Top Ten Reasons John Ensign Should Resign

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, June 13, 2009 3:00 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why should Letterman be held to a different standard than McCain?

I guess you haven't heard, never answer a question with a question. It makes you look like you don't have an answer.

But in keeping with your line of reasoning, why should Imus be held to a different standard than Letterman?

KWICKO

Saturday, June 13, 2009 3:03 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why should Letterman be held to a different standard than McCain?

I guess you haven't heard, never answer a question with a question. It makes you look like you don't have an answer.

But in keeping with your line of reasoning, why should Imus be held to a different standard than Letterman?

Ummm... Because YOU don't have an answer?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, June 13, 2009 3:42 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... Because YOU don't have an answer?

No... YOU! Nah nah nah nah nah.

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, June 13, 2009 5:10 AM

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

KWICKO

Saturday, June 13, 2009 5:22 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ummm... Because YOU don't have an answer?

No... YOU! Nah nah nah nah nah.

Hell, I was just playing by the rules YOU laid out. Guess your short-term memory isn't so good, eh? YOU said answering a question with a question is a sign of not having an answer... then proceeded to answer my question with a question. By your own words, that means that you don't have an answer.

Nah nah nah your own self.

OPPYH

Saturday, June 13, 2009 3:02 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Oh, horrors! She's ghastly.

Mike

LOL!! Ghastly?

Come on, she's not as bad as all that.

Next your going to tell me Shelly Duvall, and Tori Spelling are unattractive.

Apparently you don't get sarcasm.

Mike

Oh, so you agree with me? That's a first.

She isn't bad is she?

KWICKO

Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:03 PM

Nope, not bad at all.

She's no Inara, Zoe, Kaylee, or River, but I'd hardly call her ugly.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:35 PM

For those who want Letterman's head, there is the FCC. Protest, put in a complaint, write your Congressman.

But don't you think that if anyone can get the FCC to slap a fine, or worse, on the late night host it would be Palin. You know, she nearly got to run this country from her porch in Alaska.
Oh yeah, wait a minute, she's not a Washington insider. So she wouldn't be able to get anything done in Washington.

Still though, with her connections (she was able to get a new wardrobe for her campaign, oh wait, that was McCain's campaign) she could get some republicans on her side. I mean after all she nearly got to run this country. BTW the republicans who championed her back when are awfully silent. Where are they? Where's the indignation? Did Rush make a comment? How about McCain? Anyone? Anyone?

I would think that a gun-toting, moose-hunting, bikini-wearing, tough-talking, backwoods-hunting momma beloved by millions could get her supporters to march on CBS and demand Letterman's head. Where's the love?

America for Americans!
Paid for by the Committee to Oust Letterman for being Naughty.

SGG :)

Tawabawho?

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Where's the love?

I want Letterman TORTURED FOR THIS OUTRAGE!!!

Well, maybe not tortured...
waterboarding would do.
*But ya got to ask him for information at the same time*

The laughing Chrisisall

HERO

Monday, June 15, 2009 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Hero:
The Felony Murder statute applies. Killing someone, even accidently, while committing or attempting to commit another felony is still Agg Murder in Ohio.

Oh, how nice for you that bulls**t flies in your state; remind me never to jaywalk while resisting a mugging there, I wouldn't want serve time for securing my wallet & punching a perp in the throat in the crosswalk.

You should not jaywalk under any circumstances. Crossing at the corner is safer.

Your silly example aside, the rule is for unintentional deaths resulting from intentional felonies. Rob a bank and the teller dies of a heart attack...murder. Shoot at a cop but hit the mother of three you didn't know was in the line of fire...murder. Rob a bank and the guard shoots your partner...murder (an ironic murder, but still murder).

Jaywalk while resting a mugging...not murder (but still jaywalking).

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 15, 2009 8:38 PM

You have no case.

The laughing Chrisisall

CREVANREAVER

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:45 AM

Wow. The dirty old man has actually given an apology:

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“All right, here – I’ve been thinking about this situation with Governor Palin and her family now for about a week – it was a week ago tonight, and maybe you know about it, maybe you don’t know about it. But there was a joke that I told, and I thought I was telling it about the older daughter being at Yankee Stadium. And it was kind of a coarse joke. There’s no getting around it, but I never thought it was anybody other than the older daughter, and before the show, I checked to make sure in fact that she is of legal age, 18. Yeah. But the joke really, in and of itself, can’t be defended. The next day, people are outraged. They’re angry at me because they said, ‘How could you make a lousy joke like that about the 14-year-old girl who was at the ball game?’ And I had, honestly, no idea that the 14-year-old girl, I had no idea that anybody was at the ball game except the governor and I was told at the time she was there with Rudy Giuliani … and I really should have made the joke about Rudy …” (audience applauds) “But I didn’t, and now people are getting angry and they’re saying, ‘Well, how can you say something like that about a 14-year-old girl, and does that make you feel good to make those horrible jokes about a kid who’s completely innocent, minding her own business,’ and, turns out, she was at the ball game. I had no idea she was there. So she’s now at the ball game, and people think that I made the joke about her. And, but still, I’m wondering, ‘Well, what can I do to help people understand that I would never make a joke like this?’ I’ve never made jokes like this as long as we’ve been on the air, 30 long years, and you can’t really be doing jokes like that. And I understand, of course, why people are upset. I would be upset myself.

“And then I was watching the Jim Lehrer ‘Newshour’ – this commentator, the columnist Mark Shields, was talking about how I had made this indefensible joke about the 14-year-old girl, and I thought, ‘Oh, boy, now I’m beginning to understand what the problem is here. It’s the perception rather than the intent.’ It doesn’t make any difference what my intent was, it’s the perception. And, as they say about jokes, if you have to explain the joke, it’s not a very good joke. And I’m certainly – ” (audience applause) “– thank you. Well, my responsibility – I take full blame for that. I told a bad joke. I told a joke that was beyond flawed, and my intent is completely meaningless compared to the perception. And since it was a joke I told, I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke. It’s not your fault that it was misunderstood, it’s my fault. That it was misunderstood.” (audience applauds) “Thank you. So I would like to apologize, especially to the two daughters involved, Bristol and Willow, and also to the governor and her family and everybody else who was outraged by the joke. I’m sorry about it and I’ll try to do better in the future. Thank you very much.”

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/06/letterman-readdresses-palin.html

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:48 AM

By the way, his ratings are up since "the incident".

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:41 AM

Yeah, he pretty much took Conan's ratings away. Not that I pay any attention to that... *innocent*

That's something else I don't understand. Democrat or Republican, if you say you love your country, and by extension your flag as a SYMBOL of your country...

Why then would you wrap yourself up in it, cut it up into clothing, or otherwise wear it?

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:15 AM

Where's Todd Palin been? They're HIS daughters, aren't they? What kind of man would stay silent in this situation? I know that he's been "domesticated"....doing the cooking, cleaning and raising the kids as mom seeks her glory in the sun, but gorram it man, for ONCE come out from behind your apron and defend your children and wife. Instead he smiles like a witless buffoon. Personal attacks on your family Todd ya big dope? You should have added your voice to the millions, well thousands, well a few winos in Nome that stick up for your wife.

HERO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Where's Todd Palin been? They're HIS daughters, aren't they? What kind of man would stay silent in this situation?

He didn't he was and has been right out there making statements about this issue. His wife is the national figure, her statements get the bulk of the press coverage.

I suspect he considered going down to Dave's studio and "talking" to Letterman. Personally I think a fist to the nose could have handled this much quicker.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

HERO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You have no case.

That's for a jury to decide.

I Judge my cases by their ability to withstand a Rule 29 Motion. After that I'll leave it to the Jury. Once I put it safely in their hands, I win...because that's how its all supposed to work, I win, regardless of outcome (although from a practicle aspect, I win too...because I win 97% of my cases). I've never lost a Rule 29.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Where's Todd Palin been? They're HIS daughters, aren't they? What kind of man would stay silent in this situation?

He didn't he was and has been right out there making statements about this issue. His wife is the national figure, her statements get the bulk of the press coverage.

I suspect he considered going down to Dave's studio and "talking" to Letterman. Personally I think a fist to the nose could have handled this much quicker.

H

I must have missed that. Anyway, the issue is now over, as Letterman apologized and Palin accepted......

"It was "a coarse joke," "a bad joke," Letterman told viewers. "But I never thought it was (about) anybody other than the older daughter, and before the show, I checked to make sure, in fact, that she is of legal age, 18."

"The joke, really, in and of itself, can't be defended," he declared.

If there's a misconception that he was making the joke about a 14-year-old, Letterman said he understands why people are upset. "I would be upset myself," he said.

"I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke," he said. "It's not your fault that it was misunderstood, it's my fault that it was misunderstood."

Letterman made several references to the issue during his monologue, introducing himself as "Dave Letterman, good will ambassador." He said he got a call from his mother earlier in the day telling him she was siding with Palin.

When he began a joke about Bernard Madoff, whom he called "the most hated man in America," he then amended that to a list of two.

"Me, Bernie Madoff," he said. "He was waaay out in front until a couple of days ago."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Since Letterman says the joke was aimed at Bristol, we kind of have to take him at his word as far as his INTENT goes. There's some supporting evidence for this: Bristol DOES have a history of being "knocked up". So Letterman is joking about an EIGHTEEN-YEAR-OLD getting knocked up, not a fourteen-year-old as the right keeps claiming.

How is Bristol going to get knocked up by A-Rod when she wasn't even at the game? Letterman made the joke about the Palin's attending the game. Not sure why you are so determined to throw up a smoke screen. You must be a real big Letterman fan.

It’s pretty astounding to me that the excuse for the joke is that he meant it about an 18 year old, as if that somehow makes the joke okay, but even an idiot can see that the joke was about the 14 year old, whether it was intended to be or not, it was.

I think I’m reminded of a statement made by Kwicko:

"Or is it the person who says whatever the political ideologues within his own party TELL him to say? Can they stray from the talking points? Can they EVER say 'Good point' or 'Good job' when the "other side" does something they might actually agree with? Is it the person who simply MUST take the opposing viewpoint, regardless the issue, only because they have a personal dislike of the person arguing the viewpoint?" --Kwicko
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=38474

So maybe it’s time that kwicko set aside his political talking points and admit the facts:

1. the joke was about the daughter at the game
2. the daughter at the game was the 14 year old.
3. the joke is not made "better" because it is about an 18 year teenager

So Kwicko there are a lot of people in this thread who deserve a "good job" from YOU, if we are to believe anything you have to say.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:58 PM

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I suspect he considered going down to Dave's studio and "talking" to Letterman. Personally I think a fist to the nose could have handled this much quicker.

But then you'd be upset about Letterman beating up someone younger than him. And her husband, who was hiding behind her skirts as usual.

More likely scenario is that "tough guy" Palin thought really hard about suing Letterman for hurting his wittle feewings. He and his whole white-trash trailer-park cadre can now go back to being the Chuck & Di of the Klondike.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chuck & Di of the Klondike.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:05 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah, he pretty much took Conan's ratings away. Not that I pay any attention to that... *innocent*

That's something else I don't understand. Democrat or Republican, if you say you love your country, and by extension your flag as a SYMBOL of your country...

Why then would you wrap yourself up in it, cut it up into clothing, or otherwise wear it?

Flag? Flag? I musta missed something, ByteMite - was Letterman wrapped in Old Glory as he issued his mea culpa?

Hmph - for Letterman, that's practically down on one knee with head bowed. I'm...pleased, I guess, that he did it. I'm a Letterman fan with no particular love (a little lust maybe, but no real love) for Palin, but it was a poor, tasteless joke, and if I were Letterman I'd be kicking myself for letting it air, if for no other reason than the lack of professionalism and foresight..which, as we all know, are generally the very watchwords of a typical Letterman monologue.

If the Palin clan is good for anything (and I'm sure they are), it will hopefully be in supplying to their children the moral support it takes to weather the fallout from tasteless late-night comedian jokes.

Thanks, CR.

donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

1. the joke was about the daughter at the game
2. the daughter at the game was the 14 year old.

Undeniably correct.
Hence his being an idiot.

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3. the joke is not made "better" because it is about an 18 year [old] teenager.

In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.

The laughing Chrisisall

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:31 PM

I asked that because Ginobiffaroni posted a picture where someone had photoshopped Sarah Palin's head onto a some woman toting a gun and wearing a stars and stripes bikini.

But even though that wasn't really Sarah Palin, why would the woman be wearing a bikini like that? I've always thought that sort of thing was kind of disrespectful to the flag. I'm fine with people making a message with a country's flag, and I even think people have the right to burn a flag in protest. But symbolic protest is not the purpose of a stars and stripes bikini, I think, even though I consider it a desecration of a flag in the same manner as burning a flag. I suppose it just confuses me more than it really bothers me.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I've always thought that sort of thing was kind of disrespectful to the flag.

You can make stuff with stars & stripes on them, but you can't take a flag & chop it up to make stuff out of it.
At least that's what I heard...

The laughing Chrisisall

WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I asked that because Ginobiffaroni posted a picture where someone had photoshopped Sarah Palin's head onto a some woman toting a gun and wearing a stars and stripes bikini.

But even though that wasn't really Sarah Palin, why would the woman be wearing a bikini like that? I've always thought that sort of thing was kind of disrespectful to the flag. I'm fine with people making a message with a country's flag, and I even think people have the right to burn a flag in protest. But symbolic protest is not the purpose of a stars and stripes bikini, I think, even though I consider it a desecration of a flag in the same manner as burning a flag. I suppose it just confuses me more than it really bothers me.

Oh, that flag...sorry, I guess my attention was more focused on her fire power ('cause that's what we're calling it down here these days

) ...

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But symbolic protest is not the purpose of a stars and stripes bikini, I think...

She's protesting the high price of ammo!

But seriously - my honest, not-overly-examined feeling is that an individual's relationship to their flag should be treated about the same as their relationship to their god or higher power (if they have one): Nobody else's damn business.

Thanks, ByteMite!

donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:05 PM

My wife made an interesting point,

Palin and those like her stand up all the time critical how people run there family's and their own moral outlook:

with that being the case maybe it is fair that their family's get some of the treatment they do ( Lettermans joke not withstanding )

I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:11 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?

Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.

The laughing Chrisisall

WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:22 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?

Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.

Actually I've heard it's a toss-up between "You betcha!" and "Keep Alaska Maverick-y!"

donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

Still...what would Rorschach do?

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:24 PM

WASHnWear: Okay, that seems fair. And it's a good point about that printed fabric was cut, not an actual flag.

Ginobiffaroni: Unfortunately, Letterman's joke never made it to that higher message, focusing on Bristol's mistake and not the social ailments, mindsets, and policies that set her up to make that mistake.

Letterman taking the low road? Noooo, really?

But I agree that Sarah Palin's stance on abstinence only education has likely played some role in Bristol's pregnancy, and that is the discussion that REALLY needs to be had.

Granted, it's not likely that Bristol and her boyfriend had never heard about condoms or birth control outside of sex ed (but then again, who knows?). But probably at least as big a problem in teen pregnancy is the belief that using birthcontrol makes the act less satisfying, and romantic notions that a couple "connects" better on a physical and emotional level without it. That's more in line with the reasons I heard from my friends in highschool. None of them got pregnant thankfully, but I can see how those perceptions could lead to a lot of teen pregnancy.

RIPWASH

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:34 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?

Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.

The laughing Chrisisall

Funny thing is, I don't recall her telling anyone how to live. It's just the assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left that any one with a conservative or religious background will automatically force their value system on everyone else. It just ain't so.

But let's face it. We all screw up from time to time. To err is human, right? I can say all sorts of things about what my beliefs are and try to instill those beliefs into my kids. But in the end it's going to be the kids that make their own decisions. I'm not saying Bristol was evil for what she did. She made a decision to go against what she was probably taught. I know I did. My parents tried to tell me to wait until I was married, but I was a horny teenager with absolutely no self-control. When the opportunity presented itself . . .

So let's not jump all over Palin and call her a hypocrite and that she deserves the scorn of the left because she's not and she really doesn't deserve it. And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:26 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.

There are two things wrong with this.

First of all, why is it okay if it is the 18 year old? The law says its okay for her to have consensual sex and you decide that means its okay to objectify her and disrespect her? I might be required to obey the law, but I don’t allow it to decide my morals or what I think is right or wrong. I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old. So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?

Second, what does hypocrisy have to do about your decision to find anything humorous about this?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:47 PM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:

Funny thing is, I don't recall her telling anyone how to live. It's just the assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left that any one with a conservative or religious background will automatically force their value system on everyone else. It just ain't so.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_t
o_help.html

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"The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote

Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

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And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.

I said Letterman was an idiot, didn't I?

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51 PM

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So Kwicko there are a lot of people in this thread who deserve a "good job" from YOU, if we are to believe anything you have to say.

Well, obviously ChrisIsAll, SignyM (aka JKiddo), Rue, Gino, Citizen, and a host of others, and of course David Letterman himself deserve a "Good Job" from me. Did you have someone else in mind?

Should I say "Good Job!" to Sarah & Todd Palin for putting their 14-year-old daughter front & center so she could take the brunt of a tasteless joke aimed at someone else? Should I say "Good Job!" to them for saying they want to keep their kids off-limits, all while putting them out there at every opportunity - and then getting upset when anyone notices?

Should I say "Good Job!" to John McCain for making extremely tasteless jokes about Chelsea Clinton, or for telling ACTUAL rape jokes at Republican fundraisers? Should I say "Good Job!" to Sarah Palin for not bothering to bring it up when she chose to be his running mate? Should I say "Good Job!" to both of them for not having anything to say about their supporters calling Hillary a "bitch" (isn't that objectifying a woman, Finn? Or is it different when the woman's a Democrat?) or Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "Kill him!" at their little happy Nazi rallies?

How is it different, in your eyes, to objectify someone like Hillary or Obama, rather than doing it to an 18-year-old girl? And if McCain's rape joke wasn't bad enough for ya, would it have been worse if he'd have made it about a 12-year-old girl instead of a woman? If so, WHY? Why do you seem to think it's okay to joke about raping women, but not girls? You DO think it's okay, right? I mean, you supported ol' John, didn't you?

How are we ever to believe anything you say if you support rape jokes by Republicans, but are immensely offended by "rape jokes" told by - or in this case, NOT told by - comedians? Bit of a double standard there, isn't it?

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:56 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old.

Old enough to vote, old enough to be trashed.

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So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?

Kids, like child-peeps, sometimes make bad decisions due to immaturity, peeps who have the right drive two-ton vehicles (for example) should be ready to take criticism for their bad decisions, IMO.

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Second, what does hypocrisy have to do about your decision to find anything humorous about this?

Don't have sex! + pregnant unwed daughter = humour fodder.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
or Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "Kill him!" at their little happy Nazi rallies?

To be fair, Palin did not smile or otherwise applaud those shouts.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:17 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
or Obama a "terrorist" and shouting "Kill him!" at their little happy Nazi rallies?

To be fair, Palin did not smile or otherwise applaud those shouts.

The laughing Chrisisall

Nor did she denounce those shouting such things. Nor did she ever apologize for the actions of her thuggish supporters, or try to distance herself from them and their radical rightist viewpoints.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

RIPWASH

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:23 PM

If I remember right, the Secret Service found no evidence that this incident (the name calling at a McCain/Palin rally that got all the attention) even occured. So your point is moot.

