FIREFLY COMING BACK??

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JP826

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:46 AM

More Firefly Coming? Speaking of Whedon’s previous series with FOX, blogger Nick C claims to have some inside information that the network could consider bringing that franchise back. Supposedly the renewal of Dollhouse has jogged their memories of the show and how Firefly well did with its DVD release and he suggests that they could look at testing whether interest in the show, cancelled in 2002.

JOSSISAGOD

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:53 AM

I'll believe it when I see it in my TvWeek line-up.

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PIRATENEWS

Friday, June 5, 2009 3:53 AM

Back? It's been right here all the time.

More fanfic than anyone can keep up with.

JP826

Friday, June 5, 2009 3:57 AM

No back on TV like in new shows.

T3HMOTO

Friday, June 5, 2009 4:45 AM

Extremely skeptical that they'd do it.

OPPYH

Friday, June 5, 2009 7:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by jp826:
More Firefly Coming? Speaking of Whedon’s previous series with FOX, blogger Nick C claims to have some inside information that the network could consider bringing that franchise back. Supposedly the renewal of Dollhouse has jogged their memories of the show and how Firefly well did with its DVD release and he suggests that they could look at testing whether interest in the show, cancelled in 2002.

If it ever happened, I'd die of a heart attack, and not get to see it.

LURKER99

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:33 PM

Here is the link I posted a few days ago:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/29/firefly-would-fox-or-nbc-be-willi
ng-to-bring-it-back/19669#more-19669

Firefly Fan Forever

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:47 PM

And as I stated on Lurkers thread, it's not coming back. Or not in the manner in which we know it. Joss did a great job of hindering the story of Serenity's crew.

If it ever came back it surely would be about another ship in the 'verse.

BYTEMITE

Friday, June 5, 2009 3:03 PM

Well, I disagree there. Book's Secret could still be explored by it coming back to haunt them, and there's definitely an entire Inara storyline that's still in the works.

Miranda may have been revealed, but technically, River's troubles with Blue Sun are still far from resolved: in fact, Blue Sun hasn't even been introduced as the real villain yet.

Still plenty to go.

But without Wash, and without Book, I agree that it could have a different feel than the first season.

RIPWASH

Friday, June 5, 2009 3:18 PM

It would be creepy, but I think Wash and Book should still "linger" in the form of flashbacks or delusional halucinations. Heck, I'd even go for a character that is Wash's twin simply to have Alan Tudyk still around. But this guy would have been locked away in an assylum somewhere. Oh wait, that would make it a little too similar to River, I guess. But he could have been in flight school with Wash, but he cracked under the pressure of trying to compete with his brother or something like that.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

ZEEK

Friday, June 5, 2009 3:22 PM

I liked Angel more than Buffy and the cast on Angel changed pretty much every season. Buffy had a core group that never changed, but that doesn't mean Joss meant to keep the core group on Firefly together forever. I have tons of faith that Joss can keep the show going without Book or Wash. They seem critical cause they're all we know, but we'd meet new characters to fall in love with.

That being said I don't believe we'll ever get anymore live action Firefly/Serenity with our BDHs.

BROWNCOAT01

Friday, June 5, 2009 6:59 PM

I'd think it would be better to focus on a new ship and crew,instead of the same one all over again.

Still flyin

GODSMACKSERENITY

Friday, June 5, 2009 9:07 PM

you know, they dont have to follow the movie at all... they can do prequels or something like the comics they made.

SHINYVERA2517

Friday, June 5, 2009 9:54 PM

I'd love more Firefly, but I'd love it as we knew it - set either before or after the movie, even though I loved Wash and Book - but I don't know about another ship full of totally different people. And if it was set on Serenity, I'd hate to see it with different people playing our BDH ('cause think about it, Castle, and Chuck were both renewed, Morrena has V, Summer's gonna be on Dollhouse now, how would they get all of them back?). How 'bout another movie....or a mini- series or somthing with the original BDH (w/Wash and Book in flashbacks.....no twin brothers, that would be too soapopera).
...........then again, I DID like the world Joss had created (especially the way they spoke, that was cool).....so maybe following other people would be cool.....hmmm.
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BROWNCOAT01

Friday, June 5, 2009 10:20 PM

As long as Joss is behind it, it wouldn't bother me to see new BDHs.

Still flyin

DMAANLILEILTT

Friday, June 5, 2009 11:11 PM

i think that if firefly ever came back it would probably be like battlestar galactica and be on in twenty years or something

JP826

Saturday, June 6, 2009 2:56 AM

Firefly wouldn't be firefly without Summer Glau in it and i don't think dollhouse is going to last anyway.

BORIS

Saturday, June 6, 2009 3:49 AM

I'll only want to watch it if they bring back at least the livimg characters. don't know if that's likely as the key actors seem to be well employed elsewhere at the moment. Or they could do 2 hour TV specials filling in what happened between Firefly and the BDM.

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, June 6, 2009 3:57 AM

I think they should finish the story they started telling in '02 before moving on to a different crew. I know Serenity was like the summed up "this is what second season would have been," but i'd like to see that in episode format for a season, because there are details it would cover that couldn't be shown or only implied in the movie, and some stories need tellin. after that if he wants to move on to a new crew then fine, but the idea was kind of that nobody really saw Fireflies anymore, and the fact that Mal had one of whats probably very few made the title and plot mesh, its not like *every* BDH has a Firefly :P

BEATLESFAN

Monday, June 8, 2009 11:28 PM

You know, someone mentioned this to me the other day waiting outside a concert venue. Someone made a random Firefly reference, and the rest of us started geeking out. One guy said, "Oh, did you hear they're thinking of bringing back Firefly?" I laughed and said, "Yeah, have been for years." He was insistent. "No no no no, like for real. After Dollhouse getting picked up again."

