Peter Schiff Tells Saudis How to Collapse the US Dollar to LOUD APPLAUSE! WOW!

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PARTICIPANT

Monday, February 16, 2009 2:27 AM

Peter Schiff Tells the Saudis How to Crash the US Dollar

and HE GETS A LOUD APPLAUSE! WOW!

AURAPTOR

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:06 AM

At the very end, does he say we're gonna spend all the money foolishly? He's got THAT part right !

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

KWICKO

Monday, February 16, 2009 6:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
At the very end, does he say we're gonna spend all the money foolishly? He's got THAT part right !

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Yeah, we really should spend that money wisely - on, say, invading Iraq and occupying it. Now THAT is a smart way to blow a trillion bucks or so...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

SERGEANTX

Monday, February 16, 2009 7:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, we really should spend that money wisely - on, say, invading Iraq and occupying it. Now THAT is a smart way to blow a trillion bucks or so...

Hehe.... plenty of ways to waste money, that's for sure. And it seems the Feds are dedicating to indulging each and every one.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

KWICKO

Monday, February 16, 2009 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, we really should spend that money wisely - on, say, invading Iraq and occupying it. Now THAT is a smart way to blow a trillion bucks or so...

Hehe.... plenty of ways to waste money, that's for sure. And it seems the Feds are dedicating to indulging each and every one.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Yeah, no lie there...

Truth be told, it's not the waste I mind so much - I'm used to that by now - it's the wasting our money and giving us nothing in return except the need to borrow even MORE money to turn around and waste.

If they want to waste money on things like roads and bridge construction and upkeep, I'm all for it. If they're wasting it on things like invasions and bombing campaigns, count me out.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

SERGEANTX

Monday, February 16, 2009 8:08 PM

For me it's the inexorable expansion of federal power that the ugliest bit. I'd be willing to write off the wasted cash, if they'd just quit making things worse. Hell, double the salaries of every member of congress and send them on permanent recess. It'd be well worth the money to keep them from fucking anything else up.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

PIRATENEWS

Monday, February 16, 2009 8:34 PM

Isn't his father now in prison for writing a banned book saying the income tax is voluntary, since the 16th Amendment was never ratified by the states?

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AURAPTOR

Monday, February 16, 2009 10:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
At the very end, does he say we're gonna spend all the money foolishly? He's got THAT part right !

Yeah, we really should spend that money wisely - on, say, invading Iraq and occupying it. Now THAT is a smart way to blow a trillion bucks or so...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

Sure. Saddam was an o.k. guy. So were his sons too.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SERGEANTX

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sure. Saddam was an o.k. guy. So were his sons too.

If you say so. They were irrelevant in any case.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

AURAPTOR

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sure. Saddam was an o.k. guy. So were his sons too.

If you say so. They were irrelevant in any case.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Not according to the Clinton administration.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand them.

SERGEANTX

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:30 PM

LOL, Okaaaay. So, you're a follower of Clinton now?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

AURAPTOR

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
LOL, Okaaaay. So, you're a follower of Clinton now?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

Has nothing to do with LIKING Clinton.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand them.

SERGEANTX

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:36 PM

So what's your point exactly? You're an enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in mystery.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

AURAPTOR

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:38 PM

You said that Saddam was irrelevant. I disagreed. There was the U.N., and it's 17 Resolutions, and also the Clinton administration, which saw Saddam as a threat, long before W even ran for office.

That's my point.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand them.

KWICKO

Monday, February 16, 2009 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
At the very end, does he say we're gonna spend all the money foolishly? He's got THAT part right !

Yeah, we really should spend that money wisely - on, say, invading Iraq and occupying it. Now THAT is a smart way to blow a trillion bucks or so...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

Sure. Saddam was an o.k. guy. So were his sons too.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Never claimed that Saddam was "an o.k. guy". He was an asshole. Thing is, he was THEIR asshole to deal with, not ours.

You okay with just pissing away a trillion bucks on every pisspot dictator who falls out of favor with us, just on the basis of them not being "an o.k. guy"? If you are, quit bitching about government waste, 'cause Dubya wasted PLENTY of money - and well over 4000 American lives - tilting quixotically at non-threatening "threats".

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You said that Saddam was irrelevant. I disagreed. There was the U.N., and it's 17 Resolutions, and also the Clinton administration, which saw Saddam as a threat, long before W even ran for office.

That's my point.

