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The sockpuppet list

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:55 AM (P)

Ok, so if this has not already been done, should we list sockpuppets? When providing input, please also include your personal definition of sockpuppet, and if multiple definitions, who or which apply to each definition.

So, who am I supposed to be? I've heard there are 4 or 5 answers.

Also, who is kingelbert? is it Chrisisall?

I'll try to compile a list as the relpies roll in.
First is a list of sockpuppets as proclaimed to be fake second users of another known user.

JewelStaiteFan /28350 = AuRaptor /3968 (Fremdfirma)

Kaneman = River6213 (Chrisisall)

Riverlove /30271 = ?

?? = Chrisisall /9161 (admitted by Chrisisall)

JKiddo /25571 = SignyM /1606


And here is a list of sockpuppets using the definition of kindred poster, somebody who posts so similar to what you would that there is little need for you to post additionally. I'll use tilda to mean "approximately equivalent to" here.

JewelStaiteFan ~ Asarian, AuRaptor, Wulfenstar, Hero, PheonixRose, FinnMacCummal, Riverlove.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:18 PM (P)

Hey, who wants to be MY sockpuppet?

(crickets chirping)

Well.. I'm glad for that.

Right or wrong, you ALL can know that I am the ONLY one who stands for these things I've written.

:)

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:42 PM (P)

Im lost.is this some american thing i dont know about.please explain.?

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:02 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Also, who is kingelbert? is it Chrisisall?


I'm mildly offended, Jewel. I had ONE sockpuppet, about 4 years ago, and he was an outrageously flambouyant d*ckwad; Kingelberry is just a waste of a potentially funny character.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:05 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Im lost.is this some american thing i dont know about.please explain.?


Sockpuppet: n - 1.a made up cyber character used to comedically stir up trouble 2. a made up cyber character created to say what YOU wouldn't say for fear of being branded the idiot that you are 3. a remote-control troll


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:48 PM (P)

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3. a remote-control troll





Shorten that: A Remote-ConTroll.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:49 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Also, who is kingelbert? is it Chrisisall?


I'm mildly offended, Jewel. I had ONE sockpuppet, about 4 years ago, and he was an outrageously flambouyant d*ckwad; Kingelberry is just a waste of a potentially funny character.


The laughing Chrisisall



Were you TheGhostOfChrisIsAll?

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:57 PM (P)

Peacekeeper, sock puppets are when someone who has ruined their own name, or chooses to make a point no sane person would agree with, or doesn't have the guts to state their point openly - creates a second username for the express purpose of shilling their opinions, supporting the statements of their real username, or continuing behavior that has ruined the reputation of the primary username.

JSF up there is just playing mind games, since that name is the caught, and outed username of user AURAPTOR.

And since Mikey is being coy, and I DO owe him some of his own smartassery, lemme point out that he damn well knows it too.

KWICKO

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Of course, I've never forgotten whether YOU are delusional, JSF. I've also never forgotten just exactly whose sock-puppet you are, speaking of butt-buddies. Guess Rappy's hand fits up your ass just fine, eh?


And of course, the thread in which the jig was up, called out and flamed is helpfully available via archive.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37206

Now Rappy, if you REALLY want to play, then lets do it without the masks, you pathetic cowardly git.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:00 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Were you TheGhostOfChrisIsAll?


If I remember correctly, that was my name more recently when my computer was down, and I had to create a new temporary account on the fly because I forgot my password... no, my sockpuppet was a raging right-wing fundamentalist loony that made Limbaugh seem sane.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:14 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
pathetic cowardly git.






The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:42 PM (P)

Thanks for the explanation.

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:45 PM (P)

Hooo-kay, I'm thoroughly confused. Is JSF a sock puppet of Raptor? I read the link, but still don't get it...?

I guess I was "sock-puppeted" on the other forum. Someone claimed something about me, and a "new" member came in and said they'd known me for years and verified everything said.

I knew the new person was a fraud and proved it--it's the first time I'd ever run into such a thing. Weird that people do such things.

So who is a sock puppet of who here? Can anyone tell me, can anyone prove it? And HOW do you prove it? Just thoroughly confused...

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Together we are greater than the sum of our parts

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Hooo-kay, I'm thoroughly confused. Is JSF a sock puppet of Raptor?

I don't think so, but I can't say for sure. Others seem convinced.
Calling someone a sockpuppet can also be a way of telling them that they copy someone else's brainworking so closely, that they needn't post at all, since it already seems there are two of them here...
or so that's how I sometimes see it.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:20 PM (P)

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
no, my sockpuppet was a raging right-wing fundamentalist loony that made Limbaugh seem sane.


Was it fond of saying "Go fuck yourself!"?

Cuz that was funny.

[/sig]

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:15 PM (P)

Hey, Folks, I'm Mwahaha, or Mwa, for short! I'll be playing the part of WhoDied's sock puppet.

You may notice that "my" account is actually older than "his" but don't worry your pretty little heads none--I'm a SLEEPER sock puppet! Cool, huh?

Well, see you kids around!

--Mwa
_________________________________________

Yeah, we're pretty much just giving each other significant glances and laughing incessantly.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:17 PM (P)

Dude, I love that guy!!!

--WhoDied


_______________________

Yeah, we're mostly just giving each other signif--hey, WTF, man!


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RUE
Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:25 PM (P)

I'M a sock puppet ! I just haven't figured out of who.

