So!! Who's finished Deathly Hallows??

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PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:10 AM

Anyone? Anyone? *bouncing up and down* What did you think? What did you think? I'll give my whole impression when I'm coherant.... I cried a lot... The death toll was, obviously, much higher than I expected. And... Oh, I'll try to think about it all tomorrow!

*edit* Okay, so if you clicked on this thread and you haven't finished, I would advise you to leave. Like, now, so you won't be tempted to read anything spoilery that comes later. Because I'm not gonna start a thread for those who have finished and then communicate exclusively in spoiler tags.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

ZEROKIRYU

Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:46 AM

It was Good....*Bounces up and down*....I cried a lot as well.....

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SHINY

Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:30 AM

Just finished it. It was better than I expected; she managed to surprise me a few times, which was a...um...well...surprise, since I thought I had every angle covered...of course, this is magic so you can always just make up stuff, like, say, the rules of wand magic. ;)

EVERYONE PLEASE REMEMBER TO USE THE SPOILER TAGS OUT OF COURTESY. (I've also edited the thread subject to reduce the chance of someone accidentally stumbling onto spoilers and ruining it for themselves)

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FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:12 AM

As of ten minutes ago - I'm not actually fond of the series but I wind up having to read them since girl wants to DISCUSS them,, *eyeroll*

And so, I had to know.

Pretty good, kinda drags at one part, but all in all, satisfactory.

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High death toll indeed, I was like, damn, they're droppin like flies - got my wish, Mad Eye went down swingin, as I felt he always would.

I knew I had nailed Snapes reasons and motivations pretty good, and as previously mentioned, he WAS trying to educate potter, but ramming his flaws in his face and forcing him to deal with them, instead of buttering him up like everyone else did - whether Snape ever realized it or not, that's the mark of a true friend.

Dumbledore, Jerk, Berk, never liked him, never trusted him, and still don't, even dead.

All the deaths and only one, just one, made me misty-eyed... Dobby.
House Elf Hero, truly free, and of noble and altruistic spirit, if only the wizards would ever learn from his example, eh ?

Kinda feel shorted on Minerva, she was a bit wimpier than I expected, bleh.

But omg, Molly, Dayammmn, and that's all I got to say about that.

-Frem

BLACKBEANIE

Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:36 PM

Finished it on saturaday. And in less than 10 hours, I'm very proud.

I was shocked by the death toll, Joss is proabably applauding this woman as we speak.
The story turned out really good, lots of little twists and things that were connected. I loved it.

Was anyone else surprised by the swearing?

REGINAROADIE

Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:50 PM

Read it all in one sitting. I waited all day for it to come by Canada Post, which they never delivered. Finally got fed up and went to Chapters and got a copy myself. Read the first chapter in the parking lot, then drove home. Started reading it pretty much immediately, used up the remaining coffee in the house to keep me buzzed, and read the entire thing in one night. I finished it in about 13 hours.

All I gotta say is, this is without a doubt the darkest of the books and at times I wasn't sure where this was going, and not in a good way. But the finale tied everything beautifully, and the majority of my predictions came true.

I can't really give an honest opinion about it since I haven't slept in about 24 hours, so I really should be getting to bed. But suffice to say, it was a powerful experience.

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PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:29 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
EVERYONE PLEASE REMEMBER TO USE THE SPOILER TAGS OUT OF COURTESY. (I've also edited the thread subject to reduce the chance of someone accidentally stumbling onto spoilers and ruining it for themselves)

I would really hope that no one would click on a "Who's finished" thread if they weren't finished.
So yeah, if you're not FINISHED you probably want to just leave the thread. Now. Seriously. Because I find comunicating completely in spoiler tags to be annoying as hell and I am not gonna do it. That's why I started this thread instead of going and talking about it everywhere.
Anyway.
I... still don't like Snape. I know, I know, he's one of the good guys after all, but he's an asshole! He supposedly loved Lily, but still joined the campaign against 'mudbloods' and then got a concience when it occured to him that others wouldn't have seen her as different from any other 'mudblood' and she might *gasp* be in trouble. That's not sweet or romantic or noble, it's just selfish. Okay, so useful to have someone on the inside as a spy, but that he was there in the first place...

I cried over a lot of the deaths, but I think I cried hardest over Dobby and Fred. Fred was such a sudden low blow, and it really just brushed over George's reaction. I mean, they were twins, and shared everything as most twins do, and I've heard having a twin die is like losing a part of your own soul. Poor George.
Lupin didn't hit me until the 'shades' showed up. What exactly were they, anyway? Not really back from the dead, but an echo of the dead? A glimpse of the dead? Talking to the dead? Anyway, when they showed up and there he was, I really started crying. Somehow until then I thought one of them would be okay. I didn't want little Teddy to be an orphan. Especially wondering, for the first time, whether his godfather was going to make it. She really had me scared with that "Harry is a horcrux" thing. I had wondered if she would have them both die, but couldn't believe she really would. It would have been a bold break from tradition... but considering the scope of the fanbase, it's probably good she didn't, because she might have seriously gotten death threats.
Magda and I totally came up with the scenario of Molly flying into a maternal rage and finishing Bellatrix. That was awesome!
Surprised by the swearing? No. These things haven't truly been kid's books since Goblet of Fire. It's difficult to break genre barriers, so she had to keep anything explicit out of the book, despite all the violent death that was described. I've always had an issue with the "Violence is okay, but no sex or swearing" thing with whether something is 'okay' for children. I read these books at exactly the right age. I was 13 when I burned through the first three, and then I got the new ones as they came out, and I grew up with the characters, and I really think that's how they should be read. Otherwise, read them all in one sitting at about sixteen. Probably not at ten. Anyway, that's me getting off on a tangeant because it bugs me that something that should by rights be for adults isn't allowed to be too adult.
Okay, so little Albus's middle name is Severous, so who thinks that little James's middle name is Sirius and little Lily's is Dora?

*edit* Oh yeah! Best. Potter. Ever.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

DEEPGIRL187

Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:59 PM

I'm done! Started around eight yesterday, had it finished by four. Tears did ensue.

I really think she did a wonderful job of ending things. Even though it hurts my heart to lose certain people, I think it was best that way. She really wrote the story realistically, showing that no battle can be won without loss.

On the other hand,

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Remus, Tonks, Dobby and Fred? That I'm still reeling from. And I was so pleased with how she wrote Snape's character, and especially that in the end, Harry was able to forgive and respect the decisions he made.

Okay, have to stop typing, or the tears will start again.

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SAB39

Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:17 PM

Arrived at the bookstore about 10:30pm, got my copy about 12:45 (I was #400 in line, go figure), got home just after 1, and finished it at 7:20am. Loved every minute of it and collapsed in hysterical giggles for several minutes at Hermione yelling "MERLIN'S PANTS!". Have some nits to pick though.

So I'm the only one who thinks the death toll was too low then? Fred, Remus and Tonks were certainly painful but I don't think it rings true to get through the defeat of the greatest Dark wizard of all time without losing at least one of Harry, Ron, Hermione or Ginny. The deaths in the previous two books struck much closer to Harry personally than these ones did.

I spotted one plot hole - Snape's patronus took the same form as Lily's after her death. The Order of the Phoenix communicate using patronuses, so everyone would be aware of the form of everyone else's. Lily and James were in the Order. But yet nobody in the Order has a clue of why Dumbledore is so sure Snape has reformed? A doe patronus isn't a BIG FREAKING CLUE that Lily might JUST have been important to him in some way?

I was unhappy about the way the book - and Harry - treated Ginny. Her "birthday present" was entirely in character but after that it wasn't at all like her to just slink off to Hogwarts. Ok, so she helped leading the resistance there, but I don't believe that she would have just abandoned Harry. And the fact that she didn't even show up when they were at Bill and Fleur's house, and she knew it, was completely out of character. And Harry should have given her more credit in the final battle than to just try to keep her safe and out of action. He knows her better than that, or damn well ought to by now.