Ahh... I see. So you're saying Bush was just as wrong as they were. Awesome!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:03 AM

it wasn't a waste of $$ or lives, Quite the contrary, it's what our founding fathers had imagined us doing from the very start.

But never mind that. Think more about how we'll ever get out of Obama's Enorumulus tax / spend bill instead.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:06 AM

Oh, and it wasn't just W's idea, either.....

Quote:
The Clinton Administration's Case Against Saddam
George W. Bush wasn't the first president to understand the threat from Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
by Daniel McKivergan
06/23/2004 6:30:00 PM

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT Al Gore recently told an audience that "the [Bush] administration did not hesitate to heighten and distort public fear of terrorism after September 11th, to create a political case for attacking Iraq." With this in mind, I would to like draw your attention to a Project brief entitled, The Clinton Administration's Public Case Against Saddam Hussein. Some highlights:

* The New York Times reported that at the November 14 [1997] meeting the "White House decided to prepare the country for war." According to the Times, "[t]he decision was made to begin a public campaign through interviews on the Sunday morning television news programs to inform the American people of the dangers of biological warfare." During this time, the Washington Post reported that President Clinton specifically directed Cohen "to raise the profile of the biological and chemical threat."

* On November 16, Cohen made a widely reported appearance on ABC's This Week in which he placed a five-pound bag of sugar on the table and stated that that amount of anthrax "would destroy at least half the population" of Washington, D.C."

* In an article ("America the Vulnerable; A disaster is just waiting to happen if Iraq unleashes its poison and germs," November 24, 1997), Time wrote that "officials in Washington are deeply worried about what some of them call 'strategic crime.' By that they mean the merging of the output from a government's arsenals, like Saddam's biological weapons, with a group of semi-independent terrorists, like radical Islamist groupswho might slip such bioweapons into the U.S. and use them."
* In Sacramento, November 15, Clinton painted a bleak future if nations did not cooperate against "organized forces of destruction," telling the audience that only a small amount of "nuclear cake put in a bomb would do ten times as much damage as the Oklahoma City bomb did." Effectively dealing with proliferation and not letting weapons "fall into the wrong hands" is "fundamentally what is stake in the stand off we're having in Iraq today."

* He [President Clinton] asked Americans to not to view the current crisis as a "replay" of the Gulf War in 1991. Instead, "think about it in terms of the innocent Japanese people that died in the subway when the sarin gas was released [by the religious cult Aum Shinrikyo in 1995]; and how important it is for every responsible government in the world to do everything that can possibly be done not to let big stores of chemical or biological weapons fall into the wrong hands, not to let irresponsible people develop the capacity to put them in warheads on missiles or put them in briefcases that could be
exploded in small rooms. And I say this not to frighten you."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/262b
qypn.asp

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:07 AM

I'm not sure we will. This may be the beginning of the end.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Oh, and it wasn't just W's idea, either.....

Quote:
The Clinton Administration's Case Against Saddam
George W. Bush wasn't the first president to understand the threat from Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
by Daniel McKivergan
06/23/2004 6:30:00 PM

FORMER VICE PRESIDENT Al Gore recently told an audience that "the [Bush] administration did not hesitate to heighten and distort public fear of terrorism after September 11th, to create a political case for attacking Iraq." With this in mind, I would to like draw your attention to a Project brief entitled, The Clinton Administration's Public Case Against Saddam Hussein. Some highlights:

* The New York Times reported that at the November 14 [1997] meeting the "White House decided to prepare the country for war." According to the Times, "[t]he decision was made to begin a public campaign through interviews on the Sunday morning television news programs to inform the American people of the dangers of biological warfare." During this time, the Washington Post reported that President Clinton specifically directed Cohen "to raise the profile of the biological and chemical threat."

* On November 16, Cohen made a widely reported appearance on ABC's This Week in which he placed a five-pound bag of sugar on the table and stated that that amount of anthrax "would destroy at least half the population" of Washington, D.C."

* In an article ("America the Vulnerable; A disaster is just waiting to happen if Iraq unleashes its poison and germs," November 24, 1997), Time wrote that "officials in Washington are deeply worried about what some of them call 'strategic crime.' By that they mean the merging of the output from a government's arsenals, like Saddam's biological weapons, with a group of semi-independent terrorists, like radical Islamist groupswho might slip such bioweapons into the U.S. and use them."
* In Sacramento, November 15, Clinton painted a bleak future if nations did not cooperate against "organized forces of destruction," telling the audience that only a small amount of "nuclear cake put in a bomb would do ten times as much damage as the Oklahoma City bomb did." Effectively dealing with proliferation and not letting weapons "fall into the wrong hands" is "fundamentally what is stake in the stand off we're having in Iraq today."