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In search of my massssterrrr ...

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:42 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
I'M a sock puppet ! I just haven't figured out of who.

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In search of my massssterrrr ...



Me or Signy, according to some. :)

Oh, and Phoenix? "Go fu..." Oh, never mind.

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:59 PM (P)

Bwahahahaha

I gotta get me a sock puppet. They appear to be amusing.

Though at times I've thought I shared a brain, or at least a part-brain, with some posters here. But it was never funny, per se, just kinda cool and at times a little creepy. And ultimately the shared brains have proven to be not entire, and occasionally have plummeted to the realms of 'not at all,' I don't know that I've ever had someone say someone (or myself!) was a sock puppet just because our opinions were so similar. So is a sock puppet someone who is just similar, or is it truly one person posting as more than one person?

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:03 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Hooo-kay, I'm thoroughly confused. Is JSF a sock puppet of Raptor?

I don't think so, but I can't say for sure. Others seem convinced.
Calling someone a sockpuppet can also be a way of telling them that they copy someone else's brainworking so closely, that they needn't post at all, since it already seems there are two of them here...
or so that's how I sometimes see it.

The laughing Chrisisall



Hi!

I know, I know. But I really do live in Utah. Would anyone else here admit that?

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:05 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Ok, so if this has not already been done, should we list sockpuppets? When providing input, please also include your personal definition of sockpuppet, and if multiple definitions, who or which apply to each definition.

So, who am I supposed to be? I've heard there are 4 or 5 answers.

Also, who is kingelbert? is it Chrisisall?

I'll try to compile a list as the relpies roll in.


Kingelbert must be the most successful sock puppet in history.He has spent his entire lifespan on this forum talking to himself!!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:11 PM (P)

Oh, I'm just messin' with ya, PR. I don't know whose sockpuppet that was. Sounds like Chris's style, though.

I like the mystery, myself.

Oh, and the true sockpuppet isn't someone who posts similar to you -it's actually YOU posting AS someone else. That's the textbook definition, as I understand it.

F'rinstance, Bytemite and Fremdfirma share many similarities, but I've never had even an inkling of suspicion that they were one and the same. I just find them to be kindred souls. Likewise, Rue, Signy, and myself - and Niki, in a lot of ways - have very similar views on lots of issues, but we have some quite radically different views on other things. So none of us are sockpuppets of each other, just people with similar political leanings on most things.

I've often wondered if PN and O2B were the same person, but PN seems to have enough trouble with the voices inside his own head - I'm not sure he could keep it straight with trying to be someone else as well! And O2B and BDN seem eerily similar, but I doubt they're the same person.

I'm wondering if Chris's alter-ego (the one that he'll *admit to*, anyway) was Kaneman. And what the hell does it mean to be "tagged as offensive", anyway? I'm quite sure that I've been offensive before, but never been tagged, nor even warned. Maybe I need to step my game up!

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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RUE
Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:28 PM (P)

"Maybe I need to step my game up!"

Then you will have to use really crude, disgusting, vile, offensive language - you @@@@@ &&&&&& ### 888888 baby diaper ! And that's what I CAN post !

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Silence is consent.

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:38 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Was it fond of saying "Go fuck yourself!"?


No, too recent, and my sock puppet was not foul-mouthed, his character believed that was just another road to hell.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:40 PM (P)

Back when I was browsing through fanfic here way back when, I found my way to some old threads where people were tagged offensive, and WOW with the vitriol.

From the examples I saw, I think the requirement is you have to personally attack someone because of their race, gender, creed, or all three, and be so reprehensible about the attack that the entire community recoils and feels outrage. It also helps if someone starts crying, and a puppy gets kicked.

You can be out of line, but I think this is more akin to threatening to rape someone on, say, a thread about feminism. I mean, threatening rape in any situation would be unacceptable, but that post made in that particular thread is engineered for maximum explosive capacity.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that it hasn't happened recently, so you might be a couple years too late. :(

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:41 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sounds like Chris's style, though.

I have a style? Is that better'n a way?
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posts similar to you -it's actually YOU posting AS someone else.

I had full-on arguments with my sockpuppet... but I started to feel a bit weird doin't it.
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That's I'm wondering if Chris's alter-ego (the one that he'll *admit to*, anyway) was Kaneman.
For MY money, Kaneman was River6213 when she was pissed.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:44 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Was it fond of saying "Go fuck yourself!"?


No, too recent, and my sock puppet was not foul-mouthed, his character believed that was just another road to hell.


The laughing Chrisisall



Well, hell - now I'm REALLY confused! I thought we had that one nailed down!

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:52 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by MwaHaHa:
I'm a SLEEPER sock puppet!


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Toofunnyisall


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
I'M a sock puppet ! I just haven't figured out of who.


All right, I confess, Rue is my sockpuppet. See, I can be smart! I just PLAY stupid as Chrisisall!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:56 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Well, hell - now I'm REALLY confused! I thought we had that one nailed down!


Mike, you KNOW something you're not tellin' us!


The cheeky Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:19 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Well, hell - now I'm REALLY confused! I thought we had that one nailed down!


Mike, you KNOW something you're not tellin' us!


The cheeky Chrisisall



Oh, the sheer volume of things I know which I'm not telling would stun a team of oxen...

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:20 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm wondering if Chris's alter-ego (the one that he'll *admit to*, anyway) was Kaneman.


