Star Trek TOS remastered / New movie discussion

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, April 20, 2009 05:48
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CHRISISALL

Friday, April 3, 2009 6:56 PM

I have season two, and it's awesome! I'm working on getting season one...does anyone here have it? Tell me how great it is to make me jealous!
Or just discuss it a bit.

The Starfleet Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, April 3, 2009 8:42 PM

A little off topic, but what did you think of the trailer for the new movie?

http://www.startrekmovie.com/

Gives me a chill...

Cant wait to see it.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 3, 2009 8:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
A little off topic, but what did you think of the trailer for the new movie?

A friend of mine put it best when he said he's excited, but only when he remembers this alternate reality was created by Picard going back in time & messing about with the past.
(And it's no longer off topic

)

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, April 3, 2009 9:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
A little off topic, but what did you think of the trailer for the new movie?

A friend of mine put it best when he said he's excited, but only when he remembers this alternate reality was created by Picard going back in time & messing about with the past.
(And it's no longer off topic)

The laughing Chrisisall

Speaking of alternate realities try this review

http://www.afterelton.com/movies/2009/4/startrekgoesgay

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 3, 2009 9:08 PM

This must be a joke.

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, April 3, 2009 9:10 PM

Leonard Nimoy is really a cool guy

http://www.canada.com/entertainment/Vulcans+trek+premiere/1412876/stor
y.html

One week a year, Vulcan has what they call " Spock days " which winds up being a town wide star trek themed drunk fest and rodeo.

A really fun time, bound to be really fun this year

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, April 3, 2009 9:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
This must be a joke.

The laughing Chrisisall

I hate to admit it but I was wondering until I read

"In another surprising move, the movie includes the character of Jar Jar Binks – the universally-hated alien from a competing science fiction franchise, Star Wars."

completely over the top joke, lmao

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

WHOZIT

Friday, April 3, 2009 11:32 PM

Mr Shatner! In the episode where you drown your wife..why are you so fat? - Peter Griffin

SIMONWHO

Friday, April 3, 2009 11:58 PM

I'm actually really psyched up for the movie - I'm watching some of the best of TOS in preparation (remastered versions - they're fine, the new effects aren't too obtrusive and the picture does look incredibly sharp). Plus remember to read Countdown, the comic series leading up to the movie, complete with several awesome plot twists.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, April 4, 2009 4:38 PM

Just ordered TOS' first season remastered!!!
My Son, Wife & I will soon feast upon them.
"No dance tonight."

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Saturday, April 4, 2009 11:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I'm watching some of the best of TOS

That would be, like, seasons one & two.

The laughing Chrisisall

OPPYH

Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Just ordered TOS' first season remastered!!!
My Son, Wife & I will soon feast upon them.
"No dance tonight."

Dude, NO.
The Blu-Ray season 1 will be out in a few weeks, at practically the same price. I'm not telling you what to do, but cancel your order. It's only logical to assume you will go Blu at some point.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 5, 2009 1:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
It's only logical to assume you will go Blu at some point.

Actually, the zippers & make up lines are just about visible at this level, this is about as defined as I want to go. I may go Blu, but there are plenty of shows & movies I have that will ever stay standard DVD for me.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 5, 2009 2:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
at practically the same price.

Oh, and the set I ordered was $30 less than the Blu-Ray will be

.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 5, 2009 2:36 PM

Oh MAN!!! LOOK AT THIS:

EDIT!!!! The pictures I posted WERE NOT the new Enterprise. I was hoping against hope that they'd changed from the official design I saw...this is still it:

I will DEFINITELY have to get used to it...

The laughing Chrisisall

HKCAVALIER

Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:12 PM

And I don't know how excited I am about this whole "It's not really a reboot, it's an alternate timeline caused by Picard" thing. Really? Is that what the obsessive fanboys demand? I find the whole notion exhausting. Just let 'em remake the show fer cryin' outloud. You want the old show then watch the old show--let this version exist on its own terms, why not?

Yes, you want this to capture something of the old magic of Shatner/Nimoy/Kelly, but damn, I don't think you're gonna do it by pretending this isn't what it is--a new show.

If in ten years, Firefly found its way back to the small screen with a new cast taking over for our beloved BDH's (god forbid), I don't want to be told that this is an alternate timeline where Mal Reynolds doesn't look like Nathan Fillion. That's just damn silly.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 5, 2009 9:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Just let 'em remake the show fer cryin' outloud.

