I wish you all could rcognise

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CACHE

Monday, March 19, 2007 9:50 AM

That you really suck at getting things done. I have to be honest in that I have only recently been exposed to the genius that is firefly, and am immediately passionate about getting it back on the air, but you all have taken the wrong route since day 1. I am not trying to be insulting but this is the 21st century, and people (especially corporations) no longer respond to or acknowledge letters, protests, nor petitions. What owns our country at least at the moment is viral media. If we want the best sci-fi show ever made to return to television we have to conform to these tacticts. I understand this is alot to ask of all of you but in the end the monetary expense will be worth it... if not the jail time. Who amongst us does not own the DVDs of the whole series and the film? That is 5 discs in total.
Here is my proposal... we copy them, give Fox a big kick in the nuts and send them out with a poignant letter.... something along the lines of it you love this series write a letter/email or if you don't pass it on to someone who loves sci-fi. Amazingly I had never been exposed to this series when it was being produced but I love it now, i guarantee we can find many others like me. Viral marketing runs the world now and we can take advantage of antiquated systems like the USPO to market our love for Firefly. DVDs are cheap... postage is cheap... lawyers are expensive but so it proving that we sent out our illegal copies :) Look into AnyDVD CloneDVD and similar software. I'll handle central CA. Who will handle the rest of the country?

TROUBLEMAKER

Monday, March 19, 2007 10:31 AM

What the hell have you been smokin' son? Look sunshine, ripping off a corp is not the best way of doing anything other than going to jail. Ya dont mess with someone elses money... PERIOD. Universal has already threatened to sue someone on this forum over copyright infringement.

And they dont have to find the person who made the viral, just the knuckleheads dumb enough to download it. Great way to spread the word... "Avoid downloading anything to do with Firefly, its been tagged".

As far as the wrong approach, there is so much an organization of people can do against the movie and TV industry (that wont potentially land you in jail). Corporations make money from commercial advertisements, not from shows. Companies pay big $$$ for prime time spots, little $ for non-popular periods. You want to take money from a Fox/Universal? Form a huge organization and publically ban all products shown on those stations. As far fetched as that sounds, that is probably the most you could do to hurt them without getting arrested.

BTW, next time you publically suggest a group of people participate in an illegal activity, be over the age of 18 so that you can partake in the fruits of your ideas.

FILLYGIRL

Monday, March 19, 2007 10:41 AM

Excuse ME?......WTF are you doing? You just got to this board and you have the nerve to tell us; who have been here forever, that we have our heads up our butts!? HOW DO YOU THINK "SERENITY" GOT MADE?????????????
I would like it if you were removed from this board!

Spelling??????

Private in the 76th

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

DARKFLY

Monday, March 19, 2007 11:04 AM

Dude your so wrong, but seriously yes in this day and age they don't notice letters,ect so much but proved time and again even now it still happens.

Just look at Farscape:Peacekeeper Wars & more recently Bablyon 5 on straight to DVD & its been ages since Babylon 5 finished so we should never give up cause you never know when they'll turn around and say hey lets make a Serenity sequel or a 2nd season Firefly season.

If we give up then there is no chance in hell of a Serenity sequel or another Firefly season so we need to keep doing all these pertions,letters,ect till Joss Wheldon dies & the rest of the cast dies & Universal go bankrupt.

"NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER" -taken from Galaxy Quest

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DARKFLY

Monday, March 19, 2007 11:24 AM

And lets see if we gave up on Serenity & Firefly when Serenity didn't do very well at the BOX OFFICE then we wouldn't have another Serenity comic, Firefly MMORPG, or the countless replica's and all the other merchandise coming out after Serenity came out.

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FILLYGIRL

Monday, March 19, 2007 12:17 PM

THANK YOU DARKFLY!!!! I might have gotten too hot,but My G*d! Thanks for being the voice of reason and level-headedness. I love new people, but why don't they realize what we've been up to
Fillygirl is going to pray for patience

Private in the 76th

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

ARTCAT81

Monday, March 19, 2007 12:33 PM

First of all, welcome to the board hun, secondly I love your enthusiasm but you are incorrect.

It was because of the Firefly DVd's amazing sales that we even got Serenity. How many people on this very board can say they bought Firefly blindly after seeing its incredible sales and positive feedback on Amazon.com or saw it in a store and saw someone stocking up on Firefly for Christmas?

Viral marketing is good and has its place, even within our browncoat fandom, look at the River Tam Sessions. But a massive drop in sales due to high amounts of Pirated copies of our show would only hurt us.

Again I appreciate your passion and thoughts on how to bring this show back, but it would not work, in the end it would backfire and hurt us greatly.

One of the best ways to bring more people to the 'verse is to stage viewing parties, give legally purchased copies as gifts to friends and family.

Again welcome to the board, and its great to see such enthusiasm but I think you need to direct your energies in a different and more legal route.

Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse

MAVOURNEEN

Monday, March 19, 2007 12:36 PM

Ok, now that we've recognized your inability to spell...

Coming onto a board and for your first post broaching something that is

a) illegal
b) immoral
c) downright stupid

really isn't the way to go through life, hon.

Artcat, you're always so nice...

You are more than welcome to post your thoughts and feelings on Firefly. We welcome the chance to interact with you.

You may not have been around, but it was the Browncoats and our devotion to the show that helped get Serenity made. We keep it alive through boards like this one. Boards filled with interaction, discussion, and perseverance.

If you have something more constructive to bring, by all means. Post it under guerilla marketing. We'd love to hear from you.

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GRIZWALD

Monday, March 19, 2007 12:45 PM

At risk of feeding a brand-new troll, I will add this:

I don't steal from my Big Damn Heroes.

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MAVOURNEEN

Monday, March 19, 2007 12:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Grizwald:
I don't steal from my Big Damn Heroes.

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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, March 19, 2007 2:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
you really suck at getting things done... What owns our country at least at the moment is viral media... Here is my proposal... we copy them and send them out with a poignant letter.... DVDs are cheap... postage is cheap... lawyers are expensive but so it proving that we sent out our illegal copies :)

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

WHOISRIVER

Monday, March 19, 2007 3:59 PM

Yes! Promote Firefly by encouraging people to ripping it off, that'll make companies pay $10m to rebuild the sets and $2m an episode to produce more episodes.

TINADOLL

Monday, March 19, 2007 4:29 PM

I didn't even read all of it cuz it sounded stupid.. even a moron like me can spell "regognize".....

(psst thats how you spell it right folks?)

So whats wrong with a little Jaylee?

HERA7

Monday, March 19, 2007 5:58 PM

There is the little fact of Firefly and Serenity retaining high rankings on Amazon DVDs for a very long time. No other show or movie has done that well for so long.

Firefly is today at 72. Not bad for a short lived series canceled 5 years ago.

Serenity is at 216. Not quite as well, but I expect people are waiting for the Special Edition to come out.

Compare Serenity to the top 10 grossing films of 2005

1. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (#121)
2. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (#586)
3. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (#477)
4. War of the Worlds (#425)
5. King Kong (#1,678)
6. Wedding Crashers (#804)
7. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (#3,190)
8. Batman Begins (#696)
9. Madagascar (#758)
10. Mr. & Mrs. Smith (#1,564)

Only 'Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith' beats Serenity in DVD sales, but is still ranked lower than the Firefly series set.

I think the Browncoat community is still doing a good job of supporting Firefly, Serenity and the 'verse.

Hera7

Mechanic & Cook
"So thats where that bolt went to."

DARKFLY

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:03 PM

Here Hera ,see what I did with Here Hera instead of Here Here,well anyway I new Firefly had done that well on amazon but didn't realize Serenity has done so well.

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CAUSAL

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:04 PM

Seriously, what's up with new people making their first post a rant about how moronic we are?

I guess I can just take comfort in the hundreds that walk in the door saying, "I love Firefly," instead of shoving their foot directly into their mouths.