I'm pretty sure Chris would not be that mean. Whoever they were, whether sockpuppet or just a jerk, whoever it was seemed to have some kind of vendetta against me, and a few others here. He/she/it would straight-up stalk people from thread to thread to make nasty remarks. And that name was tagged as offensive within the last year or so, I think, I get fuzzy on specific dates.
River6213 had at least one sockpuppet that was admitted to, right? I remember something like that. Was a rude and vitriolic sockpuppet, there may be something to Chris's theory about kaneman... unless it's all just to throw us off the scent.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:29 AM (P)

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...unless it's all just to throw us off the scent.


You win the prize. You figured it out - this is all just to keep us from talking about things like healthcare reform, getting out of Afghanistan, or de-funding ACORN.

Bread and Circuses!

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:03 AM (P)

Ah, too late to the party, I see.

BUT not too late for a big reveal, I hope??? 'Cause... I'm a sockpuppet for GEEZER!

HA! Who could have seen THAT coming???? Certainly not me!!!!

But while we're at it, what about all the peeps who don't visit anymore? Geezer, for the most part. Finn. Succotash. Ghoulman. Citizen. I don't miss trolls, but it would be nice to have those guys back, much as I might have disagreed with some.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:08 AM (P)

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Citizen.

Cit still posts on the other board (Serenitymovie.org). I think he got tired of the psuedo-politicos here. Maybe I should tell him they are all but vanquished now...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:08 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Ah, too late to the party, I see.

BUT not too late for a big reveal, I hope??? 'Cause... I'm a sockpuppet for GEEZER!


In the interest of detente, I'll just say...nope.

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But while we're at it, what about all the peeps who don't visit anymore? Geezer, for the most part. Finn. Succotash. Ghoulman. Citizen. I don't miss trolls, but it would be nice to have those guys back, much as I might have disagreed with some.

Disagreement is fine. It's the personal insults that tend to drive folk away.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Disagreement is fine. It's the personal insults that tend to drive folk away.


YOU JERKWEED!!~



Just having fun, Geeze.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:16 AM (P)

Considerations I've made, an abbreviated list, not accusations, just things that have crossed my mind:

1. PK might be a sock puppet, I don't know of whom.
2. Kathy, you can't be a sockpuppet, because you have a known human attached.
3. Sig I have often pondered as a possible sockpuppet of Rue
4. Participant, it has crossed my mind, could be a sockpuppet of Pirate News. The other Pirates are perhaps family members.
5. Wulf could be a sockpuppet of someone clever. He always brings up the same issues, a normal person wouldn't do that, unless they were just doing it to test the audience. My main suspect would be Frem, sorry, you just have more than a logical amount of patience with Wulf. I have seen pics of both of you.
6. Whozit was initially too incompetent to be the sockpuppet of Mike
7. Riverdancer might by River6213 as well. So many people have been. The fact is that River, when not ousted, is an interesting and insightful commentor. Admit it, we were all fooled by Riverlove for a long time. Kaneman less so. I personally found the original River6213's contributions very thought provoking, and miss them.
8. YinYang could also be...
9. common behaviors, as well as times of disappearance are give aways as well as knowledge base. Everyone thinks to fake voice, post a pick, take different positions, but they tend to fit the same psychological profile.
10. Mike, Frem, Byte, Niki, Rue, PN, are lowest on my list of "not a sockpuppet" followed by probably not Hero, O2tB, Geezer, HK.

Some other people are "probably not" but the weird affectation thing is an easy mislead.

Just some thoughts I've had as I read these posts, but I know a good linguistic analysis could catch a lot of people.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:18 AM (P)





Meh heh heh.

It wasn't *intentional* this time, seriously...
Of course, no one is gonna BUY that, which is even funnier, innit ?

-F

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:14 AM (P)

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Sig I have often pondered as a possible sockpuppet of Rue
Yes, I have often pondered that myself. But I dunno... what do YOU think, Rue? Am I your sock puppet?

RUE: Well. now that you mentioned it, maybe I'm yours?

SIGNY: Huh. Maybe we'll have to look in a mirror and see if there are two separate people there...

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:11 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Considerations I've made, an abbreviated list, not accusations, just things that have crossed my mind:

1. PK might be a sock puppet, I don't know of whom.
2. Kathy, you can't be a sockpuppet, because you have a known human attached.
3. Sig I have often pondered as a possible sockpuppet of Rue
4. Participant, it has crossed my mind, could be a sockpuppet of Pirate News. The other Pirates are perhaps family members.
5. Wulf could be a sockpuppet of someone clever. He always brings up the same issues, a normal person wouldn't do that, unless they were just doing it to test the audience. My main suspect would be Frem, sorry, you just have more than a logical amount of patience with Wulf. I have seen pics of both of you.
6. Whozit was initially too incompetent to be the sockpuppet of Mike
7. Riverdancer might by River6213 as well. So many people have been. The fact is that River, when not ousted, is an interesting and insightful commentor. Admit it, we were all fooled by Riverlove for a long time. Kaneman less so. I personally found the original River6213's contributions very thought provoking, and miss them.
8. YinYang could also be...
9. common behaviors, as well as times of disappearance are give aways as well as knowledge base. Everyone thinks to fake voice, post a pick, take different positions, but they tend to fit the same psychological profile.
10. Mike, Frem, Byte, Niki, Rue, PN, are lowest on my list of "not a sockpuppet" followed by probably not Hero, O2tB, Geezer, HK.

