Vote for Firefly (& Break a record Friday?)! VIII

POSTED BY: FlatTop
UPDATED: Sunday, October 14, 2007 15:44
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SISTER

Friday, October 12, 2007 10:38 PM

hubba, hubba

RAYCHEETAH

Friday, October 12, 2007 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sister:
hubba, hubba

Zoot zoot.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

WACKYNEPHEW

Friday, October 12, 2007 11:25 PM

1st time today that I've gotten through to this board. Been votin though. Vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, October 12, 2007 11:28 PM

"RIGHT - stop that, it's silly!
let's have some order here shall we?
Right then - proceed with the VUMPing."

LAURELTON

Friday, October 12, 2007 11:37 PM

Voting and voting...

AYCEOFSPADES

Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:17 AM

vumptastic

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:37 AM

V - for VUMP

hey bubba - you stay the hell away from my parking space y'hear!

WACKYNEPHEW

Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:59 AM

Vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

WACKYNEPHEW

Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:43 AM

'nother vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

RAYCHEETAH

Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:44 AM

That's a wrap. 20 votes. I'll be in my VUMP!

'Nighters!

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:11 AM

still votin'!

WACKYNEPHEW

Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:18 AM

Vump from work...

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:31 AM

old heroes never die...
they just hang out together by the beach hut VUMPing!

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:01 AM

"damn i love my ship" nathan fillion

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:55 AM

vump! bote!
vump! BOTE!
VUMP!! BOTE!
VUMP goddammit! would it kill ya to vump already?
kinda up to you now aint it!

RAYCHEETAH

Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:36 AM

VUMP and back again!

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

LEADB

Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:54 AM

It appears our favorite voting site is down, and will stay down until FlatRich decides how to deal with some cheating.

Please read this for details.
http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_frm/thread/590c087c882dd
534#

FEDEXXX

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:18 AM

Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

MRBEN

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

I hope you're right, as it would appear from the lexxfans site that the program was voting for firefly too.

mrben

"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org

SISTER

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:41 AM

good morning...hope everything's straightened out vump.

LEADB

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:52 AM

fedexxx: For what it's worth, I'm happy to accept your apology.
Part of the problem Rich has to deal with is it sounds like if it did work, it would have gotten used. My guess is he's trying to decide amongst:
1) Discontinue the poll.
2) Put in checks for autovoters (hard to tell a slightly randomizing autovoter from someone willing to pull all nighters like Ray).
3) Put in a 'check for human behind key board'
4) Disregard it as a false alert.
5) Something clever I can't conceive of.

The problem with 4) is that the reality is there's nothing to stop someone 'determined and competent' from writing an autovoter. I'm sure Flyvote could tweak Flyvote to be an autovoter. The difference is Flyvote (the poster) was smart enough to understand all the warnings on Rich's site that autovoters would not be tolerated.

I don't think that 2) can be done effectively.

My guess is he will go with 1) or 3); I'm hoping 3). Or perhaps he'll decide that the autovoter threat has not materialized and he'll be comfortable with going back to the status quo.

RAYCHEETAH

Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mrben:
Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

I hope you're right, as it would appear from the lexxfans site that the program was voting for firefly too.

mrben

"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org]

Gorram right!

The first reported attempted use:

http://www.lexxfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1994

Was March 20 of this year. That was months before I even heard of TV Vote... And, it was also 206 voting days ago. If you multiply that by 24 hours, that's a potential 4,944 illegitimate votes... For ONE user. If there were say, three users of this form of digital voting steroids, that's a potential 14,832 votes that a number of shows could lose: Lexx, Firefly, Roswell... And, intermittently, Charmed, X-Files, and BSG, as well.

It also throws into question such particulars as our recent voting triumph; we might still have gotten by if, for example, 72 of our votes each day for the past 74 were invalid, but, I dunno for sure.

So, yeah, best to hope that it never worked. I also hope Rich is able to extract data on spurious 24 hour voting streaks (the kind for which no sleep was lost) without great difficulty, hopefully speeding up the process of correcting this.

It has been said, "Cheaters never prosper."

Well, in something like TV Vote, what's even the point? Even if no one ever catches you (and, given the safeguards in place, they eventually will), what possible satisfaction can be gained from it?

