Joss won't be making 'Wonder Woman'

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TDBROWN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 12:28 AM

Straight from the Boss Man's own keyboard...

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12385#more

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BRINGITBACK

Saturday, February 3, 2007 1:14 AM

Well...I'm going to say it.

This is great news for us. Sure, I feel sorry for Joss. But if Firefly/Serenity is ever going to fly again, the window has now been opened.

I'm a little pumped. Is this that first bit of news that we've been waiting for?

Thoughts people! Thoughts!

BRINGITBACK

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:03 AM

This is big news people.

I can't believe this thread doesn't have 200 posts

No more "wait till after Wonder Woman is done and see what happens"

Our time is now.

OPERATIVE1985

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:17 AM

as much as i love joss's work, this doesnt bother me. I didnt care for the character at all.

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DONG3MA5

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:24 AM

All I can say is Wow....

MONKSDAD

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:36 AM

all i can say is holy shit!

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FXSTB02

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:42 AM

Zoinks. I wasn't too thrilled about Wonder Woman, but I would have seen it just to see what Joss did. That said, I agree with most everyone else. Isn't it about time that Sci-Fi or ??? brought back the best sci-fi show ever created?

AURAPTOR

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:56 AM

The spell worked ! Finally!!!!

Now, for the BIG DAMN SEQUEL !

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:25 AM

All this means is I will definately not be seeing Wonder Woman when it comes out. Only reason I was going to was to support our man. This news just saved me $10.

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ASARIAN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bringitback:

Well...I'm going to say it.

This is great news for us. Sure, I feel sorry for Joss. But if Firefly/Serenity is ever going to fly again, the window has now been opened.

I'm a little pumped. Is this that first bit of news that we've been waiting for?

Thoughts people! Thoughts!

Well...I'm going to say it.

This is NOT great news for us. The more Joss is 'outed', the less chance of big studios contracting him for more 'Verse; dong-ma?

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KAYLEEGIRL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 5:11 AM

Asarian, thanks for saying that. I agree. We want Joss to be seen as the "it-man" in Hollywood with makin' the big, blockbuster hits. If "Wonder Woman" would have become a big success, then he'd have less trouble getting more backing to get the BDS on the big screen.

As much as I love, love, LOVE my captain and all the crew of Serenity, we've got to face facts: much as we all love the BDM, it didn't do so well bringing people into the theatres. DVD sales are one thing, box office, however, is the main thing for the muckety-mucks at studios who can hand out the big go-ahead to get Serenity flying again.

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METSRULEIN2K

Saturday, February 3, 2007 5:40 AM

Here's where it helps....Wonder Woman would have consumed Joss's mind for the next year and a half. In this time, the cast is going to be moving on beyond the point of signing back up for another go at a Serenity movie. Think about it, if Wonder Woman came out summer 08, that means Serenity 2 wouldn't be released until potentially four years after the first film ( a long gap by today's standards where the 3 year gap for spider-man and batman has been called excessive) and a whopping SEVEN years after the show first aired. If this thing is going to happen, which we all hope it does, it will probably happen in the next half year (the announcement, that is) after that, hope for future adventures is going to turn into bittersweet nostalgia in a hurry......

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SEAFORT32

Saturday, February 3, 2007 6:16 AM

Yah, I agree with Asarian and KayleeGirl. The more positive exposure Joss gets the more positive exposure our BDS gets.

But on the positive side, he will have time to spend on F/S...we'll have to see how it pans out and we've never got down before :)

If you can't walk, crawl, if you can't crawl...

CHOO1701

Saturday, February 3, 2007 6:27 AM

Yep. There goes the Wonder Woman movie (and the chance of Joss PLAYING wonder woman would of made things easier...)

I feel Joss would have made an excellent script for a DC character who's kind of run-of-the-mill/stuck in a niche.

That, and he could write ass-kicking females awfully well

So goodbye Wonder Woman, hello "Serenity Returns!"evil:

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 6:36 AM

*in his best Hector Barbossa voice* Gents, OUR HOPE IS RESTORED!!!

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FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 7:45 AM

Asarian is right.

First I'm devastated for Joss. This wasn't about Joss just having a writing assignment that he's not wanting to do now.

WB bought a spec script from two unknowns yesterday for WW. Today Joss ceased to work on WW. What does that say to you? This isn't about Joss now having free time to do what he wants so he'll be able to immediately launch into making the BDSequel. This is about Joss not working on a potential opportunity to make it big as a writer and director in Hollywood... something the BDM didn't do for him.

This is bad news.... all the way around. Joss was very brave to come right out and beat the news services and tell us, his fans right there on Whedonesque. Just like him... brave, fine and good thru and thru. That must have been wicked hard to do.

In his post on Whedonesque, Joss said Goners is what is next. We'll all just have to wait and see what happens now.

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THATWEIRDGIRL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 8:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The spell worked ! Finally!!!!

Don't make me hurt you.

Cause I will!

Oh yes...I'll...I'll...I'll...flood your inbox with private messages...yeah, that's what I'll do.

*has been a WW fan since toddlerhood*

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Saturday, February 3, 2007 10:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
WB bought a spec script from two unknowns yesterday for WW. Today Joss ceased to work on WW. What does that say to you?

You and I obviously read different blog postings by the Big Guy. I seem to remember him saying this:

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We just saw different movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's never gonna work....

...The worst thing that can happen in this scenario is that the studio just keeps hammering out changes and the writer falls into a horrible limbo of development. These guys had the clarity and grace to skip that part. So I'm a free man.

So what WB buying a script from two unknowns tells me is that WB found two guys who were willing to have their idea torn apart and rewritten by the studio. Something Joss has too much integriity and self respect to do. Joss wanted the movie one way, WB wanted it another and they couldn't find common ground.

Rather then bemoan the current situation, why not give Joss the credit he deserves? He was not willing to put out something he didn't believe in, wasn't willing to be just a cog in the media machine that is WB. Joss wouldn't do that to his fans. So rather than dig in their heels and force Joss to do it, they opted for a couple of no names that want so bad to get their names out there that they'd be willing to sell their own mothers (or completely bastardize their vision) to achieve that goal.

Does this mean we're getting a BDS? Hell no. There are never any garuntees when it comes to stuff like that, and in the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. The lack of any further adventures with the crew won't lessen the importance (at least to us) or the place in our hearts and minds that Firefly and Serenity have.

This isn't a setback for Joss, nor is it a springboard. It's simply another turn down the exiting adventure that is his career. Be thankful you're along for the ride.

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ASARIAN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 1:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by babywiththepower:

You and I obviously read different blog postings by the Big Guy. I seem to remember him saying this:
Quote:
We just saw different movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's never gonna work....

...The worst thing that can happen in this scenario is that the studio just keeps hammering out changes and the writer falls into a horrible limbo of development. These guys had the clarity and grace to skip that part. So I'm a free man.

So what WB buying a script from two unknowns tells me is that WB found two guys who were willing to have their idea torn apart and rewritten by the studio. Something Joss has too much integriity and self respect to do. Joss wanted the movie one way, WB wanted it another and they couldn't find common ground.