Look, the movie might be okay, but WHY redesign the ship AT ALL???
Remember Lost In Space, the movie? HAD to change the ship. HAD to change the ROBOT!!!
*flop*
Sure, ya gotta recast the characters, but these Hollywoodboys never get that YOU DON'T CHANGE THE TOYS!!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

HKCAVALIER

Sunday, April 5, 2009 11:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Look, the movie might be okay, but WHY redesign the ship AT ALL???
Remember Lost In Space, the movie? HAD to change the ship. HAD to change the ROBOT!!!
*flop*
Sure, ya gotta recast the characters, but these Hollywoodboys never get that YOU DON'T CHANGE THE TOYS!!!!!

Why redesign it? 'Cause this is sci-fi and not fantasy? 'Cause what looked like futurism on 60's TV looks like regional children's theatre today? 'Cause if they had a huge freakin' budget back in '68 the show woulda looked different anyway?

And crikey, Lost in Space didn't flop because the robot was redesigned--it flopped for the same reason all remakes flop--the script utterly sucked! Gary Oldman was nothing like the original Dr. Smith but he made it work 'cause he's flippin' brilliant. What we need in our remakes is brilliant people owning the property and doing something kickass with it! Slavish kowtowing to some elusive 50 year old fanbase doesn't put asses in the seats, Isall! (I'll see your

and raise ya a

)

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 5, 2009 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:

Why redesign it? 'Cause this is sci-fi and not fantasy? 'Cause what looked like futurism on 60's TV looks like regional children's theatre today?

Hey HK, have you seen the original series remastered? The ship looks BEAUTIFUL!!! No redesign, just slavish attention to detail & texture!!!

Quote:

And crikey, Lost in Space didn't flop because the robot was redesigned--it flopped for the same reason all remakes flop--the script utterly sucked!

It was serviceable, but utterly uninspired. I'm just sayin' if it at least looked right, it would have pulled maybe twice as many fans.

Then maybe the second one would have had a better script.

Quote:
Gary Oldman was nothing like the original Dr. Smith but he made it work 'cause he's flippin' brilliant.

Best thing in that movie IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, April 6, 2009 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Slavish kowtowing to some elusive 50 year old fanbase

I think of it as not tampering with an iconic design.
Look what they did to the Pepsi logo....

The laughing Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 1:09 AM

Yanno, I hate to say this, but thankfully I can get away with it cause I am half ploshed on brandy and headed for three sheets to the wind in a hurry...

You know what REALLY made some of the movies/episodes, as opposed to the amusement of Shatners scenery chewing glory ?

SHIP PR0N!

Seriously, does not the long slow pans of the ships add a glorious factor, especially on the big screen ?
And the interiors just touch it up, don't they ?

And combined with some seriously awesome soundtracks, especially Horners work, the acting is almost an afterthought!

I refer to you to what I consider hands down THE most awesome scene in trek, and with this in mind, note how the Ship Pr0n and Audio Score frames and enhances the truly masterful chemistry between Montalban and Shatner.

Complete with obligatory evil overlord gloating!
And gettin kicked in the teeth for it!

While I don't hold out much hope for the pretty-boy cast, formula-matic "acting" and obligatory wangsty crap (which Kirk never truly suffered from a single day in his entire freakin life!) I do plan to throw the bills at it and see it on the big screen for the very reasons detailed above.

In vino, veritas, folks - cause it ain't a bunch of boy-band rejects imma be goin there to see, righty-O ?

-NowquiteploshedFrem

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 3:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
(which Kirk never truly suffered from a single day in his entire freakin life!)

Really? Never? I got one word for ya: "MIRAMANI!"

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 1:47 PM

OOoooooo, Ship PrOn.....

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 1:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:

Really? Never? I got one word for ya: "MIRAMANI!"

"Let's get the Hell out of here."

The laughing Chrisisall

2BY2GINGERBLUE

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 4:02 PM

I can't wait either! I never watched any of the shows, but have seen all the movies.

LEEDAVIDT

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 4:14 PM

i've been watching the remastered version of tos on cbs.com occasionally.
even on my pc i can tell a huge difference in quality.now i need to purchase,(hopefully)the series in blu-ray if and when it comes out...