SHINY

Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
EVERYONE PLEASE REMEMBER TO USE THE SPOILER TAGS OUT OF COURTESY. (I've also edited the thread subject to reduce the chance of someone accidentally stumbling onto spoilers and ruining it for themselves)

I would really hope that no one would click on a "Who's finished" thread if they weren't finished.
So yeah, if you're not FINISHED you probably want to just leave the thread. Now. Seriously. Because I find comunicating completely in spoiler tags to be annoying as hell and I am not gonna do it. That's why I started this thread instead of going and talking about it everywhere.

Ouch. Looks like I touched a nerve! Sorry PR, I just wanted to be extra careful because I hate being spoiled myself. At least we're not going dark all weekend like every HP forum on the Web -- what's up with that?!?!

Anyway, I think my favorite part was Harry viewing Snape's full memories in the Pensieve (I just liked the way it was written)...although I think Dumbledore really did use Harry, and I resented it (if you are going to use someone like that, someone you claim to care very much about, at least respect them enough to be straight with them -- if not before he died, at least he should have put arrangements in place so he could have given Harry more guidance from his portrait in the headmaster's office)

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RIVERDANCER

Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:40 PM

Really? All the forums are going dark? Weird. The whole gorramn plot is up on wikipedia, including a comprehensive list of all known deaths.
Killing Ron, Hermione, Harry, or Ginny would, as PR said, be a bold break from tradition, but I knew it wasn't gonna happen. And I think, clearly, that Dobby's death hit him very hard. Dobby was important to Harry. Harry dug his grave, carved him a little tombstone, thought he deserved a funeral and a tomb like Dumbledore, and was pushed into moving faster and with more determination. Lupin, as well, was very close to Harry's heart, the last of his father's dear friends, the man who taught him, possibly better than anyone, how to survive. The man who named him godfather. One of the spirits he summoned up to give him the courage to do what he thought was needed. He didn't summon Dumbledore, then. And, I think he was right not to, becuase he was feeling used, he was used, and even though Dumbledore was proud, even though he did care, even though he wanted him to survive and left a message with Snape in hopes that he would, like his mother, make the ultimate sacrifice and hence be sparred, he also didn't tell him everything he needed. I think he should have told him more. I think the puzzle-it-out bullshit was tiring. But I also think he was doing, like Harry, as he thought he must. But Harry was right to feel bad and right not to summon his shade. And right to go and do what he had to anyway.

On the patronus I've got nothing. I never saw Snape using it to communicate with anyone in the Order, so maybe he just never did. Maybe, in his role of spy, he couldn't. But it seems odd that no one would catch on, yeah.

ZEROKIRYU

Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:56 PM

The way Hedwig died was just wrong.

And there is a place reservered for Umbridge in the Special Hell.

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SAB39

Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:00 PM

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On the patronus I've got nothing. I never saw Snape using it to communicate with anyone in the Order, so maybe he just never did. Maybe, in his role of spy, he couldn't. But it seems odd that no one would catch on, yeah.

He did use it at least once, but possibly with Dumbledore himself who already knew. When Umbridge had Harry captive and Harry yelled "He's got Padfoot!", Snape contacted the rest of the Order to confirm Sirius was safe, and eventually to alert them that Harry may have gone after Sirius himself. Dumbledore said something like "I should mention that members of the Order of the Phoenix have more reliable ways of communicating than the fire in Dolores Umbridge's office" - and JKR has confirmed that meant the patronus thing. But I don't think it's ever spelled out (heh, no pun intended) exactly which members of the Order he contacted that day.

One thing I loved was the little nods back to previous books. At the Whomping Willow when Ron wishes they had Crookshanks to stop the branches for them, Hermione says "Crookshanks? Are you a wizard or what?". Way back in book one when they were caught in the devil's snare that's afraid of heat and light, Ron told Hermione to light a fire, she said "there's no wood" and Ron bellowed "Have you gone mad? Are you a witch or not?"

FIZZIX

Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:06 PM

Not worth staying up for, which I did. 7 hours of reading, including when I sat in front of the television, read only 4 pages in a half hour. Ouch.

I had mine shipped to me, so it got home at about 1-2, and I couldn't start until 3 (I was fuming.).

Honestly, the only prediction I got right (oddly enough I was all for Harry dies 1/3 through, Voldemort dies 3/4 through) was the ministry falling to pieces, but I heard a friend mention the possibility of Harry being a Horcrux! HOLY CRAP!

No kidding, she said this on Thursday. Weird.

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SHINY

Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by zerokiryu:
The way Hedwig died was just wrong.

Dear kids,

War is hell.

That is all.

Love,
JKR

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SAB39

Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by Fizzix:
but I heard a friend mention the possibility of Harry being a Horcrux! HOLY CRAP!

No kidding, she said this on Thursday. Weird.

Actually that's been a popular prediction for many months. I never believed it, sad to say. I did get a bunch of others right, though. My most obscure (that I never heard anyone else suggest at all) was that when Aunt Petunia said in book 5 "I heard that awful boy telling her about them", she meant Snape rather than James. Rather proud of myself for that one!

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:23 PM

Truth ?
I lay a lotta those deaths at the feet of dumblebore, and later, the order.

If AT ANY TIME, even one of em would have flat levelled with Harry, actually *trusted* in him, treated him as a person and potential adult instead of a 'thing' to be used - many of those deaths would not have occured.

I wouldn't have blamed him for ditching the lot of em, honestly.

If you've ever played the most recent issue of Bard's Tale for Xbox, there's a "screw both of you" ending that's a lot like that, which amused me to no end.

-Frem

TAMSIBLING

Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:08 PM

Okay, so I finished it about an hour ago. I have to say I was happy with the resolution - although I've got to admit I was expecting a higher price to be paid.

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Not that I don't love Fred, but I really thought Hermione or Ron was going to have to pay the ultimate price - or maybe even one of the Weasley parents. Although I've got to say - Molly calling Bellatrix a bitch was just great!

I also really, really enjoyed the epilogue - remember, there are SPOILERS here folks, if you haven't read, don't keep going ...

I was glad to see the loose ends wrapped up and was giddy as a school girl at the thought of Ron and Hermione and Ginny and Harry getting married and having kids. I would have loved to have seen a little more immediate resolution/fall-out from the actual battle with Voldemort, but I think I can understand why Rowling didn't do it.

The only thing that disappointed me were the two chapters or so of obvious exposition - Harry in the Pensieve with Snape's thoughts (although I knew he was in love with Lily), and Harry and Dumbledore after he surrenders to be killed - those are the ones that immediately spring to mind. It might be that I've never noticed Rowling's shortcomings as a writer before or just that these are really obvious, but I was a might disappointed that she couldn't think of another way to impart this info to us and not all in the last 100 pages of the book. I think a lot of it was necessary, I just would have preferred it got spread out.

So, I guess that's it. Yes, the book was dark, but I wasn't expecting any less. I was really surprised when Ron left Harry and Hermione early on and even more surprised by Herminone's reaction when he came back. I thought for sure she'd let him off the hook a bit easier. I would have liked to have seen a bit more romance, but the kids are still pretty young and so I figure it's to be expected that there wouldn't be a ton of it. Still, aren't they all about raging hormones? Just kidding ...

I think all in all Rowling did herself proud ... and gave the fans a satisfying resolution.

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MAGDALENA

Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:37 PM

I don't agree with Dumbledore bearing so much blame - in war there are casualties and if Voldemort hadn't wanted to take over for his own personal power hungry reasons, Dumbledore wouldn't have made mistakes nor would Harry or members of the Order...

I also don't agree that Harry, Ginny, Ron or Hermione should have died. They had been preparing for this for a long time and were all quite talented and powerful witches and wizards for their ages... Ron might have been the weakest link in the group - but he had been there and done that more often than most members of the Order and there is always an element of luck in these things!

Just to be fair... though I didn't open this thread until I finished the book...

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I thought the description of Fred's death and the moments that followed were excellent... "The world had ended, so why had the battle not ceased, the castle fallen silent in horror and every combatant laid down their arms?"

Moments like this in your life do seem to defy the normalcy of life going on around you...

