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SIGNYM

Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:56 PM

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=2557452&pid=r&mode=ALL&query=c
heney&t=s
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=2557452&pid=r&mode=ALL&query=p
erle&t=s
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=2557452&pid=r&mode=ALL&query=w
olfowitz&t=s

So, why couldn't you do this yourself?
"I didn't have enough time"? Or maybe
"I don't know how to Google"? Or better yet! ...
"I really don't care what our leaders are thinking"?

My God, you guys are cowards! This is all from the PNAC website itself, which you could have looked up (but didn't) and I'm sure you won't look up even when it's handed to you. I should buy you each a T-shirt: "I am NOT in denial!"

I do have a question for you all, though, and it is related to Firefly- What is it that attracted you to the show? Was it Mal's desire to evade being crushed by the Alliance's military? His general scepticism of large governments? His desire to live and think independently? His "do it yourself" view of creating a moral code? His bravery? His inability to stomach jingoism and arrogance? Just curious.

GHOULMAN

Wednesday, May 5, 2004 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ruxton:
Ghoulman, your grasp of facts is mostly irreproachable. Most of the posters here seem agree with you. I'd suggest you ignore all three major dummies, as I have, and not waste your valuable time and energy responding to them.

.......Ruxton

Thanx. :)

RUXTON

Thursday, May 6, 2004 6:22 PM

Doran, you said:

"...it appears you are condeming the Bush administration as unfeeling and caring because of a gut feeling of your own. I don't have that gut feeling."

In light of Mr. Bush's recent FAILURE to apologize for the atrocities I mentioned in my last post above, which no one has had the guts to touch, do you still feel the same about him?

Do you care that the rest of the world is pissed at us because of this?

Are you aware that the President knew of ongoing torture since January? Are you aware that the Red Cross has tried for months to get someone to do something about it? If not, you need to do some readin'. If so, how can you, or anyone, still think Bush and his henchmen are good and just persons?

Or are the torture pictures just red herrings to keep the eyes of U.S. citizens off the U.S. defeat at Fallujah, as reported by Al Jazeera?
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Finally, I don't know if any rockets were fired into the towers. However, if one assumes that might have happened, one must then ask why was a rocket necessary? So far as I have been able to determine, kerosene or aircraft fuel does not normally explode like a bomb, unless some other explosion sets it off. But an on-board bomb could have done the same. My guess is, if in fact a rocket was used, there was a perceived need to "soften" the entry point so the plane with all its fuel would be sure to get inside, rather than burst on the exterior of the towers. There seems to be a great lack of debris from the aircraft flying back from the entry point.

We do know Building 7 of the center was ordered "pulled," or demolished. This has been established. (No, quaddies, I'm not going to waste my time giving sources. Do it yourself, like I did.) But it seems like the only reason to have a fireball within the towers would be to give visual evidence that might lead viewers to think the towers fell of their own accord. But we know firefighters heard bombs going off just before the towers fell, lending credence to the demolition theory. (Recordings of those conversations exist.) So it would seem that there was a need for the towers to fall. We know there was a great rush to get rid of the collapsed evidence. Again, fire-fighting teams deplored the lack of an investigation of that evidence.

I have no more time to wait for this too-long thread to load. Good luck to you all.

.........Ruxton

ps: Ghoulman, you're welcome. I recommend SignyM do the same thing.

Pps: The payoff for the towers was, I believe, three billion dollars.

SCOTTI

Friday, May 7, 2004 7:31 AM

I swore I wouldn't "pimp" out my website here, but I just can't help myself. There have been so many well-articulated posts here (and more than a couple obtuse ones...) that I want to invite you all to a website I'm working on with a few of my friends:

http://www.thebraindump.com

Basically it's just a place we gather to discuss whatever we want. There's a comment area for every post, so feel free to leave your thoughts there for now. I already have an idea of who I'd like to see there (hero, doran, nervouspete, soundhack, etc.) and who I'd rather not ... well, they'll figure it out.

Looking forward to seeing some of you there, and thanks for the great reading here.

(For the record, I'm currently in Kuwait, and have more than a few opinions of my own of what's going on over here)

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Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination.
Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 9, 2004 1:01 PM

I went over to the brain dump and the text crapped out into garbage about 1/5 of the way down. I think you're one bit off in your ASCII.

SCOTTI

Sunday, May 9, 2004 3:49 PM

... first time I've heard this... what browser are you using. This happen to anyone else?