* He [President Clinton] asked Americans to not to view the current crisis as a "replay" of the Gulf War in 1991. Instead, "think about it in terms of the innocent Japanese people that died in the subway when the sarin gas was released [by the religious cult Aum Shinrikyo in 1995]; and how important it is for every responsible government in the world to do everything that can possibly be done not to let big stores of chemical or biological weapons fall into the wrong hands, not to let irresponsible people develop the capacity to put them in warheads on missiles or put them in briefcases that could be
exploded in small rooms. And I say this not to frighten you."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/262b
qypn.asp

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

Can you show me the part where Clinton launched an invasion of Iraq, since you claim it wasn't W's idea?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
it wasn't a waste of $$ or lives, Quite the contrary, it's what our founding fathers had imagined us doing from the very start.

But never mind that. Think more about how we'll ever get out of Obama's Enorumulus tax / spend bill instead.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

Can you show me where the Founding Fathers ever advocated invading sovereign nations for no good reason at all?

Or, as Geezer would say (but would never say to any right-wingers): Cites, please?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:49 AM

Quote:

Can you show me the part where Clinton launched an invasion of Iraq, since you claim it wasn't W's idea?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

That's not the issue here. Clinton launched missiles when he felt it was politically expedient, but the POINT was whether Saddam was viewed as a real problem or not. Clearly, Clinton and his administration did, as they supported regime change in Iraq. Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:55 AM

Quote:
Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

I could also point out at this juncture a couple of things:

1. Because Bush's way of doing things in Afghanistan and along the Pakistani border failed to yield any positive results, Obama has that many fewer options to work with.

And back to the money question,

2. Because Bush's way of doing things when it came to the economy failed to yield any positive results, and indeed yielded enormously negative results, Obama now has that many fewer options to work with.

See? Look at all the fun you can have with words!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

I could also point out at this juncture a couple of things:

1. Because Bush's way of doing things in Afghanistan and along the Pakistani border failed to yield any positive results, Obama has that many fewer options to work with.

And back to the money question,

2. Because Bush's way of doing things when it came to the economy failed to yield any positive results, and indeed yielded enormously negative results, Obama now has that many fewer options to work with.

See? Look at all the fun you can have with words!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

Only the problem is, you can't cite for us where Bush's policies " failed " the economy. The stock market tanked in the last 6 months of his last term in office, far too little time for him to do anything about it.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
it wasn't a waste of $$ or lives, Quite the contrary, it's what our founding fathers had imagined us doing from the very start.

As undoubtably true as this is, it's hard to see how the founding fathers intended waging war with countries to bring 'freedom' to the world, when they didn't want a federal armed force.

Perhaps they had been reading up on their Charlemagne
"Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky."

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
But never mind that. Think more about how we'll ever get out of Obama's Enorumulus tax / spend bill instead.

It's rather more grown up than "borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend debt debt debt"...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Also, because Clinton's way of doing things failed to yield any positive results, W had that many fewer options to work with.

I could also point out at this juncture a couple of things:

1. Because Bush's way of doing things in Afghanistan and along the Pakistani border failed to yield any positive results, Obama has that many fewer options to work with.

And back to the money question,

2. Because Bush's way of doing things when it came to the economy failed to yield any positive results, and indeed yielded enormously negative results, Obama now has that many fewer options to work with.

See? Look at all the fun you can have with words!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

Only the problem is, you can't cite for us where Bush's policies " failed " the economy. The stock market tanked in the last 6 months of his last term in office, far too little time for him to do anything about it.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

And you can't cite where Obama's policies have "failed" the economy, either. He hasn't been in office a month, yet you're already laying the failures of the last eight years at his feet!

Just for the record, can you PLEASE give us your definition of what Bush's actual effective term was? You've stated often and repeatedly that 9/11 had nothing to do with him, because he'd only been in office less than a year. Now you say the economic collapse that was a direct result of almost 8 years of Bush's economic policies had nothing do do with him because he was on his way out the door. So WHEN was he actually in there having an effect on things? What was there that Bush ever did that had ANYTHING to do with him?