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REGINAROADIE

Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:51 PM

Although you have to wonder. Now that the series is over, what will she do now? She has more money than the Queen, so she could just easily say "bugger it" and retire. Or will she actually create new books that are separate from the Harry Potter universe? Of course, she could always fall into that trap of never eclipsing her previous successes. I mean, when you create a book series that is second only to the Bible as the most printed and most read bit of literature ever made, it's obviously going to be a tough act to follow. And the most famous authors ever could never really be known for more than their biggest successes. I mean, J.R.R. Tolkein never got past THE LORD OF THE RINGS and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, even after doing what he always wanted to write (historical fiction), was not recognized beyond Holmes.

Mind you, C.S. Lewis is recognized just as much for THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS as much as he is for the NARNIA series.

If she says "I'm never going to top the massive success I've had with Harry, so I'm not going to try.", I can respect her decision. But if maybe years later she does decide to write something new, I hope Harry Potter doesn't cast too big a shadow over it.

Maybe she could learn from Joss. Even with FIREFLY flopping, at least he's not known JUST for BUFFY/ANGEL.

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MSG

Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:46 PM

Um in the scene where he shows Dumbledore the patronus Snape specifically mentions he never uses it in front of anyone... so that's why no one in the order knew...and since he'd forbidden Dumbledore to say anything...

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

SAB39

Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by msg:
Um in the scene where he shows Dumbledore the patronus Snape specifically mentions he never uses it in front of anyone... so that's why no one in the order knew...and since he'd forbidden Dumbledore to say anything...

Not in my copy he doesn't. Here's the full quote:

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"But this is touching, Severus," said Dumbledore seriously. "Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?"
"For him?" shouted Snape. "Expecto Patronum!"
From the tip of his wand burst the silver doe: She landed on the office floor, bounded once across the office, and soared out of the window. Dumbledore watched her fly away, and as her silvery glow faded he turned back to Snape, and his eyes were full of tears.
"After all this time?"
"Always," said Snape.
And the scene shifted [...]

DRU

Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:58 PM

I thought it was the best book in the whole series.

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:07 AM

Just had a thought. We never find out why Hagrid's "broken wand" works when no other broken wand will. I seriously doubt Dumbledore would snap it in half, were it up to him, but it probably wasn't up to him...

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

AMITON

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:36 AM

Done (maybe I'm slow...but I had other stuff to do, too).

Honestly, I'm not disappointed with the book or the resolution to the story at all. Things fell out about like I expected them to. I do have to admit that this wasn't my favorite *book* of the series. My personal issues? First off, I felt like I could feel the hand of the author a lot in this book. Nothing to pull you out of the story quite like reading something and thinking "how in the hell does that fit here?" It made several of the plot advancements feel really forced to me. Second, much like in the beginning of OOtP, Harry spent the story on my last nerve as a whiny little -- something or other. I understood why the character had to react that way in OOtP, and it was part of the plot. At this point I just wanted Voldy to wax him so he'd shut up. While I'm on the topic, Dumbledore is a dick. Props to JKR for making a character that you can get behind so fully and then have her just filet the entire premise that you've been brought in on. I think she meant to redeem him some, but he still deserves a good kick in the jimmy in my book. Conversely, I never quite got on the Snape-haters bus as fully as I think I should have, and I'm sure he was supposed to be redeemed quite a bit as well, but he still deserves a good kick, too. Maybe just in the shins instead, though. The body count was weird for me. Yeah, people we know were dropping all over the place, injured or otherwise, but it almost like there was no outside world for the first time in the series. Minimal interaction with the wizarding or the muggle worlds, and it just felt really sterile to me.

Like I said, I like the books, and this one was pretty good, but some of the disappointments I found in it make me quite a bit less sad that the series is over.

Amiton.

P.S. - I believe JKR when she says she's going to steer clear of HP, or at least that she has honest intentions to. I don't think she's ever going to get clear of the spectre, and I don't think she's going to have near the success with her future works unless/until she relents and puts some work back out in the HP-verse. She's always going to have decent sales on anything she puts her name on just out of popular recognition, but she's going to lose a lot of the phenomenon status just because it's something different. I think if she actually goes with the western series she's been talking about for a few years as a follow-up, somebody is going to get their feelings hurt.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:38 AM

Umm, Hagrids wand works about as well as Ron's did when Ron broke his and tried to spellotape it back together...

If ya noticed, Hagrid's spell throwing isn't exactly...umm, wellll... *giggle*

-F

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:47 AM

So then how come he never got a new wand? His name was cleared; seems like that would be the time to go get a not-broken wand. It's just one of the things that bugged me throughout the series, I thought it might get addressed. *edit* Also, Ron's wand behaved a good deal worse. It did things at random, backfired, etc. Hagrid's wand is very well-behaved in comparison, and he's admitted he was 'never great shakes at magic'.

Rowling has said she might write a Harry Potter encyclopedia type book, with profits going to charity like those of "Quiditch Through the Ages" and "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them". Beyond that, I think she'll at least take a break from writing. She deserves it and she can afford it.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

SOULOFSERENITY

Monday, July 23, 2007 12:45 PM

Okay, I've just got to post.

I finished the book around 3:30 Saturday afternoon, and ever since then, I've been in a funk. I'm physically depressed, as strange as that sounds. I loved the book, but I HATE the fact that it's over. I can't stand knowing that as it stands right now, there will be no more Harry Potter. Please tell me that I'm not the only one, and that I'm NOT crazy!!

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Monday, July 23, 2007 3:11 PM

It is sort of like coming to the end of a long journey and thinking...what a great trip oh but I can't go forward

I thought Dumbledore's comment implied he hadn't seen Snapes patronus in a long time ( which would mean he didn't show it to the order) and I went back and can't find a single instance of Snape using it...

Ok and I thought that answer " Always" was heart wrenching...

Also..may I say Molly Weasley kicks ASS!!

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:21 PM

I'm sorry, Soul, but I'm happy with it now. The things I don't think were resolved satisfactorily could fill maybe ten pages, and that's really not a lot. I'm glad it stayed good (have to say I was worried she might be losing her touch a little after Order) and will remain forever good.
Maybe it's something only a bitter former X-phile feels, but it's better to end a story while it's still great than to keep forcing it just because it's successful. X-files and Star Wars both, actually, have proven that an entire story can be ruined if part of it is bad; it all seems pointless - even if parts of it were brilliant - if it ends (or begins) badly.
I'm not depressed. I'm not sorry it's over. I think it's as perfect as it will get, and forcing another book when she's done telling the story could possibly just ruin everything.
Be happy that it will always be perfect

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

DEATHISMYGIFT

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:24 PM

Picked up my copy at 12:10am, read the entire bloody weekend and finished Sunday around 3pm.

I feel very vindicated having debated with several people over the outcome of a particular charcter. (Not sure if we're suppose to spoil here or not)

I am going to be brutally honest. I did not enjoy the majority of the book. Hiding in a tent for more than 400 pages sort of made me frustrated while waiting for something to happen. But once things started to happen I couldn't put it down.

The only deaths I cried about was the witch and wizard who had just had a baby. (Naming no names as aforementioned spoiler alert)

Albus.

Severus.

My heart melted.

"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer

MSG

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:27 PM

It's ok to spoiler in here...just nowhere else...
and I am right with you...did the I told you so dance to friends who felt Snape was a bad guy.
I know.. he was a Slytherin and the bravest man I ever knew...sob

I know it was so sad about Lupin and Tonks... I did start to feel like it was a bit too Blair Witch what with the lost, danger, whining, fear...camping.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

LEIASKY

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:41 PM

I, too, think there needed to be a higher price paid in deaths. When kids can live through what went on while their teachers fall like flies around them, is just a little bit unbelievable to me.

I knew my favorite would die, Snape, but I was NOT expecting Hedwig to die. I loved that owl!

"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."

MSG

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:44 PM

I know it stopped me reading for a good 5 minutes of sadness...
I think it's 'cause the teachers are more front line and in more danger and the kids are second line and therefore get attacked only after teachers have fallen...

