Planet X and Global Warming could there be a connection ?

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PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, May 6, 2007 5:54 AM

There has been a lot of talk and concern about Global Warming as of late, and yes There are defintely changes happening to the earth that can't be denied. However scientist aren't exactly clear on whats causing it. I've been thinking maybe Global Warming has less to do with us and more to do with Earth changes being caused by Planet X, aka..Nibiru. The planet that comes into our solar system every 3,600 years, and with its passage it wrecks all kinds of havoc. Many of the things we are currently witnessing with climate change are the same things that ancient sumarians described happening in the beginning stages of the passing of Nibiru,They called this coming (perihelion) not only is earth going through changes but so is Mars and Pluto. Planet X known to the Sumarians as Nibiru has been responssible for past ice ages and floods and major apoclyptic devastation. I for one think that this planet is already a known fact to high governement officals and scientist around the world... but the general public around the world is not being told about it. I think much of the global Warming talk is a ruse in certain ways its preparing us for whats coming which is going to be pretty devasting if previous accounts are anything to go by....
so any thoughts

I don't know how many people on this forum is aware of Planet X but for those who aren't here is a link. For those who are interested check out XFacts that website has alot Of Zecharia Stitchen interviews and lots of new info on Planet X

http://www.planetxvideo.com

www.xfacts.com

CRUITHNE3753

Sunday, May 6, 2007 12:15 PM

Nope.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html#intro

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 6, 2007 2:10 PM

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However scientist aren't exactly clear on whats causing it.

This is your first mistake.

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Always look upstream.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 6, 2007 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
Nope.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html#intro

Thanks for posting. Beat me to it.

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MAZAEN

Sunday, May 6, 2007 11:36 PM

A proportion of global warming may be caused by natural reasons and CO2( it's CO'2 right?) buildup in the atmosphere. In the history of the earth, there have times where the weather has experienced temperature fluctuations and decreases. The temperature of the earth has not maintained the same temperature all time in history.

This decrease and increase in temperature of the earth is sometimes caused by the sun. In the earth's history, the sun has regularly fluctuated in temperature up to 15 degrees for 10 years- causing really hot weather on earth when the heat rays reach earth. The sun is a giant body of gas and doesn't have a temperature regulation valve to keep it at a constant 25 degrees C, hence some changes in the sun's output of heat and energy.

I'd like to know how much of global warming is caused by the sun and how much is caused by global warming. It seems to me that the current conditions could be caused by both global warming and the natural increases of energy by the sun.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 7, 2007 1:19 AM

I guess I didn't communicate what I was saying effectively. I agree with you that CO2 is a major part of the problem that is causing the earth to heat up, That the sun is part of that equasion is a given.However according to scientist how much is natural and how much is caused by humans is still up for debate.

See I have to wonder, the predicted devastation caused by what we term as Global Warming/ climate change, seems uncannily simular to the same things reported by Sumarians and other ancient cultures as to the comming/ passing of the planet Niburu/planet X.

Most everyone who has something to say on this subject pretty much agree that Climate Change is happening and we are in for some serious fallout as a result.

But as more and more light is being shed on Global Warming/ Climate Change, I just find it to much of a coincidence, especially since the 3,600 year cycle of the planet Nibiru's passing is slated to be coming in this century. anywhere from 2012-20. You may have noticed that there is something about Global Warming/Climate Change and its efffects in the News or in the paper just about everyday. There seems to be this new urgency, and its really starting to become a part of our lives and how we think,maybe its the beginning of a new Paradiagmn. In order for change to occurr we do have to change the way we think first; we do have to be made aware.

Also factor in that scientist are actively searching for Planet X, they know it exist, but at the same time information on Planet X/ Nibiru is pretty hushed although little bit by little bit the public is being made aware of it.

All I'm saying is maybe Global Warming has less to do with us and more to do with climatic Earth changes coming as a result of the passing of this planet. Not that we shouldn't try and correct the harm we are inflicting on oursleves and other living creatures on the planet because we should if for no other reason then our on sake, health,safety, and survival.

The last time Planet X/ Nibiru made a passing it caused the great Flood thats a part of every culture around the world.

If Governments know of the existence of Planet X and I'm sure most of them do, and if they know its going to bring Climatic earth changes, I doubt seriously if they are going to make that information blantely privy to the public, it would cause to much chaos, not only that, but there are several other important reasons why they wouldn't want that information to get out, the sumarians and the Anunnaki, and all the religious implications that it would bring along with it. The world would literally go insane. But slowly preparing the world through Global warming, and slowly releasing info on planet X could go a long way in preparing the World for coming events.

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.the search for “Planet X” by various astronomers. A significant highlight of that search was the announcement in December 1983 by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory that IRAS (the infra-red telescope) has found a planet, much larger than Earth, moving in the distant heavens in our direction. The announcement – hastily retracted as a “misunderstanding” – prompted the Reagan-Gorbachov meetings and President Reagan’s speech at the U.N. about the common danger to Mankind from “an alien planet out there.”

a video presentation of Reagan’s speech (and Soviet video footage concerning the Phobos Incident), and to a never-before-shown video of my interview of the astronomer who was in charge of the official U.S. government search for Planet X -- Dr. Robert Harrington at the United States Naval Observatory. Speaking of the planet as a matter-of-fact, Dr. Harrington described it as 2 -3 times the size or mass of Earth, with an atmosphere, “habitable;” Dr. Harrington died suddenly soon after the interview - August 1991
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you can see a video of this conference of Reagan on Xfacts.com, also there are interviews of Dr. Harrington

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 7, 2007 1:31 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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However scientist aren't exactly clear on whats causing it.
This is your first mistake.

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Always look upstream.

What I meant was scientist aren't clear on if the cause of Climate Change is because of humans or if its natural as a result of earth changes. Or rather they don't all agree on the causes.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 7, 2007 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
Nope.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html#intro

The sumarians had accurate knowlege of our solar system 6,000 years ago, had pictures of our solar system and even accurate discriptions of all the planets in our solar system right down to the size and color of the planets, they also knew the planets revolved around the sun. Mind you its only been about 4 hundred years since people stop believing that the earth was the center of the universe. They also explained where they got their information from and who gave it to them. The Anunnakki which literally means Those who from Heaven to Earth came, and where they came from was a planet called Nibiru, which literally means, Planet of the crossing ,because this planet has an elipitcal orbit and passes near earth every 3,600 years, because of the gravitational pull the planet's passing brings with it climatic earth changes, not just on earth but the other planets too.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, May 7, 2007 6:24 AM

This is relevant, ie, if Earth gets caught between a Planet X and the Sun, it might get zapped, like a bug trapped in a Walmart patio accessory:

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Sungrazing Comet Possibly Hit by Solar Eruption
www.space.com/scienceastronomy/neat_soho_030218.html

"Here is a spectacular MPEG movie (489 kB) of a coronal ejection event captured by the LASCO instrument on SOHO space telescope. In the movie a comet first appears to encounter the Sun and the coronal mass ejection then occurs almost as if in response to the comet."
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/comet.mpg
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/sun/flares.html

VIDEO: THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE
ARC WELDING IN SPACE: COMETS GET ZAPPED BY SOLAR FLARES ON SUN
2-million degree solar corona
www.thunderboltsfilm.com/PAGES/film_sequences.html
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=THUNDE
RBOLTS&hl=en-GB

If giant Earth telescopes, space telescopes and Lunar Orbiter telescopes cannot find any evidence of gold-plated Apollo Lunar Landers and golf carts on the Moon, how come NASA claims they could see Planet X trillions of miles away, "if it really existed"?

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"The Sun - it's that big firey thing up in the sky. But that's not important right now."
-John Lee, Pirate News TV

"The total energy from the Sun that hits the Earth in one second equals the energy release of Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested, or the total electricity consumption of Norway in 1998. The total energy from the Sun that hits the Earth in one minute equals the total production of electrical energy in the US in 2001. The total energy from the Sun that hits the Earth in one hour equals the total energy consumed by the world in one year (2001). The energy released from a supernova or Gamma Ray Burst equals the total mass-energy of the mass of the Sun."
-Wikipedia, Orders of Magnitude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%29

GLOBAL WARMING MAX 1934
www.texemarrs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=catalo
g&Product_Code=pop_3506_cd&Category_Code=October_2006_Programs

GLOBAL COOLING SINCE 1998
www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.
xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html

GLOBAL WARMING ON SUN
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sS
heet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html

MARS GLOBAL WARMING
www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html

JUPITER GLOBAL WARMING
www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html

NEPTUNE GLOBAL WARMING
www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980526052143data_trunc_sys.shtml

PLUTO GLOBAL WARMING
www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html

SOLAR SYSTEM WARMING
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm

COSMIC GLOBAL WARMING
www.infowars.com/articles/science/global_warming_cosmic_rays_blamed_fo
r_warming.htm

100-MILLION DEGREE MILKY WAY
www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050217tempsspace.htm

SOLAR POLE FLIP
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

OZONE HOLE HOAX
www.hourofthetime.com/Hour_of_the_Time/Podcasts/066763A5-22A6-4A52-88B
4-6082A941D44C.html

GLOBAL FREEZING: Cyclical Ice Age by 2012
http://freedomradio.us/news/2006/1_january/10_ice_age.html

As for the Bad Astronmer, he's employed by NASA on its GLAST Gamma Ray Space Telescope, but he NEVER discusses Gamma Rays in space or on the surface of the Moon, nor complain that Apollo never took a telescope to the Moon...
http://glast.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://glast.sonoma.edu/
http://epo.sonoma.edu/group/plait.html

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VIDEO: NASA GLAST GAMMA-RAY TOUR FROM LOW-EARTH ORBIT
http://glast.sonoma.edu/images/skymaps1.swf

VIDEO: BAD ASTRONOMER FORGOT TO TELL FOX HE WORKS FOR NASA
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484&q=conspir
acy

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CITIZEN

Monday, May 7, 2007 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
The sumarians had accurate knowlege of our solar system 6,000 years ago, had pictures of our solar system and even accurate discriptions of all the planets in our solar system right down to the size and color of the planets, they also knew the planets revolved around the sun.

