The 76th Independent Battalion (Part 5)
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Greetings! This is the discussion thread for the newly-formed 76th Independent Battalion. We are planning on marching in the DragonCon parade as a Battalion of Independent soldiers.
Last threads:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=25714
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=25575
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=25503
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=25393
And our new website (thanks, BWTP!):
http://76thbattalion.homestead.com/index.html
We have a patch!
I'll see if I can get all of the relevant data in this first post...
We have agreed that it is important to be at least somewhat uniform in appearance...vests, coat or smock, helmet, and weapon...at least close in pants, shirts, and boots. There are two basic uniforms that we can see, and have broken them down as follows:
Type A...basically use Mal as a model. The major item of this uniform is the long coat.
Type B....use Zoe as a model. The vest is worn over a smock-type tunic, and the mail sleeves are visible.
As the war progressed, the Independents seem to have become very hodge-podge...I was aiming for a relatively new group...haven't really had their edges dulled too far yet. On thing we have agreed on is the weapons. Those will be covered below.
Here are other photos from the series that we are basing the costumes from:
A similar pair of pants that most of the soldiers seem to have worn can be found here:
http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=CM83&type=store&catego
ry=3930
These are the pants I used for my Mal costume...all that needs to be done is a bit of hemming and adding the stripe down the side. You don't have to use these pants, but they are the closest within a decent price range.
Vest:
Tristan is designing one now:
I have decided to go with the simple three-line pattern to make the vest more generic as well as quicker and easier to construct.
Overcoat and "smock".
Tristan is currently working on a pattern for both the overcoat and for the smock worn under the vest for those opting for the mail sleeves.
Chainmail Sleeves:
Artcat is testing out these directions http://upstagereview.org/CostumesArticles/Chainmail.pdf and will be making chainmail sleeves on a limited basis, possibly making a make your own sleeves kit available if there is enough interest.
Helmet:
BabyWithThePower has found an inexpensive Russin helmet that looks very good:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/LEG140-1717-628.html
They are currently out of stock, but BWTP will let us know when they re-stock.
The idea has also been suggested that the "Specialists" (snipers, demolitionists, etc) wear either soft caps or scarves,head-wraps rather than helmets. This is an acceptable alternative. If you have a question about whether or not to wear a helmet, contact either myself (Tristan) ot BabyWithThePower)
Boots:
Not really a problem. Mid-calf or knee high boots. Shades of brown would be good.
BabyWithThePower has this to say regarding boots:
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As y'all can see, I have the Second Generation vest done. It's a darker red with darker stripes. I think it turned out quite well.
What do y'all think? Are the colors good, or do I need to try something else?
A few pictures. Pardon the slight blur in some of them...I have no idea what happened.
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And a few with accesories, including my Browncoat...
I found a pattern for the overcoat, and am in the process of making a sloper for it...I'll post pictures of that as it comes along.
As for the vest, I need some input as to closures in the front. I was thinking something along the lines of a clasp and D-ring, but I am drawing a blank. Any help?
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Good look with the vest there Tristan, I think the color's great. As to the closures, I'm not sure. I know I'll most likely just wear it open. I know there are probably 101 different ways you can do that up.
Okay, so I was sitting here thinking about the Con and I realized I have absolutely no idea what to expect. I'm excited for the parade and marching with the unit, but I have no idea what else goes on at one of these things. So I ask, what do I have to look foward to?
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I'll be in my bunk.
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Ahh...the CON and what to expect...Well, If I may; this past year was the first Dragon*Con for me and basically, I wandered around three gi-normous hotels in Atlanta with my mouth open!! (There are TONS of seminars, exhibits, workshops, artshows, vendors rooms, on-going live-action role playing games(ya gotta sign up to play but you can watch 'em)...There are room parties and bar parties full of people in the most incredible costumes and there are costume contests and in the main lobbies of the hotels there appeared to be an on-going, never ending PARADE of costumes...and people begging to take pictures of those in costumes ...It was a veritable FEAST for the eyes...This year I'm planning on actually signing up for some of the workshops....and working on keeping my mouth CLOSED.
Tristan; vest looks very good; I think you're right about a simple closure that way it's there if you need it.
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I second everything Sister has said about the Con. The highlights for me, are the Q&A's with the BDHs (Browncoats start lining up 4+ hours beforehand!), and the Walk of Fame, where you get a chance to talk with 'em & get their autograph/picture.
Let me say, though...there really is no adequate way to describe Dragon*Con. Until you actually go and experience it for yourself, words just can't do it justice.
So, be prepared to be: amazed, overwhelmed, giddy, tired, exhilirated, broke, flumoxed, poleaxed and, oh yeah, TIRED. 
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mornin' soldiers.
Tristan - the vest looks good, colors are better.
I want to echo what Sister and BGH say: This year was my first Con ever of any type, and I was almost overwhelmed. I got so distracted that I didn't get to spend nearly enough time with the shiny Browncoats, which I do regret. Maybe, since our following is so big (look at Flan 2 and how things still persisted through the fiasco) we can have our own track. I was in two of the three lines for the panels, and also in a 1.5 ish hour line to meet the BDHs on the Walk of Fame (I thought it was really neat how no other actors had anything close to a line). Anyhow, if it isn't obvious, I had a great time, and have been counting down to the next one (262 days) for a few weeks now.
~jimi 
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'cause the Roman Gods up to that point were crap. Jeff, the god of biscuits, and Simon, the god of hair-dos.
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Morning, all!
Thanks for the comments on the vest...I'll be trying different closures as time goes by. I'm hoping to have these ready for shipping by the middle of January or so.
BWTP, I'll just add my voice to the others...it's fun, exciting, and tiring; but you won't get the tired part until the trip home. I had to leave Saturday night, so I did miss a lot, but I was lucky enough to walk with the SEBC Browncoats in the parade. That was so very shiny. It was the highlight of my weekend, as I did not have the chance to meet any of the BDH's. Add to that the fact that you get to meet quite a number of fellow Browncoats, it's a weekend you will not soon forget!
262 days!
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Tristan, do try and stay the whole weekend this time!
We usually check-out on Tuesday, as trying to get out of the hotel on Monday is crazy! We also have the freedom of hubby being able to take his job with him, should any programming need to be done.
Everyone should stay through Sunday, at least to see the Masquerade...and luckily, the host hotels carry it on closed circuit, so you don't have to actually be there!
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Boomer, I intend on doing so. I don't want to get into it too much, but last year, a divorce happened that Saturday, so the rest of the weekend was curtailed. I plan on being single when I go, and not taking anyone with me...that way, I can stay!
I am very much looking forward to spending the entire weekend in the company of Browncoats!
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Been through the whole divorce thing, so I can sympathize. 2nd marriage took quite nicely, though (14 years and counting).
I'm gonna make hubby join the board later today so he can answer any and all leatherworking questions.
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Boomer...unfortunately, this was the second one. 
But, I see them as learning experiences. 
Congrats on the 14 years, though!
Oh, I meant to tell you, my armoring career started in leather work...and I've been armoring since '89. I have moved into steel, but I always love when I can get back into leather!
I am looking forward to talking to the hubby!