Oog.

-Raycheetah =-[.]-=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

AYCEOFSPADES

Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:04 PM

He'll probably do something like - when you vote you have enter in a code/word - you know, the kind the have to stop spammers and auto sign-ups

It's a shame, esp if it affects us and all the hard we did. I doubt it should cus we've been over 1k way before this autovoter came in and our votes haven't seen a sudden rise. That program was never posted on any firefly site so hopefully it shouldn't affect us.

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

RAYCHEETAH

Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:54 PM

Ermmm... Bump?

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

FEDEXXX

Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:56 PM

I already posted on the google group, but I wanted to write to you specially. If this is real final and the poll gets closed because of us - I have no words to say how sorry I am. However we should look optimistic at it - Firefly is first and will remain in the history as number one on this site and also as the most incredible fanbase, which had 75 consecutive days of 1000+ votes. It's not so bad for Lexx either, because we're still in the top 10. I'm only sorry for DS, who will be cut off from their chance of getting in the top 40 and for BSG, who wouldn't be able to get in their rightful top 5 place.
I'm still sure the script didn't work however.
Dunno what I can say.

Most important of all - Lexxians are extremely grateful for the help you gave us. I'll start voting for Firefly on tvtally from now on to show my gratitude. We're forever your friends! You kept us in the top 10 this long! THANK YOU!
Now let's not say goodbye, because I still think this is not over, but if that really is final, we'll forever remember the Firefly fanbase with good, no matter what you may think of us now :)

ONERING

Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Ermmm... Bump?

yeah same here.
use to my morning work vump.

DERANGEDMILK

Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ayceofspades:
He'll probably do something like - when you vote you have enter in a code/word - you know, the kind the have to stop spammers and auto sign-ups

It's a shame, esp if it affects us and all the hard we did. I doubt it should cus we've been over 1k way before this autovoter came in and our votes haven't seen a sudden rise. That program was never posted on any firefly site so hopefully it shouldn't affect us.

I have no doubt that adding a 'are you a human?' jumble-producer would have no repercussions on our vote tallies what-so-ever and I really hope that that is the way Rich proceeds so that we Browncoats can prove we weren't a part of the cheating.

We may "aim to misbehave" but if we ever kill you, "you'll be awake, you'll be facing {us}, and you'll be armed."

So if this is the end, thanks to all you helped run the site, flattop and the other number crunchers here at fff.net, and sister and all the other regular vumpers. At least we came out on top. Hopefully we'll get a chance to smash a few more records though.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

FINEHAT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
Mmm yeah. Sorry about that... I'm n5-kopele there, you can read my answers. I don't think the program ever succeeded.

I started voting for Lexx based on your request, and this is what you were doing? Dragging us in to your cheat?? We didn't even have a choice. Say what you want, you deserve a kick straight in to the engine.

If your hand touches metal I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:07 PM

wha -? huh? - wha- huh?
confused - Vump???????

STILLFLYIN2

Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:48 PM

Just on thinking about this, the cheaters were still only getting about 250 per day. If the cheat was working, they would only need about 10 people to reach that. With just the number of Browncoats that were voting honestly, not counting the other folks that were helping them, that would throw their cheating votes even lower.

Makes me think either cheat program really wasn't working or something is wrong with my thinking.

RAYCHEETAH

Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:51 PM

Oog, Wytchcroft...Did you just walk face-first into this drama?

Here's that link, again:

http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_thread/thread/590c087c88
2dd534

See also:

http://www.lexxfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1994

For my part, I am very glad to have come here and made so many good Browncoat friends here, just vumpin.' Nicer, still, that I see so many of you on other threads, or, even, on the other boards I frequent, as well.

Let's see what Jos... Er, I mean, what Rich has to say, in the end?

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

SISTER

Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:31 PM

..poop...now what do I do every hour....(and no, don't go there).

LEADB

Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by StillFlyin2:
Just on thinking about this, the cheaters were still only getting about 250 per day. If the cheat was working, they would only need about 10 people to reach that. With just the number of Browncoats that were voting honestly, not counting the other folks that were helping them, that would throw their cheating votes even lower.