On February 17, 2009- Paramount announced the Season 1 of TOS on Blu Ray for a May release to coincide with the new feature film coming from Paramount.[27] It was rumoured that with the Remastered versions on this release, the original versions will also be included. It's suspected Seasons 2 and 3 will follow.

http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 6:09 PM

I dunno, HKC, the only thing ever so consistent about James T Kirk was his unshakeable certainty that he was always right, usually in combination with an out and out legendary arrogance.

Which, of course, was part of his charm.

I honestly don't think the man was even capable of much more than a brief period of vague uncertainty, usually lasting mere minutes, if that.

I'm pretty sure the guy was incapable of whiny angst.

-F

Oh yeah, just for giggles, THIS.
http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/go-climb-a-rock-fitted-tshirt/24468
2983

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I'm pretty sure the guy was incapable of whiny angst.

Oh, there was about thirty seconds of it from him in "The Naked Time'...

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, April 13, 2009 3:36 PM

I wuz gypped!!!
In the re-mastered "Devil In The Dark" I wanted to see a baby Horta scoot across the desk & it didn't happen!!!!

The GRRRR Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Monday, April 13, 2009 4:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Slavish kowtowing to some elusive 50 year old fanbase
I think of it as not tampering with an iconic design.
Look what they did to

That logic might hold better if it hadn't alrerady been redesigned a few times.

Personally, I like this design.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

RIPWASH

Monday, April 13, 2009 4:52 PM

The other redesigns were because of the old versions being destroyed if I remember correctly.

But with this NEW movie, even though still cannon, Abrams is taking the point of view that this one person, Nero, going back in time to get vengence on Spock has completely and totally screwed up the timeline via the butterfly effect. That action messed with many things on mulitple levels, one of which could very well be how the Enterprise was designed. Just look at it that way and everything will be all right

Now that I know more about the basic plot devices Abrams is using here, I'm really psyched to see this movie. I know Shatner was upset that he was not asked to appear, but really, how could he the way the story was written? Next to impossible. I just hope I get to see it in a theater and not have to wait for DVD.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

CHRISISALL

Monday, April 13, 2009 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

That logic might hold better if it hadn't alrerady been redesigned a few times.

I just saw the toy http://store.startrek.com/product/show/54493
of the new movie Enterprise, and I have come to accept the new design. I have cleared my mind am am ready to fully enjoy this new effort.

The laughing Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Monday, April 13, 2009 9:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
The other redesigns were because of the old versions being destroyed if I remember correctly.

Not the Motion Picture version, it was just a spiffed-up re-design in the manner of what we have here.

After that though, yeah, they blowed 'em up.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, April 13, 2009 9:12 PM

I wish they would make a Deep Space Nine movie or TV movie or something,

of all the series, it was my favorite... and Avery Brooks as Ben Sisko was my favorite Captain.

It also seemed like Treks first experiment with long term plot and storylines ( maybe copying Babylon 5 a little in that ) and I think it helped evolved scifi that way a little bit.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

STORYMARK

Monday, April 13, 2009 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I wish they would make a Deep Space Nine movie or TV movie or something,

of all the series, it was my favorite... and Avery Brooks as Ben Sisko was my favorite Captain.

Same here. Alas, I gave up on that hope long ago.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STEAMER

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:11 AM

It took me freaking FOREVER to find the first season DVD set (ended up getting it from Amazon eventually). The whole series, though....man. Even though there are some episodes of the third season that I just can't force myself to endure (chief amongst them 'The Way to Eden' and 'The Savage Curtain'), I grew up on Star Trek reruns and I say the new view is freaking BRILLIANT! Sometimes I find that the score from some episodes - 'The Naked Time', 'The Enemy Within' and 'The Doomsday Machine' especial - gets stuck in my head for a day or longer. Ahhh, the memories. Fond and fine (or painful with regard to the Shat's third-season antics).

Now as to the Enterprise rendered in the new movie....eww. Just eww. That's all I can really say without sounding like a snotty Star Trek purist. I just hope the 'number curse' of the Trek films remains broken.

Kaylee sees her
Captain's frown
Still won't put
That capture down
FIREFLY

Captain of the New England Browncoats
http://www.myspace.com/nebrowncoats

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Steamer:

Now as to the Enterprise rendered in the new movie....eww. Just eww. That's all I can really say without sounding like a snotty Star Trek purist.

Is this really so bad...?

Quote:
I just hope the 'number curse' of the Trek films remains broken.

