The Third HEROES thread

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REGINAROADIE

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM (P)

Hey All

The last HEROES thread was getting too long, so I decided to start a new one.

What did you guys think of last nights ep? Loved every minute of it myself. Hiro's museum robbery was funny, although I know already that it was a futile effort ("I'm going to take it back.") although the symbol on the sword does add another intriguing piece to the puzzle. And I like how Nathan ("FLYING MAN!!") is slowly coming around to the fact that he is involved in all this and is coming around to accepting his powers.

I like that this ep ("GODSEND") touches slightly on the idea that some perceive their powers as divine intervention, especially coming from the Hatian. Maybe he's the Nightcrawler of the show. Perceived as the bad guy, but is in fact highly devout. And of course the last line of the ep ("Who needs God when you got me?") is a Joss worthy line.

And even though Chris Eccleston only showed up in the last 30 seconds, he definitly made an entrance. I can't think of an invisible superhero. Or do you think he'll be a bad guy? Either way...

You know you're in geek paradise when Doctor Who and Mr. Sulu guest on your show.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:20 PM (P)

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
What did you guys think of last nights ep? Loved every minute of it myself. Hiro's museum robbery was funny, although I know already that it was a futile effort ("I'm going to take it back.") although the symbol on the sword does add another intriguing piece to the puzzle.

Well, I think it's interesting that yet another hero has been tied to Linderman (who, by the way, we know nearly nothing about). I'm looking forward to a slow reveal of Linderman and his intentions.

What I thought was most interesting was the Haitian's interaction with Claire and Claire's dad's (what's his name again?) interaction with Mohinder. I'm beginning to think that Claire's dad's organization isn't the real bad guy after all--I think it's Linderman. I think that maybe at the end of season one, we'll have a reveal on Linderman, and the heroes will start working with Claire's dad's org.

Meh. Just a thought.

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CAUSAL

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:21 PM (P)

Mmm...double-post-y goodness...

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:54 PM (P)

That was awesome.

And now we know where the symbol comes from. "Godsend" indeed.

I loved when Hiro, Isaac, and Nathan all met. I cheered.

I'm starting to like the Haitian. He's so deliberate and articulate (and I love the religious undertones). Seems like he genuinely wants to do good.

So Ted's training himself. And if he's in the desert near Nevada, that's probably the last place Peter should be heading.

Christopher Eccleston was unrecognizable. Is that beard real?

Glad to see more Claire/Zack sparkage. I'm upset that NBC made them rewrite Zack's sexuality (pre-memory-wipe he was gay, post-wipe he's going to be characterized as straight), but I do have to admit; he and Claire make a cute couple. Here's hoping the writers are bold enough to actually make a subplot of it (as opposed to just retconning that he's always been straight).

And for those curious:
http://www.primatechpaper.com/

This is Mr. Bennet's company website. Click the "jobs" tag and it asks you for an entry code (which was written on the back of the card he gave to Mohinder, but has not yet been revealed).

Also, a new comic is up:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_017.shtml

Another multi-parter, this time focusing on Ted --and Hana (who is still using her real name)! It looks to happen after this week's episode.

Heh. Ted's "awesome superhero nickname" is teddiebear616.

No luck finding the Easter Egg this week either. Keep your eyes peeled.

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DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:43 PM (P)

Enjoyed yesterday's episode, but, as usual, hungry for more.

I'm liking Chirstopher Eccleston so far, even though you only see him for a short while. He kind of reminds me of The Invisble Man from The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. And was I the only one who didn't recognize him until he smiled?

I'm worried about Peter. Is the path he going on leading him to the right answers? It seems like at this point, he could end up on either side of the fence.

I don't think Claire's going to be in Texas for much longer. At some point, she's going to start looking for answers, ones that the Haitian and (obviously) her father can't give her. And I'm still not sold on Claire's dad being one of the good-guys. Whatever he's planning, it's not for the good of anyone.

I'm really wondering how they're going to bring Matt back into the story. As it stands, he's kind of stuck as long as he remains in Los Angeles. If they were going to unite him with a character, geographically speaking, the closest is D.L. and Micah (I'm leaving out Nikki since she seems to be on a downward spiral). But they don't seem like the most likely matchup. Perhaps he'll find his way back to Texas to confront Claire's dad.

It seems like the character's are dividing into teams, almost. An east coast and west coast group, kind of like the Avengers. Though at least two of the members on the west coast side seem to be potential villians (Nikki/Jessica and Ted). This show does a good job of posing a lot more questions than answers (but at least it's not as bad as Lost).

Whew. Okay, I'll shut up now.

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DAYVE

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:02 PM (P)

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
This show does a good job of posing a lot more questions than answers (but at least it's not as bad as Lost).

I agree about the Lost series – they may have lost me on that one – or it seems that the writers are the ones that are truly lost…..

As for Heroes – I just noticed a commentary track included with the episodes on the web site: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/commentary.shtml

I don’t know if any deep secrets were revealed, but it is kinda cool.

DARKJESTER

Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:03 PM (P)

Cybersnark posted

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Glad to see more Claire/Zack sparkage. I'm upset that NBC made them rewrite Zack's sexuality (pre-memory-wipe he was gay, post-wipe he's going to be characterized as straight), but I do have to admit; he and Claire make a cute couple. Here's hoping the writers are bold enough to actually make a subplot of it (as opposed to just retconning that he's always been straight).

Maybe I missed something - where was it said (besides an implication by a snarky cheerleader) that Zack is/was gay? I thought he had a from-afar puppydog crush on Claire, which was why he started helping her.

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CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:44 AM (P)

I think it was a press release from the writers. They're the ones who confirmed that

*webdives*

Ah, here we go:

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2006/12/heroes.html

Links there to explore the whole business.

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LIGHTMEDARK

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:17 AM (P)

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
And was I the only one who didn't recognize him until he smiled?

I didn't even recognize him then. He plays Doctor Who, right? I don't watch that show (tried an episode, didn't like it).

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:
Maybe I missed something - where was it said (besides an implication by a snarky cheerleader) that Zack is/was gay? I thought he had a from-afar puppydog crush on Claire, which was why he started helping her.

That’s a good point. I kept wondering why Zack really gave that much of a shit about a bitchy stuck-up cheerleader if he was gay, yet the gay innuendo was undeniable. I think the character works better if he’s not gay, so I don’t share the opinion that the apparent reversal is a bad thing.

I also continue to stand by Mr. Bennett. I think he is essentially a good guy who is playing hardball. He knows things others do not, and while his actions may be ethically questionable, he believes that we he is doing will serve a greater good in a secret battle against a great evil. This is not just my observation of the character, but it is also Coleman’s interpretation, who has stated in a TV guide interview that he envisioned Bennett as a “50s Cold War warrior,” harkening back to the US-Soviet clandestine warfare. Linderman may turn out to be the real villain here, the “Stalinists,” so to speak, in Bennett’s “Cold War.”

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CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:19 AM (P)

I don't really care one way or another about Zack's sexuality either, really (well, aside from "visible gay character in a serious prime time non-sitcom" versus "potential shippage with Claire"). I'm just mad about another example of suits interfering with writers doing what they're paid to do. Professional indignation.

And yeah, Bennet is just doing what he thinks is right. I'm hoping he has an eye-opening experience (like, say, Claire [whom he sincerely loves] openly rebelling, causing him to question exactly what he's doing) and redeems himself.

He's in the perfect position to play Professor X (access to mutants, head of a powerful secret organization, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good).

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DERANGEDMILK

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:34 AM (P)

Well, I'm definitely thinking Lindermen is a "bad guy." I'm not sure who would argue the other side of that. It'd be one incredible twist if he turned out to be an Xavier type character, but I really don't see how that could happen given his Casino, shady-money dealings front.

I have a lot of hope invested in Mr. Bennett's character. It seems as though we're entering a very polarized era of television. On one side complete, unintelligent garbage and on the other brilliant, challenging dynamic programming. BSG and Heroes are the two shows I identify most as being on the good side of this. Why does this relate to Bennett's character? Because if they keep him as ambigous then they keep things real. Not everyone should fall into the good camp or the bad camp. Most real people do good and bad things, and it keeps his character believable if he remains a wild card. If he was completely evil I think he would have shot Mohinder. If he was good he'd be doing a lot of things different. Ultimately it seems that he has fairly good intention but very unethical practices.

I could care less whether Zack is gay or not but I hope to god NBC didn't make the writers change whatever they originally intended b/c they wimped out on a diversity thing.