And are you willing to cut Clinton and Obama the exact same amount of slack?

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just for the record, can you PLEASE give us your definition of what Bush's actual effective term was? You've stated often and repeatedly that 9/11 had nothing to do with him, because he'd only been in office less than a year. Now you say the economic collapse that was a direct result of almost 8 years of Bush's economic policies had nothing do do with him because he was on his way out the door. So WHEN was he actually in there having an effect on things? What was there that Bush ever did that had ANYTHING to do with him?

You noticed that as well eh? It's not Bush's fault because it happened to late for him to react too. Ignore the fact he was in power 8 years beforehand enacting economic policy.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:33 PM

Bush's tax cuts spurred on the economy and rallied us out of the recession in place he inherited. Problem was, the tax cuts were too small, and came with too much excessive spending, such as Farm Aid, Pharma Aid, and Iraq Aid. To date, what Obama is attempting to do is a poor idea, as it's been tried by other countries before, notably Japan, and with dismal results.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:34 PM

For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

And then the bubble his economic policies created, imploded.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

There's a few moments when a drunk can exhibit unusual strength, doesn't make him exceptional during the whole night.
What's your point?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

And then the bubble his economic policies created, imploded.

How so ? What was it that Bush did which caused that to happen?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
There's a few moments when a drunk can exhibit unusual strength, doesn't make him exceptional during the whole night.
What's your point?

The laughing Chrisisall

Speaking from personal experience ?

The childish attempt by you to call Bush a DRUNK and ignore dealing w/ the issue only proves my point. Thanks!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
it wasn't a waste of $$ or lives, Quite the contrary, it's what our founding fathers had imagined us doing from the very start.

Oh REALLY?
Wow, I must have mis-interpreted it, or maybe I missed the part about "Making The World America."

Right-wing angry monkey seeing the world though fearful eyes
Not understanding that freedom's not simply a prize
The brass ring will differ from land to land
It would help if you removed your head from the sand.
(c) 2009 CIA Poems For Rap

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:54 PM

Quote:
Problem was, the tax cuts were too small, and came with too much excessive spending, such as... Iraq Aid.

Oh, come ON! You JUST finished telling me that Iraq was NOT a waste of money! Which is it? Was it not a waste, or was it too much excessive spending? I don't really see how it can be both.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
For well over 2 years, Bush's economy yielded lower than 5% unemployment while the Dow reached a record 14,000.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

Yup, and in one day I made $10,000. By that record, I make over $3,650,000 per year!

What you're conveniently forgetting - again - is that you have to take the bad with the good. Yes, the Dow peaked over 14000. And on Bush's last day in office, it closed under 8000. So your wonderful presidency - during which Bush either was or was not responsible for everything or anything - saw the Dow fall 45% in his last few years in office. That's change we can't afford!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The childish attempt by you to call Bush a DRUNK and ignore dealing w/ the issue only proves my point. Thanks!

I was wondering if you would miss the point. And you did.

Where did I call Bush a drunk?
See little monkey, I was comparing the two situations as having some good results from overall bad decisions, it was in no way calling Bush a drunk. Why? Is he? Do you have some personal knowledge you like to share with the rest of the class?
You are so lost, dude.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Problem was, the tax cuts were too small, and came with too much excessive spending, such as... Iraq Aid.

Oh, come ON! You JUST finished telling me that Iraq was NOT a waste of money! Which is it? Was it not a waste, or was it too much excessive spending? I don't really see how it can be both.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

The war wasn't, but clearly, there was mismanagement and excess spending of the American tax payer's $$. Fleets of brand new garbage trucks and other maintenance vehicles were sent over to Iraq, when they clearly could have had a serious upgrade with slightly used vehicles, and the $$ for the NEW rigs spent over here. Inexcusable waste , no question, on part of the rebuilding of Iraq. But not the war.

That's how it can be " both ". Capiche ?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

That's how it can be " both ". Capiche ?

You seem used to having it both ways.
I wonder if that extends into other areas of your life, eh?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How so ? What was it that Bush did which caused that to happen?

So what, his economic policy was responsible for the bubble when it looked good, but when it burst it's not down to him?

Make your mind up. Either Bush's economic policy resulted in a bubble, a bubble that gave you the 5% unemployment and high stock market index, or it didn't.