SCHISM

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:44 PM

I was discussing this with my mum, who I converted into a FF-fan, and I asked her what she'd rather see in a theoretical new series;

A) Pick up after the movie

or

B) Ignore the movie

She voted B.
I vote A.

The deaths in the movie are the best AND worst things to happen to the franchise.

It made death real, much like life.
Nothing stays the same. The situation you are in today is not the situation you are in tomorrow.

YOu're friends in high school, your 'crew', will not be the same 'crew' you have in college. Some will be the same, but there will be new faces.

Life is transitional, and Joss seems to like to reflect that.

That's why I appreciate his writing so damn much.

**edit**

Incidentally, one or two made-for-tv movies has always been, in my opinion, the best strategy for testing the ratings waters.

WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
It would be creepy, but I think Wash and Book should still "linger" in the form of flashbacks or delusional halucinations. Heck, I'd even go for a character that is Wash's twin simply to have Alan Tudyk still around. But this guy would have been locked away in an assylum somewhere. Oh wait, that would make it a little too similar to River, I guess. But he could have been in flight school with Wash, but he cracked under the pressure of trying to compete with his brother or something like that.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

So, in part what you're saying is that Wash's hypothetical twin brother would be more high-strung than Wash? I can see it now: "Hi, I'm Hoban, and this is my twin brother, Mopar! (stage whisper) He's the nervous one!"

Oh, sh*t - remember how Wash had the mustache in OoG? And that's the only time (that I know of, anyway) that we see him like that? What if...the guy with the 'stache at the interview in OoG was Wash, but for reasons we don't know about yet, the guy that showed up for work on Day 1 was actually the twin (who I will refer to again as Mopar...or, if you prefer, Mop). IOW (and among other things), Wash isn't dead, as he wasn't sitting in the pilot's seat when the Reavers launched the big point-ed stick at him.

Now clearly there are problems with this, not the least of which being it would that we spent a season getting to know and love Mop instead of Wash. So really, as far as wanting our beloved BDH back, we'de still be back at square 1...OK, on reflection, all of the above reads like the director's notes for the Dream Season of Dallas...but, man - I was really goin' there for a minute...

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Still...what would Rorschach do?

IMNOTHERE

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Schism:

A) Pick up after the movie

That would be the best option if they want to pick up new viewers: otherwise the crucial first few episodes would have to be an info-dump re-establishing the story so far.

The BDM provides a clean break in the plot - they can still bring in the backstory as and when, but you don't need it all to get started.

The dead should stay dead - this is Firefly not Heroes! Bringing in new characters and having them find out stuff is also a good plot device for re-establishing the existing characters (Say, Captain Reynolds, why did that cute girl just kick the bad guy's kidneys out through his nose?)

Plus, Summer is a growin' up: if they have her playing a teenager again (especially after all the gratuitous underwear scenes in TSCC), some fans are going to that special hell!

GODSMACKSERENITY

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:39 PM

Just rerun the series on TV then pick up from there IMO.

GOODWOLF

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
It would be creepy, but I think Wash and Book should still "linger" in the form of flashbacks or delusional halucinations.

At Dragon Con, when asked about this, Tudyk said that Joss told him and Glass that on the odd chance of the series ever coming back, they would both have work. Most likely in the form of flashbacks and the like.

But it's also worth noting that as the movie changed a few things (getting rid of the HoB men, the whole dynamic between Mal and Simon,) Joss could just say the movie was a steaming pile of poo and do more of what he originally wanted to do.

SWORDNG1

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:37 PM

book can be brought back easly in flash back with
other charcter from his pass even a nother brother of the orber or student from is milatery pass

VERASAMUELS

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:42 PM

If [when?!!?] Joss ever has the chance of more 'Firefly', he'll give us great stories. I trust him :-)

Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox

M52NICKERSON

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:29 PM

I don't.

I'm a Firefly fan not a Joss Whedon fan. I think part of what made Firefly such a great show was the pressure and the demands of FOX. That pressure made him cut the fat and drop certain ideas. Inara's sex poison anyone?

Plus you have the fact that if the original crew comes back you would have to write in that passage of time. I think it is far to hard to believe that only a short time has passed when the actors have changed over the years.

I think Firefly and Serenity are near perfect little gems. I don't know if you can add to them with dulling their shine.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:09 PM

Epic 2 year thread bump.

TWO

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:19 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Plus you have the fact that if the original crew comes back you would have to write in that passage of time. I think it is far to hard to believe that only a short time has passed when the actors have changed over the years.

I think Firefly and Serenity are near perfect little gems. I don't know if you can add to them with dulling their shine.

Firefly could return. "Hawaii Five-O" ended in 1980 and restarted in 2010 without bothering to explain how Steve McGarrett and Danno can look so young after all those years. When Firefly returns in 2032, Jewel Staite will be only 50; she can still play Kaylee because she doesn't need to be a kid to be a mechanic. On the other hand, Jayne might need to dye his beard.

Kaylee at Fifty http://jimonouveau.deviantart.com/art/Kaylee-252803385

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:52 PM

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Inara's sex poison anyone?

Technically that was Tim Minear's idea, Joss never told him what the syringe was for. All we really know is that it's not actually a suicide kit.

Also, not really Fox meddling, but more canceled before that could be revealed.

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:51 AM

I'm siding with Nick on this one. I don't trust anyone to make cannon. Fanfic sure go ahead, I can read or ignore as I see fit. But if Joss makes more Firefly I would have to concede it as cannon, no matter how crummy it may be, what with the movie, the nearly 10 year hiatus and all.