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Walking around in complete amazement your first time at D*C would be an accurate statement. Don't be intimidated by the size, just enjoy it. Print out the final schedule and make a plan, the plan will be fluid, so just go with the flow. And, if there are any BDH's attending be prepared to stand on line for a good long time. And Browncoat etiquette says you don't save places in line or seats for like half a dozen people. One, maybe two tops won't get you crucified but any more than that people start getting a might teetchy that some folks didn't have to wait, if you know what I mean.
As for the no Battalion flag, I am all for the idea of no flag (I bet you knew that Tristan). Just somehow doesn't seem right to have a flag, makes us seem "apart" from the SEBC which I have no wish to do. Suggestion to anyone wearing new boots for the parade, break them in first or you'll be sorry!
Shiny vest Tristan! I knew it would be!
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Howdy, FFG!
Yep, I knew it about the flag. 
That is why I suggested we not have one the first year. Add to that the problem brought up before about the coat, and who gets to keep it, and what should be on it...it's something we can work on after we survive our first march.
Glad to see you back! How did things go?
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The vest looks good Tristan. The ideas are really starting to fall into place and the unit is really shaping up. I think if our turn out is good we will be a force to be reckoned with at the DC parade.
Got my G36 ordered and am reworking the pants for the uniform. Already have some boots, but most likely will look for another pair that have more of a combat feel to them.
The website and all is looking great. Talked to the local browncoats about the 76th this weekend at our get together. Hopefully I can get them interested and signed up.
As for the scarf thing, I like the red due to it being canon, but see no reason why officers shouldn't wear a different color like blue or green. Of course different colors would make it pretty easy for those pesky Alliance snipers to pick them out on the battlefield and put a bullet in their brainpains.
Sorry to hear we are foregoing the flag this year. I think it is a good idea and would lend that military & unit air to the 76th. Not my call though.
I'll let you know when I get the pattern for the holster. Thanks again for that kindness.
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Howdy, Browncoat1!
Thanks for the info! Looking forward to seeing the completed uniform!
As for the flag, it has been pointed out to me that we will be marching with the SEBC, and having our own flag may confuse some people...there was also talk of "stealing thunder", and that is not something I want to do. Perhaps in 2008, we can march as a separate but combined group. We shall see what the future holds!
I had not thought about the bullet in the brainpan thing...I do think it would be a good, easy way for those in the 76th to find the "leaders", though...just in case. Now, if we do end up in the field, I'll remember to carry an extra red scarf....
Oh, by the way, if you are listed on the 76th's website roster, please feel free to use the 76th patch in your tag, along with the link to the website. A few of us have started to do so. Don't feel compelled, but know that you are welcome to do so.
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Browncoat1, sorry, I forgot to tell you that you are welcome for the pattern. I hope it works out for you...if you need "translation", let me know!
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Hi Tristan!
The Zoe vest had quite a bit of interest, I have 1 card left and I'm firmly convinced that was because I couldn't display it properly due to issues beyond anyone's control.
Browncoat Back-up Bash was the best non-convention I've ever been too. It was an astounding feat the Cal Browncoats pulled off! They were the BDH's of the weekend. But there is a thread to read and link too so we don't change the subject here :)
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Have you got a name, like Mal's 57th Overlanders?
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Hey Colonel.
About that uniform, I am still waiting on a couple of items to work on it some more. As soon as you & BWTP decide on the sergeant rank, we will need to determine placement of rank on uniform. I am assuming we will follow current military guidelines for simplicity sake.
If we hit the field, I'll give you my extra scarf. No sense losing a good officer. They're so hard to come by these days.
I added the patch & homepage link to my sig as suggested.
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FFG, thank you. I have been following those threads with quite a bit of interest since first hearing about them. We will not change the subject, just wanted to know of you had a good time. Seems you did! And thank you for the vest cards...
So, back to the subject, then. I am going to be developing the smock/tunic to go under the vest for the Type B uniform. I'd like to have something that looks newly-issued rather than thread-bare and worn...I'm thinking of making a really short-sleeved coat similar to the overcoat I am also working on (shorter, of course). The sleeves would be just "hints", so there would be places to put the patches.
Any ideas or suggestions?
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Citizen, not yet. We are, so far, the 76th Independent Battalion, and the tagline on our website is "Balls to the Wall". I don't think we have gotten around to giving ourselves a name beyond that yet...
Browncoat1, BWTP and I are discussing the placement of rank, too. The one thing we are running into is the difference in the two uniform types right now. One has the long coat, which is good for placement of all kinds of things, the other (with the mail sleeves) is being a bit problematic. We have discussed the collar tabs and other alternatives...if anyone has some ideas, please post away!
Oh, and thanks for the scarf offer!
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This was brought up in the Imponderables thread, and I like the idea (thanks Tristan and JP):
I would like to make a beer for us, the 76th. I already plan to make a general D*C beer (caffeinated candy beer [sweet stout]), but I would love to make another. What I want from you, soldiers, is to tell me what kind you prefer. If you don't care for a particular type, let me know that too, so I can make something that we can all enjoy.
~jimi
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'cause the Roman Gods up to that point were crap. Jeff, the god of biscuits, and Simon, the god of hair-dos.
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RIMG, I am a Guinness-drinker, so I would prefer that type. However, if it has been home-brewed, anything would be wonderful!
I can't wait for the commercials!
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How about The 76th Holders?
As far as rank if your following US ranking system, Lt Colonel is CO of a battalian, Colonel is CO of a regiment or brigade .
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Ok, ok, I've finally signed up!!! Hello all, I'm Boomer's hubby. Looking forward to helping all I can, answer questions, share ideas and such.
Although I'm the first to admit that I don't know everything about leatherworking, I do know enough folk that have been doing it for many, many years. So if I can't figure something out, I've got many resources at my disposal to help.
I've also done work with chainmail, and still have the old pictures I used as a chainmail primer... If anyone would be interested, I could recreate my primer webpage.
I look forward to getting to know the rest of you better. Whatever tricks, tips, secrets or ideas I might have (whether leatherworking related or not), I'm more than willing to share.
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I would like to make a beer for us, the 76th. I already plan to make a general D*C beer (caffeinated candy beer [sweet stout]), but I would love to make another. What I want from you, soldiers, is to tell me what kind you prefer.
Speaking strictly from personal preference, bitter is better.
Also, any "army" has its greater proportion of grunts, and I'm okay with being one of those. Which I can be, given Tristan's shiny 'coat, courtesy of CallMeSerenity's endeavours.
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Popped over to the website, just to see what's goin' on....sure are a lot of little dots on the official map! Seems like more everyday.
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Afternoon folks. It’s seems you’ve all been busy so I got a lot of catching up to do. I apologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to reply to everyone. So here goes.
First off, I want to thank everyone for their input regarding what the Con is like. I still think I’ll be overwhelmed, but it’s good to know what to expect, and knowing is half the battle! (Thanks GI Joe!)
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Everyone should stay through Sunday, at least to see the Masquerade...and luckily, the host hotels carry it on closed circuit, so you don't have to actually be there!
I plan on staying until the bitter end.
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I'm gonna make hubby join the board later today so he can answer any and all leatherworking questions.
Cool. My rings should be arriving on Friday and I hope to have a sleeve finished by Christmas. Once it’s done I’ll be able to visualize what I want a whole lot better.
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Oh, I meant to tell you, my armoring career started in leather work...and I've been armoring since '89. I have moved into steel, but I always love when I can get back into leather!
And I plan on hitting you up as well, sir.
