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A Defiant 'Verse OOC II *Sign Ups Open!*

POSTED BY: Defiant2thelast
UPDATED: Monday, August 10, 2009 09:50
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Thursday, July 9, 2009 5:09 AM (P)

Awesome Ava. Well worth the wait, glad you finally got that bio working for you.

Now for the hard part, getting on the damn ship. The captain is a hard fellow, good luck.

:D

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:35 AM (P)

Yeah... I'm not even thinking about that currently... lol I'm sure I'll figure something out >.>

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 6:42 AM (P)

I was joking, sorta. Heh

And I am in the chat right now. You sorta popped in but left. I know I'm strange but am I that weird to chat with? LOL

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 8:15 PM (P)

Can I make up diseases and syndromes? *evil grin*

I'm SWAMPED with backed-up work and overwhelmed after 2 days attending college freshman/parent orientation, and my brain has turned to mush.

Welcome to Avamarie! I'll read your CS when the brain returns to as close to "normal" as it will get. Same goes for the RP posts I haven't read yet.

:(

Must... get... some... rest.

*passes out on keyboard*

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Thursday, July 9, 2009 8:25 PM (P)

As long as you put some thought into them and research similar conditions, sure I'm fine with making up stuff. As mentioned in The Train Job, terraforming created a whole new degree of unknown illnesses and chronic health conditions. I would imagine biowarfare and genetically modified crops(drought resistant stuff etc) and viruses(for vaccines etc..) are still around as well, which could lead to some interesting new viruses and bacteria.

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Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:17 PM (P)

.... Wow.

Come on people, lets not let this die.

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Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:10 AM (P)

Like I say - I'm kinda waiting on Mobbie. Lemme know if you want me to go ahead and post anyhow - or, like I say, if someone wants to come out an interrupt us, then technically, I don's HAVE to wait :P


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Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:23 AM (P)

Sorry Shade... yeah I kinda want to post. Additionalpylon is busy at the moment but should be back later. I'll chat with him, see if he feels like posting and if not I'll go ahead and post myself.

I was also waiting to give Meshakhad time to reply to your post. Then I had a few issues come up that has kept me a bit distracted, even when I am online.

I'm in the chat, btw.

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Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:03 PM (P)

Nice going, Linc and Dale.

Now, we can get this show on the road -- the door has literally been opened. ;-)

I almost posted, but after a chat with Linc decided to alter it a bit.

ElPagan, my scene will fit right in with what you wrote regarding Dale's clever escape.

Got a ton of work to finish before I can re-visit Dr. Jack, though. Sorry, Linc, I know I said I'd post it this morning, but you know how RL has a way of messing up one's intentions.

Can't wait to read about the new threesome coming aboard.

And where's the captain, BTW?

ETA: I posted the scene and left an opening.

ETA2: If nobody bites, I'll just have her run into a pole or something. ;-)

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Monday, July 13, 2009 8:24 PM (P)

I've caught myself up, have a post in mind, just waiting on the three outside all ready before I throw another in there =P

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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:00 AM (P)

Captain is in his quarters. He didn't ask me to tell you all but he's insanely busy with family stuff IRL. He will be posting when he can.

Also remember his character is not for general RP usage, he's supposed to be a bit distant. The story is about the rest of the crew, for now.

Hopefully Shade and Moe and Meshakaha will come around and post in the next couple days so we can get moving even further. Just remember not to have any expectations and stay on your toes and ready for the unexpected. Which could be just about anything.

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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:52 AM (P)

I replied. I tried to make it longer, but I really couldn't think of anything else to say.

But... FOR THE LOVE OF EXPLOSIVES!

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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:42 AM (P)

Where the eff did everybody go?

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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:22 AM (P)

I'm trying to get a post up. Recent bad news for husband's job has had creativity at an all time low.

Hopefully something will work out soon.


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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:26 AM (P)

I hope everything works out well concerning your hubby's job, Shade.

I'll post today some time. I've been feeling a bit useless lately and spent all day yesterday working around the house. Damnit I need to get back out and find another job soon, I've been unemployed for over a year now. Thank Bud(umm inside joke) I have understanding and cool parents... and ofcourse the fact I cook every meal and vacuum, wash dishes and have been doing my own laundry since I was 11 helps a lot.

Also, please if any of you get the chance watch the pilot movie and first episode of Warehouse 13. This show is almost as good as Firefly in my opinion and easily one of my favorite shows already after two weeks. The cast is almost completely perfect and the steampunkesque/retro scifi gadgets and paranormal/crime genre mesh to awesome effect. Better than Eureka... and I love that show.

Anyway, I promise I'll post later today after I get some sleep and then work on my driving skills in the pasture... it's as bad as it sounds... I'll poke the Cap a few times to make sure he's noticed the new posts too.

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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:45 PM (P)

Hi, all,

Sending positive vibes to all those in stressful states of being at present.

I think I read somewhere on Defiant's guidelines that the idea is for each character to post an average of once weekly?

But we're all at different stages of our sojourn on the planet, with varying real life situations. I think this RP has great potential, and she's just a baby yet, there's plenty of time for growth.

My life's pretty full right now, too. Whatever happened to the "lazy days of summer"?

RPGs tend to move in waves, lots of posts one week, none the next. The great thing about this RP is that the posts are short and sweet. In my other RP, it takes hours (at least for me) to write a post due to all the review and research necessary to keep up with the four single guys who are into sci fi military techno one-upmanship. But they're great writers, so I try to keep my finger in the pie.