No they didn't. The Sumerian's, by their own records, only knew about five planets, and that's including the Sun and the Moon.

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Mind you its only been about 4 hundred years since people stop believing that the earth was the center of the universe.

Actually Heliocentrism first arose in India in the 8th Century BC.

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They also explained where they got their information from and who gave it to them. The Anunnakki which literally means Those who from Heaven to Earth came, and where they came from was a planet called Nibiru,

The Ancient Sumerian's NEVER said the Anunnakki came from a planet named Nibiru.

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which literally means, Planet of the crossing ,

It's actually more correctly "neberu" and most commonly means "Crossing place, or Ford". It doesn't literally mean “planet of the crossing” at all, any more than Bridge literally means “floating transport to La la land”.

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because this planet has an elipitcal orbit and passes near earth every 3,600 years, because of the gravitational pull the planet's passing brings with it climatic earth changes, not just on earth but the other planets too.

In that case it's close enough to Earth to observe with a telescope, so maybe you or Stitchen can furnish us with the position to point our telescopes at?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

MALBADINLATIN

Monday, May 7, 2007 3:04 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
“floating transport to La la land”.

That's my laugh for the day, thanks Cit.

Also, I stopped listening/reading as soon as I saw the name Art Bell. No offense Jenny, but this is all crap of the highest order. Remember in "The Message" when that side show guy had the mutant cow on display as an alien, he has way more credibility that anyone connected with Art Bell and the lot. They read minds and spin falsehoods.

And you can't change that by gettn' all bendy.

HERO

Monday, May 7, 2007 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
This is relevant, ie, if Earth gets caught between a Planet X and the Sun, it might get zapped, like a bug trapped in a Walmart patio accessory:

Watching old episodes of Doctor Who is not a good basis for a scientific theory.

Next you'll be watching out for the Cybermen teaming up with Osama Bin Laddin...and where is UNIT in the new series, now that is a conspiracy we need to figure out.

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GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Monday, May 7, 2007 7:17 PM

thanks for the laugh, hero

Why is the rum always gone?

SEVENPERCENT

Monday, May 7, 2007 10:39 PM

I'm not sure why, but Piratejenny and Piratenews' posts in this thread remind me of this movie quote:

Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

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FREDGIBLET

Monday, May 7, 2007 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
The last time Planet X/ Nibiru made a passing it caused the great Flood thats a part of every culture around the world.

Almost every culture has a flood myth because floods happen everywhere, each culture has it's own take on the flood giving a different magnitude, duration, cause, number of survivors etc. There is no pattern and thus there is no reason to think that the flood myths came from the same source. This is the same mistake made by many Christian anti-evolutionists.

FREDGIBLET

Monday, May 7, 2007 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Also factor in that scientist are actively searching for Planet X, they know it exist, but at the same time information on Planet X/ Nibiru is pretty hushed although little bit by little bit the public is being made aware of it.

Any celestial body capable of exerting the kind of influence on the Earth that you are attributing to Planet X, and which is arriving in the timeframe that you cite would be visible to essentially any amateur astronomer right now. So why isn't the amateur astronomy world abuzz with the discovery of a new planet?

MAZAEN

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:20 AM

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Watching old episodes of Doctor Who is not a good basis for a scientific theory.

lol This is where I got most of my knowledge of space from. Ruin my knowledge!

I recall from Doctor Who people losing their faces when the queen had a coronation. The people that lost their faces couldn't eat or talk or anything.

Wow interesting information citizen offered on planet x. Thanks Citizen for sharing your knowledge about planet x.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 2:46 PM

"Dr. Harrington described it as 2 -3 times the size or mass of Earth, with an atmosphere, “habitable;”"

Habitable? That far away from the sun. Would it be too cold to be habitable?

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 21, 2007 7:01 AM

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Also factor in that scientist are actively searching for Planet X, they know it exist, but at the same time information on Planet X/ Nibiru is pretty hushed although little bit by little bit the public is being made aware of it.

Any celestial body capable of exerting the kind of influence on the Earth that you are attributing to Planet X, and which is arriving in the timeframe that you cite would be visible to essentially any amateur astronomer right now. So why isn't the amateur astronomy world abuzz with the discovery of a new planet?

yes I've been wondering about that too. There has been talk of a planet having been found, but it does seem as if even amteurs should be noticing something going on and so far nothing from that camp!!

O.K here is an explantion of why Planet X has not been seen by amteurs yet

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The 12th Planet/ planet X/ Nibiru perodic appearance and disappreance from earths view confirms the assumption of it permanence in solar orbit. In this it acts like many comets. If so, why are our astronomers not aware of the existence of this planet? The facts is even an orbit half as long as the lower figure ( thecomet) Kohoutek, (every 7,500 years), would take the 12th planet about 6 times farther away from us than Pluto- a distance at which such a planet would not be visable from Earth. In fact the known planets beyond Saturn were discovered first not visually but mathmatically.

Which in essence is true of how planet X is currently being detected.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 21, 2007 7:01 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
"Dr. Harrington described it as 2 -3 times the size or mass of Earth, with an atmosphere, “habitable;”"

Habitable? That far away from the sun. Would it be too cold to be habitable?

Planet X is supposedly heated by it's inner core!!

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 21, 2007 7:03 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
The sumarians had accurate knowlege of our solar system 6,000 years ago, had pictures of our solar system and even accurate discriptions of all the planets in our solar system right down to the size and color of the planets, they also knew the planets revolved around the sun.
No they didn't. The Sumerian's, by their own records, only knew about five planets, and that's including the Sun and the Moon.
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Mind you its only been about 4 hundred years since people stop believing that the earth was the center of the universe.
Actually Heliocentrism first arose in India in the 8th Century BC.
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They also explained where they got their information from and who gave it to them. The Anunnakki which literally means Those who from Heaven to Earth came, and where they came from was a planet called Nibiru,
The Ancient Sumerian's NEVER said the Anunnakki came from a planet named Nibiru.
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which literally means, Planet of the crossing ,
It's actually more correctly "neberu" and most commonly means "Crossing place, or Ford". It doesn't literally mean “planet of the crossing” at all, any more than Bridge literally means “floating transport to La la land”.
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because this planet has an elipitcal orbit and passes near earth every 3,600 years, because of the gravitational pull the planet's passing brings with it climatic earth changes, not just on earth but the other planets too.
In that case it's close enough to Earth to observe with a telescope, so maybe you or Stitchen can furnish us with the position to point our telescopes at?

exactly if the whole solar system is heating up, its alot more to it them human beings although we should try to find ways to cut back and end the pollution for our on health and safety if for no other reason!!

MISTERREAVER

Monday, May 21, 2007 8:25 AM

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Originally posted by Cruithne3753:

Nope.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html#intro

I agree PlanetX does not exist

however NASA and some of the other scientists like Russian or Euros have discovered exo-planets
that is world's beyond our own solar system. These planets are very far away and cound not change our planets climate directly.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, May 21, 2007 9:14 AM

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No they didn't. The Sumerian's, by their own records, only knew about five planets, and that's including the Sun and the Moon.
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I don't know where you got your information but its incorrect, The sumerians knew of 12 planets in our solar system, they counted the moon and sun as planets making Nibiru the 12 Planet in our solar system, some people don't count the sun and moon and say Planet X/ Nibiru is the 10th planet. but the sumarians called it the 12th and they've got discriptions of it and pictures..and honestly I'd take their word over it before yours anyday seeing as how they know more about the subject!!!

According to Mespotamian Text when Nibiru/ Planet X does come into the solar system it will be so bright that we will be able to see it shining even in the daytime espeically in the morning and towards evening.

And the name Nibiru in sumarian does mean Planet of the Crossing!! And its symbol has been the cross since ancient times!! I wasn't talking about the word "neberu" I was talking the planet Nibiru..the actual planet!! its name what it means and its symbol!!