If it did, then take ownership of the bad, as well as the good. If it didn't stop whining about the low unemployment and high stock market.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Where did I call Bush a drunk?
See little monkey, I was comparing the two situations as having some good results from overall bad decisions, it was in no way calling Bush a drunk. Why? Is he? Do you have some personal knowledge you like to share with the rest of the class?
You are so lost, dude.

The laughing Chrisisall

Per the discussion, it was clearly implied on your part. Now you're simply being a troll, and I've no use for your antics any more.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:16 PM

You've yet to make a case, either way. This is boring.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You've yet to make a case, either way. This is boring.

Cool, so you agree you've not made your case, and Bush's policy didn't help the economy, thanks.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Per the discussion, it was clearly implied on your part.

I used the comparison I used, YOU took from it something else.
You know what, stop posting. I forbid you to even reply to my post here. Be an angry monkey that barely responds to the language on some Iraqi website, you can boast of your innate superiority THERE.

Putz.
Douche.
Lemon.
Biped.
Quark.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:39 PM

Well whadya know? I finally got the last word.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The McCoy Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You've yet to make a case, either way. This is boring.

Cool, so you agree you've not made your case, and Bush's policy didn't help the economy, thanks.

How do you figure on that's what I agree ? I said YOU failed to make YOUR case, either way. As in you've not shown where Clinton should get the credit or Bush get the blame for their respective economies. NOT " you failed to make your case either ".

Reading comprehension - 101.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

you've not shown where Clinton should get the credit or Bush get the blame for their respective economies.

Whiny little monkey biotch, you can't read what's put before you, as you've been demonstrating ad nauseum. Why throw it up to be not-absorbed more than once? You see it, you do not take in the words, and you declare victory, that's the pattern.
Watch it- there's crocks in denial.

Now stop posting. that's an order, and since humans are more evolved than monkeys, you must listen to me.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How do you figure on that's what I agree ? I said YOU failed to make YOUR case, either way. As in you've not shown where Clinton should get the credit or Bush get the blame for their respective economies. NOT " you failed to make your case either ".

Reading comprehension - 101.

Well, you've got that right. When did I say anything about Clinton?

Reading comprehension failure indeed.

Notes, for the record, that Rap has still failed to make his case.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:12 AM

Quote:
Inexcusable waste , no question, on part of the rebuilding of Iraq. But not the war.

Really. So are you now saying that Bremer, Wolfowitz, and the Bush Administration's figures going in were accurate? They claimed the war would cost no more than $17 billion to U.S. taxpayers. Remember that? So the entire rest of that damn near trillion dollars we've budgeted to the war so far is ALL down to "mismanagement", then? Geez, that's some seriously shitty management, is all I can say.

Seventeen Billion. That's the figure the Administration put out before the invasion. That's the price they quoted us. So every penny after that makes the war and the invasion an utter waste of time, money, and lives.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:12 AM

Quote:
Notes, for the record, that Rap has still failed to make his case.

Ever.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:25 AM

It's war. That we went in on the cheap with a smaller force than most said we should, and still got the job done, damn incredible, and nothing short. But the whole reconstruction part, imo, is where we screwed up the most.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Notes, for the record, that Rap has still failed to make his case.

Ever.

Always do, actually. You're just too blindly partisan to acknowledge.

I get that. It's a character flaw on your part, and one I thankfully don't have to deal with.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's war.

Oh.
Okay, that squashes all our arguments- sorry.
You win, again. The whiny angry monkey pulls it out of the fire. Bet your momma's damn proud of you, son! You schooled us, all right! I am humbled before your keen & singular perspective. If had known all I had to do to be happy was just throw reason out the window, I'd have done it long before now. Spin & skew, that's the ticket!
Thank you AURaptor, for setting us right.
Thank you!

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:36 AM

Quote:
But the whole reconstruction part, imo, is where we screwed up the most.

'Course, if we hadn't gone in to begin with, there'd be no reconstruction to screw up... So the invasion was the really big fuck-up. Without it, all that followed simply wouldn't have.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Notes, for the record, that Rap has still failed to make his case.

Ever.

Never do, actually. I'm just too blindly partisan to acknowledge it.

I get that. It's a character flaw on my part, and one you thankfully don't have to deal with.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people WILL understand.

There ya go; fixed that for ya.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're just too blindly partisan

*DING*
Pot has Kettle on the ropes, Kettle bongs Pot, Pot returns with a klang to kettle's blind side, Kettle come back with a...

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

'Course, if we hadn't gone in to begin with, there'd be no reconstruction to screw up...