I can't fully trust anyone in the world, much someone I've never actually met in regards to my very favorite show and a notable part of my life.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

M52NICKERSON

Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:00 PM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I'm siding with Nick on this one. I don't trust anyone to make cannon. Fanfic sure go ahead, I can read or ignore as I see fit. But if Joss makes more Firefly I would have to concede it as cannon, no matter how crummy it may be, what with the movie, the nearly 10 year hiatus and all.

I can't fully trust anyone in the world, much someone I've never actually met in regards to my very favorite show and a notable part of my life.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

I don't think you would have concede it as your personal cannon, I mean I ignore the Serenity Comics and the newest Star Trek Movie.

.....and some of Voyager....and the vast majority of Enterprise.

Your right, too much time has pasted. Firefly belongs now to the people that have kept it for that long, the Browncoats. Without anything official coming back out it allows us to make our own determinations of what happens.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, October 27, 2011 2:44 AM

You're rockin my world Nick!

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:17 PM

It all depends on the success of The Avengers film. If it kicks butt at the Box Office, Joss will be hot again and Fox may consider it. Of course, you may see some major tweeks to the overall demeanor of the show.

Here's hoping that The Avengers sets box office records.

SGG

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:50 PM

I've learned to allow for people ignoring canon, but I don't understand why people are so dismissive of the comic books, or even the movie.

Joss worked on them, or in the later comic books directed another Whedon in work on them, that's good enough for me to consider it official.

The only thing I'm remotely concerned about in regards to Joss is that in the past he's tried to write what are in my opinion exploitative relationships as positive, but I've also seen that those relationships don't last and the exploiter eventually dies. I hold out hopes that even if another such relationship occurs in Firefly, in the long term it would break up and any characters who have lost my good opinion will be killed off. But just the fact that it might happen is not a dealbreaker for me.

ZEEK

Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It all depends on the success of The Avengers film. If it kicks butt at the Box Office, Joss will be hot again and Fox may consider it. Of course, you may see some major tweeks to the overall demeanor of the show.

Here's hoping that The Avengers sets box office records.

SGG

I'm pessimistic about that even. I feel like if Avengers does that well then he'll be getting money thrown at him to get the sequel rolling as quickly as possible. He'll probably get big offers to do some other side projects as well.

Basically see Jon Favreau after Iron Man did so well. He was the man for a while. Then Iron Man 2 only did a little better than Iron Man. Heaven forbid!! Now he's lost the aura of perfection apparently.

I'm guessing Joss is going to follow the same path. Hopefully his "Cowboys and Aliens" will be worth it.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:40 PM

They can bring back Firefly, and they can bring back Wash easy... and while they're at it they should bring back his moustache.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:48 AM

I ignore the parts of the movie I don't like, namely Wash and Book dying, though I do read some post BDM fic where they are dead, its okay with me some of the time. I also ignore the incorrect and unrealistic impression that many people have about River after the movie, its silly and boring and too Mary Sue. The movie doesn't explicitly say that about her, but people misunderstand the events and I ignore their misunderstanding thereof. I ignore Mr. Universe because he's lame and never happened in the series and I didn't care at all when he died. I guess I don't really ignore the rest of the movie. I still don't prefer it though and avoid watching it. There are only a few scenes in it that I like or think are fun to watch.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

EBFIDDLER

Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:29 AM

Firefly coming back? Ah, a pleasant dream. But unlikely. Very. That's why I started writing fanfiction. As far as I’m concerned, the TV series is canon, the movie…mostly canon, except where it contradicts the TV series. Then (when writing fanfic in particular) I am sometimes hard pressed to reconcile the two, and when I can’t come up with a way to do that, I choose the TV series over the movie. The comic books: while certain elements of these are of interest, for the most part they are too…well, “comic bookish” for want of a better term. In part because of their heavily visual-oriented content, the depth that was conveyed in the TV series through its dialog just isn’t there. The form lends itself to sillier, over-the-top stories. Part of the ethos of the TV series was that it was about ordinary people who have to live tough lives and make tough decisions, and are day-to-day heroes because of how they confront their ordinary struggles—not superheroes battling supervillains, which is the domain of comic books. So in my fanfic I incorporate a few elements from the comic books, but I’m not ruled by them. Would a revival of the TV series satisfy me? Maybe. But it would be hard to re-construct that particular combination of actors, writers, and crew that produced the magic of Firefly. Meanwhile I enjoy reading the fanfiction, because the characters can live on vividly in so many different threads of adventure. If I become dissatisfied with any particular fanfic, there’s always another around somewhere that addresses the gaps. I think my ideal continuation of Firefly would be for Joss & co. to license the publication of all the better-written fanfics for the wider public to enjoy.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I've learned to allow for people ignoring canon, but I don't understand why people are so dismissive of the comic books, or even the movie.

Joss worked on them, or in the later comic books directed another Whedon in work on them, that's good enough for me to consider it official.

For me the comics just do not live up to the series nor the movie. Mainly because I think the story lines were weak. Shepard’s Tale made little sense when you look at the reaction of the Alliance soldiers in Safe, or all his knowledge of crime and how an Operative would work.

Better days, I find silly that the crew would gain all this wealth then have it conveniently stolen from them to make them poor again.

Those left behind again I find silly, Dobson...really...I mean really.

In the end just because the creator of the show worked on or even wrote stories does not mean much to me. For me it is all about content.

I think is also shows that some writers are much better when they have limits they have to work within. The comic stories did not have limits and ended up being worse stories. Just as Lucas had virtually no limits with the three newest Star Wars movies and they were no where near as good as the first three.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

ZEEK

Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
For me the comics just do not live up to the series nor the movie. Mainly because I think the story lines were weak. Shepard’s Tale made little sense when you look at the reaction of the Alliance soldiers in Safe, or all his knowledge of crime and how an Operative would work.