Many of the ancient Sumarian cylinder seals describe a planet that orbit takes it beyond Pluto, but also comes in from the SOUTH and moves in a counterclockwise direction according to Mesopotamian data.
I guess we will know the truth when it actually happens, at least this is one thing that can be proved or disproved!! Time certainly will tell!!

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, May 21, 2007 2:00 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:

According to Mespotamian Text when Nibiru/ Planet X does come into the solar system it will be so bright that we will be able to see it shining even in the daytime espeically in the morning and towards evening.

Sounds like a Comet to me.
How about some links to your sources, I mean the Sumerian texts not Sitchin. You keep saying "according to Sumerian texts" well lets have some qoutes so that we can judge for ourselves. But if the texts you are reading are in Sitchin's books then you'r not reading Sumerian text, you'r reading Sitchin's interpretation of them, or his interpretation of someone elses translation which is even less accurate.

FREDGIBLET

Monday, May 21, 2007 5:01 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
yes I've been wondering about that too. There has been talk of a planet having been found, but it does seem as if even amteurs should be noticing something going on and so far nothing from that camp!!

Right...because it doesn't exist.

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O.K here is an explantion of why Planet X has not been seen by amteurs yet
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The 12th Planet/ planet X/ Nibiru perodic appearance and disappreance from earths view confirms the assumption of it permanence in solar orbit. In this it acts like many comets. If so, why are our astronomers not aware of the existence of this planet? The facts is even an orbit half as long as the lower figure ( thecomet) Kohoutek, (every 7,500 years), would take the 12th planet about 6 times farther away from us than Pluto- a distance at which such a planet would not be visable from Earth. In fact the known planets beyond Saturn were discovered first not visually but mathmatically.

Which in essence is true of how planet X is currently being detected.

But if it's close enough exert any serious kind of influence on the Earth then it should be visible, if it isn't then it's either very small or somehow is not reflecting any light. If it were able to exert a significant influence from far enough away to not be visible then it would have to be extremely massive, with gravity strong enough that it's almost inconceivable that any large life forms could survive, much less travel off of their planet.

FREDGIBLET

Monday, May 21, 2007 5:04 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Planet X is supposedly heated by it's inner core!!

If it is still being heated by it's core then it must have been amazingly hot recently (recently in geological terms that is), this would have likely made it extremely difficult for life to evolve.

CITIZEN

Monday, May 21, 2007 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I don't know where you got your information

From credible sources, i.e.: Not Stitchen.

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but its incorrect,

No your information is incorrect. I know where your information comes from, a liar and a hack. A man who is, right now, laughing at your gullibility and planning his next book: one about how the pyramids in Egypt are really landing pads for ancient Go'uld space craft, and how the hieroglyphics clearly show that people traveled between the planets using 'Stargates'.

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The sumerians knew of 12 planets in our solar system, they counted the moon and sun as planets making Nibiru the 12 Planet in our solar system, some people don't count the sun and moon and say Planet X/ Nibiru is the 10th planet. but the sumarians called it the 12th and they've got discriptions of it and pictures..

No they haven't.

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and honestly I'd take their word over it before yours anyday seeing as how they know more about the subject!!!

And I take the word of credible, and sane, archaeologists over the liar, and hack Stitchen. Lets get one thing straight, you are not taking the word of the ancient Sumerians, you're taking the word of Stitchen. Credible archaeologists have a very different view of Sumerian knowledge, but you choose to believe the whacked out conspiracy theory, because that's all you ever believe. Post after post over the years have eloquently proven that your main criteria for belief in a 'theory' is not how credible it is, nor how much evidence there is too back it up, but how crazy, and unsupported it is. It is unfortunate that there is an 'alternate-class' of people, such as yourself, who seem to believe that the less real evidence there is for something, and the more it goes against any sort of credible scientific process, the more believable it is.

We really haven't come that far from the Spanish inquisition, some still want to believe in insanity, and Stitchen is your Torquemada.

And as a slight addendum, I know more about the solar system than even the most advanced Sumerian scholars of the period. As does Stitchen, which is why his faked Sumerian knowledge convinces those who want to believe.

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According to Mespotamian Text when Nibiru/ Planet X does come into the solar system it will be so bright that we will be able to see it shining even in the daytime espeically in the morning and towards evening

No, according to what Stitchen says about Mesopotamian text. Please don't confuse anything Stitchen has to say with reality, I believe this is the major problem you are having. You haven't been studying your chart have you:

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And the name Nibiru in sumarian does mean Planet of the Crossing!!

No it doesn't.

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And its symbol has been the cross since ancient times!!

No it's symbol has been the '$' ever since Stitchen made it up.

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I wasn't talking about the word "neberu"

Yes you were.

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I was talking the planet Nibiru..the actual planet!!

Nibiru is what Stitchen translates Neberu as (Hack remember).

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Many of the ancient Sumarian cylinder seals describe a planet that orbit takes it beyond Pluto, but also comes in from the SOUTH and moves in a counterclockwise direction according to Mesopotamian data.

Since the Sumerians didn't know about Pluto that's pretty clever, but then that's because the whole thing is a figment of Stitchen's imagination. Stitchen is the only person who has (supposedly) studied these seals and come to the conclusion that they say theres a '12th Planet'. He's making it up, if he was writing a hundred years ago he would have said it was the 11th planet, because Pluto hadn't been discovered by then. Stitchen advocated Sumerian knowledge fits what we now know about the solar system because it's been made up by someone with the benefit of modern knowledge, i.e. Stitchen.

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I guess we will know the truth whe

OLDENGLANDDRY

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:01 PM

Hmmm...

Seems to be all quite on the Planet X front.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:46 PM

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"Dr. Harrington described it as 2 -3 times the size or mass of Earth, with an atmosphere, “habitable;”"

Habitable? That far away from the sun. Would it be too cold to be habitable?

Planet X is supposedly heated by it's inner core!!

And black guys dicks are supposedly bigger than whites(We all know that's not true)......Well, that's what I hear........

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:47 AM

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hmmm let me see, who is an expert on the surmarians..Stitchen or Citizen...Stitchen, or Citizen, again I'd take his word over yours since this is his field of expertise!!!

And again there are like 200 people in the whole wide world that can read and understand Sumerian Text , Stitchen happens to be one of them, is this person that you know and expert in sumerians..I highly doubt it!!!

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:50 AM

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Originally posted by fredgiblet:
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Planet X is supposedly heated by it's inner core!!

If it is still being heated by it's core then it must have been amazingly hot recently (recently in geological terms that is), this would have likely made it extremely difficult for life to evolve.

That may very well be true, but then again it maynot be. Some scientist say that a habitable planet can be heated by its inner core, it depends on alot of things, but again if the planet doesn't exist then it will be proven not to exist.

you should check out Xfacts.com and click on sumerian culture, it will answer alot of your questions.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:56 AM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:

According to Mespotamian Text when Nibiru/ Planet X does come into the solar system it will be so bright that we will be able to see it shining even in the daytime espeically in the morning and towards evening.

Sounds like a Comet to me.
How about some links to your sources, I mean the Sumerian texts not Sitchin. You keep saying "according to Sumerian texts" well lets have some qoutes so that we can judge for ourselves. But if the texts you are reading are in Sitchin's books then you'r not reading Sumerian text, you'r reading Sitchin's interpretation of them, or his interpretation of someone elses translation which is even less accurate.

Sumerian Text according to Stitchen, there are only a handful of people if that in the whole world that can read and understand sumerian text, the only real diffrence between Sitchen and some other scholars is that he takes what the sumerians say as literal truth, many others just look at the text as myths...

I happen to think that Stitchen is on the right track not saying he is correct in every detail of his interpetation, but I think he's probably got about 90 percent of it correct.

if he's wrong, then time will soon tell. but if he's right...This is going to be something major.

MAZAEN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:22 AM

piratejenny
citizen is like this with everyone.
Knowledge is pretty much reliant on facts. Sitchen hypothesises that there is a planet Nibiru. Hypthesises is a word that means an idea that hasn't been proven to be a fact. Because Nibiru is a hypothesis, wouldn't that mean it is not a fact? When a hypothesis becomes proven, then it becomes a fact.

Citizen
Bunny-land- glad you've discovered it and appreciate it's value. Tell us about it. I know, bunny's aren't for intelligent people like yourself because then you have to question you're intelligence or something like that.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:45 AM

I know about Citizen he doesn't bother me, he wants hardcore facts, and thats fine by me, Actually thats not a bad thing at all,until the planet actually shows up, yeah its just a hypothesis as you say atleast for many. But really it isn't. The sumerians had the 1rst ever civilization, the rose up literally overnight and out of the blue, out of their civilization and culture they gave many of our 1rst, math,science,atronomy, religion, music, and they themselves have said everything they know was given to them by the annunakki!!