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TINADOLL

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Seriously, what's up with new people making their first post a rant about how moronic we are?

I guess I can just take comfort in the hundreds that walk in the door saying, "I love Firefly," instead of shoving their foot directly in their mouths.

Here Here!

(but i'm a noob so what do i know. Well I love Firefly...Thats all i really need to know)

So whats wrong with a little Jaylee?

JWHEDONADDICT

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:10 PM

Well, Joss is a Dead fan, and just like the band, I don't think he's really against bootlegging his stuff. He might not be exactly for it either, though. What I mean is that I don't think he wants anybody to get arrested over it, or piss the PTB off, but personally, I think he's for anything that might further the cause.

Even so, I won't steal from the BDH's either, and I wouldn't encourage others to.

KANEMAN

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:18 PM

I think cache has a point. A very good one at that. More movies are downloaded from torrents every day. I just got Serenity HD last week. The file was huge and took some time, however it took minutes to burn 12 copies. I sold 5 of them and gave the other 7 away to friends. Maybe they will buy FF, maybe not. As far as there being anything we can do to get new eps....nothing, never going to happen. So I steal it and spread the joy that is FF....And I make a couple bucks for my troubles......God I love Bit torrent!

FLYVOTE

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
So I steal it and spread the joy that is FF....And I make a couple bucks for my troubles.

You are a film distributor. You make money from selling your films.

You steal from the studios that make the films. They don't get a cut of what you make. Neither do the actors.

You are a thief and nothing you say changes that. If this behavior were the norm, NO films would be made.

KANEMAN

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FlyVote:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
So I steal it and spread the joy that is FF....And I make a couple bucks for my troubles.

You are a film distributor. You make money from selling your films.

You steal from the studios that make the films. They don't get a cut of what you make. Neither do the actors.

You are a thief and nothing you say changes that. If this behavior were the norm, NO films would be made.

This is the norm. The number of music and movie torrents downloaded is beyond belief. The music industry complained for years about pirating cutting their sales...just the opposite happened. Have you ever taped a song or movie from the radio or TV? Ever borrow a friends copy of a movie or CD? Sure you have you [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks].....

FLYVOTE

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:53 PM

Oh, a troll! I missed that!

GRIZWALD

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:57 PM

Quote:
Ever borrow a friends copy of a movie or CD?

Borrow, then return. Not copy. Not copy and sell. Borrow.

(Grizwald sits herself down next to FlyVote in the hypocritical, self righteous, clam-*^&*^& section)

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GRIZWALD

Monday, March 19, 2007 6:58 PM

Quote:
Well, Joss is a Dead fan, and just like the band, I don't think he's really against bootlegging his stuff.

Why don't you go ask him, then come back here and report his answer?

The man has a wife, and he has children who will need to go through college someday, and I assume he has a mortgage, and a powerful need to eat.

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JLIN

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Troublemaker:
As far as the wrong approach, there is so much an organization of people can do against the movie and TV industry (that wont potentially land you in jail). Corporations make money from commercial advertisements, not from shows. Companies pay big $$$ for prime time spots, little $ for non-popular periods. You want to take money from a Fox/Universal? Form a huge organization and publically ban all products shown on those stations. As far fetched as that sounds, that is probably the most you could do to hurt them without getting arrested.

I love this idea, as a matter of fact I am going to do this. Starting today, I am going to make lists of companies that advertise on Fox and boycott them as best I can. Also, I will write a letter to each of the companies I am boycotting and inform them why I am doing this and that they should talk to Fox about bringing Firefly back on the airwaves. If Fox won't listen to the fans, perhaps the people bringing in the advertising dollars can change their minds. Of course, this won't work if it is just me so I encourge everyone to follow suit.

Thank Universal for airing Firefly in HD at
http://universalhd.com/Firefly/

ALLIETHORN7

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:16 PM

Dude... What are you ON?!?!!? That has GOT to be some freaky shit, right there...
You ain't been on this board for more'n one day. Read that again, ONE RUTTING DAY, and you THINK that you have the right to talk down to these folks?
I admit; I got on board as a Browncoat later on than most- a year or so back, by now. As such, I owe these here folks my addiction to Firefly- the best type of addiction, mind.
These folk have done the impossible- they took the Bull by the Horns and made it steer their way. I know not any other what's done that with so little; thirteen episodes, and they got a movie outta it.
So, don't go around tellin' US what we done wrong; it's a Helluva lot more'n yoou ever did.
You are stupid.
And not the good kind of stupid.
In short:

-Danny

I wanna take the Bullet,
The one aimed straight for your Heart;
I wanna meet the wolves halfway,
And let them Tear me APART,
But that's not the way they do it here...
THRICE RULES!!!!!!!!!

PDCHARLES

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:27 PM

Kaneman,

Why are you trying to generalize this topic and compare your "profit from theft" to non-quantitative sales figures related to internet downloads.

Stop trying to act like your some genius pirate and "poo" on anyone else who thinks that the normal avenue of purchasing media is as archaic as papyrus.

Fact is... most people probably know that these pirated channels exist. They just know that using them and promoting them MAY HAVE a detrimental effect on the show’s future success. (As related to Firefly and Firefly ONLY! Since u get upset when someone mentions things other than Firefly, not the music industry, etc.)

It is very true that the media and distribution companies need to get better at this game. Then again, they don't owe us anything for this particular show. Stop acting like it. Oh "Boo Hoo"... I'll show them, I am a genius pirate.

My buddy is a Mod on one of the largest "free music trading" sites. People like you are their worst enemy. Grab something free from the peer-to-peer network and sell it for profit. THE WORST! Threatens their very existence.

If u love the show as much as you have said in the past. Stop stealing from it. Is this what they taught you in Tunisia? I can handle the best of trolls, just don’t come on here and promote crime.

…and Causal,

They are prolly not “New”.

STORYMARK

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:

This is the norm. The number of music and movie torrents downloaded is beyond belief. The music industry complained for years about pirating cutting their sales...just the opposite happened. Have you ever taped a song or movie from the radio or TV? Ever borrow a friends copy of a movie or CD? Sure you have you [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks].....

Wow, you admit to being a crook, then insult and call names at those who don't like it.

Class act.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KANEMAN

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:50 PM

Hey PD, leave Tunisia out of it. Why such hatred towards the swarm? Lighten up!

KANEMAN

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:

This is the norm. The number of music and movie torrents downloaded is beyond belief. The music industry complained for years about pirating cutting their sales...just the opposite happened. Have you ever taped a song or movie from the radio or TV? Ever borrow a friends copy of a movie or CD? Sure you have you [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks].....

Wow, you admit to being a crook, then insult and call names at those who don't like it.

Class act.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Absolutely!!

STORYMARK

Monday, March 19, 2007 7:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:

This is the norm. The number of music and movie torrents downloaded is beyond belief. The music industry complained for years about pirating cutting their sales...just the opposite happened. Have you ever taped a song or movie from the radio or TV? Ever borrow a friends copy of a movie or CD? Sure you have you [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks].....

Wow, you admit to being a crook, then insult and call names at those who don't like it.

Class act.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

Absolutely!!

Then I guess we both agree you're [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]. Good to know.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

SHINYED

Monday, March 19, 2007 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
That you really suck at getting things done. I have to be honest in that I have only recently been exposed to the genius that is firefly, and am immediately passionate about getting it back on the air, but you all have taken the wrong route since day 1.

Cache...welcome man, you've got quite the set of cajones here! You're spraying chit into the wrong wind here pal.....if it weren't for these folks here at FFF and some other original 'Coats, you'd be strategizing on how to bring back TJ Hooker....instead of Firefly. The Browncoats have done more than you can possibly know.....
Raised boatloads of CASH for Joss's charities
Created web sites & guerilla marketing
Organized cons & bashes
Organized activities to both Fox & Universal
...and it never stops!...THEY NEVER STOP!