Some other people are "probably not" but the weird affectation thing is an easy mislead.

Just some thoughts I've had as I read these posts, but I know a good linguistic analysis could catch a lot of people.

Please explain why you get that impression.Until about 8 hours ago.I didn't even know what one was!!!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:55 AM (P)

Updated with pertinent replies.

I recall Kaneman was tagged offensive when I first arrived in Sept 07.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:10 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Riverdancer might by River6213 as well.


I could assure you that I am not, if that had any hope of changing your mind.
Is it the name? If I had considered that the infamy of River6213 would follow anyone with 'River' in their name, I would have chosen something else. Truth be told, River is just the character I found most intriguing and relatable, and I always loved to dance. I never danced at a professional level, mind; the furthest I ever got was some low-grade high school productions. As I've gone further and further into my higher education, I've mostly watched. Ooh, I did get to do a mini dance production for an art appreciation final, though. That was actually a few years ago now, the time has flown and I haven't danced for an audience since. That's it, mystery solved. Well, hopefully.
...Is it bad that I'm kind of happy anyone took enough notice of me to ponder whether I was someone else? I don't have time to post here much, sometimes don't have time even to lurk. I thought I might have been mostly lost in the shuffle.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:17 AM (P)

Riverdancer: It matters not whether you deny it, this is the documentation of the illusions percieved by the deranged. Once proclaimed a sock puppet by anybody, you cannot prove otherwise, it is not permissible.
Apparently there actually are sock puppets existing here, I just had not paid enough attention. Apparently all are products of the leftist loonies, from what's been said above.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Considerations I've made, an abbreviated list, not accusations, just things that have crossed my mind:

1. PK might be a sock puppet, I don't know of whom.
2. Kathy, you can't be a sockpuppet, because you have a known human attached.
3. Sig I have often pondered as a possible sockpuppet of Rue
4. Participant, it has crossed my mind, could be a sockpuppet of Pirate News. The other Pirates are perhaps family members.
5. Wulf could be a sockpuppet of someone clever. He always brings up the same issues, a normal person wouldn't do that, unless they were just doing it to test the audience. My main suspect would be Frem, sorry, you just have more than a logical amount of patience with Wulf. I have seen pics of both of you.
6. Whozit was initially too incompetent to be the sockpuppet of Mike
7. Riverdancer might by River6213 as well. So many people have been. The fact is that River, when not ousted, is an interesting and insightful commentor. Admit it, we were all fooled by Riverlove for a long time. Kaneman less so. I personally found the original River6213's contributions very thought provoking, and miss them.
8. YinYang could also be...
9. common behaviors, as well as times of disappearance are give aways as well as knowledge base. Everyone thinks to fake voice, post a pick, take different positions, but they tend to fit the same psychological profile.
10. Mike, Frem, Byte, Niki, Rue, PN, are lowest on my list of "not a sockpuppet" followed by probably not Hero, O2tB, Geezer, HK.

Some other people are "probably not" but the weird affectation thing is an easy mislead.

Just some thoughts I've had as I read these posts, but I know a good linguistic analysis could catch a lot of people.


Wulf is too consistent and sensible to be a sock puppet candidate. Anybody not agreeing with the statements he makes would not be able to comprehend the subject matter he covers and expouses, so he cannot be represented by somebody of opposite bias.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:21 AM (P)

The really sad part is that he thinks he is fooling anyone - especially someone who can textmatch and identify people since they cut their teeth on dialup ANSI BBS's.

You fool no one Rappy, and the more you speak, the more of that same drivel that pours out of your slavering pie hole, the more sure you make it that your exact word choices, phrasing, and dialogue selection (limited that yours *IS*) is gonna make it painfully obvious to everyone else too.

-F

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:06 PM (P)

JSF, what's the plural form of "terrorist"?

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:45 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Riverdancer might by River6213 as well.


I could assure you that I am not, if that had any hope of changing your mind.


Don't feel bad: I didn't even make the sockpuppet list. :)

As for River6213, 'Our Mrs. Vulcan' was certainly intelligent, and insightful; one of the First Ones that roamed this 'verse, and have now gone beyond the rim. She was a true contributor to this site. Too bad it was sheer impossible to say anything nice to her, really: you'd get slammed down, hard. Some people are like that. And some people juggle geese. Way it is is the way it is.

You are not River6213, though; of this I'm certain. :)


--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:41 PM (P)

"Wulf is too consistent and sensible to be a sock puppet candidate. Anybody not agreeing with the statements he makes would not be able to comprehend the subject matter he covers and expouses, so he cannot be represented by somebody of opposite bias."

I think I'll take this as a compliment. :)

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:49 PM (P)


...i am the walrus.....

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:49 PM (P)

Shut up Donnie....

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:52 PM (P)

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Apparently all are products of the leftist loonies, from what's been said above.


The Sockpuppets are extinct, their fire has gone out of the 'Verse. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:10 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I think I'll take this as a compliment. :)

I have it on good authority (and you KNOW how I loves me my authority) that you, Wulf, are actually the sockpuppet of none other than Adam Baldwin.
Fess up, Jayne!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:13 PM (P)

Actually, I'm the sockpuppet of Will Hunting, Jesse Custer, Eric Draven, and with a little Spider Jerusalem thrown in.

lol

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RUE
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:16 PM (P)

"3. Sig I have often pondered as a possible sockpuppet of Rue"


That would make my sockpuppet nicer than me ! That's my hidden self ! (????) The one I am too ashamed to post as ! (hunh ???)