I see it as more than that because this is something that has happened before and information thats been passed down

I happen to think Stitchen has got it right!! After all he's just going by what the sumerians themselves have said. Its all very fascinating, either way the thing I like about this is that it can be proven and will be proven or disproven either way bTime will soon tell

But, if its true and I do think it is,
well the World as we know it is in for some major changes!!! exciting for some, scary for others and challenging for us all I imagine.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:15 AM

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like a Comet to me.
How about some links to your sources, I mean the Sumerian texts not Sitchin. You keep saying "according to Sumerian texts" well lets have some qoutes so that we can judge for ourselves. But if the texts you are reading are in Sitchin's books then you'r not reading Sumerian text, you'r reading Sitchin's interpretation of them, or his interpretation of someone elses translation which is even less accurate.

Nope the sumerians were talking about a planet, that the annunakki came from.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:27 PM

Your still relying too much on Stitchin's INTERPRETATIONS of texts that you imply he TRANSLATED HIMSELF. In other words, since you and I dont read Sumerian or Cuniform, Stitchin could be making it all up. We only have his word for it.
Once again I ask you to quote some sources other than Stitchin. Post some of these text translations and let us judge for ourselves, otherwise everything you say is just your personal opinion (and Stitchin's).

CITIZEN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:59 PM

Yeah I don't take Stitchens word at face value, unlike you. A little digging soon goes to show that Stitchens interpretation has no credibility, he won't even dare publish it as a peer review, if you cared about the reality of the situation you'd do some checking beyond Stitchen's say so. If there's 200 people who can read Summerian cuniform then there's 199 other interpretation you dismiss and care nothing for, because, it would seem, they don't say what you want to hear.

It's not science, and it's insulting that you and Stitchen dress up this faith as anything but.

There's numerous ways we can dimiss Stitchens account, the fact that his interpretations are dubious, at best, is the least of them. The fact that his fable, for it is not even a hypothesis, is impossible under physics would be a major one.

EDITED: For tone.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:01 PM

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Originally posted by mazaen:
Citizen
Bunny-land- glad you've discovered it and appreciate it's value. Tell us about it. I know, bunny's aren't for intelligent people like yourself because then you have to question you're intelligence or something like that.

The difference between you and I, is that I only attack people who attack me first.

Secondly, what the hell are you babbling about? Glad you've discovered bunny-land... bunnies aren't for intelligent people like you. You contradict yourself in two run-on sentences.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:02 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I know about Citizen he doesn't bother me, he wants hardcore facts,

Science wants hardcore facts, religion wants faith. If this is your religion then thats a different matter entirely.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:41 PM

Citizen I think I've told you before that I'm not religious...and don't have a religion, I think your the one thats religious, maybe thats why your so quick to dismiss what Stitchen is saying although if you haven't read any of his books, I honestly don't see where you can have formed such an opinion.

Its not as if Stitchen is just throwing stuff out there and saying believe what I say, there is evidence that supports what he and the sumerians have said, thetr are scientist that also agree, have you even read any of stitchen's books!! last time we we discussed this you had not

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.Yeah I don't take Stitchens word at face value, unlike you. A little digging soon goes to show that Stitchens interpretation has no credibility, he won't even dare publish it as a peer review, if you cared about the reality of the situation you'd do some checking beyond Stitchen's say so. If there's 200 people who can read Summerian cuniform then there's 199 other interpretation you dismiss and care nothing for, because, it would seem, they don't say what you want to hear.

I don't believe you've even read his books, no I'm not ignorning others interpretation, its just that Stichen is the one that makes the most sense. Just like you cannot ignore the facts ,the same stories in the Bible are predated by more detailed stories of the same events in sumerian text. yet just because the Annunakki are there many other sholars want to say that they are myths...its a contridiction.

Stitchen doesn't ignore whats right before him because its to dangerous or does not fit with his world view, he lays it out there.

Stitchen can't be dismissed and he won't be, their is lots of informtion detailed very detailed information that comes from the sumarians, if you want to ignore it you can do so , but I'm not going too.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:55 PM

So lets see some of this detailed information then.

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I don't believe you've even read his books, no I'm not ignorning others interpretation, its just that Stichen is the one that makes the most sense.

To you.

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Just like you cannot ignore the facts ,the same stories in the Bible are predated by more detailed stories of the same events in sumerian text. yet just because the Annunakki are there many other sholars want to say that they are myths...its a contridiction.

Not really, we are a country of Christians so calling the Bible a myth raises hackles, calling the Sumerian beliefs myth only pisses off people like you. Many of those scholars would probably be willing to privately call the Bible a myth they just don't want to deal with the backlash of calling it a myth in public.

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Stitchen can't be dismissed and he won't be

He can be and he has.

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Its all very fascinating, either way the thing I like about this is that it can be proven and will be proven or disproven either way bTime will soon tell

He has given a date for when this planet is going to show up right?

My money is on the following happening, the date comes and goes and he says something to the effect of "Oops, I transposed a variable, it won't be here for 20 more years" and you will believe him, and then 20 years later when it fails to appear again he will say "Oops, I replaced the wrong variable, it's going to be about 20 more years" and you will believe him again.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:32 PM

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Stitchen can't be dismissed and he won't be

He can be and he has.

Yes to me, most defintely to me

No stitchen will not be dismissed nor has he been, don't get it confused, I'm not proposing that anyone agree with me or stitchen I'm just putting it out there.

Well if the Time comes around and no planet arrives then where is the harm...But if it does then what? Stitchen didn't make up the time the planet would come around, the sumerians are the ones who said the planet has a 3,600 year orbit!! also Stichen is 84 years old I doubt if he'll be around in 20 years

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I don't believe you've even read his books, no I'm not ignorning others interpretation, its just that Stichen is the one that makes the most sense.

To you.

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Just like you cannot ignore the facts ,the same stories in the Bible are predated by more detailed stories of the same events in sumerian text. yet just because the Annunakki are there many other sholars want to say that they are myths...its a contridiction.

Not really, we are a country of Christians so calling the Bible a myth raises hackles, calling the Sumerian beliefs myth only pisses off people like you. Many of those scholars would probably be willing to privately call the Bible a myth they just don't want to deal with the backlash of calling it a myth in public.

Most scientist are evolutionst, so most don't have to take a stance on that , Science and religion are usually opposing eachother,

however the truth more than likely lies somewhere between the two extremes, the sumerians certainly do say so, we were both evolved and where created, so its no surprise that many would call the sumerian tales myths

However we cannot ingnore that there is a missing link that hasn't been found , and it won't be because the missing link is the annunakki , look you can ignore alot of the facts if you like its your choice, all I'm saying is before completely dismissing it look at everything

Why would you think I'd be pissed off, I'm not nor have I ever been, you obviously don't understand.

The Bible stories are predated by the same sumerian stories, which explains where those stories came from, so if you are calling the sumerian stories a myth then you are calling the Biblical stories a myth. the Biblical stories are but a condesed, less informative less detailed, edited version of the sumerian stories.

Also Abraham the founding father of judeaism was from Ur. which explains where they got their stories!!

I'm not religious so there is no need for me to be pissed off!!!

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Why would you think I'd be pissed off, I'm not nor have I ever been

Because they are calling the things you believe in myths. People usually get pissed when their beliefs are called myths.

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you obviously don't understand.

I don't understand the way your mind works, but I do have a decent grasp on the way most peoples minds work.

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The Bible stories are predated by the same sumerian stories, which explains where those stories came from, so if you are calling the sumerian stories a myth then you are calling the Biblical stories a myth. the Biblical stories are but a condesed, less informative less detailed, edited version of the sumerian stories.

Right, but most people have the amazing capacity to experience cognitive dissonance without a flinch, plus most people aren't aware that the Bible is based off of earlier works and many would deny it if you tried to tell them. As I said many people who actually study the history of the Bible would be willing to call the Bible mythical in private, but stating it publicly would cause a backlash.

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I'm not religious so there is no need for me to be pissed off!!!

Then what's with al the quotation marks?

EDIT: Geh, meant exclamation points.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:11 PM

The quotation marks are just a little quirk of mines, a habit really.

Yes most people don't understand the way my mind works because I'm not religious, and yet I do give the information handed down through antiquity credit in explining our orgins and how we came to have religion and how we came to be here.I don't take the stories as myths, I think part of the confusion is that most people who claim to be religious secretly do think of the stories as myths even though they would never say so;However, when they come across someone who isn't religious but actually gives the stories some crediblity..its hard for them to understand,

I look at them as being very real espeically when you go to the orginal source the sumerians, because those stories are not boggled down in symbology. Inorder to do that you have to go back to the 1rst known culture and civilzation on the planet. The Sumerians had knowlege and information even technology, all great civilzations that came after it have a direct tie and relation to Sumer, we cannot ignore what they said and what they told us.

And what they said was everything they have and learned was given to them by the annunakki.

FREDGIBLET

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I don't take the stories as myths

Do you believe all of them? since so many of them contradict each other it would seem to be impossible.

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Inorder to do that you have to go back to the 1rst known culture and civilzation on the planet.