Thanks to THEM....WE got us a big damn movie...did ya know even that?

GRIZWALD

Monday, March 19, 2007 8:32 PM

Cache = one-post wonder

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CAUSAL

Monday, March 19, 2007 8:36 PM

Bet it's yet another one of Kaneman's many personalities.

Oops, I mean one of his little brother's many personalities.

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MAL4PREZ

Monday, March 19, 2007 8:44 PM

hah! You totally nailed it!

Please people - don't feed the trolls.

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

CACHE

Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 PM

Wow spell flames aside, You are all missing
the point. I am not talking about posting
episodes of firefly on the internet. It has
already been done to literally no effect.

What I am talking about is delivering this
goodness directly into the hands of those
who would probably never be exposed to
Firefly much less purchase the DVDs themselves.
I guess instead of saying USPO I should say
United States Post Office so more people
might ken what I am saying.

Did we also miss the part about the poignant
letter? One that if coming from me would
probably contain a line some where that states
"If you like this BUY it" The whole point is
to drive up DVD sales, not destroy them.

As time goes on more of you "browncoats" will
turn to different endeavors. The chance of
this show ever being revived wanes each day,
and nothing short of a miracle will bring it
back. I for one would like to see that miracle
happen. Not just for my own enjoyment which
would be great, but for the actors who gave us
such brilliant performances. It is they who
suffer the most. Watch the interviews again.

TROUBLEMAKER

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JLin:
I love this idea, as a matter of fact I am going to do this. Starting today, I am going to make lists of companies that advertise on Fox and boycott them as best I can. Also, I will write a letter to each of the companies I am boycotting and inform them why I am doing this and that they should talk to Fox about bringing Firefly back on the airwaves. If Fox won't listen to the fans, perhaps the people bringing in the advertising dollars can change their minds. Of course, this won't work if it is just me so I encourge everyone to follow suit.

Thank Universal for airing Firefly in HD at
http://universalhd.com/Firefly/

This probably would of been more effective when Firefly was just released. This far out, not much would be accomplished.

Unless of course you were trying to pressure Fox into releasing the rights to Firefly so that someone else could produce it. Now that could work since it doesnt look like Fox is doing anything with Firefly and may say its more trouble than its worth. However, there would still be that nagging issue of who will pickup Firefly, spend the money to make it, and then air it...

With a couple of tweeks, I wondered if HBO would of picked it up. As much as I like Firefly, I am not sure its HBO's style. Though, if they made Firefly like they did Serenity, a premium channel might actually buy off on it.

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
What I am talking about is delivering this
goodness directly into the hands of those
who would probably never be exposed to
Firefly much less purchase the DVDs themselves.
I guess instead of saying USPO I should say
United States Post Office so more people
might ken what I am saying.

What you are talking about is theft. Many have made that point.

And FOX does not own the rights to Firefly. 20th Century Fox owns the rights to produce, but FOX gave up the rights when they cancelled it and Joss asked for them back, which is how he was able to shop it around and have the movie made. Now Universal has the rights to make movies, and it won't go back to the small screen for as long as they have those rights. Unless, perhaps, they decide to make it a Sci-Fi series, since Universal owns Sci-Fi, but I'm not sure they can do that, either.
I would love to see a miniseries on HBO, or Sci-Fi channel. I would love to see Serenity 2. I would love to see the Big Damn Heroes on the screen again. The ONLY WAY that will happen is with enough sales. Serenity Special Edition is coming out this summer. We will all buy it. We will give away our old copies of the movie to spread the signal. We will buy more copies as gifts. It will be shiny.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

TROUBLEMAKER

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And FOX does not own the rights to Firefly. 20th Century Fox owns the rights to produce, but FOX gave up the rights when they cancelled it and Joss asked for them back, which is how he was able to shop it around and have the movie made. Now Universal has the rights to make movies, and it won't go back to the small screen for as long as they have those rights. Unless, perhaps, they decide to make it a Sci-Fi series, since Universal owns Sci-Fi, but I'm not sure they can do that, either.

I would love to see a miniseries on HBO, or Sci-Fi channel. I would love to see Serenity 2. I would love to see the Big Damn Heroes on the screen again. The ONLY WAY that will happen is with enough sales. Serenity Special Edition is coming out this summer. We will all buy it. We will give away our old copies of the movie to spread the signal. We will buy more copies as gifts. It will be shiny.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

I wasnt aware Fox was out of the loop on this. I thought the Firefly/Serenity rights were split. Fox still had rights to Firefly the TV series and Universal had rights to the Serenity movie (series?). Learn something new each day.

Anywho, increasing sales is cool and all and very well could get Serenity 2 produced. However, I'm leaning more toward bringing back the TV series myself. Mainly because it see it surviving longer (I dont think 4 seasons would be out of the question, if they were shown in the proper order [img]

[/img] ). Also, Wash and Shepard live

As for bring the series back... hell, we need to talk to the Family Guy groups and find out how they did it. I remember Family Guy when it came out and it hasnt changed much.

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:10 AM

FOX still has the rights to the episodes that were already shot, hence why sci-fi had to buy the rights to show them, but that's different.
And I would love to see the series back on the air more than anything, but I'll take what I can get, and realistically I'm more likely to get another movie. Even Joss has said that the BDHs are not likely to be on the small screen again after being on the big screen.
One thing to consider in that is that FOX does, in fact, have a talent-holding deal with Nathan Fillion. From what I understand, it means he can only make small-screen series on their network. Joss will not work with FOX again, and so the show coming back, if for no other reason than that, is not likely.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

CACHE

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:28 AM

Quote:

What you are talking about is theft. Many have made that point.

And FOX does not own the rights to Firefly. 20th Century Fox owns the rights to produce, but FOX gave up the rights when they cancelled it and Joss asked for them back, which is how he was able to shop it around and have the movie made. Now Universal has the rights to make movies, and it won't go back to the small screen for as long as they have those rights. Unless, perhaps, they decide to make it a Sci-Fi series, since Universal owns Sci-Fi, but I'm not sure they can do that, either.
I would love to see a miniseries on HBO, or Sci-Fi channel. I would love to see Serenity 2. I would love to see the Big Damn Heroes on the screen again. The ONLY WAY that will happen is with enough sales. Serenity Special Edition is coming out this summer. We will all buy it. We will give away our old copies of the movie to spread the signal. We will buy more copies as gifts. It will be shiny.

i]

Does it hurt to be so puritanical? I'd imagine
the stick to be quite painful. We are talking
about a show where the protagonists are basicly
pirates and you take the high ground when I
mention copying the DVDs as a method to induce
others to purchase them? You could cut that
irony with a knife.

Arguments aside the Sci-Fi channel is exactly the
target we should be looking at. They have proven
their willingness to support good shows for the
long haul (SG-1), I am only confused as to why
they didn't pick it up in the first place when
FOX released the rights. I just doesn't make
sense, purhaps they could not afford it at the
time. In any case bringing Firefly back to TV
would mean a huge influx of cash for the network,
in turn allowing them to produce even more
excellent television. Smart moves all around,
just wish there was a better way to get the execs
to see the light.

We should have 80 episodes to choose from, not 14
It is a truly sad thing.

FILLYGIRL

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:09 AM

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

LIVEBROWN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:09 AM

Urgh morons make my head hurt...

Cache - Try buying many copies of the series and sending it to all your friends(oops you dont have any coz you stole their stuff and sold it). That is how the original browncoats got the movie made and many of us still do this.

Browncoats bought 250,000 copies in like 2-3 weeks and Universal went "OMFG f*x seriously sux if they let these numbers slip through their fingers" and went and made the BDM.

Kane - I think I like you less than cache...and I know thats a stretch. See my above comments about buying the DVD's. What I hear from you is "im a thief and I download torrents and distribute them illegally for a profit because I dont have any education and therefore cant get a job". Maybe if all you thieves that have the pirate HD version went and got jobs so you could buy the orig HD copy Universal might notice the huge sales and contemplate a sequel.