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

DEATHISMYGIFT

Monday, July 23, 2007 3:46 PM

Picked up my copy at 12:10am, read the entire bloody weekend and finished Sunday around 3pm.

I feel very vindicated having debated with several people over the outcome of a particular charcter. (Not sure if we're suppose to spoil here or not)

I am going to be brutally honest. I did not enjoy the majority of the book. Hiding in a tent for more than 400 pages sort of made me frustrated while waiting for something to happen. But once things started to happen I couldn't put it down.

The only deaths I cried about was the witch and wizard who had just had a baby. (Naming no names as aforementioned spoiler alert)

Albus.

Severus.

My heart melted.

"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer

DEATHISMYGIFT

Monday, July 23, 2007 4:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TamSibling:
Still, aren't they all about raging hormones? Just kidding ...

Man, I thought the same thing. I told my gf, "Harry is alone with Hermione in that tent for that long and nothing happens? Aren't 17 year old boys only thinking about one thing?" and She said, "Yeah but he has a lot of other things on his mind."

It made me think of Xander. "I'm a seventeen year old boy, looking at linoleum makes me want to have sex."

"it's always complicated and at some point someone has to draw the line and that is always going to be me. you get down on me for cutting myself off but in the end the slayer is always cut off. there's no mystical guide book, no all knowing council, human rules don't apply. there's only me....i am the law" -Buffy the Vampire Slayer

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Monday, July 23, 2007 4:28 PM

I finsihed it last night !

Hedwig & Moody's deaths hit me hard..I really felt so sad for Harry loosing his familiar.He had so much loss already.Then Moody's death followed so quickly after that.It was heartbreaking to think he just fell.
Remus & Tonks shattered me too.They are favorites of mine.Knowing that Teddy grew up safe made the blow easier.

I loved learning about Dumbledore's past .
Percy coming in at the end made me happy . The Weasleys who deserved some happiness after their loss..

I thought the story moved at a quck pace & was never disappointed.Rowling remained true to the charachters & story as a whole .

19 years later...that part was so sweet.Learning that Harry & Ginny ,and Ron & Hermione lived on happily with their families was a perfect ending
I am grateful for the happy ending

I will admit I was wrong about Snape being a bad guy.But he was still creppy and hateful.

Molly kicked ass !!!!

The Centaurs & house elves kicked ass !!!

Neville kicked ass !!!!

Bryce
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" A revolution without dancing ,is a revolution not worth having.." V

ZEROKIRYU

Monday, July 23, 2007 4:36 PM

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Originally posted by DeathIsMyGift:
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Originally posted by TamSibling:
Still, aren't they all about raging hormones? Just kidding ...

Man, I thought the same thing. I told my gf, "Harry is alone with Hermione in that tent for that long and nothing happens? Aren't 17 year old boys only thinking about one thing?" and She said, "Yeah but he has a lot of other things on his mind."

And Harry said that he never thought of her like that, he always thought of her as his sister.

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MSG

Monday, July 23, 2007 4:40 PM

yeah not every guy is attracted to all women...in fact I don't know any guy 17 or not who'd jump any woman at all...and if he thinks of her as a sister then the thought wouldn't occur to him ( though it appears to have occured to Ron)

LA- oh come on no creepier than Dumbldore wanting to rule the muggles and getting his little sister killed in a fight..and lying to Harry and planning to sacrifice him, and being a bit power mad...actually Dumbledore was scarier to me than Snape. All that under the surface...but I like the theme of redemption and how even after a bad choice or series of bad choices that led you to act or becoem evil, you can still work your way back and make amends and becoem something good

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, July 23, 2007 4:50 PM

Yeah, I know there were Harry/Hermione 'shippers out there, but they were never the ones who had sexual tension. Not once did he look at her that way, while Ron was starting to stew and act stupid over her by book four.
Even if they had, though, nothing could have really happened because it was a 'kid's book'. This relates back to my mini-rant about a book that really should be adult not being allowed to be adult. Even in Half-Blood Prince, when I'm sure things were getting a little heavy with Ginny, it was all skated over. Most we got was that there were 'stollen moments' and Ginny was asked if it was true Harry had a tattoo on his chest.
Violence okay! No sex, though!

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Monday, July 23, 2007 5:02 PM

MSg..I admmit Dumbledore was creppy too.But he changed his views & redeemed himself.
As did Snape.

I spent so long not liking him,that I don't know if I can like him ,no mater how he helped.I do admire him though.

What he did to save Harry & help Dumbledore was brave . And it was awesome to see his memories of Lilly's friendship & I even felt bad for him when she told him to go his own way.

I was pleased to be wrong about him

I also thought Harry would die ..and was thrilled to find out at King's Cross that he was only mostly dead

Bryce
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SAB39

Monday, July 23, 2007 5:12 PM

Voldemort: You died, Mister Potter...
Harry: Seemed like the thing to do...

[time passes...]

Harry: You wanna meet the real me now?!

RIVERGIRL

Monday, July 23, 2007 5:17 PM

Finished Saturday night coz I cant stop reading threads like this

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:32 AM

SAB39 ?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHaaa, that was great.

PR ?
On thinkin about it, you might be right, my own best guess would be Hagrid having Mundungus slip him a new wand on the sly, and concealing it in the umbrella - that makes the most sense, and being that he was expelled, even if later exonorated and is "not supposed to do magic", and his furtiveness about it, seems to fit that theory pretty good.

Just a thought on the matter.

-F

AUDDIE

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:05 AM

i was in my car by 12:04 AM saturday morning with my very own copy of deathly hallows. and this.. is from someone who is usually in bed by 9!!!

i finished the book by 11:30 saturday night... would've finished sooner if my sister would have left me alone. every ten minutes she was texting me asking what was happening.. who died and so forth.

everything that happened wasn't too shocking for me. i figured on the people who died (i knew a twin was going to.... think i'm gonna cry again!!!!)

now all that is left is to start the series over again and take my time reading each one.

did anyone else find it a little funny how JKR ended it?

"The scar had not pained Harry for ninteen years. All is well."

think she could write another book when she feels the need????

just makes me wonder (or at least wish.....)

SNAPE IS/WAS GOOD!!!!

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by sab39:
Voldemort: You died, Mister Potter...
Harry: Seemed like the thing to do...

OH! Did anyone else kind of sit up straighter when Harry told Hagrid to "just keep flying"?

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:39 PM

Yeah, Rose, I noticed that too.

SAB39, way too funny.

LA, I am with you, Percy hopping out of that tunnel just made me smile so big. It was even more poingnant when he refused to leave Fred's body for a few moments (did anyone else notice that George was not really present in that scene, or did I just read it too fast?)

I also thought it was a bit creepy that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were working to make "a better world". I kept seeing Chewitel's face playing Grindelwald.

I know I have mentioned it elsewhere, but Dobby was actually the saddest of all the deaths for me.

And Neville certainly kicks ass.

~jimi
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MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:41 PM

So, can I just mention that I picked up my book on a whim Sunday night, when I saw it at Shaw's market? Oh yes, and the card-holder price was $20. (I borrowed a card LOL!)

Anyway, I took yesterday off to read it. Thoroughly enjoyable. The things that bugged me didn't bug me enough to be a problem, because the plot was twisty and turny and fun. (I'm not a huge fan, didn't have a pile of expectations and guesses going into it, I'm sure that helped.)

I mostly enjoyed all the little stories embedded in there, the little backgrounds on people and the three brothers myth and such. I do really like Snape - mostly because Alan Rickman plays him, and I looove his voice. The depth of Dumbledore, that he's not such a pure, untarnished hero, was fabulous.

But, really, I don't think this a book I'll re-read and love forever. It was totally plot driven, and honestly I didn't feel for any of the characters personally. I felt most of the dialogue was about advancing plot, instead of letting me see more depth in the characters (the kind of thing FF is so good at.)