First known does not necessarily mean first though, something to keep in mind. Sumer is the first civilization that left enough traces for us to confirm it's existence, but that doesn't mean that there couldn't have been another civilization that simply didn't leave enough evidence (or we haven't looked in the right spot). In fact this hypothetical other civilization could be the aliens that the Sumerians supposedly came in contact with.

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all great civilzations that came after it have a direct tie and relation to Sumer

I'm pretty sure that the Aztecs, Incas, Mayans and maybe even the Chinese, Japanese and Mongols were already gone from the area before the rise of Sumer. As for the Middle East and the civilizations of Europe though you won't find me arguing against that.

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we cannot ignore what they said and what they told us.

Why should we give them more credence then any other ancient civilization?

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:43 PM

Sumer predates all other civilzations on the planet. and the Sumerians do say that the annunakki, were here 1rt and had already established cities before there were ever any Homo sapiens not other homnids but homo sapiens whom the sumerians distinguished the diffrence between themselves.So long before Sumerians had began to write down their history,The annunakki and later the sumerians themselves had already long been here As it stands all evidence supports that the sumerians were the 1rst, they themselves cobborate this. Scientific evidence supports this life and civilzation started in Africa southern and Civilzation in the eastern part around the Euphrates and Tigress river

RUE

Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:31 AM

http://www.apollon.uio.no/vis/art/2006_4/Artikler/python_english
archaeological find in Botswana shows that our ancestors in Africa engaged in ritual practice 70,000 years ago

MAZAEN

Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:00 AM

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The difference between you and I, is that I only attack people who attack me first.

Citizen
No I said you were intelligent. Saying someone is intelligent is a compliment.

The difference between you and I is that you often don't believe you are intelligent and I always believe I am intelligent. If anyone is silly you automatically think they are being silly in order to show you that you are unintelligent. You don't like people saying things more intelligent than you because you have to question your intelligence. I don't care if anyone is silly or smarter than me. You think your intelligence is the only quality you have. I don't think intelligence is the only quality I have. Intelligence is not the only quality you have. One quality I have noticed you have is wit. You could find other qualities if you looked.

piratejenny
What were some of the predictions from Stichen about the world? (For those people like me that don't know much about Stichen's work)

RUE

Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:14 AM

For anyone who's interested, I've read several articles about the discovery. It seems the ancient people worshipped a stone python. That was so long ago (70,000 years) that it's hard to believe an oral tradition survived, but I do wonder if that was part of the snake in the garden of Eden myth. (The garden being the pre-language stage of humanity.)

BTW the first evidence I know of for modern humans are fossilized footprints dating 100,000 years ago. So there is very recent evidence of modern humans followed shortly by evidence of myth and religion.

But none of this fits in with the Sumerian timetable which goes back a mere 7,000 years.

PIRATECAT

Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:46 AM

PJ love your stuff. Even if its a fairy tale just great entertainment. I believe in Art Bell and God. Lets see I know Chaco canyon in northwest New Mexico has little space midgets drawn on it 1k years or so ago by injuns. Nirbiru hmmmm could be not sure but makes sense. This is why I stock up on root beer and chili dog sauce. I just think global Warming is from farting or just natural time occurances. Citizen had it sexual organs removed and thats why it has so much venom on its posts. Say anything you want. I like this type of topic. I always figured space midgets took apes and pigs and made the Irish race. Who really knows. Sitchin I enjoy but he is about selling his books. He always has been about making a buck. Scientologist have a take with the book Battlefield Earth. Keep up the interesting posts. Nobody really knows our past.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

TRUEBLUE

Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:01 AM

This has been really entertaining...

There is a "planet" beyond pluto. The unofficial name was "Xena" it had one moon, unofficial name of "Gabrielle"... caused all manner of bru-ha-ha in astronomical circles.

They decided to create a new category of Dwarf Planets (not really planets, but still quite big and imperfectly orbiting the sun) Pluto was bumped into this category with the re-named planet (cant remember what they called it, should of stuck with Xena IMO).

Description sounds like a comet *not* a planet and the sources are disreputable. Funny debate though...

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I will think of a signature later. It will be so stunningly brilliant your entire life will pale into insignificance when compared to the few words that will be written here.

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:03 PM

@Trueblue

Xena does not conform in any way to the description given for Nibiru

CITIZEN

Friday, May 25, 2007 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
and don't have a religion, I think your the one thats religious, maybe thats why your so quick to dismiss what Stitchen is saying although if you haven't read any of his books, I honestly don't see where you can have formed such an opinion.

I'm the one who wants hard scientific evidence for something, and you are the one that takes Stitchen's word backed up by Stitchen's word that he has evidence, and I'm the one who's taking the religious view? You reject science for Stitchen pop-psuedo-science, just because you also reject 'mainstream' religions doesn't mean that yours is any less of a faith based stance.

Why are you so quick to reject mainstream science for Stitchen's say so? Sounds like the young Earth Creationist rejecting the 4 billion year old rocks, because the Bible scholar says the Earth was only created 6000 years ago.

Oh, and coincidently, I've read enough of Stitchen's work to know he bases his assumptions on leaps of faith worthy of works like the Bible.

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Its not as if Stitchen is just throwing stuff out there and saying believe what I say, there is evidence that supports what he and the sumerians have said, thetr are scientist that also agree, have you even read any of stitchen's books!! last time we we discussed this you had not

Have I read one of his books all the way through? No, I don't wish to authorise such drivel, nor do I wish too waste my money. I have read much of his work, indeed easily enough to make the assertions I do. Have you read anything from a credible source? Have you read anything that disagrees with Stitchen at all, let alone with the level of 'open mindedness' (i.e. blind faith) that you expect me to show Stitchen?

I rather expect not. Even IF we are to accept Stitchen's translation as correct, and we accept that his interpretation is also correct, (which I, and it would seem just about everyone who can read Cuneiform do not) then there's the basic fact that as far as these concepts have been outlined to me they are physically impossible. Even if he is 100% correct with his interpretations, that doesn't not therefore mean the Summerians were, or that this was anything more than a children's bed time story, or religious dogma.

Think about it, two thousand years from now some Martian Archaeologist comes to Earth to study 19th/20th Century Western Earth culture, and digs up a copy of 'Alice in Wonderland'. She returns to Mars, and proclaims it as proof that a little girl living in Victorian England travelled to the Fourth Dimension, and met a mad hatter. Sheds a new light on your rigid observance that Stitchen has a credible claim to the existence of Planet X, even in lieu of any real evidence of it's existence, at least to me.

Who are these scientist that agree with Stitchen? Mrs Stitchen perhaps? Professor Tiddles, AKA Stitchens Tabby? Anything to back up this assertion, at all?

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I don't believe you've even read his books, no I'm not ignorning others interpretation, its just that Stichen is the one that makes the most sense.

I don't believe you've read anything besides Stitchen on this matter, not even basic astrophysics, let alone alternate interpretations. Of course Stitchen's interpretation makes the most sense if you're only exposure to other interpretations was on a Stitchen friendly website that tells you it's 'all lies', and/or cherry picks the weakest examples.

Here's another interpretation even accepting what Stitchen has to say is 100% correct: It's just a religious fable. How on Earth (or Planet X-Y or Z for that matter) does "there's a planet with an advanced race of super beings floating around space, that our telescopes just happen to be unable to see" make more sense than that?

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Just like you cannot ignore the facts ,the same stories in the Bible are predated by more detailed stories of the same events in sumerian text. yet just because the Annunakki are there many other sholars want to say that they are myths...its a contridiction.

CITIZEN

Friday, May 25, 2007 5:39 PM

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Citizen
No I said you were intelligent. Saying someone is intelligent is a compliment.

There's such a thing as a gilded insult, and given the context of your post, and the wording of that statement, gilded insult is a strong possibility. It's made even more likely given our previous conversations. I believe I mentioned infinte deniability

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The difference between you and I is that you often don't believe you are intelligent and I always believe I am intelligent. If anyone is silly you automatically think they are being silly in order to show you that you are unintelligent. You don't like people saying things more intelligent than you because you have to question your intelligence. I don't care if anyone is silly or smarter than me. You think your intelligence is the only quality you have. I don't think intelligence is the only quality I have. Intelligence is not the only quality you have. One quality I have noticed you have is wit. You could find other qualities if you looked.

You got this from a few typed words on a message board? What else do you have to tell me? Shall I tell you about my mother? Should I lay on the couch or sit in the chair? Oh the decisions! Will I look suitably intelligent lying down? Oh my.

Tell me, doctor, does my bum look big in this?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:21 AM

I'm not quick to dismiss mainstream science, which is why I asked if you read the books because in fact what Stitchen says is actually supported by science, thats why I asked if you had read the books which you have not,you are the one who continually dismiss what Stichen has to say and you don't even know what he's saying

As for wanting hardcore proof, I think thats great, but there is alot of proof that supports what the sumerians and Stitchen is saying...

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:38 AM

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The difference between you and I, is that I only attack people who attack me first.

Citizen
No I said you were intelligent. Saying someone is intelligent is a compliment.