Looking forward to everyone's next post. No pressure, let's just have fun with it.

ETA: Anyone here in N.Z.? Hope the earthquake and tsunami didn't affect you.

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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:55 PM (P)

Crap Brah! I hope so too. I've been in my own little world and hadn't heard about the earthquake and tsunami either.

I'm revving up to work on my post right now. Probably won't be up as soon as I'd hoped, since I'm going to run it by someone before I do it.

I've settled on a color scheme for my Beetle; Classic Brown for the most part, Deep Green Fenders and Dark Navy rims(Just the rims not the hubcap). And a custom designed decal on the back I've been working on, nothing big just an upside-down navy star over three silver bars(Yes it's a Browncoat Beetle!). I've mocked it all up in photoshop, but it's rough and more just for color visualization. I'm still at least a year away from actually getting it stripped down and powder-coated or painted(whichever I can get easiers and cheapest). Also adding gravel gaurds, eyebrows, roof rack, door guards, rainguards and mud flaps... in other words road ready for anything. I'm tempted to add some off-road touches...

Sorry end car rant.

In other news I'm working on a completely new version of the Idents. IF I can get them sorted out I'll make up a Info sheet and post it up at the Ident Thread. I'll post more info on these over there to keep this post shorter.

Back to work on my post.



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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:03 PM (P)

*Cel reads Bucket's post and comes running in to say*...

Lol. What!?!

I think the doctor may faint from fright, her ears bleeding profusely.

Lol. Good one, Bucket.

Glad to know the N.Z. news was just overblown media go-seh, as usual.

Speaking of go-seh ;) since we have all these veteran Firefly RPers on board and not much going on, can somebody please direct me to a good list of Mandarin expletives?

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39 AM (P)

Hi! I'm still here. Came back from my trip with vertigo, which has made things interesting. Sorry I haven't been posting or chatting. Not really sure what to post IC (or if I even should), but I could probably get a post up tomorrow.

I'm in the chat right now, by the way. I have school work to do, which should take about an hour. So, if anybody's around...

Cel: This is the list I've been using:

http://brightwater.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/1/9/1319482/moregorramchines
e.pdf


I'm not sure if it's Mandarin, but I think it is.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:46 AM (P)

I apologize for cutting your character off like the Yinyang. People kept leaning on me to post Lincoln opening the damned door! Personally I'd have rather they actually bantered a bit more... No worries though.

Post whatever and whenever you like. There's not a set flow to how we get from point to point, anything me and the captain have planned is totally fluid and it's up to you guys to react in whatever way you think your characters should. Events will change and evolve based on where the crew is and how they are interacting. For those of you with familiarity in traditional RPGs, think of it as a GM coming up with ideas and then having to adjust them as his/her players go off on their own and totally stress the rules and patience of said GM. Which is TOTALLY NOT a bad thing at all, it's the whole point.

Did that make sense? If not I'll try again. I'll be hanging out in the chat again tonight, haven't been in there in awhile.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:19 PM (P)

Thanks, YinYang, for the excellent list!

And to Linc, that makes perfect sense to me as that's how the other RPG's have worked that I've participated in.

I haven't been in chat because RL has been demanding, but hopefully it'll slow down soon.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:52 PM (P)

I have a whole BUNCH of firefly resorce sites, for Chinese and whatnot:

http://fireflychinese.kevinsullivansite.net/index.html The Firefly Pinyinary, which is all the chinese ever uttered or seen in the show or movie (I'm sure MOST of you have it, but just in case..)

http://www.formosa-translation.com/chinese/ an EXCELLENT site for visual chinese. If you need a symbol, this is the easiest place to find it.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ just for basic translation - gives you the translation in Chinese letters, so you'll need the next link to translate each one into pidgin (english letters). This is neccessary if you want what you wrote to actually be grammatically correct - Chinese often has multiple words that mean similiar things, but if you don't speak the language, you don't know which word is the appropriate one - this helps you not look stupid lol.

http://www.mandarintools.com/worddict.html this is a dictionary, you'll want to copy and paste from the babelfish site, then translate - it won't work, so when it tells you it can't do it, click on the translate each word link on the error message page, and go from there. This process can take a little work, but I feel it's worth it to feel I at least came CLOSE to using the words right.

http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/mandarin.htm this is the BEST for truly NASTY swear words but BE WARNED!!! THIS PAGE HAS NAKED ADS!!! THIS IS AN ADULT PAGE, AND IS NOT SAFE FOR GENERAL EYES. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. But that aside, it's the BEST for really real swearing. Even has actual slang (some of it's kinda amusing).

http://oberon.hawkwingaerie.com/index.php?topic=207.0 this is from my own site - it's a thread where we've accumulated a collection of useful chinese.

http://www.chinese-poems.com/ Chinese poems, useful if you have a poetry inclined character.

http://www.behindthename.com/ the hands down, all-time, unquestionalbly, BEST site for naming a character. I use this site constantly for names that fit my characters. (I found my companion's name - Najwa Shula - there, it means "Secret Flame")

Ok - enjoy, I hope that helps.

Thanks everyone for the nice thoughts, things may not have changed, exactly, but the general mood and stress level have relaxed a bit, thank goodness, and I got a post up!

