patches) costs will be way up.
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The idea of a flag is a good one, although it means we need to come up with a more in-depth back-story for the unit than we currently have.
Things to consider are what battles would we have fought in (Du Khang amongst others), although this would partly depend on the time period that we're placing our costuming in.
Of course, the real important question is, who gets the honour / responsibility of being the unit flag bearer?
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OOOOoooo, you guys!! Will Dragon*Con EVER get here??!! You've all done SUCH wonderful work!
Tristan I have the M41a from Airsplat; since I'm happy to be just a basic private that's what I'll carry.
Regarding flags; at the end of the battle of Serenity Valley; I believe Zoe asks "what colors are they flying?" when the med-ships finally come. Since they are 'browncoats' I'd guess that the flag would be brown; possibly? How about the triangle design (with the blue star from the Firefly Companion Vol. I) as the main design top left? We could then add small one-square inch patches from each of the border worlds (oops, states? countries?) we're all from? and add to it as we add troops? In keeping with the Chinese feel to the show, that strip of patches could run vertically down either side. Just some suggestions..feel free to rip/bend/fold and mutilate!! Oh, good morning and happy Tuesday to all of you.
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The Polish & Russian helmets look okay, but isn't the American helmet a better match:
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I am familiar with the guidon (being former military). As per earlier discussion, I don't think we need to strictly adhere to current military doctrine when creating the 76th, as our unit is based 500 years in the future & on frontier worlds where the acceptable practices of Core worlds may not be observed.
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The idea of a flag is a good one, although it means we need to come up with a more in-depth back-story for the unit than we currently have.
Things to consider are what battles would we have fought in (Du Khang amongst others), although this would partly depend on the time period that we're placing our costuming in.
Of course, the real important question is, who gets the honour / responsibility of being the unit flag bearer?
I don't think we need to be overly worried about backstory. It might be nice if we want to put something up on our shiny new site (thanks BWTP!) or if we decide to have a table at Dragon Con, hand out fliers, etc. Right now we are doing this for fun, love of the show, and to pimp our 'verse.
I think we can safely say that the 76th would have fought on Hera (Serenity Valley), Du Khang & Stirges. We could always make up names or pull them from what canon info we can find online or in the Companion books.
As far as who carries the flags, we could always hold a random drawing to see who gets the honor.
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Morning, all!
BoomerGoodheart, thank you again for the lanyards...we are all looking forward to them!
I also agree that it would be nice that only the marchers got ahold of these, either through shipping or on-site. Makes it that much more special.
Alright, so long as we mostly look similar, alternate weapons, bags, etc. should be actively pursued. I am happy about that...gives me a chance to come across another sidearm I will be happy with!
Flags...as long as it is a flag and not a banner. We will be marching with the SEBC and I do not want us to be competing with them, if that makes any sense. But, as we are supposed to be a relatively new Battalion...not too bloodied yet...would it make more sense to put one or two battles rather than the major ones? Just my thoughts. As for design and such, I am a fan of the smaller "battle flags". Again, not really up on military terminology; I again defer to the military amongst us. I do like Sister's idea of having a unit flag somewhere that gets added to as time goes by. That would be shiny!
The helmets...BrownCoat1, the Russian design is close, and at $9.97, pretty affordable. If you can find a good rate on the US helmets with a decent stock, please let us know!
Ooh, random drawing to carry the flag...I like that and second the suggestion. A drawing amongst the 76th the morning of the parade. How does that sound? Something simple that we can manage to do early in the AM, though...before all brain cells are firing properly.
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