Insisting on one's own artistic integrity and walking away one's own self is quite different from getting fired, basically. Especially so late in the game.

Quote:

I'm as relieved as I am disappointed, and both of those things lead to drink, so that's a plus.... That's the greatest relief of all. I can do interviews again!

When I read things like that, I read primarily between the lines (which is where most of the interesting stuff is found anyhow). Rarely have I seen a man get fired, walking out of his boss' office, saying to himself: "These guys had the clarity and grace to skip that part," and have not at least some huge part of that be a powerful need to cope with a blow that most folks find devastating.

What Joss needed was a big block buster. Some big studio cheese who came along, saying: "Yes, good, you have reputation. 'Joss Whedon gets it done.' is the talk." Now things, not so solid.

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KANEMAN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 1:55 PM

Asarian is wrong. Wonder Woman will bomb at the box office even if Joss makes it. How does Joss having a big flop under his belt help get another FF movie made? I am sure the average male fan that made the "other" super hero movies big hits will not turn out for WW.

TDBROWN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:19 PM

Here's what I posted on Whedonesque:

I'm sure you have mixed feelings about letting WW go, Joss, but it will probably prove to be for the best. WW is a difficult project, and my personal opinion is that it's a trap; A project that may never see the light of day, and will suck if it ever does. -Especially now that you're not part of it!

As your fans, we all have our own take on what you should pursue as your next Project. But you, who have taught us so well that "the Journey is the Worthier Part", have your own path set before you. Please know that we will follow you on your Journey wherever it should lead, be it Comics, Movies, TV, Shadow Puppets, Radio....

We're with you, Boss :)

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NCBROWNCOAT

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:29 PM

How many times has a writer just walked away from something instead of compromising on his vision?

Damm few. Most of the time the writer will just bow to the powers that be and produce at best another run of the mill movie that disappoints at the box office or at worst really, really bombs.

Better to remian true to your artistic vision and make great movies that don't make much money. He displayed extraordinary grace under lots of pressure. He could have come out and really lambasted WB and air his grievances in public like most of Hollywood but he didn't.

I think in a perverse way it may inhance any other movie that Joss makes. The studios now know that he will only compromise so much and that both Joss and the studio better have the same vision in order to get a movie made.

That and the rising stars of the cast of Firefly/Serenity I think will insure that at least another BDM will be made.

BTW I agree that WW will definately flop now.

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FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by babywiththepower:
Rather then bemoan the current situation, why not give Joss the credit he deserves?

I believe I did when I said: "Just like him... brave, fine and good thru and thru. That must have been wicked hard to do."
My comment doesn't demean Joss' integrity. His integrity is not in question.

My comment doesn't just relate to Joss, it relates to everyone's reaction here that this is an opportunity for him to work on Firefly/Serenity. It's not.
It doesn't improve the odds that there will be a sequel to the BDM.

Quote:

This isn't a setback for Joss, nor is it a springboard. It's simply another turn down the exiting adventure that is his career.

I'm sorry I disagree with you about this not being a setback for Joss. ( First understand that my next two sentences do not mean that I think it's Joss' fault.) The perception in Hollywood is that Firefly failed. The fact is that the BDM failed at the box office, although I believe personally that it's sold wonderfully on DVD. Now Joss is no longer attached to an opportunity that he had to be involved with a potential blockbuster. This is not a wonderful moment in his career nor were the other two. This doesn't however mean that I believe that he won't recover from this and work his magic as always.

I just believe that the chances he has to work that magic with the 'Verse are slimmer now.

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Be thankful you're along for the ride.

Believe me, I am. I wouldn't want to be anyplace else and I told him so over on Whedonesque.

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FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
BTW I agree that WW will definately flop now.

I agree as well.

I'll certainly not be going to see it, as the only reason I ever thought about watching it was the chance to see Joss work his magic up on that screen again.

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CBY

Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:02 PM

I think Joss is in a relatively bad position now as a movie script writer.

First, his take on "Alien IV" hasn't been exactly appreciated by many fans of the franchise (that would include me). In the DVD interviews, it becomes pretty clear that some of the "higher-ups" at Fox felt (and probably still feel) the same way.

Second, the BDM didn't do too well because of a lousy marketing campaign trying to sell it as your standard "Star Wars/Trek"-derivative which is - as we all know - pretty far off.

And now this "Wonder Woman"-case. In the eyes of the producers, Joss basically wrote a crappy script (I bet that's what they are going say) and Joss decided not to let his vision get raped by some unknown "script fixers".

Now where does that leave him (and us)? He is an ingenious writer, but his attempts at full scale movie scripts have not worked too well for him in the past and I wonder how many chances he will get in the future. Not too many, I am afraid.

After all, his position in the business as a whole is weakened by this.

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:04 PM

Yes, but this is still another big-screen movie that Joss won't be getting credit for.

And all those who are saying Wonder Woman isn't an interesting character; have you even read the comics? I was eager to see what Joss could've done with her.

Any chance we can talk him into "accidentally" releasing what he has done of the script? If it's not gonna reflect the film itself, then I fail to see the harm.

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ASARIAN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CBY:

I think Joss is in a relatively bad position now as a movie script writer.

First, his take on "Alien IV" hasn't been exactly appreciated by many fans of the franchise (that would include me). In the DVD interviews, it becomes pretty clear that some of the "higher-ups" at Fox felt (and probably still feel) the same way.

Second, the BDM didn't do too well because of a lousy marketing campaign trying to sell it as your standard "Star Wars/Trek"-derivative which is - as we all know - pretty far off.

And now this "Wonder Woman"-case. In the eyes of the producers, Joss basically wrote a crappy script (I bet that's what they are going say) and Joss decided not to let his vision get raped by some unknown "script fixers".

Now where does that leave him (and us)? He is an ingenious writer, but his attempts at full scale movie scripts have not worked too well for him in the past and I wonder how many chances he will get in the future. Not too many, I am afraid.

After all, his position in the business as a whole is weakened by this.

I don't disagree on any particular point. In fact, I agree with everything you said wholeheartedly. And painful as it is to hear, it's also true.

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CHARLIETHEBLOODY

Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:36 PM

I'd kind of given up on a sequel anyway and I agree with the people who say this makes it less likely.

I'd like to see goners made soon but it's probably going to be harder to get someone to make that now too maybe he'll go back to tv where he's got a much better track record and more bankability? as long as he's doing something I don't really mind what it is...

and in the meantime we've got buffy 8 to keep us going

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REGINAROADIE

Saturday, February 3, 2007 4:14 PM

To me this is an "OK" situation. This isn't a "you'll never work in this town again" instance. This is more akin to the whole Kevin Smith/Jon Peter's SUPERMAN incident, where it was just a respected writer/director/comic book geek gets a chance to work on a huge project, him and the producer don't see eye to eye and they split amicably.

And to tell you the truth, that's probably the best outcome of a situation like that. Keep in mind that he was working with Joel Silver. I don't know if a lot of you guys know this, but he had a cameo in WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT as the hot headed director who was berating Roger for seeing birds instead of stars. "I'm not worried about you, I'm worried about the refrigerator!!" And on the commentary track, Bob Zemekis says that he wasn't acting. Next to Don Simpson, Scott Rudin and Harvey Weinstein, Silver is notorious for being the loud mouthed, egocentric, bullying producer who eats assistants for breakfast. So I'm pretty sure that him and Joss would have been butting heads and having screaming matches every day on set.