Makes me think either cheat program really wasn't working or something is wrong with my thinking.

Fact of the matter is, Rich can probably look at the last few days logs and get a pretty good idea if the tool was working or not, and perhaps make some reasonable estimates of how many votes to remove.

The tool, as published, either voted solely for Lexx or for a group of shows; hourly voting, especially for continuous 24 hour periods, will be glaring in the raw stats. It also means that the 'upper end' of false votes for other shows is the votes tied to Lexx votes at the same time/ip.

The question is, does Rich want to bother doing the analysis. No idea; it's a nasty bit of work to have foisted upon him. My guess is it will turn out there's only a few folks that ever got the tool to work, and the adjustments will end up being less than 100 votes a day for Lexx and probably less than 50 a day for FF. Here's hoping that after any analysis that Rich decides the false voting was marginal and he either slaps a relatively minor deduction to the shows that benefited from it; and then clamps down on future auto voting. But that's just me thinking out loud.

RAYCHEETAH

Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:16 PM

Oog. Now, we have a Bonanzai who is taking this opportunity to lay accusations of malfeasance at Firefly's feet:

"I have to say it concerned me that all of a sudden Firefly voters started to get a tremendous increase in the number of votes every day, from about February/March which just didn`t ring true somehow. In comparison Bonanza fans everywhere were
encouraged and constantly reminded to vote legitimately in the various show forums as we got closer to 250,000 votes, to get Bonanza into the Hall of Fame. Bonanza, WE all know got into the Hall of Fame legitimately, we did not need to cheat to get there and to this day the committed voters are still voting - legitimately. "

http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_thread/thread/590c087c88
2dd534/c0374f596bbb9ebf

...As if, while Lexx sometimes couldn't break 250 votes/day, with their own program, propagated on their own, rather obscure site, to their own people, Browncoats of course took it and ran with it, basing our tremendous success on it thereafter.

I really hate that this whole... relationship... with Lexx has placed us under suspicion, and, invalidates our achievements before the rest of the TV Vote community.

This is turning into a gorram nightmare. I'm actually beginning to wonder if some Firefly votes /might/ have been illegitimate. The whole notion sickens me.

-Raycheetah =-[.]-=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:18 PM

http://library.thinkquest.org/3890/SOLOLEIA.JPG
"Yeah? well watch this!"

V - U U - U u u m - p...

"Watch what?"
"It's not my fault"

"Sir, Sir - i might mention - i noticed the...

or to put it another way:

"Frack!"

but all in all...
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4a/250px-MalReyn
oldsFirefly.JPG
"you hear us arguing?"
"No..."
"Trap."

probably describes the situation best!:)

SHAMELESS

Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:35 PM

Ta ma de.

Pathetic. Not only is it cheating, and being proud of it, and "HAHA We should down the site go us dohoho", but it's also a gorram tv vote site! If you're going to cheat... can't even be about something worthwhile, can it? Thanks for dragging us into this, LEXX voters. Thanks a whole bunch. Real shiny of you.

But Fedexx, thanks for the apology. I don't like your view on it, but you seem to be sincere in the regret on how our fanbase's honor is being questioned.

------------------------------------------
RPG launcher bought in third world country illegally - $10
Landmines - $50 per
Attack/track dogs bred 1st class - $250-500 per
Highpowered assault rifles - $600 per
The look on your face when I show up on your doorstep with a bigfoot - ... Priceless

"You gotta love that the first pirated HD DVD is the one about space pirates who broadcast a video that the government wants to keep secret.

Can't stop the signal."
-reavers_ate_my_dvd

ELLEN

Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Oog. Now, we have a Bonanzai who is taking this opportunity to lay accusations of malfeasance at Firefly's feet:
... etc...

-Raycheetah =-[.]-=

Sorry about that - I'm in on most of the Bonanza sites, and I just want to let you know this is not a commonly held opinion.

- Ellen

LEADB

Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:24 PM

Thanks for the feed back Ellen. I know most of the bonanza crew is pretty reasonable.

