Cheney Suffers Heart Attack Number Five

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KWICKO

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:52 PM (P)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/02/more-about-chene
ys-heart-attack-how-many-can-one-person-have.html

Fingers crossed... fingers crossed...

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:02 AM (P)

Wouldn't wish that on anyone...any warm-blooded ANIMAL, regardless of species, anyway. But that wouldn't apply, would it? There's a certain temptation in this case...

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:08 AM (P)

Wasn't there an Angel episode titled "The Cautionary Tale of Number Cinco"? Cautionary, indeed.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:22 AM (P)

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/02/more-about-chene
ys-heart-attack-how-many-can-one-person-have.html

Fingers crossed... fingers crossed...

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

I on the other hand wish him a long and pain filled life,

If it can't be in a six by six cell

then paralyzed, unable to speak, staring at the ceiling with cold drool running out of its mouth might be fitting.

Perhaps W. will be busted driving while coked up, and could be sentenced to community service changing its diapers and giving it sponge baths...

If justice doesn't exist, perhaps Karma will create some balance

RUE

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:35 AM (P)

Did you know that while some near-death-experience people report light and peace, many report pain and evil ? I wonder which Cheney will have ?

"I classify NDEs according to the general category as: positive or negative. It is my opinion, that people who are primarily motivated by positive influences (such as love, joy, and peace) generally have positive NDEs. People who are primarily motivated by negative influences (such as hatred, anger, and fear) generally have negative NDEs. There are a many exceptions to this, but I am confident that such a categorization is sufficient.

Positive NDEs have similar aspects. A typical example involves an out-of-body (OBE) experience followed by traveling through a tunnel toward a very bright light. At the end of the tunnel, deceased loved ones or "Beings of Light" often appear. Sometimes, one particular "Being of Light" is identified either as God, Jesus or other religious figures, an angel, or even their own "Higher Self." This being induces them into a life review in which their entire life can be instantaneously observed. Afterwards, the experiencer reaches a boundary of some kind which they cannot cross. Here, they may be given a choice of returning to physical existence or progressing into the afterlife. They are often told, "It is not yet your time to die" or, "Your mission is not yet completed."

Negative experiences also have features that are similar. These kinds of experiences often involve people finding themselves in some hellish condition, sometimes corresponding to an object of interest such as a physical addiction, a sexual obsession, a person still living, or some negative influence. Negative experiences are often rescued by a higher spiritual Being of Light, sometimes by a loved one or sometimes by a religious figure. Once rescued, they are shown their entire life in review. They are then given the same choice as those who have positive experiences: to either stay or return. Many negative experiences often end up transforming into positive ones, which strongly suggests these negative states of consciousness are temporary and not permanent."

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Did you know that while some near-death-experience people report light and peace, many report pain and evil ? I wonder which Cheney will have ?

I wonder if he'd even know the difference. For him, pain and evil might BE light and peace!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:47 AM (P)

People. What Cheney deserves, he's earned & will receive. No need to, umm..

sorry, my Buddhist bent is vacating me momentarily...

*choke*

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:48 AM (P)

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30709

Cheney Returns To Camp Crystal Lake

CRYSTAL LAKE, NJ—Reports of a shadowy figure in the woods and heavy breathing heard in the night, coupled with a recent series of grisly murders, have generated rumors that U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney has returned to terrorize the counselors at Camp Crystal Lake, sources reported Friday.

"I knew it'd been too quiet around here," camp caretaker Ephram Magritte, 67, said between sips from his flask. "Things were just starting to get back to normal. Then that carload of kids had to go have a drinking party at the lake last Friday. When two of them went missing, people started up again, saying Cheney was back. We don't need that kind of talk. Stirs up trouble. Scares off customers."

Four hours later, Magritte was found hanging from a tree, his brass-handled cane protruding from his eye socket.

Although some locals say the deaths prove that Cheney has returned to Camp Crystal Lake, most residents remain skeptical.

"Dick Cheney? No, sir, Dick Cheney is dead," general-store owner Doug Leffert said as he packed groceries into a box. "Last person to see Cheney alive was Tommy Williams, the feller that killed him. Yeah, blew him up. Knocked him down with a propane tank and shot it. Heck of an explosion. Burned down the mess hall, too. All anyone found left of Cheney was his eyeglasses."

"Tommy was never the same after," Leffert added. "Been in an insane asylum up around Newton ever since."

According to camp counselor Jenny Marlatt, not every Crystal Lake murder was committed by Cheney.

"We all thought Cheney had returned last year," Marlatt said before pausing to inhale marijuana smoke from a soda-can pipe. "A bunch of people wound up getting murdered. But the killer turned out to be the brother of one of Cheney's victims. He put on some Cheney glasses and started killing people he thought should've kept a better eye on his brother."

More recently, Cheney's mother slaughtered nine people under the guise of her son before she was finally slain.

"Nah, Cheney hasn't been around for years," Marlatt said. "He's just a story mothers tell their children to get them to clean their plates."

Hours after Marlatt spoke to the press, her body was discovered hanging from the rafters in the camp's auditorium, her soda-can pipe jammed into her mouth.