Only now, we're probably going to miss out on some great stories from Joss about how much a fucked up, kooky dude Joel Silver is.

So yeah, him dropping out of WONDER WOMAN is probably a blessing in disguise. He can do GONERS, which might have the potential to be his PAN'S LABRYNTH (even though I felt PAN'S was slightly overrated), which can get him enough clout to make SERENITY 2. Look at Guiellermo Del Toro. He's prepping for HELLBOY 2, which actually sounds better than the original. Or maybe, just maybe, he might get back into TV, and hopefully on a creative friendly cable network, like SCI-FI or that great dangling carrot known as HBO. I always thought Joss and HBO would make a good match. HBO has always had that policy of "Do what you want, we'll pick up the tab."

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 4:21 PM

Even though Wonder Woman is now probably going to get focus-grouped to death trying to work out a movie that appeals to everyone under the sun, in my opinion WB just lost themselves an easy $20 million from the Browncoat community.

From everyone else's comments, odds are most of us won't be seeing this now. I still might, since I'm a sucker for comic book films. But that's not the point. In a strange way, WB just alienated a whole demographic by dropping Joss.

Not really saying it's good or bad. I just think it's an odd nuance to the whole thing.

As to what this means for the future of Firefly, I think the whole thing just got thrown back up into the air.

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ILUVYOSAFFBRIDGE

Saturday, February 3, 2007 4:22 PM

Normally I would agree with you, but Wonder Woman was a WB project. If it was a Universal movie, or Universal studio execs that did this to Joss than I would definitely say that the chances of a BDS were in jeopardy.

SUCCATASH

Saturday, February 3, 2007 4:59 PM

Poor Joss, he's really had a rough few years.

Firefly - Cancelled
Angel - Cancelled
Serenity - Poor Box Office, no sequel
Spike Movie/Buffyverse Direct to DVD movies: DENIED
Wonder Woman - Fired by WB
Goners - *Crickets* from Universal, they've had over 2 years to greenlight this movie and have not.

Comic books are fun, but it should be something Joss does for fun, it shouldn't be the only job he can get.

I'm very sad about this.

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DERANGEDMILK

Saturday, February 3, 2007 5:05 PM

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Originally posted by charliethebloody:
I'd kind of given up on a sequel anyway and I agree with the people who say this makes it less likely.

Hmph. So much for Browncoat optimism...

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CORNCOBB

Saturday, February 3, 2007 5:06 PM

Well, at least now Joss can give his attention to ideas worthy of him, and stuio execs that'll understand his work.
I wasn't too thrilled about Wonder Woman - would've been a big waste of Joss' time and energy and creativity if you ask me. I agree that positive exposure is good - key word there being 'positive'. i.e. not wonder woman

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KAYLEEGIRL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 7:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Asarian is wrong. Wonder Woman will bomb at the box office even if Joss makes it. How does Joss having a big flop under his belt help get another FF movie made? I am sure the average male fan that made the "other" super hero movies big hits will not turn out for WW.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Kaneman, but there are two kinds of chick flix: 1. the romantic, needin'-some-tissue-at-the-end kind and 2. the omigod-so-many-hot/cute-guys-in-one-movie kind, which includes war and adventure movies.

I've gone to see all the Batman and Spiderman (not to mention LOTR)films in the theatre with a large group of friends in tow -- and most of them have been women. Same group would go to see WW, especially if Joss wrote it![b/]

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CAUSAL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 8:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Asarian is wrong. Wonder Woman will bomb at the box office even if Joss makes it. How does Joss having a big flop under his belt help get another FF movie made? I am sure the average male fan that made the "other" super hero movies big hits will not turn out for WW.

Got yourself a shiny crystal ball, have you?

And turning from the subject of Kaneman to the more general topic of fortune-telling, please do not make me remind us all of the "bigger than Star Wars" predictions before the release of the BDM. Just saying.

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 8:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Hmph. So much for Browncoat optimism...

Right! Because everyone knows that in order to be a true fan, you have to be optimistic to the point of the irrational.

I'm not one for optimism, myself. More like realism. And on a realist view, this news is both good and bad. It ain't the end of the world, but it's hardly as if the heavens have split asunder and Serenity herself flown down to Earth. How's about we take things as they come?

On a related note, one has to wonder what would happen to the fanbase if something happened that crushed all hope. I reckon these boards would be a mite emptier...

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OPERATIVE1985

Saturday, February 3, 2007 8:29 PM

the only way MAKING wonder woman would be good for Joss is if it did great at the box office. And I dont see any iteration of Wonder Woman doing big numbers. So this is a double edge sword. On one hand, if Joss is somehow outed in hollywood or given a bad rep, we will NEVER see anything more of the verse. But its good because he can get a better project to come out with and wow everyone. Wonder Woman wouldnt of done that.

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HIIAMJANET

Saturday, February 3, 2007 8:40 PM

Quote:
It's simply another turn down the exiting adventure that is his career. Be thankful you're along for the ride.

i hope that was a typo

CAUSAL

Saturday, February 3, 2007 8:58 PM

Look, everybody! O-1985 has a crystal ball, too!

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:05 PM

I've read most of the postings here but I'm a little pressed for time so I'll post this and get to the rest later. I did want to put my 2 cents in.

From the begining I really got the vibe that Joss wasn't in to WW. Sorry if that hurts anyones feelings but it's JMO. I've read what he's posted on Whedoncom and I just don't see heartbreak there. If this is giving him the chance to move on to ANY other project that he IS more in tune with then I think it's great! I'm with him all the way and I know the browncoats haven't given up on any FF/Serenity works that I would love to see come up.

Joss didn't compromise himself on FF or Serenity and I don't think he should on WW,if his heart wasn't into it. If he hadn't given full effort to FF and the BDM we wouldn't love them as much as we do. You can always tell when someone Cherishes their "Baby" and when they do not.

Z

TDBROWN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
How's about we take things as they come?

On a related note, one has to wonder what would happen to the fanbase if something happened that crushed all hope. I reckon these boards would be a mite emptier...

We've certainly had some "happenings" that have come close, haven't we?

-The "No Serenity Sequel Ever" Rumor, when Joss was misquoted in almost every "news" link on the web

-The Universal Legal Department's crackdown on Unlicensed Vendors, which alienated a lot of Folks from the 'verse

-The infamous Cancellation of FLAN II

-And now this.

But Guess what? We're still here, still strong!

-Joss denied the no Serenity EVER rumor by simply saying "If someone writes a check..."

.

-The Vendors backed down a bit, the Legal Department did too, and you can still satisfy your need for 'verse Pretties, be they Licensed or fan made

-The wonder that was B3... need I say more about That?

-And now, Joss has options he can pursue, and he will. We just have to Hold; Hold until our time arises again. When, and in what form that will be... who knows? Joss did indeed say it best:
"The Journey is the Worthier Part"

I have both good and bad memories of this Journey we're on, but I won't trade it for ANYthing!