LEADB

Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:46 PM

Looks like the auto-vote beast was DOA. No pull back on Firefly votes, and the site will likely be back in operation in a week or so:

http://groups.google.com/group/tv_vote/browse_frm/thread/6576dfc72ad8e
802/d37fc58550f557a6#d37fc58550f557a6

SISTER

Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:24 PM

....oh my goodness!! Back in One WEEK!!! I will be searching for things to do each hour until the return. Thank you RichLaBonte for not pulling the plug entirely!

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sister:
....oh my goodness!! Back in One WEEK!!! I will be searching for things to do each hour until the return.

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:29 PM

WYTCHCROFT

Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:30 PM

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/techchron/2007/05/29/livescr
ibe_pen_600_dpi_ps_1__Fost328x350.JPG

AYCEOFSPADES

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:57 PM

Glad the site hasn't been shut for good. On the down side we can't vump or bote anymore, only bump

On the plus side this gives a well deserved break to our hard working statisticians. So enjoy the quiet while you can, normal service will resume shortly (hopefully).

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

FLATTOP

Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:31 AM

Let's say our votes get zeroed out, along with Lexx & whoever else is determined to have been involved.

It'll take about 5.5 years for us to retake first place if we keep our daily average to 1,000 votes and the Xenites don't pick up more than an extra hundred or so per day.
I know the Bonanzai are outrunning the Xenites atm, but at current rates, it's still just an anomoly. Xena is the show to catch.

Goal 1. Back into the Top40. Call it 50k to buy in (haven't run the numbers, but that'll be close). We can hit that in as many days, if we drop our nominations for whoever we've been boosting. We can go back to helping our 'regular' nominations after we're back on the board.

Make for one hellofa set of graphs.

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RAYCHEETAH

Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:35 AM

Well, for the restless, there's always HeyNielsen!:

http://www.heynielsen.com/view/firefly/

(Firefly, Serenity, and, each of our BDHs has a section; add opinions, or rate existing ones)

and, Rankopedia:

http://www.rankopedia.com/ZoneID=3/32435/Mostactiverankings.htm

(Be sure to click on the Arts and Entertainment link on the left side, and, focus on Movies and TV; vote on any poll once per day)

And, good news, indeed, that the original cheat apparently fizzled before any real harm was done, except to Lexx. They'll get sacked for some points from the rotating IP guy, and, things should go back to normal.

Let's just make sure we come out of the gate, when TV Vote reactivates, swinging hard! We have a streak to maintain!

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

FREELANCERTEX

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:48 AM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw i can't vote now. or bote, or vump, or anything :-\ what shall i do until the site comes back?

Why'd it go down anyway?

__________________________
Have you ever wondered why in a dream you can touch a falling sky?
Or fly to the heavens that watch over you?

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."

A man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will show you his true self.

You can't take the sky from me...

RAYCHEETAH

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw i can't vote now. or bote, or vump, or anything :-\ what shall i do until the site comes back?

Why'd it go down anyway?

Scroll up a few, flt... Lexx was caught with old plans for a vote-bot. Said vote bot came as a Lexx-only program, or, a Lexx-plus-vote-traders-bloc option, which, unfortunately, included Firefly.

The morale of this story is: If you're gonna cheat, it's polite to ask other folks if they want to be involved or not.

So, Rich has shut the page down for a week, to retool some stuff, then, we're back up and running. We can still come here, reminisce about the VUMP old days...

Oh, and, discuss all the nifty polls on Rankopedia:

http://www.rankopedia.com/ZoneID=3/32435/Mostactiverankings.htm

and HeyNielsen!:

http://www.heynielsen.com/view/firefly/

Or, just get some gorram sleep.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

FREELANCERTEX

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:15 AM

oooh......who's Lexx? O.o

That sucks.

lol, I'm up for the sleep bit, long-ass day. Not an eerie-ass day, just a long-ass day.

__________________________
Have you ever wondered why in a dream you can touch a falling sky?
Or fly to the heavens that watch over you?

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar."

A man is least himself when he speaks in his own person. Give him a mask and he will show you his true self.

You can't take the sky from me...

WACKYNEPHEW

Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:00 AM

I can't remember the last time I just bumped a TV Vote thread....Bump?