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Silence is consent.

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RUE
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:19 PM (P)

I miss Ghoulman.

He was cruder than hell, only exceeded by Kaneman (and River6213). But damn, he had everything political spelled out years ago. Despite (or because ?) of being an N Irishman by way of Canada.

How'd he know ?

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Silence is consent.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:35 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Updated with pertinent replies.

I recall Kaneman was tagged offensive when I first arrived in Sept 07.


I was just thinkin' about that. As I remember it, a couple of right wingers got tagged as Offensive, and somebody ( Was it DeskTopHippie?) got tagged as awesome. Seemed to me that some new user at that time had some hacker type skills and hacked their accounts, not something done by Haken. Can't say that I remember it as being you I thought of at the time...

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:05 PM (P)

It was Haken tagging folks as offensive, after streams of complaints. At around the same time those tags started popping up, DesktopHippie did some basic html in her own tagline to say she was 'tagged as awesome' and commanding all to bow before the awesome hippie. Later, she edited it to fit more with the format of the actual 'tags' so it read 'my IP address is dynamic and gorrammit so am I!' She doesn't post much anymore, but it probably still says that. I thought it was pretty funny, actually, hehe.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:05 PM (P)

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Originally posted by asarian:
River6213... was certainly intelligent, and insightful... She was a true contributor to this site.


Then maybe I should take it as a compliment that I could be mistaken for her

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Don't feel bad: I didn't even make the sockpuppet list. :)

lol, that's probably because you're such a nice guy. Who would make a fake account to be nice to everyone?
But maybe you have a sockpuppet? Fess up!

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:17 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:
River6213... was certainly intelligent, and insightful... She was a true contributor to this site.


Then maybe I should take it as a compliment that I could be mistaken for her



That's certainly one way of looking at it. Besides, you ARE intelligent and a true contributor, so it's apt.

Quote:


Quote:

Don't feel bad: I didn't even make the sockpuppet list. :)

lol, that's probably because you're such a nice guy. Who would make a fake account to be nice to everyone?
But maybe you have a sockpuppet? Fess up!



Oooohhh - there's an idea. An alter-ego of me that's NOT a complete asshole. Hmmmmm... I don't think I put keep up the charade, though. My true caustic self would come shining through, like the white-hot intensity of a thousand exploding suns.

But a sockpuppet who is NICE to people. Interesting concept.

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:04 PM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oooohhh - there's an idea. An alter-ego of me that's NOT a complete asshole. Hmmmmm... I don't think I put keep up the charade, though. My true caustic self would come shining through, like the white-hot intensity of a thousand exploding suns.


Mikey Wins the thread!


Hee hee hee

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:33 PM (P)

ROFL

I see that to my own surprise I'm the guy with the guts? I mean seriously. Someone had to do it, or this wasn't gonna be any fun at all.

Consider what you got here, a thread on the topic of calling out sockpuppet's called "The sockpuppet list" posted by someone who has oft been accused of being a sockpuppet. It's more fun than watching the guys at stormfront call each other jewish.

PK, maybe you're magonsdaughter, except she doesn't seem to know farscape...

JSF, Kaneman was a known sockpuppet, flagged by Haken for being offensive, not for being a sockpuppet.

RiverDancer,

I was so expecting this response. So you do lurk? I wasn't sure if you were reading. A few comments:

1. I was actually studying dance until an unfortunate moment when I had to go see the college president to correct a transcript error, and happen to walk in on him, and the head of the dance dept., at what might be termed "A very unfortunate moment." Afterwards I was not invited to enroll in future dance classes, which were by invitation of the dept. head only.

2. It was a light casual nod, based really more on timing than name, when people appear and disappear. If I were more observant, I would have had a much better list. There are tons of characteristics, language, tone, timing, knowledge base, etc. that could be used. I suspect Frem would be best at ferreting out sockpuppets, Tho Pizmo, PN, Mike, Chris might have a list.

3. But that's why I like RiveR6213. River is my favorite character: For me, the show was about River and Simon, and their auxiliary interactions with Kaylee, Mal and Jayne, and the rest just becoming somewhat peripheral. It's interesting how the show is connected, like each character only relates to certain others, like Simon (River, Kaylee, Mal; There is no Simon-Inara or Simon-Wash relations, etc.) River(Simon, Kayle, and Book to a small degree, Jayne in a negative way, but again, a whole lot of no-links, like no real River-Zoe, etc.) Kaylee probably has the most personal connections to other characters.

I found one of the many things on this forum to be paradoxical, and RiveR6213 was so very much like River, and yet, some of the reactions she got... it's like how people talk about uniting against TPTB, and yet can be at it like cats and dogs against each other over trivial non-issues for like 200 posts.

BTW, no, I have no vested stake in the answer to the question, but someone had to post a sockpuppet list or things were never going to get interesting. Most ironic was that this was very much the response I would have expected for RiveR6213 ;)

Jes trying to make life more interesting...