But we HAD to, he was breaking UN resolutions, and we took them very seriously even if we didn't take the UN itself so.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

'Course, if we hadn't gone in to begin with, there'd be no reconstruction to screw up...
But we HAD to, he was breaking UN resolutions, and we took them very seriously even if we didn't take the UN itself so.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

Yup, because if there's one thing we will never, EVER allow another nation to do, it's flaunt U.N. resolutions. We won't allow Israel to do it, we won't allow China to do it, and we sure as HELL won't allow ourselves to do it!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

CITIZEN

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup, because if there's one thing we will never, EVER allow another nation to do, it's flaunt U.N. resolutions. We won't allow Israel to do it, we won't allow China to do it, and we sure as HELL won't allow ourselves to do it!

Except on weekdays and weekends. Pinky swear.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup, because if there's one thing we will never, EVER allow another nation to do, it's flaunt U.N. resolutions. We won't allow Israel to do it, we won't allow China to do it, and we sure as HELL won't allow ourselves to do it!

Except on weekdays and weekends. Pinky swear.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

Or on days that end in "y".

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, August 9, 2009 10:41 AM

ED Show refuses to let Schiff speak ever again

Senator Dodd = win

http://www.poligazette.com/2009/08/09/lawrence-o%E2%80%99donnell-inter
views-peter-schiff/comment-page-1/

SERGEANTX

Sunday, August 9, 2009 1:18 PM

Schiff really gets is.

The dynamic between them was interesting though. It sort of highlights the deliberate ignorance gripping the federal government.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

LEADB

Monday, August 10, 2009 10:04 PM

Lawrence O'Donnell came off as a complete jerk.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:50 AM

Oh, can we just move this partisan bickering to the paintball arena?

As for the "plan" this is way too late. The scheme he is talking about has already been put into action, foiled, unfoiled, foiled again, unfoiled again, and none of this has happened anywhere but China. The Saudis can't monopolize gold by buying a corporation, because A) there are huge gold stockpiles, and B) the gold belongs to countries, and a mining company only has "rights" which will be revoked if someone is using those rights to crash the world economy.

But the situation is far worse than it appears. Americans have already abandoned the dollar, it's only the little guy, shmucks like us, who still have the sinking thing, and the plan to set the panda as the new world currency has all sorts of problems, above and beyond acceptance of the rather absurd idea.

The fact is, a stable currency represents productivity. The RMB by itself, without the Panda, is already the world's strongest currency and likely to remain so unless it loses ground to the Rupee (Oh, this may sound silly, but just wait.) The reality is that China, with it's Gold=all cash on Earth plan is meaningless if India is producing more.

I'm not going into the several known problems with the plan if it *is* implemented, I think that Dr. Paul already shredded this idea, but just add a couple choice comments: "I can see no reason why any world power would want to hand control of the global economy to South Africa." Actually, there are a few other major gold producers, but they are all fairly silly choices for world rulers, and the point is "at least 80% of extant gold is still underground and belongs to those nation states." But I'll leave this one with a quote, and I can't remember whether this was Buffet who said this, but "I can think of nothing so useless to the world economy as gold. It is dug out of a hole in Africa, moved under high security to another hole in the ground, where it is then buried. I can't see how this benefits world productivity." Or words to that effect.

Edit: It sounds like Schiff gets the healthcare problem, but the interviewer is an ass.

This is no mystery guys: Unmanaged healthcare systems are at work all over the world, and successful at delivering a higher quality of care for a fraction of the cost.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, April 7, 2025 7:21 PM

Peter Schiff Says Nike 'Won't Build Factories' In US, They Will Sell To Countries Like China: A Much Better Strategy Amid Trump Tariffs

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/peter-schiff-says-nike-wont-180018691.h
tml

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 7, 2025 10:55 PM

Your barebones Nike cost more now than Air Jordans used to.

And the average Chinese person can't afford to pay anything close to what Americans pay for Nikes.

Fuck Nike.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, April 21, 2025 4:12 AM

Peter Schiff Says Since Trump Was Elected Bitcoin Advocates Took A 180 Turn On US Economy, But Critics Say Economist Mistaken

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/peter-schiff-says-since-trump-033035273
.html

it seems US Dollar collapse is back in the headlines

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 21, 2025 7:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
It seems US Dollar collapse is back in the headlines

What isn't?

*yawn*

Wake me up when something breaks.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon