It would be a kindness...

POSTED BY: Jstn
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 22:24
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JSTN

Monday, February 25, 2008 4:01 AM (P)

The cheater is on. I just watched him go from 1174 to 1204 in less than 5 minutes. A vote every few seconds, no breaks.

That's bullshit, but we are still ahead by 17.

Not sure how long before he can do that again, but we need to add at least another 30 ASAP.

http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php

JSTN

Monday, February 25, 2008 4:27 AM (P)

I even called my saintly mother to help us. (She did)

Also, I am PMing random people as they log on to my board for assistance. (They are helping too)

The cheater has put himself in front.

JeriJerk - 1277

Firefly - 1226

If you haven't voted yet, now is the time. It will reset at midnight.

http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php

JSTN

Monday, February 25, 2008 5:06 AM (P)

They are over 1330 now.

I filed a complaint with the site manager. Jericho should be disqualified. They didn't get that many votes all day, then in less than an hour they get 150 votes.

Rest assured Browncoats, you really won.

You did an amazing job this week, in the face of their cheating asses.

Can't see any reason to continue voting in this poll though, all things considered.

Ray was right.

Keep voting in the other poll though. That one is legit.

http://richlabonte.net/tvvote

http://www.richlabonte.net/tvvote

http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/index.html

You can vote each hour for FF and other shows.

Also you can nominate other shows for the Top 40.

It would be a kindness if you would nominate our show, Surface.

Thanks again everyone. - Jstn (signing off on this thread)

http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php

ASARIAN

Monday, February 25, 2008 5:46 AM (P)

As Bulldog would say: "This is total BS!"

Well, we may have been on the losing side; still not convinced it was the wrong one.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

SUASOR

Monday, February 25, 2008 8:11 AM (P)

Well, it rolled over for the new week, and as of now, we have 100 percent of the vote. Take what you can get....

SISTER

Monday, February 25, 2008 12:47 PM (P)

huh, wha?

SUASOR

Monday, February 25, 2008 2:55 PM (P)

Now Jericho is ahead 56-51 on the new "Best of the Week" competition. We're still a contender.

JSTN

Monday, February 25, 2008 5:26 PM (P)

There is no point in voting in this poll any more, until they fix the cheating problem.

A Jericho "fan" (and I use the term loosely) added 250 votes to their total during the last couple of hours last night. That's more than two days worth of votes. The counter kept climbing consistantly every few seconds, so there was no way that fans were doing this, jst some jerk, who thinks that his show actually "wins" by doing this.

My suggestion is that we spend our energy on the TV Vote poll instead as it is legit and has built in anti-cheating guards.

Thanks for everyone's help with this (TV Tally poll) anyway.

Firefly really won last week, in fact you all did an amazing job. We had over 1200 votes in one week. If they hadn't cheated we'd have blown everyone else out of the water.

http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php

SUASOR

Monday, February 25, 2008 7:02 PM (P)

I rather doubt the "big cheat" angle. I've been over there for a couple of months, and whenever FF takes the lead, after a while there appears to be a bunch of people voting in sixes, as if someone had sent out an email or texting alert, asking for Jericho fans to get online and vote back.

JSTN

Monday, February 25, 2008 8:09 PM (P)

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion, but I have spent a lot of time watching how these numbers move and last night, they counted up in a "programed" way, definiitely not in 6's.

The first time 30 votes, then after that continuously until they were 250 ahead, without stopping.

People voting in 6's don't look like that.

I'm done with this "Mickey Mouse" poll. The other one is much better anyway.

http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php

SUASOR

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:53 AM (P)

Cookie removal and IP spoofing would probably allow you to vote continuously.

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Cookie removal and IP spoofing would probably allow you to vote continuously.

There's no such thing as IP spoofing. At least not for TCP/IP spoofing (which is what folks usually mean when they're talking about IP spoofing).

The IP protocol operates at layer 3 of the OSI model. It's a 'connectionless' model, meaning there's no information regarding transaction state, used to route packets on a network. Additionally, there is no method to acknowledge a packet's proper delivery. IP can be thought of as a routing wrapper for layer 4 (transport) of the OSI model, which contains the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). Unlike IP, participants in a TCP session must first build a connection. This is done via a 3-way, two roundtrips handshake (SYN-SYN/ACK-ACK) that continually update one another, via sequences and ACKnowledgements. The client first sends a SYN packet. The server then responds with its own SYN/ACK, acknowledging the client's SYN. This acknowledgement is sent back to the source IP of the incoming packet. Which ACK, if the IP were faked, would never reach the faker. So, things end right there.

Back in the early day, it was relatively easy to spoof a TCP/IP connection, using sequence number prediction. These days, however, every OS uses fair decent random sequence number generators, making predicting sequence numbers as good as totally impossible. So, basically, the Jericho folks could spoof incoming SYN packets (which is really what a spoofed IP attack is). But beyond that, since HTTP goes over TCP/IP as well, of course, there's no way they could establish (not just set up) valid TCP/IP sessions with the voting server.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

SUASOR

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:08 PM (P)

OK, so I dated myself. Should have just said spoofing. The implication that they are getting around the vote restrictions (once every six hours), implies succcess at getting the host to believe that the same voter, is actually a different voter, as a large number of votes are cast via a single session.

The easiest way to uncover the secret is for someone to hang out at the Jericho boards or listservs until someone brags. These are fans we are dealing with...

JSTN

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:00 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Cookie removal and IP spoofing would probably allow you to vote continuously.

There's no such thing as IP spoofing. At least not for TCP/IP spoofing (which is what folks usually mean when they're talking about IP spoofing).

The IP protocol operates at layer 3 of the OSI model. It's a 'connectionless' model, meaning there's no information regarding transaction state, used to route packets on a network. Additionally, there is no method to acknowledge a packet's proper delivery. IP can be thought of as a routing wrapper for layer 4 (transport) of the OSI model, which contains the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). Unlike IP, participants in a TCP session must first build a connection. This is done via a 3-way, two roundtrips handshake (SYN-SYN/ACK-ACK) that continually update one another, via sequences and ACKnowledgements. The client first sends a SYN packet. The server then responds with its own SYN/ACK, acknowledging the client's SYN. This acknowledgement is sent back to the source IP of the incoming packet. Which ACK, if the IP were faked, would never reach the faker. So, things end right there.

Back in the early day, it was relatively easy to spoof a TCP/IP connection, using sequence number prediction. These days, however, every OS uses fair decent random sequence number generators, making predicting sequence numbers as good as totally impossible. So, basically, the Jericho folks could spoof incoming SYN packets (which is really what a spoofed IP attack is). But beyond that, since HTTP goes over TCP/IP as well, of course, there's no way they could establish (not just set up) valid TCP/IP sessions with the voting server.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

What did he say?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB2/index.php

ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Suasor:

OK, so I dated myself. Should have just said spoofing. The implication that they are getting around the vote restrictions (once every six hours), implies succcess at getting the host to believe that the same voter, is actually a different voter, as a large number of votes are cast via a single session.

Or, they simply bested us. Could be they're just better organized. They're believers. Intelligent, methodical, and devout in their belief that voting in their show is the right thing to do.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

STOWEAWAY

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
They're believers. Intelligent, methodical, and devout in their belief that voting in their show is the right thing to do.

Good thing we are too.

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SUASOR

Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:24 PM (P)

Do the impossible and you are mightly...

They're ahead 202 to 174, so a lot of us are still trying. We need someone, with some spare time, to visit their message boards and see if they are doing the impossible, or there are just more of them showing up at TVTally.

Quote:
Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Originally posted by Suasor:

OK, so I dated myself. Should have just said spoofing. The implication that they are getting around the vote restrictions (once every six hours), implies succcess at getting the host to believe that the same voter, is actually a different voter, as a large number of votes are cast via a single session.

Or, they simply bested us. Could be they're just better organized. They're believers. Intelligent, methodical, and devout in their belief that voting in their show is the right thing to do.

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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