Urghh...my head hurts....

FILLYGIRL

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:43 AM

LiveBrown.......Amen

(I LIKE YOU, & THE WAY YOU THINK!)

Private in the 76th

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fillygirl:
LiveBrown.......Amen
(I LIKE YOU, & THE WAY YOU THINK!)

Seconded!

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

FILLYGIRL

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:56 AM

Good Morning Beautiful!....Thanks for the second. This motion is now passed! Darn Trolls!

I love your post re: "your kidding, right"
that was priceless!!!!!

Private in the 76th

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

KANEMAN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:57 PM

livebrown,
"Maybe if all you thieves that have the pirate HD version went and got jobs so you could buy the orig HD copy Universal might notice the huge sales and contemplate a sequel."

Maybe many of the people that first see FF on a bootleg end up liking it and go out and by the series(instead of downloading 12G of files).

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

ARTCAT81

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:00 PM

Cache,

but we have had an effect, however you found Serenity and or Firefly it is either as a direct or indirect result of browncoats actions. In the end no matter how wrong you and Kaneman think we are for using the avenues we have, the point is you Have heard of Firefly.

Also please keep in mind when you are stealing and copying the shows, you are hurting the branch of fox that RELEASED Firefly to us, it is a seperate entity from the Fox that cancelled us.

Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse

KANEMAN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:08 PM

"In the end no matter how wrong you and Kaneman think we are for using the avenues we have, the point is you Have heard of Firefly."

Never said your avenues were wrong....Just think cache's is better.

DARKFLY

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:16 PM

I think nearly everybody does use torrents but I myself will use a torrent only to get a few appications or maybe even the odd Lost episode since I don't have cable,Sky, or any digital channels at home but I could never download movies & then distribute them to friends and family let alone even download movies and I would never ever in a million years do it with Firefly or Serenity.

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Want pics, vids, and ringtones related to Firefly or Serenity get them here...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=26986

Our universe is cool but Joss's verse is cooler.

OUT2THEBLACK

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:10 PM

" It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled , or where the doer of deeds
could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena , whose face is marred by dust and
sweat and blood , who strives valiantly , who errs and comes short again and again , who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions , and spends himself in a worthy cause , who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he
fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither
victory nor defeat . "

--Theodore Roosevelt
From a speech given in Paris at the Sorbonne in 1910

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" When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."

--Leonardo da Vinci

SHUKES

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:10 PM

I'm going to have to disagree with the misguided and quite frankly moronic idea.

What Browncoats have done is nothing short of miraculous, i am a fairly new firefly obsessive and if it wasn't for them getting a movie made id never heard of it, let alone joined the fight to get it back any way i can. I was taken to see Serenity by a friend who had seen the series some how and fell in love with the characters and world so bought the dvd. Hell I dont join message boards for anything and i did for firefly because its so amazing.

I say all this to make the following point, none of this would have happen were it not for the Browncoats so id say they probably have a damn sight better idea of how to fight for this show than you, they've got the experience.

In Summation; put your brain in gear first before opening your mouth. Remember wisdom is knowing that you infact know almost nothing.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
We are talking
about a show where the protagonists are basicly
pirates and you take the high ground when I
mention copying the DVDs as a method to induce
others to purchase them? You could cut that
irony with a knife.

Work of fiction ........ Real life

Darling, you might want to look those up.

Anyway, it's not about being puritanical, it's about what works. For instance, attacking a group of people who have been devoted to a cause for years, preaching down to them as if they're idiots and you're a god... not the best way to win anyone over. (Except one schmoe whose sole purpose on this site is to argue.)

Think about it. Walk soft and be not an ass, it works better. Especially when you're talking about PR.

-----------------------------------------------
I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:03 PM

Haken Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57

"Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network."

"What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network."

Hey [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

These are Haken's words from a blog. Haken has done more than most. Does he seem anti-(well)Hacker?

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

......End of story

PDCHARLES

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:45 PM

I don't see anything in that blog about downloading the shows, then burning them, and then selling them for profit. THE very issue from which I developed a rant. Notice the use of phrases like “the only way”. If Cache's solution were the only way to promote Fireflys story to thems that need it told, I guess I’d go for it. …sans the theft and profit part you suggested. But it is not.

Let's recap:
Theft, Bad.
Peer-to-Peer file sharing, not against it.

How is the view from that limb your on?

LIVEBROWN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:11 PM

I would be very interested in seeing the numbers of Firefly/Serenity converts that have come from pirated disks vs legal purchased copies. I personally was converted by being given the series as a present and I have done the same to many of my family + friends. I have also loaned out my extra disks on a regular basis which is great coz once I claim them back almost ALL of these people buy their own.

The brilliant browncoats know that by having multiple copies and sharing them via loan or often unwanted xmas and b'day presents(LOL) you are not only helping to share the best series/movie ever made but you are also telling the networks in the only way they understand that we want a BDS!! They dont care about how many people use torrents, they want to know sales figures(see : Done the impossible).

How many people that are given a free copy actually go out and buy the orig version? Then of those people how many share the pirate version with their friends who also dont buy the orig disks. If you were a TRUE browncoat you would understand what the rest of us are saying.

Another thing, without the shiny packaging that shows how tight the captains pants are, surely that hurts our female conversion numbers?

GHOULFISH

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:41 PM

welcome to fff.net

now say sorry or go away before i cybersmack you to troll country

Firefly is described as a scifi cult classic, our support helped to make the BDM, we are unorganised because we lack the information to do otherwise than writing letters, sending emails and supporting Joss.

Virus and Pirating tactics do more damage than good, even a troll suchs as yourself should realize that.

Maybe you are having a failure to communicate
and, learn how to spell

http://picasaweb.google.com/ghoulfish/Hiahiah/photo#504383828540607891
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TDBROWN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Haken Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57

"Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network."

"What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network."

Hey [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

These are Haken's words from a blog. Haken has done more than most. Does he seem anti-(well)Hacker?

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]
......End of story

Haken's post is about watching, not stealing, US TV Shows. If it's like the shows you can watch and download on cbs.com and abc.com, they include the commercials. IOW, it's part of the way the networks do business. It's not some clever pirating scheme; It's just another way for TV Stations to get you to watch their Programs, which is the equivalent of getting you to watch their ADVERTISERS!

Get a life, Felon...

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

TROUBLEMAKER

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TDBrown:
Haken's post is about watching, not stealing, US TV Shows. If it's like the shows you can watch and download on cbs.com and abc.com, they include the commercials. IOW, it's part of the way the networks do business. It's not some clever pirating scheme; It's just another way for TV Stations to get you to watch their Programs, which is the equivalent of getting you to watch their ADVERTISERS!

Get a life, Felon...

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

Thats the problem right there. Most people cannot see the difference between "watching" and "distributing". If your plan is a way to "hurt" a company, I would think that would be a bad thing.

Now, here's the slippery slope that I think both sides are arguing. If you TiVo/PVR an episode and put it on a website to distribute, it would seem like fair game (it was aired on a public station, why not). For instance, if you Tivo/PVR Firefly on UHD or SciFi channel, then distributed it; I would say that would be a grey area (I believe you have to pay to receive UHD).

If you burned a copy of licensed product and then distributed it (regardless of whether or not you are making a profit), it would be piracy. Some dont see a distinction. If they want it and they can get for free, there is no problem.

CACHE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulfish:
welcome to fff.net

now say sorry or go away before i cybersmack you to troll country

Firefly is described as a scifi cult classic, our support helped to make the BDM, we are unorganised because we lack the information to do otherwise than writing letters, sending emails and supporting Joss.

Virus and Pirating tactics do more damage than good, even a troll suchs as yourself should realize that.

