Unpopular Opinions

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LEXAN

Friday, June 22, 2007 3:04 AM

Do you think cancelling Firefly was a good idea? Was 'Heart of Gold' your favourite episode? Do you think River is perfectly sane? Did you find the character of Kaylee to be kinda sucky? Any other unpopular Firefly opinions?

Then please list them here.

Firstly, the last two opinions I stated up there were two relating to mine. River, although not perfectly sane, actually doesn't say anything that isn't pure truth. Moreso than anyone else on the show. She only says that which is relevant to what is going on or what is about to happen by most can't interpret what she is saying because they're just not smart enough. Even the actors on the show don't understand it... Most of dialogue is brilliant and taken to another level by Summer Glau's excellent acting ability...

And then there's probably the opinion that is so unpopular that it is likely I'm the only person on the board, or the internet who has it. I've always found Kaylee to be exceptionally annoying, probably the worst regular cast member of any of Joss' shows... I was honestly disappointed she didn't die in the movie...

Okay... They're the main ones. I'll probably be able to think of more later...

EDIT: Not sure how all the threads came up... Can they be removed?

LEADB

Friday, June 22, 2007 3:14 AM

First, I'm having a -really- hard time deciding which thread to post this in....

No, I have no unpopular firefly opinions.

I have many unpopular opinions, but they tend toward religion and politics ;-)

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SAMEERTIA

Friday, June 22, 2007 3:26 AM

Yes.
I have one very unpopular opinion.
I really think that at some point during the show, Wash & Simon should have kissed.

I'm sure if we'd gotten three or four more seasons, they would have gotten around to it, alas it was not meant to be.

Yes.
That's a joke.
No. Seriously. I am joking.

Is there a reason why this thread was started five times?

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 3:55 AM

YesIthinkKayleeisocasionallyirritatingandwhinyandkindofahornyschoolgirltypewhowouldgoafteranymanprettyandintriguingenough
andthatJewelhadwaymoreoffdaysthantherestofthecastwhichmadethewhinyworseandthecharacterlessbelievable

Don't hurt me

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ROMANCEGURU

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:04 AM

Depends where you post. But my unpopular opinion here would be that I’m a firm believer that Jayne and River would make one hot/fun/crazy/sexy/deadly couple.

I like to think everyone’s entitled to his or her opinion with out getting flamed even if it isn’t among the general consensus.

Oh, and I think Kaylee's a little overrated, but I wouldn't wish death on any of the characters.

STARRBABY

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:06 AM

I don't know how "unpopular" this opinion is, but I know not everyone agrees with me. I think one of the main reasons Jayne dislikes Simon is because he fancies Kaylee.

I also *don't* want Mal and Inara to get together . . .ever. The tension between them is too awsome to break. I think if the series continued, and Mal and Inara got thier acts together, that would have been the equivalant of jumping the shark. It would have been down hill ever since.

Oh, and another one . . .I think it would have been a horrible idea for Zoe and Wash to have kids. Not that they wouldn't have made great parents - I just don't think a smuggling ship is the best place for young'uns. Too many stray bullets, reavers, violent feds, etc.

Okay, I'll hush up now.

LEXAN

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Romanceguru:
Oh, and I think Kaylee's a little overrated, but I wouldn't wish death on any of the characters.

Fair enough...

I didn't really wish death upon her, but I knew someone was bound to die and I would have preferred that person, or one of those people, to have been her...

CAUSAL

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:20 AM

My unpopular Firefly opinions:

Jayne is a bad guy. Lovable, yes. Funny, yes. Great character, yes. But by the end of the second season, he would have turned on them. He wears hats people!

And the really unpopular opinion: The Message is the last episode of the series. Numbered last, filmed last, last in series continuity, but not aired last, and hence not the final note that Joss selected for Firefly's swan song. But in the world of the 'verse, last. So I watch it last, after OiS. I like it better that way, because it ends on a such a downer (also because it was supposed to come after OiS! ).

Now, where did I put that flame-retardant jumpsuit...

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:25 AM

I have one.

The BDM is the textbook definition of "shitty movie".

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REGINAROADIE

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:27 AM

I'm moving this post from the hijacked kitty thread to the real thread. Thanks for the heads up, Starrbaby. How far along are you now?

The one big unpopular opinion I have about the show also involves River, but it's about the character in general.

Everyone here loves River so much. And Joss revolved the movie a lot around her and it's fit into his theme of ass kicking girls and all that. But personally, I didn't find her to be that interesting of a character. If anything, she's really boring. All she does is just stand in a corner, babble inconsistently and act erratic. She doesn't do ANYTHING. And to make matters worse, everyone makes a big deal out of her. The Alliance wants her, Simon sacrifices everything in his life for her, and the crew by the movie is ready to topple an entire government for her. Everyone's making decisions for her, which character-wise is just wrong. A character who makes no decisions for herself and is just moved around by others is a boring character. That's why I loved it when she shot Niska's men down in "War Stories", or toyed with Early in "Objects in Space" and retrieved Simon's medkit and slaughtered the Reavers in SERENITY. It's the only time in the entire franchise that SHE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING OF HER OWN VOLITION.

And yet, everyone is "I love River. She kicks ass." To tell you the truth, I actually like Summer more in THE 4400, because she's an assertive character, and actually speaks in coherent sentences. When she makes up her own damn mind and speaks in coherent sentences in the sequel, THEN I'll give her more credit.

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PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
My unpopular Firefly opinions:

Jayne is a bad guy. Lovable, yes. Funny, yes. Great character, yes. But by the end of the second season, he would have turned on them. He wears hats people!

And the really unpopular opinion: The Message is the last episode of the series. Numbered last, filmed last, last in series continuity, but not aired last, and hence not the final note that Joss selected for Firefly's swan song. But in the world of the 'verse, last. So I watch it last, after OiS. I like it better that way, because it ends on a such a downer (also because it was supposed to come after Ois! ).

I agree with you, actually.

Trash was also supposed to come after Objects in Space. I just found that out a little while ago. I think it's in the Volume Two Official Companion interview.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:04 AM

Ok, I don't have any unpopular opinions, I'm too afraid of conflict.

But, I'm intrigued about watching the eps in this order to see what I think about this idea now.

Hmmmm, different maybe is good.....

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REDHEAD

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:28 AM

Oooh everyone is so brave! Do you all feel better for getting that off your chests? (Strokes chin thoughtfully)

Seriously though, I couldn't stand the River and the Reaver scene in Serenity. She's drug backwards through the doorway by her feet. I'm a black belt and with that many (20 something?) Reavers there is no way she gets up. AND then the Damn door opens while she is standing there (looking very cool, I'll give you that). AND who the heck opened the door? It's only supposed to open from the outside and River's hands are full. What she does Telekinesis, too?

My vote is River should have died! And don't get me wrong, I think Summer is an awesome actress and I loved the fragile girl coming to life in the series but I loved the series BECAUSE it was about people. I didn't want Super girl.

There I have Jayne to protect me (or at least one of the Ninja Turtles) so no one can flame me too bad!

http://www.newsoftheverse.net/ We search the 'Verse so you don't have to.

CAILIEG

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:10 AM

My unpopular firefly opinion is about the BDM, I dislike the change to Simon Tam, he is a wuss, he never shot anyone, flinches in a fight and suddenly hes a one man Rambo assault team to break his sister out of a place we were told she was "carefully smuggled out of".

Didn't like the intro to the BDM because of this. Its so NOT Simon.

I too disliked the River battle scene but for different reasons after the initial attack. I too study martial arts and have for a long time and no way 20+ people you'd get out of that unless, you are Super Girl in a 'verse that don't have super heroes.