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As for the no Battalion flag, I am all for the idea of no flag (I bet you knew that Tristan). Just somehow doesn't seem right to have a flag, makes us seem "apart" from the SEBC which I have no wish to do. Suggestion to anyone wearing new boots for the parade, break them in first or you'll be sorry!
I have to agree on both counts. I’d have liked a flag, but I’m not torn up over the prospect of not. As for the boots, wear them around the house if need be, just wear them. Also, get yourself a pair of wool socks. You can get ‘boot socks’ at any Army/Navy Surplus for a buck or two. If you wear gym socks you will likely blister. Keep that in mind. I found a couple of cool boots for those interested.
This is the pair I’m getting:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=277974
And some others:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=306854
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http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=286747
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As for the scarf thing, I like the red due to it being canon, but see no reason why officers shouldn't wear a different color like blue or green. Of course different colors would make it pretty easy for those pesky Alliance snipers to pick them out on the battlefield and put a bullet in their brainpains.
It could be a sniper check in combat, to be sure, but I think for D&C (Drill and Ceremony for the uninitiated) it’s forgivable. Plus, as Tristan said, it’ll make us easier to identify at the Con.
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Browncoat Back-up Bash was the best non-convention I've ever been too. It was an astounding feat the Cal Browncoats pulled off! They were the BDH's of the weekend. But there is a thread to read and link too so we don't change the subject here :)
Speaking of the Flan that wasn’t, someone mentioned handing out flyers about us and possibly mentioning it to Nathan. Anyone know if that happened? I know it may have been lost in the shuffle with them having to organize on their own, but I’m still hopeful.
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Have you got a name, like Mal's 57th Overlanders?
I’m working on something, but as of now, no. I’m assuming that ‘Overlander’ isn’t a nickname but rather their equivalent to our Infantry. So it’d be like me saying I was in the 2nd MI Battalion. That being said (and if it is in fact, the case) than if we’re infantry we would be the 76th Overlanders. If we decide on something else, we’ll have to come up with a term that works.
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About that uniform, I am still waiting on a couple
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LOL..you can call him Ben. Helluva lot easier to type!
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Evening, all!
Ok, looks like we are back online for now...let's see how long it lasts!
Thanks for all the input, everyone!
I will second everything that BWTP has said in regards to...well, everything.
Cozen, welcome aboard! Hey, nice coat! I'm not sure you want to be sewing patches on it, though...I am trying to design and build a quick, easy, inexpensive and good-looking cloth coat. I'm comnig along pretty well. I might have the first one mostly done in a week or so.
LegendaryLeather...um...Ben, welcome! We have heard a lot about you! Glad to be able to talk to you "in person" now!
And now, some personal responses...
BWTP, Guinness is an acquired taste. I did not like it myself until I was able to have a pint in the Guinness brewery in Dublin. Since then, I have been hooked. But I also reiterate that I am a big fan of home-brews, so anything will work for me.
Alright, that should about do it for now. I have been checking our website quite a bit, and I am very happy with how we are growing. Thank you all again for sharing a dream!
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Tristan, in looking at screencaps, I don't really see any distinguishable rank insignia on the coats that Mal, Zoe, or any of the other browncoats are wearing. I am not certain how they are distinguishing officers & NCOs from enlisted, but if they can, I don't see how. It could be that like in many wars in history, soldiers quickly found out that sharpshooters sought and and killed officers and NCOs first to destroy the chain of command. Could be the browncoats ran into the same problem in fighting the Alliance & did away with obvious rank symbols.
I think that collar insignias might work best. You can get the subdued (flat black finished) rank insignias online that would work on coats or shirts.
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It could be a sniper check in combat, to be sure, but I think for D&C (Drill and Ceremony for the uninitiated) it’s forgivable. Plus, as Tristan said, it’ll make us easier to identify at the Con.
True, and I defer to your judgement.
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I suggested we use the Army’s rank structure but dropped out ranks that had duplicates, keeping Corporal and dropping Specialist for example. I also suggested that for the enlisted rank we turn it upside down. I suggested this because in the BDM in the Maidenhead, Jayne was wearing a shirt with a bunch of patches sewn on it, and the SFC rank patch was upside down.
It makes sense to use the current Army rank structure for simplicity sake. Most people are at least familiar with it. I agree that eliminating the redundant ranks is a good idea. I have always preferred corporal to specialist. Will we be sticking with one sergeant rank & if so, which one? Perhaps the SFC rank we saw Jayne wearing?
As far as wearing the rank upside down, not a problem. That will make it like the old military style where they were inverted.
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About the rank insignia:
There was apparently something special about the Lt's patch that Mal 'acquired' in Serenity Valley.
Something discreet, Change lettering color, change border color, combinations... Apparently an RFID chip (or future equivalent) was embeded in it (to get the ident to call in an air strike) as well.
Not practical for our purposes (who'd want to order 100 Colonel patches so that we could make use of 1?)
Perhaps everyone wore a red scarf (not saying colors aren't a good idea, they are, especially for parade & drill), and there was rank insignia stitched into it, or pinned to it. Then again, maybe the officers Did wear different scarves, thus explaining why they were all dead. (Wouldn't be the first military to make such an obvious blunder)
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Morning, 76th!
It looks like we are back up and running.
BrownCoat1, thank you for that. I like the idea of the subdued collar insignia. This will work for the ones wearing the coats...we may have to figure out something else for those wearing the smock/tunic without a collar...any ideas for that? I am talking about the Zoe/Tracey style outfits, they Type B uniform.
FlatTop, from what I remember, it was a number code on the back of the patch that allowed for orders to be passed on via radio.
As for the scarves, I believe they all wore the same color (red in Serenity Valley, Blue for Du Khang), but we decided to differentiate rankings by scarf color. Rest assured that is we do go into battle, I will be wearing the same color scarf as everyone else!
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Ben was looking at the screencaps last night, and he seems to think that the stripes on the vests are made of leather, not material. I'll make sure he posts more on this possibility later.
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Morning, Boomer!
I am not so sure about the leather stripes. They look like cloth, especially on Tracey's vest...almost like strapping. I'm not going to argue this point , but as I have already started building the vests, I am going to stick with the idea that they are cloth. If it comes down to it, I'll stick my fingers in my ears and pretend I can't hear you.
I am glad he is on the site now, though! Give us time, we can make him as obsessed with Firefly as you/we are!
Oh, I want to go ahead and post something regarding "joining" the 76th. The XO and I have talked about this and agreed that everyone who wants to join should be able to. This is, after all, just another way for fans to show their love. So, if you want to be a member of the 76th, feel free to sign up! Even if you are not able to march at D*C, there will be other marches or cons or shindigs in which you can show off. We will have patches and all sorts of other items to purchase, make, find, etc., so everyone should be able to create their own uniform.
The one thing we are a bit more strict on is the ranking. Everyone is considered a Private unless they have or will be giving something to the group in terms of skills, advice and expertise, etc.; they are not automatic, nor do they give anyone any "real" authority. Remember, this is an imaginary battalion For the sake of the march, I would like to try to follow military guidlines as far as discipline. I am not talking about walking in lockstep down the street...that would not be the Independent way! I would like to see some semblance of order, though, as I am sure most of us would...it will look very impressive, don't you think?
So, in a nutshell, even if you can't march, feel free to join. Rank is given on merit/contributions, but everyone is equal in terms of input.
Sorry for the long post, but we wanted to get that out there.
