Joss' New Series

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FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:22 AM

Just posted on Whedonesque and here....

Joss has a new series!

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=972f7d73-e
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Post on Whedonesque:

http://whedonesque.com/comments/14600

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http://www.completehero.com

http://amazon.com/Serenity-Collectors-Nathan-Fillion/dp/B000Q9IZ5C

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:29 AM

More reportage:

http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report
/700000049

http://www.kidsneedtoread.org

http://www.completehero.com

http://amazon.com/Serenity-Collectors-Nathan-Fillion/dp/B000Q9IZ5C

ANONYMOUS1

Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:34 AM

Thud.

Joss like opened a door and there was no brick wall behind it.

Whoo-hoo!

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous1:
Thud.

Joss like opened a door and there was no brick wall behind it.

Whoo-hoo!

*hops around and does the happy Snoopy dance with Anony*

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DEEPLYKIDDING

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

*hops around and does the happy Snoopy dance with Anony*

Wheeeee!!! *hops around and does the happy dance with anony & followmal*

That's such shiny news! I'm so excited that it will be with Eliza D. I love what she brings to her roles, and am really looking forward to this one.

And it sounds like maybe F*x finally learned a lesson, lesson being the *correct* way to treat Joss, by committing to 7 episodes. Let's just hope they don't screw it up by messing with him too much. They ought to know to have faith in the man by now!

I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass...

NCBROWNCOAT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:10 AM

Sounds interesting. Let's see if Fox keeps it's end of the bargain.

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Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:19 AM

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FLORALBUNNY

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:26 AM

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!
*joins in Dance of Joy*

Only 7 eps?
*avoids looking Gift Horse in mouth*

*continues dancing*

*and getting into the candy*

*offers big bucket of little bars to all*

*back to the dancing*

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Frisky Browncoat
exhibiting seasonal weight-gain
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MONKSDAD

Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:22 AM

Good for Joss, Probably bad for Browncoats,,,, but I wish him well.

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JADEHAND

Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:34 AM

Well crap. That sucks.... I think I just died.

So this is what the afterlife is like eh? Reading that Joss, Eliza, and Tim will be working together. Good news indeed.
So... the questions...
If they start [working on the show]in Feb. Will this be a spring/mid season replacement?
Please FOX don't start them in the summer. That never works. I'd really rather wait until next September than have it start in the summer.

A man who walks the Earth

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:24 AM

*Crying tears of joy*

Honestly I am so happy I keep thinking this is some sort of trick.

IHAVEISSUES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:04 AM

the theme sounds stupid ... but he will probably manage to make it great.

I just hope he leaves some time to do the 2nd BDM!

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:08 AM

Soounds like a blend of The Island, Momento, Identity, and Total Recall (err, The Warehouse?), Jason Bourne.
Another female lead, maybe a kick-butt Operative they had to retire. Maybe she'll remember some of her "assignments" such as assasin and kick major behind - sounds kinda Whedonesque.

Did you see that part where he mentions "all these films" that he's working on?? Ehh???

DARKFLY

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:14 AM

THis show sounds cool but OMFG its on FOX (or FUX should I say) and only scheduled for 7 episodes means that if it gets poor rating they won't make the rest of the series.

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SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

sounds kinda Whedonesque.

First saw the title of this thread and thought, "I'd put money on that there's a female lead." Yup. Read the first posted article. Yup, "Whedonesque."

I have a feeling that this "burgeoning self-awareness" is going to start allowing her to keep skills, etc from her imprinted personalities and in the end allow her to be a master martial artist, weapons expert, expert in seduction, etc. Then we'll end up with a River sort of Buffy, but in a different futuristic sort of way. Perhaps in a realistic way, but in that direction none-the-less.

Oh well. At least, if done properly, Eliza Dushku will be able to show what kind of roles that she could possibly do in the future through this different personalities.

But, didn't Joss say that he'd NEVER work with F*X again? Ya, he did.

Didn't F*X do, "But the fact is, it was also somebody saying we trust that you can tell this story, and we love this story, so go and tell it. That's a damn boat of confidence."before and then it went away? *coughwonderfallscough*

I'll watch the first ep, but I have serious reservations about this. Not only because it's likely those 7 eps are the only ones that'll be made, not only because at a high level it's the same "poor girl now kick ass girl" stuff Joss does, but there is serious potential to completely fuck this up. It seems to me, that a plot line like this treads dangerously close to the bad cheesy/preching/corny/etc line.

We'll see... maybe... if F*X gets it out the door...

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THRAWN

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:19 AM

Ok, you all are missing something REALLY important about this.

When someone pitches a network a show, they buy a pilot. When they see the pilot, they decide whether or not to make the show. That's how it ALWAYS. WORKS.

He pitched this show to Fox, and they *immediately*, *WITHIN A WEEK*, gave him seven episodes. Not one, but SEVEN. Without ever seeing a Pilot; heck, without ever seeing a script.

This is a vote of confidence that's extremely unusual, and entirely unprecedented in anything Joss or Tim has ever worked on in the past. Deals this big never happen, and they NEVER happen this quickly. This "just seven episodes" thing is an unbelievably good sign, not a bad one. They wouldn't buy seven episodes if they didn't think this show was going to be a huge success. A full season buy without seeing a single script is something that has never happened to any show ever in the history of time; you all are acting like, since that didn't happen, then we're doomed to only seeing seven episodes. That is so completely not the case.

I, in fact, would say that at this point there is literally nothing more that Fox could do to show its belief and confidence in this project, nothing whatsoever.

JWHEDONADDICT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:29 AM

Can you tell I was excited? I started another thread on this subject without checking first.

I don't know whether I'm thrilled or scared...could it be a trick for Halloween? Plus, even if it's for real, it's FOX--who has given us more than enough reason to be afraid.

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WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:38 AM

joins in the excitement = staggers bemusedly - jumps up and down - grins..

BRINGITBACK

Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:49 AM

You know..Id hate to be the wet blanket on this...

I am completely and utterly pissed off.

Has anyone read the damn summary of the series??

Its bloody River all over!!

Girls that are 'implanted', the main lead trying to piece together her life and fight against the evil coporation that has taken advantage of her talents?? Are you KIDDING ME!??

Its Joss Whedon...taking his best River stories and putting a new spin on them. Completely killing off any hope we had for a return of our favourite browncoats.

This is officially the end of firefly/Serenity for mine..

I almost feel a little betrayed...Good luck to Joss on his new show..I wish him the best of luck crawling back to the network that treated him like garbage last time.

SHAMELESS

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Well crap. That sucks.... I think I just died.

Er... Why?

Anyways. GOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHY F*X??????!?!?!?!?!?!? Seriously??? I know they're "really excited" and "showed a lot of confidence", but they've done that with lots of other shows and still canned them. Drive. Wonderfalls. Dark Angel. Lots of stuff. Not only is F*x close-minded and terrible at business ("Hurr hurr, we didn't advertise our new show, it's not doing well, must be 'cause it isn't good. Let's not show it anymore. Oh a new show. People will watch if they don't know about it! Hurr."), they are also SERIOUSLY ADHD with their shows. It took a grand total of 8 days before F*x decided that Drive had had enough of a chance.