On the Kaylee thing I love Kaylee, love River and I am of the mindset River had a leaky brainpan, 'taint nothin in the Verse that can change that. (these are both not my own unpopular opinions but replies to previous unpopular opinions, apprently that was not crystal clear)

Oh and Jayne IS a bad guy, but he's a bad guy loyal to Mal and only to Mal. He betrayed Mal once and learned the hard way, I doubt he would do it again. though I 'spose he'd have to to keep the tensions up.

Alexis
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edited- to clarify that my statement about River's mind is not an unpopular opinion but a response to someone else's unpopular opinion.

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JOLLY

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:13 AM

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Seriously though, I couldn't stand the River and the Reaver scene in Serenity. She's drug backwards through the doorway by her feet. I'm a black belt and with that many (20 something?) Reavers there is no way she gets up. AND then the Damn door opens while she is standing there (looking very cool, I'll give you that). AND who the heck opened the door? It's only supposed to open from the outside and River's hands are full. What she does Telekinesis, too?

My vote is River should have died! And don't get me wrong, I think Summer is an awesome actress and I loved the fragile girl coming to life in the series but I loved the series BECAUSE it was about people. I didn't want Super girl.

Totally agree with this one...

I also found The Message to be an incredibly weak episode. It's the one episode I've never been able to watch twice.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cailieg:
I dislike the change to Simon Tam....

I too disliked the River battle scene....

2 very good points. 2 of the many many many flaws that are a disgrace to the best TV show ever made.

I'm thinking that next year's Get Smart movie will do the TV show much more justice than the BDM did to Firefly, based just off the fact that it's starring Steve Carell.

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REGINAROADIE

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:43 AM

Actually, the change in Simon from the series to the BDM was one of the things I LOVED in the movie. Mainly because Simon was the one character I identified with the most in the series. I saw myself in him. And so when you see yourself become a punching bag, it's a bit disheartening.

So seeing him be more assertive and actually push back when he's pushed was a great turn, IMHO. Simon doesn't get enough credit, I feel.

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LEXAN

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cailieg:

I too disliked the River battle scene but for different reasons after the initial attack. I too study martial arts and have for a long time and no way 20+ people you'd get out of that unless, you are Super Girl in a 'verse that don't have super heroes.

On the Kaylee thing I love Kaylee, love River and I am of the mindset River had a leaky brainpan, 'taint nothin in the Verse that can change that.

River pretty much is the 'Super Girl' of the 'verse, in which it is not clarified as to whether super heroes reside or not. But the whole point of that scene is that it is totally unrealistic and that River is supposed to be an exceptional fighter. River is sort of the exception in the 'verse, in that she doesn't seem to belong, and this is what makes her vital to the show.

The second comment isn't an unpopular opinion and I find that very annoying. It's probably what I feel most strongly on the show. River doesn't have a 'leaky brainpan' as such, but she does have a chaotic mind. None of the information of which River has ever conceived is not in her mind, and she knows that. Her 'lack of coherence' stems more from lack of conventionality than insanity. To me, this is possibly the biggest misconception of Firefly. Yeah, there ain't nothin in the verse that can change River's leaky brainban because simply it doesn't exist.

ReginaRoadie- Your views on River are so different to mine that they had no effect on me any way, so I decided not to argue...

CAILIEG

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:57 AM

Yes we all know that the sun goes down and chaoses come again, melting, leaking who am I. I am sorry but I have to call that the babbling of a traumatized person with a, to quote Dr Mattius "fractured reality matrix", or someone who is slightly mental through damage to the brain and severe trauma.

Please don't make it a personal attack directed at me, you misread the intention of my statement. I was replying to someone who shared your unpopular opinion.

I was not stating an unpopular one of my own in that instance.

Alexis
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LEXAN

Friday, June 22, 2007 7:00 AM

I was talking about the opinion in general. I wasn't really directing it at you in any way, it didn't really matter that you weren't the first person to state it in the thread.

PSYCHOTIC

Friday, June 22, 2007 8:29 AM

Is Heart of Gold really that unpopular? Mal/Inara is my favorite ship in the series and seeing the tension between them is awesome. There's so much that they say to each other without saying words.

And you gotta love the baby dummy that Rance carried. Priceless!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 22, 2007 10:37 AM

Yeah.... Mal/Inara are like "Moonlighting" in space.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 22, 2007 10:54 AM

My unpopular opinion is that I suspect Mal was in love with Zoe.... But given the shows cancellation it never developed...

*Shrugs* Who knows.....

I like to think it wouldn't have come to that, but given Joss' history with characters interacting over a long time, chances are it would have moved to that.

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LEXAN

Friday, June 22, 2007 11:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by psychotic:
Is Heart of Gold really that unpopular? Mal/Inara is my favorite ship in the series and seeing the tension between them is awesome. There's so much that they say to each other without saying words.

And you gotta love the baby dummy that Rance carried. Priceless!

No, it's not that unpopular, but it is, in my exerience and according to the episode reviews here, the least liked and lowest rating Firefly episode. Firefly has pretty much no bad episodes, just episodes some people think are inferior.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 12:37 PM

I love Heart of Gold.
I kind of love it for maybe unpopular reasons, though.
Actually, another unpopular opinion I might have is that Inara bugs the hell out of me. I never bought the chemistry between Mal and Inara, for one thing, but even if I did I don't like the way they interact. They both act like spineless, brainless juvenilles in the context of their 'relationship', even more so than Simon and Kaylee, who are younger than them! It's irritating as hell, really. And I think the way their relationship would have played out over five or seven years would have been equally irritating. They would have eventually stopped dancing around, said "oh yeah, we really do have something" been completely blissed out for about a week, and then it would all fall apart because Mal would get pissy about Inara's job again, and it would get even more stupid. She would probably leave again, Mal would get all cranky at everyone and act like a sulky, angry teenager, and it all would have been just ridiculous.
Neither of them are teenagers!
But they both act like it in relation to each other, and sometimes that spills over and affects other people!
It's annoying!
I understand that some people find teen angst to be dramatic and entertaining, but I'm not one of them, esspecially when the teen angst is coming from a 20-something and a 30-something. Seriously.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, June 22, 2007 1:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Everyone here loves River so much. And Joss revolved the movie a lot around her and it's fit into his theme of ass kicking girls and all that. But personally, I didn't find her to be that interesting of a character. If anything, she's really boring. All she does is just stand in a corner, babble inconsistently and act erratic. She doesn't do ANYTHING. And to make matters worse, everyone makes a big deal out of her. The Alliance wants her, Simon sacrifices everything in his life for her, and the crew by the movie is ready to topple an entire government for her. Everyone's making decisions for her, which character-wise is just wrong. A character who makes no decisions for herself and is just moved around by others is a boring character. That's why I loved it when she shot Niska's men down in "War Stories", or toyed with Early in "Objects in Space" and retrieved Simon's medkit and slaughtered the Reavers in SERENITY. It's the only time in the entire franchise that SHE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING OF HER OWN VOLITION.

