Thank you, Barney Frank!
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I told you your bias was showing, Admiral, and then that you were repeating a racist talking point and you come back with, "So dismiss me as a racist." No, honestly, I see you as the flunky of racists, perhaps a de facto racist 'cause you don't understand the origin and purpose of your guff, which is even sadder.
You don't understand what you read, Admiral--you exploit it. You gather up some prejudicial b.s. inferred from my post and smugly warn me not to underestimate you. Now that is funny. Expecting simple reading comprehension is overestimating you.
So, you dismiss your own libelous remarks about the President, defend them not at all, expecting me to do the same, and proceed to your first, however vaguely, substantive generalizations about actual policy.Quote:You think that one up all by yourself? You want a cookie?
Obama strikes me as the sort of politician who feels that money and government can solve all problems.
I think that they just cause new ones.
It doesn't work like that. You don't come in here being a jackass, polluting the forum with your dad's hand-me-down talking points, then expect people to take you seriously when you realize that your b.s. doesn't fly.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Your towering intellect is awesome .
I bow to your superiority .
( I still stand by my assertion that throwing away money and growing an already obese government is not the way out of the current mess we are living with )
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
It doesn't work like that. You don't come in here being a jackass, polluting the forum with your dad's hand-me-down talking points, then expect people to take you seriously when you realize that your b.s. doesn't fly.
What's wrong HK, someone steal your cookie?
How is offering a different view point being a jackass?
And if this same Poster was railing on about the big bad Bush, would your response have been different? You might want to think long and hard about that one before you post your response though, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Hmm, Let's see...
In no particular order, just random stuff off the top of my head.
Patriot act, NOT sunsetted, and radically expanded, check.
We WERE torturing people, check.
No WMDs, and our so-called investigations were a ruse to make sure the victim was defenseless as possible before we invaded, which we were gonna do no matter what, check.
Taser abuse would become widespread, check.
Osama is almost certainly dead since Dec 2001, check.
Wholesale dragnet surveillence, a claim might I remind you was laughed off at the time, check.
Abusive conduct by our Alphabet goons, check.
Blackwater malfeasance, check.
Democrats rolling over like bitches the instant they got a majority, check.
Active duty troops deployed here with crowd control packages, check.
ADS Pain Beam *NEVER* intended for theatre deployment, *ALWAYS* intended for citizen pacification, check.
Neocon Cabal members heading for the hills, often other countries, check.
Doesn't include satellite/non political stuff, like the FLDS and Gardasil fiascos, which I called chapter and verse all the way down the line either.
Oh yeah, and this administration not stopping the abuses cause they didn't wanna cut the leash so much as just change who was holding it, check.
You might have noticed a pattern here, of said predictions falling in the 85-90% range if you've been watching, some of which was admittedly by "cheating" via having information or hints thereof not commonly available by mainstream sources at the time.
Dunno about you, but thems betting odds to me.
A prediction is to call something before it happens. That is the meaning I took from your original self-aggrandizing post. Hell, even I can predict that if a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car, bad things could happen.
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Originally posted by whozit:
Thank you Barney Frank? Why, he's scum. Are you libs proud to have Frank in your fold? You can have that FAGGOT! Yes I yelled FAGGOT! You libs can keep Frank and all the wierd dirtbags he brings with him......he's all your's.
We'll take him. The Republicans are stuck with you, and millions more just as "smart" as you. Oh, wait - after the last election, and the stampede of people trying to escape the GOP's "big tent" before it collapses around them in flames, maybe I should say they have DOZENS more like you.
Mike
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sure. It's all right there at the bottom of the RWED thread page, under a link that says "Read threads that have been archived."
Go see what you can find while you're looking up "Bush is silly" threads. Run, boy - FETCH!
Gee, Frem, how about you find what I was asking about and I will respond in turn. How does that sound, Frem?
Is it that you can't find any evidence to deny Frem's words, or do your lips just get tired from all that reading?
Mike
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Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:Quote:
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I just think the man is grossly inexperienced for the most important job in the world .
Not unlike the last guy .
What kind of on-the-job training do you recommend for "most important job in the world"? How does one get the experience for that? Is there a "second-most important job in the world" that you get promoted from? How'd that work out for Ford? How'd it work out for HW Bush? Or Gore, for that matter?
Mike
Experience is just that , experience .
Your guy is inexperienced .
Not saying he's not going to do a good job .
I hope he does .
What's good for the USA is generally good for the world .
( as opposed to China or Russia or any other big dog )
"Experience is experience." Experience AT WHAT? Experience at being President? How do you get that experience if you can't get elected because you have no experience? I mean, will it really make you feel better if I say, "Oh, don't worry - he'll do better his second term, because he'll have experience." Of course, by your own words, you WOULD vote for him for a second term, right? After all, at that point he WILL be the most experienced candidate running for the office...
Mike
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
But I want to hear, so fire away, conservative platform you'd actually vote for...
Oh my - a challenge! I'll take that challenge, but it's going to take me a while to nail down all the planks on my platform.
Mike
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Quote:So, I take it take you're against tax laws that favor corporations, allowing them not to pay their fair share? Subsidies and laws written to fatten their profits? Bailouts and rescues to big business?
I still stand by my assertion that throwing away money and growing an already obese government is not the way out of the current mess we are living with
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Quote:BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Hell, even I can predict that if a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car, bad things could happen.
BUT YOU DIDN'T!
YOu couldn't even see there was a problem when the drunk was crashing the car into every solid object he could find!
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Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Thank you Barney Frank? Why, he's scum. Are you libs proud to have Frank in your fold? You can have that FAGGOT! Yes I yelled FAGGOT! You libs can keep Frank and all the wierd dirtbags he brings with him......he's all your's.
To be fair , Mr Franks sexuality is irrelevant to his dubious political maneuvers .
By calling him a faggot you simply invalidate anything else you have to offer on the subject .
And you unmask yourself as a hate filled little man . Perhaps you should look to God and ask for His forgiveness . Or you could just join Fred Phelps at his next demonstration at a military funeral .
Well, thanks for that, Admiral. Sorry you had to be introduced to one of your fellow conservatives in that manner.
Mike
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Originally posted by AdmiralDigby (to HKCavalier):
Your towering intellect is awesome .
I bow to your superiority .
You're learning.
Mike
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Hell, even I can predict that if a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car, bad things could happen.
BUT YOU DIDN'T!
YOu couldn't even see there was a problem when the drunk was crashing the car into every solid object he could find!
But that's only because the evil lib'ruls kept throwing roadblocks in front of him!
Hell, BDN, in this analogy, not only didn't you call it, but Frem did, AND he also told you WHERE the drunk would hit something, and WHAT he would hit.
A "prediction" wouldn't be saying that "bad things *could* happen". A "prediction" would involve saying WHAT was going to happen, HOW it was going to happen, and WHEN. Seems Frem has a very much better track record around here than you, when it comes to predictions.
Weren't you one of the ones who said Bush was going to be remembered as a "great" President? See if you can dig up where you said that, okay?
Mike
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:So, I take it take you're against tax laws that favor corporations, allowing them not to pay their fair share? Subsidies and laws written to fatten their profits? Bailouts and rescues to big business?
I still stand by my assertion that throwing away money and growing an already obese government is not the way out of the current mess we are living with
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Not big on subsidies .
Not big on taxes and even less big on tax evasion .
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:Quote:
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I just think the man is grossly inexperienced for the most important job in the world .
Not unlike the last guy .
What kind of on-the-job training do you recommend for "most important job in the world"? How does one get the experience for that? Is there a "second-most important job in the world" that you get promoted from? How'd that work out for Ford? How'd it work out for HW Bush? Or Gore, for that matter?
Mike
Experience is just that , experience .
Your guy is inexperienced .
Not saying he's not going to do a good job .
I hope he does .
What's good for the USA is generally good for the world .
( as opposed to China or Russia or any other big dog )
"Experience is experience." Experience AT WHAT? Experience at being President? How do you get that experience if you can't get elected because you have no experience? I mean, will it really make you feel better if I say, "Oh, don't worry - he'll do better his second term, because he'll have experience." Of course, by your own words, you WOULD vote for him for a second term, right? After all, at that point he WILL be the most experienced candidate running for the office...
Mike
Like any vocation , there is a chain from start to finish .
A Private gets experience and is promoted to Corporal . A Corporal does likewise and is made a Sergeant .
Same goes for the Officer corps .
Same goes for any vocation .
Mr Obama jumped from junior Senator to the most powerful office in the world .
He's smart , charismatic and orates well .
He's still inexperienced .
I do not envy his task .
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Thank you Barney Frank? Why, he's scum. Are you libs proud to have Frank in your fold? You can have that FAGGOT! Yes I yelled FAGGOT! You libs can keep Frank and all the wierd dirtbags he brings with him......he's all your's.
To be fair , Mr Franks sexuality is irrelevant to his dubious political maneuvers .
By calling him a faggot you simply invalidate anything else you have to offer on the subject .
And you unmask yourself as a hate filled little man . Perhaps you should look to God and ask for His forgiveness . Or you could just join Fred Phelps at his next demonstration at a military funeral .
Well, thanks for that, Admiral. Sorry you had to be introduced to one of your fellow conservatives in that manner.
Mike
But am I a Conservative ?
Up here in Canuckistan I am , but am I by your metre ?
Here's my politics in a nutshell
I'm pro gay marriage
I'm for ending the insanity that is the War on Drugs
I'm pro socialised medicine ( but I also want options . Private options , so that's an idealogical nightmare )
I'm pro separation of Church and State
I'm pro state funded secondary education ( with a stipulation that said beneficiary serves the state - not unlike the Armed Forces )
I'm pro welfare but only as a hand up and not a hand out .
I'm pro Unemployment Insurance but with severe limitations .
I'm "pro" abortion ( as in choice - I have no right to dictate to a woman what she does with her body , however , said woman should not use my tax dollars to pay for serial abortions . Also , I limit my support to the first trimester and medical necessities )
Conservative ?
Now
I am also for the Death Penalty ( Paul Bernardo - why is he availing himself to my air ? )
Very pro military .
( military family - we know what we do and we know why . Not pro war , just pro *winning* the damn war . Not going to fight it through to the end ? Don't go in the first place )
I'm against affirmative action when it is detrimental to the effectiveness of whatever formation it's being applied to ( like firefighters - no lowering aptitude or physical prowess )
I'm for lower taxes from top to bottom .
I'm for less government
I'm against the retarded gun laws my country has imposed on me ( while understanding that a certain amount of regulation is indeed prudent )
I'm pro immigration but anyone coming here has to leave their shit at home . I'm Canadian and I expect new Canadians to respect our culture and laws . Don't like it ? Go back .
I'm against repeat offenders being kicked to the street to commit new crimes . Serve your time .
I'm against the Young Offenders Act ( most people know wrong from right , it's the system that enables these hooligans )
I'm dubious of anthropological climate change and yet am pro conservation and recognise the benefits of not fouling our air , water and soil .
I'm pro capitalism ( small and large with usually obvious mea culpas )
I'm also pro seal hunt ( Nova Scotian - it's our culture )
I'm also pro double spacing as it makes reading easier .
There's more , but that about sums it up .
So , am I liberal or conservative ?
( on the OB I've labeled myself as either liberally conservative or conservatively liberal , which draws charges of fence sitting )
I say I'm simply me .
I expect you'll agree with me sometimes and I know you will disagree other times .
I also expect snark and snide ( at large ) and I will usually reciprocate )
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Don't despair, Admiral - neither Reagan nor Goldwater could get elected as conservatives today; both would be seen as FAR too liberal for the evangelicals who've taken over the conservative movement here in the U.S.
Oh, and as a side order of snark:
Canada has culture?
(Oh, lighten up, ya bunch of hosers up there - if I can make fun of my own country, surely I can poke a little fun at yours, right?)
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't despair, Admiral - neither Reagan nor Goldwater could get elected as conservatives today; both would be seen as FAR too liberal for the evangelicals who've taken over the conservative movement here in the U.S.
Oh, and as a side order of snark:
Canada has culture?
(Oh, lighten up, ya bunch of hosers up there - if I can make fun of my own country, surely I can poke a little fun at yours, right?)
Mike
We have culture .
It involves hockey , beer , strippers , poutine ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine ) and being passively aggressive .
In two "official" languages .
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Oh , and Reagan was a good POTUS .
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GO Digby!! (I know, you hate me; maybe someday that will change...meanwhile I will give you the respect I've always suspected you deserved, so THERE!)
I KNEW we had a lot in common. Aside from the seal hunt (sorry, animal-rights activist, there are a few of us over here) and that I'm still sitting on the fence about the death penalty, and given your caveats, damn, I can't find a thing on which I disagree with you! That's amazing.
Yes, I AM even pro-military, with your caveat--insofar as too many damned politicians want to start one for any reason, then not finish. I love the idea about secondary education. Yes, I agree with you about affirmative action (nobody over there ever ASKED if I thought the firefighter thing was RIGHT, y'know), and I don't know what the Young Offenders Act is (but I can guess, and we might agree there, too). I'm even on the fence about global warming (nobody asked THAT either, just spouted hate-filled rhetoric about Gore's church).
I'm gonna have to save that to remind myself who you are, 'cuz I have no doubt the snarks will ensue. I won't even mind 'em...over here, you're not in a gang; everyone can hold their own.
I say again: Go Digby!
ETA: Ooops, Reagan. There's one. Actors with alzheimers shouldn't be in power. Go for it.
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Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:
Oh , and Reagan was a good POTUS .
You mean for one so inexperienced?
What was it that you found so "good" about him, by the way?
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:
Oh , and Reagan was a good POTUS .
You mean for one so inexperienced?
What was it that you found so "good" about him, by the way?
Mike
Dude ran a sizable state before ascending to a bigger chair .
And while it was more of a matter of circumstance , Ronnie *did* win the Cold War .
( too bad we abandoned Afghanistan in her moment of need )
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Originally posted by Niki2:
GO Digby!! (I know, you hate me; maybe someday that will change...meanwhile I will give you the respect I've always suspected you deserved, so THERE!)
Please , stop ascribing emotions on me .
I do not hate you .
Never have .
Do you annoy me at times ?
Yes .
Not hate babe .
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Oh, pointless partisan infighting. How quaint.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Oh, pointless partisan infighting. How quaint.
Am I pointless or just quaint ?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
You were challenging Frem to refresh your memory on the SERIOUS criticisms about Bush.
No, I was asking Frem to refresh my memory in regards to the predictions of fascist practices by the past administration.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is it that you can't find any evidence to deny Frem's words, or do your lips just get tired from all that reading?
Since when is it incumbent upon me to find evidence to back up Frem's words? And when did you crawl so far up Frem's ass that you can no longer tell where he ends and you begin.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course, by your own words, you WOULD vote for him for a second term, right? After all, at that point he WILL be the most experienced candidate running for the office...
Since when are Canadians allowed to vote for the POTUS?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Hell, even I can predict that if a drunk gets behind the wheel of a car, bad things could happen.
BUT YOU DIDN'T!
YOu couldn't even see there was a problem when the drunk was crashing the car into every solid object he could find!
That's because my attention was drawn to the crazy woman on the street corner yelling "Down with Bush" and "Capitalism is evil"
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hell, BDN, in this analogy, not only didn't you call it, but Frem did, AND he also told you WHERE the drunk would hit something, and WHAT he would hit.
Really now. Don't say you are ascribing your opinions onto others again. Please show me where I disagreed that Frem would not hit that, there, and then. To be quite honest with you, I'm still trying to figure out what he hit. Though I think I can puzzle out the where's and when's roughly.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
A "prediction" wouldn't be saying that "bad things *could* happen". A "prediction" would involve saying WHAT was going to happen, HOW it was going to happen, and WHEN. Seems Frem has a very much better track record around here than you, when it comes to predictions.
I think, Frem thinks, that a prediction is to say that something that has happened before would continue to happen. You think torture only happened under the past administration? You think the "alphabet agencies" only did bad stuff during the past 8 years? You think the government did not surveil the public before Bush?
And I don't think Frem has a better track record around here regarding making predictions. I have made only one to my knowledge and I was right. I'd say 100% is pretty good, no?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weren't you one of the ones who said Bush was going to be remembered as a "great" President?
No.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
See if you can dig up where you said that, okay?
Do your own homework.
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Since when is it incumbent upon me to find evidence to back up Frem's words?
Weren't you the one questioning his accuracy? As you said, "Do your own homework."
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And when did you crawl so far up Frem's ass...
And there you go ascribing your desires to others.
So is agreeing with someone now "crawling up their ass"? Is that your official position on it? How long have you been in Rappy's ass? Or Hero's? Can you tell what they had for breakfast?
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Since when are Canadians allowed to vote for the POTUS?
Comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it? You'll note that I asked him if he "WOULD" vote for Obama (as in, WOULD you vote for him if you could?), not if he "WILL" vote for him. Since he's a Canadian, he obviously can't vote for our President. But it's nice of him to tell us who we should and shouldn't have for our leader. I think I'll take up telling Canadians what kind of health care they should have; I'm sure they'll appreciate that. Their current system is making us look bad. Clearly they'll have to change theirs.
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Since when is it incumbent upon me to find evidence to back up Frem's words?
Weren't you the one questioning his accuracy? As you said, "Do your own homework."
It is incumbent on the person making the claims to back them up when asked, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
And when did you crawl so far up Frem's ass...
And there you go ascribing your desires to others.
So is agreeing with someone now "crawling up their ass"? Is that your official position on it? How long have you been in Rappy's ass? Or Hero's? Can you tell what they had for breakfast?
Just wondering why you keep answering for Frem is all. Your analogy might be more apt if I, in fact, kept answering posts directed at Auraptor or Hero.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Since when are Canadians allowed to vote for the POTUS?
Comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it? You'll note that I asked him if he "WOULD" vote for Obama (as in, WOULD you vote for him if you could?), not if he "WILL" vote for him. Since he's a Canadian, he obviously can't vote for our President.
Nice save.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But it's nice of him to tell us who we should and shouldn't have for our leader.
I don't remember him saying anything of the sort. I believe he was offering an opinion about the POTUS, both past and present. Now why don't you respond in kind regarding past and present Prime Ministers of Canada. This should be good.
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Quote:You took the bait.
You were challenging Frem to refresh your memory on the SERIOUS criticisms about Bush.-SIGNY
No, I was asking Frem to refresh my memory in regards to the predictions of fascist practices by the past administration.-bdn
Okay, so then why the CLUMSY attempt at re-direction???
Quote:This wasn't about silliness. Never was. And, I noticed, that you never DID answer Frem's list of predictions... The basis of which was: Whatever illegal act Bush does now which you support will be used by another President whom you do NOT support. Seems. actually, to be straightforward. But you still haven't gotten it. Hell, you can't even admit when things are goin' seriously wrong AT THE MOMENT.
Signy,You already agreed with me that there was a lot of silliness directed at Bush. Why go back on that now?
Time to remove your blinders, BDN. Wake up an' smell the coffee.
Quote:Oh, BTW... everyone but you sees this as the pathetic attempt that it is to cast YOUR error on Kwicko. You made the same mistake in the other thread about FDLS... www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=39585 constantly misunderstanding me due to your simple FAILURE TO READ ACCURATELY, missing all of the "ifs" and "seems to be" which I had included in my posts to indicate that I had simply not made up my mind either way on the topic. Now, I don't claim to be as smart as Kwicko or as world-wise as Frem, as fact-rich as Rue or as empathetic as HK, but everyone knows that any of them can think circles around you, and it would suit your purposes NOT to try making them look stupid over YOUR mistakes, because it makes you even more irrelevant than you already are. So a word to the wise (if you can deal with it): READ CAREFULLY AND RESPOND DIRECTLY. You'll get into far less trouble that way, and you'll represent your viewpoint a whole lot more effectively. (That's my approach and I'm stickin' to it.)
Nice save.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:You took the bait.
You were challenging Frem to refresh your memory on the SERIOUS criticisms about Bush.-SIGNY
No, I was asking Frem to refresh my memory in regards to the predictions of fascist practices by the past administration.-bdn
Okay, so then why the CLUMSY attempt at re-direction???
What attempt at re-direction. You seem to be confusing two seperate discussions. One I'm having with you about silly attacks on the President and one I'm having with KwickFrem about his predicting ability
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Originally posted by SignyM:
This wasn't about silliness. Never was.
It was, then you adressed it. Now I'm on to a whole other topic.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
And, I noticed, that you never DID answer Frem's list of predictions... The basis of which was: Whatever illegal act Bush does now which you support will be used by another President whom you do NOT support. Seems. actually, to be straightforward. But you still haven't gotten it.
That's a little clearer, I guess. I thought Frem was boasting about how he could see the fascist practices of the Bush administration before they happened. You know, predictions like after Iraq, Iran would be next and so on. I did not realize he was proud of the fact that he puzzled out once a government grabs more power they will not give it up. Frem might as well crow about how he predicted that at the end of the day, the sun sets.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hell, you can't even admit when things are goin' seriously wrong AT THE MOMENT.
And you can't admit that you do not know how to blink. I figure one made up charge is as good as another.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Time to remove your blinders, BDN. Wake up an' smell the coffee.
You mean your particular brand, right?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, BTW... everyone but you sees this as the pathetic attempt that it is to cast YOUR error on Kwicko. You made the same mistake in the other thread about FDLS... constantly misunderstanding me due to your simple FAILURE TO READ ACCURATELY, missing all of the "ifs" and "seems to be" which I had included in my posts to indicate that I had simply not made up my mind either way on the topic.
So you were merely making assumptions in the FLDS thread based off of incomplete research. Not very 'scientisty' of you if you ask me.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Now, I don't claim to be as smart as Kwicko or as world-wise as Frem, as fact-rich as Rue or as empathetic as HK, but everyone knows that any of them can think circles around you, and it would suit your purposes NOT to try making them look stupid over YOUR mistakes, because it makes you look even more irrelevant.
You are right. Why engage what I feel to be the more articulate Poster's when I could simply be trolling PN or correcting Whozit's grammar. When does that get fun? Besides, I never really got off on that kind of false sense of superiority.
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So a word to the wise (if you can deal with it): READ CAREFULLY AND RESPOND DIRECTLY. You'll get into far less trouble that way, and you'll represent your viewpoint a whole lot more effectively.
Isn't that the great thing about our society in general. You are free to offer your advice as I am free to completely ignore it.
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Nice save.
It wasn't a "save" - I wrote what I meant. That you were unable or unwilling to comprehend it as I wrote it is your bad, not mine.
Or were you willingly distorting and misunderstanding my intention in hopes of trying to score a couple cheap points in an argument you're clearly outmatched in?
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It is incumbent on the person making the claims to back them up when asked, IMHO.
Well, in that case, Frem's already done that. If you're claiming that he DIDN'T lay the stuff out chapter and verse, then isn't it incumbent ON YOU to back up your claim, and show us all where he got it so horribly wrong?
As you said, do your own homework. Make your case, or admit that you have none.
As for why I responded instead of Frem, well, maybe it's because something about you just rubs me the wrong way. Know what I mean?
Also, I was under the impression that when you post on an open forum, you open your posts up for responses from all comers. If you wanted to speak ONLY to Frem, maybe you should try PMing him.
Oh, look - here's a post with YOU responding to a question I'd asked directly of Wulfie:
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And since when do you consider standing up for your rights "going all ghetto"? I thought you were a fan of standing up for one's rights! I guess that view changes when it's black folk doing it, eh?
I'm a fan of not mentioning the Officer's Mother.
So how far up Wulf's ass ARE you, anyway?
Mike
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Besides, I never really got off on that kind of false sense of superiority.
RRRRREEEEEAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY...
So you weren't trying for that "false sense of superiority" when you made this quip?
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Of course, by your own words, you WOULD vote for him for a second term, right? After all, at that point he WILL be the most experienced candidate running for the office...
Since when are Canadians allowed to vote for the POTUS?
That wasn't you going for a false sense of superiority, assuming I hadn't gleaned that Digby is a Canadian?
And when I pointed that out, your response?
"Nice save
"Again, seems like you're desperate for a "false sense of superiority".
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Why engage what I feel to be the more articulate Poster's when I could simply be trolling PN or correcting Whozit's grammar. When does that get fun?
Ah, so when you point out any grammatical errors that I might make, that's just you angling for a false sense of superiority again, right? So it's not that you don't enjoy a false sense of superiority, it's that you just want to make sure it's your particular brand.
By the way, you misspelled "separate" in your post.
Hey, you'd do the same for me, BigDamnWulfie.
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BDN: Your responses to me in this thread have been wildly off-point, as have your responses to me in the other thread. I responded to the prediction discussion. You, poor thing, were still back at the starting line. Meanwhile I listed a set of MY predictions, in which- yes indeed- I had predicted the whole fascist thing. And furthermore, I predict again that the more that comes out about the Bush admin the worse and worse it will look.