So, no. I don't care if they've order seven episodes already. They're going to get bored with it after the first two, and I'm pretty damn disappointed in Joss for lining up for a beating. Seriously shooting himself in the foot when there are so many other networks out there.

EDIT: Hey, to BRINGITBACK - I disagree. It kinda - ish - maybe - is a bit like River, but Joss is far too creative to be limited to something like that. Plus, Firefly is his baby that he is still holding out hope for. If he ever tells more of River's story, it'll be in the Firefly 'verse. He might be acting like he's desperate for a network, but he isn't desperate for ideas and stories. This is something different. Plus - wow, that's a very general way of describing it. There are LOTS of different ways that what you just said about "Girls that are 'implanted', the main lead trying to piece together her life and fight against the evil coporation that has taken advantage of her talents?? Are you KIDDING ME!??" That's a very, very, vague description that can be taken in many directions, and it's kind of like saying, "Sheesh, this is JUST LIKE THIS OTHER SHOW, where the girl meets the boy, but has this problem with dating the boy because she is actually an alien, but the boy doesn't care, and they risk everything to be together while hiding her secret". That's just too vague to say, "They're exactly alike! SELLOUT! COPYCAT! BOO!" I mean, really. No. Also? Firefly and Serenity is about so much more than River, and the 'verse is so much more different than the premise for Dollhouse, I really can't see much of a connection between the two. So try not to feel betrayed. Just be pissed that Joss is naive enough to go back to F*x.
And honestly, there are three things that could happen:

1. F*x screws Dollhouse over and Joss has more time for Firefly and Serenity, because Universe understands that in order to have a successful show, you must have ADVERTISING and MORE THAN EIGHT DAYS.
2. F*x screws Dollhouse over and Joss is seen as a crappy producer and writer and we never hear from him again.
3. Dollhouse manages to survive F*x's blundering and idiocy and makes Joss more popular. Universal decides to make a sequel, basking in the glow of the recent attention.

I doubt 2 can happen, since Joss has had projects killed and it hasn't killed his career.

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Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:54 AM

Fox?!? Is Joss high? Fox? Really?

Ok, so Joss and Tim are giving Fox another shot. Do they honestly think that Fox will get this show or give it enough time to find its audience?

Might as well start our Save This Show campaign now. *shakes head*

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Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:57 AM

I coulda sworn Joss had vowed never to go back to those F*X asshats?

Did his commitment for seven episodes, half the number filmed of Firefly, include a commitment to air them in the right ruttin' order? No time slot shell-game? No pre-emptions? Well, again, seven eps is a smaller target to hit with the usual F*X shenanigans... Mebbe.

Mebbe that's why he only got seven. Mebbe shoulda only got 2.

More importantly, since Joss has returned to TV(!), did this include a commit from F*X to resurrect the show we REALLY want to see? The one F*X holds the rights to, and, since they're makin' nice with Joss, again, really oughtta be doin' everything in their power to restore?

Sure, the new show will garner fans; I am more than a little annoyed that it is taken for granted that the pre-existing Buffy fanbase (yeah, I know, Eliza Dushku) is going to back this. What about the Browncoats? I guess we don't count? Or, did they kinda mebbe figger that we wouldn't be standin' at the back door, cunnin' hats in our hands, wonderin' about OUR show, OUR BDHs?

In fact, I am really annoyed that a ready-made fanbase is bein' taken for granted, at all. F*X is makin' this, only because it's Joss, and, because they know that all of his fans are gonna just fall all over themselves *SQUEEE!* about this. 'Scuse me, aren't we the same fans F*X has repeatedly robbed of not only Joss' shows, but, many, many others?

A smell a whole lotta "Let's get ourselves an interim fan draw to soften the blow of the impending writers' strike" comin' offa this plan.

Sorry, I cannot get excited about this, another series which will either:

A. Tank and drown after seven eps, to become another cult fave which makes F*X money hand over fist on DVD sales, or,

B. Do so very well that F*X actually supports it (for a while), though they scarcely have the right to share in any of Joss' success, and, a busy Joss' priorities have to shift away from older, already fading projects.

Like Firefly.

Bitter? You bet. Disillusioned with F*X? Check. Happy for Joss? Well... Let's see how this pans out, before I start smilin' about this new show. Not a huge Buffyverse fan, myself (that'd be the missus), the premise doesn't guarantee that I'll be interested in this, either. And, interest in a show, not who makes it, is why I watch TV.

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RAYCHEETAH

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:03 AM

I'm also thinkin,' mebbe someone oughtta email F*X the link to this thread. Then, mebbe, they'll have some inkling of the antipathy and distrust that even the most die-hard fans of Joss have for their network, after all the crap they've pulled over the years.

Just to be sayin.'

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GRIZWALD

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:57 AM

I want to be excited about this, but my cynical side also thinks the 7 eps thing was an attempt to get some stuff on deck before the writers' strike.

Edited: Nope, not that. They could go out on strike as early as tomorrow (Friday).

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Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:02 PM

it sounds dreadful, simply dreadful

and im a little tired of Joss "empowering" women, its becoming a one trick pony. Honestly his best female character was Zoe, no special powers, no abilities just a strong soulful woman who had seen a lot in life. I have no interest in this charmed/river/total recall teenfest. And on Fox ? Are words becoming meaningless.

Im gonna take my epsodes of firefly and treasure them but for me this dance is over.

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:35 PM

well i distrust f*x same as all - but hey!!

joss has a new freaking show!:) thanks Eliza!
a green light is a green light - not a locked door.

no show of Joss's has let me down yet.

i hope it does real well and a million offers flood the whedon homestead.

'bout frackin' time!

PDCHARLES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:45 PM

Somewhat excited. Only because Joss deserves a spot somewhere at all times. He's that good.
I know I'll give this "Dark Angel/River/Bionic" thing a good look.

*chuckles* Maybe the will be the end of the constant Fox Exec. bashing/jokes/we know, we know, we know, lemme guess u didn't like the cancellation thing. Oh wait. I just read this thread. Hee hee... You really want Fox to come see these threads? I'm sure it is at the top of their agenda.

Makes me wonder if they have already looked at resurrecting FF. They know they have made a killing on DVD sales and know what kind of following Joss has. The cost to make a FF TV series is probably far too high at this point. Maybe those questions will be answered sometime soon. ...or hopefully some fan will bash me with that knowledge.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, November 1, 2007 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownBug:

it sounds dreadful, simply dreadful

and im a little tired of Joss "empowering" women, its becoming a one trick pony. Honestly his best female character was Zoe, no special powers, no abilities just a strong soulful woman who had seen a lot in life. I have no interest in this charmed/river/total recall teenfest. And on Fox ? Are words becoming meaningless.

Im gonna take my epsodes of firefly and treasure them but for me this dance is over.