Camp cook Henry Jones said that, while most of Cheney's homicides took place at Camp Crystal Lake and its immediate vicinity, the maniac has, on occasion, left the bucolic setting to stalk teens and police officers from other cities and towns.

"Remember when Cheney went to New York City?" Jones said Saturday. "They say he stowed away on a cruise ship of teenagers taking a graduation-night voyage around Manhattan Island. He killed almost everyone on board, then went ashore. Yes, sir, Cheney is back, all right—only this time, I know exactly how to stop him."

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Cheney's glasses, as found in the woods near Camp Crystal Lake.

Those were among Jones' last words, as he was decapitated Sunday. His girlfriend, Jessica Clark, reported that a shadowy figure beheaded him with a machete while the couple kissed behind the camp's kitchen, shortly after she had removed her shirt.

Although nearly 100 Camp Crystal Lake staff members and visitors have been murdered in the last 25 years, experts report that the town is ill-prepared for the return of Cheney.

"Cheney is an unstoppable killing machine," CNN's Anderson Cooper said via telephone. "He has been burned, stabbed, slashed, hacked, bludgeoned, and shot, only to get back up and continue his rampage. But when the town's self-absorbed teens try to explain that something is wrong, very wrong, their calls for help fall on deaf ears. There needs to be some accountability on the part of—oh, God! He's here!"

Cooper, who then dropped the telephone, has not been heard from since.

As they continue to investigate the recent murders, police have urged locals to stay in their heav

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:52 AM (P)

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:57 AM (P)

Gino, that story is HYSTERICAL!!!

And Chris, yes, it's hard to remember the tenants of buddhism when it comes to "people" (I use the term advisedly) like him, isn't it?

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:00 AM (P)

Mine go back and forth. I'm pretty sure it's just random neural firings while unconscious or critical, nothing "positive" or "negative" and nothing to do with life experiences or beliefs.

Kind of like dreams. It's not like mean or greedy people just have bad dreams, just like not all nice people have good dreams.

Can't lucid dream when you're unconscious, unfortunately. :( I have more influence when it's regular sleep.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:01 AM (P)

Maybe the bastard is getting called up from the minors ?

RAHLMACLAREN

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:06 AM (P)

Ok, at this point Cheney is just rubbing it in.

The Zombie has a heart attack about as often as another person would get the hiccups, and they don't seem to affect him much worse.

Meanwhile, Andy Hallet's and Britney Murphy's hearts simply stop.

He probably has heart attacks just to goad the "liburulz" into saying insensitive things in public. And hey, it's working.

Every time Cheney has a "heart attack", his handlers at Haliburton simply have to raise him again.

Hopefully, this will shut him up for about a week before he starts making more televised speeches bitching about Obama's anti-torture stance, or whatever.

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Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

RUE

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:20 AM (P)

"The Zombie has a heart attack about as often as another person would get the hiccups, and they don't seem to affect him much worse."

WELLLllllll... what you DON'T know - and I got this from a reliable source almost fifth-hand - is that every time Cheney has another one, they just pop a new heart in ! Just like that ! They have a whole wing of young males with compatible tissue types and they keep 'em locked up as spare parts. And, well, other things. But I won't go into that.

But ANYway, it's not true that Cheney is heartless. B/c, as you see, he's got lots of heart ! AND - he's young at heart, too !

OK - now that I got that weirdness and those lame groaners out of my system, I can go on like normal.

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Just pretend you didn't see this, OK ?

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:31 AM (P)

He has Atrial Fibrillation and Arrhythmia. Heart attacks are part of the territory.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"The Zombie has a heart attack about as often as another person would get the hiccups, and they don't seem to affect him much worse."

WELLLllllll... what you DON'T know - and I got this from a reliable source almost fifth-hand - is that every time Cheney has another one, they just pop a new heart in ! Just like that ! They have a whole wing of young males with compatible tissue types and they keep 'em locked up as spare parts. And, well, other things. But I won't go into that.

But ANYway, it's not true that Cheney is heartless. B/c, as you see, he's got lots of heart ! AND - he's young at heart, too !

OK - now that I got that weirdness and those lame groaners out of my system, I can go on like normal.

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Just pretend you didn't see this, OK ?

God damn it, Rue - Now you've sent PN off on an entirely new tangent!

And Byte: Looks like he's got that territory pretty well mapped about now.

And Gino: I LOL'd. A lot.

Quote:
Posted by Rahl MacLaren:

The Zombie has a heart attack about as often as another person would get the hiccups, and they don't seem to affect him much worse.

Meanwhile, Andy Hallet's and Britney Murphy's hearts simply stop.

There ain't no justice, ya know?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:57 AM (P)

I find myself a bit surprised that he has the required bit of anatomy for this to be a problem.

-F

SIGNYM

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:58 AM (P)

I just wish Cheney didn't have health insurance....

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
I just wish Cheney didn't have health insurance....

I hope he does

Blink twice if your hungry

DICK

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:32 AM (P)

If you waterboard a zombie...

Do you need to use holy water ?

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
If you waterboard a zombie...

Do you need to use holy water ?