My favorite part was probably Hiro stealing the sword and the meeting in the artist's apartment.
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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:54 AM (P)

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I don't really care one way or another about Zack's sexuality either, really (well, aside from "visible gay character in a serious prime time non-sitcom" versus "potential shippage with Claire"). I'm just mad about another example of suits interfering with writers doing what they're paid to do. Professional indignation.

And yeah, Bennet is just doing what he thinks is right. I'm hoping he has an eye-opening experience (like, say, Claire [whom he sincerely loves] openly rebelling, causing him to question exactly what he's doing) and redeems himself.

He's in the perfect position to play Professor X (access to mutants, head of a powerful secret organization, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good).

I’ve frequently thought that Mr. Bennett’s first name might be Charles, which was Xavier’s first name, but if Bennett is to become the representation of Xavier, he will be much more like the dark and conflicted Xavier of the comics and less like that from the movies. But I think you’re right that Mr. Bennett will come to regret some of his actions, but I also think that Claire is naïve. So when the inevitable clash between father and daughter comes, I think both will have to grow. The Haitian poses a problem though, because he has now positioned himself between Bennett and his daughter, which has proven to be a dangerous place to be, but the Haitian seems be the backbone of Bennett’s power (especially after losing Eden), so that will also be an interesting clash. I don’t know where this Haitian dude stands, but seventeen year old cheerleaders are easy to manipulate even when their father’s dubious surreptitious activities can’t be used against her. The Haitian might not be as benign as his collected manner makes him appear.

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REGINAROADIE

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:13 AM (P)

I second that completely. I was really baffled when this minor controversy erupted. In all the previous eps, I never saw any concrete evidence that Zack was gay. Just because you're a film geek and you get gay slander from the popular students doesn't make you gay. I should know. I pretty much lived that through high school. And while I loved Claire for sticking up for him and befriending him, I resent that TV idea that the only time a straight girl can have a platonic male friend is if he's gay.

So yes, I am a Zack/Claire shipper (although I wouldn't mind seeing her hook up with Peter). And if Zack turns out to be straight (which is what I thought all along anyways), then fine. I have bigger concerns about the show than the sexuality of a minor character.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:50 PM (P)

Ok, liked Christopher Eccleston on the show & I just knew he was invisible. Soon as I realized he is robbing people and no one seems to notice except Peter I told the wife "Yep. He's invisible." Cool that Peter immediately absorbed his power by being in proximity to him. I believe that is the only reason Peter could see him to begin with. Eccleston's character appears to be homeless. Anyone else get that impression? A play on how people ignore the homeless and treat them as non-entities so his power is invisibility?

I like the fact that the Haitian didn't mindwipe Claire. She certainly is playing it cool around her "father". Old spectales doesn't seem to be any the wiser. Wonder why the Haitian is still covering for Bennett if he didn't follow orders to wipe Claire. Hopefully she will reunite w/ Peter.

I too liked the museum robbery scene. The whole tale of the ronin turned samurai hero by taking possession of an enchanted sword was shiny. Guess Hiro plans on using the sword as a focus for his power. Wonder if it will really work. Did anyone notice if the symbol on the sword was present when future Hiro visited Peter on the subway train? I don't recall that sword having the symbol, but I might be wrong. Strange that Linderman has the real sword, but it seems that most of the heroes are tied to him somehow. That is a big plot device waiting to be sprung on us. Most likely a season finale cliffhanger.

I really dug how Nathan, Hiro and Issacc are all together now. Perhaps they can accomplish something. I'm wondering if they are going to go back to Vegas to visit Linderman. Certainly seems to be the plan. Like how Nathan is slowly coming around to accepting his power and some responsibility for trying to stop the destruction of NYC.

So, radioactive man is practicing with his powers in the Nevada desert. Isn't that interesting. Wonder why he is doing it. Could it be the proximity to old bomb testing grounds? Did anyone else catch Peter on the phone asking for a ticket to the desert in Nevada? He asked if that is where they test the bombs. Reckon Peter & Radioactive man will be meeting up soon. Still not sure it will be Peter that blows up in NYC. My money is still on Radioactive man. Kind of figured him for the bomb since he was introduced.

I'm thinking that Nikki's evil persona is going to break her out of prison soon. Not sure where they are going with her arc yet.

I wonder how long it can possibly be before Matt & Bennett have a showdown. That is bound to be ugly. Glad to see him confiding in his wife. Wonder if she will believe him though or if she will wind up betraying him.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:51 PM (P)

I think Ted's training to gain some kind of control over his powers. What we saw looked like he was trying to contain the little bursts for as long as possible. If he can do that, he can learn how to either bleed it off slowly or unleash it in focussed blasts away from (or possibly toward) anything vulnerable. It was his lack of control that killed his wife, remember.

And yes, Nevada was ground zero for nuclear weapons testing. See "Groom Lake," "Los Alamos," and "Area 51." Middle of nowhere, so it makes sense that Ted and Peter would gravitate there if they're worried about exploding.

And I love how the promo for next week focuses on Eccleston's character saying "Fantastic" (his Dr. Who catchphrase).

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LIGHTMEDARK

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:40 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Eccleston's character appears to be homeless. Anyone else get that impression? A play on how people ignore the homeless and treat them as non-entities so his power is invisibility?

I was thinking the same thing. If they don't go that route, I think it's a missed opportunity.

LIGHTMEDARK

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:41 PM (P)

...wish i could make this post invisible, haha

GRIZWALD

Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:59 PM (P)

1. Is anyone but me bothered by the fact that the "Haitian" has an accent that is very non-Haitian? Probably not.

E2A: LOL! He IS Haitian. Duh. Okay, I will amend this to state that he doesn't sound anything like the Haitians I knew in college.

2. Gay Zach? I thought of him as inexperienced sexually, teased about everything, maybe not too sure what he was anyway and so not bothering to deny it when teased about being gay. Or maybe bi. Which I think lots of inexperienced teens wonder about anyway.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:

And yeah, Bennet is just doing what he thinks is right. I'm hoping he has an eye-opening experience (like, say, Claire [whom he sincerely loves] openly rebelling, causing him to question exactly what he's doing) and redeems himself.

He's in the perfect position to play Professor X (access to mutants, head of a powerful secret organization, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good).

Mohinder is Professor X
Mr. Bennet is clearly Magneto, doing the wrong things for the right reasons.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:58 AM (P)

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Did anyone notice if the symbol on the sword was present when future Hiro visited Peter on the subway train? I don't recall that sword having the symbol, but I might be wrong.

The symbol was definately there when he met Peter on the subway. I remember seeing it and being reminded of the other times it had come up. I also recall it being called a strand of RNA, not 2 mixed Kanji.

Also... for those that didn't watch Deal or No deal go to www.nbc.com the heroes page and watch the clip "Wireless". this will shead insight on the radioactive guy in Nevada.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Also... for those that didn't watch Deal or No deal go to www.nbc.com the heroes page and watch the clip "Wireless". this will shead insight on the radioactive guy in Nevada.

I was wondering if that was in the actual episode because I managed to miss Monday's airing. When I went to the site later that night this clip was one of the few things I was able to watch. Very cool clip, wouldn't mind seeing more of her. Looks like she has a score to settle with Bennett. Can't wait to see someone get the upper hand on him.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:21 PM (P)

Cybersnark, I believe you are right in that Ted is trying to gain some sort of control over his powers. To what end I am not sure. Hopefully he will wind up being a hero.

Grizwald, I was a little put off by the "Haitian's" very non-Haitian accent, but chalked it up as one of those things you overlook when taking in the overall end result.

I also agree w/ you Grizwald that Zach is not gay, but perhaps been labeled as such by the kids at school because they have never seen him with a girl and they just assume he is gay. I think he is really in love w/ Claire. We were starting to see the beginnings of a relationship before the Haitian wiped his mind.

Jadehand, thanks for the confirmation that the symbol was there on future Hiro's sword. So we do know he actually gets the sword at some point in the future.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:10 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Jadehand, thanks for the confirmation that the symbol was there on future Hiro's sword. So we do know he actually gets the sword at some point in the future.

Either that or he still just has the replica.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:16 PM (P)

For all we know, Hiro is the dude depicted in the museum. The sword might actually be his and he just doesn't know it yet.

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CYBERSNARK

Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:11 PM (P)

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Originally posted by singate:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Also... for those that didn't watch Deal or No deal go to www.nbc.com the heroes page and watch the clip "Wireless". this will shead insight on the radioactive guy in Nevada.