The "curse" thing is bollocks IMO.
1 & 3 were good, no matter what Andorians say.

The laughing Chrisisall

STEAMER

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:59 PM

I dunno, it just looks....wrong. Maybe it'd look better if I hadn't grown up watching TOS reruns almost every afternoon.

And oh yes, 3 was good (just watched it last night in fact), and 10 was ugh. Other than that, though, there is something to the number curse if you ask me. ;) 2, for instance, was best of the lot. KHAAAANNNN!!!!

Theater talking
Is a knell
One way to the
Special hell
FIREFLY

Captain of the New England Browncoats
http://www.myspace.com/nebrowncoats

RIPWASH

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Steamer:

Now as to the Enterprise rendered in the new movie....eww. Just eww. That's all I can really say without sounding like a snotty Star Trek purist.
Is this really so bad...?

Quote:
I just hope the 'number curse' of the Trek films remains broken.

The "curse" thing is bollocks IMO.
1 & 3 were good, no matter what Andorians say.

The laughing Chrisisall

I don't think so. Looks modern and that's what people really want. For newbies to the series (hard to imagine, I know) they'll think it looks, neat. Purists will have a problem with it. People like me who are sci-fi fans in general won't mind the change (at least I don't).

But that brings me to another question. I grew up watching TOS after school and what not. Watched TNG (loyally), DS9 and Voyager (not as much but still enjoyed them - didn't get into "Enterprise"), and have seen most of the movies except for maybe the last two. Though not a die-hard Trekkie, I do enjoy them as good sci-fi and I'm relatively familiar with the cannon. I want my kids to enjoy the Trek universe as well. How should I introduce them? I have the first movie at home (from the library) that I want us all to watch together, but I fear that would entail a build-up storytelling marathon on my part (or at the very least stopping the movie every now and then to explain the relationships and all that).

What would you all recommend I show them first? A few episodes of each series? Or what?

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

STORYMARK

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:33 PM

I think the number "curse" applies more to the good films than bad. Yeah 3 was decent (would be better without Kirks pink uniform...) as was 1, but 2, 4, 6, and 8 are pretty far above the others.

Except, yeah, 10/Nemesis sucked hard. Far moreso than the odd-numbered Insurrection.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:23 PM

http://www.startrekmovie.com/modelgallery/

some design options

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Except, yeah, 10/Nemesis sucked hard. Far moreso than the odd-numbered Insurrection.

Speaking subjectively here, 1 was my favourite (the Wise Cut), and I loved Insurrection.
Nemisis took a second viewing to become acceptable, and as it's Jerry Goldsmith's final Trek score, I had to own it. But even Goldsmith couldn't make me get 5

.

The laughing Chrisisall

STORYMARK

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Except, yeah, 10/Nemesis sucked hard. Far moreso than the odd-numbered Insurrection.

Speaking subjectively here, 1 was my favourite (the Wise Cut), and I loved Insurrection.
Nemisis took a second viewing to become acceptable, and as it's Jerry Goldsmith's final Trek score, I had to own it. But even Goldsmith couldn't make me get 5.

The laughing Chrisisall

I'm pretty loyal to Khan as my favorite, with First Contact and Undiscovered country close behind. I like 1, but as a more intellectual excersize - it doesn't grab me in the way the others do.

I liked Insurrection, and am kinda stupified by all the hate I see leveled at it. Sure, it's not the most cinematic, and really just boils down to a long episode. But though it might be a bit mediocre as a movie-movie, I still like it. Nemesis, however, was so terribly written that I can't sit through it. It's almost Final Frontier-bad to me.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:23 PM

I like all the Star Trek movies. Ranked in order of my preference they are :

1. The Voyage Home
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Search For Spock
4. First Contact
5. Generations
6. Insurrection
7. Nemesis
8. The Undiscovered Country
9. The Motion Picture
10.The Final Frontier

Those that don't see it this way are illogical.

RIPWASH

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:

But that brings me to another question. I grew up watching TOS after school and what not. Watched TNG (loyally), DS9 and Voyager (not as much but still enjoyed them - didn't get into "Enterprise"), and have seen most of the movies except for maybe the last two. Though not a die-hard Trekkie, I do enjoy them as good sci-fi and I'm relatively familiar with the cannon. I want my kids to enjoy the Trek universe as well. How should I introduce them? I have the first movie at home (from the library) that I want us all to watch together, but I fear that would entail a build-up storytelling marathon on my part (or at the very least stopping the movie every now and then to explain the relationships and all that).