JSF,

Nah, lots of right wing people have been accused of sockpuppets. Someone was just accused of being Auraptor. I believe that more people have been accused of being Auraptor than anyone but River. (Doesn't help being outted and confirmed twice)

The only sockpuppet denier is probably a pick, or you, holding a sign that says "hi, i'm [username] and I'm not a sock puppet"

Oh, you've been accused of being a sockpuppet a lot. Ooh, this is going to be fun... scanning ahead...


Quote:

Wulf is too consistent and sensible to be a sock puppet candidate. Anybody not agreeing with the statements he makes would not be able to comprehend the subject matter he covers and expouses, so he cannot be represented by somebody of opposite bias.


Okay, I can see where Frem would think Auraptor wrote this, misspelling aside, Tho I thought Rap was very southern and JSF strikes me as more Ivy league... but I'll skip that and jump to the text of it:

Wulf's consistency and persistence are just the very things that *make* him a most excellent potential sock puppet. I can just tell that my tendencies to use *asterisks* and to make numbered lists are just a couple things I'd need to keep in the bag if I were to ever try to make a sockpuppet.


Asarian,

A sockpuppet would have to post *ouch* or there would be no point. Nah, I was making a cursory list, there are a lot of user I could dig up if

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:40 PM (P)

River6213 almost left us, and I was so sad when I thought it might be permanent.

Just free-associating here.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:37 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
So you do lurk?


For the most part, yes, I'm a lurker. I lurked for a few years before I joined. I had to put my two cents in on a thread about Nathan Fillion's tattoo (yum, Nathan) because I was (am) positive I knew what it was. So there I had an account, and I occasionally chime in now, when the mood strikes me.
Sounds like a fun time with that dance dept

Quote:

It was a light casual nod, based really more on timing than name, when people appear and disappear.

Did River6213 disappear when I appeared? I signed up a little over three years ago, I'm pretty sure she's been around since then, right? I know time flies when you're working on a master's degree.

Quote:

Most ironic was that this was very much the response I would have expected for RiveR6213 ;)

Well, if you want to think I'm someone I'm not, I can't very well stop you. And you seem to like her, so that's good, but I'm not her.

Quote:

The only sockpuppet denier is probably a pic, of you, holding a sign that says "hi, I'm [username] and I'm not a sock puppet"

I might have to work on getting something like that. Until then, if anyone is interested, my name is Lisa. My pet name is Li-Li, for those of you who really like me. Maybe I should have made that my screen name... It didn't seem very Firefly related, though. Oh, and feel free to flatter me, it gives me the warm fuzzies. Being told I'm an intelligent contributor will keep me happy for a week

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:25 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oooohhh - there's an idea. An alter-ego of me that's NOT a complete asshole. Hmmmmm... I don't think I put keep up the charade, though. My true caustic self would come shining through, like the white-hot intensity of a thousand exploding suns.


Mikey Wins the thread!


Hee hee hee



Careful - there's already talk of us being the same person! I tend to think of us as brothers from other mothers... Ooooh - and I *was* born in Laurel, just outside Bodymore!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:33 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Being told I'm an intelligent contributor will keep me happy for a week

Then be twice as happy- I concur with that assessment. The more you post, the better this site is for it. And, BTW, you are nothing like River6213, save for level of intelligence.



The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:45 AM (P)

So---what is basically being said, is that virtually everybody on the forum is a sockpuppet. In which case, there are no original members, because they have all been replaced. Which means that the sockpuppets are now bona fide members in their own right.Does that mean that FFF.Net is a sockpuppet for the OB?. I think I really am a sockpuppet, coz this thread has shafted me clean up the arse.And it ain't half painful!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:50 AM (P)

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PK, maybe you're magonsdaughter, except she doesn't seem to know farscape...

I do too know Farscape....

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:02 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

PK, maybe you're magonsdaughter, except she doesn't seem to know farscape...

I do too know Farscape....

Of course you do---seeing as you're me!!!!.I am your male version by the way.Hey,it's lovely to speak to myself!!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:13 AM (P)

Hello,

I am secretly Piratenews, and I have a strong fetish for Israeli bankers wielding Thompson submachineguns.

The secret is now out.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:17 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I am secretly Piratenews, and I have a strong fetish for Israeli bankers wielding Thompson submachineguns.

The secret is now out.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

Hello, I agree with every word that AnthonyT says.He is essentially AWESOME!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:21 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


I am secretly Piratenews,

I KNEW it! Always with the polite "Hello", yet a seething remorseless bigot beneath!





The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:24 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

PK, maybe you're magonsdaughter, except she doesn't seem to know farscape...

I do too know Farscape....

Of course you do---seeing as you're me!!!!.I am your male version by the way.Hey,it's lovely to speak to myself!!!!


yes, me too

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:34 AM (P)

Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

PK, maybe you're magonsdaughter, except she doesn't seem to know farscape...

I do too know Farscape....

Of course you do---seeing as you're me!!!!.I am your male version by the way.Hey,it's lovely to speak to myself!!!!


yes, me too

This is not working to clarify anything.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:40 AM (P)

I think clarity took a huge dive toward defenestration at the start of this thread.All thanks to JSF--or is she? In fact Chris, you may well be MY sockpuppet.Can sockpuppets have sockpuppets.Cyber Subletting,now there's a thing. MY God,is there no trust anymore?Now this is a conspiracy theory we could do without.
P.S. I am in fact Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the 2nd.PK is my prime subject.

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:59 AM (P)

River,

As I said, that was a stab in the dark sockpuppet list. I did it because everyone was pussyfooting around and no one was going to come out and say it.