I was wondering if that was in the actual episode because I managed to miss Monday's airing. When I went to the site later that night this clip was one of the few things I was able to watch. Very cool clip, wouldn't mind seeing more of her. Looks like she has a score to settle with Bennett.

Oh, cool. I just noticed this. The clip is the first little bit of the latest comic: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, January 26, 2007 1:35 PM (P)

Shiny. So Ted hooks up w/ Wireless to get revenge. This is shaping up to be interesting.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 9:31 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
For all we know, Hiro is the dude depicted in the museum. The sword might actually be his and he just doesn't know it yet.

Entirely possible...good observation ;D

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Friday, January 26, 2007 10:15 PM (P)

List of historical nuclear tests sites in USA:

Nevada (several sites; but the Nevada Test Site is the only currently open U.S. test site); Alamogordo, New Mexico; Carlsbad, New Mexico; Hattiesberg, Mississippi; Grand Valley, Colorado; Rifle, Colorado; Farmington, New Mexico; Hot Creek Valley, Central Nevada; Fallon, Nevada and; Amchitka, Alaska.

....so they could have used any of these states, writers must have chosen Nevada (and Las Vegas) as a centerpoint to begin to pull everyone together. Much as Stephen King did in THE STAND. Can't wait to see where this will end up!

PS One of the funniest scenes was Hiro enacting the Flying Man, "WHOOOOOSH!", then being told to "Keep it down!", after which he gives a muted "whoosh" :) Freakin Shiny! :)

SINGATE

Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:51 AM (P)

Anyone else get the feeling that Sylar is still shamming? If the clips of upcoming episodes are any indication not only is he up and about, but his memory is still intact. Other than the first night he was captive, after his injuries while fighting Peter, I think he has allowed Bennet and co. to hold him in order to gauge their strength.

When it was announced that Eccleston would be on the show my first thought was that he was going to portray Linderman. After finally seeing the most recent episode I think it is still possible but not likely. Linderman has not been seen yet and the new guy is invisible...I know I'm reaching here.

The whole bit between Hiro and Nathan was hysterical. "You flying man, WHOOSH!" Anyone else notice that Hiro re-enacted Isaac's painting of him fighting the dinosaur while at the museum? Maybe that is what Isaac saw in his vision.

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CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:28 AM (P)

Hiro considered the possibility: http://blog.nbc.com/hiro_blog/
(His blog entries are a week behind the episode, and the software sometimes screws them up: the latest entry is The Sword.)

(Huh. Something about how Hiro describes Kensei's "blazing speed that was invisible to the naked eye" makes me wonder if Kensei-san wasn't a Speedster. You know, Hiro's trick from the museum is basically superspeed by a different method [if the Flash had been around, he would've been able to match velocities with time-displaced Hiro].)

Looks like you're right about Sylar being up and about. Any ideas what that thing on the back of his head is?

New comic's up; the second half of "Exploding Man"
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_018.shtml

Looks like we now know what those needle marks signify. Of course, if Sylar gains access to Mr. Bennet's systems, he might be able to use that data to track everyone Bennet's already found. This could be bad.

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RHYIANAN

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:10 AM (P)

I'm not sure, but the thing on sylar's head looked like a shunt, either for adding liqiud (maybe the drug they had him on?) or draining liquid away (testing his brain fluid?).

Anyone else wondering if HRG knows Claire's real bio mom is alive? It seemed a little too easy for Claire to find her. Speaking of HRG, I think he knows that Claire still has her memory now after he saw the wind chimes outside her window. Makes you wonder what he'll do to the Haitian now, huh? Especially since he doesn't seem willing to harm Claire in any way.

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SINGATE

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Of course, if Sylar gains access to Mr. Bennet's systems, he might be able to use that data to track everyone Bennet's already found. This could be bad.

He seems to only covet certain abilities, though he might eliminate anyone else who could be a threat. Just imagine if he were able to get his hands on Ted and perfect that ability.

Since he has found a way around whatever treatments they were administering it stands to reason he may be immune the Haitan's power as well(if he wasn't already). If that is the case he may be nearly unstoppable, though he does seem bent on gaining Claire's healing ability. Considering her regenerative power it may be possible for him to examine her brain without killing her. I'm envisioning a scenario where Claire offers herself in exchange for someone in the family.

I like the scenes between Mohinder and Nathan. When he offered to help Peter by studying him Nathan was assuming that their abilities could be simply turned off, which would be of interest to him since he is more concerned with politics than heroics. If the writers chose to go down this path it could lead to something similar to what occured on The 4400 last year. Regular people having abilities awakened through gene therapy.

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CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:27 PM (P)

I'm guessing Claire's ability would be necessary for him to go after Ted. Not so much to use Ted's abilities, but to be able to survive Ted's inevitable self-defense.

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MAVOURNEEN

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:59 PM (P)

Just found a few spoilerific tidbits over at tvguide.com -

http://tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx

Take it for what it is - but Ausiello is usually pretty accurate.

(And though a totally forced line, I loved it when Hiro said "This is how we roll")

DEEPGIRL187

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:26 PM (P)

Someone on serenitymovie.org suggested that Linderman might be Claire's real father, which I find to be a scary thought.

This leads me to another question, though. Do both parents need to have powers (or have the gene that allows one to have powers) in order to produce a child with abilities? I know it works that way with Nikki, D.L., and Micah, but will it be the same for Claire? And if Linderman is the father, and he does have powers, what will they be? Very pondersome, indeed.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:52 PM (P)

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Someone on serenitymovie.org suggested that Linderman might be Claire's real father, which I find to be a scary thought.

This leads me to another question, though. Do both parents need to have powers (or have the gene that allows one to have powers) in order to produce a child with abilities? I know it works that way with Nikki, D.L., and Micah, but will it be the same for Claire? And if Linderman is the father, and he does have powers, what will they be? Very pondersome, indeed.

My theory is that her adoptive father Mr. HRG, is her real father.

As for the both parents having powers to produce a powered kid, unlikely since the number of people with powers seems to be increasing rather than decreasing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that combination produce more powerful abilities.

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CYBERSNARK

Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:18 AM (P)

Yeah. Logically there has to be a point where powers spontaneously manifest, or none of this would be happening.

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DEEPGIRL187

Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:27 AM (P)

Yes, it would have to be spontaneous to a certain extent, we seem to be looking at some form of evolution. But at some point it's going to have to take a more genetic turn. And since we're already seeing this in younger generations (i.e., Micah and Claire), I have to wonder what the precedent will be. Do the genes have to be dominant? Or, as my mom suggested, do two recessive genes pair up to produce a dominant trait? The writers seem to be leaning towards a genetic explanation for the abilities, so I wonder if they've thought up any rules for how the powers are produced.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, February 1, 2007 1:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Someone on serenitymovie.org suggested that Linderman might be Claire's real father, which I find to be a scary thought.

This leads me to another question, though. Do both parents need to have powers (or have the gene that allows one to have powers) in order to produce a child with abilities? I know it works that way with Nikki, D.L., and Micah, but will it be the same for Claire? And if Linderman is the father, and he does have powers, what will they be? Very pondersome, indeed.

Possibly, but that would imply that Mrs. Petrelli would have some kind of power, which so far has not been indicated. Although it might be the case that at least one parent would have to have it.

I hope that Linderman is not Claire’s father because that is just too “Luke, I am your father.”

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BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, February 1, 2007 2:05 PM (P)

I also believe that Linderman might be Claire's real dad. The clip for next week shows a man w/ a fancy watch in a fancy looking office picking up the phone to speak to Claire's "mom". Interesting that she has the ability to produce fire. It might explain why Linderman was hot to buy all of Isaac's paintings; he was using them trying to track Claire down.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 4:57 AM (P)

Once again I'm posting at the behest of my husband, the HEROES fan. I watch it too but he's tweaked on it.
He thinks Claire's real dad is Nathan. He even went to the website and found a picture of Nathan wearing the same watch that they showed in the previews. It wouldn't be outrageous, I guess. Claire's real mom looks fairly young. And Nathan's kids now are little meaning he might not have been married a long while.
We also tossed around the idea that Hiro's father is Linderman. His real name may be Nakamura, but he is the LENDER-MAN. Get it? I know, it's a stretch. I think I may be making a mental connection just because Linderman's aide is Asian. Who knows?!?
Does anyone else think that Matt might hook up with DL to see if he can walk into Primatech and find Skylar (who is, of course, no longer there)? Couldn't he find him through police accounts of D.L. "just walking out"of prison?
It just seems like these other heroes who are isolated from the others need to get drawn in somehow.