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

Maybe we should ask DICK

http://www.bongonews.com/layout1.php?event=2339

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:38 AM (P)

Jeeze, y'all need to kick a demon when he's down?

Just to note for the record, when GW gets sick, I won't make fun, he's a human after all.

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:52 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Jeeze, y'all need to kick a demon when he's down?

Just to note for the record, when GW gets sick, I won't make fun, he's a human after all.

The laughing Chrisisall

But we just found us a sponsor

As for GW he'll go quick. He can't handle the meth anymore

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:12 AM (P)

We don't have to be mean....

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
We don't have to be mean....

The laughing Chrisisall

If there was any frigging justice in this world you would be right... and I wish there was

but until then, I'll take whatever satisfaction I can find

RAHLMACLAREN

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:28 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Blink twice if your hungry

DICK

Eye watering, ab rolling, throwing out my already thrown out back LMAO! Good thing I wasn't drinking anything or my keyboard would've been toast.

Dear Nuadha, I hope the Jack N The Box guy pulls through.

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Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:00 AM (P)

Maybe there is some hope of justice...

then again maybe not

HERO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
We don't have to be mean....

Actually most people around here do have to be mean.

Its part of their ideological makeup.

They don't see it as being mean because to them Cheney is not a real person deserving of compassion. He is the hated opposition, less then human and therefore anything is acceptable.

I reserve my real hatred for the likes of Bin Ladden and much as I hate Bin Ladden and would like to see him suffer, were his fate in my hands I would give him the reasonable care and good treatment required of us by both the Constitution and our basic humanity.

I suspect were Cheney in the hands of the people of this board...he would not be as well taken care of because in the crazytalker mindset, basic humanity does not apply and the Constitution is for people they agree with or like.

That said making a little fun of someone is natural and normal...its the genuine feelings of hate and wishes for misfortune that are inappropriate.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:52 PM (P)

Funny how jew Cheney and Rabbi David Rockefeller survive the same surgeries, meds and blood transfusions that genocided my family and 60-million other Americans in the past 30 years.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
We don't have to be mean....

Actually most people around here do have to be mean.

Its part of their ideological makeup.

They don't see it as being mean because to them Cheney is not a real person deserving of compassion. He is the hated opposition, less then human and therefore anything is acceptable.

I reserve my real hatred for the likes of Bin Ladden and much as I hate Bin Ladden and would like to see him suffer, were his fate in my hands I would give him the reasonable care and good treatment required of us by both the Constitution and our basic humanity.

I suspect were Cheney in the hands of the people of this board...he would not be as well taken care of because in the crazytalker mindset, basic humanity does not apply and the Constitution is for people they agree with or like.

That said making a little fun of someone is natural and normal...its the genuine feelings of hate and wishes for misfortune that are inappropriate.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

Aren't you one of the ones cheerleading torture of people simply on the basis of them not having any constitutional rights?

Many celebrated the murder of Saddam, many more would celebrate the murder of Bin Laden (I don't know who "Bin Ladden" is; maybe you could enlighten us). Are they not husbands, brothers, sons, and fathers as well?

Seems you're one of the principal ones who enjoys the murder and mistreatment of those "others" with whom you disagree, "Hero". Hell, you've as much as admitted that you do it yourself, whenever given the chance in a court of law.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:45 PM (P)

Okay, I'm catching on. I'm starting to save stuff, beginning with "Ro"s last comment; be forewarned Ro (I refuse to call you "Hero", you are too far from one), it's in the 'file' so the next time you contradict yourself...

Neither I nor anyone else here (with a couple of possible exceptions) would probably do the man any actual harm, you know that, you're just taking advantage of the moment to slur others.

As to Cheney, it's human to let one's frustrations out, when one has felt helpless to change the situation. In this case, something has done it for us, and tho' I'm sure he hasn't suffered much (darn it!), it's natural to take some satisfaction in, if nothing else, him being shut up for a little while.

Chris, I agree to a point, but I see nothing wrong in letting us voice our feelings about someone who has been truly evil and has harmed so many deliberately and for no reason. I certainly wouldn't do the same for Dumbya, I think he's just misguided and maybe dumb, but this man is deliberately "bad". I don't know what made him this way, or Bin Laden or any mass murderer, and if I were physically responsible, I too would do the right thing by him. Nonetheless, whether my karma comes back to bite me in the butt or not, I don't feel too bad about voicing my feelings.

Frem, you're absolutely right: It's not possible to have an "attack" on something you don't have in the first place.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:23 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

I reserve my real hatred for the likes of Bin Ladden

Sorry, but I don't see much difference between Bin Laden & Cheney.
The fact that you do is most disturbing.
But, you is what you is...

The laughing Chrisisall

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:31 PM (P)

I agree. Scary. Sad. On the other hand, in many respects I DON'T see a difference. Something made them what they are, and given different circumstances, influences and experiences, they'd be different people. If we could only see past their words and actions...

It's saddens me that people can't see there's a reason why people are the way they are...I don't hold that there are REALLY any "evil" people, not even mass murderers; we're all a product of our biology, childhood and other influences, etc. Yes, there are people whose mental wiring is such that it goes beyond that and people have to be protected from them, but to be unable to see the humanity in all is a detriment. It narrows our world, and makes the "us v. them" mentality and de-humanizing of others all too easy.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:40 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
If we could only see past their words and actions...

If only we could SURVIVE past their words & actions, ya mean.

The laughing Chrisisall

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM (P)

I don't like Cheney. In fact, I think he has done horrible things, things for his own selfish gain and he has deluded himself into thinking it's for the good of America as a whole. I would like to see justice visited upon him.

Not waterboarding, because two wrongs don't make a right. I have trouble with the ethics of imprisonment or capital punishment for the same reason. But I have such bias against him that I would not trust myself to carry out punishment.

If I wanted to be perfectly and completely fair considering how angry I get with Cheney and what I'd LIKE to do sometimes, Exile is more than good enough. Stick him on a boat, water tight and reasonably comfortable, with electricity, AC and/or heating, with a bed and toiletries. Give him a fishing pole and bait box. Give him a gun for any situations that might come up, or if his existence becomes too miserable. And tell him to get the hell off our land. Tell him if he ever sets foot on soil, ANY soil, of ANY nation, that he will be shot with no discrimination on sight.

This is how much I am DONE with Dick Cheney.

That said, a heart attack isn't justice. A heart attack is something very close to human mortality and the end of life, something we all must face, and something we all must feel some empathy for. So I did not, and WILL NOT join in all the jokes here.

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:00 PM (P)

Chris: Yes, that too. But in individual dealings, if we could just always see the humanity FIRST, our opinions and how we act would be improved, I believe.

Byte: Fair enough. Everyone has to decide for themselves. Given the jokes are harmless, I don't mind engaging. Otherwise, you're right.

I don't see exile as working. The world is too complex and he's still got friends (weird as that seems!); someone would help him...besides, the cost of watching him to make sure he never came ashore isn't worth it.

Me, I'm for imprisonment, somewhere he can do no more harm--maybe Gitmo? I have a certain amount of pity for the man; I am convinced he BELIEVES the things he says and does, but as we know, people with power who think only they know what is right for others are the most dangerous of all! Somehow I have no doubt he will still have influence, if not on this administration, on some future one, and THAT scares the hell out of me!

Beyond that, I would just like UNCHANGEABLE history to record him as he is, for what he's done and what he's said. That would be punishment enough, sorta; he may not care what the populace thinks of him, but I think he'd not like seeing everything out there, disproven and judged, for all history.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
in individual dealings, if we could just always see the humanity FIRST, our opinions and how we act would be improved, I believe.

True, however warped he might be, he is still a human being (wow that was harder to type than I'd imagined...).

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:01 PM (P)

He may be a human being, but as I've pointed out before, Hitler was a human being, too. So was Saddam. So was Pol Pot. Tim McVeigh was absolutely human, and served his military with more distinction than did Cheney.

That said, I wouldn't shed a single tear for ANY of them. I don't suddenly forgive and forget someone's evil deeds the day they get sick or die.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:21 PM (P)

Yeah, Chris, I had a hard time writing that too! It's really hard with some to remember their humanity, but I think it's vital that we do so.

No, Mike, it's not about forgiving and forgetting at all. What they DO can be evil as hell, it's just about remembering they're human, too, and subject to all the kinds of things that made US who we are, too.

Doesn't mean DO anything, doesn't mean forgiving the horrible things they do, just means keeping in mind that they're human. If we could just all remember that, it would make a major change in humanity...we would still fight against them, but we wouldn't be as quick to de-humanize them. At least that's what I believe.

HERO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:37 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Aren't you one of the ones cheerleading torture of people simply on the basis of them not having any constitutional rights?

Everyone in US Custody has a measure of Constitutional rights. Some rights are expressly reserved to citizens, others are expressly reserved to persons.

One, I do not support torture of anyone.

Two, I do not define torture as broadly as you do.

Three, the Constitution allows a person to be deprived of their life, liberty, and property so long as they are given Due Process of Law. I read this to mean that should a person get a hearing before a neutral magistrate and the law is followed, then anything (within said law and subject to the magistrate's restraint) goes.

Four, the Supreme Court has said that the Constitution is not a suicide pact and I agree. While I do not support torture, I would allow it under specific exigent circumstances (ie a bomb is going to explode killing x number of people and Jack has to hurt somebody to stop it...I'm ok with that).

Its hardly cheerleading...its tragic at best.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

HERO

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sorry, but I don't see much difference between Bin Laden & Cheney.
The fact that you do is most disturbing.
But, you is what you is...

Lets start with the beard...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:02 PM (P)

Maybe the 6th time will be the charm.

Let's all send him a nice big basket of "Get Well Bacon Cheeseburgers".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

Two, I do not define torture as broadly as you do.

...Or the Government did until Dubya wanted to torture folks.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:03 PM (P)

Actually, my feelings on it are pretty close to yours, Miss Byte - problem is, I know just how stupid *not finishing the job* is, having seen it politically bite us on the ass again and again.

Quick, Clean, Dispassionate.

Every instant one spends screwing around is one more chance for the opportunity to be wasted, and emotional investment in revenge for the sake of itself is the very pointless madness that feeds the cycle.