I agree but I didn’t even like her reaver attacking in Serenity. It was just stupid. A 90 lb girl can’t deliver that kind of energy; I don’t care how kungfu she is. It turned the show from a matter-of-fact futuristic space opera into another supernatural superheroine show. Now it’s not that I don’t like the supernatural superheroine shows, but it’s not Firefly, and I think it was a little cheap to introduce that.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 22, 2007 1:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I love Heart of Gold.
I kind of love it for maybe unpopular reasons, though.
Actually, another unpopular opinion I might have is that Inara bugs the hell out of me. I never bought the chemistry between Mal and Inara, for one thing, but even if I did I don't like the way they interact. They both act like spineless, brainless juvenilles in the context of their 'relationship', even more so than Simon and Kaylee, who are younger than them! It's irritating as hell, really. And I think the way their relationship would have played out over five or seven years would have been equally irritating. They would have eventually stopped dancing around, said "oh yeah, we really do have something" been completely blissed out for about a week, and then it would all fall apart because Mal would get pissy about Inara's job again, and it would get even more stupid. She would probably leave again, Mal would get all cranky at everyone and act like a sulky, angry teenager, and it all would have been just ridiculous.
Neither of them are teenagers!
But they both act like it in relation to each other, and sometimes that spills over and affects other people!
It's annoying!
I understand that some people find teen angst to be dramatic and entertaining, but I'm not one of them, esspecially when the teen angst is coming from a 20-something and a 30-something. Seriously.
/B]

It's interesting how teens are singled out for their immaturity over relationships. Yet the most pathetic breakups I've witnessed have been from friends in their 30s, 40s plus. Anyway regardless I think you're right. I too could not have taken watching another relationship build-up only to see it crumble away again...

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STARRBABY

Friday, June 22, 2007 2:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
How far along are you now?

I've got about 8 more weeks. You'd think I would learn not to be in my last trimester durring the summer.

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 2:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
It's interesting how teens are singled out for their immaturity over relationships...

Sorry. Wasn't that long ago that I was one myself, and that pussyfooting around, stubborn, terrified approach to relationships was a major theme. I got sick of it and just stopped doing it and was all the better for it in a lot of ways. So I kind of look at that and go "That's how I related to other teenagers when I was a teenager and it was pathetic!" My own personal bias. (still might not have had the most mature break-up ever, but I've always found losing something I've had a lot harder than losing a potential, so it's just more... Well, anyway. Breaking up is hard. I hope if it happens again in middle age I won't be pathetic about it, but... I'll stop talking about myself now.) Also, adults are supposed to be more adult, whereas teenagers are kind of expected to go through a stupid phase. Some people never get out of that phase, but it's considered to be very immature. Mal and Inara can show a great deal of maturity... when they aren't dealing with each other. So I guess that's what annoys me.

*edit* Oh! Just thought of another one I have. I don't think Simon and Kaylee are soulmates who would have fallen madly in love, gotten married, and stayed together (until one of them died). In fact, I would have felt absolutely sick if it went that way. At this point it would almost feel like trying to replace the lovely married couple we had in Wash and Zoe, but even without the whole death thing, it would have felt wrong, because Kaylee is kind of overly sensitive and Simon often puts his foot in his mouth, and I just don't think it would have gone smooth. And I don't think Joss and Co. would have passed up the dramatic possibilities of the impending impolsion. Kaylee is the baby of the ship, the little sister, the senior member of the crew, and the indispensible mechanic. Simon is an incredible medic and it would be foolish to kick him off the crew were there conflict, even if he hasn't been there as long. I think he would face a lot of glares and drama, even if it were Kaylee who ended it, and from a storytelling perspective that's just far more interesting than domestic bliss, marriage and babies. Also, when it comes to those two, I think it's more realistic. I remember having quite the argument about it not that long ago.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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ECGORDON

Friday, June 22, 2007 4:53 PM

One of the opinions I have guardedly mentioned in the past is quite possibly one of the most unpopular a Browncoat could ever hold.

I think that FOX thought they were doing the right thing by scrambling the episode order.

Wait, no flaming please, hear me out. I am not saying that I think they were doing the right thing, but that they thought they were doing the right thing. First, they wanted a one-hour pilot so they could premiere Firefly and John Doe on the same night. FOX still only programs two hours in prime time, so if they had run "Serenity" the pilot, they would have had to delay the premiere of John Doe a week. Running "Serenity" as a two-parter would have made the most sense to us Browncoats, but at that time there weren't any Browncoats, and FOX felt the first half of "Serenity" was too slow, so they commissioned another pilot with more action.

When the ratings for "The Train Job" and "Bushwhacked" were not what they had hoped, they moved "Our Mrs. Reynolds" up to the third spot because they felt the appearance of the dead-sexy Saffron would attract more of the male audience they thought the show was going to appeal to in the first place.

I'm just saying.

ARCADIA

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
I don't think Simon and Kaylee are soulmates who would have fallen madly in love, gotten married, and stayed together (until one of them died).

Me neither. I think Simon might have had it right in the message - there was no one else around who was the right age, intellegence, physical attractiveness... they are literally the only boy and girl in the world. It might be sweet for a while, but ultimately I doubt it would last. On a related note, sometimes Kaylee's oversensativeness just makes me want to slap her in the face. We get it. Simon doesn't alway word things well. But, jesus Kaylee, you know what he meant so stop running to Inara like an offended twelve year old. If its that big of a deal, talk about it. *sigh*

I think Inara was one of the most interesting and complex characters on the show, undoubtably my favorite. It seems to me that there is a tendency within the fan community to view her as someone who knows nothing about love, and once she can acknowledge she loves Mal then she will quit her job and they can go have babies omg! Doubt that would have ever happened. I doubt (and when I say doubt, I mean hope and pray) that she would ever quit her job, even for Mal. I think Inara genuinely likes her job. I think, for the most part, her clients are not like Atherton Wing, do not treat her like property or a whore. Because she isn't a whore, and thats what makes her so interesting. Well, one of the things.

I don't care so much what Book's secret was (though I assume it involved the alliance military in some way). I mean, its nice that he has it and can use it to keep Serenity from getting trapped in nets and taken advantage of my corrupt cops, but for me, the fact that he was a preacher on a ship of criminals made him interesting enough. I think the way they resolved things in the movie was great. Now, I'll never know what the secret is and thats fine with me.

Arcadia (aka Greyfable and/or Katie)
www.stillflying.net -- picking up Firefly were Joss left off. We will hold 'til he gets back.

CHRISISALL

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:10 PM

My unpopular opinion is that Faux, in canceling Firefly, unwittingly made the supremely excellent motion picture Serenity, a possibility. And for that alone, I applaud their stupidity.

How's that? Chrisisall

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Arcadia:
once she can acknowledge she loves Mal then she will quit her job and they can go have babies omg!

Yeah, that's just as unrealistic as having that fairy tale with Simon and Kaylee. Firefly isn't really a fairy tale kind of place. Wash and Zoe didn't have hundreds of fat children (and, Joss willing, never would have) because it would have been a mistake, both for the story and for keeping the show kind of gritty and real. For the same reasons, none of the other potential couples should have children either. Wash and Zoe had a real marriage with real issues and real concerns. It's a real show. You don't fall in love and get married and have babies (omg!) on a smuggling ship. Wash was right, it isn't smart. The odds of even non-combatant little Kaylee getting thrown around and having a miscarriage is kinda high. And if the pregnancy did go smooth, the odds the newborn being in danger would also be high. And once the kid started crawling around with all the sharp metal and steep drops in the ship? Lord, any parents would be in a constant state of panic trying to raise a child that way, and unable to focus on their jobs aboard the ship.
Anyway, got off the subject there. Yes, I think Inara liked her job, liked the status and power and money and lovers and being learned, and that she wouldn't give it up to be essentially a kept woman. I mean she got her hands dirty a couple times, but she's not a criminal; she's just not really built for it. She can fire a little gun or bolt thrower (bow and arrow originally) but in constant combat I don't think she could hold her own. And she's smart, but she's not criminally minded, and every scam she ran hinged on her being a Companion (or seeming non-threatening, in Trash) so what would happen if she wasn't one anymore? Or couldn't seem non-threatening? It just wouldn't be that feasible.
Well, I'm kind of ranting, so I should go do something else for a bit.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

ORPHEUS

Friday, June 22, 2007 5:52 PM

My unpopular opinion? You really want it? Alright...