Maybe you are having a failure to communicate
and, learn how to spell

http://picasaweb.google.com/ghoulfish/Hiahiah/photo#504383828540607891
4

Calling me a troll, spell flames, all strawmen. If you don't agree with me that is fine, let us
not stoop to insults.

I understand that many of you might be insulted
by my initial post and I am sorry. I was a bit
emotionally charged at the time and not really as
informed as I should have been before I opened my
mouth. You have all done alot and for that I
commend you.

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

Yes lending out your boxed sets is all well and
good, but the turn around time is long. Very long.
How long until you can "infect" someone else?
Hence using antiquated delivery systems (USPO)
in combination with modern marketing techniques
(viral distribution) The growth in the fanbase
would be exponential. Again the poignant letter
is the key.

Disagree with my ideas and methods if you will,
I have put in my 2 platinum and said my peace,
but I would much prefer it if you would help me.
My budget does not run that high at the moment.

PETERG

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:38 AM

As a very occasional poster, I am not sure why I am getting into this...

If a strange DVD turned up in MY mailbox at random, I would think "Virus" and chuck it in the bin immediately.

This idea is so ill-conceived, it defies belief.

And, frankly, Firefly ain't coming back. Too many years have passed, Gina Torres is pregnant, the sets have gone and Fox clearly had no stomach for it in the first place.

FISKMASEN

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

Wait, let me see if I've gotten this straight. You want us to send out discs to random people, in a country that's got the willies for terrorism?
Yeah, that's a great plan, make the people belive the Browncoats are some part of Al-Qaeda just waiting to blow shit up. =)

"My cartridge fell out of my gun..." - Nathan Fillion

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:13 PM

Hey, Cache! How're they hangin'?

Okay, first off: He/She only really misspelled 'rcognize' because s/he missed the 'e' key and then probably missed checking the spelling on the header. Cache otherwise seems to have a good grasp of the language, spelling and grammar. So, lighten up on that. S/he seems intelligent, and the arguments presented do have some weight. They differ in substantial ways from Kaneman's, who's clearly a criminal and a miscreant. (NB: "...End of story." -Kaneman. If only.)

'Troublemaker' accused Cache of being under the age of 18. I do not know if that's true (or whether Cache is male or female), because there's no info on Cache's Profile page.

But let's assume that s/he is under 21. Does that mean Cache (or any other teenager) is unintelligent? Absolutely not. What may be presumed is that s/he is inexperienced in the ways of the world. There is no substitute for real-life experience. You cannot read it in a book, or simulate it by philosophical thought experiments.

Being young means making mistakes. A lot of them. And, hopefully, learning from them and not messing up your entire future in the process.

So, Cache, if you feel the need to engage in some creative chaos/anarchy or civil disobedience (because the young are eternally full of piss and vinegar where it comes to the status quo), then I suggest that you risk your future and a criminal record on something more substantial than a TV show/movie. One should never be so cavalier about a venture that may jeopardize your ability to ever hold a job above busboy, for the rest of your life.

You know, go save a whale or a baby harp seal, or something meaningful like that. Spray some rich bitch's $10K mink coat with red Rustoleum... Go fight in a war that people wish would end...or march on Washington to show them how much you wish it would end. Point is, if you're going to be reviled by your society, make it count for something.

I love Firefly with a passion that surprises me. I sense the same in you. But screwing up your future for an entertainment -- whether it's Firefly or your favorite one hundred sound-alike bands -- is a youthful mistake that could not only be costly for the rest of your life, but it is also a mistake that can easily be avoided...

Agedly,

zoid

P.S.
You're much more likely to land employment in a field that can make you a difference maker in our society, if you've only ever been busted for civil disobedience (i.e., 'marching on Washington'), rather than stealing things from big corporations, as you've proposed. Please note: By using the USPS (United States Postal Service) as you outlined, you'd be committing a federal felony. Otherwise known as 'going away to the big house, for nightly same-sex romances with larger, meaner people than yourself'.

I know you've had a brainwave with this whole scheme; but I think you should just put it down on the ground, and back slowly away from it and any other activities of a similar nature you may currently be engaging in.

Be a 'difference maker', and then exercise your righteous indignation along the channels of power; rather than asking, "Would you like to Biggie-size that order (and how about a $5 rip of "Serenity" in HD)?"
_________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

FOLLOWMAL

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:14 PM

I'm so glad you're back home, Zoid.

www.goodworkspresents.org

MAVOURNEEN

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
I'm so glad you're back home, Zoid.

Can I get an amen??

BTW, If I got a random dvd in the mail from someone I didn't know, it would go live with the 4,000 other dvds I've received from aol. In the trash without a second glance.

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ALLIETHORN7

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:42 PM

While I agree that we ain't done everything right, what you're saying is, 1) Insulting to Me, 2) Insulting to the Rest of us folks here, and 3) downright stupid.
You say that you are sorry for being emotionaly charged, Cache? Apology noted... taken, I guess
The facts remain; what you are saying is Illegal, ya? All manner 'o not good!
You've gone and bungled your chance of us hearing you out by your insults to us; would YOU listen to someone who was calling you a pig-headed ass? Yes, you did imply that.

On a side note... the guys spelling ain't THAT bad, folks... c'mon he's got, what? Two mispelled words on this whole thread? There are probably more mis-spellings in this one POST than his entire speech... but, my point remains.

You, good man, are a [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

-Danny

I wanna take the Bullet,
The one aimed straight for your Heart;
I wanna meet the wolves halfway,
And let them Tear me APART,
But that's not the way they do it here...
THRICE RULES!!!!!!!!!

TROUBLEMAKER

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

'Troublemaker' accused Cache of being under the age of 18. I do not know if that's true (or whether Cache is male or female), because there's no info on Cache's Profile page.

But let's assume that s/he is under 21. Does that mean Cache (or any other teenager) is unintelligent? Absolutely not. What may be presumed is that s/he is inexperienced in the ways of the world. There is no substitute for real-life experience. You cannot read it in a book, or simulate it by philosophical thought experiments.

I was aimed more at the fact that suggesting something like this sounds childish. Also, if your going to suggest criminal activity, be of the age that you can feel the full extent of law and not be covered by the "I'm underage, so I dont know better" clause.

FLYVOTE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
...
people (especially corporations) no longer respond to or acknowledge letters, protests, nor petitions.
...

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
...
it you love this series write a letter/email
...

Huh? Writing a letter doesn't work, so do something to get other people to write a letter?

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Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30 PM

FollowMal:

'S good to be back, compadre.

...Now if only some of the other (moderately) old-timers would check back in, to at least let us know they were okay. Y'know? I mean, would it hurt 'em to just drop us a line every once in a while?

...But as for me, I'm back with a vengeance, like a once remitted (if rather indolent) cancer...

v/r,
-zed
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NOSADSEVEN

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:46 PM

Cache, the irony here is that you are right - letters, protests, and petitions are not effective in these matters. However, letters, protests, and petitions are not the hallmarks of Browncoat efforts. What we've been doing is exactly what you're suggesting, only we've been doing it legally. Instead of burning copies of DVDs, we have purchased extra sets to distribute. We put our money where our mouth is - so much, in fact, that many Browncoats have had trouble ordering copies from Amazon, because they think they are being purchased for resale!

We've been running guerrilla marketing campaigns, organizing charitable ventures in the name of Firefly and/or Serenity, and virally spreading the word since the before viral marketing was the in thing. In fact, we were so effective, Universal framed an entire marketing strategy around our efforts (though, not especially effectively). We have (or had, before things were tightened) fanvids all over YouTube and Google Video, we have thousands of five star reviews on Amazon, and (legal) copies of the DVDs being sent up on the next shuttle to find a permanent home in the International Space Station! We've donated DVDs to libraries across the country, to the troops serving our country (every Naval vessel has Firefly in their DVD library thanks to the DVDs for the Troops effort), and have arranged public screenings of Firefly and Serenity across the country.