If someone has reached the point where they have warped, twisted or destroyed their own humanity to the point where they are that much of a threat to their fellow man, and it comes to such an impasse...

The only thing you should feel, is recoil.

-F

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:23 PM (P)

I'm glad the VP is doing well and hope he gets back on his feet real soon.

If 5 can't take him down.... I say props to the man!

Live longer and prosper!

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:47 PM (P)

Quote:
Actually, my feelings on it are pretty close to yours, Miss Byte

Ooops, apologies Byte; I never know who's female or male here until someone indicates it.

What I have found most interesting is that there appear to be more men here than women! That's not been true of any website I've ever been on, and it intrigues me. To no particular purpose...

KWICKO

Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:22 AM (P)

Ponder this for a moment: Here is a man who is so hated and reviled that even his own organs rise up and attack him!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ponder this for a moment: Here is a man who is so hated and reviled that even his own organs rise up and attack him!

Completely fabricated and baseless hate, but I guess if that's the best y'all got.....

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:37 AM (P)

Frem, Niki: Well, that suggestion was mostly for the scenario that every last one of Cheney and his friends have ALREADY fallen from grace, and assuming the entire rest of the population is out for their heads. Then maybe we could afford to show them the humanity they refused to show so many other people, and keep the moral high ground.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:57 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ponder this for a moment: Here is a man who is so hated and reviled that even his own organs rise up and attack him!

Humans are prone to disease later in life. Depressed and/or angry peeps more so. Twisted pieces of s**t seem to live forever (barring bullet to the brainpan a la Hitler, or rope-a-dope a la Saddam).
If Cheney is truly evil (as I suspect), he will be just fine.

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Frem, Niki: Well, that suggestion was mostly for the scenario that every last one of Cheney and his friends have ALREADY fallen from grace, and assuming the entire rest of the population is out for their heads. Then maybe we could afford to show them the humanity they refused to show so many other people, and keep the moral high ground.

If there was even hope of them being held to account for their crimes...

I might agree

As they are above the law, they'll get absolutely no sympathy from me.

See Dick Hang

Hang Dick Hang

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:28 AM (P)

These two scenes come to mind...

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:20 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Frem, Niki: Well, that suggestion was mostly for the scenario that every last one of Cheney and his friends have ALREADY fallen from grace, and assuming the entire rest of the population is out for their heads. Then maybe we could afford to show them the humanity they refused to show so many other people, and keep the moral high ground.

A creditable thought, but a wasted one, sociopaths have no ability to appreciate such a thing, never will, all they'll see is a weakness to exploit and to their dying day will never stop trying to.

Neither can we afford it, there's still too many gleeful jackboot licking enablers in our society - although thankfully less and less would-be tyrants as the "old guard" dies off and the would-be successors are woefully and laughably incompetent due to the fact that whether they realize it or not, they're *not* true sociopaths, but emulators*(1), and as such have enough humanity left in them that it keeps tripping up their nefarious plans.

Like I said, a race between sanity and self-destruction.

Of all the "old guard", the only one who I am really concerned about is Rumsfeld, cause unlike the rest of them neo-con squeazels, he actually has a pair, and is competent besides - plus he has a fat chunk of money by way of repeating his 1976 "swine flu" dirty tricks, although I bet less than he expected since he made the mistake of trying to pull that stunt again while folks who remembered it the first time were still alive, and pushing too hard, too fast against folk who were already suspicious as hell of having their buttons pushed that way.

The boiled frog trick doesn't work so well once the frogs know what's going on.

Anyhows, I too would *prefer* your concept, but long experience learned the hard way has taught me that such mercy is a critical mistake which future generations always seem to wind up paying for... dearly.

So I'd say give em to me, and let the sin be mine alone.

Todays and tomorrows children need, and deserve, a future composed of something more than our failures.

-Frem
The Board of Governors: This seems a steep price for so small a service: to crush a powerless cripple.

Tan'elKoth: Doubly fools. He does have power. One power: the power to devote himself absolutely to a single goal, to be ruthless with himself and all else in its pursuit. It is the only power he needs - because, unlike the great mass of men, he is aware of this power, and he is willing, even happy, to use it.

*(1) Sociopathic behavior as a learned survival/defense mechanism is a very different thing than true sociopathy, since it is a *conditioned* response, as opposed to in-born, and tends to fall apart quickly under pressure in an environment where it's a disadvantage - they may thrive in public schools, but in a sudbury model school's social environment, they'd be bottom rung and it would no longer be a useful survival trait, thus the conditioning will collapse, we've already seen this and proven it out.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:34 AM (P)

BTW: I Liked Mr. Morden.

But then I did side with the Shadows from the very start, as it wasn't THEM that started meddling, and they were extremely restrained in their initial responses to it - they were willing, to a point, to leave the other races the hell *alone* and let them develop as they would, so long as they did not feel threatened.