My unpopular opinion: The BDM has too many jokes. It's too funny. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the humor (most of it anyway), but the first half of the film feels like they're trying to shoehorn as much of the show's humor as possible. From the time we meet Mal to the moment Simon starts arguing with him, it's quip-joke-quip-quip-turbulence-gag-joke-Simon. It's always felt like too much to me. I get that Joss had to draw in newcomers and satiate fans at the same time, but I think he overdid the humor.

As much as I hate to say it, the movie doesn't really become "Serenity" to me until Book shuffles loose the mortal coil. Until then, it was just "Firefly: The Movie".

Start the thrashing now.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Some people never get out of that phase, but it's considered to be very immature. Mal and Inara can show a great deal of maturity... when they aren't dealing with each other. So I guess that's what annoys me.

Maybe it is the romantic in me (for which I've payed the price I must admit) but I kind of regard the awkwardness that happens to two people when they fall in love as just part of the whole endeavour. Some become gibbering idiots (Somnambulist take a bow) others employ cool calculating predatory charges, many fall silent and succumb to feverish poetry, and others just become so confussed they argue with each other etc....

Mal and Inara I like to think, though both tough and perceptive are not entirely immune to the very human frailties, such as love.

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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:05 PM

Oops double post!

Must do the double post dance: a slide to the left a slide to the right, followed by a moonwalk off stage... tarah!

GORRAMSPACETRASH

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:09 PM

A small quibble, but I really think there's a tendacy to react slightly over-the-top to some of the developments in fan fiction (such as River\Jayne, or Mal\Zoe maybe) - and particularly if the characters can develop to a degree far removed from the series and movie. If your familiar with Joss' writing in Buffy or Angel, you'd be aware that some, (though not all), of his characters tend to become so far removed from their original conceptualization over the years after a multi-season series.

-- Gerry Shannon

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, June 22, 2007 6:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Some become gibbering idiots (Somnambulist take a bow) others employ cool calculating predatory charges, many fall silent and succumb to feverish poetry, and others just become so confussed they argue with each other etc....

And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?

There is nothing hard about that. Nothing at all, and I won the heart of my main squeeze in just such a manner, only with more words, a lilt of desperation, buckets of sweat, a strange rhythm that eminated from my knocking knees and the requisite killer pair of shoes.

Thing is though for narrative interest on a show you have to deal more with the emotion behind it than the practical intent.

Of course you are absolutely right about the direct approach for real, I agree, but it doesn't translate as that interesting for TV.

Mal: Hey Inara, you look kinda cute in skirts.
Inara: Why Mal I had no idea you thought of me that way.
Mal: Oh wasn't thinking as such, more reacting. Mal like women.
Inara: Why Mal you make me blush. What of the crew they would surely object?
Mal: No, why? They knows we are meant to be together. Now where'd the Shepherd go? I believe it's time he pulled his weight around here and wed us already.

Cut to: Montage of Wedding.

Cut to: End Credits

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
My unpopular opinion is that Faux, in canceling Firefly, unwittingly made the supremely excellent motion picture Serenity, a possibility. And for that alone, I applaud their stupidity.

How's that? Chrisisall

LOL... I must humbly disagree with your assessment of the quality of the BDM.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?

Step into a guys shoes for a little while and you'll have your answer.

What does a man have to do to walk into a room and have every woman in the place want to be with him? He's got to be rich and powerful or influential and definately have a lot of money.

What does a woman have to do to walk into a room and have every man in the room want to be with her? I don't know..... her hair?

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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What does a man have to do to walk into a room and have every woman in the place want to be with him? He's got to be rich and powerful or influential and definately have a lot of money.

Try "not being a chauvinistic asshole".
Or maybe talking to a woman before you say "Hey, I like you, we should run away together." instead of expecting to walk into a room and be fawned over. I don't walk up to random people and say "I dig you." but if I get a few conversations going and smile a lot and get smiled at a lot, then I say "Hey, I dig you."
Really. Not. Hard.
Sure, I'm a little nervous about it, but better to know right up front than torture yourself.
And funny enough, I've never gone for a single high-powered, rich jackass.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:39 AM

Missing my point entirely, but that's okay.

It's just easier for girls is all.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And funny enough, I've never gone for a single high-powered, rich jackass.

No one does. It’s the single high-powered, rich non-jackasses that make dating-life complicated.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

MISSTRESSAHARA

Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:51 AM

Well, I'll re-post what I wrote on the other multiple thread.

Ready for it?

Really ready?

I despise Simon and I wish he had died instead of Wash, then I could have enjoyed the movie more. It's no surprise to some he's my least favorite. How's that for un-popular?

Oh and Kaylee? Sooooo much better than wussy wussy doctorboy. She deserves better.

Begin the flaming.

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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Missing my point entirely, but that's okay.

No, I don't think I'm the one missing the point.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
I despise Simon and I wish he had died instead of Wash, then I could have enjoyed the movie more. It's no surprise to some he's my least favorite. How's that for un-popular?

While I can’t say that I really think Wash’s death was very damaging to the story, since he was a fairly non-critical character, I do think Simon’s death would have had a much more profound impact on the story, and possible provided something interesting to the whole River the Reaver Slayer arc.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
No, I don't think I'm the one missing the point.

Maybe you get the point, maybe you don't. Who can say? You'd have to walk a mile in a relativley unexceptional man's shoes to truly appreciate what I'm trying to say though.

Not to mention, if a guy's ugly, they're pretty much screwed. They better have one hell of a personality and get a lot of laughs if they're not wiping their butts with $20 bills. They can't cake on the makeup to pretty themselves up like a woman can.

I'm not being chauvinistic. What can I say? I'll be the first to admit that it's a woman's world and were a step away from the shift to a matriarchial society.

I get the feeling you're annoyed by my comments here PR. Don't be that way. I always liked ya.

****My humblest apologies for the thread hijack to anyone else****

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:30 AM

There’s nothing more unattractive then a guy complaining because he can’t get women.

That being said: Coming from a very poor background I had to compete with other men from Middle to Upper class homes in college for the affections of women from Middle to Upper class homes. Needless to say I felt pretty out of place in college, even though few of the men I was competing with were jackasses. Most of it was in my head. Took me years to realize that what really matters is the alcohol, because in a drunken haze social barriers go out the window.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

ORPHEUS

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

****My humblest apologies for the thread hijack to anyone else****

I dunno, I think this fits quite nicely into the whole "Unpopular Opinions" theme. Even though....

You know what? No. I'm gonna sit this one out.

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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm not being chauvinistic...

Implying that women are shallow, gold-digging, power-hungry hussies and that the only way for a man to get attention is by catering to that isn't being chauvinistic? My mistake.

Quote:
I get the feeling you're annoyed by my comments here PR...

Good to know you're not completely dense.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Ok Inara..... my bad.

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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:48 AM

Go to hell, Jack.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:49 AM

sigh.... already there love.

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PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:54 AM

Well while you're there, maybe you should stop picking fights and being so pity-hungry. You might get out.
And I'm not Inara. That's kind of the whole rutting point I was making.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

TUJIAOZUO

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:00 AM

I'm just jumping in here really quick to ditto a few things...

Quote:
Originally posted by Cailieg:
My unpopular firefly opinion is about the BDM, I dislike the change to Simon Tam, he is a wuss, he never shot anyone, flinches in a fight and suddenly hes a one man Rambo assault team to break his sister out of a place we were told she was "carefully smuggled out of".

Didn't like the intro to the BDM because of this. Its so NOT Simon.

I too disliked the River battle scene but for different reasons after the initial attack. I too study martial arts and have for a long time and no way 20+ people you'd get out of that unless, you are Super Girl in a 'verse that don't have super heroes.