The difference between you and I is that you often don't believe you are intelligent and I always believe I am intelligent. If anyone is silly you automatically think they are being silly in order to show you that you are unintelligent. You don't like people saying things more intelligent than you because you have to question your intelligence. I don't care if anyone is silly or smarter than me. You think your intelligence is the only quality you have. I don't think intelligence is the only quality I have. Intelligence is not the only quality you have. One quality I have noticed you have is wit. You could find other qualities if you looked.

piratejenny
What were some of the predictions from Stichen about the world? (For those people like me that don't know much about Stichen's work)

Well Stitchen doesn't really make any predictions, but based on what the sumerians say, when this planet Nibiru comes around supposedly every 3,600 years, when it comes back into our solar system its gravatational pull wreaks all kinds of havoc on the planets, floods , earthquakes, huge storms, even pole shifts, the degrees of damage is varying, the great flood that happened was last caused by the gravatational pull, made the ice caps in the anartic slide, and this incident caused the great flood.

But there are other things that Stitchen talks about espeically in his second to last book book the Cosmic Code that has to do with our duel, D.N.A and how we will be able to realize our annunakki legacy through this cosmic code. Its all very fascinating, I'd advise anyone who has an interest but have not read the books to log on to the website Xfacts.com

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:04 AM

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Posted by RUE
"You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..." Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 15:14

For anyone who's interested, I've read several articles about the discovery. It seems the ancient people worshipped a stone python. That was so long ago (70,000 years) that it's hard to believe an oral tradition survived, but I do wonder if that was part of the snake in the garden of Eden myth. (The garden being the pre-language stage of humanity.)

BTW the first evidence I know of for modern humans are fossilized footprints dating 100,000 years ago. So there is very recent evidence of modern humans followed shortly by evidence of myth and religion.

But none of this fits in with the Sumerian timetable which goes back a mere 7,000 years.]...

you're thinking of the sumerian civilization that started about 6,000 years ago. but thats only the sumerian civilation, The annunakki themselves had been here long long before that and so had people just not the the civilzation. The the whole reasons for the annunakki creating homosapiaens, was for the purpose of working the mines, the sumerians talk about this, actually the 1rst homosapiens could not breed the Annunakki made them this way on purpose, but then homo sapiens were gentically altered to breed, obviously because they needed a bigger work force. so yes 100,00 70,000 years ago there were people. But the full blown sumerian culture and civilzations rose up about 6,000 years ago, along with reading, writting, science, argriculture, etc... all things given to them by the annunakki!!

Also the snake, is the symbol of the Anunakki named Ea, who is credited by the sumerians as having help to create homosapiens and also as one of the first Annunnakki to splash down to earth and make settlements, he was a scientist/ engineer of sorts. His symbol the snake is also a symbol of the brotherhood of the snake which was an order of sorts that was established by Ea and other annunakki to help mankind and deseminate knowlege, because of the jump in evolution mankind was capable of doing things without true undestanding, that understanding or knowing could only come about through learning but it had to be done in stages. Enki/Ea's brother Enlil opposed this, actually there were two fractions of Annunakki, thats a long and complicated story, but even though Enki was the 1rst born of Anu, the leader on Nibiru, he wasn't the heir Enlil was because Enki's mother was not a half sister... anywho , Enlil viewed homosapiens as a sort of abomination, creating worker race out of Anunakki d.n.a and the simular homnids was obscene something that should not have been.Which is understandable if you think about it tampering with nature to that degree, Enlil obviously perceived by jumping into the evolving process, was not only morally wrong, but they would be responssible for the consequeces of such actions. And lets just say he was beyond pissed when humans were allowed to procreate. anyway Enlil was given the command and power to rule on earth and Enki/Ea was given the title Lord Of Earth, but it was only a name he was given the abzu, what we call Egypt and other parts of Africa to rule over, but it was Enil who had the power. The two sides continually clashed, espeically over homo sapiens, given them any kind of knowlege was a no go for Enlil. actually what we think of as the priesthood and religion , started out of Enki's brotherhood of the snake or the desemination of knowlege the sciences etc. This brother hood was corrupted. but again its a very long and complicated story, The orginal source of this concept came, by way of the homosapiens who 1rst tended and catered to needs and care of the Annunakki in every manner conceviable, In the bible when it says that the tree of knowlege would be barred by swords..in essence that was true, as is evidence by where we stand today, but again I'm summing all this up in a way where it makes very little sense

Actually the story of in sumerian of giving homosapiens the ablity to procrate, is more th

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:13 PM

PJ,

Let's just say (hypothetically) that PlanetX exists. What are we going to do about it? There is no humanly posible way of altering the orbit of such a supposedly large object, so why, pray tell, are you bothering us about this (again)?

If Planet X is going to destroy the world (or whatever it supposedly does; I'm not exactly clear on that point), why bother worrying about it? You can't stop it. We can't stop it. And you are NOT going to convince anyone, just like none of us have any chance of convincing you that Stitchen is a fraud and/or a fool.

So just drop it. Live your life in fear of imaginary planets if you want. I choose not to.

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

CITIZEN

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
As for wanting hardcore proof, I think thats great, but there is alot of proof that supports what the sumerians and Stitchen is saying...

Such as, and I swear if you refrence the bible or what stitchen says the Sumerians say as proof of what Stitchen says the Sumerians say I'm going to feed a kitten to my Snake, and post the pictures.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

RUE

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:33 PM

PJ

I was afraid you'd post this. I didn't want to get into scientific stuff b/c you'd rather pretend it doesn't matter.

BUT - if there was a planet that came close to earth every few thousand years, don't you think the current orbits would show that disturbance ? There is simply no trace of an unaccounted-for factor either in artifacts like Stonehenge or in modern orbital calculations. Do you really think every culture around the globe has been hiding this over several thousand years? Or do you think a big planet comes by every few thousand years, wreaks havoc, and someone fixes up the orbits afterwards so no one notices?

How do you get past this major fact in order to keep to your beliefs? I'm curious, let me know.

ALSO - the other thing that is scientifically faulty is the presumption that human DNA is different from common chimps, bonobos and gorillas. In order to be able to breed with aliens human DNA would have to be very different. (Unless you're assuming that somehow aliens evolved human-like DNA.) Having sequenced human DNA (the human genome project) nothing unusual has been found. And the more chimp and human DNA is studied and compared, the more and more commonalities are found. People exist on a genetic spectrum and are not unique on the planet.

So if you can explain to me how human DNA shows alien features I'd appreciate it.

FINALLY - I think most people like a touch of the mysterious in their lives. It's a let-down to look around and say - This is all there is. Across the globe you'll find every culture creates some form of myth, in part to give a larger meaning to the everyday. However it's psychologically dangerous to deny reality on your way to myth.

So the third question I have for you is whether you are uncomfortable denying basic reality in order to maintain your beliefs.

REAVERMAN

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:

The the whole reasons for the annunakki creating homosapiaens, was for the purpose of working the mines...

Okay, there's one major logical flaw in that theory: If we were designed to work in "the mines", why aren't we built for working in mines? If the Annunakki wanted beings to do hard labor, first off, there would be no need to give them sentience (actually, it would be quite counter-productive to do so), and we wouldn't be the feeble creatues that we are. Physically, humanity is weak, slow, and has rather pathetic senses compared to most animals out there. In fact, the only reason we've survived as a species is our intelligence.

So why don't we have the monstrous strength and endurance that would be necesary for constant hard labor? If I was going to create a beast of burden, it would be stupid, but trainable in basic tasks, and have incredible strength and endurance.

Also, if the Annunakki are advanced enough to bio-engineer entire species, why would they bother with creating biological servants in the first place? Machines programmed with simple instructions are hundreds of times faster and more efficient that any living creature.

No, the evidence, and logic just don't support anything Stitchen says...

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

MAZAEN

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 11:30 PM

piratejenny,
Thanks for your info.

Planet X seems like an interesting myth/ history.

Past religions have also effected the day to day life in the world now. Some of the days of the week for instance are named after past gods. Sunday is named after the Sun god. The sabbath was moved from Saturday to Sunday so that it was on the Sun god day. The sabbath being on the Sun god day made the sun-god worshippers happy.

Citizen
Can you post a picture of the pet snake (without the kitten)? Is he a good pet? People post pictures of their dogs and cats and snakes make really good pets too.

One time I had an encounter with a snake. I was helping someone saw down a 5m high gumtree sapling. When I was half way though I happened to look at the top of the tree and a green tree snake was looking about with his head in the sky. He was so cute. After I saw him I didn't chop the tree down. We'll that would be mean because he wouldn't have a home then and he would be doing bungy jumping.

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, June 7, 2007 8:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
PJ

I was afraid you'd post this. I didn't want to get into scientific stuff b/c you'd rather pretend it doesn't matter.

BUT - if there was a planet that came close to earth every few thousand years, don't you think the current orbits would show that disturbance ? There is simply no trace of an unaccounted-for factor either in artifacts like Stonehenge or in modern orbital calculations. Do you really think every culture around the globe has been hiding this over several thousand years? Or do you think a big planet comes by every few thousand years, wreaks havoc, and someone fixes up the orbits afterwards so no one notices?