CYBERSNARK

Monday, February 5, 2007 2:10 PM (P)

Hmm. A Matt/DL team up would be cool (and you gave a good reason), but I don't know if Matt is really looking for other mutants. He may not realize just how widespread these "heroes" are --besides, I doubt DL's escape report mentions that he could walk through walls.

And even if Matt did start looking, there's no guarantee he'd be able to find DL. Guy's keeping as low a profile as he can.

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SINGATE

Monday, February 5, 2007 6:09 PM (P)

As much as I hate Nikki it would be interesting to see Parkman reading her mind. He really needs to get out and about now that he is on suspension. Hopefully the writers can come up with a compelling way for him to contact some of the other main characters.

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STEGASAURUS

Monday, February 5, 2007 6:37 PM (P)

I'd be willing to bet that the Haitian will turn Matt onto the other Heroes.

CYBERSNARK

Monday, February 5, 2007 9:52 PM (P)

*has seen spoilers of what the future holds for Matt, but I won't do that to people I like*

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DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 3:11 AM (P)

Well, Stoweaway, you win the prize. It makes sense that it would be either Nathan or Linderman. All that being said, I wonder what's in store for the future. Will Claire seek out Peter and Nathan? Is it possible that Nathan's other children have powers? Will I be able to wait until next week for the next episode?

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SINGATE

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 7:39 AM (P)

Well this episode certainly put the whole Claire/Peter business to rest...thank God!

Am I the only one getting tired of the memory erasure thing? It's just such a cheap tactic.

The addition of Christopher Eccleston has managed to make the show even better, which I didn't think was possible. His "people suck" speech was priceless as was the solution to Peter losing control at the end.

If I saw the preview correctly it looks like I'll be getting my wish with Parkman running into Niki. If I'm not mistaken it ends with him being tossed out a window. Too bad he doesn't bring animal control with him to put her down for good.

Last but not least is the Sylar/Mohinder alliance. Very interesting. What is that saying about the sins of the father being visited upon the son?

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 1:55 PM (P)

Ok, I was wrong on the Nathan being Claire's real dad thing. I just look at Nathan and think he is too young. Guess he and Claire's real mom hooked up when they were teens? I put Nathan in his mid to late thirties. Anyone else think that is about right?

So, we have now seen two couples, both of whom have powers, that have born children who have powers. Interesting.

I wonder why Linderman's flunky sprung Nikki. She got home pretty darn quick. And where was DL? We get no reaction from him? And it seems it was Jessica that came home, not Nikki. Did the shrink screw up and give Jessica the upper hand in control over Nikki's body? What does Linderman stand to gain by getting her freed?

I like Christopher Eggleston's character a lot. I find him way to cynical & antisocial, but he plays the part really well. It does appear that he is having a definite impact on helping Peter learn to control his powers though. I find it interesting that Peter obviously does not need to be in proximity to someone to use their powers, only to have his body "learn" (for lack of a better word) how to use the ability. Apparently he just needs to learn how to access the power and control it. A little wierd there at the end when his eyes clouded over like Issacs and his hands started going invisible. Hopefully he will learn to control them and utilize them. If he does, he has the potential to be the most powerful of all the heroes.

Anyone else see a showdown coming between Peter and Sylar?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:17 PM (P)

Ok. Did anyone else notice that when Hiro's dad, played by George Takai, was getting into his limo at the end of their meeting, the license plate number was NCC-1701?

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:41 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Ok. Did anyone else notice that when Hiro's dad, played by George Takai, was getting into his limo at the end of their meeting, the license plate number was NCC-1701?

Now I have to itune the episode to see for myself.

Kudos to Stoweaway’s husband for pinning the daddy Nathan thing. Of course this makes Peter Claire’s uncle, which doesn’t necessarily forbid a relationship, but it does make it gross.

As for the age, Claire is 15; Nathan is probably late thirties-early forties. That puts Nathan in is twenties when Claire was conceived. Did Nathan “die” in the fire too? Or was Claire’s mom just one of Nathan’s extramarital exploits or a college sweetheart?

I really prefer Eccleston as Dr. Who.

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GRIZWALD

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 2:42 PM (P)

Geezer, that's wonderful.

Question: Has Christopher Eccleston's character been given a name yet, that we have heard? Or is he simply the Nameless, Homeless, Friendless One? I'm getting a little tired of calling him "Chris."

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 3:13 PM (P)

The invisible guy is called Claude, following the tradition of British men having French names (paging Jean-Luc Picard. . .).

It looks like Peter is going to be a mirror-image of Sylar, which is going to make for a cool showdown when they meet.

A little math suggests that Claire's mom was 20 when Claire was born ("21 year old woman died in a fire, along with her 18-month old baby"). Claire is (about) 16 now, so her mom is 36, which is a good approximate age for Nathan (we can assume that he and Claire's mom were about the same age when they were together). Peter seems quite a bit younger, though.

Ando was great this ep.

"I think she's starting to like me."
". . . Wha?!?"

And props to Hiro for taking the traditional "young Japanese man who rebels against, but secretly desires, his father's approval" and actually playing it cool. Though I doubt this is the last we've seen of the Nakamuras.

Yeah, I feel there's a missing chapter between Nikki/Jessica's release and her scene with Micah. DL wouldn't have stood for that, and we haven't seen anything that would take him out of the picture.

Speaking of that family, the new comic ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_019.shtml) spotlights everybody's favourite technopath, as Micah pwns some bullies.

Also, check out Hiro:

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AMYEL

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 4:49 PM (P)

Adrian Pasdar is 41, which is doable for his character's age, and he can play several years younger as well. Milo Ventimiglia is 29, though I think at some point in the show Peter was described as being 26. So there's a 10-15 year age difference between the brothers. It certainly shows in their relationship, since Nathan bosses Peter around like he's a big-brother/father-figure combo.

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 4:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by amyel:
Nathan bosses Peter around like he's a big-brother/father-figure combo.

And a pompous ass.

Never underestimate the "pompous ass" factor.

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 2:17 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Ok. Did anyone else notice that when Hiro's dad, played by George Takai, was getting into his limo at the end of their meeting, the license plate number was NCC-1701?

Damn! I missed that. Cool props to ST though.

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 2:37 PM (P)

I'll have to look for that too.

Speaking of George Takei, I was more impressed with his guest stint on HEROES than Eccleston. For an hour, he totally made me forget about Sulu. Takei in real life is kind of a cheeseball, like Shatner. But he was able to totally transcend that and be a total badass. And Hiro's sly way of passing off his responsibility to the company onto his more qualified sister was genius in his own way. And I love his father's last line.

"I never should have read you those stories."

Now we have to wait for Stan Lee's upcoming cameo as a bus driver.

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Thursday, February 8, 2007 2:52 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
The invisible guy is called Claude, following the tradition of British men having French names (paging Jean-Luc Picard. . .).

Perhaps, but I think that this might be a reference to Claude Rains, who played the original Invisible Man.

And is it invisibility or slightly more. Nobody seems to notice them talking or yelling on the street, but Claude did cover Peter's mouth when he "escaped" from Nathan.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, February 8, 2007 4:01 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by naflm:
Perhaps, but I think that this might be a reference to Claude Rains, who played the original Invisible Man.

And is it invisibility or slightly more. Nobody seems to notice them talking or yelling on the street, but Claude did cover Peter's mouth when he "escaped" from Nathan.

Dramatic license probably, but it might be inferred that Peter’s replication of another superhuman’s capability has a latency prior to full inception or a period of continuity during which the ability is not fully acquired. It might also be that Claude and Peter are audible, but it did not seem as if anyone on the street reacted to their voices.

Also I ituned the episode and saw the NCC-1701 on Mr. Nakamura’s limo. Of course the dash was really a tinny New York state, so technically it was NCC “tinny New York state” 1701.

I thought Takei did a great job with the Japanese. Unlike Oka, who was born in Japan, he is Japanese only by heritage.

It's refreshing that Heroes uses Japanese with English subtitles. I only wish they had taken a similar approach with Mohinder, who should never have been lecturing in English to an Indian class in India.

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SINGATE

Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:53 AM (P)

For the first time I can remember I wasn't particularly impressed with the Hiro/Ando story arc. Maybe it's because they never seemed to be on the same page in this episode. I did enjoy the extra nod to George Takei's appearance. Hiro getting called Sulu was priceless.

Looks like Mr. Bennet may have had his wife's memory erased one too many times. Wonder if this will be the last straw for Claire. Her "real" mom played her like a fiddle, that scene with her listening outside the window was kinda sad. That woman is nothing but a trailer trash con artist.