Oh and Jayne IS a bad guy, but he's a bad guy loyal to Mal and only to Mal. He betrayed Mal once and learned the hard way, I doubt he would do it again. though I 'spose he'd have to to keep the tensions up.

So glad I'm not the only one who hates the sudden change to a 'tough' Simon. I swear, it's non-canon. Same thing goes for the BDM opening sequence. Yeah it was badass, but Simon isn't badass. I dunno why but I also missed his vests in the movie. It was like something was missing lol.

The River fighting sequence also bothered me for the same reasons every other martial arts person had, way over the top. It probably didn't get to me as much as I'm a comic book fan and I'm used to all of those over the top actiony sequences, and totally dig that iconic shot of her standing there, blades in hand while the doors open... but how the hell did those doors open?! Bugs the crap out of me every time I watch.

Also, I think Jayne was too cheesy in the first couple of scenes. Like they were trying to make him too funny.

In short, the BDM was ok. When I first saw it I was all WOW... but then I saw the whole series and watched the BDM a few more times and it was sorta like... huh... (yeah I'll get the collector's edition though) but in short, while there are a few scenes, I've found it makes pretty computer Wallpepers more than anything else.

I also didn't really care for the comic book. Maybe I'm biased cause I read Kingdom Come last night and that's the best GN ever, but it just didn't read much to me as a Firefly episode. Some of the writing felt off and the drawings didn't capture some of the characts (Simon and Wash in particular)

Anndd...

Mal and Inara would never have gotten together... maybe in the end... the very end... but Joss probably would have killed Inara off or something.

Jayne wears hats, and as much as I love him for being an untrained ape, he would've turned on the crew again and Mal probably would have had to have made the decision of killing him.

As much as I love fluff, no way you can raise a baby while running from the law.

This said I'll probably hook up Mal and Inara, make Jayne a decent guy and add a baby to my fic (HA!) I seriously doubt the baby... but hell... it's fiction.

Ash

*Goes back to lurking*

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
Mal and Inara would never have gotten together... maybe in the end... the very end... but Joss probably would have killed Inara off or something.

I don't think that's true. I know speculative interviews in the Official Companion aren't solid canon, but they're as close as we can get at the mo' and that's not what the general idea seemed to be around Mal and Inara.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:07 AM

Heh... I stated my opinion, which you obviously don't agree with, and you came at me with claws love. It's still debatable whether or not my opinion is popular or unpopular, given our very limited polling environment here.

The Inara thing was because you're quarrelling with me over something that is basically unprovable either way, and couldn't possibly be a general truth either way, given the infinite combinations of male and female personalities clashing. I just found your reactions amusing is all, and admittedly, I've had a bit of fun getting under your skin. Reminiscant of Cybill and Bruce on Moonlighting. Wasn't implying you're a whore, just to clear that up now.

You don't have to be so catty with me PR. We're all friends here.

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TUJIAOZUO

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
Mal and Inara would never have gotten together... maybe in the end... the very end... but Joss probably would have killed Inara off or something.

I don't think that's true. I know speculative interviews in the Official Companion aren't solid canon, but they're as close as we can get at the mo' and that's not what the general idea seemed to be around Mal and Inara.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

The new browncoat doesn't have the Official Companion. All I'm opinionizing off of is the series, GN, BDM. But thankies for clearing that up

That's what I get for coming into the discussion not well versed on the 'verse.

I'll learn some day.

*Resumes lurking*

Ash

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
The new browncoat doesn't have the Official Companion. All I'm opinionizing off of is the series, GN, BDM. But thankies for clearing that up That's what I get for coming into the discussion not well versed on the 'verse.

I'll learn some day.

*Resumes lurking*

Ash

Don't sweat it. You know more about the verse than I do, given you've read the GN, and I never shut the hell up. Your opinion isn't any less valid than anyone elses here and besides... this is the "unpopular opinion" thread anyways.

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KAYNA

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:21 AM

Ok....I'm going to give my unpopular opinions and ignore the little hijack above me.

First off. I don't give a crap about Simon. To paraphrase River. He is such a boob. He may be intelligent but he's pretty foolish most of the time and I don't care for fools. He's only ever interesting to me in the pilot and the flash-backs in Safe.

Second, I don't know if this is unpopular or not but it doesn't seem very commonly held. I don't believe that Mal has any issues with companions or what they do. He doesn't care that Inara is basicaly a glorified whore. He's just whiney and upset because he can't admit tht he likes her and she's sleeping with a bunch of men and none of them are him. And attacking her job is the easiest way to upset her. Misery loves company.

And finally, the movie. Again, not really sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I really didn't want an explaination or origin for the Reavers. I liked not knowing the why and the what of them.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Heh... I stated my opinion, which you obviously don't agree with, and you came at me with claws love.

You went off opinions on the show, and into opinions on women in general. I said I think Mal and Inara are pussyfooting around, and that I find it pathetic after doing it for only a few short years, and I don't do that anymore, and you responded to me saying that rather than anything about the show itself. You said that it was easier for a woman to not pussyfoot around because a woman, what, didn't have to have a whole lot going for her to catch someone's eye? And that men had to have everything going for them to catch anyone's eye, and that's why they're terrified? No. That's not about the show, that's about sexism, and it's about me, and it's likely to draw out the pretty little claws.
Don't call me love.
I'm done talking to you now.

TuJiaoZuo, don't worry about not having every resource and reference book of Firefly. I'm sure you'll be that obsessed in no time

The fact is, while Joss and Co. have a penchant for kind of springing surprises on the audience, a lot of what would have happened was just tentative anyway, and could ahve changed at any time. That's the whole tragedy.
You're new? Welcome to the 'verse

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
You went off opinions on the show.....

Ahem...... I'd invite you to take a gander at your posts above the one where I allegedly went off course. I was merely commenting on your commentary about your real life experiences as you saw them in relation to the show.

Kettle just got called black?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
There’s nothing more unattractive then a guy complaining because he can’t get women.

Heh.... just read that now. Don't worry about me Finn. I've never had many problems in that department, at least that aren't entirely self inflicted anyhow. I certainly wasn't alluding to being ugly myself. I know nobody on this board that's seen me would say I am ugly, and if they did it's entirely out of jealousy or spite and I fart in their general direction. If anything, I suffer from a narsiscistic complex, bordering on megalomaina. I was just pointing out that women have an easier time during the first introductions part, and most women would agree with me. I stand by everything that I said in that regard, and wouldn't even imagine taking any of it back. PR decided she wanted to read it wrong and turn it into me being a cheuvinistic asshole. Narcisistic, yes.... Chauvinistic, no.... I love women.

Hope when you wake up this morning PR, you read that again and know that it wasn't my intent to put you in such a rage against me.

Quote:
By Orpheus: I dunno, I think this fits quite nicely into the whole "Unpopular Opinions" theme. Even though....

You know what? No. I'm gonna sit this one out.

LOL.... Probably something I should have done too. I hear that's a lesson that I won't learn until I'm married though.

Think that will be construed as sexist or chavinistic?

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RIVERDANCER

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:34 PM

You sure have a knack for pissing people off and giving them no reason to stop being pissed off, Jack. If she weren't already done talking to you, I'm sure PR would still be voicing her displeasure with your attitude.