And the plot got a little too fancy at times. I'll agree with some folks that I saw the hand of the writer a whole lot. Molly at the beginning really annoyed me, keeping the big three separate with wedding chores so they couldn't talk. I mean - not likely! There was a lot of that - little contrived things to slow done the revealing of facts and make time pass so the story would take up the required school year term.

And this confused me: when Harry had his face all whacked out by Hermione's spell, Lucious kept demanding that Draco ID him. Doesn't Lucious know perfectedly well what Harry looks like? I mean, even if it's been a year since he saw him...

The reasoning for Mrs. Malfoy, at the end, calling Harry dead, didn't work for me either. Sure, she wanted to be on the winning side, but the baddies were closer to winning at that point. If she told them Harry wasn't dead, they could finish him off and be the winners, possibly ending the battle right there so she would go rescue Draco. Giving Harry a chance seemed to put Draco in more danger. OK, so maybe V wanted to go after Draco as a failure, but that wasn't the reasoning given.

I just feel that was a big moment, make or break for the whole climax, and it didn't carry for me.

Yeah, so that's a lot of critical, but I did find the book really entertaining. So much pressure and spotlight on Rowling, and I think she lived up to it.

Oh, but the 19 years after happy happy stuff? Hated it.

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WASHSYOUNGERSEXIERBR

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:42 PM

I finished it monday night though i did work 17 hours wanting to be able to read it!

I was surprised how LOW the death toll was! I expected one of the main three to die! Though i was choked up at the death of Dobby and moreso at HEDWIG! How could they???

And i feel sorry for Harrys kid- hes got a godawful name. Albus Severus Potter?

www.myspace.com/didxl

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
she wanted to be on the winning side

No, she wanted her son. She was a mom; it wasn't about winning or losing.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

SAB39

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:12 PM

I'd really like to see a fanfic set right after the ending of the main part of the book, in which Ginny gives Harry hell for abandoning her in a school under the control of Death Eaters for a year.

Didn't he realize that as a known love interest of his, she was in so much MORE danger there than she would have been if she'd been on the run with him, out of the reach of the Death Eaters?

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
she wanted to be on the winning side

No, she wanted her son. She was a mom; it wasn't about winning or losing.

Absolutely! But the way she wants to help her son is by getting on the winning side (I think I recall that being said pretty explicitely... I could be wrong.) Which is fine - but lying about Harry didn't seem the obvious choice to me. Not from her point of view. How could she be sure one small lie would lead to Voldemort's defeat? How did she know the good guys would forgive her and her family for all they'd done?

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PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:27 PM

Actually, what's said is that she wants to get to the castle as soon as possible, and that's all that matters. Saying that Harry was dead meant marching immediately to the castle. That's what I got, anyway...

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Actually, what's said is that she wants to get to the castle as soon as possible, and that's all that matters. Saying that Harry was dead meant marching immediately to the castle. That's what I got, anyway...

Hmmm... must read again...

But I still think there were better ways to handle it, better arguments. Seemed contrived, and was too important a moment for that.

Yes, I'm nit-picky.

But like I said, these little things didn't stop me from really enjoying the book. Overall, thumbs up from me. I just pity the folks who are going to try to make a movie out of it. So much was happening, and there's so many characters! It needs to be like 6 hours long LOL!

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SAB39

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Actually, what's said is that she wants to get to the castle as soon as possible, and that's all that matters. Saying that Harry was dead meant marching immediately to the castle. That's what I got, anyway...
Hmmm... must read again...

The book said something like the only way she could go to the castle would be marching there victorious with Voldemort. It wasn't about actually being on the winning side, it was about letting Voldemort believe himself to be victorious now so he'd have his triumphal march to the castle. It didn't matter to her that once he got there he was doomed.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sab39:
The book said something like the only way she could go to the castle would be marching there victorious with Voldemort. It wasn't about actually being on the winning side, it was about letting Voldemort believe himself to be victorious now so he'd have his triumphal march to the castle. It didn't matter to her that once he got there he was doomed.

Which helps her get into the castle... how? Which protects her son... how? Wouldn't taking one more minute to kill Harry - who she hates and sees as The Enemy of herself and her son - be a lot more obvious a path for her to take?

And keep in mind - this isn't her thoughts we're being shown, so the hysterical/illogical protective mother thing doesn't work. This is Harry working out her reasoning, and he doesn't read minds. All he's seen from her is hate hate hate hate Hermione torture and hate.

(Edit: oops, did she torture Hermione, or was that Bellatrix? I'm so confused... but the point being, Harry's seen all bad of Mrs. Malfoy up to then, right?)

I'm just saying - the motivations of the character who backed up his false death should be in character and fit Harry's prior observations. To me, it was neither of those.

Obviously, I'm in the minority LOL! That's cool, I'm used to it.

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:15 PM

It was Bellatrix who tortured Hermione.

I think the Malfoys had a change of heart partway through this book, when they might have realized that being a part of Voldemort's regime wasn't the healthiest life choice (the random killings when Harry et. al. robbed Gringott's). Lucius had already lost favor with the Dark Lord several times, and was wandless, so it might have even been a vengeful type move on her part, for him tossing their loyalty aside so casually in pursuit of nothing but his own goals. *shrug* Just some speculation, though. It seems like Draco had a similar change of heart partway through, when Harry saved his ass twice (of course, the fact that a Death Eater was threatening him leads to the belief that they had already fallen/showed signs of turning).

~jimi
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PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:26 PM

Yeah, Bellatrix was the nasty one with the hate, hate, torture, and hate. We don't actually see much of Narcissa, and what we see of her (aside from being a silent snob at the Quiditch cup) is her trying to protect and stay close to her son. She wanted to get in and find him ASAP. Harry had just survived a killing curse; why would she think another would finish him off?
Had it been Bellatrix, I'm sure she would have acted differently.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

MSG

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:31 PM

Yeah and when it opens and the deatheaters are at the Malfoys Voldemort says Lucius doesn't want him there...I think they are watching him try to turn their son into a monster and realizing just how awful VOldemort is and that he can and will kill them and their son at any time just to amuse himself...think they started thinking maybe it's not such a good thing to be with Voldemort.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

SAB39

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:43 PM

Don't forget at the start of Half Blood Prince she was already ready to go against Voldemort's direct order to keep a secret, in order to try to get Snape to help protect Draco as he tried to kill Dumbledore.

Admittedly Harry didn't see that, but it's well-established in the series that Narcissa's primary concern is for Draco's well-being, and her support of Voldemort is very much secondary to that, a sort of family loyalty without any real passion behind it.

EMBERS

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:10 PM

I got my book at 1 am Friday night/Saturday am
(the lines were long at B&N!)
I finished reading at 11 am on Sunday....
I was completely unspoiled (thank heaven)
and I'm STILL feeling kinda depressed.

IMO the body count was too high for a children's book:
killing Harry's pet was cruel (and taking Hedwig's life while she couldn't fight back, but was stuck in a cage was really mean).

I actually loved the book, I really enjoyed having Dumbledore's dark history unfold in such an interesting way...

I cried a lot over Dobby's death... but that didn't compare to how I wept over Fred.
I really felt that killing off Fred was short sighted, because The Adventures of Fred & George was a book we were all dying to read, but no one wants to read about the boy with no future.
besides, it would have made sense for Percy to die defending his siblings, it would have been a bit cliched, but we would have all been happy about it!

But it is a brilliant book, the fitting end to a great series. I'm glad JKR was able to finish her masterpiece in her own way.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:56 PM

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Originally posted by sab39:
Admittedly Harry didn't see that, but it's well-established in the series that Narcissa's primary concern is for Draco's well-being, and her support of Voldemort is very much secondary to that, a sort of family loyalty without any real passion behind it.

OK, so, I don't question that Narcissa had motivation, I just question how it was presented (Harry's POV and questionable logic). Really, it was just one small example of how the hand of the writer is more present in HP books than I like. I didn't see the character Harry reasoning this out; I saw the author explaining/justifying an important plot twist. It ruined the moment for me.

Again, that's just me, and I regret focusing on it so much. I bow to the overall entertaining-ness of the book, and I'll stop nit-picking now!