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Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination.
Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 9, 2004 4:00 PM

I'll try again. MAybe it was just a glitch.

ECMORGAN69

Sunday, May 9, 2004 5:42 PM

Just my two cents...

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 9, 2004 5:55 PM

oops double post

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 9, 2004 5:56 PM

That's not nice, especially to the parent of a retarded child. Here's my "other" internet home:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=109

Read it and gain some humility.

ECMORGAN69

Sunday, May 9, 2004 6:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
That's not nice, especially to the parent of a retarded child. Here's my "other" internet home:

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=109

Read it and gain some humility.

P.C. or not, you never said if it was an apt comparison...

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah,

you, FOX TV!!

SUCCATASH

Sunday, May 9, 2004 6:15 PM

ECMorgan, that's pretty harsh.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 9, 2004 8:46 PM

OK, not only is is not PC, it's... uh...

That's like saying that people shouldn't discuss things by email or letter. In fact, internet, letter, and email discussions tend to be on a higher plane because the participants can't get away with the physical intimidation, interruption, and outshouting that tends to happen face to face. Not only that, because it's written, people have time to reflect. It's posted, so nobody can say "I didn't say that" - unless they edit their post, which will be obvious to at least SOME of the ppl who read it previosly. And finally, you can provide direct links to other sources of info to back up your point.

I've seen internet discussions where people have actually reached profound insights.

So, did you look at the other website?

ECMORGAN69

Monday, May 10, 2004 12:04 AM

Ok, here comes the soapbox.

First off, Succatash, you're darn right it's harsh. But then again, so are these discussions. Supposedly, we're all a bunch of Browncoats and FF lovers. Political discussions, like religious disagreements, most often do not change anyone's opinions, as they are already formed way before the post is being written. All that results is name-calling, hate-filled bile, and flaming back and forth. I think, in my not-so-humble opinion, that these discussions really have more of a place elsewhere because people really seem to be unable to keep it to an impersonal, intellectual level.

SignyM, I wish I could agree about Internet "discussions" being of a higher caliber, and of a less personal nature, than face-to-face confrontations. However, after reading a rather large number of these political threads, I can only conclude that they are only quieter, but no less angry. Politically, this country is sharply divided, with no clear middle ground in sight. People are diametrically opposed to the notion of hearing what the other side in a debate has to say. As a result, these "discussions" or "debates" (whichever term you prefer) devolve into a shouting match, not much more intellectually advanced than "He sucks", and "He does not suck."

BTW, yes I did look at the site. Having a couple of cousins who are, for lack of a better word retarded, I'm quite familiar with interacting with them and the special situations they face daily. However, if you're expecting a little P.C. remorse, well, sorry, but I have none. I did not take the snapshot, add the text to the snapshot, or put the snapshot up on a website for everybody to view. All I did was apply it to an appropriate situation. If it's offensive, oh well. So are quasi-political arguments that fail to raise the debate level beyond that of the variety of dung-flinging monkeys that watch "Survivor", "The Simple Life" and negate my vote every November.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

SUCCATASH

Monday, May 10, 2004 12:24 AM

I can't believe that you are so annoyed with political posts that you would continue to show disrespect for disabled children while talking to a parent with such a child.

You're a real asshole, all political views aside. Don't you have a fucking soul?

ECMORGAN69

Monday, May 10, 2004 12:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

I can't belive you are so annoyed with political posts that you would continue to show disrespect for disabled children while talking to a parent with such a child.

You're a real asshole, all political views aside. Don't you have a fucking soul?

Ok, to address the first paragraph, read my previous post. I think I explained myself fairly well, without breaking into profanity. To clarify one part though, as I mentioned, I'm quite familiar with dealing with the trials of having to deal with disabled children, and I definitely don't wish that hardship on anyone. While there's a lot of love there on both sides of the equation, it's still a lot of hard work and requires constant attention.

You know, I'd feel a smidgen more remorse for displaying that little jpeg if it wasn't for the fact that we all take ourselves a little too seriously, and take offense far too easily, and that smacks of P.C. Nazism. Mel Brooks and the Farrelly brothers probably get a lot less abuse about their humor than I am now.

As far as the "asshole" part, uh sorry, but I've got an ex-wife and a present wife who've shared that little nugget of info with me with far less tact and with far less provocation. That line doesn't even rate as a blip on my radar anymore. Next.