How so? It's implied that they let Book slither away and kept his role quiet in the disaster he organized. So, most likely he's somewhat of a legend in the alliance. Some great general who mysteriously retired.

He was also a member of a shady group of rebels. I'd imagine there's some crime knowledge from all of that.

He was also fairly high up in the alliance. So, why shouldn't he know about operatives? The doctor in Serenity seemed to know about them just fine.

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Better days, I find silly that the crew would gain all this wealth then have it conveniently stolen from them to make them poor again.

It's not convenient. Mal betrayed everyone to the thieves. Everyone's fantasy involved leaving the ship. Mal didn't want to lose his tight nit family. So, he got rid of the money.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:06 PM

EB: Well, I don't really mind people deciding they want to exclude some things. If some people want to say they'd prefer it if the movie didn't happen, and write stories in that version of the verse, that's their prerogative. I even read a number of those. Or if they want to believe some interpretation that I think is contradicted by the evidence, that's up to them too. If I didn't, I'd probably get into a lot more ship to ship combat than I do (or at least, I get into less than I USED to).

But I guess I still expect people to recognize that everyone has their own interpretation of things, and that ultimately interpretations are different from what is official. I like to see a little bit of respect, if grudging, for stuff that Joss and the Whedons and other show writers have worked on, even if fans then ignore all that in their own interpretation, because it's a lot of hard work that goes into this stuff.

I get that people will have their own reasons for not using or ignoring things. I imagine I do it myself, much as I try to give precedence to what seems to be inarguable canon, I find myself often surprised that it's not as inarguable as I thought. But for me, part of the fun of writing is taking everything I know, or think I know, even if it seems contradictory, and finding an explanation that reconciles it all.

I suppose I can see hints of the over-the-top-ness you mean in how the comic books are written and drawn. But on the other hand, the two ensemble cast comic books have the crew losing (Those Left Behind, they escape from the Hands of Blue but fail to collect on two jobs; Better Days, they lose their newly found fortune). So it's not like we've changed too much, and gone from scrambles for survival to complete super-heroic victory. Or that we've even changed venues away from ordinary struggles and hard lives and choices.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:20 PM

I was fine with Shepherd's Tale myself. I know people really wanted Book to be an Operative, in fact I was one of them and I've actually had to change course midstream in my writing to compensate for it. But part of the fun of having new stuff is being quick on your feet.

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It's not convenient. Mal betrayed everyone to the thieves. Everyone's fantasy involved leaving the ship. Mal didn't want to lose his tight nit family. So, he got rid of the money.

Inara really knows how to hit Mal in his guilt complex, doesn't she?

Although, if we're being fair, which neither Mal or Inara will ever be, Mal didn't actually have too much choice. He was being used as bait against his entire crew, who could all have ended up arrested, tried in a kangaroo court, convicted of guilt by association with Zoe, and stuck on some penitentiary moon. Show me Sanda wasn't corrupt, gave a care about innocent versus guilty, and wouldn't have gone to those lengths without buying some bygones, and then maybe we can talk about Mal nobly sacrificing himself to rot in a cell for twenty years.

But, that comic does have some fascinating insights into what Mal's fears are, which make a lot of sense considering the number of people he lost in the war. I guess losing people and being abandoned is his worst nightmare and it just doesn't get easier.

And it also has some obvious and unfortunate consequences, such as if they'd been able to keep the money and gone their separate ways, there's a good chance Wash and Book wouldn't be dead.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
How so? It's implied that they let Book slither away and kept his role quiet in the disaster he organized. So, most likely he's somewhat of a legend in the alliance. Some great general who mysteriously retired.

He was also a member of a shady group of rebels. I'd imagine there's some crime knowledge from all of that.

He was also fairly high up in the alliance. So, why shouldn't he know about operatives? The doctor in Serenity seemed to know about them just fine.

Book was also recognized in the comic as the person who was responsible for the Alliances losses. So I don't see his failure being that hush-hush.

The doctor only knew after he looked at the Operatives credentials, and was surprised that he did not have a rank or name. The Doctor also had no idea how an Operative worked or he would have tried to run right away.

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
It's not convenient. Mal betrayed everyone to the thieves. Everyone's fantasy involved leaving the ship. Mal didn't want to lose his tight nit family. So, he got rid of the money.

...and what does that make Mal then? I understand that Mal would not want to lose people, I agree with that. In him possibly undoing the crews chances to be happy, and in a way that prevents them from keeping at least some of the money, he also puts them right back in the dangers they faced before. Meaning Mal could lose them all the way the Shepard and Wash were lost.

In the end using Mal's fear of losing his family is just part of a way to take the money away and end the story with the crew in the same shape it started in.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:18 PM

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Book was also recognized in the comic as the person who was responsible for the Alliances losses. So I don't see his failure being that hush-hush.

Well, that was probably only because the man who attacked him had a brother on the I.A.V. Alexander. The Alliance probably fed him and his family a line, but either he managed to put two and two together anyway, or he blamed the commanding officer (Book) despite whatever tale of heroics was made up about the battle. People in grieving sometimes do that.

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In him possibly undoing the crews chances to be happy, and in a way that prevents them from keeping at least some of the money, he also puts them right back in the dangers they faced before. Meaning Mal could lose them all the way the Shepard and Wash were lost.

Exactly. It's excellent dramatic irony. And I also stand by my comment that Mal was really in a catch 22.

And besides, who's to say they wouldn't have all decided to have just blown the money and stay on Serenity anyway? We know of at least one other time the crew had a fortune from the novelization of the movie, and that's when they finally sold the Lassiter. They decided to buy an expensive hovermule, upgrade Serenity's engine and do some remodeling.

It's actually rather western. Very few people on the frontier ever made a lot of money, and those who did tended to waste it or lose it very quickly. Story-wise, that kind of thing makes for Of Mice And Men and other American classics.