That said, I'm very sorry, Mei, if Shade seems a little harsh. She's only reacting, in-character, to what's going on around her. I don't ignore in-character actions, if you say you did it, then in her reality, you did, so I'm not trying to be harsh, just deal with what's going on. I don't know if it SOUNDED harsh to anyone else, but as I was writing, Shade was a little miffed, I could tell, and I tried to keep her in line. Mostly, she just wants to get this part over with, and either get hired, or move on to another ship. She HATES job interviews lol.

Ummm... does that catch me up? cose enough!



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Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:29 PM (P)

Thanks, Shadesiren!

I've used a couple of those over the years and forgot all about 'em.

I do use Behind the Name whenever I'm looking for a new character's name. I agree it's most excellent.

Shade didn't sound too harsh to me, when I read your post. Ain't it great when the characters speak in your ear and you just write it down for them?

Jackie's not doing that for me yet, but I hope she will once I get to know her better.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:17 PM (P)

Maybe harsh wasn't the word for it - I reread my post, and yeah, it doesn't sound harsh. Maybe it was just Shade not answering the question and being all annoyed that made me think that.

I have several characters that I swear I just try and write as fast as I can to keep up with - they are totally the ones talking, not me lol. Shade is already one - but she's a sort of permutation of another character. I think of her as what the other character would have been if life had not taken the rather drastic left turn it took for her, and instead stayed on the same path. Shade is what would have happened. I'm excited to try and play out that character. It's what the other one was SUPOSED to have been, but in RL things happened, and caused in-character changes, putting her in a position where she can't be who she used to be.

SO, yeah - loving the chance to really see who she was meant to be.

I can't WAIT for her to finally get to interact with everyone else!


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Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:33 PM (P)

Posted.

Wait until your characters meet the captain... heh heh...

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:20 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by LincolnZ:
Posted.

Wait until your characters meet the captain... heh heh...



Looking forward to that.

Seems we haven't heard from Moe for awhile. Maybe he'll have something to say once he sees the inside of The Defiant.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:30 PM (P)

We most certainly will. Moe isn't leaving us, I won't let him. :D No worries about that.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:50 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by LincolnZ:
We most certainly will. Moe isn't leaving us, I won't let him. :D No worries about that.


GOOD!

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:02 PM (P)

I meant HE most certainly will. LOL

He told me so himself last night. So lets hope he can get one together.

No pressure though, brah.

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Friday, July 17, 2009 1:41 AM (P)

Two posts in two days - yay!

momentum, lets keep it going!



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Friday, July 17, 2009 1:54 AM (P)

'nuther post.

Short but I felt it was needed to keep the flow and banter going.

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Friday, July 17, 2009 4:19 AM (P)

Stupid husband's stupid computer melted, so he got to get a new one. was supposed to be MY Turn for the new one, for the upgrade...

oh well, now he has to spend ALL night downloading all the updates for WoW and CoX lol. Will be HOURS before he can play :P

and I liked it, Linc, good post :P Made Shade feel all.. well, I'd say Manly, but that doesn't fit.

Capable?

Something like that.



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Friday, July 17, 2009 5:00 AM (P)

Didnt' he all ready have the newer computer anyway? How the hell did it melt?!

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Friday, July 17, 2009 1:24 PM (P)

it's acted wierd since he had to have it fixed the last time (when he dropped the CPU and bent some of the pins, and it wouldn't work anymore).

He used to have trouble turning it on - had to turn off the power switch on the power supply, then turn it back on, then turn on and boot up the PC. Plus, his video card was super noisy, and ran super, super hot.

I think mainly the video card was what was wrong, but with that wierd power supply thing, it seemed best to just buy a new one, and have him start fresh, than buy a video card, cross our fingers, and maybe have to buy him a new one ANYWAY in a week when it died again.

So, he has a new one. And it works really nice.

And I'M NEXT. lol... not that I want my baby to die. I might be upgrading her ram, from 2 to 4, with the ram chips from his computer. Mine has always been a Frankenstein's Monster, made up from the parts of other dead PCs. It's like, tradition.

did anyone post? *runs off to see*


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Friday, July 17, 2009 11:09 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadesiren:
WoW



WoW player! Get away!

As an Eve fanatic, I have some pretty harsh stereotypes when it comes to WoW players. Especially when it comes to the average IQ of the players in it.

Anyway, school comes around again this Monday, which perversly means I will have more time for the RP. Yes. I don't understand it either. Expect a post from me today, I promised Linc I wouldn't leave you guys hanging.



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:23 AM (P)

The captain appears! (Careful, he's armed and likely dangerous.)

On another subject...

dueling buttocks? How you say that in Mandarin?

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Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:45 AM (P)

Buttle.. it was a typo of bullet... I was very tired at the time. It's better than other quotes of mine he's taken out of context. LOL

He's been doing it for a long time now too.

And great post man.

I'll post again once someone else does. I want to give other people a chance to jump in an shine.

Oh and I'll be on very little tomorrow. Going to Jazz fest in the afternoon(It's a huge thing here). I'll be there through midnight almost so don't expect me on late. Going shopping for groceries, CDs and a certain sort of miniature I'm addicted too at the moment in the AM so none then either. Sunday, I promise. I've also got a ton of good books to read(E.E. Knight's VE series.. read it.)