Well said about Zoe and the one-trick thing, but I'm not ready give up, just another bump for Browncoats. Or, maybe this gets him some more traction in medialand - any press is good press.
Yeah, F*X... that's tricky. I'm sure he and Tim have no illusions though, their big boys. Who better to make money off of? It's good to keep working too, so if there's nothing else, why not?
The show... eh, Alias anyone? I'm glad they're excited, sounds a bit lame to me.

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DERANGEDMILK

Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:01 PM

Quote:

I want to be excited about this, but my cynical side also thinks the 7 eps thing was an attempt to get some stuff on deck before the writers' strike.

Edited: Nope, not that. They could go out on strike as early as tomorrow (Friday).

No, you're right. The strike could start now but that doesn't necessarily mean it will, so the networks are still putting in advanced orders for all the scripts they can so they can still have some things shooting if/when the strike starts.

F*X is showing a good deal of confidence in Joss, but it still has a lot to do with the strike.

Say, you think he would have gone to NBC with something like this since they're on such a big scifi kick right now.
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Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:11 PM

Dollhouse, yeah it sounds like it could be good

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

But, didn't Joss say that he'd NEVER work with F*X again? Ya, he did.

They gave him a second kick in the teeth with Buffy Sing-along business, even abused puppy dogs return to their masters

Quote:
Originally posted by derangedmilk:

Say, you think he would have gone to NBC with something like this since they're on such a big scifi kick right now.

Heroes is doing great for NBC but some of NBC's sister companies are not doing good, Universal is having trouble beating back competition from new studios like Dreamworks, Lionsgate, Sony while its old rivals like Faux and WB seem to be doing ok. Scifi Channel also owned by NBC has seen some big flops this year, Painkiller Jane, BattlestarGalatcica and FlashGordon and its production of Skiffy B-movies have all seen their ratings plummet.

DEEPLYKIDDING

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:13 PM

Here are a few more articles about the new show - maybe a few new tidbits of info:

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/2007/10/joss_whedon_returns_
to_fox_wit.php

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117975136.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

Even though I always approach new tv shows with a bit of trepidation (so much bad tv out there), I will be looking forward to this show, as Joss is such a masterful storyteller. When I first heard the description of the show I thought "la femme nikita" (which I loved, both the French movie & the usanetwork tv show). But Joss is involved, and will make it his own story. Any echoes (sorry, unintended play on words) of previous incantations will be irrelevant because in Joss' hands (or from Joss' mind) it will be fresh, entertaining, and most likely mesmerizing.

I'm looking forward to spring...

I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass...

ZEEK

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:15 PM

I hope Chuck, Desperate Housewives, Terminator and Stargate atlantis all get canceled so our heroes can join the cast.

MACBAKER

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I hope Chuck, Desperate Housewives, Terminator and Stargate atlantis all get canceled so our heroes can join the cast.

WOW, that's like a Chuck fan saying, I hope that Firefly revival series gets cancelled, so "Chuck the Movie" can be made!

Instead of being happy for our favorite actors, you'd rather their source of steady income gets cancelled? That's pretty sad!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DeeplyKidding:
in Joss' hands (or from Joss' mind) it will be fresh, entertaining, and most likely mesmerizing.

You echoed my sentiments.

Chrisisall

SICKDUDE

Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:08 PM

Shiny, shiny, shiny!!!!!!

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sickdude:
Shiny, shiny, shiny!!!!!!

To tell the truth, the set-up for Drive seemed kind of corny, that, plus the title, made me expect it's demise.

Not so this time!!!!

Can't wait Chrisisall

SCOUSERATHEART

Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:39 PM

If the show really is about peoples fantasies and that these "dollhouse" beings can be "made into" the people to relive past or fantasized events, here is my pitch.

Joss - create a wealthy browncoat character whose fantasy is to see the 2nd season of firefly.

Now that is a set of 22 eps of dollhouse I would love to see!

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:40 PM

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:38 PM

bump

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:56 PM

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Screw Fox & the horse they rode in on.

JAKE7

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:06 PM

I posted on the other thread that I give it 1 and a half aired episodes before F*x cancels it.

I'm not even sure I'm going to bother watching yet another show that will surely get canceled in two seconds.

Me? Bitter? Nah...

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Screw Fox & the horse they rode in on.

Now now, Mr. Jong, young minds; fresh ideas- we must be tolerant.

Kirkisall

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:31 PM

This is the fox statement:

Quote:
Echo (Eliza Dushku) [is] a young woman who is literally everybody's fantasy. She is one of a group of men and women who can be imprinted with personality packages, including memories, skills, language—even muscle memory—for different assignments. The assignments can be romantic, adventurous, outlandish, uplifting, sexual and/or very illegal. When not imprinted with a personality package, Echo and the others are basically mind-wiped, living like children in a futuristic dorm/lab dubbed the Dollhouse, with no memory of their assignments—or of much else. The show revolves around the childlike Echo's burgeoning self-awareness, and her desire to know who she was before, a desire that begins to seep into her various imprinted personalities and puts her in danger both in the field and in the closely monitored confines of the Dollhouse.

aint it eeeeerily close to Executive Early in Finding Serenity...???

- snorts! -
a young woman who is literally everybody's fantasy...
The assignments can be romantic, adventurous, outlandish, uplifting, sexual etc

still glad it's happening though...

NINAH148

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:35 PM

Bleargh. So conflicted. I think anything Joss writes will be entertaining, but meh on Eliza, and the great ensemble and larger themes of independence and hardscrabble morality of Firefly/Serenity was a magic that the Buffy/Angel/Faith stuff could never capture appropriately. And FOX? Seriously?!?

I'm still hoping our BDH's continue to do well in t.v., so they can make the next Serenity movie on their hiatus. Dare to dream.

RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:48 PM

Why does Joss stick with Fox?

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:17 PM

sometimes y'gots to deal with badger - sometimes Patience on whitefall - sometimes fanty and mingo - and hell, sometimes you find yourself working for niska...

ALLIETHORN7

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:18 PM

YATTA!!!
You make me glad.
More Joss-i-ness ahoy!
Oh, and Fox? Prolly because some sort of contract or other- cuz, ya know it's full of lawyers and the like.

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this melody is tearing me apart

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Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
Why does Joss stick with Fox?

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The current song-and-dance is that "All the old faces are gone."

Ermmm... Those weren't the "old" faces that axed Babylon 5 years before F*X screwed us outta Firefly... Doesn't take the same cast of characters, only the same /lack/ of character:

http://dragoncontv.com/videos/67

(Hit "Play now" button)

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EMBERS

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monksdad:
Good for Joss, Probably bad for Browncoats,,,, but I wish him well.

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

oh no, no...
it is NEVER bad for Browncoats for Joss to be seen as successful and making money for other people...
Universal will get jealous:
"why is he making money for Fox, can't we think of another project he could do for us??
Oh, right..."

EMBERS

Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:20 PM

jeez I get the feeling that some of you would rather see Joss unemployed forever rather than gamble on Fox...
and let's face it: Fox are the only ones signing our people, and gambling their money.