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:15 PM

Careful there. That sounds like "the Secret Service found no evidence, so it didn't happen."

I myself am kind of torn in regards to whether government intelligence can't find their hands in front of their noses, and that's why they require all the bullshit privacy invading, or if they're just PRETENDING they can't for some agenda or another.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
If I remember right, the Secret Service found no evidence that this incident (the name calling at a McCain/Palin rally that got all the attention) even occured. So your point is moot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_1
32366.html

I can clearly hear "Terrorist!" in this video where Palin attempts to paint Obama as a troop-hater.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.
There are two things wrong with this.

First of all, why is it okay if it is the 18 year old? The law says its okay for her to have consensual sex and you decide that means its okay to objectify her and disrespect her? I might be required to obey the law, but I don’t allow it to decide my morals or what I think is right or wrong. I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old. So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?

Hey, Finn, I'm sure you'll join every right-winger here in condemning Jongstraw for saying things like

Quote:

...does your 14-year old daughter want to be knocked-up by ARod, or even me per chance? What good sport!

After all, he's advocating rape of young girls, and in your mind, even if he were talking about 18-year-olds, it would be just as disgusting, right?

And clearly he's saying he likes fucking underage girls, so I'll be waiting for you and all your right-wing buddies to vilify him. Heck, you should probably call for him to be fired. WhoZit, I'm sure, will want Jongsy killed, just like he wanted Letterman dead.

Surely you'll want to put politics aside and tell me "good job!" for pointing out this kind of disgusting "humor" to you so you can denounce it, yes?

I'll wait. I won't hold my breath though.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Nor did she ever apologize for the actions of her thuggish supporters

They weren't "thuggish", just...
enthusiastic...

& white...

living in trailers & mansions...

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I won't hold my breath though.

Good. I enjoy your posts here.

The laughing Chrisisall

RIPWASH

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27 PM

The Palin video has someone shout "treason". Not "terrorist". How about this report where McCain DEFENDS Obama?

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2194

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
The Palin video has someone shout "treason". Not "terrorist".

Oh, you're right (mybad), but, er, isn't treason just about as strong a word?

Quote:
How about this report where McCain DEFENDS Obama?

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2194

Bully for him. I kinda liked him before he chose Palin anyway.

The laughing Chrisisall

RIPWASH

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:35 PM

It was perhaps a bit of a strong word to use.

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HERO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Careful there. That sounds like "the Secret Service found no evidence, so it didn't happen."

I prefer that to "...found no evidence, so it must of happened."

Remember Bush's 1980 trip to Iran in back of an SR-71 to broker the deal to keep the hostages until after the election? Democrats cited the complete lack of evidence as reason to investigate.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

GINOBIFFARONI

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

I mean they try to come into our homes to tell us how to live, is it not fair to examine and even be critical of the decisions and choices that person made ?

Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Palin motto.
Or would be, if she started havin' a motto.

The laughing Chrisisall

Funny thing is, I don't recall her telling anyone how to live. It's just the assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left that any one with a conservative or religious background will automatically force their value system on everyone else. It just ain't so.

But let's face it. We all screw up from time to time. To err is human, right? I can say all sorts of things about what my beliefs are and try to instill those beliefs into my kids. But in the end it's going to be the kids that make their own decisions. I'm not saying Bristol was evil for what she did. She made a decision to go against what she was probably taught. I know I did. My parents tried to tell me to wait until I was married, but I was a horny teenager with absolutely no self-control. When the opportunity presented itself . . .

So let's not jump all over Palin and call her a hypocrite and that she deserves the scorn of the left because she's not and she really doesn't deserve it. And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.

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It was a big part of her campaign, for better or worse

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24573135-5000117,00.htm
l

and I'm not saying she is a hypocrite, just questioning the choices she made, the choices she'd have all of us make, and the consequences in either case.

I think that is perfectly fair, even if her family gets drawn into it, Lettermans joke was over the line and not even connected to this point, but I think a public figures past does have relevance particularly when that past goes to shaping public policys.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

RIPWASH

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:49 PM

This one's for Chris and Kwick . . .

Did Obama denounce THIS?

http://snarkfood.com/mccain-calls-obama-a-decent-man-obama-supporters-
call-palin-a-cunt/

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
This one's for Chris and Kwick . . .

Did Obama denounce THIS?

http://snarkfood.com/mccain-calls-obama-a-decent-man-obama-supporters-
call-palin-a-cunt/

Yeah, well, Obama wasn't there.

I remember McCain saying to his supporters who booed Obama's name that he was a decent man. That bought him many point with me.

And any chick that shoots mooses (meese-?) for fun from a helicopter IS a c**t, s-o-r-r-y.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Careful there. That sounds like "the Secret Service found no evidence, so it didn't happen."

I prefer that to "...found no evidence, so it must of happened."

Remember Bush's 1980 trip to Iran in back of an SR-71 to broker the deal to keep the hostages until after the election? Democrats cited the complete lack of evidence as reason to investigate.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

Yeah, and Reagan used that "complete lack of evidence" to admit that he DID indeed negotiate with terrorists, and sold them TOW missiles despite his earlier denials of having done so.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
This one's for Chris and Kwick . . .

Did Obama denounce THIS?

http://snarkfood.com/mccain-calls-obama-a-decent-man-obama-supporters-
call-palin-a-cunt/

Yeah, well, Obama wasn't there.
I remember McCain saying to his supporters who booed Obama's name that he was a decent man. That bought him many point with me.

And any chick that shoots mooses (meese-?) for fun from a helicopter IS a c**t, s-o-r-r-y.

The laughing Chrisisall

...while Palin joked at her rallies about "someone who pals around with domestic terrorists..."

Which, you have to admit, is a pretty c-word-ish thing to do, really.

By the way, did the Secret Service investigate this? If not, it "must of" not happened, right?

ETA: In fairness, though, I think if those protestors wore those to an Obama rally and he saw them, he'd have them removed from the rally, not stand there smiling like McCain did when a supporter called Hillary "the bitch", or as Palin did while supporters yelled things like "treason", "terrorist", and "kill him".

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CITIZEN

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
I prefer that to "...found no evidence, so it must of happened."

Ah, and we're back to the Starr Report.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

he DID indeed negotiate with terrorists, and sold them TOW missiles

I bet you don't have one single picture of those incidents to prove it.

Means it didn't happen, obviously.