ZEEK

Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
How so? It's implied that they let Book slither away and kept his role quiet in the disaster he organized. So, most likely he's somewhat of a legend in the alliance. Some great general who mysteriously retired.

He was also a member of a shady group of rebels. I'd imagine there's some crime knowledge from all of that.

He was also fairly high up in the alliance. So, why shouldn't he know about operatives? The doctor in Serenity seemed to know about them just fine.

Book was also recognized in the comic as the person who was responsible for the Alliances losses. So I don't see his failure being that hush-hush.

The doctor only knew after he looked at the Operatives credentials, and was surprised that he did not have a rank or name. The Doctor also had no idea how an Operative worked or he would have tried to run right away.

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
It's not convenient. Mal betrayed everyone to the thieves. Everyone's fantasy involved leaving the ship. Mal didn't want to lose his tight nit family. So, he got rid of the money.

...and what does that make Mal then? I understand that Mal would not want to lose people, I agree with that. In him possibly undoing the crews chances to be happy, and in a way that prevents them from keeping at least some of the money, he also puts them right back in the dangers they faced before. Meaning Mal could lose them all the way the Shepard and Wash were lost.

In the end using Mal's fear of losing his family is just part of a way to take the money away and end the story with the crew in the same shape it started in.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

The doctor sure seemed to know that "an operative of the parliament" deserved respect. I also don't think operatives are simply assassins. He could have been there for other reasons. So no need for the doctor to be worried until the operative started talking about death.

The man who recognized Book lost his brother on that mission. He could have easily heard that his brother was working for such a famous up and coming general before things went wrong.

Yeah Mal was being a selfish jerk IMO. I think we're supposed to be shocked by how despicable he acted. Mal is not an infallible hero.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:37 PM

Mal. Bad. In the Latin.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:55 PM

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Well, that was probably only because the man who attacked him had a brother on the I.A.V. Alexander. The Alliance probably fed him and his family a line, but either he managed to put two and two together anyway, or he blamed the commanding officer (Book) despite whatever tale of heroics was made up about the battle. People in grieving sometimes do that.

If Book was that famous we would expect the Captain and or Zoe to have at least heard about him. Even Simon and River might have heard about him in school studing the war. Yet in the comic he is referred to a Officer Book, and is clearly not that high up on the chain of command.

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Exactly. It's excellent dramatic irony. And I also stand by my comment that Mal was really in a catch 22.

And besides, who's to say they wouldn't have all decided to have just blown the money and stay on Serenity anyway? We know of at least one other time the crew had a fortune from the novelization of the movie, and that's when they finally sold the Lassiter. They decided to buy an expensive hovermule, upgrade Serenity's engine and do some remodeling.

It's actually rather western. Very few people on the frontier ever made a lot of money, and those who did tended to waste it or lose it very quickly. Story-wise, that kind of thing makes for Of Mice And Men and other American classics.

Perhaps that is also part of my problem with it. The crew has a big score on Arial. Then it was given up to Niska. Then they had a huge score with the Lassiter, yet could not fence it, and may very well have sold it for much less then it was worth. The comic just felt like Charle Brown trying to kick the football.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
The doctor sure seemed to know that "an operative of the parliament" deserved respect. I also don't think operatives are simply assassins. He could have been there for other reasons. So no need for the doctor to be worried until the operative started talking about death.

The man who recognized Book lost his brother on that mission. He could have easily heard that his brother was working for such a famous up and coming general before things went wrong.

Yeah Mal was being a selfish jerk IMO. I think we're supposed to be shocked by how despicable he acted. Mal is not an infallible hero.

I would think that anybody working for the Parliament would get respect. The Operative may not have just been an assassin, but Mal recognized that he in fact was one on some level or another.

Oh Mal is far from infallible. I don't see him being that selfish, at least not to the point of allowing all the money being taken and leaving his crew in a position of being adrift which would lead to the very thing he fears.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:41 PM

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Yet in the comic he is referred to a Officer Book, and is clearly not that high up on the chain of command.

He's at least an Admiral, judging from what we see of his duties. You don't exactly get to the point where you're managing multiple carriers (ships IN ships) in a task group and not have a high rank.

He was being chewed out by the Fleet Admiral. It's like a general being chewed out by the five-star general.

I mean, Patton was only a three star general when he slapped a guy and it almost ended his career. This isn't at all out of the range of possibility.

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The comic just felt like Charle Brown trying to kick the football.

Well, yeah. The series is about the struggles of people living hand-to-mouth and desperate. Not about a bunch of people who make it rich and move to Beverly Hills.

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Oh Mal is far from infallible. I don't see him being that selfish, at least not to the point of allowing all the money being taken and leaving his crew in a position of being adrift which would lead to the very thing he fears.

I know this was to Zeek, but I wanted to say again, I honestly don't think he could have made any other choice and gotten everyone out of that alive. It had unforeseen consequences down the line, yes, but I see Mal's guilt, and Inara calling him on it, as more a matter of Mal's own unrealistic expectations on himself.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:He's at least an Admiral. You don't exactly get to the point where you're managing multiple carriers (ships IN ships) in a task group and not have a high rank.

He was being chewed out by the Fleet Admiral. It's like a four star general being chewed out by a five-star general.

I mean, Patton was only a three star general when he slapped a guy and it almost ended his career. This isn't at all out of the range of possibility.

Your bringing up Patton, a man that we have all heard about. If Book was that high up, and known by that name, I find it hard to believe that one the secret of his failure could be kept, and two no one on Serenity would have heard of him.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:Well, yeah. The series is about the struggles of people living hand-to-mouth and desperate. Not about a bunch of people who make it rich and move to Beverly Hills.