I agree they have canceled things too quickly, which I'm sure is why Joss required a commitment of a minimum of 7 shows: so he could at least get a story arc told.
But if you can't get it on the air in the first place then you can't tell any stories at all!

Personally I loved reading how it all came about.... First of all that is quite a vote of confidence from Fox that Eliza Dushku was being offered the chance to be co-Producer (personally I think she wanted to avoid being stuck in something boring and repetitive like Tru Calling, where her character had no growth...and just did the same exact thing in every show...)

then getting this chance to come up with her own 'idea' she asks Joss to lunch so she can be sure to get good ideas (hey, that is what I would do if I could!) as well as names of people who would be capable of writing and running the show so the good ideas would work....

And Joss being so creative and wacky not only comes up with something that allows her to be a completely different person in every episode, but ALSO has this over riding story arc about her slowly discovering her own true self over time (and personally I think that that is genius: kind of about how most women spend their lives fulfilling other people's expectations, but hopefully do learn who they are and start fulfilling their own dreams)....

I see this idea of an object of fantasy becoming self aware as being chock full of metaphorical goodness, and just the kind of thing Joss & Tim will LOVE doing!

Anyway Joss also agrees to be exec producer IF IF IF Fox agrees to guarantee a minimum of 7 episodes so that he'll have time to get a story out before it is canceled....

and then he gets Tim Minear to sign on so that he, Joss, will still have the time and energy to do ' Goners' if it ever gets off the ground.

genius.

And it looks like Eliza is one smart cookie! I have to admire her for putting together a show that will show-case her talents... and let her work w/amazing people like Joss & Tim!

She was really smart to hit on Joss after his multi-scripts written for Wonder Woman had fallen on deaf ears, making it seem to him that movie making was actually more frustrating than television....

Why should be hesitate to be excited about this?!

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

Why should we hesitate to be excited about this?!

No reason at all my dear Embers!
Hmmm...I smell a lot of Emmy's comin' off this plan....

Thrilled Chrisisall

EMBERS

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
No reason at all my dear Embers!
Hmmm...I smell a lot of Emmy's comin' off this plan....

Thrilled Chrisisall

I knew YOU would agree w/me!
We've both been long time Faith fans...
and I'm so excited to know that Eliza is so smart about knowing where she wants her career to go, and who she wants to work with!

Even Thrilleder Embers

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
oh no, no...
it is NEVER bad for Browncoats for Joss to be seen as successful and making money for other people...
Universal will get jealous:
"why is he making money for Fox, can't we think of another project he could do for us??
Oh, right..."

Exactly!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Embers:
jeez I get the feeling that some of you would rather see Joss unemployed forever rather than gamble on Fox...
and let's face it: Fox are the only ones signing our people, and gambling their money.

I agree they have canceled things too quickly, which I'm sure is why Joss required a commitment of a minimum of 7 shows: so he could at least get a story arc told.
But if you can't get it on the air in the first place then you can't tell any stories at all!

Personally I loved reading how it all came about.... First of all that is quite a vote of confidence from Fox that Eliza Dushku was being offered the chance to be co-Producer (personally I think she wanted to avoid being stuck in something boring and repetitive like Tru Calling, where her character had no growth...and just did the same exact thing in every show...)

then getting this chance to come up with her own 'idea' she asks Joss to lunch so she can be sure to get good ideas (hey, that is what I would do if I could!) as well as names of people who would be capable of writing and running the show so the good ideas would work....

And Joss being so creative and wacky not only comes up with something that allows her to be a completely different person in every episode, but ALSO has this over riding story arc about her slowly discovering her own true self over time (and personally I think that that is genius: kind of about how most women spend their lives fulfilling other people's expectations, but hopefully do learn who they are and start fulfilling their own dreams)....

I see this idea of an object of fantasy becoming self aware as being chock full of metaphorical goodness, and just the kind of thing Joss & Tim will LOVE doing!

Anyway Joss also agrees to be exec producer IF IF IF Fox agrees to guarantee a minimum of 7 episodes so that he'll have time to get a story out before it is canceled....

and then he gets Tim Minear to sign on so that he, Joss, will still have the time and energy to do ' Goners' if it ever gets off the ground.

genius.

And it looks like Eliza is one smart cookie! I have to admire her for putting together a show that will show-case her talents... and let her work w/amazing people like Joss & Tim!

She was really smart to hit on Joss after his multi-scripts written for Wonder Woman had fallen on deaf ears, making it seem to him that movie making was actually more frustrating than television....

Why should be hesitate to be excited about this?!

No hesitation on my part! *still doing the Snoopy happy dance!*

*raises hand*
Embers can speak for me about this subject any old time.
Thanks!

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:58 PM

damn straight!:)

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

We've both been long time Faith fans...

Yep!
Five by fiveisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:09 PM

Question: is that pic too big? I can get rid of it if it is....

Chrisisall

PDCHARLES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Question: is that pic too big? I can get rid of it if it is....

Chrisisall

Did u scan a billboard?

and Yay, Embers... I kinda voiced that same... *arrgghgh*

*pummeled by group-think, dust cloud*

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pdcharles:

Did u scan a billboard?

So it's not bad? On my computer it really stretches things out, but if it's okay on everyone else's I'll leave it- it's a great shot, eh?

BillboardChrisisall

PDCHARLES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by pdcharles:

Did u scan a billboard?

So it's not bad? On my computer it really stretches things out, but if it's okay on everyone else's I'll leave it- it's a great shot, eh?

Its A-Ok with me. Having trouble with the panning tho.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pdcharles:
Having trouble with the panning tho.

Is this one better?

I got a million of 'em Chrisisall

ZZETTA13

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:56 PM

Am I the only one disturbed by this? I mean I’m glad for Joss, he has to eat and put food on the table, but going back to f*>< ? Didn’t he get enough of a beating last time. I donno maybe there’s more to the agreement then they're willing to say right now. Thought I’d read somewhere where he said he’d never work for f*>< again.

I want more FF/Serenity not a new show called Dollhouse. To be honest I’m not a Buffy fan, not an Angel fan ( have never seen an eps of either one) not to say they aren’t good and deserving of my attention but what has brought me into the realm of JW was FF/Serenity. My first Whedon adoration, and I’m ready to wade through blood and guts to get it back. Dollhouse may be a very good show in fact I’ll stick my neck out and say IT WILL BE VERY GOOD. But then so was Drive. Tim Minear had a good thing going there, what happened?

Joss you said you wouldn’t rest till you found FF a new home, I’m there with you. Go ahead and do other things to keep the old brainpan from collecting cobwebs just don’t forget your old cast and crew that still bring so much excitement to the cons on behave of your FF creation. Believe it or not you have a very big group of loyal believers and followers don’t be the kinda person that cops out when the going gets ridiculously hard. It’s been hard for all of us.

Loyal FF/BDM fan, Z

CHRISISALL

Friday, November 2, 2007 12:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by zzetta13:
just don’t forget your old cast and crew that still bring so much excitement to the cons on behave of your FF creation.