Let's ask Hero for a ruling.

The snark-induced Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

...while Palin joked at her rallies about "someone who pals around with domestic terrorists..."

& laughing like she was making jokes on a late night talk show...OOOOPPPSS!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

...while Palin joked at her rallies about "someone who pals around with domestic terrorists..."

Which, you have to admit, is a pretty c-word-ish thing to do, really.

Only if it weren't true.

Must I go through the Bill Ayers thing again?
"Guilty as sin, free as a bird! I love this country!"

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

ETA: In fairness, though, I think if those protestors wore those to an Obama rally and he saw them, he'd have them removed from the rally, not stand there smiling like McCain did when a supporter called Hillary "the bitch", or as Palin did while supporters yelled things like "treason", "terrorist", and "kill him".

I'll grant you that he would have moved them out of camera shot. But that is as FAR as I will go!

But seriously. With the stuff swirling around Obama that he seemingly got a pass on, Repulican supporters were getting fumed. I'm not saying it was right, or that it even happened (again, the Secret Service found no one else that heard "Kill him" and the only guy that apparently did was a staunch Obama supporter). I'm one of those who believe that if a relative newcomer to the Republican Party, only in the Senate for 2 years, with the connections that Obama had, would have gotten skewered by the MSM and the left to the point he wouldn't have gotten past the first few primaries. Nope. Can't prove it. Just a gut feelin'.

Just sayin' . . .

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:32 AM

Quote:
I'm one of those who believe that if a relative newcomer to the Republican Party, only in the Senate for 2 years, with the connections that Obama had, would have gotten skewered by the MSM and the left to the point he wouldn't have gotten past the first few primaries. Nope. Can't prove it. Just a gut feelin'.

You mean like a do-nothing drunken coke-head of a figurehead "governor" from Texas? Yeah, there's no way in hell someone like that could have ever gotten elected in this country...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CUDA77

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:49 AM

And the final turnout of the massive army that's outraged and isn't going to take it from David Letterman anymore and will stop at nothing to get him off the air winds up at an astonishing and overpowering...50.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/06/16/2009-06-16_fire_dave_crowd_
lines_up_to_protest_lettermans_palin_joke.html

Well...good try I guess?

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:54 AM

By the way, shouldn't A-Rod be demanding an apology too? After all, he was the one who was REALLY insulted and demeaned by this whole affair. Hey, he might do steroids and bang Madonna, but the guy's still got SOME standards!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:

Must I go through the Bill Ayers thing again?

Hey Rip, YOU were within 2000 miles of him once, YOU must be a friend of his too, you TERRORIST!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, shouldn't A-Rod be demanding an apology too? After all, he was the one who was REALLY insulted and demeaned by this whole affair.

He will, as soon as he's done crying it out.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, shouldn't A-Rod be demanding an apology too? After all, he was the one who was REALLY insulted and demeaned by this whole affair.

He will, as soon as he's done crying it out.

The laughing Chrisisall

Here we go again!

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:28 PM

Rather weak top ten list, but man did he get millage out of this....

lmao

http://lateshow.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/video_player/index/php/9896
52.phtml

" sarah palin has accepted my apology.... along with a $500 gift certificate from lenscrafters "

lol

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:41 PM

It's really funny and ironic - they wanted to hurt Letterman, get him fired, tank his ratings. Instead, they've given him a big boost.

I get the gut feeling that this whole bout of faux outrage had more to do with Letterman than with what was said. I think Palin is still trying to "get back at him" for what he did to McCain after McCain lied to him and bailed because he had to "go fix Washington" - and then turned up on Katie Couric's set. I'm sure Palin thinks that's what cost them the election, and she's still got an axe to grind over it.

Too bad it didn't work out for her, yet again.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:44 PM

Quote:

Hey Rip, YOU were within 2000 miles of him once, YOU must be a friend of his too, you TERRORIST!!!!

Right back atcha!!!!

Then again . . . I never announced my intentions to run for public office at he man's house . . . or had dinner with him . . . AND I was only 1 years old when he founded the Weather Underground so if Obama's off the hook for only being 8, I beat him by 7 years.

SO THERE!!

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

RUE

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:48 PM

Dooooods ...

Seriously ... Ripwash has already drunk the koolaid. He's a goner. There's no hope for him now.

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Silence is consent.

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Dooooods ...

Seriously ... Ripwash has already drunk the koolaid. He's a goner. There's no hope for him now.

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Silence is consent.

Mmmmmm... Tasty! How's that ObamaCola taste?

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:

Then again . . . I never announced my intentions to run for public office at he man's house

OBAMA WAS NEVER AT MY HOUSE.

The laughing Chrisisall

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:22 PM

So you say.

BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL!

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"It's okay! I'm a leaf on the wind!!!"
"What does that mean?!?!?!"

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:59 PM

Here is one for the Palindrones

or is it Palindromes ?

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

RUE

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:34 PM

"Mmmmmm... Tasty! How's that ObamaCola taste?"

See - it starts with blindness, which happens to be oddly selective. Apparently you never saw my posts saying that Obama was far more conservative than most people realized. Or my posts that said the time to fight would be AFTER the election. That I disagreed with his bailout of BIG BANKS and WALL STREET and with his continuing of Bush secrecy policies.

It continues with a serious inability to follow or understand simple logic. For example, that just b/c people don't disapprove of EVERYTHING Obama does, it means they SUPPORT everything he does. Like you just did, above.

Before long, like Rap, you will be unable to grasp simple reality - in your mind people will time-travel, be in two places at once, be all powerful and at the same time, powerless .... up will be down, black will be white. You'll be implying that Palin herself NEVER 'brought her kids into it' by her own choice. That McCain never accepted low blows at Obama by letting the crowd call him "traitor", "criminal", "terrorist", "liar", "Muslim terrorist" ... or that Palin said similar things. You won't be able to see that the thing that distinguished many McCain and Palin rallies was the level of HATE that was stoked, and allowed to run free.

Nope - you're already poisoned, and it will take its course.

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RIP

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:32 PM

I was just teasin', Rue! Sheesh! Note that I made fun of myself for drinking the koolaid you accused me of drinking first. Don't lose your sense of humor on me, now. Where are my defenders? Kwick? Chris? LOL

Re-read some of my posts, too, why dontcha? I was never 100% in the McCain camp. In fact, I would have rather had a choice by the time the Ohio primary came and went but it was basically all over by then. He was it.