Care to respond to that? Do you think that will come true, or not? A yes/no answer is sufficient, and a lot clearer than weasel-wording on your part
I further made the point that even as Bush was busy trampling the Constitution, lying to Congress, spying on US citizens, and hemorrhaging money you didn't object to it.. And if you did, do you care to point out where? Because, really, I can't think of a single instance, but I would be happy to be proven wrong. Just dig up ONE instance where you've criticized the Bush admin for any one of it's unmistakable errors, or made ANY sort of prediction about where his policies would lead.
BTW, an "if-then" statement is not an assumption. I shouldn't have to tell you that.
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And furthermore, I predict again that the more than comes out about the Bush admin the worse and worse it will look.
... and the further and further once-loyal Bushies will run in an effort to distance themselves from the abject failure of his Presidency.
Mike
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
It wasn't a "save" - I wrote what I meant. That you were unable or unwilling to comprehend it as I wrote it is your bad, not mine.
That's the tricky thing about communicating on an internet forum. Sometimes things can get misconstrued as we are missing many of the nuances that help make communication more effective in real life.
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Or were you willingly distorting and misunderstanding my intention in hopes of trying to score a couple cheap points in an argument you're clearly outmatched in?
If I was it must have been subconsciously. Perhaps I have seen other's (you) do it and somehow, unknowingly followed suit.
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Well, in that case, Frem's already done that. If you're claiming that he DIDN'T lay the stuff out chapter and verse, then isn't it incumbent ON YOU to back up your claim, and show us all where he got it so horribly wrong?
I'm still waiting for Frem to show me where he got it right. Not tell me after the fact.
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As you said, do your own homework. Make your case, or admit that you have none.
Oh I admit that YOU have none.
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As for why I responded instead of Frem, well, maybe it's because something about you just rubs me the wrong way. Know what I mean?
Oh I most certainly do. You do not like it when the mailman bites back.
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Also, I was under the impression that when you post on an open forum, you open your posts up for responses from all comers. If you wanted to speak ONLY to Frem, maybe you should try PMing him.
You are right, this is an open forum. You can answer a question directed at Frem and I can hassle you over it. Besides, it makes me ponder that somehow you think Frem needs your assistance in debating the big, bad BDN.
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Oh, look - here's a post with YOU responding to a question I'd asked directly of Wulfie:Quote:
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Originally posted by Kwicko (to Wulfenstar):
And since when do you consider standing up for your rights "going all ghetto"? I thought you were a fan of standing up for one's rights! I guess that view changes when it's black folk doing it, eh?
I'm a fan of not mentioning the Officer's Mother.
So how far up Wulf's ass ARE you, anyway?]
Nice job of doin' your homework.
Ever see me lavish praise on Wulf like you do on Frem?
I do like to enter the water when the 'blue' sharks are circling the Wulf though. Or any other Poster who has the temerity to go against the prevailing flow of this place for that matter.
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Quote:Ah, so you DO base your responses on ideology (blue v red) not whether something is true or false, supported by evidence or fabricated?
I do like to enter the water when the 'blue' sharks are circling the Wulf though.
I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
RRRRREEEEEAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY...
So you weren't trying for that "false sense of superiority" when you made this quip?
Since when are Canadians allowed to vote for the POTUS?
That wasn't you going for a false sense of superiority, assuming I hadn't gleaned that Digby is a Canadian?
Nope, just not sure if you had picked that up or not.
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And when I pointed that out, your response?
"Nice save
Again, seems like you're desperate for a "false sense of superiority".
Please explain false to me in your words.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah, so when you point out any grammatical errors that I might make, that's just you angling for a false sense of superiority again, right? So it's not that you don't enjoy a false sense of superiority, it's that you just want to make sure it's your particular brand.
Again, what is all of this false stuff. How many times do I have to explain to you that you seem to only have an issue with certain Posters grammar. You will rip Finn all day about his typos but let other's like Storymark go with a free pass. So don't play the "I'm trying to make people better communicators" card. Seems like more of a partisan issue to me than a lack of understanding issue.
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By the way, you misspelled "separate" in your post.
Cool. Now go through every other post in this thread and prove how impartial you are.
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I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
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Cool. Now go through every other post in this thread and prove how impartial you are.
Right after you prove how impartial YOU are. Good luck with that.
Do I really have to go through EVERY post, or can I just start with yours? That should keep me busy for quite a while. You tend to misuse your "apostrophe-s" an awful lot, referring to multiple posters as "other's" when you're not trying to imply ownership.
By the way, you freely admit your partisanship - only coming around when "the blue sharks" are circling - yet you seem to want the rest of us to be nonpartisan. Does that seem right to you? I've never seen one single instance of you pointing out the errors of those on YOUR side of the argument. Why is that, do you think? Shouldn't you be proving to us all how impartial you are?
Mike
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Ah, so you DO base your responses on ideology (blue v red) not whether something is true or false, supported by evidence or fabricated?
I do like to enter the water when the 'blue' sharks are circling the Wulf though.
No, I just don't like gangs of bullies. Explain to me why you 'blue' Posters feel the need to parrot each others posts? I compare it to the guy who presses the elevator button even though it is already lit up. Kind of like something is not done until "I" do it.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
Why, you seem to be doing a bang up job of criticizing all by yourself.
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Kwicko- Indeed.
BDN: I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
I would appreciate if you could wait more than two seconds before adding another needless post to an ever growing thread that you will lament for it's slow loading time no doubt.
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Mike,
I'd like to thank you for starting a pit of hell thread. The forum always needs one around just to swallow the partisan bickering, and keep it away from everyone else. Judos. I mean Kudos.
Admiral, should you ever return, you can't possibly be "quaint" as something would have to be outdated to be quaint, and you are a n00b.
No offense, I would have to care to give offense, I would nuke such threads if they didn't perform such a wonderful function and benefit society by sucking in all the BS that might get posted elsewhere where people were trying to have a civilized conversation, even if they do push people to the point where (reference omitted here.)
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves in some necroposted threads of earlier this year...
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Right after you prove how impartial YOU are. Good luck with that.
Never said I was impartial. Can you make the same claim regarding the targets of your grammar finger waggings?
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Do I really have to go through EVERY post, or can I just start with yours? That should keep me busy for quite a while. You tend to misuse your "apostrophe-s" an awful lot, referring to multiple posters as "other's" when you're not trying to imply ownership.
Check. We already know your tactics for Posters who disagree with you. Now show us all how you can point out errors in the posts of those you agree with and we're onto something.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
By the way, you freely admit your partisanship - only coming around when "the blue sharks" are circling - yet you seem to want the rest of us to be nonpartisan. Does that seem right to you? I've never seen one single instance of you pointing out the errors of those on YOUR side of the argument. Why is that, do you think? Shouldn't you be proving to us all how impartial you are?
Please see my response to Signy regarding this matter.
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Well BDN, as I had originally posted my request yesterday (Yesterday? Maybe the day before.) I was under the impression you were avoiding answering.
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Actually, you have asked me about it twice today.
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And brought it up yesterday as well.
Anyway I have to go. TTUL.
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Right after you prove how impartial YOU are. Good luck with that.
Never said I was impartial. Can you make the same claim regarding the targets of your grammar finger waggings?
Can I claim that I never said I was impartial? Why yes, I think I can make that claim. Since you dispute it, can you provide us all with some evidence?
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Do I really have to go through EVERY post, or can I just start with yours? That should keep me busy for quite a while. You tend to misuse your "apostrophe-s" an awful lot, referring to multiple posters as "other's" when you're not trying to imply ownership.
Check. We already know your tactics for Posters who disagree with you. Now show us all how you can point out errors in the posts of those you agree with and we're onto something.
Actually, it's something I tend to reserve for posters (no need to capitalize that, really) who try to insinuate that they're smarter, in an effort to imbue themselves with a false sense of security.
So, since we already know your tactics for posters who disagree with you, why don't you show us all how you can point out errors in the posts of those you agree with?
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By the way, you freely admit your partisanship - only coming around when "the blue sharks" are circling - yet you seem to want the rest of us to be nonpartisan. Does that seem right to you? I've never seen one single instance of you pointing out the errors of those on YOUR side of the argument. Why is that, do you think? Shouldn't you be proving to us all how impartial you are?
Please see my response to Signy regarding this matter.
So you gang up with others because you don't like it when others "gang up"? How very... ironical of you.
Mike
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I'd like to thank you for starting a pit of hell thread. The forum always needs one around just to swallow the partisan bickering, and keep it away from everyone else. Judos. I mean Kudos.
Glad to be of service.
Mike
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So you gang up with others because you don't like it when others "gang up"? How very... ironical of you.
How very fabricated of you.
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"... when I could simply be trolling ..."
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"I do like to enter the water when the 'blue' sharks are circling the Wulf though. Or any other Poster who has the temerity to go against the prevailing flow of this place for that matter."
So where were you when I was criticizing Bush and 90% of people thought he was a hero ?
Oh that's right - you were joining the name-calling team. Remember those words ? Unpatriotic. Terrorist-supporter. Terrorist-lover. Remember ?
BTW - no I don't expect you to have an actual, rational, factual reply. Though I think I've made my point about you - that you lie, that you troll, that in your partisan hatred you know no level below which you will not stoop - to any thinking, rational person who can read.
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So where were you when I was criticizing Bush and 90% of people thought he was a hero ?
Oh that's right - you were joining the name-calling team. Remember those words ? Unpatriotic. Terrorist-supporter. Terrorist-lover. Remember ?
BTW - no I don't expect you to have an actual, rational, factual reply. Though I think I've made my point about you to any thinking, rational person who can read.
Click on my profile and you will see that I joined this site in March of 2006. At that time I believe 90% of people were criticizing Bush and 10% thought he was a hero.
So how was that answer? Factual? Rational?
Do you still think you made your point? To those that can read I mean.
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And yet, you still supported the thugs who did that crap. And that makes you --- what again ? A defender of the little guy ? Hardly. 
You'll back ANYONE, ANYTHING, ANY LEVEL OF HATRED - as long as it's YOUR partisan brand.
And I'm right about you.
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And yet, you still supported the thugs who did that crap. And that makes you --- what again ? A defender of the little guy ? Hardly.
Oh yeah, your whole silence is consent thing.
Tell me Rue, why do you think the moon is made of green cheese? I mean I've never seen you state otherwise.
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You'll back ANYONE, ANYTHING, ANY LEVEL OF HATRED - as long as it's YOUR partisan brand.
And I'm right about you.
Saying that does not make it so.
What if I was to say you'll back anyone, anything, any level of hatred as long as it's your partisan brand. Oh, crap, I think I just proved my "saying it does not make it so" statement wrong.
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Well, let's see:
Wulf -
Not just racist, but an equal opportunity hater of anyone who he thinks got what HE deserved. That would be blacks, women, educated people, liberals, and anyone who didn't come up through HIS neighborhood, is HIS particular time, with HIS particular experience. He blames 'them' for everything wrong with HIS life. He blames 'them' for anything wrong with 'THEIR' lives. He quite insanely thinks 'they' are in control.
He takes all the credit for anything good in his life. And he uses that notion in two conflicting ways: he must be special b/c he got out, and, alternatively, if he could do it, anyone could. And so he blames 'them' for not doing so as well.
And what he has against health care - well, if it was for deserving white men - like himself - I don't think we'd be seeing any objection. No, what HIS STATED objection is that some of it would go to the hated 'them'. And it drives him to such a racist froth he can't contain himself.
That kind of insane rationalizing he's doing is extremely dangerous.
As an analogy - I'm sure OJ Simpson never told himself: I am going to murder my ex in cold blood along with anyone unlucky enough who happens to be there. No, what I'm sure he told himself is: NO man could put up with this. ANY man would feel the same way. It's not FAIR ! that she got famous through me and got my money and a HAPPY LIFE and LEFT ! She was NOBODY before me. She doesn't DESERVE to be happy off of me and without me ! And so on.
So, to get back to Wulfie - what exactly are you siding with ? Racism ? Hatred ? Unhinged and potentially dangerous rationalizations ?
Now, as for your supposed interest in the 'little guy' - where you when I was saying the police should not have tasered the student at a Kerry speech (Sep 17, 2007) ? Did you stand up for the 'little guy' - me - there ? Because my opinion was extremely unpopular.
Did you stand up for me when I was saying the state had a duty to investigate claims made against the FLDS (Apr 19, 2008) ? As I recall my opinion was extremely unpopular.
No, by your history, which you so willingly point to, you show that you are NOT defending the minority no matter who. You are merely defending YOUR partisan collection of hatreds. And you do have many. Just like Wulfie.
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Well, let's see:
Wulf -
Not just racist, but an equal opportunity hater of anyone who he thinks got what HE deserved. That would be blacks, women, educated people, liberals, and anyone who didn't come up through HIS neighborhood, is HIS particular time, with HIS particular experience. He blames 'them' for everything wrong with HIS life. He blames 'them' for anything wrong with 'THEIR' lives. He quite insanely thinks 'they' are in control.
He takes all the credit for anything good in his life. And he uses that notion in two conflicting ways: he must be special b/c he got out, and, alternatively, if he could do it, anyone could. And so he blames 'them' for not doing so as well.
And what he has against health care - well, if it was for deserving white men - like himself - I don't think we'd be seeing any objection. No, what HIS STATED objection is that some of it would go to the hated 'them'. And it drives him to such a racist froth he can't contain himself.
That kind of insane rationalizing he's doing is extremely dangerous.
I think I will let Wulf answer your assumptions regarding his character.
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Originally posted by rue:
As an analogy - I'm sure OJ Simpson never told himself: I am going to murder my ex in cold blood along with anyone unlucky enough who happens to be there. No, what I'm sure he told himself is: NO man could put up with this. ANY man would feel the same way. It's not FAIR ! that she got famous through me and got my money and a HAPPY LIFE and LEFT ! She was NOBODY before me. She doesn't DESERVE to be happy off of me and without me ! And so on.
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And this little interlude was brought to you by the makers of Rue. Rue, the no-sense 'wiperouter' of reason with passion.
Seriously, did you just compare Wulf to O.J.? Why not just call him Hitler or Stalin?
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So, to get back to Wulfie - what exactly are you siding with ? Racism ? Hatred ? Unhinged and potentially dangerous rationalizations ?
No. Just 'siding' with anyone who seems to get you riled up.
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Now, as for your supposed interest in the 'little guy' - where you when I was saying the police should not have tasered the student at a Kerry speech (Sep 17, 2007) ? Did you stand up for the 'little guy' - me - there ? Because my opinion was extremely unpopular.
Be honest Rue. I believe there was a fairly close 50/50 split for and against the tasering of said student. You were in the against camp and I was in the for camp, imagine that.
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Did you stand up for me when I was saying the state had a duty to investigate claims made against the FLDS (Apr 19, 2008) ? As I recall my opinion was extremely unpopular.
As I recall, I believe you and Signy were having a go at Frem in that particular thread. Two against one does not sound like a minority for you at all.
Perhaps your indignation is innocent after all. Perhaps it's your memory, not your ideology that is at the root of your issues.
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No, by your history, which you so willingly point to, you show that you are NOT defending the minority no matter who. You are merely defending YOUR partisan collection of hatreds. And you do have many. Just like Wulfie.
Which is part of being human, IMHO. Tell me Rue, are you human?
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"No. Just 'siding' with anyone who seems to get you riled up."
Now I see - you WERE lying when you posted:
"I do like to enter the water when the 'blue' sharks are circling the Wulf though. Or any other Poster who has the temerity to go against the prevailing flow of this place for that matter."
and
"No, I just don't like gangs of bullies."
Will wonders never cease.
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Kathy,
Chill
I'm not sure who you're trying to compare to OJ Simpson here, but you're devoting your time and energy to:
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Hey Dream,
Why not let people express their feelings and opinions without your peanut gallery observations.
Just because you do not like the partisan bickering does not mean that all here share that same sentiment.
Now off you go to try to re-classify RWED or post a 200 + word post telling others to keep their posts under 200 words.
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Now I see - you WERE lying when you posted:
"I do like to enter the water when the 'blue' sharks are circling the Wulf though. Or any other Poster who has the temerity to go against the prevailing flow of this place for that matter."
and
"No, I just don't like gangs of bullies."
Will wonders never cease.
Ever consider that you are part of the prevailing flow of this place?
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BTW - it would help your argument if you could keep your lies straight.
You first.
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DT
Picture doesn't load on my computer. I'm afraid it's lost on me.
Just talking about how it is people rationalize their attitudes and actions - how OJ might have, how Wulf does. And how such rationalizations can lead to bad places. People generally don't do bad things out of nowhere. They have a story going through their heads about why what they do and how what they feel is right and natural - even righteous.
Specifically, Wulf can't seem to let go of the feeling that 'they' had CONTROL over his life. That having that control over his life meant 'they' MUST also have had control over theirs. That 'they' are to blame for all of his problems, and that 'they' are also to blame for all of theirs. That no good came to him that he did not create himself out of his own efforts. And so on.
This line of thought is easily used to justify much personal evil. I see Wulf is on the wrong track - potentially dangerous to him and others, fueling hate which can lead to violence. I am merely commenting on it, as others have, in an impersonal way.
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BigBM
No one is fooled by you. I have not contradicted myself, insisting I did things for a noble reason and then stupidly admitting to a nasty one.
You lie, and lie and lie. You lie about what you mean. You lie about what you do. You lie about why you are here. You are nothing but a troll. And a stupid one at that. That is what you are. And that is how people see you.
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I'm still waiting for Frem to show me where he got it right. Not tell me after the fact.
Annnnd...
SNAP GOES THE TRAP.
You asked for it, you'll have it.
Relevant portions underlined for emphasis.
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 19:39
"Maybe Chris, maybe...
Had a bit of a dialogue with Dingell this past week, he's not directly my rep but he is my go-to-guy for a defense of 2A Rights often against the wishes of and in contravention of his own party.
One thing we're agreed on is that Obama does not respect the 2A, and we're going to pre-emptively and politically kneecap his ass regarding that fact to prevent him from getting excessively stupid about it.
See, ya gotta take the long view, and with the Rethugs busy engaging in what could be best termed a circular firing squad, that's when it falls to us NOT to breathe a sigh of relief and go home, like so many did when the Dems took a stronger foothold in congress - with the predictable result of them rolling over like bitches the moment we let the pressure off.
Obama has his flaws, and while Biden might be a restraining influence on him, I wouldn't count on that fact alone to prevent the results of those flaws from coming down on our heads.
First, you get the more reasonable, rational guy in office, THEN you make DAMNED SURE that any attempt to overstep himself runs smack into a well formed, pre-existing and rabidly defended roadblock, manned by folks who are tired enough of that shit to not take it from ANY administration.
And that goes for both Conservatives and the kool-aid chuggin RightWingNut horde too...
Cause if yer concerned about Obamas little "plans" you might ponder the fact that we the people don't have to LET him inflict them upon us, and perhaps the best way to avoid that is to push for undoing YOUR blank check that you handed to the executive office in your ignorant fucking stupidity, before he rams it down you throat on a pike like your little pet Shrub did to us.
Kick his ass till it sinks in between his oversized ears that he works for US, not vice versa, use those shrill voices in your own defense, and by that action defend the rights of us all.
In short, pull your fucking weight as americans for once, instead of forcing the rest of us to carry you, unwilling, and you screamed and struggled and demanded a de-facto dictatorship.
And if Obama DOES feed you a hefty helping of the shit sandwich shrub has been feeding us for seven years, you have only yourselves to blame, and don't go expecting much sympathy from me, since your support of a unitary executive enabled that to happen.
In fact... don't expect any fucking sympathy from me at all, because those of you who shouted the loudest in support of tearing down the checks and balances are now running in panicked circles at the thought of the power YOU enabled being aimed at you by a party you disagree with.
But it ain't about sympathy you pissants, and thank your lucky fuckin stars for that - right now it's about self-defense, and if we're gonna get stuck with this guy, the LEAST you can do to atone for your damnfool shortsighted ignorant stupidity is to help rebuild the walls you spent so much effort tearing down.
Or you can run and hide under a rock like your fairhaired boy McCain.
You don't owe me shit, but I think you owe it to yourselves to not let Obama and his plans run over us all.
That's MY bi-partisan call to ya, and if you don't like it, too fuckin bad, you don't HAVE to like it, but if you have any sense left at all, you'll do it.
Get on the horn to your reps and start roadblocking this shit, before he's got a chance to get the ball rolling on it.
-Frem"
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Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 19:47
"I think it's that the big media has simply realized nobody gives a shit.
This one's a no-contest, McCain is draggin around so much party baggage that even a lot of die hard conservative types won't lift a finger, and the blowback hostility directed
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DT ?
I like this one better.
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Seriously, did you just compare Wulf to O.J.? Why not just call him Hitler or Stalin?
Seems the mighty-whitey-righties have those taken right now.
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No. Just 'siding' with anyone who seems to get you riled up.
So if I come out and denounce Al Qaeda, you'll side with them?
I always suspected...
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Be honest Rue. I believe there was a fairly close 50/50 split for and against the tasering of said student. You were in the against camp and I was in the for camp, imagine that.
Seems you're always in favor of cops having a go at peoples' civil rights - unless those people are armed protesters at an Obama appearance, of course.
Mike
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Frem,
I went with the classic. I like to re-iterate the simple lessons of the net just to see how many repetitions it takes the knuckleheads to understand. A moderately intelligent animal is supposed to get it in 5 or less, the smartest, such as humans, in 3. An internet debater, I'll go for more like 12, I think that's a good distance below a french poodle.
You may fear biden, but the people don't, so that's not the game. His popular image is as a buffoon, cheneys popular image was that he ate children.
As per the 2a, so the trap here is that gun toters will make obama so nervous that he will get armed security to keep them out, thus proving their point?
Mike,
We are Al Qaeda.
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But DT ?
Coyote never DOES learn!
That's what makes baiting him so fun!
Meep Meep!
-F
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Evidence would seem to indicate... I suppose you have tried this experiment daily over the last 5 years.
Curiously, an earthworm learns on the 150th repetition, vs. a little yippie dog which takes until the 85th.
Also curiously, the small one, which doesn't embed well, and may not play, plays at a much better frame rate for me. Does anyone else have this issue? I'm on a solid state PC and that may effect things.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
SNAP GOES THE TRAP.
Why always so dramatic? How is it that you feel you somehow trapped me? You made a claim which I found slightly dubious and I asked you for a refresher. You have been kind enough to supply said refresher and for that I commend you. At the very least I kept you occupied for the better part of a day.
My memory is pretty good but not quite so good as yours, apparently. And to be quite honest, I do find some of your posts overly long for my relativly short attention span. I also suppose that I do not spend as much time here as you. So I can postulate that perhaps I missed more than a few of your posts. Not all topics and therefore not all threads interest me as well.
No where did I say that Frem was full of shit. Or Frem does not know what he is talking about.
So once again, What trap did you just snap?
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You asked for it, you'll have it.
Relevant portions underlined for emphasis.
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 19:39
"Maybe Chris, maybe...
Had a bit of a dialogue with Dingell this past week, he's not directly my rep but he is my go-to-guy for a defense of 2A Rights often against the wishes of and in contravention of his own party.
One thing we're agreed on is that Obama does not respect the 2A, and we're going to pre-emptively and politically kneecap his ass regarding that fact to prevent him from getting excessively stupid about it.
See, ya gotta take the long view, and with the Rethugs busy engaging in what could be best termed a circular firing squad, that's when it falls to us NOT to breathe a sigh of relief and go home, like so many did when the Dems took a stronger foothold in congress - with the predictable result of them rolling over like bitches the moment we let the pressure off.
Obama has his flaws, and while Biden might be a restraining influence on him, I wouldn't count on that fact alone to prevent the results of those flaws from coming down on our heads.
First, you get the more reasonable, rational guy in office, THEN you make DAMNED SURE that any attempt to overstep himself runs smack into a well formed, pre-existing and rabidly defended roadblock, manned by folks who are tired enough of that shit to not take it from ANY administration.
And that goes for both Conservatives and the kool-aid chuggin RightWingNut horde too...
Cause if yer concerned about Obamas little "plans" you might ponder the fact that we the people don't have to LET him inflict them upon us, and perhaps the best way to avoid that is to push for undoing YOUR blank check that you handed to the executive office in your ignorant fucking stupidity, before he rams it down you throat on a pike like your little pet Shrub did to us.
Kick his ass till it sinks in between his oversized ears that he works for US, not vice versa, use those shrill voices in your own defense, and by that action defend the rights of us all.
In short, pull your fucking weight as americans for once, instead of forcing the rest of us to carry you, unwilling, and you screamed and struggled and demanded a de-facto dictatorship.
And if Obama DOES feed you a hefty helping of the shit sandwich shrub has been feeding us for seven years, you have only yourselves to blame, and don't go expecting much sympathy from me, since your support of a unitary executive enabled that to happen.
In fact... don't expect any fucking sympathy from me at all, because those of you who shouted the loudest in support of tearing down the checks and balances are now running in panicked circles at the thought of the power YOU enabled being aimed at you by a party you disagree with.