Joss is doing Buffy in the comics, supervising Angel in same, doing this new show...he's a GREAT juggler, both mentally and physically- no worries!
And new cred from a new hit show could only help the FF cause, so smile!

Chrisisall

PDCHARLES

Friday, November 2, 2007 12:19 AM

Z,

Disturbed. No. dissapointed for about two hours, yes. Poked my lip out and pouted internally. Then I was like, "Here's hoping for something good"

For NEW, witty, Joss dialouge, I'm down for whatever.

RAHLMACLAREN

Friday, November 2, 2007 12:34 AM

Quote:

Question: is that pic too big? I can get rid of it if it is....

Chrisisall

Whoa... good fantasy.

It's *was* just right Chrisisall.

OH CRAP!!! Joss Whedon is making a new show called Dollhouse!!!

Quote:
Echo (Eliza Dushku) a young woman who is literally everybody's fantasy. She is one of a group of men and women who can be imprinted with personality packages, including memories, skills, language—even muscle memory—for different assignments. The assignments can be romantic, adventurous, outlandish, uplifting, sexual and/or very illegal. When not imprinted with a personality package, Echo and the others are basically mind-wiped, living like children in a futuristic dorm/lab dubbed the Dollhouse, with no memory of their assignments—or of much else. The show revolves around the childlike Echo's burgeoning self-awareness, and her desire to know who she was before, a desire that begins to seep into her various imprinted personalities and puts her in danger both in the field and in the closely monitored confines of the Dollhouse.

AAHHHHHHHHH, HELL YEAH!!!
*joins in the Dance of Joy*

I'm so excited just posting about an UPCOMING Joss show! Joss and Tim and Eliza (and who all else) coming together to entertain us.

What the hell are all you whinners complaining about!!!

*mocking* "Ooo, the show's gonna be on F*X. We hate F*X, there for Joss must be an idiot, errrr."

Oh yeah, I'm skeptical[read:hate] and cynical of F*X like everybody, but my like of Joss is much more than my hate of F*X, and I AM gonna watch the show, gorramit!

Quote:

sometimes y'gots to deal with badger - sometimes Patience on whitefall - sometimes fanty and mingo - and hell, sometimes you find yourself working for niska...

Exactly!
(I swear, WYTCHCROFT, EMBERS, CHRISISALL(mostly, last 3/4-with exceptions-of season seven not so great), and ME must be all on the same brain-length. I'm always agreeing with you guys/gals.)

I just hope it's on Tuesday night, so it doesn't conflict with Heroes or Lost when it comes back.

Can't wait.

--------------------------------------------------
Find here the Serenity you seek.

SHINYHINEYSUPERLIMEY

Friday, November 2, 2007 12:43 AM

Can't say I've met any of them personally, but I'm pretty sure that Joss, Tim and Eliza aren't fools. As far as I'm concerned, them going back to Fox - while most, if not all of us have our reservations about the show cancelling bastards - is actually a very good sign. Fox must have made some pretty big assurances to Joss and Tim for them to go back and if Fox want them that much then maybe, just maybe they're starting to realise how much money they can make them - and that is good for Firefly, me thinks.

-----

ZZETTA13

Friday, November 2, 2007 1:15 AM

Chrisisall,PDCharles and ShinyHineySuperLimey
You guys have made me feel better with your posts,thanks!

I still live with a little fear that Firefly and Serenity will fade into the dust. They seem to be treating it like it's a waiting game. You know, trying to wait us out. Distract and conquer. Well I for one don't think it will work. WE HOLD!! One day I will see Buffy and Angel and I'm sure I will enjoy them, but for now I'm a member of 3 FF/Serenity fan sites and I will never grow tired of being a fan of that show,ever.

see ya,Z

GORRAMNREEVER

Friday, November 2, 2007 1:36 AM

One word folks....FOX. It has happened once and if Dollhouse goes a couple weeks without ratings it will get the hook too. Look at "Drive"...good show, good advertising and yet....it got the hook. I won't hold my breath on this surviving and wait to see "Goners" in 2009

......I brought the Grenades.

EMBERS

Friday, November 2, 2007 5:07 AM

z: seriously,
no body wants to forget about Firefly/Serenity...
not just the Browncoats here, but Joss has said many times that he still totally loves his BDHs!

But he can't just be unemployed crazy comic book guy,
no one in Hollywood would respect him as crazy comic book guy...
in Hollywood they are only interested in your latest thing.

Best way he can get a Serenity sequel is to have some good money making shows!
When he is again making lots of hit shows and selling lots of advertising,
then everyone will come knocking on his door BEGGING him to make a sequel, and Goners, and anything else he wants to do!

seriously.... starting new projects is the only way.

JWHEDONADDICT

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wytchcroft:
well i distrust f*x same as all - but hey!!

joss has a new freaking show!:) thanks Eliza!
a green light is a green light - not a locked door.

no show of Joss's has let me down yet.

i hope it does real well and a million offers flood the whedon homestead.

'bout frackin' time!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

And whoever got all pissy and said Joss was "naive" to trust FOX again is clearly "naive" about the way Joss thinks. He wants his shows and projects made, including potential Firefly/Serenity ones, he accepts that he has to be willing to make certain sacrifices and that unfortunately happens to include working for people who have screwed him over in the past.

And "teenfest"? Eliza is in her mid twenties, and we have no ideas yet about what the other characters are going to be so why should we assume that they'll all be teens, or women, for that matter?

***********************************************

Buffy: I'm just worried this whole session's gonna turn into some training montage from an '80's movie.
Giles: (sighs) Well, if we hear any inspirational power chords we'll lie down till they go away.

"They talk about me in the chatty rooms?"--Angel

"There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known."--Spike

Joss is like a present, he's like a gift as far as I'm concerned.--Ron Glass

for Joss

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:42 AM

Didn't read all the replies.
It appears that Fox is starting to realize it's mistake the last time it cancelled a Joss series - FF DVDs still selling.

I might dream that Joss & Tim makes gobs of moola off this series, and then make a movie about a spaceship run by browncoats.
I do wish them success. I also want more Serenity.

MYCREW

Friday, November 2, 2007 1:48 PM

Joss has posted at Whedonesque.com about Dollhouse. Here is what it says:

"Hi guys. What's going on?

I remember I was having lunch with Eliza, and thinking she was shiny, so shiny... and then I woke up here. Weird.

Pretty much everything has been said already, but I wanted to check in and give y'all muchas smooches for the support. This was all unexpected, but what can I say? When it's right, it's right. Right?

I'm kind of freaking out about the concept. It's fascinatng from every angle -- it won't stop talking to me. It's sweet and creepy and exciting and very human. I hope it doesn't suck, 'cause in my head it's fairly righteous.

As for young Minear's 'Miracle Man', that's still on -- he's agreed to consult for me while developing his own thing. He'll be doing the work of two near-men!

Updates will be updatified. Keep watching the skies. xo -j.
joss | November 01, 16:06 CET "

PDCHARLES

Friday, November 2, 2007 2:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramnReever:
One word folks....FOX.