Anyway, moving to the actual subject, I'm kind of shocked at how many people seem to violently dislike Simon. He's always been one of my favorite characters. He's selfless and noble, and being so smart in some areas and so moronic in others makes him pretty amusing. I relate to him for that, too, because I've known so many stupid smart people. Med students who couldn't get their heads around why the economy was considered bad, lawyers who couldn't make casual conversation with a stranger to save their lives, professors who knew nothing outside their field of study, and who bored anyone they talked with to tears. It's common and it's funny. Also doesn't usually come paired with the will to sacrifice anything for anyone, which is what really makes me love Simon. There's great nuance to his character, and Sean Maher plays it out with astounding grace and amazing chemistry with most of the cast.
My unpopular opinion? Morena. Not Inara, but Morena. I think her chemistry with everyone is minimal to nonexistent, which massively detracts from her performance, especially as she's playing a woman who makes her living off having chemistry with people, fitting into their lives perfectly, knowing how to please, how to teach, guide, serve, or whatever a given situation might require. The only time I got even a hint of that was when she was talking to Simon about being lost in the woods. That was a gorgeous moment, and her eyes were luminous and sympathetic, and she seemed to genuinely care about him. Actually, the same energy comes up in Out of Gas with him. That's part of the reason I say Sean has chemistry with the entire cast, because I only buy her performance as a caring and sympathetic woman when she's interacting with him. Only because her acting is technically flawless did I think for a moment she was concerned about Mal, but it felt off to me, and I certainly never felt a spark between them. Nathan is an amazing actor, and I knew at once that Mal cared for Inara, but it honestly shocked me to find out she felt anything for him like that, because her eyes and her body language just never said it. Her break down in Heart of Gold was again technically well done, but I still didn't buy it as a true emotional moment, but rather a very good replica of one.
In short, it did not surprise me a bit to find out she was a last-minute cast who started filming the day after she met the rest of the crew. I really think that role could have been cast better, with someone who resonated more with Nathan in particular. Melinda Clarke might have been a good choice, actually, if she'd come along sooner. I never doubted the chemistry between Mal and Nandi.

CROW

Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Missing my point entirely, but that's okay.

It's just easier for girls is all.

It's not easier for girls - guys can get money and status and often get more physically attractive as they get older, but if you're not in the 2% of girls who have the body and looks that we all have been conditioned to believe are attractive... By the time you can afford the cosmetic surgery to fix this, you are in way past your sell by date etc.

Crow

RIVERDANCER

Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:06 PM

Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many browncoats were not only completely superficial, but slaves to media ideals. This is disappointing as hell.

CROW

Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:07 PM

Back to the issue at hand (I love this thread - it's very liberating)...

I'm so glad to see that others are not nutty about Inara - I think Morena is not particularly well cast in the role and it's not that I don't believe the sulky defensive chemistry between her and Mal, (I do believe that a different actor could have done a better job at it) but their relationship clearly had no future -- which kinda makes it fun and is what gives it believability in many ways.

Inara and Simon seem possible once Inara and Mal have given in and gotten over their lust for one another.

I agree that Kaylee and Jayne would have made an awesome couple.

I find it really interesting that once I start thinking about my unpopular opinions I really don't like very many of the characters. (Mal and Zoe are really the only people who I am never seriously irritated by.) I think this is what makes the show so believable. As a group their interactions are fun, but in isolation each character has very unlikeable traits, weakness and flaws. Kinda like humans.

Mal has flaws too, but apparently I forgive them - does Zoe have flaws? I can't think of one. Both of them are so attractive I get all muzzy trying to think about this.

Crow

ASORTAFAIRYTALE

Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:37 PM

Really the only opinion I have that might be unpopular is that Inara really pisses me off sometimes. She is just too pompous and obnoxious and totally doesn't belong on a ship like Serenity. Especially since she complains when they spend too much time on disreputable type planets and stuff.
I don't have a problem with Morena Baccarin though. She's a good actress and portrays the character well. Though really I can't exactly despise any of the Firefly characters too much.

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:

The River fighting sequence also bothered me for the same reasons every other martial arts person had, way over the top.

Well, I admit to being a novice in the martial art department, having studied formally only eight different styles of gung-fu and karate over a short span (Thirty years

), so pardon me if I say that THIS martial artist had NO problem WHATSOEVER with the idea that a 98 lb girl with psychic ability to know the intent, if not the precise physical moves to be employed, of her attackers, combined with the ability to block out ALL distraction makes for a very believable martial scenario. She simply employed my lifelong martial code: don't get in the path of an oncoming strike, and never hit a man with a closed fist (especially if you can hit 'im with other stuff).
Her Combat Tai-Chi was most impressive, from an entertainment POV.

Technically speaking Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
A 90 lb girl can’t deliver that kind of energy; I don’t care how kungfu she is.

Ahem...in the style she was employing, one does not 'deliver' energy, one re-directs it. Her actual strikes were perhaps 20% of her moves, and almost none actually took peeps out; most were thrown to the floor by their own momentum, hit with glass mugs, shot, stabbed, or cut open on approach.
Okay, that one slo-mo punch was focused on- I'll let that go for the 'Buffy-esque-ness' of the moment...

She 'Chan-ed' most of 'em Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

LOL... I must humbly disagree with your assessment of the quality of the BDM.

No worries, mate.
I hear inaccurate opinions of things all day long.
Look how long it took for Christ's words to become the 'in' thing.
Serenity is one of the best movies EVER made, but classics are generally not instantly hailed as 'classics' until a comfortable time has passed.
Me? I'm comfortable enough already.

Comfy Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many browncoats were not only completely superficial, but slaves to media ideals. This is disappointing as hell.

Please don't attribute that to all of us- personally my physical ideals were formed by athletes; a little muscle beats big phoney breasts EVERY day. And grandness of heart wins over good pole-dancing.
The superficial thing DOES help weed out the jerks, though.

Half-full Chrisisall

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
You sure have a knack for pissing people off and giving them no reason to stop being pissed off, Jack. If she weren't already done talking to you, I'm sure PR would still be voicing her displeasure with your attitude.

Yeah.... I like Simon too. I got your back on that one. He's the only truly selfless character on the show... at least the only one who has proven it time and time again with his sister. Even if he does walk and talk like a wuss...

Still, his character in the BDM was completley different than what he was in the show; just one of the myriad of reasons that I'm not a fan of the movie at all.

What I like the most about the women of the show is that they don't get their feelings hurt easy and they know full well their strenghth and power and sexuality and wouldn't even waste their breath trying so hard to make everyone else recognize it, particularly men like me who don't just sit down like a good little boy and behave exactly like they'd like 24/7. If this were "The Real World - Serenity", and all of us were on the show with the crew, why do I have a feeling that Jayne and I would have been asked to leave the ship already?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Serenity is one of the best movies EVER made, but classics are generally not instantly hailed as 'classics' until a comfortable time has passed.

I will admit that as a standalone movie, I probably would have enjoyed it immensely, but as it were the characters were changed, stories were uber-rushed, my favorite character Book dies, and the chemestry is irreversibly changed forever, barring some stupid "Dallas" type dream dismissial of the BDM.

Just another of my unpopular opinions. I'm full of them.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

WTE

Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:33 AM

This thread went odd, odd places. I kind of like it. Some good, old-fashioned debate.

I don't think I have a lot of unpopular opinions about the series; I loved the movie, liked Kaylee well enough, blah blah blah.

I think as close as I come is not thinking Our Mrs. Reynolds and, as a sort-of result, Trash, are great episodes. I enjoy them well enough, but they never struck me as stand-out episodes as others seems to find them. Which is odd, because normally if Joss wrote and directed an episode, I'm all over it.

Still, I like it more than Heart of Gold.

I'm trying desperately to think of something else that would separate me from the masses... hummm... damn. I guess I'm just a regular, white sheep.

HONKS

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WTE:

I think as close as I come is not thinking Our Mrs. Reynolds and, as a sort-of result, Trash, are great episodes.

Go live with Reavers, you captain-dummy person, you!!! Those are GREAT eps!!! And you are a ruttin' atypical neophyte, you quality-hater!!!