Gah... tired, shouldn't be posting.

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Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:19 AM (P)

This *probably* needs to be said again, because this is the first incident of it. For those who don't know, check the IC thread for my post regarding hireing Mei.

I'm *not* kicking Mei out of the RP, if I was, I'd have said so first. One of the guide lines was about seizing an opportunity. This is pretty much the first one. I wont point them out so bluntly from now on, but it seems a little unfair if I didn't this time. How Mei handles this situation will influence how the captain will treat her in the future.

If that didn't make sense, just say so =P



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Monday, July 20, 2009 1:43 AM (P)

Question! Is the door still physically open or do I have to knock?

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Monday, July 20, 2009 3:08 AM (P)

Yeah, door is wide open. Technically. I guess...

If you say so.

Sorry, yeah it's open. Sorta.

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Monday, July 20, 2009 8:17 AM (P)

I think this is the kind of "vagueness" that was mentioned, eh?

BTW Pylon, you just pointed out something I forgot when I wrote the post. *whistiles innocently and keeps going foward*



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Monday, July 20, 2009 11:44 AM (P)

Just wanted to make sure before I posted something stupid =P

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:33 AM (P)

I posted... err yesterday now. LOL

Seriously people. Just wanted to remind you all the Defiant is docked AT a space station, not inside it. Think War Stories, how Serenity was docked at Niska's own Sky Plex. This place is a bit fancier... so to account for all the looking at the ship I mentioned a window above the docking area so you can look "up" and see the ships's nose and forward areas. It's hard to visualize yeah... but well it's there. Heh. Oh and keep on your toes, you never know what's going to happen next.

Going to bed now. Just realized I should post in here too.

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:11 PM (P)

I'm really not sure how to respond to this. The only thing I can come up with is to ask for passage and see what comes up, but Mei isn't going to be that useful most of the time. Any suggestions?

But... FOR THE LOVE OF EXPLOSIVES!

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:58 PM (P)

You have to be creative and roleplay your character how you think she should react. What would she say to that sort of rejection?

We can't tell you what to do. That wouldn't be RP, I'm not exactly sure what that would be.

Network television?

lol

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Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:43 PM (P)

My post is pretty much ready... let me know when the five of you want me to interrupt... don't wanna cut anyone off that's been waiting ya know?

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Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:28 PM (P)


And not to post after myself but it looks like we're waiting on you Defiant... Go go posting powers!

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:45 AM (P)

BAH hatechoo lack of deletion!

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:50 AM (P)

New in character thread, as some people are having to wait for unacceptable amounts of time to load the page. UPDATE THEM BOOKMARKS!

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=17&t=39233



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:50 AM (P)

Signature ftw!

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:55 AM (P)

It worked!

POUM CHICK POUM CHICK POUM CHAK CHAK CHAK!

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Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:45 PM (P)

POUM CHICK POUM CHICK POUM CHAK CHA CHAK!!!

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:42 AM (P)

Ugh guys this is killing me! I wanna poooooost *cries*

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Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:46 AM (P)

POUMCHICKPOUMCHICKPOUMCHAKCHAKCHAK!

Come one people. Ava wants to post!


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Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:35 PM (P)

Yeah, she pestered me like crazy ALL morning at work.


FINE.

I posted :P:P:P LMAO


Also, fyi, I posted three chapters of a sort of fan fic in the blue sun room. The Empty Reflection is possibly going to be a sort of prequel to the Oberon, for Dicey, but it's non-canon in every way, as far as I'm concern, as Dicey was never ACTUALLY intended to ever come face to face with the crew of Serenity.

Chapter 1: http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=22267

Chapter 2: http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=22268

Chapter 3: http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=22275

I could really use Contructive Criticism, if anyone has any :)



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Saturday, July 25, 2009 11:00 PM (P)

I did... I think I brought it up like, every hour, and jumped up and down and poked and prodded...

It was great

Edit: And it wasn't as massive as I expected, but ta da! <3 hope you guys like it

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 2:28 AM (P)

Welcome Aboard Ava! Officially now.

Great first post.

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:13 AM (P)

Post on the way.

I'll just stick it in that spot in the new IC thread (the one where I thought I was posting in a new OoC thread)



I'm going to make an assumption about one of our newer characters and hope that's okay.

With Jackie being a local doc, I'm figuring she might have treated this person for an injury. Thought it might add a little dimension/drama to the situation.

If it's not kosher to do that here, just say the word and I'll remove it.

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 10:39 AM (P)

hey yall. Just posted. Note- his exclamation is a mental one, and I've repeated his earlier curse as poetic repetition- not out of laziness.

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:12 PM (P)

Lol, Bucket!

The doc shouldda gave him just a couple of those little green pills and took the bottle away from him.

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:40 PM (P)

Here's my problem. The captain shot Mei down pretty strongly. Unless he changes his mind, or someone else says something, she's going to write off the Defiant as a possibility and try somewhere else.

I really can't think of anything Mei could say or do that would change things. She's very new to the whole "job-hunting" thing.

But... FOR THE LOVE OF EXPLOSIVES!

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Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:04 PM (P)

Considering Mei's history, she doesn't necessarily seem the type to give up so easily. Yes, it would be quite a shocker to have your entire resume shot down without the blink of an eye, BUT that doesn't mean you should give up.