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Tristan,
you are correct, the code needed to call for air support was on the back of the patch.
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Morning Colonel.
The subdues rank insignia can be worn on the collar or just about anywhere. It could be pinned on the shoulder, as the current military does with the class A uniform jacket. The military does not use subdued insignia on the class A uniform, but the placement might work well for our unit.
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Morning, BrownCoat1!
Aha! Thank you for that...I never would have thought to just attach the insignia on the shoulder! That would make things a lot easier.
Again, thank you!
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Something has been brought up in regards to the designation of the rifles...so, just for clarification's sake (thank you LostThought for prompting me to look this up):
The G36C is a "Compact/Commando" version and the G36K is the Carbine. I found a photo on HKPro showing the two weapons in one photo:
The G36K is on top, the G36C is on the bottom.
So, this has both versions that we are using as our main rifles.
I hope this helps clarify things!
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Thanks for the clarification Tristan.
I still like the looks of the G36K as it appears to be the weapon we see Mal & Zoe use in the pilot. I have it on order & should have it soon. When I get it, I will post pics.
I do like the smaller more compact G36C too. It to me would be easier to wield and carry during the DC parade.
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BrownCoat1, I am looking forward to seeing the pics. I may end up getting one of those, too, and keeping the G36C's as "loaner" weapons.
I agree that the K version is the one they both used in the pilot. Thank you for finding the K on airsplat!
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So, a bitter Weiss stout? Hmmmm, might not work so well.
BWTP - I made a peach wheat beer in July, and it was damn tasty.
Tristan - the general D*C beer is going to be a stout (albiet sweet) so I doubt this one will be too.
I plan to have a 36C, and to carry it without the shoulder stock, depending on how it feels/looks.
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RIMG, good deal about the stout!
Oh, and as far as the 36C, one of the versions I have breaks way down into something about the size of an MP5. The M41 version by Double Eagle.
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I found some G36Ks on Ebay at a price range of $40 - $70:
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I may pick up one of these too to see the difference between the Airsplat version & these. Definitely better than the $90 + S&H range on Airsplat.
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Greetings, all.
My interest in FIREFLY - and the 76th Bn - derives from one of my other forms of insanity - American Civil War reenacment. I have three impressions for the period - Confederate, Union, and civillian - but what I do most is Confederate artillery. I am the pround owner of "Flo" the 3" ordnance rifle, and have had alot of fun playing Reb over the years.
The 76th web site application link is not yet operating, but I have puut together my own Browncoat impression, as a sniper. I have taken an Crossman air rifle, lengthened the barrel, added a scope and a few other items. I'm on the West Coast in the Bay area, and wouuld be intested in supporting an impression of the 76th out here.
As you might imagine, I have many thoughts on the nature of Indepdendent infantry, derived from my own reading, and my experience with some very thorough Civil War impressionators.
I was at the recent BBB with an Alliance impression, as there was no one else doing it and it seemed a little imbalanced to me.
Congratulations on an interesting extension of the Firefly mythos, and I hope to meet at least some of you one day.
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BrownCoat1, good find! The last time I looked for one of those on ebay, it was @$300.00! I'll be looking for those again!
Quandom, welcome to the thread! The recruitment link is not working on the website, so as of now, we are taking "applications" through the Roll Call thread.
As far as the weapon, I would love to see what it looks like. I don't think there would be a major problem, as long as the rest of the uniform complied with our guidlines.
And hey, has anyone thought of Independent Artillery yet?
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Hey gang!!
I got it on GOOD authority that the triangular patch with the star is supposed to be 'point end down', which makes the star 'right side up'...so, if that is true, then shouldn't the star on the newly designed patch for the 76th also show the star 'point end up'? I was told that the one time the patch is shown 'base end down, with the star upside down' was a mistake...poor dresser...big boo boo. So, I really hope those patches haven't been ordered yet!!
Oh, I did give Nathan the info on the 76th, and the desire that he lead the group, he seemed all for it, only mentioning that he 'didn't have anything to wear'...so...gauntlet has been thrown!! Someone should start work on something for the Captain!! I'm very sorry that I didn't even THINK of speaking to Shawna about the costumes...I totally forgot!! I even opened a door for her and spoke to her briefly when she arrived...I got side tracked when she had the Illyria costume out and I found out I was right about how it was constructed. Forgive this costuming fangurl.
But, seriously. The patches are wrong. Point end down on the triangle, which means the star should be point UP.
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Saxon, thank you for passing the info on to the Captain! I think I can come up with something for him to wear...IF he will be at D*C, and IF he will march with us!
As far as the star on the patch, I am actually quite happy with the way it looks, as is the designer. Check Nico's Blue Sun Room post for more on that whole "the star is WRONG thing".
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Also, a quote from the designer of the patch from that very Blue Sun Room post:
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I've read the companion and I know the star is to be rightside up, but in designing the patch I wanted it to be, as Tristan mentioned, set apart from the original but stil recognizable as an independent symbol.
I prefer the star upside down, and as I'm the designer, I went with my preference.
So, as the star on the series has been shown two different ways, we opted for the upside-down star as the symbol for our Battalion. I am not trying to start a fight, or dispute that you are correct, but the patch stands as is.
And don't worry about not talking to Shawna...I would have been the same way..."I have a question about....ooh, pretty costume!"
I hope you had a good time, at least!
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No problem, just passing along what I was told. Yeah, my brain did go all missing when she started talking shop. :P
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So, Saxon, I have asked in general, and I have received a few vague responses....maybe you have an idea. I am still stuck as to closures for the vests...any ideas?
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Tristan,
Nearly done knitting chainmail sleeve #2,
leatherworking pals are working on buckle design which will make the chainmail sleeves more true to the show, also more adjustable!
I have round 2 of dye ready to roll as soon as Sleeve 2 is knitted completely
Found Silver colored mylar at Texas Art Supply :)
oh and coworker gave me their clothing iron actually, two fo them.... sooo fun with heat, glue and shiny stuff will probably ensue after Saturdays Big Houston BC holiday Shindig
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No problem Tristan. Always happy to help. Maybe some others can make use of the info too. I have seen the $300 + models on Ebay and online. I imagine the difference is in quality & use. The lower end one I pictured is most likely of like quality to the G36Cs that you received. The $300 + models seem to be top end units for the serious airsoft enthusiasts.
Artillery? Hmmmm..... Do you think the City of Atlanta would mind a 155MM Howitzer being towed down Peachtree Street? Last time that happened is when Sherman (spits) burned the city. It sure would be hard to peacebond a field artillery piece.
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Nathan knows about us?!? How freakin' shiny is that?
How utterly cool would it be if he comes to Dragon Con next year, we had a uniform for him, and he marched with us? That would be the highlight of the con for me.
Tristan we so have to do this!
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ArtCat, thank you for that update! Sounds like it's coming along smashingly.
Try not to have too much fun with the heat, glue, and shiny stuff!
BrownCoat1, I thought the same thing...the expensive ones seem to be all metal, precision parts, etc...all to shoot little plastic BB's or paintballs. Does that seem right to you?
155mm Howitzer...huh. I'll see if they have a policy against that on their website...and can you imagine the size of the orange plug that would have to cover THAT barrel? hehehe
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I may pick up one of these too to see the difference between the Airsplat version & these. Definitely better than the $90 + S&H range on Airsplat.