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TDBROWN

Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:24 PM

Gorram double posts... my first one on This Board!

OPERATIVE1985

Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Look, everybody! O-1985 has a crystal ball, too!

no its called common sense. If a movie doestn do well in the box office, studios are less prone to hire you. I dont have a crystal ball, but you have a really lame sense of humor.

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CYBERSNARK

Saturday, February 3, 2007 9:54 PM

Actually I think he meant typoing "exiting" (leaving now) for "exciting" (woohoo).

One describes Joss' career. The other most certainly does not.

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Saturday, February 3, 2007 10:04 PM

I'm with the Good News crowd on this. Mabye not enough millions of people went to see Serenity in the theaters to generate a box-office mandated sequel, but now many more millions have seen the movie on HBO, and Netflix, bought all the DVD's and are hungry for more. Joss knows this...With potential release date of Christmas 2009, with big-time sequel promotion effort like so many un-deserving films always seem to get, Firefly's 'verse could become really hot and then spawn another tv series.

ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, February 3, 2007 11:37 PM

http://gonersmovie.com

which has a fan community http://fans.gonersmovie.com/

Goners Internet movie database page

http://imdb.com/ search Goners not listed under Popular Results It is listed right now under Other Results.

AERIN

Sunday, February 4, 2007 12:00 AM

Well, I no longer have any interest in seeing WW. I'm big into comic book movies, but I can't imagine this turning out well without Joss. Now I'm picturing it something like Catwoman (which I admittedly haven't seen). Joss could have pulled it off because he knows how to make powerful women characters that don't look ridiculous. WW is a cool character in comic books, but in the flesh it's hard to get past that outfit. She looks like a patriotic dominatrix.

Or maybe I just don't get it because I'm a chick.

OPERATIVE1985

Sunday, February 4, 2007 12:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Aerin:
Well, I no longer have any interest in seeing WW. I'm big into comic book movies, but I can't imagine this turning out well without Joss. Now I'm picturing it something like Catwoman (which I admittedly haven't seen). Joss could have pulled it off because he knows how to make powerful women characters that don't look ridiculous. WW is a cool character in comic books, but in the flesh it's hard to get past that outfit. She looks like a patriotic dominatrix.

Or maybe I just don't get it because I'm a chick.

trust me, catwoman is as bad as everyone says it is.

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Sunday, February 4, 2007 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by hiiamjanet:
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It's simply another turn down the exiting adventure that is his career. Be thankful you're along for the ride.

i hope that was a typo

Why would it be?

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STINKINGROSE

Sunday, February 4, 2007 12:57 AM

The only reason I would have gone was for the writing. Now? Not so much.

I'm not giving up hope of a sequel or a series. I am starting to think that the cast may have to play their characters' parents at this rate..
but I'm not the most patient person in the world.

Now, if everyone can stop trying to call each other big dummies without coming right out and saying it this will be a much more pleasant thread.

Opinions are opinions and nothing more, conjecture is just guessing, nobody has a crystal ball, and we have taken a turn down the trousers of time. Nothing left to do but wait and see.

CAUSAL

Sunday, February 4, 2007 1:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Operative1985:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Look, everybody! O-1985 has a crystal ball, too!

no its called common sense. If a movie doestn do well in the box office, studios are less prone to hire you. I dont have a crystal ball, but you have a really lame sense of humor.

Jesus, O-1985, did you really think I was referring to the not-hiring thing? Give me a break. I was referring to the (obviously) erroneous notion that anyone can look into the future and predict how a movie is going to do (with the possible exception of Fantastic 4). Who knew Clerks would do so well? Or Brokeback Mountain? Or Star Wars for that matter? Hell, I'd have gone to see WW (still might), just to see what kind of treatment they give it.

But I'm sorry, I've forgotten that when you're 16 you know everything. My bad.

/snarky

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TAMSIBLING

Sunday, February 4, 2007 1:43 AM

Can I just say - AMEN!

I think this is a good thing and here's why:

No matter how brilliant Joss is, as long as the studio kept micromanaging him the project was never going to work.

Plus now, he has time for those other projects, like say - A new season of Firefly, a Serenity sequel or some combination thereof ...

Please, Joss - if you read this site at all, make it happen my friend!

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DIGIFICWRITER

Sunday, February 4, 2007 2:59 AM

As much as I would love to see a continuation of the 'verse, Joss losing out on the chance to make Wonder Woman - especially coming on the heels of the supposed failure of Serenity and the cancellation of Firefly and ANGEL - puts a serious damper on his career in the movies. He's trying to establish himself as a mainstream director and writer (rather than just a script-doctor, which is what he was already known for), but he keeps running into problems: his first film didn't sell nearly as well as he and the studio were hoping it would, and now he's lost out on the chance to catapult his career by bringing to life one of DC Comics' primary superheroes in 'Wonder Woman'. Although it's still possible that Universal COULD greenlight a Serenity sequel, the chances of it actually being successful are consderiably lower than they otherwise might have been had he had the opportunity to make a name for himself as a film director and writer with 'Wonder Woman'.

Also, from what I know of Joss, his calling himself a 'free man' is most likely an attempt to 'soften the blow' and help himself - and us - deal with the fact that the studio decided to cut him loose (which is definitely the case).

As great as Joss is, he really needs a mainstream success story as a director and writer to get his Hollywood film career back where it used to be (when he was a highly successful script doctor); here's hoping this 'Goners' project will be the 'magic ticket', 'cause if it's not, I'm not sure if Joss's career will be able to recover given the setbacks he's suffered already.

Take my love
Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell 'em I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I've found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me

OPERATIVE1985

Sunday, February 4, 2007 2:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Operative1985:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Look, everybody! O-1985 has a crystal ball, too!

no its called common sense. If a movie doestn do well in the box office, studios are less prone to hire you. I dont have a crystal ball, but you have a really lame sense of humor.

Jesus, O-1985, did you really think I was referring to the not-hiring thing? Give me a break. I was referring to the (obviously) erroneous notion that anyone can look into the future and predict how a movie is going to do (with the possible exception of Fantastic 4). Who knew Clerks would do so well? Or Brokeback Mountain? Or Star Wars for that matter? Hell, I'd have gone to see WW (still might), just to see what kind of treatment they give it.

But I'm sorry, I've forgotten that when you're 16 you know everything. My bad.

/snarky

haha im the 16 year old now? who responded with sarcasm when i was just being involved in the thread? that would be you. I didnt agree with you, but you dont see me being sarcastic and rude. All I was saying is that this is a good thing, because even as good as Joss is, i dont believe Wonder Woman is the project he needs to do right now. With him OFF the project, he wont be negated by it when it does sub par in the box office. Thats the last thing he needs. So get off my back and grow up.

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Sunday, February 4, 2007 3:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
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This isn't a setback for Joss, nor is it a springboard. It's simply another turn down the exiting adventure that is his career.

I'm sorry I disagree with you about this not being a setback for Joss.

Of course you do, because you're focusing on the negative. That's the problem. Not everything that happens to Joss and our BDHs is either going to help or hurt a sequel. Joss working on WW would not have impacted the probability of a sequel at all. Not one bit. Universal knows there is a fanbase out here for Serenity and they know that not a single one of us would be swayed by the outcome of WW's revenues. They also know that 90% of movie goers don't give a rats ass who directs a movie, they go for the content. Think more people would have gone to see Serenity if Joss wrote it and Spielburg was directing it? I don't.