So I made it up. The thing is, it's ironic, because the brave lot of libertarians here, the only damn thing they're afraid of is their own self image. It's pathetic. Sorry guys, I'm a little ticked off at the moment. But it's not sensitivity or fairness, it's that no one wants to be the bad guy, in spite of the overeagerness to be the bad guy when there's someone to try to hurt.

Yeah, Mike is not Frem, cause I know Frem is the evil conspirator who walks on egg shells. Mike would just crush Wulf like a bug. And sorry Wulf, sometimes you're asking for it. But Mike, discriminate. Have some sense of honor.

But no, I don't get my Rivers confused, or my other users, I keep more careful track than I admit to, but your contributions are always welcome.

A wise old indian said to me once "Those who talk much, say little." It was a compliment, because he then offered that I was an exception to that rule. Since then, I've seen that he was more right than he realized. I may have had a lot to say then, but the more I talked, the less I listened. A lot of the comments here contain little information, because people are too busy talking, and not listening. But a little contribution is always welcome, just recognize your mousetrap threads and your thunderdome threads and avoid those, focus on the contemplative insightful informative ones.

Sad commentary on the forum structure that it tends to bury those in favor of the more death match kind.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:02 AM (P)

PK,

you know outrage at sockpuppet allegations is a sign that you are a sock pupper [/snark]

sockpuppets.Cyber Subletting I like it. Of course in site hosting there actually already is Cyber Subletting.

If you are QE2 then by all means your sock puppet is Pirate News.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:03 AM (P)

MD,

Ah, I see. I mentioned it a couple of times before... No, I didn't really think PK was your sockpuppet. The world was getting boring, and I decided to stir things up. It's now getting decidedly more interesting

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:51 AM (P)

DT: I can just about guarantee you that Frem is the most incompetent ferreter of sockpuppets on this board, although that knowledge will not deter his delusions.
And I'm not Ivy League, sorry. Start with northern midwest, flavor in some Memphis, VA Beach, OC and you have it.
Can you explain the "no blood spilled list" and how that relates? Curious since I'm on it.
I don't think anybody will fault you for stating who you think are sockpuppets - I'm the one who asked, they can be irked at me.


Can somebody state who Riverlove was?

Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
I think clarity took a huge dive toward defenestration at the start of this thread.All thanks to JSF--or is she?


You're welcome.

Hmmm. I'm beginning to wonder if this is the most popular thread I've ever started on this forum. Didn't intend that. Not most viewed, but most replied. Such a waste that it's in RWED instead of someplace usefull.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:58 AM (P)

It appears there are 2 different topics being discussed here, sockpuppets as fake substitutes of another username (which I had thought I was asking about), and also sockpuppets as a liberal slang for "dittoheads" - I realize some may not understand the reference, but I was listening when dittoheads overwhelmed their patron.
I will try to edit the OP to include both lists.
Please specify which version you are referring to in following replies.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:19 PM (P)

Quote:

Can sockpuppets have sockpuppets.


Yes.

My sockpuppets have sockpuppets.

Dance, monkeys! Dance!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:38 PM (P)

JSF,

A Sockpuppet is supposedly a second username created for the purpose of manipulation, to support your own position, to say things you ain't to proud of saying, etc. but it's applied to all secondary usernames. I'm having second thoughts. If someone needs to start a second username to avoid attacks, and this is unsuccessful, then it only leads us into further confusion. All the information you seek has already been stated in the thread, and if you dig through old threads you'll find some pretty disturbing stuff.

The "No blood spilled" list was just my observation of "here are combinations of people whom I have never seen fight." Some of these are people who are on the same side 100% of the time, which doesn't prove one if is a sockpuppet of the other.

The discussion of similarities was to give a base for who might be a sockpuppet. This has been most marvelously destructive.

Oh, as for who Riverlove is, as her yourself. ;)

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:43 PM (P)

So wait a second, don't I even get a consideration for having a sockpuppet? Are you saying that I don't have a sockpuppet?

Come on! Who wants to be my sockpuppet?

lol

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:28 PM (P)

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The only sockpuppet denier is probably a pic, of you, holding a sign that says "hi, I'm [username] and I'm not a sock puppet"


I might have to work on getting something like that.


I would do no such thing. It's silly. Don't let others push you into a place you don't wanna be in. Obviously you like yourself. I like you too. :) Many folks do. So what if someone thinks you're River6213? Worst case, they'll either have to admit River6213 is a lot more likeable than they gave her credit for, or they'll have to mend the error of their thinking. Either way, it don't affect you none.

Besides, I honestly don't think you're River6213. Way I figure this, you are to River6213 what Firefly was to Serenity: much warmer. :)

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Until then, if anyone is interested, my name is Lisa. My pet name is Li-Li, for those of you who really like me. Maybe I should have made that my screen name... It didn't seem very Firefly related, though.


You always did love to dance. :) Just stick with that screen name; or, at least, don't change it on account of anyone else.

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Oh, and feel free to flatter me, it gives me the warm fuzzies. Being told I'm an intelligent contributor will keep me happy for a week


I 'spose I could use my wiles. :) (Can men use wiles?) Flat fact: you are very likeable. As for 'intelligent contributor,' I don't know how bright you are, top three percent, but I like reading you. And I'm fair certain lotsa peeps do. So, by the quantity expressed, I leave your contribution to be guessed. :)


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Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:35 PM (P)

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Can sockpuppets have sockpuppets?