So really, you're on the right track, you would just be served better to approach things a little more constructively, with a closer eye to the history.

{Edited, because I neglected to proofread.}
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ain't. We. Just.

ORANGEHAT

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:57 PM

'Can't we all just get along'
Heh

First off LMAO to "what have you been smokin'" that was my exact train of thought and them BAM written right there under it. I have to agree with the sad terms that Firefly may never be coming back, and after crying for days I sucked it up and ..well now I'm here. And also with the virus thing though I must give kudos for thinking of a plan of action. I mean common, there wouldn't have been the movie (as it was stated over and over) if it weren't for devoted fans like yourself, lets just find a safe legal plan of action and not even the world can stop us...though its done a good job as of yet. Stupid world

I've noticed that many people have pointed out the flaws in this plan but I'm not entirely sure if they have offered a better idea (as I only read the first few and then skimmed) and I definitely don't have one...

That nerdy hat

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:04 PM

Mavourneen wrote:

Quote:
...BTW, If I got a random dvd in the mail from someone I didn't know, it would go live with the 4,000 other dvds I've received from aol. In the trash without a second glance.

Like I said, I think Cache's heart is in the right place, I really do.

Okay, so s/he stuck her/his foot in his/her own orifice, right off the bat. But, hey, let those of us who have never unintentionally insulted somebody on this board cast the first stone. I've still got folks on this board who are pissed at me because I've misunderstood their intent, and gone off half-cocked on them.

For me, it's all about intent to do harm, intent to give umbrage. Cache stepped on the toes of some hard-battled Browncoat guerillas, true. But, I reckon s/he was just really excited to be suggesting a new approach...

Having said that, I'm convinced that the approach s/he forwarded would be nothing less than disastrous for everyone who loves Firefly. 'Viral marketing' is not the same thing as copyright infringement on a massive scale, using the Federal postal system as a delivery mechanism. ...And even s/he admitted that people would get arrested, tried and convicted.

That's just lunacy. Even if it worked and Vivendi-Universal said, "Hey! People really like this Firefly/Serenity stuff! Let's make lots more!", that'd be pretty hard biscuits to take when you're in prison and the bull-queers/dykes only want to watch "My Name is Earl" on the communal TV, when Firefly is on.

...And when the murderers and rapists asked you what you did to get incarcerated, would you want to trade on your rep as the guy who 'viral marketed' Firefly, to keep your backside squeaky clean?

Like I said before: This is a disastrously bad idea, regardless its intent to be helpful. The only reason why I even piped up on this subject is to avoid anyone coming to the conclusion that it might actually work, beyond improving their 'love life'...

As to getting a CD-R in the mail, along with a heart-felt letter encouraging me to introduce it to my home entertainment network... (*stops typing until the laughter, hiccuping, and tears cease*) ...ummm, sure, I'd do that.

But seriously, I wouldn't throw it away. They make lovely frisbees/doggie chew toys (at least, for the doggies you're trying to promote to The Great Kennel In The Sky).

Responsively,

zoid

P.S.
Don't get me wrong. I didn't seriously think anyone here would join Cache in her/his scheme. But, you never know. There might be some impressionable types who mistakenly believe there's very little difference between obtaining MP3s from a friend, and distributing those MP3s to thousands of unsuspecting strangers (any number of whom might be law enforcement personnel) by means of a CD-R through the freakin' USPS. They're both a violation of the law, but one of them is downright idiotic. Being able to tell the difference between the two may be more difficult than you'd expect for the inexperienced, if well-intentioned Browncoat...

Did you ever do anything as a young person that you realize today was just plain, catastrophically stupid? Personally, I've got a whole raft of 'em; but they made some sort of hormonally-charged sense at the time...
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FLYVOTE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:17 PM

Zoid: only want to watch "My Name is Earl" on the communal TV

Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

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KANEMAN

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:38 PM

Haken also wrote,
"While the majority of these directory sites list television programs and movies, some do have listings for commercial software--such as Sharereactor."

So, it is obvious he was not against pirating. He states they contain TV and Movies. What makes downloading FF or Serenity any different than any other show? At least Haken and I agree...Pirating is good...really good, and cheap. The rest of you can [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

Oh, he starts his blog by saying...."I AM BUMMED!"

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:53 PM

FlyVote suggested:

Quote:
...Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

Now, there's a viral marketing idea. Somebody do an amateur production of that and stick it on 'WhomeverToob'. I'd watch it.

v/r,
-zed
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FLYVOTE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

FlyVote suggested:
Quote:
...Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

Now, there's a viral marketing idea. Somebody do an amateur production of that and stick it on 'WhomeverToob'. I'd watch it.

v/r,
-zed
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Simon: What?

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ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:35 PM

Howdy, kaneman.

I know I'm gonna regret this, but, I just gotta respond.

First, I reckon you're really just itching for a conflict of opinions. So, consider that hankerin' scratched, cuz here it comes...

Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context.

Third, a wrongdoer always looks to find a way to get someone else to join them in wrong-doing. Why not just break the law privately, in the comfort of your own psyche, and leave others out of it? Is it some sort of 'Misery loves company' impulse?

Fourth, if you could afford to legally buy the things you steal, would you? Is it simply about not having enough money? Or do you steal everything that comes within easy reach of your hot little fingers? (*zoid suddenly has mental image of kaneman exiting local supermarket, with vest stuffed full of beef roasts, a la 'Pinto' in "Animal House" (available from kaneman on CD-R, $5US)*)

Fifth, if it was your digital product that a quasi-kaneman was downloading, would you be more pissed if he subsequently sold it in quantity from his fleamarket stall/the back of his conversion van (with orange shag carpeting)? Or would you just chuckle to yourself, and privately congratulate the chap on being such a cunning entrepreneur?

These aren't trick questions. There's no gray area in which you operate. A group of high school friends sharing MP3s is against the law. But if they then burn CDs and sell them to all their classmates, that's a crime in every sense of the word.

If Haken, or anyone else, sips from the digital fountain, that's their business, as long as they accept the potential consequences should The Big Shark (law enforcement) gulp up their particular school of minnows, at random. But when kaneman, or Haken -- or anyone else -- starts profiting from that stream, then they're pissing in the communal watering hole and that hurts everyone.

Such piracy raises the prices for everyone, and makes it financially impossible for new works to be produced. Right now, there are a dearth of new games for the PC, because piracy has killed the goose that laid its stolen golden eggs. Pirating console games is a much tougher business, since the boxes must be modded (crack the case and solder a chip to the board, typically) in order to run writable media. Nobody's gonna get rich selling pirated PS2 or XBox games, and that's a fact.

The corporate response to piracy, then? Tons of new games for consoles, none for the PC. Furthermore, most of the console games could be ported to the PC, but what'd be the point? The game developer will never recoup their expenditures to do so, because pirates will rob them blind before the games ever hit the shelves.

It's wrong. You, kaneman, are wrong. What you do, what others like you do, is wrong. You're ruining a golden age of information for everyone else. Worse still, you're trying to encourage others -- naive people -- to join you, by using the tired old argument, "Everyone else is doing it". No, they're not.

If I knew who you were, I'd turn you in to the police.

Conflictingly,

zoid

P.S.
You could always stop what you're doing. Just a suggestion.
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"Good luck in prison." -Hobson, Arthur

GHOULFISH

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:

Calling me a troll, spell flames, all strawmen. If you don't agree with me that is fine, let us
not stoop to insults.

I understand that many of you might be insulted
by my initial post and I am sorry. I was a bit
emotionally charged at the time and not really as
informed as I should have been before I opened my
mouth. You have all done alot and for that I
commend you.

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

Yes lending out your boxed sets is all well and
good, but the turn around time is long. Very long.
How long until you can "infect" someone else?
Hence using antiquated delivery systems (USPO)
in combination with modern marketing techniques
(viral distribution) The growth in the fanbase
would be exponential. Again the poignant letter
is the key.