Now that Niki has her new assignment I think it would be cool to see Claire come to the rescue. Showing up just in time to take a bullet for her new daddy. I'm still trying to figure out why Parkman didn't wait until the elevator doors opened then put two Jessica, one for each personality. Thankfully the writers didn't kill him off. Seeing him walk off with the diamonds was a bit disconcerting. Up until then he struck me as the consumate good guy.

That new ability Sylar took is interesting. Does it work on any solid object or just the inanimate kind?

I'm thinking Issac will buy the farm next week.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:14 PM (P)

I wasn't too impressed with the Hiro/Ando story in this episode either. This Hope is obviously a con artist who played Ando, but why? What is the hook here? Where are they going with it? Who is this Gaming Enforcement agent that freed Hiro? How long will it take to get Hiro to the sword? It left me a bit flat.

The Claire arc is shaping up well. I just saw her real mom playing Nathan for money. Then she tells Claire she is only getting $50k & that Claire can have half when she is really getting $100k. This woman is a real con artist. I see her being used later in the series to get at Claire or her using Nathan and or Claire to get something she wants. It was sad watching her hear Nathan tell her mother she did well in letting Claire go.

You took the words right out of my mouth Singate. I said it as soon as Mr Bennett led her into the house last night. I looked at my wife and said, "Yep. Looks like Specs had her mind wiped one too many times". I don't doubt that is what happened, but is it what leads to her apparent death in the next episode? What will Claire do? She brought up to her dad the "memory loss", but she didn't really confront him. Will that change if her adopted mother dies? Also, the exchange at the end of the episode when Mrs Bennett didn't recognize Mr Muggles or Claire.....what is that about? Is he mind deteriorating? That is what it looks like.

How is it that Jessica has suppressed Nikki? How did Jessica cut the deal w/ Linderman to get them sprung? I guess she must have swiped the shrink's phone after she tazered her in the interrogation room. How is it that neither Micca or her husband have noticed anything? Micca could tell in the past over the phone when Jessica was in control so how is he missing it when she is right in front of him? Now that she is after Nathan I imagine that that will be the catalyst for getting her, her hubby and Micca to NYC.

I agree that Matt is the consumate good guy, but after hearing that detective's thoughts that he would never wear a badge again he had to be thinking about how he is going to make a living. He probably thought the diamonds were his way to insure his and his wife's future. I believe it will also resurface later and cause him guilt leading to his returning them or doing something good with them.

I am thinking the new ability Sylar took could work on any matter. It seems to break down molecular cohesion causing matter to fall apart into a liquid like substance which would appear to resolidify when the power subsides. Not sure if it will work on animate objects, but I am sure Sylar will try to find out.

Now Sylar is tagging along w/ Mohinder to try to track down the other heroes. That could prove interesting. It would also explain how Sylar winds up in NYC for the big finale.

What is up with Peter? I want to see some more of his story with Claude.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:51 PM (P)

I’m not going to come out so strong against Claire’s real mother. It’s evident, that she doesn’t care for Claire as much as Claire may have expected, but I’m not sure why she would. It’s not like Claire has really been a part of her life or that she perceives Claire to be in any condition where she feels she could help. I think Claire was naïve to expect that she would. Meredith is obviously not a completely honest person and probably never has been, but she comes across to me much more like a selfish opportunist then a con-artists. I don’t think she played Claire, I think her intentions were sincere, but when Nathan offered her the money I think she really lacked the self-respect and character to turn it down. In a way Nathan’s offer of money was insulting and demonstrates as much selfishness on his part. While both probably care for Claire or at least the idea of Claire on some level, neither is prepared to risk the adverse affect that the responsibility of a daughter would bring, and why should they? From their vantage point, Claire is the daughter in a relatively well off family. It’s probably not a good idea for the estranged biological parents of an adopted child to be consorting with this child without her legal parent’s involvement. Ideally, this is something that should be handled officially. So part of Nathan’s and Meredith’s reaction is Claire’s fault for having involved herself with essentially strangers without the protection of her parents. None of this is surprising; both Nathan and Meredith have their own lives to deal with and Claire is naïve to expect anything more at this point. Although it was heartbreaking to watch Claire struggle with Nathan’s response. She was probably a bit star struck by Nathan’s wealthy appearance, and for a moment I think she believed whatever infatuations she had concocted in her head. But really it isn’t Nathan that she wants; she’s trying to replace the relationship and the trust that she feels she’s lost from her father, Mr. Bennett. This is the clash between Claire and Mr. Bennett that was bound to happen, and if Claire’s mother’s new condition turns out to be a product of Mr. Bennett’s repeated brain-washings, I suspect that both Claire and Bennett may find this difficult to reconcile.

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CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:42 PM (P)

I'm loving this. Curious to see what's gonna happen with Hiro & Ando. I can tell Ando's already starting to doubt Hope's story. Real question is what's in the purse (and what it was doing in Guy-who-voices-Patrick's room).

New comic up. Focusing on Sylar's escape.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_020.shtml
This confirms that, yes, Sylar did kill Charlie even in the "fixed" timeline. It also explains why Sylar was so quick to team up with Suresh.

The preview makes it look like next week's gonna be the confrontation between Claire and Glasses. Can't wait!

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:19 PM (P)

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I don’t think she played Claire, I think her intentions were sincere, but when Nathan offered her the money I think she really lacked the self-respect and character to turn it down. In a way Nathan’s offer of money was insulting and demonstrates as much selfishness on his part.

Actually, I believe it was her intention all along to get cash from Nathan. Her behavior on the phone and her not refusing the money to me speaks of her seeking it in the first place. Add to that the fact she lied to Claire about how much was coming just lends further evidence to the fact she is a selfish opportunist who is really on in this for herself.

Meredith can clearly see that Claire is hurting and looking for a connection, but she used Claire's existence to milk money from Nathan and then run off to Mexico. She doesn't care for Claire and can't wait to leave Texas to go back south of the border. Whether Claire has been a part of her life or not, Claire is her daughter, one she thought dead up until this point, so why wouldn't she care

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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:24 PM (P)

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New comic up. Focusing on Sylar's escape.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_020.shtml
This confirms that, yes, Sylar did kill Charlie even in the "fixed" timeline. It also explains why Sylar was so quick to team up with Suresh.

Where did Sylar get the ability to create ice? He appears to be creating a patch of ice on the road while trying to escape those Virginia state troopers (wish they had gotten the color of our state trooper cars right).

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Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:47 PM (P)

Probably one of the first powers he has collected previously in the time before Heroes starts taking place.

CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:20 PM (P)

Yeah, way back in the second episode, we saw the frozen corpse of one of Sylar's victims. Remember when we first met Matt?

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BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:34 PM (P)

That's right! The frozen corpses! I had completely forgotten about them. Been so long since Sylar has used that trick it had slipped my mind.

Wonder how it is exactly that he is getting the powers. Ingesting part of the brain perhaps?

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:26 PM (P)

Well, Sylar does have the ability to know how things work (remember the episode that showed his past?). My guess is that he studies the brains to find out how a person's abilities work.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:38 PM (P)

Sylar and Micah have similar abilities then. Where Micah can make something function by concentrating on it; Sylar can instantaneously know how something functions by concentrating on it.

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CAB1729

Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:52 PM (P)

re Jessica's new assignment:

My first thought was assassination, too, but now rumor has it that she's not going there to assassinate him at all, but to make sure he wins that election, by hook or by crook. Or maybe to blackmail him into staying on track and not letting Linderman down.

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Friday, February 16, 2007 1:00 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Sylar and Micah have similar abilities then. Where Micah can make something function by concentrating on it; Sylar can instantaneously know how something functions by concentrating on it.

Except that Micah's abilities only work on technology, while Sylar's seem to work with anything.

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, February 16, 2007 12:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by cab1729:
re Jessica's new assignment:

My first thought was assassination, too, but now rumor has it that she's not going there to assassinate him at all, but to make sure he wins that election, by hook or by crook. Or maybe to blackmail him into staying on track and not letting Linderman down.

Could be that your right. I didn't think of that possibility. Let's hope that is the case.

I remember Sylar's ability from the past episode, but never really thought he might be able to use it to figure out how other heroes activate and use their powers. Makes sense and is a lot less morbid than my suggestion.

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SINGATE

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:35 AM (P)

This may have been the best episode yet. Where to begin?

I like that Claire came out and stood up to her father. For the first time Mr. Bennet didn't seem to know what to do. Her line about not being able to remember any of this tomorrow clinched it. Don't think he'll be having memories erased anytime soon.