Not so the Vorlons, no, they HAD to be in charge, they HAD to meddle, even to the point of setting up races for their own destruction instead of development by using them as proxy weapons despite the Shadows having done nothing but, yanno, continue to exist - and *knowing* what provoking them would do, went and manipulated the younger races into doing exactly that, then all but abandoned them as the cannon fodder they were being used as.
*hisssss*

Not that I think he was a decent fellow, but yeah, I did like Mr Morden, and when you actually think it through, EVERYONE who asked him for something got *exactly what they wanted*, even Vir, did they not ?
(For the record though, Vir not only showed real spine about it, he also showed more sense than anyone else who dealt with him)

La Mordida: The art of bribing someone in such a fashion as to make the bribe they ask for worthless, dangerous, or an injury to them.

-F

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:00 AM (P)

I was simply thinking in terms of putting someones head on a pike as an example for generations to come...

But I do like you analysis

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:10 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
BTW: I Liked Mr. Morden.

But then I did side with the Shadows from the very start, as it wasn't THEM that started meddling, and they were extremely restrained in their initial responses to it - they were willing, to a point, to leave the other races the hell *alone* and let them develop as they would, so long as they did not feel threatened.

Not so the Vorlons, no, they HAD to be in charge, they HAD to meddle, even to the point of setting up races for their own destruction instead of development by using them as proxy weapons despite the Shadows having done nothing but, yanno, continue to exist - and *knowing* what provoking them would do, went and manipulated the younger races into doing exactly that, then all but abandoned them as the cannon fodder they were being used as.
*hisssss*

Not that I think he was a decent fellow, but yeah, I did like Mr Morden, and when you actually think it through, EVERYONE who asked him for something got *exactly what they wanted*, even Vir, did they not ?
(For the record though, Vir not only showed real spine about it, he also showed more sense than anyone else who dealt with him)

La Mordida: The art of bribing someone in such a fashion as to make the bribe they ask for worthless, dangerous, or an injury to them.

-F

Damn, you made me want to go rewatch the show now...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:31 AM (P)

Weird Al

Heart Attack Number Five

Lyrics

Ladies and gentle men im having heart attack number five!

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, it�s a miracle im still alive
I eat 15 meals a day
im wanted by the USRDA
i don�t eat healthy or tofu or soy
i want to eat the Pillsbury doo boy
i love eat�n i just cant stop
i just ate Toney Tiger, Snap, Crackle, and Pop
like a sumo wrestler that�s how i feel
i want to eat the oscar myner wiener mo byle
after dinner ill eat a snack
i could hide cave moss in my crack

(chorus)
A little bit of pizza in my life
give me a little sour cream on the side
A boul of gravy all i need
an order of french fries just for me
a couple cheese burgers in the sun
ill have gas panes all night long
i want to wash down with a bottle of whine
and give me a six pack and ill feel fine

give me a hook or a steak
give me a piece of pork(hic up)
give me a side of bacon
WAAAAAAAAA

get in my belly!

Waa jump up jump down
on to the ground
put your hands on your heart
and flop all around
spase all around
spase out to the left
spase out to the right
put your arms in the air
and move them every where
twitch around once
twitch around twice
if your fropin at the mouth
then your doing it right!

(chorus)

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:59 AM (P)

It's always worth a re-watch, Story, kinda like Firefly, it's quality endures such, and there's always so many little things to pick up on in later watchings.

I will say that it changes the whole "tone" of the great war when you KNOW what the Vorlons game was ahead of time, and look beyond them (deliberately) playing on cultural mythos to elevate themselves in the opinion of the younger races...

Tends to leave one pretty pissed at them, not that the Shadows are all so much better, but at least they leave alone till they feel threatened, at which point they tend to lean toward the "Ender Wiggin" defense - scorched earth covered by dust and ashes, and ZERO chance of said opponent ever getting a second bite.

Both races are based on Jungian concepts anyways, and the Trickster (Morden, in this case) is a Shadow concept to begin with - one reason I always found it so interesting, cause they did their homework on the series.

So go on, and look past the physical appearances, at the actions of the parties involved once you know their reasons, and see if you can manage to *not* despise the Vorlons...

Cause I certainly couldn't.

-F

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:01 AM (P)

Actually, imma expound on that some more...
(slow night at work, here.)

One of the reasons I like Morden is cause of my assertion that one of the cruelest, meanest things you can do to a person is find out what their hearts desire is, find out what they really WANT, and then...
GIVE IT TO THEM!, give it to em good and hard!

Which is, you think about it, exactly what Morden does.

Key to dealin with that isn't just standing your ground like Vyr did, that only works when you're not important enough to take an interest in, nooo, what you do, is do a couple favors for THEM, unasked, just bein polite, etc etc...

And you never, EVER let them balance the scales - the way their logic works this actively prevents them from cooking up any justification to do unto you, and boy oh boy will they SEETHE, they will hate you for this, while being the very example of politeness and tact, outwardly.

But yeah, they will HATE you, kinda like the cute girl/boy in school whos sexual advances you blew off cause you knew they had nasty ulterior motives, if you had done so after dinner, a movie and a really pleasant evening.

Schemers can't stand having their plans bollixed like that.

======

Also, wanna make it clear what my viewpoint on the other thing was.

I see the Vorlons as downright bad guys, and the Shadows as angry, nasty, seriously provoked neutrals, and here's why.