WW would have zero impact on a sequel. Well that's not true, as someone stated earlier, the time Joss would have had to dedicate to WW would have all but eliminated the possability of a sequel.

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I just believe that the chances he has to work that magic with the 'Verse are slimmer now.

They were slim to begin with. I understand the desire to keep holding the torch, but come on. Do you honestly think that everything that happens in the lives and careers of those associated with this project affects a Serenity sequel that greatly? Do you honestly think Nathan being in Lost and White Noise 2, or Jewel being in The Tribe, or Gina's projects and pregnancy, or Adam's TV appearances (need I go on?) helped the chances of a sequel? No, they didn't. All it means is that they've found work, and God bless them for that.

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CAUSAL

Sunday, February 4, 2007 3:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Operative1985:
haha im the 16 year old now?

Well, I guess I just assumed that the "98% of teens have smoked pot..." line in your sig actually meant something. But I suppose that it could always be the case that you're a creepy forty-five year old in a sweat-stained wife-beater who likes pretending to be a teenager so he can talk to teenage girls. Who knows, really? That's the wonder of the internet.

Quote:
who responded with sarcasm when i was just being involved in the thread?

Actually, if you'll look carefully, only the second half of that post was meant sarcastically, and that just barely. If my memory of my own teenage years serves me correctly, I also labored under the delusion that I knew it all--so really, the only sarcastic thing in there was the apology. Perhaps your sarcasm detector needs a tune-up? Next time I'll make sure to use [ sarcasm ] and [ /sarcasm ] to insure that there's no confusion.

Quote:
I didnt agree with you, but you dont see me being sarcastic and rude...get off my back and grow up.

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

Quote:
All I was saying is that this is a good thing, because even as good as Joss is, i dont believe Wonder Woman is the project he needs to do right now. With him OFF the project, he wont be negated by it when it does sub par in the box office. [ emphasis added ]

And now, after a long and pointless diversion we return to the point that I was originally trying to make. And after two failed attempts to make you understand, I've grown weary of trying to say this artfully, so here we go with language even you will be sure to understand: there is no way for you to know how the Wonderwoman movie is going to do at the box office. And before you object--no, there really isn't. Wait, wait--nope. And given that it's the case that none of us (yourself included) can perfectly predict future box-office performance, none of us (yourself included) can really know whether or not the project would help or hurt Joss Whedon's value to movie studios. [ sarcasm ] So gee, I'm not really sure it's the open-and-shut case that you seem to think it is. [ /sarcasm ]

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SPACEGIRL32

Sunday, February 4, 2007 3:50 AM

Hey Baby!

I just wanted to jump in and say you are 100% right. How many of us who are posting here really understand this movie/TV Business? I mean....come on? They made Serenity! AFTER a CANCELED TV SHOW!

The point is we just don't know anything. We will see what 2007 holds.

OPERATIVE1985

Sunday, February 4, 2007 4:42 AM

Casual, i understood your point. its the way you started by mocking me. I could care less if you dont agree with my opinion. I believe the movie would do poorly, Im allowed to predict/guess, that doesnt mean its fact or that i deserve to be mocked by you. Like i said, grow up. Im done replying to you, your very unpleasant.

But let me apologize from just voicing my opinion, apparently thats not allowed on this board.

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DQBABY76

Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:55 AM

i know this is a stupid question, but what is this "GONERS" project?

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ANONYMOUS1

Sunday, February 4, 2007 7:56 AM

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Originally posted by dqbaby76:
i know this is a stupid question, but what is this "GONERS" project?

Not a stupid question.

http://gonersmovie.com

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Goners is a supernatural thriller movie from Joss Whedon (Serenity) under development by Universal Pictures.

which has a fan community http://fans.gonersmovie.com/

and this blog area

http://blog.gonersmovie.com/

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Sunday, November 26, 2006
Update from Joss Whedon about Goners

Goners is a film that brewed in me for a few years, and then after I finished filming Serenity, I just up and wrote it, because I've been waiting to for so long. It's a supernatural thriller.

There's not much I'm gonna say about it, because I have no idea when it'll happen, and every piece of information will get chewed over so thoroughly that I'm afraid if I talk about it at all, by the time the movie actually comes out people will be tired of it.

It's about a girl named Mia - people know that - who sort of sees in a mystical way the underbelly of the city and of human society, and goes through a kind of extraordinary hell, and we all have a lot of fun in the process.

It's very much the kind of fiction that I tell. That is to say, I love this character and I've been seeing a lot of horror movies that are torture-porn, where kids we don't care about are mutilated for hours, and I just cannot abide them.

This is much more a story about -- literally about human connection and whether or not it's possible.

But it's told on a very mystical scale and, in a way like everything I've tried to do including Buffy, it's an antidote to that very kind of film, the horror movie with the expendable human beings in it. Because I don't believe any human beings are.

Thanks to Fan Boy Radio.

// posted by Goners @ 5:44 PM

Goners Internet movie database page

http://imdb.com/ search Goners not listed under Popular Results It is listed right now under Other Results.

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

Sunday, February 4, 2007 1:57 PM

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Originally posted by derangedmilk:
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Originally posted by charliethebloody:

I'd kind of given up on a sequel anyway and I agree with the people who say this makes it less likely.

Hmph. So much for Browncoat optimism...
-e

optimisms overated, I don't have the pep to keep it up for years on end

but to answer the person who wondered if the boards would empty when the hope went away, I don't think so, I know I'd keep coming back cos I've made friends (and enemies) and talk about other things than serenifly, the communities have grown beyond whether or not we get a sequel or whatever...

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, February 4, 2007 2:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The spell worked ! Finally!!!!

Don't make me hurt you.

Cause I will!

Oh yes...I'll...I'll...I'll...flood your inbox with private messages...yeah, that's what I'll do.

*has been a WW fan since toddlerhood*

Ooooh, baby! Hurt me! Hurt me!

Just to clarify, not so much a strike AGAINST WW, but just hoping Joss gets all bored and restless that he turns his creative powers toward making Serenity 2: The Companions Strike Back!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

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MOONSHINER

Sunday, February 4, 2007 3:27 PM

The dismissal of Wonder Woman opens up creative space for his other projects. Still the question remains, will his other projects be accepted by the movie industry?

A Serenity sequel will have a greater chance of being accepted than Wonderwoman or his other projects for that matter. Simply because nobody has ever seen Wonderwoman and nobody knows for sure if it's going to be successful. On the other hand Serenity has proven itself. So if I were a neutral Universal representative I would choose Serenity over anything else.

Don't worry guys! This brings us one step closer to Firefly :-)

JWHEDONADDICT

Sunday, February 4, 2007 4:28 PM

My take on the issue has to do with Wonder Woman being a jump for Joss toward mainstream success. With mainstream success, he could do just about anything, eventually, including possibly more Serenity sequels and/or a, dare I hope, BUFFY movie, etc.

I always felt that if anyone could get me to care about a superhero movie, it's Joss.