So why write stories that gives the characters so much only to take it away over and over? It seemed that Joss was very much willing to let the crew "win" but then just take that away. When we see other time that crew does the job and earns just enough to continue getting by. We see that in both the series and the numerous fanfics.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I know this was to Zeek, but I wanted to say again, I honestly don't think he could have made any other choice and gotten everyone out of that alive. It had unforeseen consequences down the line, yes, but I see Mal's guilt, and Inara calling him on it, as more a matter of Mal's own unrealistic expectations on himself.

I never got that from the story, I may have to go back a read it again as see if can find that.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:43 PM

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Your bringing up Patton, a man that we have all heard about. If Book was that high up, and known by that name, I find it hard to believe that one the secret of his failure could be kept, and two no one on Serenity would have heard of him.

He was that high up because he wouldn't have been commanding multiple cruisers and carriers if he wasn't.

It looks to me like this all happened fairly near the beginning of the war, making him easily forgotten by everyone except those who were most impacted by him and historians. I also think just being a former admiral alone would be enough to get the reaction we saw in Safe, provided that information was readily available on his ident-card.

Perhaps something interesting about Book's story, he was discharged early enough in the war that the Alliance considered any lose of life to the Independent force rabble a huge embarrassment. And yet we know for a fact that later in the war both sides were probably racking up casualties in the millions in single battles, yet probably none of those Alliance officers were reprimanded. Look at the Battle of Sturges, MANY cruisers compared to Book losing just one.

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So why write stories that gives the characters so much only to take it away over and over? It seemed that Joss was very much willing to let the crew "win" but then just take that away.

It's kind of justified in series, though. Anyone carrying cargo or holding a lot of money just makes themselves a bigger target for other thieves and scavengers.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:51 PM

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I never got that from the story, I may have to go back a read it again as see if can find that.

You kinda have to read between the lines to see it. The accusation Inara makes is much more overt, and Mal reacts with guilt because he feels like he let his crew down. But then Mal often feels like he's letting his crew down, so that's not really anything new.

If you look close, you notice all kinds of things that suggest special ops or no, Sanda wasn't on the up and up and he's also kind of ruthless. He's willing to force confessions and turn anyone in, guilty or not, if he can get a good reward off it. And once you put that together, the danger to the crew and not just to Mal becomes a bit more serious.

It's actually a lucky thing Sanda did take the bribe and leave, because if you think about it, he could have very easily arrested everyone who showed up with Zoe for the exchange, especially if he thought they might be trying to trick him and after they tried to shoot him. I kind of think that might have been his plan all along, and he might have still been planning to do that even after Mal promised some bribe money. Reward money AND bribe money. But then they were interrupted and Sanda decided to let them go after they fought off the robots.

So that suggests that Mal's just being hard on himself at the end again. And it's not like Mal could possibly know that bribing Sanda would doom Wash and Book, all he knows is that he's got to do something to try to save Zoe and the rest of the crew before they try to go off to his rescue.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
He was that high up because he wouldn't have been commanding multiple cruisers and carriers if he wasn't.

It looks to me like this all happened fairly near the beginning of the war, making him easily forgotten by everyone except those who were most impacted by him and historians. I also think just being a former admiral alone would be enough to get the reaction we saw in Safe, provided that information was readily available on his ident-card.

Perhaps something interesting about Book's story, he was discharged early enough in the war that the Alliance considered any lose of life to the Independent force rabble a huge embarrassment. And yet we know for a fact that later in the war both sides were probably racking up casualties in the millions in single battles, yet probably none of those Alliance officers were reprimanded. Look at the Battle of Sturges, MANY cruisers compared to Book losing just one.

Even if later eclipsed in number, it still would have been remembered as the first real loss by the Alliance. That and it still does not make sense to cover it up just to give Book a good name, and then eject him from the military. The only reason to cover it up would be if they wanted to propagandize Book as a hero.

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It's kind of justified in series, though. Anyone carrying cargo or holding a lot of money just makes themselves a bigger target for other thieves and scavengers.

Yes, but why use that as a story element when it is not needed? You could have revealed Zoe's involvement in the Devils a number of other ways. The main plot was, make the crew rich, and then take it away. It seems that it is just this though that they had to make out big damn hero's into bigger damn hero's.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:You kinda have to read between the lines to see it. The accusation Inara makes is much more overt, and Mal reacts with guilt because he feels like he let his crew down. But then Mal often feels like he's letting his crew down, so that's not really anything new.

If you look close, you notice all kinds of things that suggest special ops or no, Sanda wasn't on the up and up and he's also kind of ruthless. He's willing to force confessions and turn anyone in, guilty or not, if he can get a good reward off it. And once you put that together, the danger to the crew and not just to Mal becomes a bit more serious.

Which then itself suggests that Mal's just being hard on himself at the end again. And it's not like Mal could possibly know that bribing Sanda would doom Wash and Book, all he knows is that not bribing Sanda will probably doom Zoe (who will go after Mal) and likely the rest of his crew as well.

That just seems to raise the question, why let Mal and the crew go? It would be better for Sanda if they where dead. He could claim they were killed as he tried to apprend them, and he and his crew would have the money without any witnesses.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:31 PM

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Even if later eclipsed in number, it still would have been remembered as the first real loss by the Alliance. That and it still does not make sense to cover it up just to give Book a good name, and then eject him from the military. The only reason to cover it up would be if they wanted to propagandize Book as a hero.

Not necessarily, remember, this is the proud and mighty Alliance. They don't want their population even thinking failure is a possibility. They want their population thinking that the rim and border worlds welcomed them with open arms after minimal fighting from local yahoos and corrupt magistrates. And then, of course, it doesn't turn out that way.