I know you guys WANT another Rappy, but it ain't gonna be me. Sorry. I hope you guys have seen that I admit my faults, admit when I seem to be wrong, etc. I'm going to try and NOT get drawn into kitty ping-pong fights and I'm certainly not going to be the first to start hurling personal insults.

I'm sorry, but every time someone from the right starts an argument or a disagreement (even when done with a generous amount of snark), it seems lately the first thing you guys jump to is "You're starting to get like AURaptor!"

As to your last paragraph, you'll see just in this thread that I have pointed out via video links where McCain stood up for Obama and pictures from Obama rallies where people wore simply disgusting shirts describing Palin. So whenever I try to make a serious point, at least I try to prove my point with credible links, even linking to Huffington Post from time to time.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:53 PM

Loath as I am these days to enter a discussion in the RWED (maybe we should change the name to Lord of the Fireflies), I feel the need to clarify something about Letterman and liberal cultural values.

Letterman is a liberal joking with a liberal audience. Liberals don't really have a problem with sexual promiscuity--particularly between consenting folk of 18 years or older. And liberals, who are not obsessed with Palin's personal life only really know about the one daughter, Bristol. Ask 50 liberals to name another Palin daughter and 49 will make something up like, Cockatoo.

So, anyway, the daughter was NEVER the subject/butt of the joke. It would be like a conservative comic making a "joke" about Palin's love of guns. That would never play with a conservative audience, now, would it? It's just not funny to them.

No, the joke is on Sarah. What makes it funny? 'Cause she's a christo-fascist nutjob who's kid is having unprotected sex, thus undercutting her mom's whole way of life. And the "slutty flight attendant look" is funny for the same reason. Not because there's anything wrong with actual slutty flight attendants, but that this christo-fascist nutjob feels the need to play one on tv.

That is all. I relinquish the conch.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CITIZEN

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I'm sorry, but every time someone from the right starts an argument or a disagreement (even when done with a generous amount of snark), it seems lately the first thing you guys jump to is "You're starting to get like AURaptor!"

You're starting to sound like Baron Silas Greenback.

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:58 PM

Now that's just mean....

Wait . . .

Who?

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I was just teasin', Rue! Sheesh! Note that I made fun of myself for drinking the koolaid you accused me of drinking first. Don't lose your sense of humor on me, now. Where are my defenders? Kwick? Chris? LOL

Re-read some of my posts, too, why dontcha? I was never 100% in the McCain camp. In fact, I would have rather had a choice by the time the Ohio primary came and went but it was basically all over by then. He was it.

I know you guys WANT another Rappy, but it ain't gonna be me. Sorry. I hope you guys have seen that I admit my faults, admit when I seem to be wrong, etc. I'm going to try and NOT get drawn into kitty ping-pong fights and I'm certainly not going to be the first to start hurling personal insults.

I'm sorry, but every time someone from the right starts an argument or a disagreement (even when done with a generous amount of snark), it seems lately the first thing you guys jump to is "You're starting to get like AURaptor!"

As to your last paragraph, you'll see just in this thread that I have pointed out via video links where McCain stood up for Obama and pictures from Obama rallies where people wore simply disgusting shirts describing Palin. So whenever I try to make a serious point, at least I try to prove my point with credible links, even linking to Huffington Post from time to time.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

I'll agree with everything you just said...

Far as choices go Obama/Biden was better than McCain/Palin..

but still not what most people were looking for.

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

CITIZEN

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
Now that's just mean....

Wait . . .

Who?

Like you don't know!

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I'm sorry, but every time someone from the right starts an argument or a disagreement (even when done with a generous amount of snark), it seems lately the first thing you guys jump to is "You're starting to get like AURaptor!"

You're starting to sound like Baron Silas Greenback.

links? hello

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

RUE

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:09 PM

"I was never 100% in the McCain camp."

Until you started saying Obama palled around with terr'sts. And that something was fishy about Obama b/c he had so much less experience than Palin. (What ?) And --- it's not so much the McCain camp - it's the Obama is the devil camp.

So, with so many REAL things to criticize, why ever would you insist on the terr'st connection ? And other equally stooopid things ? Unless, of course, you're one of "them". The walking dead.

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RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
So, with so many REAL things to criticize, why ever would you insist on the terr'st connection ? And other equally stooopid things ?

'Cause I like ribbing you. Simple as that. I know you guys have answers to the terrorist stuff, but I like seeing the reaction it gets anyway.

I don't recall comparing Obama's experience to Palin's, but I could be wrong. All I remember saying is that Obama had relatively little experience. But if you don't wanna admit that what I posted about McCain standing up for Obama had merit or that the pictures with the "C" word on them about Palin were equally despicable, that's okay. I won't hold it against you.

Alas, since you seem to have lost your sense of humor today (you started this by stating I was drinking koolaid, to which I replied "MMMM TASTY!). I shall wait until you find it again.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

RUE

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:38 PM

"All I remember saying is that Obama had relatively little experience."

And failed to note that Palin had less ... you see, it's that selective blindness. Get used to it.

As for what happened during the campaigns - it's matter of degree. McCain's and Palin's were often NOTED for the high degree of hate. Which McCain let run on for a long time before he said anything at all. And which Palin (as part of that campaign - remember ?) traded in to the very end.

But you'll never see that.

You will keep insisting that you're right - that Obama was JUST as bad, that Palin was JUST as exeprienced --- and frankly, all sorts of other delusional stuff.

BTW - Rap started out just like you. And he didn't get where he got in a day. He worked at it - just like you are doing. It starts with that first sip of pure blind partisanship. After that - it's all over.

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Silence is consent.

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:43 PM

Ah well...

See it how you want to, Rue. I see things just fine. Lesser of two evils, ya know. Just because I saw the evils differently than you did is no reason to start accusing me of being delusional. That's kinda petty.

But right now . . . I see you unwilling to agree with MY points about at least the Palin shirts. If those are okay with you, more power to ya.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I see faults on BOTH sides, Rue. You seem to forget how many times I HAVE said that.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RIPWash:
I was just teasin', Rue! Sheesh! Note that I made fun of myself for drinking the koolaid you accused me of drinking first. Don't lose your sense of humor on me, now. Where are my defenders? Kwick? Chris? LOL

I'm here, Rip. You're like, I dunno, maybe doin' a more conservative version of what I do, ribbing & all. But close enough to the center that I like ya (you goofball, you). Rue's just being REAL cautionary, she's been bitten by the AUlapdog (as we all have), & just doesn't want it to happen again, I conjure.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:

No, the joke is on Sarah. What makes it funny? 'Cause she's a christo-fascist nutjob who's kid is having unprotected sex, thus undercutting her mom's whole way of life.