I also find it pretty ironic that a guy who used to be in demand to fix other people's shoddy scripts for movies that eventually became blockbusters(Speed, Twister, Toy Story, etc.) isn't being taken seriously at his first real attempt at his own.

Sorry for Joss (and the many who are losing out on his brilliance), hope it's a "yay" for us, though not sure if I believe it at this point.

JWHEDONADDICT

Sunday, February 4, 2007 5:05 PM

Forgive me if this was stated before and I missed it, but Alien IV was directed by someone else (as was the original BUFFY movie). Those directors had the freedom to do what they wanted with the script. Joss admits they were both bad, neither of which is entirely his fault.

As for the original BUFFY movie, director Fran Kuzui's vision was that it was "not a vampire movie, but a pop culture comedy about what people think about vampires."

Watch the series, which was finally done in Joss's original vision for the movie, or hell, the movie itself and ask yourself just what in the hell was she smoking when the movie was made?

Anyway, if you're going to find fault with him, be fair and do it with things he DID have total creative control over, like all three series and SERENITY.

Bottom line: They should have trusted him to know what he was doing, and they didn't and so it's they're own fault it's going to suck.

GTHING

Sunday, February 4, 2007 5:41 PM

I wish I knew what this means, but I don't.

I guess I wish for better things for Joss. There's no reason to believe, after all, that this is going to open a special door for Firefly.

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MATTCOZ

Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:00 PM

After just seeing Superman II : The Donner Cut, I'm not surprised in the least about Joss being dumped from the movie. I would love to think that this means that Firefly/Serenity could get a chance, but he wasn't the only one we had to worry about. Many of the actors have current gigs.

PINBALLWIZARD

Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:00 PM

Poor Joss, I'm sure he could've made it work. It would have been nice to get a successful movie under his belt. I think it might be a little selfish to assume that he's going to jump right into BDM2. Let us all make a promise not to smother him with requests for the thing, right? Everyone promise now. Ya hear me?

No, I am not insane, I am crazy. Thank you for asking.

ARCLIGHT

Monday, February 5, 2007 12:59 PM

A film named "Wonder Woman" weren't never gonna be a successful movie anyway regardless of who wrote, produced, directed or starred in it. It's loser sh*t from the get go. Can't imagine why Joss was involved with the project to begin with. Better off working on "Big Mama's House 4"

GRIZWALD

Monday, February 5, 2007 1:29 PM

Waaaay up there somebody wrote

Quote:
the chance of Joss PLAYING wonder woman

and I just have to say I spewed cake crumbs all over the place. (Yes, I am eating a piece of my DD's 16th birthday cake for breakfast.)

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Monday, February 5, 2007 1:41 PM

I have to say that I am a bit shocked at this news. Of course I am not really surprised that Warner Brothers could not understand or appreciate Joss's vision for the movie and character.

Let's hope that now that he has some more free time he will dedicate a portion of it to our 'verse.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 2:06 PM

Heh. If you count Vigilante as a Nathan cameo (Nathan played Vig on JLU), this is even more on-topic:

Those last three panels are comedy gold. Batman makes everything funnier.

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EMBERS

Monday, February 5, 2007 2:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
Goners - *Crickets* from Universal, they've had over 2 years to greenlight this movie and have not.

I was under the impression that Joss' contract w/Joel Silver required him to wait on 'Goners', that Joss had to work exclusively (in terms of the movie industry, not w/regard to comic books) on Wonder Woman....
I'm hoping that tearing up that contract w/Joel Silver means that 'Goners' WILL go ahead now....

of course there is the problem of Mary Parent no longer being w/Universal....

but I hear that horror pictures always get the green light (that they always make good $$$)

we shall see, I suppose.

At any rate, I would have loved to have seen Joss' vision for Wonder Woman, but if we were going to see Joel Silver's vision with Joss' name attached to a great big turkey, then I'm happier without it.

SUCCATASH

Monday, February 5, 2007 10:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
I was under the impression that Joss' contract w/Joel Silver required him to wait on 'Goners', that Joss had to work exclusively (in terms of the movie industry, not w/regard to comic books) on Wonder Woman....

Hi Embers. I remember this article from a year ago, where Joss said he'd do whatever came first.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=17839

I don't know which will come first, it's really which studio is the most interested in making one of them."

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EMBERS

Monday, February 5, 2007 10:51 PM

oh yeah, I remember that...I even had the impression that Joss wanted to do Goners first,
and then suddenly it became clear he was working only on the Wonder Woman script, which I thought meant that Joel Silver had cracked his whip...
here at Whedonesque he talked of doing Goners after WW:
http://whedonesque.com/comments/9528#more
(although clearly he wasn't sounding like he thought nothing would be happening on WW for a full year!)

of course I was just saying what my impression was, and obviously I'm just a confused by stander who thinks that Joel Silver evil and ...
er ....
okay, I'll be quiet now.

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, February 5, 2007 10:59 PM

Reasons why Joss isn't writing Wonder Woman any more:

Pitch 1

Joss: "Okay, so we open with the credits and then the first thing we see is... Lex Luthor standing proudly over the corpse that used to be Superman!"

Pitch 2

Joss: "...so Wonder Woman is betrayed by the Green Lantern and Hawkman. She's hurt. She's vulnerable. In her darkest hour she turns to The Flash for support. What she doesn't know is that Batman, who has turned evil, has secretly taken over The Flash's mind. The Flash kills Wonder Woman and then-"

Pitch 3

Joss: "So our happy, cheerful Wonder Woman decides to go home for a visit. She walks into an almost empty palace, and notices her Mum is sitting on the throne. Then she notices she's sort of slumped to one side, like she's asleep. It's not until we do a close up shot that we see that her Mother's eyes are wide open and unblinking..."

Pitch 4

Joss: "But she broke some guys neck in the comics!!! I'm sure she did!!!"

Pitch 5

Joss: "Now it's not until Black Canary raises her from the dead a second time that she gets really depressed. Which is an issue, since raising the dead kinda pushed Canary over the edge..."

Pitch 6

Joss: "So... she's not allowed make any quips when she kills people? Wait... what do you mean she's not allowed kill people???"

Pitch 7

Joss: "So not only has she lost all her superpowers, but it turns out that The Green Lantern is responsible!

Pitch 8

Joss: "That's when Batman tries to rape her..."

Pitch 9

Joss: "And this part is very important... as she leaves Paradise Island forver, it blows up behind her! See, that was the plan all along!"

Pitch 10

Joss: "And then this little sister arrives out of nowhere but... and this is the best bit... everyone is acting like she's always been there!"

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LEXIBLOCK

Monday, February 5, 2007 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KayleeGirl:
Asarian, thanks for saying that. I agree. We want Joss to be seen as the "it-man" in Hollywood with makin' the big, blockbuster hits.

But its never going to happen. He can't get past wanting to kill our darlings.