Disagree with my ideas and methods if you will,
I have put in my 2 platinum and said my peace,
but I would much prefer it if you would help me.
My budget does not run that high at the moment.

Okay now i understand more of where you are coming from (I appologise for my emotionaly charged comment also). Sometimes on this forum we get people who log on once and start calling us idiots so you can see where my reation was coming from. I still think that a viral method would skew some of the sales figures (in a bad way) a bit and since most of the company's which would consider taking up Firefly look at sales figures.

I like the 1 disk teaser idea but that method might prove costly and some parts of the government may take offense to it.

Again sorry for my last post - i got the wrong impression (i hope)

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 PM

FlyVote continued, in a "My Name Is Early" vein:

Quote:
Simon: Are you Jason Lee?
Early: Am I Jay's son Lee?
Simon: What?

I think he should start with a refuge for abused golden retrievers...

v/r,
-zed
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ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 PM

The FFFn server sneezed, and lo, an exact replica of zoid's previous post manifested itself.

v/r,
-zed

P.S.
Gesundheit!
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OUT2THEBLACK

Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nosadseven:
Cache, the irony here is that you are right - letters protests and petitions are not effective in these matters. However, letters, protests, and petitions are not the hallmarks of Browncoat efforts. What we've been doing is exactly what you're suggesting, only we've been doing it leagally. Instead of burning copies of DVDs, we have purchased extra sets to distribute. We put our money where our mouth is - so much, in fact, that many Browncoats have had trouble ordering copies from Amazon, because they think they are being purchased for resale!

We've been running guerrilla marketing campaigns, organizing charitable ventures in the name of Firefly and/or Serenity, and virally spreading the word since the before viral marketing was the in thing. In fact, we were so effective, Universal framed an entire marketing strategy around our efforts (though, not especially effectively). We have (or had, before things were tightened) fanvids all over YouTube and Google Video, we have thousands and thousands of five star reviews on Amazon, and (legal) copies of the DVDs being sent up on the next shuttle to find a permanent home in the International Space Station! We've donated DVDs to libraries across the country, troops serving our country (every Naval vessel has Firefly in their DVD library thanks to the DVDs for the Troops effort), and have arranged public screenings of Firefly and Serenity across the country.

So really, you're on the right track, you would just be served better to approach things a little more constructively, with a closer eye to the history.

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LIVEBROWN

Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:47 AM

Although im but a newb in this vast new land that is FFF.net, I would like to state that Zoid is by far the most well spoken, thoughtfull and outright humourous b'coat I have met. Cheers mate!

Got me laughing at work which is impressive by anyones standards.

Id also like to mention that I had a workmate who was importing pirated DVD's from asia and selling them at a profit, I mentioned to him that it might be unfortunate if the police found out and he didnt get to see his kids for a few years. Interestingly he ceased this activity shortly after my comment. There is just no excuse!

TROUBLEMAKER

Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
Howdy, kaneman.

I know I'm gonna regret this, but, I just gotta respond.

First, I reckon you're really just itching for a conflict of opinions. So, consider that hankerin' scratched, cuz here it comes...

Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context.

Third, a wrongdoer always looks to find a way to get someone else to join them in wrong-doing. Why not just break the law privately, in the comfort of your own psyche, and leave others out of it? Is it some sort of 'Misery loves company' impulse?

Fourth, if you could afford to legally buy the things you steal, would you? Is it simply about not having enough money? Or do you steal everything that comes within easy reach of your hot little fingers? (*zoid suddenly has mental image of kaneman exiting local supermarket, with vest stuffed full of beef roasts, a la 'Pinto' in "Animal House" (available from kaneman on CD-R, $5US)*)

Fifth, if it was your digital product that a quasi-kaneman was downloading, would you be more pissed if he subsequently sold it in quantity from his fleamarket stall/the back of his conversion van (with orange shag carpeting)? Or would you just chuckle to yourself, and privately congratulate the chap on being such a cunning entrepreneur?

These aren't trick questions. There's no gray area in which you operate. A group of high school friends sharing MP3s is against the law. But if they then burn CDs and sell them to all their classmates, that's a crime in every sense of the word.

If Haken, or anyone else, sips from the digital fountain, that's their business, as long as they accept the potential consequences should The Big Shark (law enforcement) gulp up their particular school of minnows, at random. But when kaneman, or Haken -- or anyone else -- starts profiting from that stream, then they're pissing in the communal watering hole and that hurts everyone.

Such piracy raises the prices for everyone, and makes it financially impossible for new works to be produced. Right now, there are a dearth of new games for the PC, because piracy has killed the goose that laid its stolen golden eggs. Pirating console games is a much tougher business, since the boxes must be modded (crack the case and solder a chip to the board, typically) in order to run writable media. Nobody's gonna get rich selling pirated PS2 or XBox games, and that's a fact.

The corporate response to piracy, then? Tons of new games for consoles, none for the PC. Furthermore, most of the console games could be ported to the PC, but what'd be the point? The game developer will never recoup their expenditures to do so, because pirates will rob them blind before the games ever hit the shelves.

It's wrong. You, kaneman, are wrong. What you do, what others like you do, is wrong. You're ruining a golden age of information for everyone else. Worse still, you're trying to encourage others -- naive people -- to join you, by using the tired old argument, "Everyone else is doing it". No, they're not.

If I knew who you were, I'd turn you in to the police.

Conflictingly,

zoid

P.S.
You could always stop what you're doing. Just a suggestion.
_________________________________________________

"Good luck in prison." -Hobson, Arthur

Hey, what the hell Zoid. How dare you bring logic and reason into a conversation like this.

I like how you dragged PC gaming into the subject. Its been a sore spot with me lately, due largely to dumbass pirates.

Its funny reading Kanes responses:
"{insert insult here}. I'm right because I havent been caught yet. Also, someone else does it and hasnt been caught yet, so there."

And just like any other criminal, when they are caught, they will whine and cry about cops, "its a victimless crime", "I'm innocent, I havent commited any crime", [ Nixon

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:00 AM

I agree with you about copies if you're not making money off of them. I think it's funny a bunch of people who object to being pirates when their favorite show and heros are pirates. Bunch of Alliance types in here.

I already do this and I have turned on some people to the show who have bought the series legitamately for themselves. Of course, not on a grand scale as I think you're proposing.

I like the 1 show or one disk teaser idea. Perhaps a well made fan advertisement of the show on the disk as well. Make a hundred copies of em and stick them in magazines at the store. That would only cost somebody about 20 bucks worth of materials and their free time. No money wasted on postage and no government sore at you cause you were using them to deliver the product. Just wear some blue gloves when handling those CD's and nobody will know it was you putting them in the magazines.

I think you have a great idea here and it shouldn't have been beaten up as badly as some people in here did. Methinks it was your delivery though. It was pretty insulting, and that's pretty much the first rule against winning an arguement.

Maybe somebody should put some scaled down models of Firefly's up all over Boston with shiny LED lights. They won't know what the hell those were unless they watched the show and you'll probably shut the whole city down again...lol.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FISKMASEN

Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Maybe somebody should put some scaled down models of Firefly's up all over Boston with shiny LED lights. They won't know what the hell those were unless they watched the show and you'll probably shut the whole city down again...lol.

Now, that'd be fun. =)

"My cartridge fell out of my gun..." - Nathan Fillion

KANEMAN

Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:35 PM

"Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context."

Go to his blog space here at FFF.net and read his blog 'sharereactor to shut down'.......make up your own mind. I never said that because Haken approves of pirating makes it okay for me to do it. I don't care. I do it because I can. I just thought the irony in a bunch of browncoats acting like b'coats don't do that kind of thing was...well, hilarious. Was there a better way to shove this irony in their faces than to let them read the words of the FFF.net GOD? I can't think of one....Good day.