How do you get past this major fact in order to keep to your beliefs? I'm curious, let me know.

ALSO - the other thing that is scientifically faulty is the presumption that human DNA is different from common chimps, bonobos and gorillas. In order to be able to breed with aliens human DNA would have to be very different. (Unless you're assuming that somehow aliens evolved human-like DNA.) Having sequenced human DNA (the human genome project) nothing unusual has been found. And the more chimp and human DNA is studied and compared, the more and more commonalities are found. People exist on a genetic spectrum and are not unique on the planet.

So if you can explain to me how human DNA shows alien features I'd appreciate it.

FINALLY - I think most people like a touch of the mysterious in their lives. It's a let-down to look around and say - This is all there is. Across the globe you'll find every culture creates some form of myth, in part to give a larger meaning to the everyday. However it's psychologically dangerous to deny reality on your way to myth.

So the third question I have for you is whether you are uncomfortable denying basic reality in order to maintain your beliefs.

The current orbits do show some disturbance, Scientist have said that there has to be some other planet out there , they can tell this by some effect thats happening on planets like Neptune.I'll look up this information and post it later.

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There are scientific observations of a large Kuiper Belt object that has been perturbing the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. A search ensued from about the 1840's to discover an object that could explain this gravitational phenomenon (Planet X). Pluto was dicovered in 1930, but it was concluded that it's gravitational influence was too weak to explain the anomoly. In the 1980s, this search was lead by NASA and some papers have been published and others have been witheld. There are also some scientific and astronomic suggestions that the Earth has a dark twin (Nemesis), a brown dwarf or failed star, whose movement might account for the long period comets that swirl into Earth from the Oort Cloud. If the dark star exists, as a companion to our Sun, then it could be conceivable that a planet may orbit in a ellipse around both of them.

It hasn't gone unnoticed, there have been documented stories throughout history about pole shifts and changes, I'll also post that stuff later

I said simular hominds, the annunakki were already very simular we look like them and the reason they were able gentically engineer us with their dna is because we were already simular, if we had evolved on our own time table we would probably evetually looked simular to them anyway.

you can ignore things like the missing link, look I know it seems like I'm throwing stuff out there but their is alot of science behind this stuff!!

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, June 7, 2007 9:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Reaverman:
PJ,

Let's just say (hypothetically) that PlanetX exists. What are we going to do about it? There is no humanly posible way of altering the orbit of such a supposedly large object, so why, pray tell, are you bothering us about this (again)?

If Planet X is going to destroy the world (or whatever it supposedly does; I'm not exactly clear on that point), why bother worrying about it? You can't stop it. We can't stop it. And you are NOT going to convince anyone, just like none of us have any chance of convincing you that Stitchen is a fraud and/or a fool.

So just drop it. Live your life in fear of imaginary planets if you want. I choose not to.

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

Planet X isn't going to destroy the world. Its orbit is just as natural as our orbit. And its not like this hasn't happened many times before in earth's history.

The havoc that Planet x/ Nibiru's gravitational pull has is varying. There have been stories passed down that claim the sun sets in a diffrent place then what it did before, due in part to pole shifts etc.

but don't think of Planet X as destroying the world far from it as is evidenced that we are still around.

It has nothing to with doing anything about it. you don't have to believe it, but if its true it doesn't matter wether you believe it or not.

If what the sumarians say and stitchen say is true and I belive that it is for the most part, then finally we will have some real answers, thats pretty exciting.

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, June 7, 2007 10:12 AM

Introduction to Current Planet X Theory

The current theory that our solar system has a 10th planet is primarily based on two fundamental points:

1- There is the historical data, brought to light primarily by Zacharia Sitchin, who using historical texts, artifacts, drawings and cylinder seals, propounded the theory that a planet called Nibiru is the 10th planet of the solar system, with an elliptical orbit that only brings it home every 3600 years.

2 - There are scientific observations of a large Kuiper Belt object that has been perturbing the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. A search ensued from about the 1840's to discover an object that could explain this gravitational phenomenon (Planet X). Pluto was dicovered in 1930, but it was concluded that it's gravitational influence was too weak to explain the anomoly. In the 1980s, this search was lead by NASA and some papers have been published and others have been witheld. There are also some scientific and astronomic suggestions that the Earth has a dark twin (Nemesis), a brown dwarf or failed star, whose movement might account for the long period comets that swirl into Earth from the Oort Cloud. If the dark star exists, as a companion to our Sun, then it could be conceivable that a planet may orbit in a ellipse around both of them.

The Sitchin Theory, Nibiru and the Annunaki

The idea that Earth has been visited by aliens at some point in the distant past is not a new one. Erik Von Daniken first touted the theory in his book, The Chariots of the Gods, back in the 1950's. Many people's first introduction to this concept has been via Von Daniken's ideas. While he was widely read, the problem always was that his interpretation of ancient texts and artifacts has always lacked a certain key. Zacharias Sitchin in 1976 provided that key!

Zecharia Sitchin started his research by questioning Biblical tales while still at school in his native Israel. He notes that parts of Genesis (6:4) reads "There were giants in the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bare children unto them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Sitchin went much further examining the old Hebrew texts. He realised that the Hebrew word "Nefilim" was indeeed the name for the giants talked of in the Bible and the "men of renown" were really men of the "shem". More importantly Nefilim in its original Sumerian interpretation literally means "those who came down to earth from heaven".

Sitchin goes on to claim that the Earth was visited by aliens as far back as 450,000 years ago. These aliens came from another unknown planet of the solar system that the ancients called called Nibiru. He claims that these aliens were seeking to save their atmosphere from serious degradation and for this they needed extremely finely powdered gold. This gold dust was then pumped into the atmosphere in an effort to resolve the problems associated with heat retention when their planet was in the aphelion region of its long looping orbit around the sun. Gold was, of course, relatively plentiful on Earth and is even used today by NASA because of its unique properties.

Sitchin applied his understanding of ancient Biblical stories to studies of ancient (even older) writing from Sumeria and Mesapotamia, reaching the general conclusion that the Nefilim (Gods and Sons of God) used advanced genetic engineering to create humans from a combination of Nefilim genes and those of a compatible pre-human evolved species. The result was basically us, initially created to mine gold for the Nefilim but later with the capacity to understand commands, speak and procreate!

Author Lloyd Pye confirms and expands on Zecharia Sitchin's interpretations. A short video clip of Lloyd Pye on the channel 13 news can be viewed here: http://www.planetxvideo.com/lloyd.htm

Zecharia Sitchin studied many ancient civilizations and concluded that the Gods worshipped by all of them were really ancient space travellers with a superb knowledge of advanced tech

REAVERMAN

Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:

The current orbits do show some disturbance, Scientist have said that there has to be some other planet out there , they can tell this by some effect thats happening on planets like Neptune.I'll look up this information and post it later.

"Scientists" have said so? By scientists, do you mean scientists or Stitchen's lackeys?

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It hasn't gone unnoticed, there have been documented stories throughout history about pole shifts and changes, I'll also post that stuff later

There have not been documented stories (at least ones not faked) of pole shifts. Pole shifts happen roughly every twenty-five thousand years (the only records of them are shown by the geological record, and the last one happened before humans learned to record things. Plus, even if they could have written about these things, how would they know that there was even such a thing as magnetic poles, much less how to tell if they changed?), and they are caused not by rogue planets, but by the natural cycles that occur within the Earth's mantle and core.

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I said simular hominds, the annunakki were already very simular we look like them and the reason they were able gentically engineer us with their dna is because we were already simular, if we had evolved on our own time table we would probably evetually looked simular to them anyway.

You don't seem to understand that the odds of two species from different worlds, out of all the planets in the entire universe (much less in one system) evolving to be even remotely genetically similar are beyond astronomical. It is as close to impossible without actually being impossible as imaginable.

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you can ignore things like the missing link, look I know it seems like I'm throwing stuff out there but their is alot of science behind this stuff!!

Really... Where have they been hiding this "science"?

PJ, having an open mind can be a great thing, but having TOO open of a mind just makes all your brains fall out...

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, June 7, 2007 6:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
2 - There are scientific observations of a large Kuiper Belt object that has been perturbing the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. A search ensued from about the 1840's to discover an object that could explain this gravitational phenomenon (Planet X). Pluto was dicovered in 1930, but it was concluded that it's gravitational influence was too weak to explain the anomoly.

Then after Pluto was discovered, the Voyager flyby provided more accurate readings of the orbits which eliminated the anomaly, and real scientists stopped looking for the tenth planet since there was no reason to suspect that there was one.

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, June 8, 2007 3:55 AM

I mean scientist Stitchen doesn't have lackeys

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, June 8, 2007 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Reaverman:
Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:

The current orbits do show some disturbance, Scientist have said that there has to be some other planet out there , they can tell this by some effect thats happening on planets like Neptune.I'll look up this information and post it later.