They were set to watch and protect, not to interfere beyond perhaps subtle and indirect guidance, only if necessary.

The Vorlons *immediately* broke that agreement, before the ink was even dry, kinda like a certain country regarding settlement agreements...

And while playin on cultural and psychological exploitation, they did NOT wish to elevate the other species, but rather to keep them "in their place" as subservient and easy to control - this is made clear beyond doubt when an opportunity that might bring them closer to Vorlons in advancement becomes potentially available and the Vorlons IMMEDIATELY destroy it, with the usual "not ready" line of crap, cause they didn't want the younger races ever being a threat to their dominance.

Now bear in mind, that from the very outset, their fundamental intention was to commit Xenocide against another species simply because their mere existence was a threat to that dominance.

Seriously, pretense of noble intentions be damned, their own behavior condemns them utterly, especially as even *after* the cessation of hostilities, Kosh's pet sleeper agent (Lyta) blows up the Shadow homeworld - something Sheridan calls her on.

I think it's a tremendous credit to the quality of the writing and skill of the writers that they carry it off so perfectly as intended, cause on the first viewing, knowing none of this and limited only to the perspective of the characters within the story, the Vorlons come off as somewhat put-upon good guys trying to "protect us from ourselves"...

It's only on the second or third watching, when you know what their intentions are in advance that they start coming across like the complete bastards they really are.

Conversely, the Shadows - look how much vilification and provocation they put up with for quite some time, and when they did act, their initial response was observation, in order to make sure they were facing a realistic threat, and in keeping with the low profile of the agreement despite the Vorlons having broken it at every turn and corner.

Then they chose the indirect route of espionage, sabotage and manipulation, mostly directed at trying to expose the Vorlons and their chicanery to the younger races without getting their hands dirty or sticking their neck out.

Then when it came clear that wasn't going to work, and they perceived that the younger races, with the possible exception of the Centauri, were corrupted beyond saving, the next order of business was standard operating procedure for the mindset - depriving the Vorlons of their cannon fodder in order to force them to take the field themselves.

Which they did, ripping of

HERO

Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:38 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Completely fabricated and baseless hate, but I guess if that's the best y'all got.....

Their hate is real and the basis is that they don't like him...alot. That's their right, but that don't make it right.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Sorry, but I don't see much difference between Bin Laden & Cheney.

Nice one Chris! Do you say that out loud, in public too? Do you say that to your friends and family? I would never have imagined you could make a statement like that. I am highly disappointed, not only with your post, but with the majority of the other posts.

But on the other hand, I am not all that surprised. The partisanship is back in a big way it seems. So many thread subjects are all looking like flame-bait to me lately....postings of blatantly slanted opinions of Fox News, Sarah Palin, Republicans, etc. in an overly obsessive attempt to diminish others' opinions and views; typically with a good dose of disdainful condescension. I honestly felt good progress had been made in recent months to have dialogues here, but these types of threads every day leave me wonderin' why I come here. I don't see much, if any, common ground any longer. All good things.....

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:46 PM (P)

Hero: Um, no, the basis is that a lot of us feel like he manipulated events proceeding up to the Iraq War, and possibly Afghanistan, in order to give Halliburton some very lush military contracts. At the very least, even if he didn't do this, then he comes off as shamelessly opportunistic and very callous towards the lives of soldiers and civilians.

Among other things, I'm sure. But that's probably the big one for most of us.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:59 PM (P)

Jongstraw: It would only be partisan if Chris was a member of Al Qaeda. Liberals and Al Qaeda really aren't the same thing. Even if it seems to the right-wing like they have similar goals, the ideologies are very different and pretty much incompatible. Imagine, say, Hillary Clinton, trying to convince members of Al Qaeda that they shouldn't make their women wear bhurqas. No, seriously, imagine it, I know you guys don't like Hillary, and all the screaming and blood would probably be cathartic for you.

Chris is expressing the opinion that "Liberator," "Insurgent," "Freedom fighter" and "Terrorist" might all be subjective if any of them happen to cause collateral damage or civilian death.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:01 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Completely fabricated and baseless hate, but I guess if that's the best y'all got.....

Their hate is real and the basis is that they don't like him...alot. That's their right, but that don't make it right.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

This coming from the Republicans, the party that handed out Purple Heart Band-Aids at their convention, just to showcase their hatred of John Kerry and their disdain and denigration of his service to his country in a time of war - service that Dick Cheney, to his great and everlasting shame, weaseled out of FIVE TIMES. He's now been paid back in full for the blood on his hands from THAT little escapade. He's now had one heart attack for every person who had to take his place on the field of battle in a war that he outwardly supported while still taking the coward's way out.

Sometimes, there IS justice. Cheney's debt to the Vietnam veterans is now paid in full. We're still waiting for the bill to come due on his other wars. That bill should punch his ticket and stop his ticker for good, and I for one will be glad to see him launched into that great black void.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NIKI2

Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:59 PM (P)

Quote:
But on the other hand, I am not all that surprised. The partisanship is back in a big way it seems. So many posts are all looking like flame-bait to me lately....postings of blatantly slanted opinions of Fox News, Sarah Palin, Republicans, etc. in an overly obsessive attempt to diminish others' opinions and views; typically with a good dose of disdainful condescension. I honestly felt good progress had been made in recent months to have dialogues here, but these types of threads every day leave me wonderin' why I come here. I don't see much, if any, common ground any longer.