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FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:59 PM

Actually, I think the Malfoys kinda got the thought somewhere in there, that maybe it wasn't such a good idea to help Voldy take over everything just so they could be his bitches.

In fact, that thought right there stickin in my head, it surprises me that certain folk, including much of Slytherin, supported him - cause that would be my house in such a world, and no way in hell I woulda supported him.

Would you ?

Mrs. Malfoy was lookin for a spot in Voldy's back for a knife ever since Voldy sent her son on a blatant suicide mission as retaliation for the Malfoys lack of faith in him - so between the chance to save her son AND stick it to Voldy, you bet she was gonna do exactly what she did.

Didn't surprise me a bit.

-F

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
In fact, that thought right there stickin in my head, it surprises me that certain folk, including much of Slytherin, supported him - cause that would be my house in such a world, and no way in hell I woulda supported him.

Yeah, I was surprised when the Slytherin table completely emptied before the battle. I thought she'd set it up that the Slytherins weren't ALL evil, and maybe a few would stay to fight. Oh well!

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
OK, so, I don't question that Narcissa had motivation, I just question how it was presented (Harry's POV and questionable logic). Really, it was just one small example of how the hand of the writer is more present in HP books than I like. I didn't see the character Harry reasoning this out; I saw the author explaining/justifying an important plot twist. It ruined the moment for me.

No, my point this last time was that Harry was aware of all of this, having seen it both firsthand and in his visions.

Good point on the Slytherins, both of you, I would have thought that at least some would have stayed, though someone (Aberforth, I think) brought up a good point that they had just set free a load of potential hostages, Death Eater children).

By the way, Mary, I'll have some more beer ready in time for D*C. You want me to put a couple of bottles aside for you ? *hugs* (caffeinated candy beer and honey weisen)

~jimi
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EMBERS

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
I didn't see the character Harry reasoning this out; I saw the author explaining/justifying an important plot twist. It ruined the moment for me.

I didn't see that Harry needed to reason anything out...
he had no reason to lie to her,
no advantage he could hope for...
he was still just surprised not to be dead.

At least that was the way I saw it.

Harry simply told the truth, and it was Narcissa's decision to lie.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
No, my point this last time was that Harry was aware of all of this, having seen it both firsthand and in his visions.

OK, I missed your point - sorry! And surely I wasn't aware of the full situation with Narcissa... I still would'a like it better if, say, she'd just helped him and the explanation came afterwards or something. Whatever!

EDIT: Embers - uh... I never said Harry was lying. I'm criticizing the writer's choice of what she put in that paragraph stating Narcissa's motivations... OK, OK let's all just agree to disagree, all right? So not a big deal. (But I'm not changing my mind LOL!

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By the way, Mary, I'll have some more beer ready in time for D*C. You want me to put a couple of bottles aside for you ? *hugs* (caffeinated candy beer and honey weisen)

Oh yeah baby!! Did I ever give you feedback on the others? Gorramn fine! The caffeinated stuff rocks! (I like dark beer.) You want some mead?

Um... and on with the HP discussion!

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RIVERISMYGODDESS

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:03 PM

I would love some mead, any that you want to send me. The last stuff you sent was divine.

~jimi
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MSG

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:06 PM

OK so , on average, how many times do you each plan to re-read the series?? I'm going for probably 5 or 6 more times per book

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:31 PM

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I would love some mead, any that you want to send me. The last stuff you sent was divine.

Gettin' right on it...

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DONCOAT

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:21 PM

I finished DH about 2:00 PM Sunday. I was wondering where the thread was for it. Well, now I know that.

Some of my favorite moments:

Hagrid is dead!!??!! ...Oh, wait, no he's not. Jo, you evil little...

Firefly/Serenity memes, especially in the escape-from-Privet-Drive scene and its aftermath. "Have you found the nav sat?" "Uh, Sir... we found seven." And then, Hagrid: "...Where's Hedwig?"

The Conversion of Kreacher. Wonderful to see the crazy old elf come around.

Luna's bedroom, with her pictures of Harry and Co. knitted together with a ribbon saying friends... friends... friends. Made me think of the Browncoats.

Ron leaving, then returning, and Hermione's most unexpected reception for him.

Harry's wand! I almost lost hope at that point. How could he win without that? ...although the book's cover art suddenly made more sense.

Neville, the brave hero and leader of the DA at Hogwarts. And Ginny, who will not be kept out of the battle, no matter what.

The return of Percy.

Fiendfyre. That should be a challenge for the filmmakers!

The house elves joining the fray armed with cleavers against wands.

The desanctification of Dumbledore.

The redemption of Snape.

Kickass Mama Weasley. Kickass Peeves. Kickass Trelawney.

The strange lack of consequences for the Malfoy clan. Were they all spared because of Narcissa's help for Harry at a critical moment?

Still wondering about a few things. Rowling could easily fill a book just tying up loose ends. What about Umbridge? The surviving Death Eaters? Who took over at Hogwarts? What do the trio, and Ginny, and Luna do in later life? (At least we know Neville is teaching.)

Overall, a very satisfying read. I'll probably start a slower-paced reread shortly.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

SAB39

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:13 PM

Oh my... rereading... Fred at the wedding saying something like "When I get married everyone can wear what they want and I'll put a full Body-Bind curse on mum until it's over..."

"When I get married"... *sniff*

MAGDALENA

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:28 PM

I know it was strange that the Malfoys became somewho impotent in the end. I had such high hopes of Draco turning out to do something to redeem himself - along the lines of Harry's lesson in 'The Chamber of Secrets', it's the choices we make... he could have turned 'good', kind of balanced Tom Riddle turning evil, but even after the trio saved his life in the room of requirement he wasn't shaken up enough to take a long hard look at himself!

I was glad we got the full story about Snape's love for Lily... it made more sense to me that he loved her for almost all his life, and that he never loved anyone else... When I reread his death the moment when he asks Harry to just look into his eyes, and he dies feeling like he's connected with Lily again... wow...

I got a lot of Christian connitations in this one. There were some really valuable life lessons, but there was also a very powerful sense of 'Christ going to the cross' when Harry was walking into the forest without saying goodbye, knowing that Voldemort had to kill him and he wouldn't defend himself. Later I understood that a little more when it became clear that the same self-sacrifice Harry had made had protected all the others from Voldemort, and the message of Christ's death on the cross is that everyone has an opportunity of new life becuase of that sacrifice. I don't mention this to push my own faith or anything - but I have heard that Joanne is a Christian herself, and rarely talks about it becuase she didn't want people to speculate about the possible ending of the books... I can see why now.

It seems so obvious that he did exactly what Lily did with much higher stakes, but despite the first hand experience of that occassion, Tom Riddle (yes, I liked Harry diminishing him to his given names) did not learn anything about love and deep, old magic...

Oh so much more to ponder - much, muich more to discuss... but I must go to bed...

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MSG

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:10 PM

Oh I just loved all the unexpected turns, but I really liked that Dumbbledore became human for the first time...well for us and Harry anyway.

It does finally explain why Snape can never stand to look Harry in the eye and when he does, he backs down every time.

I love the idea of Neville being a teacher at Hogwarts( I am assuming Herbology)

Yeah she could have done lengthy explainations of everyone's outcomes, but I think it's enough to know the main ones...

I am re-reading it now to find all the little details I missed:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

SPACEANJL

Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:30 PM

Sheesh, you guys read slowly. Took me just over four hours to whip through that li'l sucker.

Sorry, but the epilogue made me barf. I'm going to pretend it never happened, and finish with Harry sacking out with a sandwich.

But Snape? Woot!

PENGUIN

Sunday, July 29, 2007 4:08 PM

MsG...I guess you get to do the "Snape is good" victory dance!!

I SOOO wanted him to be bad!