Yes, take a little time to possibly reconnect with what you're trying to imply and give to the captain, but don't give up. There have been plenty of interruptions for the girl to think about what to do and what to say, so just go with it and hope for the best.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 1:17 AM (P)

It's not a bad thing Cel, but probably ought to post a new post instead of editing the last. What's done is done and it'd be better to just do a new one.

Also it's easier to notice that a new one has been posted.

It's up to you though.

Hopefully this won't be an issue in the future. We're working to address the no-deleting issue, among others.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 1:53 AM (P)

Okay, won't happen again, Linc. Thanks.

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Monday, July 27, 2009 4:28 PM (P)

*poke defiant*

Tag! You're it! Once you post, I expect another waterfall of posts in response, so.. get posting! LOL

On the other hand, cross your fingers for us.. it just keeps getting otter, and I swear.. I'm not gonna make it!! (it's in the nineties here this week - rare, for the northwest)



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Monday, July 27, 2009 4:52 PM (P)

I plan to drive around a lot in the next few days Shade, what about you? Air conditioning in the car ftw lol

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:02 AM (P)

I'll work on a post tonight.

Stay tuned.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:05 PM (P)

So apparently I knocked even though you guys are outside... ummm totally disregard that and it's just a flub on my part because I wasn't quite sure as to where we were and I was just too excited to post lol <3

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:09 PM (P)

No worries, apparently we are both inside and outside the ship, as everyone seems to have a different idea of where we are all standing.

lol


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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:48 PM (P)

Yeah, and I think the cap'n strode right by the doc and Bucket on his way from his bunk to the cargo bay, and we didn't even see him.

Heehee

Unless there are two passageways. I should look at the floor plan again.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:07 PM (P)

I'm in the process of making up Defiant-specific Firefly Deckplans as we speak.

Those who have seen the Oberon's plans will recognize a lot of it, but we've made changes based on Defiant's specifications.


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Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:41 AM (P)

It'll be awesome. I've been sorta looking over her shoulder as she works and I'm happy so far.

It's not exactly the same as Oberon, we're making sure to keep it unique. The layout is basically an 03 Model Firefly with the typical variance and changes you'd expect from a half-century old ship.

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Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:19 AM (P)

I posteded.

Weak post but I didn't feel like writing too much. I think I'm coming down with a cold. How the hell I caught one in the middle of summer is beyond me.

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Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:52 AM (P)

There's alot of stuff on my mind atm, and I'm having problems scrounging a post together. Shade, if you get really bored of waiting go ahead and write Nathan. Sorry guys.



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Friday, July 31, 2009 2:18 PM (P)

Guys, please point out anything wrong with my post. I promised Lincoln I'd write one but I'm still pretty distracted with Is... err, RL.



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Friday, July 31, 2009 9:16 PM (P)

Eh, no worries dude. We all have Isa... I mean RL issues! lol

Well people? You wanted off the damned Skyplex, you wanted to know what I've been trying desperately NOT to tell some of you... well let's get to work!

My post will be up tonight, I posted last before Nathan so I'll give someone else a chance to post the first reaction post. Just remember to not like take command and write the ship leaving immediately, stuffs happening and everyone should have a chance to react.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 10:56 PM (P)

ok, if I understood his post correctly, a bomb went off, and fairly close to the Defiant, yes?

Close enough for Nathan to somehow be hurt and knocked down (and therefore, anyone else close to him, as well)?

I'm guessing the ship's not damaged, although, if it were close enough to hurt Nathan in the airlock, it'd have to be pretty damn close...

I just have to check my facts so I can post. I know it drives some GMs crazy, but if I don't check to make sure, I post really weird.


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Friday, July 31, 2009 11:10 PM (P)

Don't think about it in terms of an explosion planetside. This was in a pressurized space station. The pressure and energy generated by such an explosion would spread through the entire skyplex, not having anywhere else to go. If you didn't die in the blast or slam into something else, you hit the floor.. hard.

That said, yes it was close and yes the ship is obviously (functionally) undamaged. Or would you all want to stay on the now horribly damaged Skyplex for a few months(Game Time, remember we've only done a few hours so far)... or die when it decompresses...

Remember no one is dead or seriously injured unless they or Defiant says they are. All hell is breaking loose, how would your character react?


Also, Defiant? That was a bit more graphic than I expected. Well done, that type of thing is typically not easy to write, especially when distracted and not at your best.

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Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:39 AM (P)

Whoa sheeeet.
THATS SO COOL!
Gagh, this is gonna be interesting.
And here I'd figured Dale'd was about to embark on another humourous fluffy side-trip.
Dayem!
Question to the management (and scholarly types) How does the artificial gravity system react to these kinda things??

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Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:59 AM (P)

I'm guessing not well... thanks for the idea too. :D...

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Saturday, August 1, 2009 4:07 AM (P)

nice.
Well, I just posted, and its only up to the moment of impact- but I figured I was slightly behind the happenings and needed a catch-up.
Also, I needed to check-
Are both the cargo-bay doors (outer and inner) closed?
Do we have a fortuitous cargo of soft-feather beds-
(or anything of similar effect) or will I be going with bumps, bruises and breaks when Dale gets flung over the stairway's hand rail?

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Saturday, August 1, 2009 6:28 AM (P)

Plastic crates could be a more ideal landing zone than the hard cold deck plates.

Also lets avoid the loss of gravity for now. Captain doesn't like the idea and this can get confusing enough without tossing other stuff into the mix. Right now apparently the station has power to lights and critical systems, for now.

Good luck posting.

If you need help feel free to contact me at l DOT bargara AT gmail DOT com I'll always help with technical issues you have, few people know Fireflies better than I do and that's not bragging. Also leaving messages in the chat is a good idea too, I'll try to remember to check there tomorrow.

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Monday, August 3, 2009 11:55 PM (P)

Great post Ava.

Lets get this going again. Post people POST!

:D

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:13 AM (P)

POST MOAR FASTER!

And because everyone should know the awesomeness of this

www. youtube. com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 (except without the spaces and all lol)

MOAR DOTS!

Above video does have profanity, so if you be at work or sensitive to the ears, do not clicky with loud volume

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:05 AM (P)

I just completed the most stressful couple of work weeks I've had in 14 years!

:(

Have pity, have mercy. I can't post right now.

My problem, as far as posting, is that I often only have a unexpected and sudden window of time open up where I can do some writing. I can usually find time once a week, but not lately.

This doesn't leave me a lot of time to ask a question here, wait a day or so for an answer, and then get to my post. I just don't have that much free time.

I haven't yet read the latest IC scenes, so if you're needing something from the doc, maybe Dale can cover. Maybe Jackie got knocked out by the blast? (I know there was a blast because I read it above, here in the OOC thread.)

Sorry!

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:09 PM (P)

ok. So I know my post wasnt anything pretty- but I figured somebody needed to close the door. That and peeps were naggin for posts.
Celestia-
No trouble. I can easily find you out cold with a bump on your head if circumstance requires. No pressure for you to post before your ready to. I must say however, that the speed at which the thread moves probably means that the Doc wont be interrupted or found before you're available.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:50 PM (P)

You both have mentioned posting in a very negative manner and that's not what it is at all. The thing about PbP RP is that we all have to rely on each other. We aren't writing a single story where if you don't feel like posting, no one is affected, or if it's one on one, you just have that other person to contend with, and if you feel like pausing for a bit, there's no problem with just picking it back up where you left off.

I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular, or say that I'm right you're wrong, but if we're having this much trouble keeping up with how posting is going now, I'm worried to see what happens when we are actually in the air and settled.

Even if you can't come up with a post right away, say something in the OOC thread so that we know what's going on. There's so much OOC chatter on the Oberon talking about why we may not be able to post because of RL circumstances, and about why we posted this that way, or what we're hoping to convey. You can't see the backstage chatter unless you're part of that particular ship, but I promise you it's there. Obie's is at least twenty pages long.

Nevertheless, I'm not trying to bash on anyone, or upset anyone, I'm just trying to put into perspective that once we get to flying, things are going to be moving a lot quicker and we won't have to rely on the GM as much. Our characters will be interacting freely with one another, unless there's some magical way to avoid everyone on the spaceship that I don't know about =P

Furthermore, as much as the GM is the "leader" and the one to push the story along, we all are a part of this and all have to take into consideration that our posts and actions IC help this story be what it is and move along in a timely fashion.

<3

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:17 AM (P)

Wow, look at Ava with all the good points. You sound like such an old pro - I'm so proud lol :)

Just wanted to point out Shade was still outside (I hadn't figured what to do, should have realized GO INSIDE was the obvious answer - was going to help the captain, but he's inside already so no point) anyhow, I edited my last post to amp up the damage from the explosion AND to move myself inside.

I'm not getting left behind because of being overlooked. That's stupid.

Anyhow, Ava's right about a lot of things. One of the things I ask people before they join the Oberon is if they are SURE they want to commit to something like this. It CAN take a lot of time and effort at times. At the same time, if people know what is going on with you out of character, know that you're on vacation, or working overtime, or babysitting your cousin's octuplets - whatever it is, if the others know you a little better, they can help work around or with you to help you out more.

Another thing - I've been encouraged twice, I believe, to post for another character. I can't do that. I dont' KNOW them. Now, the problem there is if you're more vocal in general, and I get to know YOU, I'll have a WAY better chance of having SOME idea what your character might do, even if you haven't had the chance to post enough to let me get to know the character.

OOC chatter is SO important. We chat about ourselves, about life, about what we want to do, what we're planning for our posts, even funny ideas we had for incidents or reactions.

Having our backstage chatter available ONLY to us means readers never get plot spoilers. We treat our stories like a TV show - we don't even call it a play by post, but a Writing Collaborative. We plan a lot, but only in the general sense, as in establishing what point a is and what point b is, all the way through to the end of the current plot. What is actually posted is the meat, the details, that fill in that journey from a to b to the end.

Now, having said all this, I do believe that Defiant is run more like an old Tabletop RPG. The "roleplaying" comes in somewhat aecondary to the "game" part. That means he's looking more for your reactions to things that happen, than how you feel about what happened. He's looking to see what you DO, what choices you make. Not read reams on your internal conflicts and motivations.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be included - that's what makes it fun to both read and write these things. So - don't leave it out, but be aware that what you do will have consequences that he's not going to cooperate with you to "work through". If you make a mistake, you might pay for it.

That said, I think we all know if he does something to completely kick you out of the game, he's got to be careful, or he will get rid of all his players, and a GM without players is a sad, boring thing! LOL!! So, you may have to pay, but if you're smart about it, you'll find a way to survive.