Vote for Firefly at http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

"The lion and the calf shall lie down together but the calf won't get much sleep." Woody Allen

RAYCHEETAH

Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:46 AM

Goin' to bed early, gettin' up late tomorrow BUMP.

Kinda lonesome feeling, that.

-Raycheetah ='[.]'=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

BELCARRAN

Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Goin' to bed early, gettin' up late tomorrow BUMP.

Kinda lonesome feeling, that.

-Raycheetah ='[.]'=

I'm not the greatest vumper, and most of my voting is done quietly, but regularly, throughout most waking hours. But, wow, I can't believe how programmed I became to interrupting whatever I was doing, and walking over to the computer to vote and checking in on fff.net to see what people are saying. I still do it, or start off in that direction, but have to bring myself up short. Strange feeling.

SUASOR

Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:50 AM

We'll have to come up with a 12 Step Program for that.

Vumpers Anonymous, anyone?

FEDEXXX

Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:57 AM

I imagine you won't wanna continue the deal - perfectly understandable. If Lexxians choose to continue voting, I'll still vote for Firefly, BSG and Roswell each time I vote for Lexx, because I greatly appreciate the help you did for us.
You being included in the cheat program meant only good, please try to view it from that angle too. Yes, we should have asked you, I admit that's a big mistake on my part, I ADMIT IT, SORRY!!! It's not an excuse, but at the time, I still didn't know whether it worked or not. After we had a confirmation, that it worked, I was gonna come here and write personally to each of you, asking whether you'd want the program or not and spread it silently. That was my plan at the time, I didn't write openly, because rich was checking the threads and he'd discover us much easier than he did now. Perhaps it would have been better though. I never mentioned anything to anyone, because it didn't work.

Sorry for the discomfort we caused and for causing a question of your integrity. That was never our intend.
As I said I will continue to vote for Firefly and the rest of the nice folks. If you'd like to continue the deal with the baddies we are, you'll be most welcomed! If not, which is the more probable outcome, you won't lose my votes.

Wish you all the best!!!

SUASOR

Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:12 AM

Heynielsen.com is worth some effort, as it has grown enormously over the last few months (according to siteanalytics.compete.com), and is now got four times the traffic of richlabonte.net, and about the same as us at fireflyfans.net.

However, if you want a multiple vote fix, check out;
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/spacemovies/
index.php?url=spacemovies_serenity_00.jpg&cat=spacemovies

Where we are being beaten by Star Wars. I believe you can vote once a day. We were stuck at number 10 for a while, but a few Browncoats have managed to get us up to number six. There is more work to be done here.

BTW, just take the above URL and turn it into a new location item on your desktop. Click once a day, to get a needed fix.

Hey, does this make me a pusher?

SISTER

Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:01 PM

....sad sunday...no vump....*sigh*

LEADB

Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
I imagine you won't wanna continue the deal - perfectly understandable. If Lexxians choose to continue voting, I'll still vote for Firefly, BSG and Roswell each time I vote for Lexx, because I greatly appreciate the help you did for us.
You being included in the cheat program meant only good, please try to view it from that angle too. Yes, we should have asked you, I admit that's a big mistake on my part, I ADMIT IT, SORRY!!! It's not an excuse, but at the time, I still didn't know whether it worked or not. After we had a confirmation, that it worked, I was gonna come here and write personally to each of you, asking whether you'd want the program or not and spread it silently. ...

If you had contacted me 'silently' as you say it, here's what would have happened.

I would have explained, carefully, with links, that what you were planning on doing was clearly against the rules; I would have given you two days to 'come clean' with Rich on your own, after which I would have sent a note to Rich advising him on the situation if it was not made clear to me that he had somehow become aware of it.

Don't you understand that it's a 'warning flag' that you would even have thought of 'doing it silently' that what you were doing was wrong?

DONCOAT

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:11 PM

Well said, leadb. In situations like this, an under-the-radar deal doesn't pass the stink test.

Personally, I'm not even willing to participate in the kind of reciprocal voting deal that was in place between (some) Lexx fans and (some) Firefly fans. The whole point of the TV Vote site is to give an indication of the size and loyalty of a show's fan base. The only way that works is if every individual votes for the show or shows they really think are the best.