It ends up being more on eBay in most cases. Just be sure to check the shipping and handling.
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The 76th web site application link is not yet operating, but I have puut together my own Browncoat impression, as a sniper. I have taken an Crossman air rifle, lengthened the barrel, added a scope and a few other items. I'm on the West Coast in the Bay area, and wouuld be intested in supporting an impression of the 76th out here.
Unfortunately, real life keeps getting in the way of me updating the site. I will hopefully get an update in on wednesday, and if not, I won't be around again until saturday. Next week will be when I'm available for faster updates.
As it stands, anyone that is interested should just send me or Tristan and email (they're on the site) giving us the last name you want to use (real or made up) hometown (city, state, country) and callsign (usually your handle on here). Also include any pertinant infomation you think we's need/want to know (past military experiecne, fan related activities, etc.).
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I got it on GOOD authority that the triangular patch with the star is supposed to be 'point end down', which makes the star 'right side up'...so, if that is true, then shouldn't the star on the newly designed patch for the 76th also show the star 'point end up'? I was told that the one time the patch is shown 'base end down, with the star upside down' was a mistake...poor dresser...big boo boo. So, I really hope those patches haven't been ordered yet!!
Yeah the Visual Companion mentions this, though I think the patch looked better pint up anyway. And though it may be wrong, it has become the widely accepted visualization of the patch. I know how Joss intended it, but I know what we saw and I decided to take both of those into account when making the patch. I do appreciate the input though, that's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for when it comes to everything I'm doing regarding the 76th, so thank you.
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Oh, I did give Nathan the info on the 76th, and the desire that he lead the group, he seemed all for it, only mentioning that he 'didn't have anything to wear'...so...gauntlet has been thrown!! Someone should start work on something for the Captain!! I'm very sorry that I didn't even THINK of speaking to Shawna about the costumes...I totally forgot!! I even opened a door for her and spoke to her briefly when she arrived...I got side tracked when she had the Illyria costume out and I found out I was right about how it was constructed. Forgive this costuming fangurl.
Nor fogiveness needed, you've done more than I hoped. Is there any way someone can contact Shawna either online or offline to see what can be done? Thank you so much for getting the word to him.
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BrownCoat1, if there is any possibility of Nathan being there, I will have a uniform ready for him. No problem at all!
BWTP, thanks for the update! RL always gets in the way of things, eh?
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High dollar toys to shoot plastic pellets doesn't seem right to me, but some of these guys take airsoft really seriously. Met a guy on another board a couple of years ago. He was in Missouri and was in some sort of airsoft league. They were real strict about gear & guns. This guy posted pics and it looked like a pic right out of Iraq. He had the latest desert camo BDUs (military Basic Duty Uniform), desert boots, kevlar helmet w/ desert cover, shooters goggles, an M4 airsoft gun that set him back nearly $500.00, plus the combat rig & ALICE pack. He had over $1,500.00 into the outfit. To each their own. Guess some might look upon us as odd for putting together a fictional unit based on a cancelled tv show.
I imagine it would be a lot of plastic to plug a 155. Sure would be worth it for the awe factor though, huh? Imagine a salute fired on that bad boy. 
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BWTP:
Thanks for the tip. The couple I just checked seemed to be $20-30 for S&H. It would seem it is cheaper just to go through Airsplat. I will have to check the gun show next weekend as they have a vendor that sells a ton of airsoft guns cheap. Got my son a P90 airsoft gun there a few months back.
Tristan:
I figured you might be persuaded to have a little something for Nathan.
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Huh. I guess there are really obsessed people out there, eh? Wait a minute...what's so odd about creating a fictional unit based on a cancelled TV show? We all know it will be back some day...who knows, we may get well-known enough that we'll all get hired as extras for some of the new episodes!
Hey, a guy can dream, right?
Oh, yeah...that salute would really blow out some windows! Hehehe, the 501st who, again?
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I know Saxon gave us an update already, but I thought I'd paste what her post from the OB, as there's a little bit more info. Here it is:
"BUT, I totally forgot that there were questions for Shawna! I had more of an opportunity to speak to her, and it just wasn't in my head! Oh, I did find out one thing...on the flyer, the triangular patch is sitting "base down", and it should be "point down". Apparently in one shot it is shown base down and that was wrong...the way it is supposed to be is point down. So, everyone should take note of that and make sure they use it correctly. AND since the newly designed '76 patch has the star in the same orientation as with the 'upside down triangle', the star should probably be set 'right side up. In other words, the star is upside down on the new '76 patch. I got that from Ray, who works very closely with Shawna.
So...that should probably be addressed before they order a bunch of patches!! (hope it's not too late).
Now, to describe how it went down with Nathan. I was at the club in Hollywood, it was extremely crowded, and Nathan had just gone to the restroom and was trying to get back through the crowd...I put myself in his path, and had the flyer ready. I gave it to him, explained what was going on...it was very loud in there, but some of what he said was, "How many are there?" which I replied, "the group is new, but growing every day...I can't go, but I'm a costumer so I wanted to help spread the word". I told him that the group has two desires, second to outnumber the Storm Troopers 501, to which he said, "They have a f'in lot of people!", and firsly, they want YOU, their Capt. to lead them!! He nodded and said, 'yeah sure, but I don't have anything to wear'. To which I replied, "If you could do it, I KNOW that you'd definately have something to wear!". I told him the talent I'd seen in this group is on par with professionals...it would look great.
I then told him about his causing my addiction to "Rings of Orbis" to which he gave me a thumbs up, and then told me that his friend PJ is taking the books and games into schools and how great that was going. I thanked him, and he walked off with the flyer in his hand...I wish I'd been able to see him in a saner place during a more coherent moment...but I did the best I could!
We need try to follow up, and any time Nathan does an appearance someplace, to keep him reminded and up to date on things."
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Boomer, thank you for that!
Would you mind posting a link to the OB in here so we can see what's going on over there, too? Sounds like there is a 76th thread over there, as well? If so, I'd like to register and start posting.
I do hope you all understand about the design of the patch. I think BWTP put it pretty well in his last post.
And Saxon, thank you again for the flyer, too! I envy the fact that you got to talk to the Captain, and that you had the presence of mind to hand him something! I would have just been brain-dead!
As to keeping him updated, I'll go ahead and send him a message through MySpace as the CO of the 76th. Let's see if he responds!
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Well, I just emailed the Captain. Let's see what happens, eh? If he does respond, y'all will be the second ones to know!
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do my eyes decieve me or are the "stripes" on this guy's vest actually vest pouches?
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This is about the only link I have to the OB. If it doesn't work, let me know.
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Long time no post. Caught wind of the 76th from Tristan's posting on cosplay.com First I just want to say I'm glad that someone grabbed the Independents Unit idea and was able to run with it and make it work. It was lonely for the few of us that put together uniforms before all this.
Anyhow, the soldier I put together (ya'll might have seen the series of photos I posted a couple months back) won't be making it to the 76th. I shudder at the prospect of sewing patches onto that oiled leather coat, and armbands just don't hang right...
But the 76th would just have to settle for having its first squad machine gunner (if they'll have'm) I got myself a 1:1 scale resin replica of an M-60. I think I can pull together a nice original design that will go with it for the unit.
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Hi all my comrades in arms... I am... well... I'm sitting at a computer in Australia drooling over the pictures of the costumes, and dreaming of putting mine together ...and also thinking that I need to get to Atlanta early so I can get rid of my jet-lag before I hit D*C for real!!