Eventually there's too much fighting and dying to cover up, and the Alliance has to try to make another spin on it to make the war publicly acceptable. But by then the covered up first loss of the Alliance would have been forgotten by everyone except those involved or affected by it. People would be far more aware of the bigger losses that the Alliance couldn't hide.

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The main plot was, make the crew rich, and then take it away.

The reason for the story was an excuse to get the crew talking about their wants and fears. It's a character insight piece with some action on the side.

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That just seems to raise the question, why let Mal and the crew go? It would be better for Sanda if they where dead. He could claim they were killed as he tried to apprend them, and he and his crew would have the money without any witnesses.

Yeah, I added a paragraph about that above. I think he doesn't want to kill them because he initially went after them for a reward, it would make sense of why the bribe works.

There's a LOT about that exchange scene that doesn't make sense unless you factor in that both sides were trying to play each other (and we know the crew of Serenity were trying because they had Jayne up on the hill about to shoot Sanda). What changes how it goes is the interruption and after that Sanda decides to just take the bribe. He doesn't want to put up with more robots and crazy revenge people after the crew while he escorts them off to trial.

As for why not kill them after he's decided not to bother with the reward, harder to say, maybe he decided he was outgunned when all the crew showed up, maybe he decided it wasn't worth it, maybe he's the only corrupt one and the other soldiers with him would question the killing, maybe he felt like he owed the crew for saving himself and his soldiers but wasn't above stealing their money (or stole it because Wash decided to punch him and call it even). Maybe he'd have to answer too many questions or do too much paperwork. There's lots of possibilities of why, all we know is what happened, and it appears to me that Mal's bribe is ultimately what mollified Sanda.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:Not necessarily, remember, this is the proud and mighty Alliance. They don't want their population even thinking failure is a possibility. They want their population thinking that the rim and border worlds welcomed them with open arms after minimal fighting from local yahoos and corrupt magistrates. And then, of course, it doesn't turn out that way.

Eventually there's too much fighting and dying to cover up, and the Alliance has to try to make another spin on it to make the war publicly acceptable. But by then the covered up first loss of the Alliance would have been forgotten by everyone except those involved or affected by it.

Then why leave Book alive at all? Just as easy to kill him, that way he can't resurface. Even later when the war loses can't be hide, he could be held up as a hero the died in the war.

The other problem is that fact that those who did know of the loss and Books part would be many.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:The reason for the story was an excuse to get the crew talking about their wants and fears. It's a character insight piece with some action on the side.

...and I think there are better way to get those insights. Hell even the possibility of a huge amount of money could do that.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:Yeah, I added a paragraph about that above. I think he doesn't want to kill them because he wants a reward, it would make sense of why the bribe works.

There's a LOT about that exchange scene that doesn't make sense unless you factor in that both sides were trying to play each other (and we know the crew of Serenity were trying because they had Jayne up on the hill about to shoot Sanda). What changes how it goes is the interruption and after that Sanda decides to just take the bribe. He doesn't want to put up with more robots and crazy revenge people after the crew while he escorts them off to trial.

Once he gets the money, the bribe, and realises the taking these people to trial would be dangerous, he still could kill them. In fact that makes more sense because now he does not have people who know he has the money and know that he is dirty. Knowledge is power.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

ZEEK

Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
So why write stories that gives the characters so much only to take it away over and over? It seemed that Joss was very much willing to let the crew "win" but then just take that away. When we see other time that crew does the job and earns just enough to continue getting by. We see that in both the series and the numerous fanfics

I think that's just the kind of stories Joss likes to write. Every time he gives his characters what they want, any time they experience happiness, then it's time to look out. Joss is going to bring the hammer down on them. It's just how he operates.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:13 PM

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Then why leave Book alive at all? Just as easy to kill him, that way he can't resurface. Even later when the war loses can't be hide, he could be held up as a hero the died in the war.

They tried to. Remember when they put him into an escape pod and jettisoned him into orbit? Book even points out to them that it's practically a death sentence and begs them to reconsider.

He happened to survive. He was lucky.

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The other problem is that fact that those who did know of the loss and Books part would be many.

Apparently not. Only one person ever actually recognizes him after that battle, and so apparently the only reaction people give when they see his ident-card is that they find out he was a former admiral. When they look up his accomplishments, they confirm he was an admiral, but find nothing else.

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...and I think there are better way to get those insights. Hell even the possibility of a huge amount of money could do that.

That's kind of what it was, only the POSSIBILITY of money. I mean, no one thought that the crew would actually get to KEEP the money except the crew, right? It would contradict the events of the movie that comes afterward in the timeline, in which they're all together and dirt poor.

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Once he gets the money, the bribe, and realises the taking these people to trial would be dangerous, he still could kill them. In fact that makes more sense because now he does not have people who know he has the money and know that he is dirty. Knowledge is power.

Made another edit, I'll quote it.

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As for why not kill them after he's decided not to bother with the reward, harder to say, maybe he decided he was outgunned when all the crew showed up, maybe he decided it wasn't worth it, maybe he's the only corrupt one and the other soldiers with him would question the killing, maybe he felt like he owed the crew for saving himself and his soldiers but wasn't above stealing their money (or stole it because Wash decided to punch him and call it even). Maybe he'd have to answer too many questions or do too much paperwork. There's lots of possibilities of why, all we know is what happened, and it appears to me that Mal's bribe is ultimately what mollified Sanda.

As for knowledge is power, Sanda probably figures the crew won't go to the authorities because the authorities would just try to arrest them as well. Plus, who are most officials going to believe, people with a criminal record or government special ops?