But it ain't about sympathy you pissants, and thank your lucky fuckin stars for that - right now it's about self-defense, and if we're gonna get stuck with this guy, the LEAST you can do to atone for your damnfool shortsighted ignorant stupidity is to help rebuild the walls you spent so much effort tearing down.
Or you can run and h
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike,
I'd like to thank you for starting a pit of hell thread. The forum always needs one around just to swallow the partisan bickering, and keep it away from everyone else. Judos. I mean Kudos.
Admiral, should you ever return, you can't possibly be "quaint" as something would have to be outdated to be quaint, and you are a n00b.
No offense, I would have to care to give offense, I would nuke such threads if they didn't perform such a wonderful function and benefit society by sucking in all the BS that might get posted elsewhere where people were trying to have a civilized conversation, even if they do push people to the point where (reference omitted here.)
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves in some necroposted threads of earlier this year...
I've returned .
We dodged "Bill" today and I'm just off a twelve hour shift at the Sunset Beverage Room so that should explain my tardy response .
( as in late and not "tard" like , although I may still seem "tardy" to you )
And yeah , here , I'm most certainly a n00b .
Not too partisan I hope .
( although I suspect my views shall be interpreted as such when they fail to gibe with conventional thoughts )
All in all , I fail to see how this discussion is in any way shape or form "uncivilised"
( the "Faggot" bomb thrower notwithstanding )
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike,
I'd like to thank you for starting a pit of hell thread. The forum always needs one around just to swallow the partisan bickering, and keep it away from everyone else. Judos. I mean Kudos.
Admiral, should you ever return, you can't possibly be "quaint" as something would have to be outdated to be quaint, and you are a n00b.
No offense, I would have to care to give offense, I would nuke such threads if they didn't perform such a wonderful function and benefit society by sucking in all the BS that might get posted elsewhere where people were trying to have a civilized conversation, even if they do push people to the point where (reference omitted here.)
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves in some necroposted threads of earlier this year...
I've returned .
We dodged "Bill" today and I'm just off a twelve hour shift at the Sunset Beverage Room so that should explain my tardy response .
( as in late and not "tard" like , although I may still seem "tardy" to you )
And yeah , here , I'm most certainly a n00b .
Not too partisan I hope .
( although I suspect my views shall be interpreted as such when they fail to gibe with conventional thoughts )
All in all , I fail to see how this discussion is in any way shape or form "uncivilised"
( the "Faggot" bomb thrower notwithstanding )
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And yet another double post by yours truly .
Perhaps I *am* a "Tardy n00b" ?
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Just because
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Look on the bright side. That means you weren't part of the three day war in January.
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Look on the bright side. That means you weren't part of the three day war in January.
I'm intrigued .
What happened ?
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Blood was spilt
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BDN... MEANWHILE...
Quote:AND, you're avoiding this.
BDN: I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
Stupid troll.
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Why do you make it so easy, BDN ?
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Why always so dramatic?
Cause it's my nature, cause I CAN - remember you're talkin to someone who mocked their removal from city council by showing up dressed as a villain classic here ?
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At the very least I kept you occupied for the better part of a day.
More like an hour, havin lunch and nothin better to do at the moment.
Want some more greatest hits, off the top of my head ?
Under the "if this keeps up, soon enough someone's going to..." file -
Bomb an army recruiter - happened, just off times square, dinnit ?
Revenge bomb a corp they feel screwed them - happened to Paypal, was a door-spring type, as I recall.
Make a desperate and fatal last stand in their foreclosed home rather than hand it over - if memory serves, that one was in texas, eh ?
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My memory is pretty good but not quite so good as yours, apparently. And to be quite honest, I do find some of your posts overly long for my relativly short attention span. I also suppose that I do not spend as much time here as you. So I can postulate that perhaps I missed more than a few of your posts. Not all topics and therefore not all threads interest me as well.
Then perhaps you should allow for that before you open your mouth, just sayin.
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No where did I say that Frem was full of shit. Or Frem does not know what he is talking about.
Of course not, that would require you to stand to it - no, you insinuated it, and now wanna weasel out when the bluff is called.
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So once again, What trap did you just snap?
Baiting you to keep sticking your neck out when I am nearby with metaphorical axe in hand, grinning... like, well... now.
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Do you think Obama is the first president to go against the 2A?
Not at all, but I cited pre-emptive defense of that right, and that he would turn around and rather than repeal the many abuses, use them for HIS agenda, while so many others were going on about 'hope' and 'change' and I didn't buy it for a minute.
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I'll concede that.
You think Obama, and Bush before him, were the only Presidents to strategically pick their VPs? Who was Billy's boy again? Remember Quayle? How about Mondale or Agnew?
The bit in question was actually in reference to McCain getting handed his head, which I not only knew was GOING to happen even before they picked veeps, I was wisely laying plans against further abuses by THIS administration before it even came to be, and reached across the aisle, although not very politely, trying to garner support from those who enabled it as an act of atonement for doing so - and they had none of it, thus my "hiding under a rock" commentary.
There was also knowing that the NeoCons wouldn't be sticking around this country when the threat of prosecution might eventually rear its ugly head.
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I will concede that.
You think government bailouts are new to the past and present administrations?
Not at all, but I knew WHO was gonna get bailed out, and in the case of GM, could even point out WHY (makin shit no one wanted).
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What is all this about cowards on my side showing their true colours? This very thread has been a prime example of my shark analogy. By posing to you a simple query, I was engaged by no less than 3 other posters while waiting on your reply. Could it be the pack mentality?
More like you chumming the waters with your idiocy, although in Kwicko's case he completely had ulterior motives, cause he was all the while setting you up like a pretty white volleyball, knowing DAMN WELL I couldn't resist going for the spike - he won't even deny it.
That ain't premeditated so much as he's an asshole and imma bastard who's primary rule is to always kick someone when they're down.
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Don't really know, I decided to take a pass on lunch. Perhaps your power of memory is intermittent. Do you not remember me stating before that I was not an American citizen?
Then why's it matter to you so much ?
And I will say if you're british yo
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Originally posted by AdmiralDigby:
( the "Faggot" bomb thrower notwithstanding )
Generally it's my job to throw bombs, bein one of them *SARCASM* bomb throwing anarchists *SARCASM* don't ya know...
But cursed if imma take credit for that one, although, come to think of it didn't PN have some rant about a gay bomb, or anti-gay bomb, or somesuch, a while back ?
Yeah, let's blame HIM!
*laugh*
-F
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Posted by Frem:
More like you chumming the waters with your idiocy, although in Kwicko's case he completely had ulterior motives, cause he was all the while setting you up like a pretty white volleyball, knowing DAMN WELL I couldn't resist going for the spike - he won't even deny it.
That ain't premeditated so much as he's an asshole and imma bastard who's primary rule is to always kick someone when they're down.
Could it be? He IS the Quisatz Haderach!
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Remember what I see you as, and realize that the more I raise your hackles, the easier it is to bait you, cause I so WANT to do that, I want to crush your arguments, make you look a fool, destroy any support for your opinions by completely obliterating any credibility you might possess.
Done, done, and DONE. Nice job.
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Ain't about keepin score, it's that I feel a moral duty to verbally scourge anything and anyone that I consider an enabler of tyranny.
Egg-Zachary! My wife asks me why I bother arguing on the internet with people whose opinions I'll never sway. I told her that it's not THEIR opinions I care about - I know I'll never change the minds of those so hidebound in their views, especially by being so confrontational with them. The only people I care about trying to connect with are the ones watching from the sidelines, who haven't quite made up their minds yet. The ones who hear the crap people like Wulf spews and say, "Ya know, he's got a point there..." The people who listen to folks like AntiMason blather on about "Well, the AMA is against healthcare reform, but it's not like THEY know anything..." without also pointing out that the AMA is NOT a think tank, but rather a special interest group, a lobby on behalf of doctors, representing less than 20% of doctors in this country, and hell-bent in increasing the paychecks of its members more than on influencing policies regarding better medical care.
THOSE are the people I want to reach, before it's too late. I think Frem, Rue, Signy, and a host of others feel the same way. We're not going to convince AuRaptor; we're not going to change BDN's mind. But what we CAN do is stomp them into dust before they get a foothold on someone else's views!
Mike
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But cursed if imma take credit for that one, although, come to think of it didn't PN have some rant about a gay bomb, or anti-gay bomb, or somesuch, a while back ?