As far as the soul part, I had to give up a considerable fraction of that just to get rid of Wife #1 and her lawyer quickly. Divorce papers really are comprehensive these days

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah,

you, FOX TV!!

ECMORGAN69

Monday, May 10, 2004 12:54 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention...

I thought it would be a lot harder to piss somebody off here. Had I known it could be accomplished so easily, I might have thrown up a few more Apples of Discord masquerading as posts a lot sooner. Before the word "asshole" pops out, see my previous post.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

ECMORGAN69

Monday, May 10, 2004 1:24 AM

While I'm busy being an "asshole", I think I will annoy bunny-huggers and people who like to be "master of their domain"

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

SIGNYM

Monday, May 10, 2004 1:25 AM

Succatash- thanks for defending me, but it's OK. ECMorgan apparently has a lot to be bitter about, as do I. Bitter people aren't nice. The BEST I get is coldly pedantic.

ECMorgan- taking YOURSELF a little too seriously too, aren't you? Well, that's OK. I just wanted to share an experience on the other board, where we DID break into political dicussion immediately after 9/11. I was defending my usual position (minority) and one woman who is otherwise a tenderhearted mom and a moral person got so frustrated with me she posted "I don't care how many innocent people we have to kill!!" Then after a half hour of reflection, she quietly erased the post. But, she understands herself better now, neh? Sometimes, realizations are reached through internet discussion. One moment of insight is worth a thousand wrangles, neh?

SIGMANUNKI

Monday, May 10, 2004 4:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

I can't believe that you are so annoyed with political posts that you would continue to show disrespect for disabled children while talking to a parent with such a child.

You're a real asshole, all political views aside. Don't you have a fucking soul?

Hey 'Tash, I say just ignore him, he's already proven himself to be a

. He has time to troll his way around and piss people off, so, let's show him that we don't have the time to feed the likes of him.

IMHO, I think those of us that like having these little discussions should continue and ignore such harassment. I believe that we can keep things civil and I think we've proven that in the past. Let's just continue on our marry way

We're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Oz...

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

JASONZZZ

Monday, May 10, 2004 4:48 AM

May is Masturbation month!
There is going to be a Masturbate-a-thon on
May 16! How many kittens will die (much deserved deaths, mind you)

http://www.grandopening.com/classes/029.shtml

Quote:
Originally posted by ecmorgan69:
While I'm busy being an "asshole", I think I will annoy bunny-huggers and people who like to be "master of their domain"

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

JASONZZZ

Monday, May 10, 2004 4:50 AM

Ouch! touche...

I guess arguing on the internet and calling conspiracy theories that they are nut-jobs are about at the same level.

Boy, do I feel retarded now.

Q: What is better than getting gold in the Special Olympics?
A: Not being retarded.

Now...

Quote:

Arguing On The Internet
http://www.weaintcool.com/Articles/argue.html

By - Rosencrantz

I’m sure we have all seen the same picture a thousand times. A mentally retarded boy is so happy to be running his little legs off. He makes his way as fast as he can down the track towards the finish line. Meanwhile someone takes a picture and puts it on the internet. It only takes one genius to find the picture and put this caption on it:

Now if you are like me you look at that picture and laugh your ass off. It isn’t because you are mean and cruel. It isn’t just because the mentally handicapped are a source of internet-nerd humour along with other politically-incorrect topics. It is because that statement couldn’t be more true. Arguing on the internet makes any person look like a complete idiot. It is unavoidable. However, that doesn’t stop anyone from doing it.

I know I frequently get sucked into fighting with people on many chat boards. The most common being the videogame chat board. Each time I post, I KNOW that some jackass is going to try and call me an idiot or prove me wrong. It doesn’t even matter what I am talking about. I could just say, “I like this game. It is fun,” and there would be a 100 replies calling me a moron because there is another game that is exactly the same but much better. In fact, when it comes to that genre of gaming, the game I like is the worst and I must only like it because I am an idiot or just uneducated in the way of videogame greatness.

What can you say to that? You basically can sit there and have all these little 12 year old, know it all, cry-baby bitches cut you down…or you can try to defend yourself. Option 1 is unacceptable because you know that most of those people are losers who have nothing better to do than sit in front of their computer anxiously waiting for the next post. They get a rush from trying to be the first to respond no matter what the topic. If they have nothing to say, they just post some stupid smiley or “LOL” or something equally as pointless. These people are so desperate for contact they never leave the house and meet real people. Their only friends are online personalities who, in this case, are named after game characters.