Zactly, HK.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:28 PM

"no reason to start accusing me of being delusional"

Why not ? You've (yet again) failed to address the MANY things you've stated that are clearly partisan. For a quick review, see below. B/c frankly, all I see are pathetic complaints against Obama and 'the left', and endless rationalizations, and weak excuses for McCain and Palin, and not ONE single criticism of them --- your BIG double standard is showing ...

Knowing the joke was in bad taste ... So, really, I don't think the apology was 100% authentic.

I think her anger is justified a little bit.

... assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left ...

But let's face it. We all screw up from time to time. (This one to excuse Bristol, but not Letterman.)

And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.

So your point is moot.

The Palin video has someone shout "treason". Not "terrorist".

Must I go through the Bill Ayers thing again?

With the stuff swirling around Obama that he seemingly got a pass on ...

if a relative newcomer to the Republican Party, only in the Senate for 2 years, with the connections that Obama had, would have gotten skewered by the MSM and the left

I never announced my intentions to run for public office at he man's house . . . or had dinner with him

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:37 PM

Yeah, when ya add it up like that... still, he's FAR from becoming a 'Rap, IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:41 PM

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In the right context (if Bristol was the one at the game), I'd say it was funny. But then, I invariably find slamming hypocrisy humourous.
There are two things wrong with this.

First of all, why is it okay if it is the 18 year old? The law says its okay for her to have consensual sex and you decide that means its okay to objectify her and disrespect her? I might be required to obey the law, but I don’t allow it to decide my morals or what I think is right or wrong. I don’t think an 18 year old kid is anymore deserving of being treated like trash then a 14 year old. So the question I have for you is, if it weren’t for the law scaring you off, why would you have any problem objectifying a 14 year old kid? What really is the difference in your mind, sans the law?

Hey, Finn, I'm sure you'll join every right-winger here in condemning Jongstraw for saying things like

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...does your 14-year old daughter want to be knocked-up by ARod, or even me per chance? What good sport!

After all, he's advocating rape of young girls, and in your mind, even if he were talking about 18-year-olds, it would be just as disgusting, right?

And clearly he's saying he likes fucking underage girls, so I'll be waiting for you and all your right-wing buddies to vilify him. Heck, you should probably call for him to be fired. WhoZit, I'm sure, will want Jongsy killed, just like he wanted Letterman dead.

Surely you'll want to put politics aside and tell me "good job!" for pointing out this kind of disgusting "humor" to you so you can denounce it, yes?

I'll wait. I won't hold my breath though.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Meanwhile, more than a day later, I'm still eagerly awaiting the right-wingers' vociferous denunciation of Jongstraw's hate speech and utterly tasteless jokes about raping underage girls.

C'mon, Finn - how can anyone here ever believe anything you say when you clearly exercise such a set of double standards?

I guess we can't. Not that I've ever put much credence in your words in the first place, but I think we can all plainly see which side your partisan bread is buttered on...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

RUE

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:38 PM

Yeah, Chris,Isall

RIP isn't as bad as Rap - yet. But then, Rap didn't start out being as bad as Rap. I'm just waving the yellow caution flag. At some point a little decision was reached in RIP's head. And he probably didn't even notice it - it was quick, and quiet. A momentary - yeah, I'm OK with that. That's how it started. And that is the path he is on now.

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SERGEANTX

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
RIP isn't as bad as Rap - yet. But then, Rap didn't start out being as bad as Rap.

rue wasn't that bad either, at first.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"no reason to start accusing me of being delusional"

Why not ? You've (yet again) failed to address the MANY things you've stated that are clearly partisan. For a quick review, see below. B/c frankly, all I see are pathetic complaints against Obama and 'the left', and endless rationalizations, and weak excuses for McCain and Palin, and not ONE single criticism of them --- your BIG double standard is showing ...

Okay. I'll play your game, but only because you seem to be on a rampage and unable to detect snark from me unless I intentionally put the smileys in there (and seem to ignore them when I do). Why is it that Kwicko and Chris can detect my attempts at humor and you can not? Ah well. Here we go.

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Knowing the joke was in bad taste ... So, really, I don't think the apology was 100% authentic.
I'm sorry, but I thought we were allowed to express opinion on this forum? I watched Letterman's initial apology and IMHO I didn't think it was 100% authentic (and the fact that he felt he had to apologize again kinda proves my point). I explained why I thought this, so please read it again. Nothing partisan about it.

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I think her anger is justified a little bit.
Again, this was just an opinion that I didn't think partisanship played into. She's a mother and I was looking at it from a mother's point of view. Not a Conservative former Republican VP nominee's point of view. Big difference there. In Letterman's second (and much more sincere apology, btw) he even admits that he would have been offended by his own joke.

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... assumption heaped upon her by lose on the left ...
I reserve the right as an American with free speech to claim it as I see it, that there are people on the left and people on the right. And like it or not, assumptions are heaped on people because of their party affiliation or religious beliefs. I'm sure you don't like it when people do it to you and I'm sure Sarah Palin doesn't either. That's just a basic human fact. Nothing intentionally partisan there.

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But let's face it. We all screw up from time to time. (This one to excuse Bristol, but not Letterman.)
I used the word "we" there for a reason. That WE ALL SCREW UP. That was intended to encompass all of humanity. I didn't just mean that as "we conservative republicans". Sorry if you took it that way. Of course, Letterman screwed up. It was joke in bad taste given the circumstances. Even he admits that now. My initial problem was that he apologized first, but that apology was in a joking manner in order to get more laughs. The second apology was much more sincere and heartfelt, so KUDOS to David for doing that.

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And to think it's okay to bring her kids into it is just hideous.
I fail to see how this is partisan. Sorry. Keep the kids out of it. Even Obama said so and I applauded him for initiating that during the campaign.

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So your point is moot.
I see your point here a little bit. That was said in complete jest and it was an inside joke only funny to me. Whenever I say that, there's an old SNL skit with Jesse Jackson in which he shoots down anything anybody says by using circular logic and ends it with "Your point is moot." I though it was funny anyway. My apologies for not explaining the inner joke sooner. Seriously.

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The Palin video has someone shout "treason". Not "terrorist".
That's just a simple fact. I watched/listened to the video Chris referred to and the person did, indeed, say "treason" not "terrorist" as he had indicated. Just bein' nitpicky.

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Must I go through the Bill Ayers thing again?
This is getting a little tiresome, but again, a little side joke I had going on with Kwicko (I think it was him anyway).