The encounter on the rooftop was excellent. I couldn't tell if Peter stopped time or was using TK there. Does he need the person to use an ability in his presence or does he automatically absorb their powers? Speaking of which, does he possess all of Sylar's abilities or just the TK used in their brief encounter?

The whole showdown between Peter and Isaac caught me off guard as did the conclusion. A lot of people didn't seem to like Simone so it's not a huge loss. The only benefit will be the further strain between the two. What was that ability Peter used to toss Isaac across the room? Appeared to be some sort of sonic blast.

Sylar is doing quite the number on Mohinder. It did look as though he had a suspicious glance toward Sylar a few times though. The killing of that woman was so cold, when he said "murder" you could almost feel the temperature drop.

The highlight of the show for me was seeing Matt, Ted, and Wireless getting together. Funny how so many different characters are looking to be heroes while having different views on what that means. Can't wait to see Bennet squirming next week. If Matt is unable to read his mind then there may be some truth to the idea that he has an ability as well.

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DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:12 PM (P)

I'm a little fuzzy on this, but when did Peter meet Hiro? I know they talked over the phone, but I don't remember them actually meeting face-to-face. Wouldn't they each have to be physically present for Peter to absorb Hiro's powers?

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CIOCCOLATA

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:45 PM (P)

They met on the train when, I think, Peter was having that dream or something. Hiro had the sword and everyone was stopped in time and Hiro came up to him and told him something, I do not remember what.
It was in the 3 or 4th episode I think.

CAUSAL

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:52 PM (P)

My read on Peter tossing Isaac across the room was that he'd gotten the TK ability from Sylar (remember when Sylar did basically the same thing to Claire's mom?). It seems pretty clear that Peter doesn't have to be in someone's presence to use their ability--he just absorbs it and has from then on (as when invisible-guy tosses him off the roof and he heals himself). If that's the case, damn, he's the most powerful one of them all.

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GRIZWALD

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:03 PM (P)

I loved the episode.

Interesting how Sylar must kill heroes to gain their strengths, while Peter must apparently only be near them (or perhaps he must be present when the power is being exercised). He is more powerful than Sylar. Sylar has his ruthlessness going for him.

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:15 PM (P)

Definitely one of the best episodes yet!

I like the fact too that Claire stood up to Bennett. About bloody time! We actually see the otherwise cold and calculating Bennett looking hurt and at a loss as to what to do. Good character moment for him. Hopefully he will come around and stop being a borderline bad guy.

Peter definitely stopped the staff from hitting him by using TK. He even tells Claude he must have picked it up from Sylar after their encounter where Peter saves Claire. It would seem that proximity is what Peter needs to gain and use the ability, but apparently his body/mind permanently gain the ability once he is exposed to it, he just seems to be learning under Claude's unorthodox tutoring how to access the abilities. We see Peter use TK, then in the scene where Bennett & the Haitian try to capture them we see him use Hiro's ability to stop time and Nathan's ability to fly. So, he has used the abilities of at least six different heroes.

How naive is Mohinder? Why is it that Sylar is not killing him as he did his father? Obviously Sylar is wanting to track down, kill and absorb the powers of the other heroes and Mohinder can help him do it quicker, but I am curious where this particular part of the story is going.

I liked seeing Matt, Hanna & Ted get together. They seem bent on getting answers, at least Matt does, the other two I am sure are bent on exacting revenge on Bennett. Wonder how far Matt is willing to go. Sure he is upset over the problems his ability have caused him, but I think they have been as much a gift as a curse. They kind of helped him save his marriage not to mention his life in his confrontation with Jessica. We will have to see how the standoff in the Bennett household works out next week.

The confrontation between Issac and Peter kind of threw me. Issac is obviously being manipulated by Bennett and his judgement is clouded by his jealousy over Simone & Peter's relationship. Peter's overreaction was fueled by his near kidnapping at the hands of Bennett and the apparent loss of Claude as his teacher. I was confused by the voice/sonic blast that Peter used on Issac too. I thought it might be TK he got from Sylar, but his voice seemed different, amplified or changed somehow when he shouted at Issac and the power was activated. His mastery over his powers seems to be coming easier and faster. Let's hope he is not going to be corrupted by all that power.

As for Simone, I don't think that is the end for her. Remember that Peter has used Hiro's power of time manipulation. I am willing to bet he tries to reverse time to save her.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:16 PM (P)

Remember back when we were introduced to Sylar? Mohinder's father went to visit him, thinking he was a possible carrier of the mutation. Sylar repaired watches and timepieces, and just had a knack for knowing which piece went where and how the thing worked all together. Papa Suresh ran some tests and ultimately concluded that Sylar was not one of the ones he was looking for (which made Sylar pretty damned upset). But Sylar had caught the name of another candidate from Suresh's papers, and called him up. When guy #2 arrives and demonstrates telekinetic abilities, Sylar cracks him on the skull and the next thing we know, Sylar also has TK. Why? Because, Sylar does have an ability. Like Kaylee, Sylar just has an instinctice grasp for complex systems and how they work together. That's why he has to have their brain. He takes the piece he wants and adds it to his own (though I haven't figured that part out). That accounts for the fact that he only has the abilities of the people he's killed. It also accounts for the fact that Eden blew her brain out--she wanted to prevent him from getting the vital bit that controlled her ability.

And for the record, I think Peter is stronger. He doesn't have to kill you to get your ability, just be near you. And once he is, he has it permanently.

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DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:09 PM (P)

As cool as that scene was with Peter and Isaac (probably the coolest fight scene I've watched outside of a Joss show), it also worries me.

At some point, there is going to be a limit to Peter's ability. Mohinder said that if he absorbs too many abilities, it will imbalance him somehow. What will happen to him when that day comes? And until that time, will Peter become another Sylar? Will having access to so much power cause him to lash out at others? Or, as another possiblity, will Peter become the opposite of Sylar, and use his abilities to help others, perhaps even the other heroes?

Oh, and the scene with Hiro and Stan Lee was way cool.

P.S. - Can Claude (as well as Peter) make other objects invisible, even people? I was never sure about that.

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STOWEAWAY

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:03 PM (P)

I think it's more of a case of Peter absorbing Claude's power, not Claude making him invisible.

My question is did Peter see Mr. Bennett when they came to tazer him? Because he's seen Claire's dad before when she came to see him in jail. So now will he try to contact her to protect her? Is that how she gets to NYC?

And now that Mr. Bennett knows that the Haitian didn't erase Claire's memory, what will he do to the Haitian? When Matt & his posse show up, will the Haitian abandon him? Maybe that's how we find out Claire's adoption story, Matt reads it from Mr. Bennett's mind. Could it be Peter who rescues Claire? That would put him in contact with Radioactive Man.

So now that Sylar is traveling with Mohinder, it's possible that he does make it back to NYC and to Isaac to fullfill what Hiro saw in the future. We know Mohinder knows Isaac & might try to access his ability to stop Sylar (who's right under his nose, duh). Isaac sure bought himself a giant hunk of bad karma last night.

Finally --- aaaagh! Hiro has his power back & he doesn't even know it! I don't think we've seen the last of Ando either. I hope not, I was really starting to like him.

My husband with all the Heroes insight isn't here this week so all this is purely conjecture.

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:47 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Why is it that Sylar is not killing him as he did his father? Obviously Sylar is wanting to track down, kill and absorb the powers of the other heroes and Mohinder can help him do it quicker, but I am curious where this particular part of the story is going.

The online comics ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/) explained that Sylar has finished going through the list he got from Chandra; Zane was the last one. Teaming up with Mohinder is the only way for Sylar to find other victims.

Of course, Mohinder is not a fool. Sylar's assumption of super-hearing (and the resulting migraines) may have already made him suspicious, and he knows Sylar's distinctive killing style. It won't take him long to put two and two together. I'm guessing that Sylar's going to try to get his hands on the finalized List --which would make Mohinder irrelevant.

New comic this week ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_021.shtml), demonstrating that Hana does in fact have a sense of compassion. Looks like she's parted ways with Ted and Matt, so no telling if she'll be involved in the showdown. It's also worth noting that Hana's introduction to Ted actually "happened" several episodes ago; it was an exclusive clip on the website, and it was featured in the comic a couple of weeks ago (she didn't have the injector at that time).

No Easter Egg this week, just a link that leads to the 404 page.

I for one am sorry to see Simone go. She was a good influence on both Isaac and Peter, and it looks like they're about to need her now more than ever.

I'm also gonna miss Ando. Hopefully he'll stick around --Who says Hiro's the only one on a Journey?