Your other option is to give into the insanity and try to fight back. You will start off being polite and trying to defend your statement as logically as you possibly can. You will point out that you were not trying to put down any other games or people or system and only trying to state your enjoyment of the game. You will post that message feeling good about yourself because you have helped other people see things from your point of view…or so you thought.

Instead you will end up with even more flame mail. People will ignore your entire post and start arguments about completely unrelated things. They will misread something you wrote and then attack that so fiercely your head will spin. Plus you will get more mail calling you an ignorant, uneducated dumb-ass who should never show their face in public again. Oh yeah, you also suXXors and X-box rules all!

The problem with the internet, as I have said in the past, is that any inbred, dumb-ass and fuck-up can get access. Even schizophrenic, crack head, hobos can go to the nearest library and use the internet these days. People will search out whatever they were interested in at the moment. So if they like videogames, they will go to a videogame site or forum. If they like movies, they will check that out too. These people will make their way to the forum so that they can talk to other people who share their interest.

This all sounds sweet and good. It’s like paradise, especially if your friends don’t like talking about the t

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MIKECHANCE

Monday, May 10, 2004 5:20 AM

No proof, I got this info from a Friend who is in the Army Reserve down there...

Another friend followed up on it and confirmed there was a convoy one night at least. As to who escorted it, he couldn't tell.

I'm just putting the idea out there: Perhaps the US didn't "find" WMDs because it doesn't want the UN to get thier grubby little hands on 'em. They did originally belong to the US anyway.

I don't want Bush in office... I don't want Kerry either. I'll be either not voting or voting independant.

That ain't no shepard...

ECMORGAN69

Monday, May 10, 2004 9:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
May is Masturbation month!
There is going to be a Masturbate-a-thon on
May 16! How many kittens will die (much deserved deaths, mind you)

http://www.grandopening.com/classes/029.shtml

Quote:
Originally posted by ecmorgan69:
While I'm busy being an "asshole", I think I will annoy bunny-huggers and people who like to be "master of their domain"

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

Outstanding photo! I definitely saved that one for the photo collection. That's right, kittens must die!

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah,

you, FOX TV!!

ECMORGAN69

Monday, May 10, 2004 9:14 AM

You know, in the interest of interstellar amity at this board, when I feel the need to toss out a STFU, I'll use the "Warm Cup..." photo instead. While personally, I don't think it displays my default level of bitter properly, it still gets the point across. And, it'll keep the deluge of flamers who really don't give a damn but want to seem a lot more caring, sensitive and P.C. than they really are. Thanks for the photo!

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

SIGNYM

Monday, May 10, 2004 4:05 PM

Mike- I heard from a friend of a friend- who happened to be a captain in Iraq- that the WMD "finding" mission was just a cleanup job from our provisioning Saddam in the 80's because it would have been too embarrassing for all those "made in USA" items to start showing up. Also, there was a story from one of the Iraqi Governing Council members that that USA ships were supposedly UNloading 80's-era weapons in a southern port city in Iraq under very tight (no Iraqis allowed inside the perimeter) security. Like all info, I put it in the box and wait an see whether there is corroborating info from other sources. (For example, perhaps a loading operation was mistakne for an unloading one.) Right now, that information is in my "interesting, but speculative" mental box.

But to be perfectly clear about the significance of 80's weapons, among the chemical weapons (mustard, sarin, lewisite, tabun, phosgene etc etc.) only mustard gas is stable for decades, the remainder would have already deteriorated. And as far as biological weapons, it takes a lot of work to turn a few vials into large amounts of weaponized material. In other words, any WMD that we provided- or WMD that he made with our equipment- is no longer useful. (With the exception of mustard gas)

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 8, 2007 1:07 AM

Wow, now THIS is a blast from the past!

How did yu find this, Rue?

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Always look upstream.

RUE

Saturday, September 8, 2007 1:11 AM

Just scanned the oldest threads for 'WMD'.

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JAYNEZTOWN

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 19, 2022 11:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush Visit Ukrainian Church Together

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/former-presidents-bill-clinton-george-005519
704.html

If anybody in power was really afraid of Russia, they would not put Bush and Clinton into a Ukrainian space together.

Bush and Clinton had better hope there isn't anything after we die, because they'll both be burning in hell for eternity.

Only the stupidest of cretins think this story has any meaning at all.

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Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

JAYNEZTOWN

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nstrosity-in-afghanistan-and-/

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