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With the stuff swirling around Obama that he seemingly got a pass on ...

if a relative newcomer to the Republican Party, only in the Senate for 2 years, with the connectio

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RIPWASH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Yeah, Chris,Isall

RIP isn't as bad as Rap - yet. But then, Rap didn't start out being as bad as Rap. I'm just waving the yellow caution flag. At some point a little decision was reached in RIP's head. And he probably didn't even notice it - it was quick, and quiet. A momentary - yeah, I'm OK with that. That's how it started. And that is the path he is on now.

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Ah yes. . . at some point I'm going to start railing about how all of you are stark-raving lunatics for not seeing things my way. That Rush is right and everyone else is wrong. Is that what you wanna hear? Sorry. You don't know me personally and intimately so I don't expect you to believe this. That ain't gonna happen. I hope to prove you wrong, Rue.

But really . . . and I say this with a bit of hesitancy . . . my comment about heaping assumptions on someone because of their political affiliation is starting to be expressed here . . . by you. Just a little bit. Dontchathink? You're jumping to conclusions that you can't prove. Just because I'm saying a few things you don't like or agree with you're automatically assuming the worst. And honestly I'm a bit offended. Not that I think you'll care about that.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
I was just teasin', Rue! Sheesh! Note that I made fun of myself for drinking the koolaid you accused me of drinking first. Don't lose your sense of humor on me, now. Where are my defenders? Kwick? Chris? LOL

Re-read some of my posts, too, why dontcha? I was never 100% in the McCain camp. In fact, I would have rather had a choice by the time the Ohio primary came and went but it was basically all over by then. He was it.

I know you guys WANT another Rappy, but it ain't gonna be me. Sorry. I hope you guys have seen that I admit my faults, admit when I seem to be wrong, etc. I'm going to try and NOT get drawn into kitty ping-pong fights and I'm certainly not going to be the first to start hurling personal insults.

I'm sorry, but every time someone from the right starts an argument or a disagreement (even when done with a generous amount of snark), it seems lately the first thing you guys jump to is "You're starting to get like AURaptor!"

As to your last paragraph, you'll see just in this thread that I have pointed out via video links where McCain stood up for Obama and pictures from Obama rallies where people wore simply disgusting shirts describing Palin. So whenever I try to make a serious point, at least I try to prove my point with credible links, even linking to Huffington Post from time to time.

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"What does that mean?!?!?!"

Looks like I'm late to the party, but for the record, I don't find Ripper to be much at all like Rappy. I've had good discussion with Rip, we've both made our points and given ground on other points; there's a DISCUSSION going on instead of a shouting match.

Just sayin'.

And Rip, I don't think we're looking for another Rappy. Not including you, we've still got several Rappy Juniors flitting around here.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:19 PM

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Loath as I am these days to enter a discussion in the RWED (maybe we should change the name to Lord of the Fireflies), I feel the need to clarify something about Letterman and liberal cultural values.

Letterman is a liberal joking with a liberal audience. Liberals don't really have a problem with sexual promiscuity--particularly between consenting folk of 18 years or older. And liberals, who are not obsessed with Palin's personal life only really know about the one daughter, Bristol. Ask 50 liberals to name another Palin daughter and 49 will make something up like, Cockatoo.

So, anyway, the daughter was NEVER the subject/butt of the joke. It would be like a conservative comic making a "joke" about Palin's love of guns. That would never play with a conservative audience, now, would it? It's just not funny to them.

No, the joke is on Sarah. What makes it funny? 'Cause she's a christo-fascist nutjob who's kid is having unprotected sex, thus undercutting her mom's whole way of life. And the "slutty flight attendant look" is funny for the same reason. Not because there's anything wrong with actual slutty flight attendants, but that this christo-fascist nutjob feels the need to play one on tv.

That is all. I relinquish the conch.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Right on. When I first heard the quip, that was what I thought of - Bristol Palin. 'Course, as I pointed out before, when you're talking about the Palins and you mention "daughter" and "knocked up" in the same breath, Bristol would seem to be rather implied.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Far as choices go Obama/Biden was better than McCain/Palin..

but still not what most people were looking for.

Ain't that the damn truth...

OPPYH

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:28 PM

Palin accepted Letterman's apology.

Letterman's ratings are through the roof.

Next time he should spout a more offensive joke, and then apologize after. His ratings should then triple what they are currently.

Did he plan for all this to happen?

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Palin accepted Letterman's apology.

Letterman's ratings are through the roof.

Next time he should spout a more offensive joke, and then apologize after. His ratings should then triple what they are currently.

Did he plan for all this to happen?

Number two on last nights top ten list...

2) He should apologize for that horrible hairpiece....

Maybe in a few years...

But I would still rather watch Craig Fergueson... more funny in my book

and when Nathan guests........ lmao

the two of them could have a show

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by RIPWash:
But I've also fully admitted that I can be partisan in my views depending on the subject matter.

That's the difference here, once one can admit that (as indeed, I do as well), we can have honest debate, and attempt to sway each others views. Once one proclaims him (or her) self infallibly correct, 'RAPdog fights ensue.

Carry on.

The laughing Chrisisall

RUE

Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:00 AM

"rue wasn't that bad either, at first."

And then SergeantX turned into a flaming idiot.

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RUE

Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:15 AM

RIP

"... I thought we were allowed to express opinion ... Again, this was just an opinion ... I reserve the right as an American with free speech to claim it ...Just my point of view, Rue."

It's not that you shouldn't express your opinion.
It's not that you can't express your opinion.
It's not that you don't have a point of view.

It's your OPINION I disagree with. It's very, very partisan. Not just a little.

"... and the fact that he felt he had to apologize again kinda proves my point ..."

No, he had to apologize again b/c people on the right (your people) wouldn't let it go. It had nothing to do with his joke - which was TRIVIAL. It had everything to do with people --- like you.

"... She's a mother and I was looking at it from a mother's point of view."

If Palin hadn't wanted her children to be brought into it, she should never have carted them around wherever she went and brought them on stage for POLITICAL events like life-awards trophies.

Get it ?

"I can see and admit to the faults on both sides, Republicans when it's called for even ..."

And you can point to one instance where you did that ?

"I used the word "we" there for a reason."

And then wrote exclusively about Bristol. So, if I am to take the context of Letterman's joke into account - shouldn't I take yours as well ? Oh wait, that's only fair when YOU want to hang someone. Right ?

"... did you actually read what I wrote?"

No - and sorry to not. My time here has gotten to be VERY limited - a few minutes in months - at best.

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And now, I have to go. I have an appointment.

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