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

PHOENIXROSE

Sunday, July 29, 2007 4:12 PM

Reading it again this weekend, and I'm just wondering what took Harry so long realizing where the diadem was. Seems strange to me that it wouldn't have seemed familiar the instant he saw the statue. I mean, he'd touched the gorramn thing! It taking so long to sink in seemed odd.
Also, a lot of things didn't seem to tally with last books. The whole thing of his Cloak being one of a kind, but all others looking just like it? "Silvery Invisibility Cloak" was always the description; it was never indicated that his was special. Even saying there were different types could have explained it, but they all seemed the same until this book. I've wondered about other things throughout the series like that; things never talked about, even in passing, and then there they are, and are talked about for the rest of the books. Hogsmeade, never mentioned until the third book, and then a deal. Thestrals, never mentioned (except as 'invisible horses') until the fifth book, even though Harry should have been able to see them from the start (having seen death as a baby, as confirmed by Voldemorts memories of the night) stuff like that. I still adore these books, but it seems kind of lazy.
Oh, and I don't think she could fill a whole book with what ended up happening to everyone. Maybe, if she really strained it, but that would be lame. I think even a few extra pages in the epilogue could have given a lot of info on some things that weren't tied up as neatly as maybe they could have been. Maybe there will be a few missing pieces filled in by the Encyclopedia she has some tentative plans to release, though!

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

BOBBIWIB

Sunday, July 29, 2007 6:21 PM

I was pretty sure Harry was going to die.. so I was surprised there!!! ^_^

*Browncoat Bobhen*

RICKKER

Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:41 PM

WellI took my time. went to a concert that Fri so didn't do the midnight opening. Had to be at work at 6am Sat. Got the book after work but it was my birthday and I HAD to goto my sisters for a BBQ. Sun took my nephew to see Order of the Phoenix. So didnt really get started till Sun night. Finished at midnight thirty Tues/Wed, then took it to my nephew after I was done at the comic shop. The deal we have is I buy for him but I read first. Loved it. Did seem bogged down at points but still awsome. They were still kids and were trying to sort things out so they were a bit lost in the woods for a while. I new Nevel was gonna be a hero almost from the begining, his killing the snake with the griffindors sword, a true member of the house of griffindor. New Snape was good and it was because of Lilly. As for Harry seeing the invisible flying horses that was explained. He was to youg to comprehend what had happened, it wasn't untill the V man killed Cedric in front of him did Harry know death.

PHOENIXROSE

Monday, July 30, 2007 5:03 AM

No. Sorry. It wasn't explained. It was never even discussed within the books. And it didn't say "Those who can see thestrals are those who have seen and understood death" or "those who have known death" but simply "those who have seen death". Those who have watched someone die. The eyes that can see a thestral are eyes that have seen life snuffed out. Harry was standing and holding the bars of his crib and saw his mother die, with his very own innocent eyes, when he was a year old, and should have always seen the thestrals. Not being able to understand what he was seeing doesn't change what he saw; that's just fanon explination, unless you can point to something Rowling wrote that says otherwise.
It just feels like she wasn't always sure what was going to be introduced from book to book, and didn't put in any foundation for it. Or she just wanted something new and unexpected and mysterious every book, and didn't think about there being no foundation for it or having contradictions. And it seems a little lazy.
Saying that, I have read most of these books upwards of seven times and I love the series; I'm just at the nitpicking stage right now.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

BOBBIWIB

Monday, July 30, 2007 7:44 PM

The way JK Rowling could get out of that would probably be to say that Harry wasn't really Harry then, and launch into some vague semi-scientific diatribe about the events of your life shaping who you are :P or, her old classic: as a child Harry wasn't capable of making decisions and so wasn't Harry because, of course, 'it is our choices that make us what we are'
I doubt she'd bother though - that's just what I'd do to appease the people who'd caught me out!!! xD

*Browncoat Bobhen*

DONCOAT

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:33 AM

Actually, PR, Rowling herself gave the explanation about "knowing death" in an interview. (Unfortunately I don't have a reference, but I've read it on the HP Lexicon and/or Leaky Cauldron site.) So it's not fanon, but it's also true that it's a post-justification. I think Rowling just missed that point and had to come up with a semi-reasonable rationalization.

To be honest, I'm a little bemused (good word, that) by your complaint about her introducing new elements in each book. Did you really expect to have the entire complex story foreshadowed in every detail in Book One?

I have the opposite impression: that Rowling did a great job of planting subtle clues and hints about coming attractions in the early books. There are numerous examples, but I'll give two from Philosopher's (aka Sorceror's) Stone: Ollivander hinting about the importance of Harry's wand being Voldemort's wand's brother, and Ron's rat Scabbers (who turned out to be a good deal more than he seemed).

And how about a big one from Chamber of Secrets: the whole book revolved around the enchanted diary, but even so we never learned the critical importance of that object until Book Six.

I don't have any problem at all with the various inconsistencies and contradictions. In fact, I'm amazed at how few of those there are in such a long and complex story. I recently heard an interview with the guy who performs the audio books of the HP series. He mentioned that he had to do something like 140 different voices for the characters in Order of the Phoenix alone!

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I'm pointin' right at it!

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:06 PM

No, of course I don't expect everything to be foreshadowed in book one (though, as you pointed out, much of it was. Gridelwald was mentioned in Stone and not again til Hallows, etc) but having everything stay consistent is different. Just, as an example, in Goblet the village of Hogsmeade is mentioned as out-of-bounds for those below third year in the start-of-school anouncements, but it was never alluded to in the first two books. Now, that wouldn't have given away any plot details or anything, it's just inconsistent. It still would have been a new thing for book three if it had been mentioned before, but never seen. We find out that the Hogwarts Express actually pulls in to Hogsmeade station in Phoenix, so the village could have been mentioned as where the train station is, if nothing else. My complaint isn't that she introduced something new each book, but that she avoided even mentioning said things in previous books so that they would be totally new, even when they should have gotten a few words. Not everything. A house-elf was totally new and probably would have been mentioned. That one's cool. See what I'm saying? My complaint is that, though it might not be the case, she just kind of made up this new thing for the story when it should have been mentioned before, and it seems slightly lazy. Rowling is an excellent writer when it comes to keeping you reading, but if you actually analyze her writing and her stories, there are little problems like that, and a lot of derivative things. It doesn't really decrease my enjoyment of them much, but when you read them as many times as I have, things start to pop out as being a little off.

And, I just finished up my re-read last night, and the thing about the Malfoys just wanting to weasel their way into the castle as soon as possible was something Harry knew from a conversation between Lucious and Voldemort that he was in Voldemort's head for, so that explans the conclusion he came to about Narcissa a bit.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

MSG

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:11 PM

Thanks Penguin:) I know you did...but I was so pleased...( mind you this is all Alan Rickman's fault as I wouldn't have been so attached to Snape had he not been the actor playing him)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

PHOENIXROSE

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
I wouldn't have been so attached to Snape had he not been the actor playing him)

I knew it!!! Snape groupies are all just Rickman groupies!

I am immune because I can't stand the movies.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:48 PM

It wasn't until I read Snape's death scene a second time that I realised he asked Harry to look at him so he could see Lily's eyes one last time before he died. That made me very sniffly.

Loved the book. I think it was the best written of any of the books so far. It certainly moved at a furious pace.

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MSG

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:42 PM

Yeah it's Alan elegant evil that makes Snape more attractive...I still would have concluded he was a good person because of all the hints and clues, but I would have been less passionate about it.

It also explains why , when disciplining Harry, Snape always backs down when he looks in Harry's eyes.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:01 PM

I gotta go with Alan Rickman adulation too - he's Goooood, not only does he bring Snape's nastiness right up front - he also throws in some obvious frustration at Harry's tendancy to be just plain DENSE! (c'mon, even the most adoring fan has wanted to slap him a time or two, even Minerva has at him for it!)

The occlumency scenes really highlights Snape's frustration with Harry's lackluster efforts in his own defense, Rickman totally delivers the goods in that one.

His best line tho, is the sardonically delivered one on the doorstep of Umbridges office.

"Unless you wish to poison mister potter, and if you did you'd have my ut-most sympathy, I'm afraid i cannot help you..

I LOL'ed.