K, that "one word" has been used over and over in here. Being a fan site of Firefly, I am almost positive that there is not a single person that has engaged in this thread that doesn't know what the FOX of the past did. Have you ever worked at a medium-to-large size Co. where a bad CEO or management team was replaced? There is a sigh of relief around the office for most. Some look optimistically at the future and may even feel more comfortable about their job security. K, now apply that to FOX and this situation. Joss NEEDS a job. (much to his worshippers disbelief, he cannot create job Op.s with the blink of an eye

)

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramnReever:
It has happened once and if Dollhouse goes a couple weeks without ratings it will get the hook too. Look at "Drive"...good show, good advertising and yet....it got the hook. I won't hold my breath on this surviving and wait to see "Goners" in 2009

Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network? We cannot compare the cancellation of FF with Drive. Drive is just not even close.

Joss answered the call from Fox, well, because they called.

GORRAMNREEVER

Friday, November 2, 2007 4:44 PM

pdcharles wrote:
Friday, November 02, 2007 04:08 "Have you ever worked at a medium-to-large size Co. where a bad CEO or management team was replaced?" <--- Well I am not sure.....do you think The United States Air Force might be considered "medium to large?" What we have here is what is called a "trend" in the service. It is a recuring problem that hasn't been resolved. A change in management isn't a guarantee that things have changed. As for the comment of what "Fox did in the past"....thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It was used as an "introduction" to the rest of the rant....not as a focal point.

In response to "Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network?".....please show me an instance where it has happened on another network not just once but twice to the same writer. You can worship J Whedon all you like but when it clouds your vision to the point of blinders. You need to step back and try looking through a pair of glasses that aren't tinted by the rose.

......I brought the Grenades.

DEEPLYKIDDING

Friday, November 2, 2007 6:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mycrew:
Joss has posted at Whedonesque.com about Dollhouse. Here is what it says:

"yadda yadda yadda stuff about dollhouse burble burble blah...

Updates will be updatified. Keep watching the skies. xo -j.
joss | November 01, 16:06 CET "

Does "Keep watching the skies" mean anything to anyone? Am I being hopeful about its possible meaning, possibly meaning a ship that flies in the sky would be visible if we look out for it?

Or is this just a phrase Joss uses, that has no real meaning, like "see ya later alligator".

Am I being hopelessly optimistic, looking for secret hidden messages?

PDCHARLES

Friday, November 2, 2007 6:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramnReever:
As for the comment of what "Fox did in the past"....thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It was used as an "introduction" to the rest of the rant....not as a focal point.

My point exactly. We all know it. That analogy only says you can be hopeful about what MAY come from the change. You are choosing not to. Ur original post and others before in this thread came off as a warning to viewers and only adding to a long list of doubters. All we have is hope. For Joss and for FF. I'm just saying "enough already". I would understand if it were an investment, but not for tuning into a show. Some fans like to think they have a certain power in regards to network decisions. They absolutely do, to a degree. Ratings being number one. Then there are smaller factors in our case: letter writing, polls, planned events, etc. I haven’t seen one Fox bashing event yet. So even if fox cancels it tomorrow before it gets out of the gate. What? We were warned? If this were happening on NBC, we would have only half the content of this thread left.

Asking a question about previous work experiences and applying it as an analogy was just that, a question. Not meant as a personal attack on your work experience. Didn’t need to know where u work, but I guess ur answer is yes.

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramnReever:

In response to "Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network?".....please show me an instance where it has happened on another network not just once but twice to the same writer.

In the FOX (Firefly/Drive) example, this happened to Tim yes. Not Joss. I trust Joss's judgment over the bashers. All I'm saying. Instead of researching for some example of some other writer, I’ll just wait to see what Joss and Tim say about working with Fox NOW in the near future. If Fox were patient with Drive, do u think it would have lasted?

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramnReever:
You can worship J Whedon all you like but when it clouds your vision to the point of blinders. You need to step back and try looking through a pair of glasses that aren't tinted by the rose.

Agree Whole-heartedly. Why I used the sarcasm below.
“much to his worshippers disbelief, he cannot create job Op.s with the blink of an eye

“

What u said sounds good, but….I do know it does not apply to me. I don’t worship, I support Joss Whedon and his decisions. Much more so than whining about how the corporate TV world works. Maybe that is what happened, boycotts from orig. cancellation of FF, Wonderfalls, etc. caused the sharp decline in Drive's ratings. U guys won.

I guess the bashers can “glass half full it” when they are DVR’n Dollhouse even if it IS only seven times.

EDIT: ZOMG! I stand corrected, just found this recent pic.

Quote:
I wrote:
I haven’t seen one Fox bashing event yet.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=31136#554348

MACBAKER

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zzetta13:
To be honest I’m not a Buffy fan, not an Angel fan ( have never seen an eps of either one) not to say they aren’t good and deserving of my attention but what has brought me into the realm of JW was FF/Serenity.

I have to say that's sad for you. Not all of Joss' shows appeal to everyone, but if you haven't even checked them out, you really don't know what you're missing. The reason Firefly/Serenity was so good, is from the experience he got writing shows like Buffy and Angel! Many episodes of both shows are some of the finest hours of television ever. You can't really say you're a Joss fan if you haven't seen his other two series.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

PHYRELIGHT

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:13 PM

I was freaking the frak out until I read one word: Fox. I suddenly feel sick.

I aim to misbehave, but I usually miss!

MYCREW

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:14 PM

Does "Keep watching the skies" mean anything to anyone? Am I being hopeful about its possible meaning, possibly meaning a ship that flies in the sky would be visible if we look out for it?

Or is this just a phrase Joss uses, that has no real meaning, like "see ya later alligator".

Am I being hopelessly optimistic, looking for secret hidden messages?

I thought the same thing when I read it.

MACBAKER

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zzetta13:
Joss you said you wouldn’t rest till you found FF a new home, I’m there with you. Go ahead and do other things to keep the old brainpan from collecting cobwebs just don’t forget your old cast and crew that still bring so much excitement to the cons on behave of your FF creation. Believe it or not you have a very big group of loyal believers and followers don’t be the kinda person that cops out when the going gets ridiculously hard. It’s been hard for all of us.

I agree the lack of further adventures of our BDH has been hard, but lets face some facts.

1. Joss did find Firefly a new home. Universal, and they let him make a movie. He kept his promise! He did the impossible, and got a movie based on a cancelled half season television series. That's incredible, and we should be happy that we got that!