(...did that sound suitably flame-ish? I could add some harsh language...if it sounded too nice...not good at being mean to nice folks, and makin' it sound real

)

The psuedo-angry Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
as it were the characters were changed

As a Vulcan of my aquaintance is fond of saying, change is the essential nature of all existence.
Please elevate yourself to a higher point, and travel on.*

*get over it

Chrisisall

RIVERDANCER

Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please don't attribute that to all of us...

I don't, that's part of what makes it disappointing. Most of what I've seen of browncoats here has been all about finding what's beautiful, be it physical or something else. And when it's something physical it's often non-traditional.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What I like the most about the women of the show is that they don't get their feelings hurt easy

False. They do. All the characters get their feelings hurt, feel threatened, act irrational, take something the 'wrong way' or something else like that that makes them, you know, human. They mess up, they fight, they take issue and have issues with things. I think you maybe need to watch the show again.

I really liked Trash, but Our Mrs Reynolds isn't on my list of favorite episodes either. It was good, but it loses the element of surprise on repeat viewing, whereas in Trash you already know that YoSafBridge is out to con someone. Plus it has the great "I can kill you with my brain" moment :)

FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
as it were the characters were changed
As a Vulcan of my aquaintance is fond of saying, change is the essential nature of all existence.
Please elevate yourself to a higher point, and travel on.*

*get over it Chrisisall

Chris, have I told you lately that I love you, mate!

IloveSerenityisall!

Oh, and you're absolutely right about Serenity being a classic...someday everyone will know.

To see if there's a screening near you go here:
www.cantstoptheserenity.com

MALTEHWIN2

Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:56 AM

well, If FOX hadn't cancelled Firefly
1) We wouldn't appreciate it as much as we do now
2) as with most shows, later seasons would start to suck.

Kaylee isn't a sucky character, she's cute as hell.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
False. They do. All the characters get their feelings hurt, feel threatened, act irrational, take something the 'wrong way' or something else like that that makes them, you know, human. They mess up, they fight, they take issue and have issues with things. I think you maybe need to watch the show again.

Wrong.... you're doing it again now. Taking something I say and blowing it out of proportion and twisting it to suit your needs, which now seems to make a strawman argument against me.

Of course people get their feelings hurt,regardless of sex, but on the show it's about individual basis stuff. My point is that the women on the show don't make issue about having to prove their equal, or quite possibly superior status as females by bitching and moaning about it. Their actions and the way they carry themselves says it all for them. The topic of sexuality as far as being equal isn't even really touched on, if it even comes up at all throughout the course of the show or the movie. It's assumed going in that equality between sex is just the norm, and not even something worth debating. I don't feel that there is a single instance where any of the strong and independent women on the show even make that questionable in the slightest.

Any one of the women on the show would just laugh if anybody jokingly or even seriously questioned the power and ability of the female.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RIVERDANCER

Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Wrong.... you're doing it again now. Taking something I say and blowing it out of proportion and twisting it to suit your needs, which now seems to make a strawman argument against me.

Right, I forgot you're the eternal victim and everyone around you twists your words rather than just responding to what you write, and you really aren't here to argue at all, and I'm just being a jackass for pointing out that you are, in fact, wrong. Skip the pity-party, it doesn't work on me.

I could point out that no man on the show makes any implications about women being shallow, or having it easier because men are also shallow and it's 'easier' for women to be pretty. Closest is Mal giving Inara shit, and that's less about being a woman and more about her job. So it's kind of a two-way street. In both ways. You kind of insult everyone of any gender with your comments. Just thought I'd point that out.

PR had the right idea. I am also done talking to you. No sense in banging my head against a wall.

WTE

Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
I really liked Trash, but Our Mrs Reynolds isn't on my list of favorite episodes either. It was good, but it loses the element of surprise on repeat viewing, whereas in Trash you already know that YoSafBridge is out to con someone. Plus it has the great "I can kill you with my brain" moment :)

I'll agree that I like Trash more than OMR. For example, "Well. I appreciate your honesty. Not, you know, a lot, but..."

I don't know why that jumps out immediately, as I'm sure the episode has funnier moments, but I enjoyed that part.

So the point of this post was: okay, fair enough, Trash was better. I think it still falls behind most of the others on my list, though.

HONKS

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Right, I forgot you're the eternal victim....

Do I even know you, where you feel you can justify saying something like this? I have no idea who you are... I don't even recognize your screen name.

Quote:
...you are, in fact, wrong.

Opinion duely noted.

Quote:
Skip the pity-party, it doesn't work on me.

Not aware that I asked for anybody's pity once on this thread. Very interested to see where you came up with that. (Not really interested...)

Quote:
I could point out that no man on the show makes any implications about women being shallow, or having it easier because men are also shallow and it's 'easier' for women to be pretty.

It never came up, and truthfully, it would make for a very boring episode, I think...

Quote:
You kind of insult everyone of any gender with your comments. Just thought I'd point that out.

I have yet to see where I've even insulted women once. You're right about men though... I feel that I've done quite a good job of that.

Quote:
I am also done talking to you. No sense in banging my head against a wall.

Good. Then my job here is done....

Go find another crusade and quit being a pest.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
As a Vulcan of my aquaintance is fond of saying, change is the essential nature of all existence.
Please elevate yourself to a higher point, and travel on.*

Nope... Sorry man. Not a huge fan of change myself. It's not that I like the way things are today, it's just that I know that I will like them even less tomorrow.

That is, unless RP gets the presidency. I'll tell you what Chris. I will promise you this, here and now. If RP gets elected in '08, I will change my mind and Serenity will be my favorite movie of all time. Hell... I'll even get Serenity tatooed on a place which I have yet to decide on.... I'll let you know where when he spanks Giuliani (aka The White Devil that will make Bush Jr. look like Ghandi, if elected) in the primaries.

will undoubtedly be dissappointed in '08, 6ixStringJack

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Nope... Sorry man. Not a huge fan of change myself. It's not that I like the way things are today, it's just that I know that I will like them even less tomorrow.

Six. Been there. But it HAS to change...everything does without our consent. And for Joss to reflect that in his fiction....is genius, pure and simple.
Be uncomfortable, dude. It's the way we grow.
It's not about what you like, it's about how you can groove to the new.
I love season seven of Buffy and I love Serenity!

Change? Bring it! Chrisisall

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Six. Been there. But it HAS to change...everything does without our consent. And for Joss to reflect that in his fiction....is genius, pure and simple.
Be uncomfortable, dude. It's the way we grow.
It's not about what you like, it's about how you can groove to the new.
I love season seven of Buffy and I love Serenity!

Change? Bring it! Chrisisall

I don't think things HAVE to change, but the people with all the money just keep making it change while people who just want to be left alone, who usually don't have any money, are forced to change along with their wishes. Very much like Firefly, and one of the main reasons I loved the show and related so well to the characters and the situation.

In my warped little world in my mind, minus the interstellar flight and the laser pistol, the real world is absolutely no different than Firefly. I never appreciated Joss for his genius for Buffy or Angel*, because it always seemed like a show horny teenagers watched to me, but Firefly just spoke my language. I'd be willing to bet that Joss would have similar views about change that I do, only difference is he's got a ton of money and change don't bother you so much when you can have all the toys you want to distract you from it. I'd be willing to bet before he became rich and famous though that he thought a lot like I did. I just got that vibe when I was watching the show. The entire ride felt like something I would write.

The movie on the other hand, IMO had none of that magic, although I have to admit I was pretty happy when the reavers made mince meat out of the Alliance at the end there.

* Don't hate on me Buffy & Angel lovers. I've seen some reruns on TNT, and also Charmed (which I'm fully aware is not Joss, but I always considered them to be marketed to the same demographic). All three of those shows aren't half bad. They kinda fell smack dab in the middle 7 or so year social peak of my life and I didn't have time for TV or video games. Got a little more time on my hands now that I should now though... Always up for a rerun of any of em, but I'm usually multi-taskin' and strummin on my guitar...