Why would I ever vote for Lexx, having never even seen it? Sorry, FedExxx, but that's the way I feel about it.

In my case, there are only three shows listed in the top 40 that I would consider voting for. Firefly is the only one of those I really care about; my occasional votes to the others are more of a recognition of their significance to me. There's one show I'd be happy to vote for if it were in the top 40, but it's not and I'm not willing to go through the effort of nominating it. So there you go.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

LEADB

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:25 PM

Just curious Doncoat; what would be that 'other' show you'd like to see in the top40?

GROTZ

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fedexxx:
I imagine you won't wanna continue the deal - perfectly understandable. If Lexxians choose to continue voting, I'll still vote for Firefly, BSG and Roswell each time I vote for Lexx, because I greatly appreciate the help you did for us.
You being included in the cheat program meant only good, please try to view it from that angle too. Yes, we should have asked you, I admit that's a big mistake on my part, I ADMIT IT, SORRY!!! It's not an excuse, but at the time, I still didn't know whether it worked or not. After we had a confirmation, that it worked, I was gonna come here and write personally to each of you, asking whether you'd want the program or not and spread it silently. That was my plan at the time, I didn't write openly, because rich was checking the threads and he'd discover us much easier than he did now. Perhaps it would have been better though. I never mentioned anything to anyone, because it didn't work.

Sorry for the discomfort we caused and for causing a question of your integrity. That was never our intend.
As I said I will continue to vote for Firefly and the rest of the nice folks. If you'd like to continue the deal with the baddies we are, you'll be most welcomed! If not, which is the more probable outcome, you won't lose my votes.

Wish you all the best!!!

It seems to me, that you are sorry for being caught. Not the cheating. To me that is worse.

A voting bot, for christ sake, think for few seconds, man. You cant do that, its wrong.

Vote for BDM/FF at http://stargate-news.com/

Never kiss'em on the mouth.

AYCEOFSPADES

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:34 PM

One thing we need to be careful of, I think, is keeping a hold of our voters.

I know a lot of us are regulars on here but now that there's no voting for a week, we may find we get out of our routine and then find it difficult to get back in. If this does happen and our votes drop, it may give credence to those thinking we were involved in the cheating.

So when the site is back up we need to make an extra effort, I believe, to show that our fanbase is strong and our votes genuine.

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

LEADB

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:49 PM

Good observation Ace; the one mitigating factor will be if all the other shows drop off a corresponding percentage. But yes, anything we can do to keep the numbers good.

Probably make a new thread the day we catch the polls re-opening, and cross posting to the various other FF websites; Raycheata has been posting to 5, we'll want to be sure to hit those as well.

RAYCHEETAH

Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:54 PM

Mornin,' vumpers.

4,612,636 votes were counted as of 10/12/07; not sure how many votes got through or were counted, subsequent to that, before Rich locked the site down.

Rich has declared his intention, at this point, to continue with TVVote until 5,000,000 votes have been cast in the Top 40. That leaves 387,364, +/-.

Just using the last counted day's total votes ('cause I'm too lazy to work up a daily average for the previous week =^[.]~=), 12,658, as a divisor, that leaves just over 30 remaining voting days, once Rich restarts things. That's 30 days to reach 500k.

At last count, we were 63,286 votes short of 500k. You do the math. Actually, I'll do the math: That would require us to get at least an average 2,110 votes each of the remaining 30 days.

Good news is, if we manage that, we will have gone over 100 days at 1k+ votes/day.

I don't have to spell out the bad news.

Anyway, I'll still be vumpin' like a wild man, right up to the bitter end. No one is ever gonna catch us up; Xena would have to crank out 1,051 more votes, each day, than we did, last recorded voting day (1,263), for 30 days, to beat us.

So, let's go out with a bang! Meanwhile, if you know ANY Browncoats who have voted but stopped, 'cause there was no end in sight, or, who have never voted, let 'em know we're gonna need 'em, next weekend!