2. We aren't a "very big group of loyal believers and followers". At least not in numbers that put bodies into theater seats. We didn't make Serenity a box office smash! Yeah, blame it on the studio's lame promotion. They didn't get average theater goers to buy tickets, but I'm sure the real fanbase did go, and we quite frankly weren't enough! DVD sales might change that somwhat, but the most we could reasonably expect from FOX or Universal, would be a direct to DVD movie, and that would depend on who would have such direct to DVD distribution rights. If that did happen, Joss would still have time to write and direct such a movie between seasons of Dollhouse. He ran three shows at the same time, so I don't think a series or two (Ripper is still under consideration with the BBC) and a movie or two would be too much of a burden for such a talented man to handle. With TIm attched, Joss could hand over the series reigns, and focus on the movie. Do you think J.J. Abrahms is running the day to day production of Lost, while trying to get a 80million dollar Star Trek movie going? I don't think so!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

MACBAKER

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GorramnReever:
pdcharles wrote:
Friday, November 02, 2007 04:08 "Have you ever worked at a medium-to-large size Co. where a bad CEO or management team was replaced?" <--- Well I am not sure.....do you think The United States Air Force might be considered "medium to large?" What we have here is what is called a "trend" in the service. It is a recuring problem that hasn't been resolved. A change in management isn't a guarantee that things have changed. As for the comment of what "Fox did in the past"....thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It was used as an "introduction" to the rest of the rant....not as a focal point.

In response to "Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network?".....please show me an instance where it has happened on another network not just once but twice to the same writer. You can worship J Whedon all you like but when it clouds your vision to the point of blinders. You need to step back and try looking through a pair of glasses that aren't tinted by the rose.

......I brought the Grenades.

Sorry but when did it happen twice? Firefly was on Fox, that's one.

Buffy was cancelled by the WB, and moved to UPN for two more seasons.

Angel, again was cancelled after 5 seasons by the WB.

I see one cancelation by FOX, and 2 by the WB.

All three series were produced at FOX Television, but "FOX Television Studios", and "The FOX Network", are run by different people. FOX studios didn't cancel Firefly, The Fox Network did! Quit confusing one with the other!!!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

GORRAMNREEVER

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:52 PM

"Drive" was on Fox. Not by Joss, but it did have the Hero.

......I brought the Grenades.

PIZMOBEACH

Friday, November 2, 2007 7:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mycrew:
Does "Keep watching the skies" mean anything to anyone? Am I being hopeful about its possible meaning, possibly meaning a ship that flies in the sky would be visible if we look out for it? Or is this just a phrase Joss uses, that has no real meaning, like "see ya later alligator".

Am I being hopelessly optimistic, looking for secret hidden messages?

At the end of the original The Thing, one of the characters (a journalist) calls in his story to his publisher about the alien, life and death struggle that just happened, and at the end he warns ominously, "Keep watching the skies..." It kind of got to be a scifi slogan for a while.
That's where it comes from... what he meant by that... dunno.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

DEEPLYKIDDING

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

At the end of the original The Thing, one of the characters (a journalist) calls in his story to his publisher about the alien, life and death struggle that just happened, and at the end he warns ominously, "Keep watching the skies..." It kind of got to be a scifi slogan for a while.
That's where it comes from... what he meant by that... dunno.

Hmm. Thanks for the explanation, pizmobeach. I didn't know that. I love trivia! Puts a different spin on his quote, though. More to ponder... *walks away scratching head, deep in thought*

I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass...

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:21 PM

but who aint happy here? nerves aside -
ask yourself -
would anyone from the serenity crew NOT support this?
course they frackin would:)
so should we.

MACBAKER

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:22 PM

A similar tag "Watch The Skys" was at the end of the original theatrical run of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", at the end of the credits.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

JWHEDONADDICT

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:33 PM

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Originally posted by mycrew:
Joss has posted at Whedonesque.com about Dollhouse. Here is what it says:

"Hi guys. What's going on?

That part cracked me up! By itself, and because it reminded me of Buffy playing dumb when she coming out of The Magic Box in "The Gift", knowing full well what was going on in the alley.

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"We have the best fans in the business [in the] Buffy and Whedon universe. It's gonna be pandemonium when this [news] hits." --Eliza Dushku on Dollhouse

"Joss is like a present, he's like a gift as far as I'm concerned."--Ron Glass

for Joss

IMNOTHERE

Friday, November 2, 2007 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Soounds like a blend of The Island, Momento, Identity, and Total Recall (err, The Warehouse?), Jason Bourne.

Sounds more like Joe 90 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_90 meets Dark Angel.

Disturbing...

KARENKAY99

Friday, November 2, 2007 9:11 PM

some of you all are bringing me down so i decided to quit reading your posts and type in my own.

OMFG!! Joss will be on TV again! I'm so frakin happy I could dance. In fact I just just did dance. I think I was channeling Eliza! Dancing and singing "I'm goin' do TV with Joss again!!".

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

EMBERS

Friday, November 2, 2007 9:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ImNotHere:
Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Soounds like a blend of The Island, Momento, Identity, and Total Recall (err, The Warehouse?), Jason Bourne.

Sounds more like Joe 90 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_90 meets Dark Angel.

Actually I thought it sounds more like Henrik Ibsen's The Doll House meets Fantasy Island
but we shall see! I'm guessing that Joss is using any and all of the above as inspirations on this one!

I think it is going to be wicked cool.

ZZETTA13

Friday, November 2, 2007 11:21 PM

Hello everyone!

MacBaker I hear what you’re saying but I don’t think you get all the meaning of what I was saying. First of all not having seen Buffy or Angel isn’t something I feel sad about. People that haven’t seen Firefly or Serenity I don’t feel sad for it’s just if they have seen the show then we have something in common that’s all. Secondly, think I said something like I haven’t seen them yet, or that I will see them in the future sometime.

Now I do believe I can be a fan of chocolate cake without being a fan of chocolate donuts, especially if I’ve never had a chocolate donut ( not true of course). Being fan of Joss Whedon by only having seen FF/Serenity and not Buffy or Angel seems to follow.

Next, I don’t view Universal as being the next home of FF. To me Serenity was a whole other animal. I would love for them to make a sequel, and a sequel to the sequel. But I wouldn’t call them a home for FF.

Talking ticket sales for the box office in 05 wasn’t a big success but now that the movie has come out on dvd ( and a BDCE) I think our numbers have increased considerably and are getting bigger all the time. Strait to dvd I’m all for and I’m not against Joss doing what he needs to do to keep his creative talents going. He has every right to do whatever he wants even if it means he’s done with FF/Serenity. I hope not but he has that right no matter what I or anyone else feels. I just think I have the right to be disappointed, just a little bit. But it isn’t something I see as gloom and doom, just an expressed opinion. I still have high hopes of seeing our BDHs on the screen together. Whether the small screen or the big one.

Z

FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, November 3, 2007 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by karenkay99:
some of you all are bringing me down so i decided to quit reading your posts and type in my own.

OMFG!! Joss will be on TV again! I'm so frakin happy I could dance. In fact I just just did dance. I think I was channeling Eliza! Dancing and singing "I'm goin' do TV with Joss again!!".

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

*dances merrily with KarenKay99* I can't stop grinnin'.

http://www.kidsneedtoread.org

http://www.completehero.com

http://amazon.com/Serenity-Collectors-Nathan-Fillion/dp/B000Q9IZ5C

PROTOTYPE7

Saturday, November 3, 2007 12:28 AM

My thoughts - take em or leave em...