ZOID

Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:38 PM

...So, forced to fill my own request, here's the link to Haken's blog that kaneman cited: http://fireflyfans.net/showblog.asp?b=275

It's dated 20 Mar 2004 (that's right, 3 years ago) and here's the entire page, quoted in context. Please note that the reader commentaries/questions are in reverse order, with the earliest comment/question at the bottom of the page, and responses/later comments above:

Quote:
Sharereactor taken offline

Well, I'm bummed. It seems this bit of news has had a cascading effect and a few other directory servers and a result have taken their listings offline temporarily until the Sharereactor situation has been resolved.

Quote:

FRAUENFELD (kapo) Due to the suspicion of breach of copyright and trademark laws the cantonal judicial Inquiry department of Thurgau has taken down an Internet-Site that served as a link platform for filesharing offerings. A process concerning these matters against the 25 year old owner from Frauenfeld is underway.

The Internet-Site located in Frauenfeld was online for about 30 months and last had over 220.000 hits per day bevor it was taken offline by the Thurgau officials. The in search engines toprated site worked as a anchorpoint for links to downloads of copyright and trademark protectet games and movies that were offered on the filesharing network.

After a complaint from several large corporations, represented by the swiss association against piracy, the cantonal judicial inquiry department of Thurgau initiated an investigation, seized the servers in Frauenfeld and had the site taken offline.

The responsible owner, a 25 year old swiss proved to be very cooperative in explaining matters at hand. The inquiries continue and will take some time.

Shiny

Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 16:21

>Just visit www.bucktv.net and you'll see what I mean.

It says 'under construction'...

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Haken

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57

Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network.

What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network.

While the majority of these directory sites list television programs and movies, some do have listings for commercial software--such as Sharereactor.

As for whether this is legal or not, I'm not quite sure and perhaps someone else can shed some light. But the general feeling is that since they're only listing file info and not actually hosting the files themselves, it should be legal, which is why these directory sites continue to thrive on the net.

I hope I clarified this a bit for you by being not very technical.

Just visit www.bucktv.net and you'll see what I mean.

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Serena

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:01

Haken, can you translate this into English for me?

Of particular interest to me is that Haken seems to be mourning the loss of access to broadcast TV shows, some of which may be inaccessible to viewers on an international basis. He mentions that software can be downloaded on some of the file servers (not that he does download movies/TV series/software and then burn and sell them to make a profit); but that he is "not quite sure" if "this is legal or not" -- probably speaking from the sense that he's not sure if the owners of ShareReactor could face jail ti

EARLY

Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:51 PM

of course...its all clear now. We suck! That explains a lot.

CEDRIC

Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I like the 1 show or one disk teaser idea. Perhaps a well made fan advertisement of the show on the disk as well. Make a hundred copies of em and stick them in magazines at the store. That would only cost somebody about 20 bucks worth of materials and their free time. No money wasted on postage and no government sore at you cause you were using them to deliver the product.

I've had a similar thought a number of times, Jack. If were in marketing at Fox, I would give away copies of Firefly Disc One for free, and I'd grant blanket permission to copy the first disc.

Many a times, I'll meet someone and tell them about Firefly. If only I had a copy of Disc One to hand them, I bet I'd have twice the converts I do now.

So, Cache, if you really want to do effective viral marketing and don't give a damn about the law, don't waste your money pirating the whole series. Disc One is enough to hook 90% of the folks that the whole series would get, and they'll still go buy the boxed set, thus increasing our chances of getting a sequel or a second series.

"Some things stay with you, 'til the day you die."
On the Drift: Music Inspired by Firefly and Serenity, now on sale at
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bedlambards/from/celtic

SPACEGIRL32

Friday, March 23, 2007 12:26 AM

"Some things stay with you, 'til the day you die."
On the Drift: Music Inspired by Firefly and Serenity, now on sale at
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bedlambards/from/celtic

Hey! I have this CD in my car right now!

Another good way to share the love for Firefly!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 23, 2007 12:30 AM

You sure sound like a FED.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

KAIN

Friday, March 23, 2007 12:50 AM

HA! Best laugh I've had in a while! Who hasn't had a few and said, "KILL EM ALL!" ? Oh, right rational people who can 'rcongnise' a spell check.
Thanks for wastin' 2 gorram minutes I'll never get back.

Kain

CALHOUN

Friday, March 23, 2007 12:51 AM

I've pretty much given up on a return of Firefly. I think now though is the time to make FOX pay for their crimes(cancelling Firefly) just cause I am vindictive like that.. I would welcome a plan to bring FOX down! I want FOX to be a rotting dismembered corpse! and to hell with its shareholders! if they were worth a damn they wouldnt have allowed all that transpired..

DEATH TO FOX! They will never EVER get another cent from me.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 23, 2007 1:06 AM

The individual who began this thread is not at all worthy of any respect, as he came on board here showing none. He came on board with insults and disdain for the 'Coats.

Furthermore, now he apologizes after he got some "sympathy" posts on his behalf.....but he still has an insistant attitude of superiority & condescension, and it truly makes me wanna puke....as if?.how dare?..who the f?..what rock?..pleeeze!...go away!..how obnoxious!..what a frikkiin' 'tude!...That's how I feel...honest.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 23, 2007 1:10 AM

See dude?

You need a few lessons in Public Relations is all.

You have a good idea here, but your delivery sucked. I don't think your idea is going to get much play now that you've alienated your core audience.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 23, 2007 2:29 AM

Here is a suggestion that is humbly submitted for consideration to help the Firefly/Serenity cause.....

It is meant to either supplement the time-honored Browncoat tradition of loaning out DVD sets to enlighten the unfortunate & unlucky people without FF awareness, or possibly offer an addditional way to spread the glory of Firefly to the masses.....

1) What FFF doesn't have a zillion pictures saved in picture files?...pictures from all aspects of the shows, the movies, and the awesome stars themselves?

2) Well...put them on a portable hard drive, or download to a disc, e-mail, etc. and take it to work, or a friend's home.

3) Say to your friends at work, etc. that you'd like them to look at something...give it 5 MINUTES....a mere 5 MINUTES....tell them to look at this and try to understand that all the pics they are about to see are directly related to people, events, and everything Firefly, right up to current times.

4) I'd guess that most folks pictures would take a minimum of 30 minutes to view as a slideshow...but I'm saying we only need 5 to hook 'em...load it up with the best...the hottest...the grittiest ya got.

5) Then....ya start e-mailing a zip file of the best pics to your business contacts, friends, etc.

6) Then ya tell them IF they like what they saw in 5 minutes...then please read some reviews at Amazon or IMDB.

7) Then ya tell 'em all where to buy it, and how relatively in-expensive all this amazing entertainment will be.

I interact with people all over the country every day...probably at least ten times the number of folks in my personal life. All I'm doing is using the vast 'verse of photos and artwork in place of asking someone to sit & watch the actual show or movie for hours. I'm doing this Monday.....I have a good hard drive on loan from work and I'll download the whole shebang....can't wait to see & hear the reactions to our treasure.

ZOID

Friday, March 23, 2007 3:08 AM

6ixStringJack opined:

Quote:
You sure sound like a FED.

Actually, I sound like a guy who's sick and tired of lowlife scum preying on their own communities, for the sole advancement of their own greed.

It ain't about morality, and it ain't about respect for the law. It's about not being a f*cking cancer on the backside of humanity...

Succinctly,

zoid
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Friday, March 23, 2007 4:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 23, 2007 5:09 AM

Yup... definately sound like a FED.

Respectfully,
6SJ

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

LIVEBROWN

Friday, March 23, 2007 5:57 AM

Think you got Fed mixed up with Intelligent.

By the way hows your logic working? You say that people who watch pirate shows should act like pirates? I guess your kinder teacher will be so proud of you monday morning...urghhh...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yup... definately sound like a FED.

Respectfully,
6SJ

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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