It was cool seeing Stan Lee turn up (as he has in every Marvel movie --but then this isn't a Marvel property).

I doubt we've seen the last of Claude. Given how he reacted to Bennet & the Haitian, it's obvious he has some past history there. I strongly suspect he'll be involved in the outcome of that plot thread.

(And he can definitely turn other things invisible, or we'd still be able to see a disembodied set of clothes walking around with a stolen cellphone and cash.)

Can't wait for next week, and the showdown at the Bennets' house.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:44 AM (P)

Claire cried over spilt milk.

Most of this episode was predictable. This was the inevitable clash between Claire and Bennett. Now Mr. Bennett is losing control of the situation. We will find out what he’s really made of. Also Claire will have to make a choice. I suspect that as Claire matures and learns to take on more responsibility for her family, she will discover the difficulty in trying to protect her family. Next episode will be really good I think.

The clash between Peter and Isaac was a surprise. Although I sort of thought it would happen eventually, I didn’t expect it this soon, but as soon as it did, I totally knew Simone would be the casualty somehow. Really sad about Simone too. She was the major hotty of the show. I can’t decide whether she’s really dead though, but the either way, the fallout from this will be big.

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:19 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Stoweaway:
My question is did Peter see Mr. Bennett when they came to tazer him? Because he's seen Claire's dad before when she came to see him in jail. So now will he try to contact her to protect her? Is that how she gets to NYC?

I am not certain if he saw Bennett or not. It was night time and they were wearing infra-red goggles. I am thinking he probably did not, but we don't know for certain.

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And now that Mr. Bennett knows that the Haitian didn't erase Claire's memory, what will he do to the Haitian? When Matt & his posse show up, will the Haitian abandon him? Maybe that's how we find out Claire's adoption story, Matt reads it from Mr. Bennett's mind.

Does he know that the Haitian didn't try? He may believe that her healing ability undid whatever it is that the Haitian was supposed to have done to her. If he doesn't think that it is definitely plausible. I also think with his wife in the hospital as a direct result of the mind wipe by the Haitian and Claire's feelings about what he has done I doubt that Bennett will really care at this point that the Haitian did not mind wipe Claire.

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So now that Sylar is traveling with Mohinder, it's possible that he does make it back to NYC and to Isaac to fullfill what Hiro saw in the future. We know Mohinder knows Isaac & might try to access his ability to stop Sylar (who's right under his nose, duh). Isaac sure bought himself a giant hunk of bad karma last night.

Possible, but we are not certain that Isaac will die. That is just one possible future that may be thwarted by the actions of the heroes. Remember that in Peter's vision of himself exploding outside of his brother's campaign office Isaac is there along with the rest of the heroes with the exception of Ted and Hanna.

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Finally --- aaaagh! Hiro has his power back & he doesn't even know it! I don't think we've seen the last of Ando either. I hope not, I was really starting to like him.

I was glad to see Hiro access his ability. Did anyone else notice that not only did he stop time, he reversed it, but only on the bullet itself. He appeared to have reversed time on the bullet pushing it back into the gun causing Hope to drop the gun. Could it be a new extension of his power? To selectively alter time around a single or multiple objects without affecting the entire planet?

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Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:07 PM (P)

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Of course, Mohinder is not a fool. Sylar's assumption of super-hearing (and the resulting migraines) may have already made him suspicious, and he knows Sylar's distinctive killing style. It won't take him long to put two and two together. I'm guessing that Sylar's going to try to get his hands on the finalized List --which would make Mohinder irrelevant.

You would think so and I hope you are right. Of course if Mohinder suspects he will have to play it real cool. He knows he can't handle Sylar and with his new ability of super hearing he can't get too excited or scared as it would be a dead giveaway. I foresee a confrontation with Sylar before he masters the hearing power and Mohinder using a loud noise like a whistle or something of that nature to put Sylar down long enough to hightail it out of there.

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New comic this week ( http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_021.shtml), demonstrating that Hana does in fact have a sense of compassion. Looks like she's parted ways with Ted and Matt, so no telling if she'll be involved in the showdown. It's also worth noting that Hana's introduction to Ted actually "happened" several episodes ago; it was an exclusive clip on the website, and it was featured in the comic a couple of weeks ago (she didn't have the injector at that time).

I really enjoyed this weeks comic. It did show that noble, compassionate side to Hanna. Glad to see her take down the kiddie porn scumbags.

She has definitely parted ways, at least for now, with Matt and Ted. I was wondering why she was not in the Bennett household w/ the others.

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I for one am sorry to see Simone go. She was a good influence on both Isaac and Peter, and it looks like they're about to need her now more than ever.

I'm also gonna miss Ando. Hopefully he'll stick around --Who says Hiro's the only one on a Journey?

I am not so certain that Peter won't try to use Hiro's power to bring her back. If he does it would go a long way towards bridging the rift we see between Isaac and Peter now. Of course if they do that it is the easy way out and would be way too comic bookish in explaining bringing a dead character back to life. There is also the fact of they have a dead body riddled with bullet holes in Isaac's flat. How are they going to explain that to the police?

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It was cool seeing Stan Lee turn up (as he has in every Marvel movie --but then this isn't a Marvel property).

Very cool! I love Stan Lee's little cameos in the Marvel movies and showing up in Heroes just made the episode all the more fun for me.

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I doubt we've seen the last of Claude. Given how he reacted to Bennet & the Haitian, it's obvious he has some past history there. I strongly suspect he'll be involved in the outcome of that plot thread.

(And he can definitely turn other things invisible, or we'd still be able to see a disembodied set of clothes walking around with a stolen cellphone and cash.)

I don't think we have either. Peter sees him in his visions of the explosion in NYC. Of course Claude is off to the side laughing like a maniac, so who knows. Definitely a past between Claude and Bennett given that Bennett commented to Isaac how they thought that old acquaintance was dead (or words to that affect). No doubt Claude worked for or was duped by Bennett before and it turned bad for Claude. I would love to see that backstory.

Not only did he turn the cash and cell invisible, we see (or didn't see in this case) that the staff he was pummeling Peter with was invisible. All we saw at first was water splashing and heard noises until we were allowed to see the two sparring. Apparently anything either of them touches becomes invisible as well, though I imagine it has limits such as size or that they must be able to carry it.

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SINGATE

Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:08 PM (P)

If Hiro was unable to save Charlie how is it that Peter could go back to save Simone? I didn't think the ability worked that way. Didn't Hiro say something about not being able to change events that had already taken place?

I have seen some speculation that it wasn't Hiro who stopped the bullet but someone off camera. Future Hiro again perhaps?

There appears to be more going on between Bennet and Claude than meets the eye. I get the feeling that he wasn't so much an unwilling participant but rather a partner. At some point I figure they had a huge falling out over methodology and ultimate goals about those who had abilities. Either Bennet tried to have him killed or he simply faked his death to get away.

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FISKMASEN

Sunday, February 25, 2007 3:54 PM (P)

Yay! Heroes! Love it. This show has currently kicked House M.D of the pedestal as my favourite series currently on air.

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DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:15 AM (P)

Dude, forget last week, this was the best episode so far.

I admit, I've had my doubts about Bennett. Most of the time, I thought he was complete evil. But this episode showed hm as a human being, a father trying to protect his family. And the ending was especially poignant.

And I really loved the flashback to Claire as an infant. I knew a lot of the heroes had ties to one another, but this was just jaw-dropping. I wonder what it all means for the future...

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REGINAROADIE

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:27 AM (P)

I know. Tonights ep was so far the best ep of the season so far. The unexpected return of Hiro's dad and Hiro and the image of Claire emerging from the house like she just took a stroll through a nuclear reactor were great touches. But it was the final scene on the bridge between Claire and HRG was just priceless. The ultimate bit of self-sacrifice I've seen so far on the show. You know, if Joss had created this show, that scene wouldn't exist at all.

Can't wait for next weeks ep with the reveal of Linderman and Hiro getting the sword at last.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:22 AM (P)

What have I been saying? Mr. Bennett is a good guy whose actions are motivated primarily by his love for his family. Like I said, this episode we will find out what Bennett is really made of. To save his family, Bennett sacrificed his own memories of the daughter that he loved. What did Bennett know that would lead him to such an extreme course of action to protect his daughter from the ‘company?’ That may have been lost too.

That last scene was harsh. Claire discovers too late that her naïve perspective has misplaced her resentment. Now the father that she thought had betrayed her, she has lost, because he really hadn’t. That is such a striking and sad metaphor for the struggles that a father faces with a teenage daughter. The dynamic between Claire and Bennett is likely to be particularly heart-wrenching, while Claire comes to terms with what she’s lost and why.