The show sounds like it might be good - might not - it's usually hard to tell just from the "premise". If I read the premise for Firefly I wouldn't think much of it - until I saw it and saw the characters developing... ya know?

Next, whether or not you think this show will be good, it is being made by two of the firefly crew. There's been plenty of times that the people with the money tell the people without the money - "okay, you can have what YOU want, after we get what WE want."
I think it would be great if the show did well. Having Joss and Tim on another hit show can NOT hurt the possibility of firefly comming back. Anything these guys can do to make Fox, the albeit evil but license-holding entity, happy and make them some more money is good for us. It might not happen at the same time but maybe a bit down the road people will be talking about those two guys... and all the money they've made. Maybe?

Next - I think it's a good idea that the studio see loyalty in Joss's flock. Whether or not you want to watch the show I think you should... for firefly's sake. Or at least make like you're watching it.
Wheather it's true or not if the studio see's that Joss has this large group of people willing to support his new project, that translates into dollar signs for them. And dollar signs are good!
I think we should all find forums for the new show and all keep our firefly avatars and sigs at the bottom. Discuss the show honestly and discuss how much we like that Joss is doing it. All the while making refferences back to Firefly. I think a large browncaot presence on the new shows boards could help us to win some new firefly supporters. People could be into this new thing without ever having heard of Firefly. This is a chance for us to win new soldiers!
I also think that Joss will probably work in some firefly refferences on the new show and it would be good for us to be pointing those out on f*x's boards.

And lastly the post from Joss himself. The skies thing was explained away and that's fine. But what about his comment about Eliza looking shiny... and then waking up from his little firefly dream?
I never met the man and wasn't really a fan of his before firefly but I gotta say... he doesn't seem like he's an idiot. He seems pretty smart to me. Pretty cunning! I wouldn't be suprised if he's already cooking up firefly plans.

Here's how I see it... he's back in business with the people that hold the Firefly license... this can't be all bad yet.

And a question... did Universal renew the Serenity license or did they let it expire. Wasn't it supposed to be up this past Sept.?

Like I said, take it for what it's worth.

SLOWHAND

Saturday, November 3, 2007 12:31 AM

I've seen a few episodes of Buffy and Angel. They just weren't my thing. I couldn't get into them at all. When Firefly came out, I didn't watch it. I heard Joss was doing it and I just wasn't interested. It wasn't until a friend showed Firefly to me on DVD that I was hooked. I've been a loyal Browncoat since.

I guess my point is I'm not excited about this. I guess you can't really call me a Joss fan...at least not of Buffy and Angel. His run on Astonishing X-Men was good...not great. It had some good stuff. I do like the free comic he did on myspace called Sugar Shock. That was great!

But all in all, I'm only interested in getting more Firefly and Serenity. The sad truth is this. The actors aren't getting any younger. Not that their old by any means, but can you really see a 40 year old Kaylee? If they're gonna do something, it needs to be within the next 5 years or so.

Just an opinion.

EMBERS

Saturday, November 3, 2007 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by prototype7:
My thoughts - take em or leave em...

And lastly the post from Joss himself. The skies thing was explained away and that's fine. But what about his comment about Eliza looking shiny... and then waking up from his little firefly dream?
I never met the man and wasn't really a fan of his before firefly but I gotta say... he doesn't seem like he's an idiot.

um...
I don't think he was referring to Firefly when he used the word shiny in this instance...

Joss said:

Quote:

I remember I was having lunch with Eliza, and thinking she was shiny, so shiny... and then I woke up here. Weird.

And personally I took this to mean that he didn't plan to write a show,
he wasn't planning to go back to television yet,
Eliza Dushku hypnotized him and he came up with the show idea, agreed to be Exec Producer, and signed contracts all under the influence of her hypnotic suggestions...

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is how I took it.

PROTOTYPE7

Saturday, November 3, 2007 1:17 AM

Well... I kinda see your point there Embers... but did Joss ever use the term shiny before firefly? I'm not saying it means anything... just that it seemed to me he had firefly on the brain. Maybe not. Come to think of it... I'm not sure if it'd be a good idea for any of us to go TOO far into Joss brain anyway!

EMBERS

Saturday, November 3, 2007 1:49 AM

I would be surprised to hear that the first time Joss said the adjective 'shiny' he used it in Firefly....
He did have an episode of Angel entitled: "Shiny Happy People"

In Buffy's first season episode 'the Pack' Buffy says the zoo animals are "shiny and new"

on Buffy's Season 5 Buffy brought back the glowing orb from the Monk and the script says:

Quote:

Buffy reaches into her bag and removes the glowing yellow globe.

BUFFY
I put this before the group. What the hell is it?

GILES
It appears to be paranormal in origin.

WILLOW
How can you tell?

GILES
Well, it's so shiny.

BUFFY
Found it on patrol.

(so Giles calls things shiny)

In fact on Whedonesque they had a whole thread on the origin of 'shiny':
http://whedonesque.com/comments/8046

So you see I think that Joss feels free to use the adjective in non-Firefly references fairly regularly....

ANONYMOUS1

Saturday, November 3, 2007 5:23 AM

The more people see of our Big Darn Heroes' work, the more people want to see of our Big Darn Heroes' work...which leads them back to Firefly/Serenity.

That holds true for the actors and for Joss Whedon and Tim Minear.

Joss wants to do more Firefly/Serenity.

The actors want to do more Firefly/Serenity.

They all love working together.

The more popular Joss and Tim and the actors get...the more chance someone will realize there is money to be made.

Nathan hasn't even taken his shirt off yet on Desperate Housewives. And you know he's been working out.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, November 3, 2007 5:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ImNotHere:
Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Soounds like a blend of The Island, Momento, Identity, and Total Recall (err, The Warehouse?), Jason Bourne.

Sounds more like Joe 90 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_90 meets Dark Angel.

Disturbing...

Didn't catch Joe 90, but yeah, Dark Angel is definitely in there. Of course, one might notice that all of these references are following (and partially inspired by) Ludlum's Bourne Identity from the early 80's. And the female lead version Long Kiss Goodnight.
But yeah, hope it all goes well and they make gobs of cashy money. I'll probably have to wait for the DVDs.

HOSTILE17NOW

Saturday, November 3, 2007 5:46 PM

Oh yeah .......

bloody hell yeahhhhhhhhhh.

About F.....g time

Our Time Is never up Faith We pay for everything.- Angel.

EMMAZULE

Saturday, November 3, 2007 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jadehand:
Well crap. That sucks.... I think I just died.

So this is what the afterlife is like eh? Reading that Joss, Eliza, and Tim will be working together. Good news indeed.
So... the questions...
If they start [working on the show]in Feb. Will this be a spring/mid season replacement?
Please FOX don't start them in the summer. That never works. I'd really rather wait until next September than have it start in the summer.

A man who walks the Earth

A more important question would be if Joss will actually be able to do it at all. Isn't he a member of WGA?

Aren't they about to go on strike?

Yeah. I hope it doesn't hurt it any.

~Emma

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