I hope that helps too. I went into this expecting something more like the Oberon, where we have more of a plan, and the writers are all as in control of what happens as I am - not pawns controlled by me, but equals in the sense that they know everything that's planned, to a certain extent, and they had a hand in planning it.

Doesn't make Oberon better, just to say, cuz it's just DIFFERENT. I miss my tabletop days. Knowing this is more like that sort of environemtn - even if Defiant is rather absent, he's our GM, and we're just players, so we've got to watch each other's backs, and we can do that by talking to each other a little more!

ok, now I think I'm rambling. ANyhow. just in case, don't nobody take any of this as wrong, as far as, it's just me talking, putting thoughts out there, and stating things as I understand them. I'm making an attempt to have a conversation, not attacking or complaining, or anything ELSE. Just talking. I hate how you can't see that I'm smiling, or hear that some of this is amusing, you only have my words on the screen, and i know people have a bad habit o

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:56 AM (P)

whoa. chillo folks. I understand your helpfull comments were ambiguous and for general use-
but i definitely feel like im a targeted piece of ambiguous.
All i meant to say in my previous post is-
iz all goood bra.
No time hassles- you'r covered- and you probably dont even need to be.
[there was no intention of any slur on the game-speed, only an emotionless estimation]

As for using OOC threads more-
well, it sure sounds good. But until we start using the entire crew (or at least more than two people!) in a single conflict, action sequence or even just a chaotic conversation, Im not sure we fully need it yet.
Also, if we commit more time to posting on the OOC regarding in character posts, awaiting replies on it, responding back and awaiting their second reply(s) before you even post in the in-character thread-
You could very well add a week or more to the time gap between in-character posts.
But, as I mentioned earlier-
for multi-character actions/fights/arguments (with interruptions! :) !)
Yeah- OOC will be mighty handy.
Cheerio

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:11 AM (P)

not so much saying anyone has to post more - I was just pointing out chatting more amongst ourselves leads to a closer-knit, more productive group :P

I rambled a LOT... brain just kept working.


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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:20 AM (P)

Out of character chatter is not a requirement, nor is it necessary for moving the IC forum further, but the entire point is to get to know people better, so that we're more like a family rather than just posting for a character. We have our characters, and each other.

And in regards to feeling targeted, yes, the argument was brought up in regards partially to what you said, but in no way was meant to target you personally, just the subject you mentioned.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:03 AM (P)

Why you guys bring up some interesting points.

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Now, having said all this, I do believe that Defiant is run more like an old Tabletop RPG. The "roleplaying" comes in somewhat aecondary to the "game" part. That means he's looking more for your reactions to things that happen, than how you feel about what happened. He's looking to see what you DO, what choices you make. Not read reams on your internal conflicts and motivations. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be included - that's what makes it fun to both read and write these things. So - don't leave it out, but be aware that what you do will have consequences that he's not going to cooperate with you to "work through". If you make a mistake, you might pay for it.


You pretty much highlighted what it is that's always intrigued me about this particular RP, the fact that it's mainly reaction-driven. If you screw up, you will suffer the consequences. It's up to you to dig your way out of whatever predicament your character stumbles into, the GM is not going out of his way to make it easier for you. I think it's a beautiful thing. I did the whole "collaborative writing" trip once, twice, thrice, and I find that it makes for a lesser RP experience in that it robs me of my ability to react. Planning the plot ahead amongst ourselves and adding in the meat as we post becomes more of a writing exercise than a game, and that, to put it bluntly, simply fails to keep me interested.

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Another thing - I've been encouraged twice, I believe, to post for another character. I can't do that. I dont' KNOW them.


I am completely with you there. I don't post for characters other than mines, and I certainly don't expect other players to roleplay my characters. While I can appreciate that godmodding might ultimately prove a necessary evil to keep the RP going in instances such as when a player completely falls off the map, I prefer to leave it to the GM(s).

Finally, on the topic of OOC talkity talk, I see where you guys are coming from, but remember that some people just aren't into that sort of thing. Me, I'm all for mass communication, staying up until 2AM chatting, making friends out of my fellow players, all that good stuff. But I recognize that some people might not be as eager as I. I don't think it's so much an issue of us "not needing it" at the moment as it is of us not quite being there as a group. Some RP groups just hit it off straight away, others, well, don't. It doesn't mean the RP is guaranteed to flop, it's just gonna function differently.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:37 AM (P)

Again, not saying anyone HAS to - I just want to make sure they['ve considered the benefits of it. Until Oberon, the only reason I knew people in the RPGs I was in was usually only because they were sitting across the table from me, face to face.

I don't care if they do or not - but I know I like the benefits of it myself, so I want to make sure they know what they're missing lol.

And yeah - I totally see what you mean about the difference in reactionary and collaborative RP. I've done reactionary to death in tabletop. In play by post, I prefer the other, mainly because, without Dice, let's be honest - we're all godmoding ourselves to a certain extent. No dice, no stats, no clear line of failure. In a play by post, it's even worse, because it's arbitrarily up to a GM, who could decide to screw you if he's in a bad mood, whereas, the dice don't HAVE moods. If he doesn't like you're plan of action, he can decide to just leave you behind, or worse. And in some games, you don't even have the OPTION of fixing things - you're DONE. So I'm more for dice or collaborative, not something in between. That said, I'm not AGAINST it either, and lookie, I'm still here, so obviously I'm willing to play it lol.