RIONAEIRE

Friday, November 18, 2011 1:10 AM

I kind of like how every time they start doing well financially things go south, that's what it makes it very Western as Byte says. Think of the miners, everytime they'd get enough to maybe do something with it something else would come up to bring them back down, a stagecoach robbery, cattle rustlers, or more likely the pretty ladies at Miss Kitty's saloon and the beverages they serve and the card games that happen there. I like how the crew only can count on each other in the long term in order to survive, its easy to relate to that way, that "we don't know how, but we're gonna keep flyin".

I don't enjoy comic books myself, but my friends have told me the content thereof and I'm okay with it, I don't mind it being cannon ... so far, but I will revoke my approval if need be.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

BYTEMITE

Friday, November 18, 2011 3:12 AM

Exactly what I was thinking of. You and me have been to Alaska. :)

M52NICKERSON

Friday, November 18, 2011 7:36 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I think that's just the kind of stories Joss likes to write. Every time he gives his characters what they want, any time they experience happiness, then it's time to look out. Joss is going to bring the hammer down on them. It's just how he operates.

That is perhaps why I'm not a huge fan of his other works.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

M52NICKERSON

Friday, November 18, 2011 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:They tried to. Remember when they put him into an escape pod and jettisoned him into orbit? Book even points out to them that it's practically a death sentence and begs them to reconsider.
He happened to survive. He was lucky.

...and that makes them all manner of stupid.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:Apparently not. Only one person ever actually recognizes him after that battle, and so apparently the only reaction people give when they see his ident-card is that they find out he was a former admiral. When they look up his accomplishments, they confirm he was an admiral, but find nothing else.

Hence one of my problems with the story.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:That's kind of what it was, only the POSSIBILITY of money. I mean, no one thought that the crew would actually get to KEEP the money except the crew, right? It would contradict the events of the movie that comes afterward in the timeline, in which they're all together and dirt poor.

I meant the crew thinking they had the possibilty to get a huge amount of money.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:As for why not kill them after he's decided not to bother with the reward, harder to say, maybe he decided he was outgunned when all the crew showed up, maybe he decided it wasn't worth it, maybe he's the only corrupt one and the other soldiers with him would question the killing, maybe he felt like he owed the crew for saving himself and his soldiers but wasn't above stealing their money (or stole it because Wash decided to punch him and call it even). Maybe he'd have to answer too many questions or do too much paperwork. There's lots of possibilities of why, all we know is what happened, and it appears to me that Mal's bribe is ultimately what mollified Sanda.

As for knowledge is power, Sanda probably figures the crew won't go to the authorities because the authorities would just try to arrest them as well. Plus, who are most officials going to believe, people with a criminal record or government special ops?

That is a lot of maybes. True he may not have worried about the crew going to the attorities, but they could have come back after the money. Or got others with them to go after it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:27 AM

Honestly I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore.

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:53 PM

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Honestly I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore.

About the reasons the comics are not my cup of tea. Perhaps we should just leave it at that.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Saturday, November 19, 2011 6:59 PM

That sounds all right.

I'm not sure what happened, I like talking about fan theories and making conflicting information make sense. But then I got confused. I'm not sure why, it was almost some kind of weird disconnect, something stopped working.

Good talking to you anyway.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:29 AM

Yay fanfic, it can be whatever people want/need it to be. You can read what you like and ignore the rest. One story written doesn't change anything, you can enjoy it and start reading the next one and everything is rewound back to the end of the show or movie again. Just my speed. Unfortunately due to a precious lack of time on Wed. which is my fanfic reading day, I've had to reduce the number of fanfics I have time to read and review, which means I'm letting the world down. :(

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:06 AM

The people you do review really appreciate it though.

SYNERGYSTAR

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by browncoat01:
I'd think it would be better to focus on a new ship and crew,instead of the same one all over again.

Still flyin

See don't think i would watch it if it was a wgole new class and ship. this cast has such a chemistry that, to me, wouldn't work with a new class.
I don't want to see Nate leave Castle because I am beyond obsessed with that show but I would love to see then all together again. My only concern is a decade later and they are all older looking and have moved on. They wouldn't be able to pick up where either the show or the Serenity left off.
But I don't think a new cast or ship would last any longer than the original show did because it wouldn't be the same. I loved each character individually (Nate the most but who is counting) and I don't think, again to me, it would have the same flare. Just like if it would leave off after the movie that it would be the same without Wash and Book. And it would just look awkward of the picked up where the show left off with all of them being 10 yrs older.
So as much as i would love to see it happen I don't think it would. And Joss said at comic con this year that it probably won't. Him bringing back Buffy no problem since it was a cast change from the movie to the show anyway so it can be done again and will work but for firefly i doubt.

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how i soar~~~ Wash!

FINE, you wanna fly, f'n fly!!! I'll be in my bunk! ~~~Wash

Can't stop the signal Mal, Everything so somewhere, I go everywhere.~~~Mr Universe

SYNERGYSTAR

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:24 PM

SYNERGYSTAR

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:33 PM

http://www.daveandthomas.net/2011/04/01/shiny-firefly-flies-again-with
-new-episodes/

just found this

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how i soar~~~ Wash!

FINE, you wanna fly, f'n fly!!! I'll be in my bunk! ~~~Wash

Can't stop the signal Mal, Everything so somewhere, I go everywhere.~~~Mr Universe

TWO

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by synergystar:
http://www.daveandthomas.net/2011/04/01/shiny-firefly-flies-again-with
-new-episodes/

just found this

It's an April Fool's joke.
Also joking, www.etakooramnahsmech.com asks if Firefly's actors are too rich, too busy, too old to return.

JewelStaite: RT @Sean_M_Maher: God is a Browncoat- who knew??? “@Magietagie: @Sean_M_Maher Seen this? RT: Funny! We knew he was a Browncoat at heart!
http://twitter.com/JewelStaite/statuses/246428502046416896

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two