What would you all recommend I show them first? A few episodes of each series? Or what?

Anyone? Anyone at all?

I feel like I'm being ignored today! LOL

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:

But that brings me to another question. I grew up watching TOS after school and what not. Watched TNG (loyally), DS9 and Voyager (not as much but still enjoyed them - didn't get into "Enterprise"), and have seen most of the movies except for maybe the last two. Though not a die-hard Trekkie, I do enjoy them as good sci-fi and I'm relatively familiar with the cannon. I want my kids to enjoy the Trek universe as well. How should I introduce them? I have the first movie at home (from the library) that I want us all to watch together, but I fear that would entail a build-up storytelling marathon on my part (or at the very least stopping the movie every now and then to explain the relationships and all that).

What would you all recommend I show them first? A few episodes of each series? Or what?

Anyone? Anyone at all?

I feel like I'm being ignored today! LOL

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

Ripwash, I think this might be helpful :
Start your kids off with the Star Trek Animated series. I don't know how old they are, but most kids like cartoons. The Trek animated series ran 1973-1974 and has 22 episodes available on DVD. They are terrific, many being sequels to original Trek tv episodes. If they like the cartoons, then they'll be ready for the tv show, and the actors' voices and characters will be familiar to them.

RIPWASH

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:17 PM

I forgot all about those!

They might like them . . . but aren't the cartoons a little . . . hokey? I don't remember them all that well, I just remember bad animation. LOL

I think they'd like the live-action stuff better at this stage. I guess I'll just start from the begining.

Zoe: "Get it running again."
Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
- Out of Gas

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:

They might like them . . . but aren't the cartoons a little . . . hokey? I don't remember them all that well, I just remember bad animation.

The animation outright sucks. The stories are good, but I'd show them that stuff last. Start with the original series eps, my son swears by them. Then bleed in TNG, the movies etc.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

1. The Voyage Home
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Search For Spock
4. First Contact
5. Generations
6. Insurrection
7. Nemesis
8. The Undiscovered Country
9. The Motion Picture
10.The Final Frontier

Me:
1. The Motion Picture
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4. The Search For Spock
5. Wrath Of Khan
6. Insurrection
7. The Voyage Home
8. Nemesis
9. Generations
10.The Final Frontier

I am illogical.

And look at the sceensaver my Son JUST MADE FOR US!!!:

All by himself!!

The proud Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Nemesis, however, was so terribly written that I can't sit through it. It's almost Final Frontier-bad to me.

At least it featured Picard's clone & not his long lost son or brother, LOL!
Okay, it wasn't very good, but the music & FX were cool. I really bought it for the first ten minutes though. I'm sentimental is all.

The laughing Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:04 PM

Actually I would like to see something where they DON'T try to tie it in with every show and storyline in some bizarre tapeworm loop, which they did try a few times and utterly failed each and every one - DS9 was supposed to be more backwater, and what they did with the wonderful opportunity to show the breaking the Vulcan stranglehold and rise of the Federation in Enterprise was almost criminal... cause, they'd prettymuch wrecked it already by going for fanservice over story, and blowing some part of the continuity via the ship itself somehow becoming strangely powerful despite it's inferior technology cause god forbid our mighty little heros lose a round or two...
*eyeroll*

You know what I'd like to see ?
A decidedly non-Federation POV, either Klingons...
(which'd be tricky cause of the makeup/SFX expense, you'd have to set the hook quick to avoid being cancelled)

Or the Maquis, which imop would be an awesome story cause you can use the Federation as occasional bad guys, sometimes benefactors, and shade it with tons of moral ambiguity in a story that ALREADY has a known arc, but no development of the stories of the people and events during that period of time, which could be set to the background of the escalating events to which they were primarily annoyed bystanders.

You also needn't use the same cast, but set each story as a set piece, told from the POV of those involved, yet overlapping other events and with the main arc as base - cause there's LOTS of stories in that tiny little verse.

Call it "Star Trek: Tales of the Maqui" and run it on a string budget, other than the pilot ep (TM01/02 - a plague on both your houses), cause after that the Maqui didn't HAVE jack shit to need props for, really.

And you can use many bits of existing props and even perhaps recycled footage of events that DID happen during that time frame.

And leave time travel, retcons and overpowering the supposed good guys into freakin mary sues the hell out of it for once, people have flaws, you know ?