"Scientists" have said so? By scientists, do you mean scientists or Stitchen's lackeys?

Quote:
It hasn't gone unnoticed, there have been documented stories throughout history about pole shifts and changes, I'll also post that stuff later

There have not been documented stories (at least ones not faked) of pole shifts. Pole shifts happen roughly every twenty-five thousand years (the only records of them are shown by the geological record, and the last one happened before humans learned to record things. Plus, even if they could have written about these things, how would they know that there was even such a thing as magnetic poles, much less how to tell if they changed?), and they are caused not by rogue planets, but by the natural cycles that occur within the Earth's mantle and core.

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I said simular hominds, the annunakki were already very simular we look like them and the reason they were able gentically engineer us with their dna is because we were already simular, if we had evolved on our own time table we would probably evetually looked simular to them anyway.

You don't seem to understand that the odds of two species from different worlds, out of all the planets in the entire universe (much less in one system) evolving to be even remotely genetically similar are beyond astronomical. It is as close to impossible without actually being impossible as imaginable.

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you can ignore things like the missing link, look I know it seems like I'm throwing stuff out there but their is alot of science behind this stuff!!

Really... Where have they been hiding this "science"?

PJ, having an open mind can be a great thing, but having TOO open of a mind just makes all your brains fall out...

[img] [/img]

"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

There are alot of things that human beings don't know, its only been in the last 100 + years that we've made some huge technological strides.

The sumerians by way of the annunakki had all kinds of technology, some of which there are remanents left to this day.

maybe you should stop presuming to think that we know so much when in reality we know very little.

RUE

Friday, June 8, 2007 4:38 AM

PJ,

Am I wrong in presuming you've learned all your science from Stitchen?

Do you realize he's not a reliable source for scientific facts? For example, you seem to think that the earth reversing its polarity has something to do with its orbit (it doesn't). You also don't seem to realize that once you perturb the earth's orbit it stays perturbed (but the earth's orbit is completely unperturbed).

Do you have any interest in scientific facts?

OLDENGLANDDRY

Friday, June 8, 2007 6:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:

I mean scientist Stitchen doesn't have lackeys

Please name some of these scientisits so we can follow up on the lead.

REAVERMAN

Friday, June 8, 2007 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
There are alot of things that human beings don't know, its only been in the last 100 + years that we've made some huge technological strides.

That's true. But in the last "100 +" years, one of the things we've learned to do is to tell if there really is this mysterious Planet X. And there isn't. At least, there isn't a Planet X outside the whimsical musings of Stitchen's True Believers.

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The sumerians by way of the annunakki had all kinds of technology, some of which there are remanents left to this day.

Really? Where is all that technology? Where is the five thousand year old Sumerian microwave oven? Where are the Sumerian railroad networks? Where are the Sumerian Oldsmobiles?

Unless you can come up with an achaeological source (one NOT connected to Stitchen) that can confirm these things, don't say them.

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maybe you should stop presuming to think that we know so much when in reality we know very little.

Maybe you should stop presuming to think that the Scientific community knows so little, when in fact they know so much more than you. Trust me; there's a reason real scientists shun Stitchen and his fanatics.

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"I refuse to submit,
To the god you say is kind.
I know what's right, and it is time,
It's time to fight, and free our minds!

Our spirits were forged in snow and ice,
To bend like steel forged over fire.
We were not made to bend like reed,
Or to turn the other cheek!"

- from the song "Thousand Years of Opression" by Amon Amarth

BASTRA

Saturday, November 7, 2009 5:02 PM

The Sumerian's, by their own records stone tablets and seals, knew about 10 planets. Look at the tablet where Enlil gives the plow to mankind on the upper left you see a model of our solar system. Furthermore they knew their proportion/size & orbits in relation to what IS now. What else is remarkable? The Sumerians name the planets that we only started rediscovering 6 centuries ago. Just how did they know what color the planets were that they couldn't see with the naked eye with their technology of the time? They must have had technology that we do not have even today. All the evidence in various ruins point to 'those who from heaven came' to help the beats/neanderthals at the time.

BASTRA

Saturday, November 7, 2009 5:18 PM

And scientists dismiss the obvious facts because they will be laughed at and discredited.It wasn't too long ago that Galileo was put under house arrest for claming that the Earth orbits the sun. The Sumerians knew long before he did because they were taught by the Anunnaki. They say as much don't they? Do you know that the Sumerians were educated by the Anunnaki because they did not have the technology to make the electrochemical Baghdad Battery dating from at least 2000 years ago. It was rediscovered not discovered in 1800 by Alessandro Volta.

REAVERMAN

Sunday, November 8, 2009 10:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bastra:
The Sumerian's, by their own records stone tablets and seals, knew about 10 planets. Look at the tablet where Enlil gives the plow to mankind on the upper left you see a model of our solar system. Furthermore they knew their proportion/size & orbits in relation to what IS now. What else is remarkable? The Sumerians name the planets that we only started rediscovering 6 centuries ago. Just how did they know what color the planets were that they couldn't see with the naked eye with their technology of the time? They must have had technology that we do not have even today. All the evidence in various ruins point to 'those who from heaven came' to help the beats/neanderthals at the time.

It's been more than two years and you want to pick this up again? Okay then, I'm game. I'll re-iterate what I said in 2007: Where is all this fantastical technology that they supposedly posessed?

Advanced tech doesn't just vanish. There would have been mounds of evidence left over. Yet, all we have of the Sumerians comes from stone ruins and histories recorded on stone tablets. If they were so advanced, you'd think they would come up with a better method of recording and communicating information.

Quote:
Originally posted by Bastra:
And scientists dismiss the obvious facts because they will be laughed at and discredited. It wasn't too long ago that Galileo was put under house arrest for claming that the Earth orbits the sun.

Just a nitpick here: Galileo was imprisoned, not because of his theories, which the church was open to, but for trying to pressure the Pope into publicly endorsing those theories immediately. The church wanted to get independent confirmation first, lest their "infallible" Pontiff endorse a falsehood, making him look, well, fallible.

As for scientists rejecting the Planet X "theory" out of fear, well, I call bullshit. Scientists, and I mean real, qualified scientists, not BS pseudoscientists like Stitchen, operate on the basis of solid, tangible evidence. Stitchen's "theory" has none.

Oh there's plenty of evidence of the "well, if you squint, you can see it" variety in favor of the Planet X myth, but it's all circumstantial, at best, and it all has multiple possible interpretations.

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The Sumerians knew long before he did because they were taught by the Anunnaki. They say as much don't they?

So, because they say so, it must be true? Because the say it's true, there's no possible way they could have, I don't know, made it up? That's some pretty tortured logic there, believing ancient stone writing becuase it says so, and disbelieving scientists, whose entire job is sussing out fact from fiction because, well the ancient Sumerians told you so. You do realize how ridiculous you sound, right?

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Do you know that the Sumerians were educated by the Anunnaki because they did not have the technology to make the electrochemical Baghdad Battery dating from at least 2000 years ago. It was rediscovered not discovered in 1800 by Alessandro Volta.

Umm, yes, they obviously did have the technology to create it. Pottery and the shaping of copper aren't exactly rocket science. You know what they used the battery for, according to the evidence? They used it as a charger for ritual electromagnets used as a parlor trick by ancient priests to show off how, with the power of "the gods", they could move things without touching them.

They never even imagined the potential applications, becuase they didn't have the prerequisites for the prerequisites of the most distant ancestor of electrical machinery. And if they were so much more advanced than us, then why is the "Baghdad Battery" so utterly pathetic in output compared to a modern AA battery, yet several dozen times the size?

The ancient battery was a fluke of technology. Like the ancient steam engine that the Greeks never quite figured out how to make useful, it's a curiosity that someone figured out on accident millenia before

KWICKO

Sunday, November 8, 2009 11:41 PM

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...lest their "infallible" Pontiff endorse a falsehood, making him look, well, fallible.

I thought the whole "popes-dying" thing made 'em look at least a LITTLE bit fallible...

REAVERMAN

Monday, November 9, 2009 3:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I thought the whole "popes-dying" thing made 'em look at least a LITTLE bit fallible...

You'd think so, wouldn't you? Plus theres the fact that different Popes keep changing the rules of their predecessors, which, to me would indicate that either God is severely schizophrenic, or that they really are just a bunch of old dudes with a bad case of Unwarranted Self-Importance. Catholics always seem to find nifty ways of ignoring those inconsistencies though.

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"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?"

-Epicurus

KWICKO

Monday, November 9, 2009 6:38 PM

Seems to me that if there were a "phantom planet" orbiting our sun, and it was big enough to have as profound an effect on our planet as global warming is poised to have, it seems like we MIGHT have found said planet. I mean, we can detect planets orbiting distant stars, and those planets don't even have to be gas giants anymore - we're finding smaller, rocky Earth-like" planets now, around OTHER stars. I'm guessing we'd have found another such planet orbiting our very own local star.

Especially with all that Anunnaki science to help us, and all their great maps and stuff. ;)

Mike

Let the wild rumpus start!