CHRISISALL

Monday, February 5, 2007 11:53 PM

Only Joss or Jim Cameron could have done WW right; now it will suck

Get us out from under, Wonder Woman! Chrisisall

MIMA

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 1:21 AM

Aerin-

roflmao- patriotic dominatrix!
When I heard joss was on this idea, that was my FIRST thought- please spirit, change that awful costume. Maybe a little slip dress: red on the bust with a gauzy white bottom and honkin big blue motorcycle boots. the armguards can be those thick goth bracelets ala renaissance faires and the gold whip... it's just gotta go.

desktop hippie- I get that you're saying he's too action/humor/character-devastating for the franchise, but I think he would be true to the original and made it fresh. I believe in joss. I would be really really really interested in reading his script/vision after the studio makes their attempt.

QUICKSAND

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:43 PM

The following, I'm sure, never actually happened:

Joss: Well, here's the script. It's awesome. Just like the last 42 drafts.

Studio: I don't know, John. You keep writing scripts where something cool happens, and I don't know that the public wants that.

Joss: Well, I've been doing this a few years--

Studio: Yes, huge success on TV and all that, we know all about it, George. Comics world god, fanboys, whatever. But could you write something a little more... y'know... a little less "good," a little more "Hulk?"

Joss: Uh... (a single man-tear rolls down his cheek)

Studio: Or what about... what was that movie... Alien Resurrection? I loved that movie. Write something like that.

Joss: (kills everyone in the room)

........... and, scene.

(p.s. can we have Goners by the end of 2007? Please? Pretty please? I'll be your best friend, Joss. I'm an excellent cook, everyone says so)

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 8:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mima:

desktop hippie- I get that you're saying he's too action/humor/character-devastating for the franchise, but I think he would be true to the original and made it fresh. I believe in joss. I would be really really really interested in reading his script/vision after the studio makes their attempt.

To be honest, I wasn't really commenting on Joss. Just making a funny

I'm a huge Buffy fan, and the idea of the Buffy-esque pitches Joss might have made to the studio always amused me.

Personally, I'm dissapointed he won't be making the movie as I would have loved to have seen what he did with the character. Still, I have Goners to look forward to now. Bet Mia is way cooler than Wonder Woman!

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BATTLESTARMINNESOTIA

Tuesday, February 6, 2007 9:09 PM

I hate to commit heresy in this room, but I'm gonna have to say this:

Joss's biggest success commercially was probably Buffy and the spin-offs. And personally, I think that Firefly was his best work. Better than the BDM I think.

On other words, episodic character driven TV is his best medium. Major motion pictures don't seem to really jibe with his talents. He's just not a Spielberg or Scorcese or Cameron.

Sure, The Movies are all sexy and glamorous and all, but considering how GOOD Fiefly is--especially compared to Alien IV--I really think TV is where he belongs, professionally and creatively.

When I listen to the BSG commentary podcast each week, I'm always struck by how much fun they seem to be having, how hard they are working, and how little the network seems to interfere with their creative process. And how much they love what they are doing.

Ok so commence flaying me alive here folks :)

BSG-38 Minnesotia

CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 12:41 AM

Actually, I'm inclined to agree.

I'm one of those who believes that TV is inherently superior to movies. A movie is only about two hours, maybe three if you're Peter Jackson. The usual first order for a TV series is 13 episodes. Even if you end up getting cancelled, that's thirteen hours of time you get to spend with your characters (fifteen, if you get the double-sized pilot episode extra).

OTOH, movies are much higher-profile, suited to today's ADD-based pop culture. Joss' TV cred is golden, it's the publicity he needs, which means he needs movies. A few blockbusters later, no mere network will have the cojones to say "no" to him (and if they do, other networks will be eager to pick up anything he tosses them).

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METALSLUG

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:28 AM

It is really unfortunate that Joss if off Wonder Woman, because it could have been the recognition boost he needed. I know he has legion of Buffy,Angel,Firefly,Serenity fans in the verse. I myself am a browncoat, but I don't think he has the industry recognition that he truly deserves. Take for example Sam Rami, he also had a loyal fan base, but it wasn't untill he made Spiderman and became a box office champ that he finally got the recognition he deserved. I just think Wonder Woman would have been a good boost for Joss to show a lot more people just how talented this guy really is.

FOLLOWMAL

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:58 AM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
To be honest, I wasn't really commenting on Joss. Just making a funny I'm a huge Buffy fan, and the idea of the Buffy-esque pitches Joss might have made to the studio always amused me.

Personally, I'm dissapointed he won't be making the movie as I would have loved to have seen what he did with the character. Still, I have Goners to look forward to now. Bet Mia is way cooler than Wonder Woman!

You made me giggle, DTH.. went back and giggled just now.

I agree... I would have loved to have seen what Joss' genius could have done with WW. Mia however is now calling... I'm quite fascinated with this idea and character. Knowing Joss it'll blow my socks off!

That being said....

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Originally posted by BattlestarMinnesotia:
I hate to commit heresy in this room, but I'm gonna have to say this:

Joss's biggest success commercially was probably Buffy and the spin-offs. And personally, I think that Firefly was his best work. Better than the BDM I think.

On other words, episodic character driven TV is his best medium. Major motion pictures don't seem to really jibe with his talents. He's just not a Spielberg or Scorcese or Cameron.

Sure, The Movies are all sexy and glamorous and all, but considering how GOOD Fiefly is--especially compared to Alien IV--I really think TV is where he belongs, professionally and creatively.

When I listen to the BSG commentary podcast each week, I'm always struck by how much fun they seem to be having, how hard they are working, and how little the network seems to interfere with their creative process. And how much they love what they are doing.

Ok so commence flaying me alive here folks :)

BSG-38 Minnesotia

No flaying necessary.. we enjoy the fair exchange of opinions and ideas 'round here.

I don't disagree with you on any particular point... Joss' forte is the ongoing, long form of story telling. 'Course he's damn fine at the flash by, goes too fast movie makin' thing too. I think he'd get better at it too.. the more he makes. Let's hope that Goner's is the one that now makes his name big. It's the name recognition by many, big glad handing following of execs that we need for him to have in Hollywood that nets us the possibility of more.

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 9:20 AM

Oh, c'mon people! Toy Story? Hello? Joss got an oscar for that for crying out loud! I know he was part of a team, but still! The guy can write popular movies. Heck, the whole point of a script doctor is to make sure everything works as well as possible in as short a space as possible.

As for why he quit Wonder Woman, I have it on very bad authority that the studio is hoping to make a parody of the 70's show. After his bad experience with the Buffy movie I don't blame him for pulling out.

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FOLLOWMAL

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 9:30 AM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Oh, c'mon people! Toy Story? Hello? Joss got an oscar for that for crying out loud! I know he was part of a team, but still! The guy can write popular movies. Heck, the whole point of a script doctor is to make sure everything works as well as possible in as short a space as possible.

I know, DTH.. I agree.. Toy Story is a masterpiece, genuinely. But I was referring to directing.. I want him to have that big chance to be a "big" director, you know, household name and all.

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After his bad experience with the Buffy movie I don't blame him for pulling out.

I don't blame him for pulling out, if that's what happened... I'm just sorry it happened. WW could have been a big hit for Joss and made him a name in Hollywood within the movie industry that the BDM didn't.. and I think we all could have benefited from that.. not least of all Joss.. who would have more free rein to do what he wants to do. Joss doing what he wants to do makes me happy.