Sadly, that's one of his LESS-crazy rants, too. DoD actually DID do research into a "gay bomb" that was supposed to release pheromones that would turn everyone in the affected area into a raging sex fiend overcome with lust, which was supposed to mean they'd be too busy fucking each other to fight back against our troops.
Mike
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Sadly, that's one of his LESS-crazy rants, too. DoD actually DID do research into a "gay bomb" that was supposed to release pheromones that would turn everyone in the affected area into a raging sex fiend overcome with lust, which was supposed to mean they'd be too busy fucking each other to fight back against our troops.
I see...
So did they accidentally drop it on washington, D.C. ?
That'd explain a lot, wouldn't it ?
-F
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Lol. I thought this only worked on insects. thought I know ... um, skip that thought...
Where is your god now...
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Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN... MEANWHILE...Quote:AND, you're avoiding this.
BDN: I would appreciate a direct response to my prediction, and to my request for a single instance of where you criticized the Bush administration or made a single prediction about where his policies would lead. Because for someone who keeps sayin' ANYONE could have predicted that! the problem is... you didn't.
Stupid troll.
A) Please expain to me where it says that I must answer your petulance within a certain time frame.
B) For someone who 'retired' I notice no decrease in volume or vitriol from you.
C) Where does it say that because I could have done something, that automatically means I must.
D) You keep putting a lie to your "but I only want to engage people in substantive debate" with your constant name-calling.
E) The past is past, one must look to the future. And in that vein, here is my prediction regading the Obama administration.
Inherited defecit. No major scale back of military operations. An itinerary to improve healthcare. I predict Obama will raise taxes. The richest will be hit hardest but the middle class will not escape unscathed.
Anyone want to make a wager? I will give 2/1 odds.
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Inherited defecit. No major scale back of military operations. An itinerary to improve healthcare. I predict Obama will raise taxes. The richest will be hit hardest but the middle class will not escape unscathed.
Anyone want to make a wager? I will give 2/1 odds.
Inherited deficit? Yes, he certainly did. And it's going to be damned hard to pay off Bush's debts and deficits WITHOUT raising taxes, isn't it? Hell, I predicted that NO MATTER WHO WON THE 2008 ELECTION, your taxes would be going up. One candidate or another can promise tax cuts, and even occasionally deliver them, but they can never make them stick, it seems - you cut taxes today and don't cut services or spending, and you WILL have to raise taxes tomorrow to pay for those services and spending. Either that, or you'll have to raise taxes to pay the interest on the money you borrowed from China to pay for those services and spending yesterday - and you'll be paying that interest for all your tomorrows.
So, will Obama LEAVE an inherited deficit behind? Depends, I s'pose. If he gets 8 years AND raises taxes, he can probably pay down a lot of Bush's deficits. Otherwise, probably not so much.
An itinerary to improve health care. That's not so much a "prediction" as an "after-diction"; he's already working on that one. Or have you not been paying attention?
Raising taxes. See above. "The rich will be hit hardest" - weren't the rich the ones who were "hit hardest" by Bush's tax cuts? 'Cause the poor and middle classes sure didn't see much in the way of relief.
No major scaleback of military operations. Well, we're supposed to be out of Iraq quite soon - maybe a year sooner if the Iraqis vote for such a referendum. And you can't have a problem with them voting us out, because that was the whole reason for the war, right? To give them democracy? Well, that was ONE of the reasons du jour, anyway...
Now, as long as Obama doesn't increase troop levels by 130,000 in Afghanistan or invade any other nation with a like-sized armed force, that would be a de facto reduction in military operations, would it not?
Mike
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Why do you make it so easy, BDN ?
So you can keep up.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:Quote:
My memory is pretty good but not quite so good as yours, apparently. And to be quite honest, I do find some of your posts overly long for my relativly short attention span. I also suppose that I do not spend as much time here as you. So I can postulate that perhaps I missed more than a few of your posts. Not all topics and therefore not all threads interest me as well.
Then perhaps you should allow for that before you open your mouth, just sayin.
Well that's a novel idea there Frem. No one should ask any questions unless they already know the answers first.
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No where did I say that Frem was full of shit. Or Frem does not know what he is talking about.
Of course not, that would require you to stand to it - no, you insinuated it, and now wanna weasel out when the bluff is called.
You sure do need to spin things to make yourself look better. At first I thought it was your extremely high opinion of yourself that I reacted to. Now I think perhaps you have a low opinion of yourself. Why else the need for all the grand-standing. If that is the case, then my bad.
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So once again, What trap did you just snap?
Baiting you to keep sticking your neck out when I am nearby with metaphorical axe in hand, grinning... like, well... now.
It's okay, Frem. We all feel down from time to time.
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What is all this about cowards on my side showing their true colours? This very thread has been a prime example of my shark analogy. By posing to you a simple query, I was engaged by no less than 3 other posters while waiting on your reply. Could it be the pack mentality?
More like you chumming the waters with your idiocy, although in Kwicko's case he completely had ulterior motives, cause he was all the while setting you up like a pretty white volleyball, knowing DAMN WELL I couldn't resist going for the spike - he won't even deny it.
Yep, yah sure did stick it to me. You and your sock puppet both.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
That ain't premeditated so much as he's an asshole and imma bastard who's primary rule is to always kick someone when they're down.
What's up Frem, only children are worth being civil to? Or is it just people who think like you do?
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Don't really know, I decided to take a pass on lunch. Perhaps your power of memory is intermittent. Do you not remember me stating before that I was not an American citizen?
Then why's it matter to you so much ?
Because I come here to spar, I mean debate. Is that so wrong?
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And I will say if you're british you did get that lunch cause I don't believe those diplomatic snubs are at all accidental, nor do I think them undeserved.
Wrong again, but what's the point. I could tell you I was from Mars and you would still try to find a way to try force feeding me your sandwich.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
See, to me, you're filed as "Authoritarian Lapdog, Mild Case, Occasionally showing the barest lick of sense.' and thus your mere existence provokes a natural emnity since I see all such types as collaborators and enablers.
Well that cuts it. I have been filed away in Fremworld. I truly hope you never come to the realization that we all don't live in Fremworld. If that day ever comes it shall shatter your little world and shake your beliefes to the core. And I'm not sure you could bounce back from that.
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Still heavily in favor of the bash Bush crowd no?
Oh and poor widdle shrub didn't give folk any REASON to bash him, is that your sob story ?
Again, note that whole "No Sympathy" t
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
THOSE are the people I want to reach, before it's too late. I think Frem, Rue, Signy, and a host of others feel the same way. We're not going to convince AuRaptor; we're not going to change BDN's mind. But what we CAN do is stomp them into dust before they get a foothold on someone else's views!
(Kwicko voice)
We are making it a better world, all of them better worlds.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
THOSE are the people I want to reach, before it's too late. I think Frem, Rue, Signy, and a host of others feel the same way. We're not going to convince AuRaptor; we're not going to change BDN's mind. But what we CAN do is stomp them into dust before they get a foothold on someone else's views!
We are making it a better world, all of them better worlds.
And what is it, exactly, that YOU are trying to do? Make it a WORSE world? That would explain a lot, really.
Mike
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This is the real world events discussion area of a T.V. show fan-site. This is not congress or the floor of the UN. Might want to remember that in future discussions.
And you're here arguing about it, why, exactly? I mean, if it's so beneath you to argue here, what does it say about you that you say that, and yet you're still here? Seems you must have no life at all, if you'll argue your point where you no it will do no good whatsoever.
Mike
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Or one could ask what you're doing here Mike, as I think I did with my whackamole ref. It doesn't pay to actually read and respond to posts, just wait for something entertainingly stupid.
Edit: deleted comment ;)
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And what is it, exactly, that YOU are trying to do? Make it a WORSE world? That would explain a lot, really.
Time to watch Serenity again, methinks.
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This is the real world events discussion area of a T.V. show fan-site. This is not congress or the floor of the UN. Might want to remember that in future discussions.
And you're here arguing about it, why, exactly? I mean, if it's so beneath you to argue here, what does it say about you that you say that, and yet you're still here? Seems you must have no life at all, if you'll argue your point where you no it will do no good whatsoever.
Slow down Mikey and take two deep breaths. My comment was in regards to Frem's way over the top rhetoric about stomping out tyranny or somesuch. Perhaps he is the one who forgets that this is a fan-site. So please stop with the strawman argument, okay?
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Meh, why should I care to indulge your masochism when it's clearly obvious that's what you want, especially after having made every point I felt the need to ?
To quote Durran Haymer:
"Now you're just embarrassing yourself."
-F
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So the field is mine?
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