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:31 PM

I'm Soooooooooooooooory Phoenix Rose.

PLEASE forgive me!

lol... seriously. I'm not mad at you at all. I hope you aren't mad at me still. I really do likes ya, but these fingers and this off-kilter brain of mine just seem to keep getting me into trouble. If I didn't like ya, I wouldn't be wasting my time typing.

I argue with people constantly in the RWED, but the people that I argue with the most are, probably sadly, kinda like part of my life... if you know what I'm sayin'. I'd like to think that they respect me like I respect them.

You too, RiverDancer..... Sorry about being an ass. I don't have a college degree, but I'm sure if there was one for being a self righteous know-it-all a-hole I would get an honorary doctorate from Harvard... (see... megalomaniacal, right?)

Love me or hate me, that's just my way. Don't recokon an old dog like me could learn new tricks.... Hopefully ya'all are somewhere in the middle, leanin' towards love

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

CROW

Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:36 PM

>RiverDancer wrote:
>Saturday, June 23, 2007 07:06
>Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many >browncoats were not only completely superficial, >but slaves to media ideals. This is >disappointing as hell.

Not that I'm particularly interested in keeping this part of the thread going but I object to being thought of in this way.

My apologies for horrifying you so much. I recognize you could have no way of knowing that I don't believe this -- but honestly, I was just answering in kind.

Crow

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:25 PM

Wow... thanks for jumping on the grenade Crow. Could be my narsicisism, but I thought she was talking about me there.

If it was you, don't feel so bad. I think she was just pissed at me and I'm not an easy target. Not to say you are of course..... no offence intended.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RIVERDANCER

Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Do I even know you, where you feel you can justify saying something like this? I have no idea who you are... I don't even recognize your screen name.

I'm a huge lurker. Sometimes I come out and play when I've got an opinion that hasn't been expressed and/or think someone is being a bit of an ass. Most of the time I just read through the threads. So no, you don't know me. But I know you pretty well. I've observed you pushing people's buttons and then playing the 'you have no right to attack me' card since before I signed up for an account here. You play the martyr. The pity party is implied, not overt.
Just thought I'd clarify.
You pushed buttons, and I'm not for one second fooled into thinking you're too dense to understand how. Sometimes you come off as a bit paranoid and reactionary, but you aren't stupid. (there, see, I do give you some credit) Even if you might not have meant to do it initially, you have enough logic and language skills to figure out why it might have come across as offensive to those of us who aren't mind-reading geniuses, and then you continued to push. So stop saying you're being straw-manned. Like I said, doesn't work on me.

TUJIAOZUO

Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:28 PM

Quote:
TuJiaoZuo, don't worry about not having every resource and reference book of Firefly. I'm sure you'll be that obsessed in no time
The fact is, while Joss and Co. have a penchant for kind of springing surprises on the audience, a lot of what would have happened was just tentative anyway, and could ahve changed at any time. That's the whole tragedy.
You're new? Welcome to the 'verse

Thanks.

And I think what happened with my Mal Inara comment is that I really worded it wrong. So of course sleeping on it made me come up with the right words. What I was trying to say is that they'd never get together in that put their differences aside and being an official couple sense. I can see them sleeping together, but in the sense that when they're done they kind of enjoy the bliss for awhile but in the end they pull back and go 'what just happened?'. And then awkwardness would insue. I don't know if that helps any, but that's what I was trying to say. Articulation eludes me from time to time lol.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Anyway, moving to the actual subject, I'm kind of shocked at how many people seem to violently dislike Simon. He's always been one of my favorite characters. He's selfless and noble, and being so smart in some areas and so moronic in others makes him pretty amusing. I relate to him for that, too, because I've known so many stupid smart people. Med students who couldn't get their heads around why the economy was considered bad, lawyers who couldn't make casual conversation with a stranger to save their lives, professors who knew nothing outside their field of study, and who bored anyone they talked with to tears. It's common and it's funny. Also doesn't usually come paired with the will to sacrifice anything for anyone, which is what really makes me love Simon. There's great nuance to his character, and Sean Maher plays it out with astounding grace and amazing chemistry with most of the cast.

I completely agree with you there, he's one of my favorites as well for all of the points you just mentioned. In fact why I like him so much is because I'm apart of a family of 'Simons'. Brilliant people, tops in their class, but the family curse is lacking common sense lol.

Quote:

Well, I admit to being a novice in the martial art department, having studied formally only eight different styles of gung-fu and karate over a short span (Thirty years), so pardon me if I say that THIS martial artist had NO problem WHATSOEVER with the idea that a 98 lb girl with psychic ability to know the intent, if not the precise physical moves to be employed, of her attackers, combined with the ability to block out ALL distraction makes for a very believable martial scenario. She simply employed my lifelong martial code: don't get in the path of an oncoming strike, and never hit a man with a closed fist (especially if you can hit 'im with other stuff).
Her Combat Tai-Chi was most impressive, from an entertainment POV.

Wow, well I certainly can't argue with you there. I didn't study Tai-Chi (Tea Kwon Do) and my knowledge is tiny compared to yours

Ash
*resumes lurking*

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:34 PM

Oh... you are good.....

Tell me you're not as attracted to me as I am by you right now.

Edited to add: I did ask you for an apology..... maybe you haven't read that far?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RIVERDANCER

Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:48 PM

Heh... I'm probably not, but it's hard to stay tetchy at you for that.

And I saw. Mutual respect and all that. I did say I gave you credit, right?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:53 PM

Don't worry... after time I tend to grow on you... lol

Yes. I read everything you said, and I've never been mad at you for a moment. I'm sure that feeling's not mutual, but then again, I'm the weirdo here.

Edited to add: Admitedly, I had to look up the word "tetchy".... little did I know, it meant "touchy", which is what I accediently thought you had meant to type originally.

BTW.... Tetchy was the word of the day on March 13th, 2003... according to Dictionary.com. HOORAY!!!

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RIVERDANCER

Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:59 PM

Tetchy and mad aren't really the same thing. No worries.

*edit* Heeheehee, I've loved the word tetchy ever since I heard Mal say it.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:02 PM

That's cool... and totally understandable. Most people I know here are mad at me for one reason or another.......

Not cause I'm a troll of course, but because I can refute arguments and get under skin with my undoubtedly un-troll-like behavior

EDIT: I've only watched the show through one time in all the time I've been a fan. I don't remember that part, but I'm bound to, next time I watch it, now that you've mentioned it

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

MAL4PREZ

Monday, June 25, 2007 3:18 AM

OK, my super secret unpopular opinion that's so unpopular to my very own self that I try to stay in denial...

I'm actually glad this lovely show was cancelled because I never would have gotten into writing fanfic on a show that hadn't ended super young, and while six more years of episodes would have been hella entertaining, writing has been been a damned near life changing experience for me.

OMG!! Sacrilege!!!!

BTW - there are no unpopular opinions here that I can't see the point of (annoyance with Simon, Kaylee, and Inara mostly) but that's that beauty of fic - those can all be explained away, if you give these characters the right background and the right future. At least, I think so.

BTW #2 - 6string, you have such potential, and then you go on these rants that, I'm sorry to say, make you sound like such an ass. Man - don't do that! I'm so close to thinking you're really cool. Quit getting in the way! (Should I put a kissy emoticon thingy here or a knife in the head? Ah hell - you decide what my tone is.)

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

LEXAN

Monday, June 25, 2007 6:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Charmed (which I'm fully aware is not Joss, but I always considered them to be marketed to the same demographic

The shows aren't comparable...at all... whatsoever. I don't even think the genres can be seen as similar because they're used so differently...

But I guess this is the unpopular opinions thread...

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