The universe might very well collapse under that one! :)


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Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:41 PM (P)

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
JSF,

A Sockpuppet is supposedly a second username created for the purpose of manipulation, to support your own position, to say things you ain't to proud of saying, etc. but it's applied to all secondary usernames. I'm having second thoughts. If someone needs to start a second username to avoid attacks, and this is unsuccessful, then it only leads us into further confusion. All the information you seek has already been stated in the thread, and if you dig through old threads you'll find some pretty disturbing stuff.

The "No blood spilled" list was just my observation of "here are combinations of people whom I have never seen fight." Some of these are people who are on the same side 100% of the time, which doesn't prove one if is a sockpuppet of the other.

The discussion of similarities was to give a base for who might be a sockpuppet. This has been most marvelously destructive.

Oh, as for who Riverlove is, as her yourself. ;)


Hey Dream, it's me. I'm not a sockpuppet for any other poster here, and Riverlove has no relation to any of the other Rivers who post. They're typically on the opposite side of my positions, and they have bashed me pretty good in the past. You & JSF have mentioned me a couple of times, and I'll admit I was sort of surprised at that, considering I hadn't posted anything since June. So anything else you'd like to know?

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 4:44 PM (P)

I'd like to know why noone will be my sockpuppet....

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:00 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I'd like to know why noone will be my sockpuppet....



You don't need a sockpuppet. You got spunk Wulf. You take on the liberals here and have the time, energy, and desire to fight the battles that few seem to have any more. You're doing good work in the wake of so many conservatives dropping out of this forum. You have my respect for that alone. And you are deserving of better treatment from your political & cultural foes here as well. You've partially filled their Auraptor void by giving them a familiar target to spar with daily.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:19 PM (P)

The problem is... Im not a conservative.

I give shit to the libs, because them are the ones I know. (Lived around, heard, smelled, watched).

If/when I live out among the bible-bangers, the red-necks, and the "God-hates-Fags" crowd...

They, too, would be in my sights.

But I don't know them. I only have a limited understanding of them, and cannot take them to task.

Understand. I am a true Independent. Both sides irk me. I just have more experience with the one.


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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:38 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The problem is... Im not a conservative.

I give shit to the libs, because them are the ones I know. (Lived around, heard, smelled, watched).

If/when I live out among the bible-bangers, the red-necks, and the "God-hates-Fags" crowd...

They, too, would be in my sights.

But I don't know them. I only have a limited understanding of them, and cannot take them to task.

Understand. I am a true Independent. Both sides irk me. I just have more experience with the one.


You've only got a caricature knowledge then of Conservatives if you think that we're the folks you mentioned above. True there may be a percentage that fall into those squares, but the vast majority do not....just like the vast majority of Liberals are not of the fringe left variety. Of course you wouldn't know that from the posts here. Anyway, for whatever reason, I again say you're doing a good job, and urge you to keep it up.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:45 PM (P)

"You've only got a charicature knowledge then of Conservatives if you think that we're the folks you mentioned above."

Exactly. Which is why I don't go after them.

I don't know enough conservatives to make a judgmental call.

I've know enough hippie libs to see the b.s. in their ways.

And its been enough to earn my rage.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:54 PM (P)

Hey Wulf, can I be your sockpuppet? I may have to do double-duty, being Rue's sockpuppet as well, but I think I can manage!

BTW- Yes, sockpuppets have sockpuppets! I have another alias because the damn board won't let me change my username (long story). The alias is Jkiddo so if I happen to post under that name, think SignyM.

DAMN! I'M GOOD!


DT: I can assured you that I'm not Rue's sock puppet... altho I freely admit to spewing a bunch of cuss-words on the board in a misfired attempt to demo that ANYBODY can type cuss words, and that it doesn't clarify their argument one bit. Be that as it may... what's a tag-team?


Also, in the whole sock-puppetry thing, it seems to me that it would be best to have a bitter argument with your sock puppet to establish separate identities, n'est-ce pas?

To tell you the truth, I'm not that smart and for the life of me I can't keep that many people straight! So I have to just respond to each poster individually.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:56 PM (P)

Wulf, you only seem to know caricatures of "hippie" libs as well. So is suspect you don't know them at all.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 5:57 PM (P)

Lol.

No. I know them. Seen what they believe...

AND

Where their beliefs end up.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:11 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Lol.

No. I know them. Seen what they believe...

AND

Where their beliefs end up.


Hippies cry for dead trees, NeoCons cry for lost stock value.
Both are fools.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:17 PM (P)

True.

Cause, neither work to fix what they are crying about.

And fix it in a way that won't screw over other people.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:17 PM (P)

True.

Cause, neither work to fix what they are crying about.

And fix it in a way that won't screw over other people.

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:20 PM (P)

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No. I know them. Seen what they believe...
AND
Where their beliefs end up.

In another thread... Can you tell me what "they" believe? Thanks!

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:21 PM (P)

"In another thread... Can you tell me what "they" believe? Thanks!"

*sigh

And here we go, again.....

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:23 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
True.

Cause, neither work to fix what they are crying about.

And fix it in a way that won't screw over other people.


See? Again we reach!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 1, 2009 6:29 PM (P)

"See? Again we reach!"

Hope its not around.

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