And Claire all burned up. Wow. That was freaky. Amazingly though, her clothes faired far better then they probably should have.

Yep this is one of the best episodes so far.

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REGINAROADIE

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:29 AM (P)

Now that you mention it, Claire's clothes are like the Hulk's pants or the clothes that Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt wore in the final scenes in TWISTER. They fall under the Super-Decency law that no matter what catastrophe, there will always be enough clothing on to save a super-powered character from indecent exposure.

I think the only time a character has survived a natural catastrophe without any clothes was an ep of KING OF THE HILL where Hank was caught near a tornado, and the tornado managed to rip off all his clothes. And it was between a Mexican flag and a potted cactus that saved him from further embarrassment. Guess which one he chose.

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GRIZWALD

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:33 AM (P)

And wasn't little Hiro just the most adorable little guy? (Wonder why he doesn't remember ever being in NYC before. Or on that particular roof before. Mindwipe?)

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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:52 AM (P)

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I think the only time a character has survived a natural catastrophe without any clothes was an ep of KING OF THE HILL where Hank was caught near a tornado, and the tornado managed to rip off all his clothes. And it was between a Mexican flag and a potted cactus that saved him from further embarrassment. Guess which one he chose.

Yeah, I remember that.

That convenient band of burnt clothing remaining tightly bound around Claire’s bosom, made me wonder if that was really necessary. I’m about the most conservative guy when it comes to decency on television, but yet I really would have had no problem with Claire’s sufficiently crusty and burnt up exposed chest. Given the nature of her injuries, it’s not like anything would have actually survived anyway. So I felt that it was a little distracting, but it’s a small criticism. I thought it was exceptionally well done overall.

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And wasn't little Hiro just the most adorable little guy? (Wonder why he doesn't remember ever being in NYC before. Or on that particular roof before. Mindwipe?)

I don’t know that he doesn’t remember it, just that he doesn’t associate anything with it. I’m sure as far as he was concerned he was just on vacation with papa-san. Having a wealthy father, we can probably assume he’s vacationed (as far as he knew) in many far away places.

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SINGATE

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:58 AM (P)

I have to admit that Bennet finally did the right thing. That still doesn't excuse the questionable things he has been party to. I don't buy the "I did it all to protect my family" line. In the flashback he said something to the effect that he didn't mind working in a morally grey area. This leads me to believe that his intentions were not completely honorable.

Claire was the standout character in this episode. First she stands up to her father, outing him in front of everyone, then walks into a nuclear inferno to save the day. How is it that anyone else survived that anyway? Shouldn't Ted have been giving off massive amounts of radiation? Everyone in the house except Claire should be a goner.

Looks like Parkman has been drafted to replace the Haitan. Didn't much care for the whole mindwipe thing so I'm glad to see him go. I wonder if Matt will attempt to get Ted and his other accomplice out of there at some point. I really liked Ted in this episode, hopefully he won't be kept under wraps for too long.

I honestly did not forsee the Nakamura/Bennet connection so that was a nice touch.
Do any of them know his son possesses an ability?

This show keeps getting better by the week. It's starting to make other shows look very bad by comparison.

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LETOV

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:17 PM (P)

I'm rather dissapointed with this week's comic. Seems awefully empty. We don't really learn anything we didn't know already, or at least couldn't have guessed easily. And the continuity error with the show (Claire's a whole lot older in the comic than in the episode when HRG adopted her).

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STEGASAURUS

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:50 PM (P)

Well, we now know that Bennet doesn't mind the "gray moral area" but now since his mind has been wiped, we can now assume he's going to be back to the same old (15 years ago) Bennet that will have no problems shooting his friend/partner at the command of Those-in-Charge. Without his feelings toward Claire, I predict he will truely become the evil guy alot of us thought he was.

Be on the lookout for Bennet to confront Claire sometime in the future and attempting to gun her down without a moment's hesitation. If the Haitian had any sense, he'd mind-wipe Claire too so that she is not morally disadvantaged should that happen.

I will be the first to admit I was completely wrong with my early-early prediction that Bennet had a "dampening" power. I held out hope until the last possible moment on last night's episode. Yep, I was wrong.

Overall, a damn good episode! I thoroughly enjoyed watching it, and was please when the story line took off right from the beginning. Usually by the first commecial break, you're left with little more than a few more questions and some catch-up dialogue. Last night it seemed we were given a chance to be entertained right from the get-go, and had to hold on tight for the rest of the ride!

FELIXDACAT

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:24 PM (P)

Glad I have company.
Last night, I walked upstairs, climbed into bed and said to my wife “That was the greatest episode of Heroes ever!”
Pace has always been the major problem with this series. Since we all share a love for Firefly, we come from a background where pace was no problem. That is why most of us can take the boxed set of Firefly, throw on ‘Serenity’ (TV episode), and burn through all 4 discs in a weekend.
With Heroes, I have come so close to just bagging it all on several occasions, but last night made me glad I didn’t. It also appears that next week’s episode is going to be a good one (Is Simone a ‘hero’ or did she get fixed by Peter?). Perhaps last night was so good because they only stayed with one story line.
I agree that Bennett, Parkman, and the Haitian should have had more damage, as well as Eric Roberts (he does such a great job as a bad guy).
Don’t know how much wiping will be done on Bennett. He has to return functional. Maybe the Haitian is only removing the memory of the plan to free Claire.
And what’s up with the Haitian’s necklace which looks like Nikki’s tattoo?

DRAGOS

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:34 PM (P)

Don't forget, that same mark is on the Sword the Hiro is after.

Jack MacReady: It's obvious the bastard's got lyme disease!
Bill Pardy: What?
Jack MacReady: Lyme disease. You touch some deer feces, and then you... eat a sandwich without washin' your hands. You got your lyme disease!
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STEGASAURUS

Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:20 PM (P)

Well, when Bennet told the Haitian to "Go Deep" I assumed he was pushing towards having him remove all memory of Claire, if not just the stuff that made her a liability to him. He can't let Those-in-Charge know that he truely loved her and cared for her, or they would get suspicious that he let her go.

And as for The Symbol:

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The symbol

The symbolThe symbol appears most frequently throughout the series. In episode 12 ("Godsend") the symbol, as appears on the sword hilt, is revealed by Ando Masahashi to be a combination of two Japanese characters: 才 (sai) meaning "great talent" and 与 (yo) meaning "Godsend". Appearances include

As a decorative object in the Bennets' home.
In a swimming pool at the scene of one of Sylar's murders. Several flotation devices form the shape. (ep. 102, when Matt is next to the swimming pool, before being questioned by the FBI women)
On a billboard behind Hiro when he teleports at Times Square.
On a drawing done by Peter Petrelli.
On various paintings by Isaac Mendez.
On a post-it note on the map in Mohinder Suresh's apartment.
A pattern in the algorithm of a program in Chandra Suresh's laptop computer.
Written on a geometry textbook owned by Claire Bennet.
Written on pictures in Sylar's apartment.
On Jessica's back whenever she surfaces as Niki's alternate personality. When Jessica is repressed, the symbol does not appear on Niki's back.
On the hilt of a katana once owned by 16th-century samurai Takezo Kensei, possibly the earliest known manifestation of the symbol. This katana is held by future Hiro and sought by present Hiro. The symbol also appears on the replica of the sword, which was stolen from the museum by Hiro.
Printed on the front of Chandra Suresh's book, Activating Evolution.
Printed on the upper-left corner of the 14th issue of 9th Wonders! comic book, written by Isaac Mendez.
On a necklace worn by the Haitian.
On a picture of Niki as "Jessica", painted by Isaac. The symbol was hidden under an extra layer of paint. (Later on, Jessica hides the symbol under a layer of foundation.)
Drawn on a Greyhound bus sign, seen right before D.L. spots the runaway Micah in the episode "Homecoming".
The branch in the tank of Chandra's lizard.
Formed by shards of broken glass on the hallway floor when Sylar attacks Mrs. Bennet.
Seen in the form of an ice sculpture as a dolphin in the kitchen of a Las Vegas casino.
On the poker chips from Linderman's casino.
On the "About Us" page at Primatech Paper Company's website as part of the Heroes 360 experience.
On the sign behind Hiro and Ando when Hiro tells Ando to go home in Unexpected
In the sand where Nikki buries the bodies of the men that she (Jessica) killed.
On the Teenage Haitian's T-Shirt when he first met Mr. Bennet

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