Sometimes, I just like to know something was said - just so that the words were heard, and the other person's brain can process them. I don't want any particular reaction, I just want to know they thought about it. My players know I will sometimes do this - post something just to make them think about it. NO changes requested, no orders given, just a subject I want to know they thought about. I think it's good for people to think :)


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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:18 AM (P)

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Originally posted by Shadesiren:
I do believe that Defiant is run more like an old Tabletop RPG. The "roleplaying" comes in somewhat aecondary to the "game" part. That means he's looking more for your reactions to things that happen, than how you feel about what happened. He's looking to see what you DO, what choices you make. Not read reams on your internal conflicts and motivations.



This is exactly what was set out for when I found the idea of the Defiant, and a vision shared when I conscripted Lincoln to the scene. Like AP has also stated, the collaborative writing never washed right with me. I’ve done a couple of them, and many with AP himself. However, I never could have foreseen the mountain of stuff in my life right now. Thus, I have become increasingly more absent from the Defiant and this has had a negative effect on the role play. Thus, me and Lincoln have come to the following decision:

Lincoln is your new GM. Nathan will be written off in the near future (which was previously planned anyway, which is why his write up was so ambiguous) and Lincoln will probably take captain. While I will still play a part in this role play and the decision made for the direction it goes in, I simply have to stand back.





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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:24 PM (P)

what?? My beloved despised captain?!? Who will Dale smirk at now?? I was only just discovering Dale's mix of jealousy, righteous moral dislike and logically held (if not felt) respect for him!!

Sorry to hear you're being taken away from us mate.
Im glad its not a complete withdrawal.
If Nathans character is being withdrawn, will you be playing villains and randoms? or is the old guy we brought on-board an interesting character, not just a dead body in waiting??
Hmm.
I really am sorry to see you have to step back
BUT the possibilities you've just opened up are endless! I feel guilty for being excited now too..

final note- I really like the way you've set this RPG up. Describing it would repeat everyone else, so-
kudos to your fine work.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:47 PM (P)

O man, where do I start?

When I signed on with The Defiant, there was a statement somewhere that we would post at least once a week. This was an important consideration for me because that's about as often as I will be willing to participate.

Lincoln, congrats on your promotion to new GM. Defiant, I'm sorry to see you go, but I completely understand. I hope everything smooths out for you soon.

As the new GM, Lincoln, I will abide by your rules, guidelines, advice, and suggestions. It feels like there is a new dynamic here that's trying to change things. As it's a fairly new game, I'm sure we'll change, evolve, and grow, but if the changes don't work with my lifestyle, well... then they won't.

I'd love to spend hours on here every day, but my life is too full to allow for that. RPG participation is a hobby, a source of pleasure from the daily-daily. This is not the only RPG I'm involved in. Plus, I write fiction on my own.

I don't talk about my other RPGs here because this is The Defiant. Each RP has a character and personality and style of its own and I don't see the need to make comparisons.

I generally won't be reading the posts or writing as my character, even a sentence or two, more than once a week. If there are going to be pages and pages of posts to read every week in both the OoC and the IC threads, then I'll have to leave, too, because I don't want to participate in that kind of RPG.

I've been writing in RPs for years and have made good friends through them, and I didn't do it by chatting with them every day. The best friendships form over time and at their own pace.

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Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:02 AM (P)

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Originally posted by Celestia:
This was an important consideration for me because that's about as often as I will be willing to participate.



Aye, this was my problem near the end. Due to the Defiant picking up speed, posting once a week (which was all I could possibly do) was simply TOO slow for it.



Lincolnz: Buttle... to duel with ones buttocks

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Thursday, August 6, 2009 4:50 PM (P)

Sorry for not posting for so long - real life interfering.

But... FOR THE LOVE OF EXPLOSIVES!

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Thursday, August 6, 2009 5:58 PM (P)

Signing out, everyone.

The changes in the guidelines and in RL make it impossible for me to continue.

It's been great getting to know you all -- Defiant, Lincoln, Bucket, ElPagan, and YinYang. Nice chatting with you guys and with Moe on Chatzy.

Good luck to the rest of you that I didn't get a chance to know better.

Have a great RP! I'm sure it'll be one of the best.

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Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:42 PM (P)

Farewell Celestia. Wish it could have turned out better but we all tried. You'll be missed.

Dale's acting medic again now so brush up on your treatments for broken ribs, limbs and faces...

I am very proud of the last posts by Bucket, Dale and Mei. You guys did awesome and it gives me new hope that this RP won't fade away.

I'll post IC sometime soon(in a few hours I hope) so everyone sit tight. I apologize for not posting sooner, I've been a bit overwhelmed with taking over GM duties. I've done it before, however briefly, so I know I can do it again. I've got all of you to lean on and help me out, so together we'll keep this going on towards better days for the crew and ship.

We're about to be boarded and rounded up by the Alliance, their ship isn't the biggest, or the best, but they are a hell of a lot bigger than us and have some big guns to boot. The space around us is crazy, others who can are trying to escape, debris is everywhere. Let's get cracking and tell some good stories.

I'll be announcing something very important and major to the future of the RP in the next couple days sometime. Don't worry, it will change some things but we as a crew, the rules and the story will remain the same. Hopefully the only change will be for the better.


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