I cannot wait! 260 more days if I remember correctly!!!
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For any 76ers arriving to D*C early...hubby and I have plans to get into Atlanta on Wednesday the 29th. We'll have our cellphone(s) with us (of course). Happy to meet up with any other early arrivals.
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Same goes for me, though I plan on getting in late wednesday/early thursday. I will have my cell with me and will be happy to give it to those coming early.
Magda, about how long is the flight over from Australia? When I was flying from Germany to the States and back in my Army days what I would do is sleep as much as I could on the plane (not always possible, I know) and then get a 2 hour nap in when I arrived. Then I'd force myself to wake up and not fall asleep until that night. Doesn't work for everyone, but it might help.
I wish D*C would hurry up and get here. I actually wish we started putting this together closer to the event because I'm afraid we're going to lose some of our fervor as we get closer.
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Anyhow, the soldier I put together (ya'll might have seen the series of photos I posted a couple months back) won't be making it to the 76th. I shudder at the prospect of sewing patches onto that oiled leather coat, and armbands just don't hang right...
I don't disagree with that sentiment. I'd never expect someone to sew the patch onto leather because I know I wouldn't myself. We could definately figure something out in the time to come.
Oh, and before I forget, you wouldn't have, by chance, served in the US Army and trained as a 96B at Ft. Huachuca, AZ would you have?
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Evening, 76th!
LostThought, there are pouches on his belt, but the stripes on his vest are just that. The evst looks like it is un-latched and the folds may look like pockets. (Sorry...learned to look at details from costume training)
Boomer, thank you for the link!
Techie! Welcome! I was hoping you'd show up here. I posted a response over in Cosply to you, but I'll put it here, too.
I understand about the coat...I am designing some cloth versions of the coat Mal wore, as well as the vest.
As far as the weapon, that is one thing we are strict on. We are sticking to versions of the H&K G36...we are doing this to avoid having things like M16's and AK47's show up. While that is one shint looking M60, it does not really fit in with the guidlines of the 76th. There are LMG versions of the G36 available if you are interested in being a gunner. The only alteration in weapons would be for the snipers.
We would love to have you as a member, but the M60 is not something we could let slide. I hope you understand.
We would love to have another Machine Gunner...I know that LostThought had that idea, too, but you can never have enough fire support!
Hiya, Magda! Thanks for popping in! Do you have any hints, comments, advice, input on anything you have seen so far?
Boomer (again)...I don't think I'll be making it there until Friday afternoon or night...but the idea of exchanging cell phone numbers before the actual date would be a wonderful idea!
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Babywiththepower, sorry, I'm just a posuer soldier picking up tac gear at surplus and airsofts on the cheap for costuming.
Tristan, well, I will have to respectively decline joining the 76th. I picked up the pig for two specific costumes, 2nd. Lt Jean Havoc (full metal alchemist) and the original design Browncoat Gunner I've had puttering around in my mind for some time now. After dropping the cash for it, I can't imagine doing the costume and not using it.
Nothing personal, and I wish the unit all the luck, but we costumers can be stubborn.
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TechieCL, I understand totally. I am a costumer as well.
I do hope you will be marching at D*C, though?
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Babywiththepower, sorry, I'm just a posuer soldier picking up tac gear at surplus and airsofts on the cheap for costuming.
Man, it's uncanny then. You're a spitting image of my old roomate from AIT. I just had to ask.
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Greetings Tristan and Comrades:
Got some questions and suggestions but mostly observations.
Firstly,love the vest!That style is more appealing to me than the other more busy one.Did you say you were working on the knee length coat that goes under the vest?Would love to see what you've done with that.Everbody's so gorram industrious,it's downright inspirational!On the subject matter of the triangle patches:we absolutely should wear them patch point up,star point down like they did in the show.It may have been a mistake,but if the BDH's wore them like that,then that's good enough for me!
So,how many of us are there?I'm thinkin' we're probably platoon strength at this point;a platoon consisting of between two and five squads,with about ten men each to a squad.The reason I'm bringing this up,is that TechieCL is right,there ought to be one heavy weapon to a squad and at the very least one per platoon.I'm thinking maybe a mortar or a heavy machine gun,something World War Oneish!does anyone happen to have a watercooled Maxim or a Hotchkiss or a Vickers kicking around the house?
Speaking generally,the impression I get of the Independents is one of a loose confederation having common interests with a well funded levied army very likely raised by planet or by nobles/warlords.I seem to remember Joss envisioning something analogous to the C.S.A..Personally,I keep getting reminded of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade in the Spanish Civil War.
I'm not sure exactly what those"Air Tank Squads" mentioned in the show are,but I'm thinkin'that they and any kind of "rollers",i.e. tanks,would have been precious and possibly have consisted to some degree of looted or otherwise "requisitioned" Alliance materiel repainted with Independent markings.While I was watching the deleted scenes from the pilot(yet again),It occured to me that those "Air Tank Squadrons" must have been precious indeed that they were willing to abandon sixteen Brigades rather than risk losing any of their air power!Men were probably the only expendable resource the Independents had.
Yes,I am aware that I've spent a considerable amount of time analyzing a purely fictional military organization.It is possible I may be a nerd.
BTW,in an earlier post I said that I would volunteer to be an officer.I didn't mean to be presumptuous,but considering that officers were looked on quite poorly by the grunts in the show,I didn't think there would be any other takers.I was wrong.I really just want to march.That's what matters most.
Canter & Magdalena: I'm in total awe of the two of you coming from so far to march with us.I can't wait to meet you!
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I am so sorry that I didn't write these questions down!! I was surprised when I saw the Browncoat up close that it had some interesting metal clasps. Has anyone heard from Shawna? Send me a list of questions, and I'll see if I can get the answers, k?
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As I've stated before, she's always been very helpful with any questions I've had for her. Just give me a list of questions to ask.
I know there was a question about the vest closure...others? I can try to get answers.
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Firstly,love the vest!That style is more appealing to me than the other more busy one.Did you say you were working on the knee length coat that goes under the vest?Would love to see what you've done with that.Everbody's so gorram industrious,it's downright inspirational!On the subject matter of the triangle patches:we absolutely should wear them patch point up,star point down like they did in the show.It may have been a mistake,but if the BDH's wore them like that,then that's good enough for me!
I agree completely. Mal had it star point down, and I will follow his example.
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So,how many of us are there?I'm thinkin' we're probably platoon strength at this point;a platoon consisting of between two and five squads,with about ten men each to a squad.The reason I'm bringing this up,is that TechieCL is right,there ought to be one heavy weapon to a squad and at the very least one per platoon.I'm thinking maybe a mortar or a heavy machine gun,something World War Oneish!does anyone happen to have a watercooled Maxim or a Hotchkiss or a Vickers kicking around the house?
I don't think we're that big yet. If we're lucky, we're 20 members, and not all of them will be at D*C. The reason we're sticking to our guns, to coin a phrase, in the weapon department is simple; uniformity. We don't want everyone showing up with their own weapons and us, as a whole, looking like a cluster f*ck. This isn't just a couple random fans meeting up at a con to look cool. We're trying to organize a cohesive unit here. It's amature now, for sure, but we hope to be more than that someday. And in order to do that we're going to have to have some level of uniformity. We're already going to have a large mix of G36 varients and I think that's enough. The snipers get there own weapons, and even those I'd like to find a common rifle and have them all stick to it. Maybe in time. As it stand, our numbers are way too small to be creating whole platoons of units.