Let's see the dark side of the Federation for once, in the viewpoint of the folk they hung out to dry - now that'd actually be *interesting*, wouldn't it ?

-Frem

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Let's see the dark side of the Federation for once, in the viewpoint of the folk they hung out to dry -

Wasn't that "Insurrection"?

The laughing Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:27 PM

Insurrection coulda been, but they woulda needed a better editor... with a chainsaw.

There were a lot of scenes in that so obviously padded in to assauge actor egos that were so BAD they blew suspension of disbelief totally and threw you out of the story with this jarring feeling of "why am I watching this, again?"

Stuff that BELONGED on the cutting room floor.

-F

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
threw you out of the story with this jarring feeling

Didn't throw ME out of the story. And my Son says it was great & had a good story- SO THERE!!!

Hey look- slow day at the office:

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Let's see the dark side of the Federation for once, in the viewpoint of the folk they hung out to dry - now that'd actually be *interesting*, wouldn't it ?

-Frem

what about the section 31 eps of ds9 ?

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

ANTHONYT

Monday, April 20, 2009 4:54 AM

Hello,

I'd like to chime in on two topics.

1) The new ship - it suffers from what I call 'The Jetsons Effect.' It looks like someone trying to imagine what the future would look like, instead of someone trying to live in the future. Remember 60's era futuristic chic? It's a vision of the future that doesn't endure. The original series had ships that didn't really look like anyone thought ships should look... and that ended up enduring better than the Lost In Space flying saucer, even while incorporating a similar element. In the modern age, BSG succeeded in having that 'lived in future' look, as did our very own Firefly. It's a hard trick, creating a future that IS the future instead of a future lookalike. I'm not sure what makes a success, but I know it when I see it.

1B) As an aside, when I think of the future, it often looks like the 80's to me. I think this is because while I was born in the 70's, I grew up in the 80's. The 80's seemed like a time when we were hurtling headfirst into tomorrow in a tangible way. Personal Computers, Space Shuttles, Vulcan Cannons, Harrier Jumpjets, Satellite based laser weapons, Corporates in suits and shades, polymer firearms. It all felt like tomorrow, today.

2) The Trek episode that most connected with me as a 'realistic' episode. It was DS9. "In the Pale Moonlight." Desperate to force the Romulans into the Alliance, Sisko fabricated evidence of a Dominion plot. Then, when that didn't work, he allowed the Romulan Ambassador to be assassinated, and the Dominion implicated. He was emotionally troubled by this, but finally accepted it as a necessary evil. It is the only time I really remember a Federation Officer Hero character behaving in a Machiavellian fashion.

2B) The episode also gave us the most memorable three words ever uttered by a Romulan:

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, April 20, 2009 5:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I'd like to chime in on two topics.

1) The new ship - it suffers from what I call 'The Jetsons Effect.' It looks like someone trying to imagine what the future would look like, instead of someone trying to live in the future. Remember 60's era futuristic chic? It's a vision of the future that doesn't endure. The original series had ships that didn't really look like anyone thought ships should look... and that ended up enduring better than the Lost In Space flying saucer, even while incorporating a similar element. In the modern age, BSG succeeded in having that 'lived in future' look, as did our very own Firefly. It's a hard trick, creating a future that IS the future instead of a future lookalike. I'm not sure what makes a success, but I know it when I see it.

1B) As an aside, when I think of the future, it often looks like the 80's to me. I think this is because while I was born in the 70's, I grew up in the 80's. The 80's seemed like a time when we were hurtling headfirst into tomorrow in a tangible way. Personal Computers, Space Shuttles, Vulcan Cannons, Harrier Jumpjets, Satellite based laser weapons, Corporates in suits and shades, polymer firearms. It all felt like tomorrow, today.

2) The Trek episode that most connected with me as a 'realistic' episode. It was DS9. "In the Pale Moonlight." Desperate to force the Romulans into the Alliance, Sisko fabricated evidence of a Dominion plot. Then, when that didn't work, he allowed the Romulan Ambassador to be assassinated, and the Dominion implicated. He was emotionally troubled by this, but finally accepted it as a necessary evil. It is the only time I really remember a Federation Officer Hero character behaving in a Machiavellian fashion.

2B) The episode also gave us the most memorable three words ever uttered by a Romulan:

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

My personal favorite ep

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939