I'll be in my training montage.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

SUASOR

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:00 PM

Yeah, I've been voting for Lexx, about ten times a day, for at least six months. That's about 2,000 votes for Lexx. I appreciate Fedexx apologizing and all that. But that doesn't cover for the original wrong. An anonymous (throwaway account, Bulgarian hackers might be able to hunt that down, so you could route it through an anonymizer as well) email to Rich, with the URL of the discussion about the cheat, would have done the trick. No more Lexx votes from me.

Quote:
Originally posted by DonCoat:
Well said, leadb. In situations like this, an under-the-radar deal doesn't pass the stink test.

Personally, I'm not even willing to participate in the kind of reciprocal voting deal that was in place between (some) Lexx fans and (some) Firefly fans. The whole point of the TV Vote site is to give an indication of the size and loyalty of a show's fan base. The only way that works is if every individual votes for the show or shows they really think are the best.

Why would I ever vote for Lexx, having never even seen it? Sorry, FedExxx, but that's the way I feel about it.

In my case, there are only three shows listed in the top 40 that I would consider voting for. Firefly is the only one of those I really care about; my occasional votes to the others are more of a recognition of their significance to me. There's one show I'd be happy to vote for if it were in the top 40, but it's not and I'm not willing to go through the effort of nominating it. So there you go.

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I'm pointin' right at it!

SUASOR

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:03 PM

True that. We will experience a substantial drop, but so will everyone else. We'll have to work our way back up again. At least we broke the record for consecutive days over 1,000. Don't look like we'll hit half a million in time for Christmas.

Quote:
Originally posted by ayceofspades:
One thing we need to be careful of, I think, is keeping a hold of our voters.

I know a lot of us are regulars on here but now that there's no voting for a week, we may find we get out of our routine and then find it difficult to get back in. If this does happen and our votes drop, it may give credence to those thinking we were involved in the cheating.

So when the site is back up we need to make an extra effort, I believe, to show that our fanbase is strong and our votes genuine.

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

LEADB

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Mornin,' vumpers.

4,612,636 votes were counted as of 10/12/07; not sure how many votes got through or were counted, subsequent to that, before Rich locked the site down.

Rich has declared his intention, at this point, to continue with TVVote until 5,000,000 votes have been cast in the Top 40. That leaves 387,364, +/-.

...

I'd say he intends to run it until 'at least' 5 million votes; he also mentioned other 'land marks' he'd be interested in seeing. My guess is he'll leave things run until at least the end of 2007; and it won't surprise me if as this problem fades into the past, the site will continue on. There's always 'some' land mark event coming up for some show.

AYCEOFSPADES

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by leadb:
I'd say he intends to run it until 'at least' 5 million votes; he also mentioned other 'land marks' he'd be interested in seeing. My guess is he'll leave things run until at least the end of 2007; and it won't surprise me if as this problem fades into the past, the site will continue on. There's always 'some' land mark event coming up for some show.

Yes, hopefully the poll will stay alive long enough for us to hit 500,000 votes. I would have loved to have seen us hit 1,000,000 but I think now the poll will close before that

'You can't take the sky from me'

Please click Pink Ribbon on Flyvote.

SISTER

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:40 PM

well, I've decided just to keep me in the habit of vumping I'm going to keep visiting here and bumping!

FEDEXXX

Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:40 PM

You're right, I'm sorry for being caught, not for attempting to cheat. Most of all right I'm sorry that the cheat wasn't real. Then everyone would have a real reason to be so angry with us. And I'm sorry for the effect it had on you and Rich. You have been a perfect ally and now we messed it all up. I imagine Rich is very upset about all this, but he's too professional to show it.

Again, I will continue to vote for Firefly, at least the first week, because I'm very grateful for you helping us out. Even if NONE of our previous ally voters is not willing to help us we still remain with good feelings towards you, so don't feel bad about pulling the plug on us.

One last thing - separate the show from its fans. Maybe you hate us a lot and find our ways disgusting, but if you like Lexx, please continue your votes. Or not. It's all up to you, the deal is obviously over.

Many thanks for the fruitful cooperation!

Love from Lexx!

SISTER

Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:41 PM

memory vump

DAVESHAYNE

Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:44 PM

New thread since this one is getting too big.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=31035

David

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

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