'Course Mia may kick ass.. and leave everyone in the dust and make him the new "it" director! I can't wait to see Goners!

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ZOID

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 10:45 AM

*a creaking noise is heard from the basement, as a lead-lined lid is opened, and a voice, thin and ghostly, wafts up the stairs...*

"Who stole m' golden arm?"...

No, wait. Ummm, what I meant to say was, I always had more than a little doubt about the validity of Wonder Woman.

While I was happy that Joss had the opportunity to make a major motion picture -- and while I was certain that the characters and dialogue would have been excellent -- I doubted that the movie would do anything but lose money at the box office.

It appears to me that the industry and moviegoers are about tuckered out on comics-based films. Witness the spectacular failures of the latest Superman foray, the Fantastic 4, and the last installment of X-Men. "But like all true love, it withered on the vine..."

So, while I'm sad Joss couldn't make a ton of dough and earn some serious credibility on a big-budget project, I'm also thrilled that he didn't continue with a project that seemed doomed to failure. Wonder Woman?! How stereotypical of 1940's womanhood can you get? In order to bring her into the present, you'd have to reinvent her so thoroughly that she'd be a new character and no longer Wonder Woman (starting with 40's Miss America contest bathing suit).

As bad as this turn may seem for our favorite storyteller, I'm telling you that he -- and we -- got shot in the donkey with luck on this one...

Thankfully,

zoid

P.S.
God (a.k.a. Morena Baccarin) never closes a door without opening another one... Preferably, that door will be on SciFi, Sundays at 8 or 9, holding hands with Battlestar Galactica, and spawn theatrical releases based on the new TV series. That's my dream.

*Mollified, the Ghost of Firefly Past crawls back into its lonely, cold bed, and dreams of the Day of its Resurrection*
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CYBERSNARK

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 3:19 PM

ZOID!!

We missed you!

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ANTHONYT

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 4:17 PM

It seems to me a lot like good ole Joss was fired.

Signs of trouble have been a long time coming, with the eternal scriptwriting of doom. He admitted to having a lot of trouble with it.

The Wonder Woman project was his chance to prove to everyone that he could make a blockbuster.

It was his chance for validation, and to write his own ticket.

It's a chance lost.

I don't think he's gotten his self-confidence back since making Serenity.

I think Joss is hurting.

--Anthony

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TERRI

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 6:21 PM

Boy o, boy o, that's a definate downer for me. I would have loved for Joss to take on the ultimate warrior girl. Still, I mean, as a general fan of Joss' work, and a complete lover of his writing style, I think that he would have done the franchise really well. I'm sorry, but I just can't see this as a good thing. I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze the guy, cause I don't know him, but I think that his writing style is a little too different for big time Hollywood. He focuses on characters that other writers glaze over, he brings forth plot points that make big time Hollywood execs shiver, and he has no qualms with doing what he thinks will be intresting and exciting, even when it hurts. (I'm thinking of a classy shepherd and a funny pilot here) Especially for the big budget movies that these super hero movies are supposed to be; it has to fit the mold. And Joss doesn't do that well. So, I'm a little sad to see Joss' involvment go the way of the (plastic) dinosaur, I would have loved to see what he would have done with it.

ASARIAN

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 7:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

Zoid!

Asarian's first law of evidentiary spatial inequivalence: good folks leave an emptier space than the one they occupied.

In other words: I missed you. :) And it's good to see you again.

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ZOID

Wednesday, February 7, 2007 10:49 PM

Cybersnark wrote:

Quote:
ZOID!!

We missed you!

...and asarian added...

Quote:
Zoid!

Asarian's first law of evidentiary spatial inequivalence: good folks leave an emptier space than the one they occupied.

In other words: I missed you. :) And it's good to see you again.

Well, what can I say? Football season is over. My first passion has been snuffed for another six months. Of course, 'my' Cowboys (don't hate me, they're my childhood team) are in the process of hiring a new coaching staff, so that prolongs the interest somewhat...

But, I've been lurk-only around here since late July (a.k.a., start of training camp), and posting on the inaugural Cowboys Fan Forum site. I will tell you this: Between the Cowboys' fans and the Cowboys' haters that sign up just to say insulting stuff to each other, there's scarcely two brain cells between 'em.

I am really looking forward to returning to intelligent discourse on this site (at least until summer, when football beckons irresistibly, once more). Hey, I can't help it. I'm an old-fashioned guy...

Meantime, Joss no longer being a part of the WW project is going to turn out to be a blessing, believe me. Getting saved from making a colossal career mistake -- a huge-budget craptacular that no one will pay to see in a theatre -- keeps the door open for future projects. I guaran-dam-tee that a failure of the magnitude WW is gonna turn out to be would have put an end to Joss' dream of being a filmmaker, forever.

Thanks, 'snark and asarian, for remembering me. I was never far away, and Firefly will forever be in my heart, as will you all...

Respectfully,

zoid
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KINGCOBRA

Thursday, February 8, 2007 4:18 AM

well fans of the browncoats, every day i hope that the news will come that it is back on the air, it sucks just as the actors start to develop the charactors they ( the suits up stairs) stop a good show right in its track, well lets hope that it will be back on, hell if it does i'll try to get cable turned back on, it cost to much for me im on S.S.D. (DISABLED) but if there is firefly back on i will find a way some how. i'll eat more rice! blessed be my friends of firefly. p.s. this is the 2nd time for me on the site, thank you for making the site!! im a summer fan, did any one see her in C.S.I. im sure most of us did, her part should have been longer.

kingcobra, aka. steven King, oregon.

KINGCOBRA

Thursday, February 8, 2007 4:22 AM

oh yes one more thing, i was very happy to see RON GLASS on tv, a very, very good actor!! keep up the good job Mr. GLASS

kingcobra

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, February 8, 2007 12:23 PM

Glad to see you posting again Zoid. I had wondered where you had got to.

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RIVERSMAN

Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:11 PM

Flop or not, set back of not. whatever......"WE ARE STILL FLYING" we are tenacious...after all

"she always did love to dance"

FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
I was never far away, and Firefly will forever be in my heart, as will you all...

Respectfully,

zoid

I'm so glad to see you posting again, Zoid.. I missed you and feel better now that you've dropped by again. Thank you... the feeling is mutual.

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SUPERFLUOUS

Monday, February 12, 2007 2:30 PM

The only thing I see wrong in all of this is that now (regardless of Joss) there is still going to be a ‘Wonder Woman’ movie. A while off certainly… but inevitable (look at Superman). The problem is that with Joss, I at least knew that:
1) There would be a strong plot
2) Have great character development
3) True to the original themes of the comic book
…and finally
4) Have strong women characters.

Looking at all the comic-book movies lately (which are quite popular currently), they have a large audience to the public and (specifically) to children. I would have felt more relieved to have Joss behind the wheel, then to have some other director present her as a bimbo in a G-String.
He would of added class to the picture.

And like everyone else said. Every movie he makes gives him more credibility and potentially the eventual power to make the movies he wants to make in the future. Look at Steven Spielberg. Joss is relatively young in the movie business, so the way I see it; the more movies he creates ‘now’ the greater chances of a Serenity Trilogy ever happening.

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