-F

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:03 PM

Oh, I almost forgot! JK Rowling wrote a complete ending for each of the main characters, where they ended up 19 years later and so on, but didn't get to include it in the book. This covers the stuff she left out.

Select to view spoiler:

SPOILER ALERT: Those who do not wish to know what happens to the
characters after the book ends should stop reading here.

Rowling said the world was a sunnier, happier place after the seventh
book and the death of Voldemort.

Harry Potter, who always voiced a desire to become an Auror, or
someone who fights dark wizards, was named head of the Auror
Department under the new wizarding government headed by his friend
and ally, Kingsley Shacklebolt.

His wife, Ginny Weasley, stuck with her athletic career, playing for
the Holyhead Harpies, the all-female Quidditch team. Eventually,
Ginny left the team to raise their three children -- James, Albus and
Lily -- while writing as the senior Quidditch correspondent for the
wizarding newspaper, the Daily Prophet.

Harry's best friend Ron Weasley joined his brother, George, as a
partner at their successful joke shop, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes.
Hermione Granger, Ron's wife and the third person of the series' dark
wizard fighting trio, furthered the rights of subjugated creatures,
such as house elves, in the Department for the Regulation and Control
of Magical Creatures before joining the magical law enforcement
squad. The couple had two children -- Rose and Hugo.

Luna Lovegood, Harry's airily distracted friend with a love for
imaginary animals who joins the fight against Voldemort in the Order
of the Pheonix, becomes a famous wizarding naturalist who eventually
marries the grandson of Newt Scamander, author of "Fantastic Beasts
and Where to Find Them."

And what Muggle, or non-wizard, song would have been played at the
funeral of Albus Dumbledore, the most brilliant and talented wizard
the world had ever known?

"Surely 'I Did It My Way' by Frank Sinatra," Rowling told her fans,
referring to the song "My Way," written by Paul Anka but popularized
by Sinatra, among other singers.

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MSG

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:22 PM

LOL DTH love the " spoiler"

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

SPACEANJL

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:52 PM

*snicker*

Now, I have a completely different version of the future, myself.

It involves the flying motorbike, an unexpected animagus,some nastiness with six inch roofing nails, and a really pissed off snake demon in Europe.

Just a thought - some of these folk have another year of school to go, or to make up. (Hermione miss out on examinations? I don't think so.)

Would you like to be the Auror Recruitment Officer that tells Harry Potter that he doesn't have the paper qualifications for the job?

MALACHITE

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:28 PM

I've got a quick question. I might have been reading too quickly, but I didn't get who "Victoire" was in the epilogue. She seemed to be a female who was perhaps going to marry Ted. Harry then states that such a marriage would make Ted truly part of the family. Does this make her Harry's daughter? Her name seems appropriate, given Harry's "victory" over Voldemort.

DAPHNE

Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:18 PM

With the french name, I'm thinking Victoire is Bill and Fleur's daughter.

I am also a Snape fan although I thought after book 6 that it would turn out he had made an unbreakable vow with Dumbledore. I knew he had a thing for Lily. The "look at me" and "always" were heart-breaking. Snape really had no choice but to see Harry as his father, to recognize Lily in Harry would have been too hard for him knowing he was somewhat responsible for her death.

I originally thought the epilogue idea was kind of cheesy but liked that Harry honored Snape and recognized his bravery in the end. Also nice to see that Percy was still Percy and that Neville had found his place at Hogwarts (and in my version of the future as head of Gryfindor, while McGonagall was Headmaster).

I really thought Narcissa's final motivation to lie was seeing that Harry had once again survived Voldemort's killing curse. She was already angry for what Voldemort was doing to her child and now Harry appears unkillable.

Dobby was really the hardest loss (I knew Snape would have to die so it wasn't as shocking), Tonks and Lupin were done for as soon as they made Harry godfather.

I liked that JKR let Dumbledore have some weaknesses instead of making him a saint. I also don't think Dumbledore could have told Harry the full story before he chose to sacrifice himself. I think Harry had to truly think he was going to die. If he knew that he wouldn't then the old magic would not have been invoked.

DONCOAT

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 1:33 AM

JKR has confirmed that Victoire is Bill and Fleur's oldest child.

That scene can be a bit misleading, if you imagine that Teddy is there to get on the Hogwarts train. He's too old, being nineteen at that point. But JKR was clever -- James says "he came to see her off", so he's not on the way back to school. Victoire must be at least a couple years younger than Teddy.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 3:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Just a thought - some of these folk have another year of school to go, or to make up. (Hermione miss out on examinations? I don't think so.)

Would you like to be the Auror Recruitment Officer that tells Harry Potter that he doesn't have the paper qualifications for the job?

I think that defeating the most evil and powerful Dark wizard to ever walk the Earth would qualify one for graduating with honors, don't you?

I <3 the future history of all the characters there! That's just what I would have chosen for most of them. Wasn't sure where Ginny would have gone, but that's a great wrapup for her.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

DAVESHAYNE

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Would you like to be the Auror Recruitment Officer that tells Harry Potter that he doesn't have the paper qualifications for the job?

Only important if Harry wants the job. He did say he'd had all the excitement from life he wanted already so the only reason for him to apply would be if he needed the money. Which from the very first book it is shown that he doesn't.

David

"Looks like we got here just in the nick of time."

BROWNCOAT2007

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 9:22 AM

The only thing I wanna say was that the Harry as a Hurcrux dealie got me excited that my prediction that both Harry and Voldemort would die... which I wouldda frakin' loved!!! It's not that I hate Harry or anything, but be realistic folks, a 17 year old kid would probably NOT be able to kill a (centuries? ) old, POWERFUL dark wizard... also it would have broken from tradition and that in and of itself would have given Rowling a HUGE boost in my eyes as an author... the whole "19 years later" thing got way to cutesie for me after all the deaths in the book... what was with that? and the Remus and Tonks getting married, haveing a kid, and then getting axed without them ever really being in the story Lupin/ Tonks are my two most favorite characters in the entire series next to Mad Eye... Mad Eye died the way I felt he should have though, and for that I am greatful... and, yes, the Dobby death really got my tears going, but for some reason, the Fread death didn't do much for me... I guess because it was just so sudden and all "Fread's dead... moving on" ... and this has become much longer than "the only thing I wanna say..." But, yeah, best Potter EVER next to "Goblet of Fire"

SPACEANJL

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 10:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
Just a thought - some of these folk have another year of school to go, or to make up. (Hermione miss out on examinations? I don't think so.)

Would you like to be the Auror Recruitment Officer that tells Harry Potter that he doesn't have the paper qualifications for the job?

I think that defeating the most evil and powerful Dark wizard to ever walk the Earth would qualify one for graduating with honors, don't you?

Work with me here. All you need is one little jobsworth having a Percy moment, and he could have himself a very bad day.

I was rather sad that the only way forward for the female characters seems to be 'wife and mother'. (Then, I feel that way about life most of the time...)

Interesting thought on another character here - Lavender Brown got bitten by Fenrir, didn't she? That's going to put a cramp in her social life. I just had a flashback to Willow - 'three days of the month, I'm a bitch to be around, too.'

DAVESHAYNE

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 2:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat2007:
(centuries? ) old

71 years assuming my math is correct. Riddle was 16 when he first opened the chamber of secrets and made the book horcrux. That happened 50 years before the events of Chamber of Secrets. Add 5 years to get to Deathly Hallows.

David

"Looks like we got here just in the nick of time."

PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, August 1, 2007 3:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
I was rather sad that the only way forward for the female characters seems to be 'wife and mother'.

Quote:
Ginny Weasley stuck with her athletic career, playing for
the Holyhead Harpies, the all-female Quidditch team. Eventually,
Ginny left the team to raise their three children -- James, Albus and
Lily -- while writing as the senior Quidditch correspondent for the
wizarding newspaper, the Daily Prophet.

Hermione Granger furthered the rights of subjugated creatures,
such as house elves, in the Department for the Regulation and Control
of Magical Creatures before joining the magical law enforcement
squad. The couple had two children -- Rose and Hugo.

Uh-huh.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

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