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Yes,I am aware that I've spent a considerable amount of time analyzing a purely fictional military organization.It is possible I may be a nerd.
Not at all. Even if you are, you're in good company, because the same could be said about us.
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BTW,in an earlier post I said that I would volunteer to be an officer.I didn't mean to be presumptuous,but considering that officers were looked on quite poorly by the grunts in the show,I didn't think there would be any other takers.I was wrong.I really just want to march.That's what matters most.
Well, all volunteers start out as Privates to be fair. Based on contributions to the unit and on the decision of Tristan and myself (and as we get bigger, that decision will be made by others) promotions will be given out. And the only office rwe see alive in the series is the one that locked up, the other was a corpse. They did talk about their one commander with the mustache, but that's about it. In military environs, the troops only hate the officers if they're shitbags that are incapable of doing their jobs.
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Canter & Magdalena: I'm in total awe of the two of you coming from so far to march with us.I can't wait to meet you!
A sentiment I share.
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I would love to have that 76th Avatar as part of my signature if I knew how! Somebody please help.
That's easy, reply to this post with quotes, and pull the html link that follows and paste it in your sig: (it'll appear as the image on the page)
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Time for more comments on my costume.
As already mentioned, being the demo man, my outfit will be stripped back in terms of protective gear (ie no helmet, and possibly the smock instead of the coat, although I'd probably go without the mail sleeves when I wear the coat), and carrying the carbine variant of the G36 (or just a cut-back shotgun), as I'll be loaded down with grenades, IEDs and the like. Although it's not as applicable for battles like Serenity valley, where there'd be room for mortars and rpgs to deal with rollers (tanks), in the urban battles it'd be more likely that my role would include trying to sneak up on a roller to plant a sticky-bomb or the like on it (or leave the odd landmine out if I had any available).
Which raises a question. Would I be more likely to use a basic IED to destroy the roller, or something more along the lines of an EMP bomb to disable it, allowing us to potentially scavenge documents/gear/etc from inside it, once the crew had been dealt with?
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Well, that depends wholly on the mission at hand. What should be considered instead is what your uniform would look like in a parade. Remember, we're going for a clean look, unworn by combat. At this point you would most likely have issued equipment and it would be clean and ordered. This is of course, only in regards to the parade. Once that's done and you're walking around the con, anything you add or take away is completely up to you. Tristan, if you have issue with this, please let me know. Also, go with the G36 carbine, not the shotgun. Weaponry is the one item we're being pretty adamant about.
As far as being demolitions and trimming back on the protective gear, I kinda have to ask why? Wouldn't it make more sense that the guy with the bombs would be armored? Your helmet would have a face shield, you'd be wearing a ballistic vest and leg/crotch armor. This is of course from a modern military, realistic sense, and I am in no way suggesting that you reimagine your entire costume, but it's something to think about.
Anyway, my shift is almost over, and I have to get ready for turnover. More to come when I get a chance.
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The way I see it is less weight equals faster movement. I wouldn't want to be getting slowed down by armour while trying to dash (or sneak) around planting IEDs. Plus I think that the guys with the full body armour and face shields are more likely to be the ones trying to defuse the bombs, or the heavy weapons types, but that's just my viewpoint.
In terms of the weaponry, I only raised the idea of the shotgun as an alternative, but since I'm unlikely to be supplying my own firearms, it's somewhat of a moot point.
And thank you for mentioning parade uniform vs general con uniform. If my funds stretch far enough, I'll probably wear the type A uniform (coat, helmet) with just a small amount of demo gear in belt pouches or a satchel / backpack for the parade. My con uniform will be a personalised version of the type B uniform (incorporating various details I've mentioned in earlier posts).
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Good Morning 76th! For some reason, the site seems to work better earlier in the day so I won't be posting too much today (damn broadband service!) Tristan: I believe your earlier post regarding vest closures is correct; most were held closed by belts, straps, etc. and I haven't heard back from my e-mail to Shawna about what was used so I'm thinking no closures? Got my D*C membership confirmation in the mail over the weekend; planning to arrive Thursday...will be happy to share cell phone#'s to connect with other 'coats and assist with off-loading gear. I'm not worried about anybody losing fervor as we've still got close to 9 months to go...browncoats are the best fans in the world!!
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Agreeing with Sister, I see our numbers and the excitement growing as more folks costumes get closer to completion and posted, once they see how its coming together our numbers will grow.
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Morning, all!
Looks like I have some catching up to do!
Saxon, as for the buckles on Mal's coat, I actually researched the heck out of them and hand-built some close approximations (I think so, anyway! )...but I don't want to use something like that on the vest. I would love to find out what the costume designer had planned, though...I have been going over the scenes again, and I swear they don't have closures...
NaughtyMan, thank you for the props on the vest! And yes, I am working on both the knee-length short-sleeved coat that goes under the vest and the long coat that goes over the vest. In the first post of this thread is a brief description of each of the two "Types" of uniform.
As far as the weapons go, we are sticking to variants of the H&K G36, as they cover the gauntlet from short assault rifle all the way through SMG. That is the one thing that has bothered me in the past about groupings of soldiers...generally, they did not look the same and all were carrying different weapons. We are aiming for a uniform look here...an organized body of soldiers...to do that requires some semblance of uniformity in weapons and gear. Personalization is not going to be totally ruled out, but we would rather have a group that looks good together.
I see that BWTP has put it much more eloquently than I did. So, what he said combined with what I said.
NaughtyMan, thank you for the research into a purely fictional military! We are right there with you! It is this kind of enthusiasm that will make this group phenomenal.
I also stand with the decision on the ranking procedure. We do take "applications" via email. If you have contributions to make, please let us know that way.
Nico, that outfit is sounding good. May I suggest the cut-down version of the G36? The Double Eagle gun pulls down to a very short, pistol-grip version (I think I suggested this to RIMG, too). It would be small enough to be out of the way and still fit in with the weapon uniformity we are going for. Matter of fact, I should have an extra one by then if you are interested. I know you are coming from a long way away (thank you!) and don't have as easy access to them.
I don't have an issue with what people do after the parade. I would like to keep up the look, though, in terms of the weapons, etc. Hopefully, as we wander around in groups and such, we will be stopped for photo ops...so the closer we remain to the parade look, the better. By all means, ditch the helmets and bulkier equipment, but I would really like to keep the basic look. As I have no right to demand this, please only look at it as a suggestion.
Sister, thank you for that info on the vests. That makes good sense, not having closures. I kept going over the screen caps and watching the flashback scenes, and was having a hard time seeing how they were closed. So, I think not having closures would be just fine by me. And good on the D*C membership! That's something I am going to have to get ahold of pretty soon.
Are there any objections to this from anyone? I am now planning on not having closures on the vests.
I am also very much looking forward to the nine months ahead! This is going to be a great Con, and we are going to be one good-looking group of soldiers! Chiseled jaws (in the case of the men, of course)...too pretty to die!
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Mornin' 76th!
Looks like a lot has been posted since I checked in yesterday. Good to see the ideas still flying and discussion going on. This is shaping up to be one fine unit.
Techie. Glad to see you here bud. Wish you would sign on, but I understand wanting to carry that pig. She is one sweet looking weapon. I do have to agree with Tristan & BWTP though that we are going for a unified look w/ the weapons and uniforms. I hope that things change between now and DC & you can find the funds to get a G36C and march with us. I think I speak for all of us when I say we would love to have you with us. You are a top notch costumer/cosplayer and we could all benefit from your input and participation.
I checked online and it appears the next gun show in town is not until January 13th & 14th. As I posted before there is a vendor that rents 4 tables and wall space there for all of his airsoft products. I remember seeing the G36C & G36K at his tables last time I went back in March. I will check in with him next month to see what he has. The G36K I have on order should be here next week, but I may pick up a couple extras in case they are needed by other 76ers.
There is also a military surplus warehouse a few miles from here that I will be going by this weekend. I am going to go there to price out subdued insignias, helmets, and other items we have been discussing. My wife is friends with the owners son, so maybe I can swing a deal with him. I'll keep you posted.
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BrownCoat1, morning!
I agree about Techie, but I do understand where he's coming from. I am dying to see the M60 in person, though, so I do hope he plans on marching!
As for the rest, if you do come across a good deal on the G36's, let me know. If you pick up a few extra, I may buy them from you....assuming you would sell, of course. I already have the two, and they are very addictive...the next one will be the K version from airsplat, depending on your "review".
And thanks for keeping an eye out for the insignia, etc. If you do happen across a large number of helmets, email either me or BWTP. We had chosen a Russian design for looks and price, but if they can at least match the price and have a good supply, it may be worth looking it to.
I don't know that this was discussed, but the helmet finish we are looking for is rough...not the smooth, shiny NATO-type look.
Thanks again!
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Good evening all!
I'm just looking in quickly to see how things are going, and I'm amazed. You seem to be almost ready to march. I've got some catching up to do. (I just *love* that patch!!!)
I want to start building the uniform, (building...it's such an interesting word....) and I'm curious about the coat. I've always assumed that the Independents had brown coats like the one always worn by Mal, as part of their uniform. The dark brown one.
But from the pictures about the battles of Du Kang and Serenity Valley, his coat looks more like a woollen, woven coat, almost like the traditional second world war coats. It's also a bit lighter in colour, almost the same colour as his pants. So which one will form part of our uniform? I'm having mine made when I visit my parents in a week's time...my mom is a wizard with sewing, and I want to get it right.
Anyway, I can't stay, I have to actually be somewhere else right now, and still have to drive there. But I'll look in tomorrow.
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Canter, hi! Thanks for popping in!
The coat I am basing my design off of (and will be offering for sale and possibly the pattern, too...we'll see how that goes) is a straight-cut single-breasted long coat. It is NOT a trench coat. I have several long coats in my closet, and the Independent coats don't match any of them. The best shots of the coat I am trying to recreate are in the flashback scenes from The Message. I have a working pattern right now, and am in the process of creating a shell. I should be able to post photos some time next week so y'all can get the general idea. The color is a light brown, close to a Khaki. I am currently using a cotton duck, but it may be too "stiff", so I may have to switch to a different fabric. I am sticking to the non-wool cloth for several reasons, cost and heat factor are the major ones...our first parade will be in downtown Atlanta in September...and it gets a bit warm. My ultimate goal is to have a lined and unlined version available for sale within a month or so. Same goes for the "smock" (I need a better word for that!) that goes under the vest for the Type B uniform, ala Zoe.
If nothing else, as I know there are people who already have coats in mind, is the color and basic cut. These are supposed to be uniforms, more or les, so they should at least all look similar. I would hate to have a dozen different shades and cuts of coat marching down the street. I am sort of stuck here...I would love to be able to build everyone's coat, but I don't want people not to march because they think they HAVE to buy my coats. That is why I will probably also offer the pattern to the members of the 76th along with the finished coats as close to cost as I can absorb. I would also be willing to allow other sewers access to the pattern so there are several of us making them at the same time. I need input on that from the other stitchers in here.
Does this sound reasonable to everyone? Again, keep in mind that we are trying to present a uniform, united Battalion that is relatively fresh, which would mean clothing and equipment is still sort of new and shiny.
Thank you!
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Sounds great to me on the coat, Col. Tristan, sir! Since I'm happy to be a private, I'll await word on the 'smock' thingy. A while back you asked if burlap would be okay...and while it's scratchy as hell..and difficult to hem, (I think as I am violently opposed and allergic to needle and threadishness)...it does appear to look like the fabric. And..with long-sleeved teeshirts/etc. the scratchyness issue could be solved. I bow to the more experienced.
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Thank you, Sister!
I have been looking at different types of fabric for the "smocks", and while burlap seems to be what they are, I agree about the PIA it is to deal with. I am thinking of something like what I am using for the coat right now...a cotton duck. It's a stiffer material, and the thread pattern is a bit more visible. Thank you for the input! I will be posting the smock when I get a mock-up done...which should be a week or so after the coat.
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Seeing as the independents were stretched over multiple planets, I would not be surprised to see variation from area to area on the color of the cloth, think about it the border planets do not seem to have the manufacturing capabilities of the central planets, and everything seems rather homespun or made, makes sens that if the war started that alliance would cut off shipments to the rim and folks would make do with what is on hand, that means handdying fabric, its much easier to transmit a pattern and have things made locally if push came to shove...
just a thought
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ArtCat, thank you. I had not thought about that. Huh!
I would still like to keep everything as close as possible, though. Again, to the theoreticals of the formation of the 76th:
We may have been from different planets, but the muster and formation would have been on one of them. This would mean, hopefully, a collection of indentical or near-identical uniforms, helmets, etc. Recruits would still have personal items such as pistols, knives, pouches and bags, but the majority of the gear would be issued by the Independents. As we are creating a "newer" Battalion, I would think this would be the case...but again, I realize that we will be coming from all over the world, so the best we can hope for is coordinating uniforms with a few of the basics identical.
Good thought, ArtCat. That's going to have me pondering for awhile!
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Seeing as the independents were stretched over multiple planets, I would not be surprised to see variation from area to area on the color of the cloth...
There is a Late Great Unpleasantness... ahem, Civil War... historical precedent. The Confederacy had a basic shell coat pattern, which was adopted by the several state armories. However, each armory put out coats with slight variations in color, trim, buttons, both because of supply issues and to emphasize the independence of the states of the Confederacy.
In fact, CW re-enactors seek sutlers who will reproduce the shellcoat from the armory of their unit whereever possible.
So. Our uniforms are supposed to represent a unit at the start of the Serenity Valley campaign. Nonetheless, some degree of mild color variation is well within the Civil-War-like art direction which Joss' team was working with.
MILD color variation. No Confederate *ever* wanted a blue shellcoat, after all. ;-)
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DocJubal, ya know, I think you may have gotten it figured out! Thank you! That would make things so much easier!
Ok, so, if I offer the pattern to the members of the 76th that do not want to purchase a pre-made one from me, would that be an acceptable alternative to us all having a different "cut" of coat?
I am going to start a new thread, and I will make this the first discussion over there. I would really like input into this from everyone.
Give me a little bit, I'll be back with a new thread link.
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Tristan, you made me laugh....working on your "smock-up". That may not be what you typed, but that's what was in my head.
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Boomer, I totally missed that opportunity! "Smock-up"! I'll have to use that in the future!
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More discussions and decisions to follow!
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