Quote:
Their hate is real and the basis is that they don't like him...alot. That's their right, but that don't make it right.

I know which way my ideology leans, but I take offense at having my feelings about Dumbya, Cheney, Palin, Tea Partiers, etc. called "hate". It doesn’t matter, I know it’ll come and there’s nothing I can do about it, but I’m going to speak up nonetheless. About specifics (it’ll be long):

Regarding Faux News. Bill O’Reilly:

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If Al Qaeda comes in here [San Francisco] and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. ... You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead. (11/8/05)

I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence. (2/20/08)

(Of Shawn Hornbeck, kidnapped and sodomized by Mike Devlin) The situation here, for this kid, looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his 'old' parents. He didn't have to go to school, he could run around and do whatever he wanted (1/25/07)

Glenn Beck:

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Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."

Yesterday, Glenn Beck took a pictorial tour of New York City, pointing out instances of decor that were, in his mind, coded references to crypto-fascist-communism-Obamaism. (9/3/09)

Beck compared getting medical care in India to buying a counterfeit “Gucci” handbag on the street.

Regarding Michael McLendon, who killed 10 people in a shooting spree before committing suicide: “Yada yada yada. And every time they do speak out, they’re shut down by political correctness. How do you not have those people turn into that guy?...But what they really described, when they really got down into it, what they said was: “here’s a guy who felt that he had been wronged. He didn’t feel comfortable talking to anybody. He was disgruntled and everything else.” And then he went out and shot a bunch of people.”

Only a few small samples of a huge volume of insane statements. Those aren’t “slanted opinions", they’re their own words. The people on Faux News condemn themselves quite easily, we don’t have to “slant” anything.

On Sarah Palin: She has provided all her own material, from not knowing the Bush Doctrine to not being able to say what she read to the bridge to nowhere to quitting mid-term to using a palm cheat sheet after dissing teleprompters (which she also uses) to cutting out on the people at book signings to ALL the other things which have clearly shown her to be unsuited for office, ignorant of the facts, and out for her own personal gain. I don’t need to take the time to cite the specifics, we’ve all heard them over and over. Again, we don’t have to slant anything; she provides the material herself. Just recently, condemning Emanuel for the use of “retard” in a private meeting yet defending O’Reilly (or Limbaugh? I get them confused) using it in definitely derogatory ways on TV, and not a word abut equally derogatory use of it by a TV show, if I remember correctly?

As to Republicans, I respect Republicans, those who act and speak intelligently. At this time in history the Republicans in our government are acting like children, flatly refusing to engage in legislating our country, lying over and over about “death panels”, Obama’s birth, and so many other things it takes someone blind or stupid NOT to

MINCINGBEAST

Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:01 PM (P)

im sure its been said, time and time again, but without the heart attacks there would be no evidence that mr. cheney had a heart.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:54 PM (P)

Quote:

I’d like to have a snippet of what went on here while Dumbya was in office. I imagine I could make a lot of points by referencing those things, and in some cases, pertinent points were probably made...and I have no DOUBT anyone anti-Bush was ridiculed and demeaned.

Well, if you're ever feeling like doing some digging, there's a little link at the bottom of the forum page that says:

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READ THREADS THAT HAVE BEEN ARCHIVED...

Click on that, and it will almost instantly transport you back in time to early 2004 so you can read the ugliness for yourself.

I showed up in late 2005, after I found Firefly by way of Buffy and Angel, and I was in a bit of a minority then. Rue, Signy, Citizen, and DreamTrove were all around back then, as was Frem, but there were a LOT more hard-right hardheads around here then.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

CHRISISALL

Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:14 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Sorry, but I don't see much difference between Bin Laden & Cheney.

Nice one Chris!

Thank you.
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Do you say that out loud, in public too? Do you say that to your friends and family?
Why, yes, I do in point of fact.
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I would never have imagined you could make a statement like that.
Why?
Look, I had issues aplenty with Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton & Dubya, but I never considered them as evil. Cheney? He not only gets seated in the evil section, he has his own row.
Quote:
I am highly disappointed, not only with your post, but with the majority of the other posts.

But on the other hand, I am not all that surprised. The partisanship is back in a big way it seems. So many thread subjects are all looking like flame-bait to me lately....postings of blatantly slanted opinions of Fox News, Sarah Palin, Republicans, etc. in an overly obsessive attempt to diminish others' opinions and views; typically with a good dose of disdainful condescension.
Some truth there, but some overreaction as well IMO.
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I honestly felt good progress had been made in recent months to have dialogues here
Yes, and MAINLY because of YOU, my friend.
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but these types of threads every day leave me wonderin' why I come here. I don't see much, if any, common ground any longer. All good things.....

This "Liberally" bent board needs a Conservative balance- sometimes Hero provides that (when he's not playing Authoritarian cheerleader), Finn used to until he left in a huff, and YOU are now the strongest & most respected Conservative voice here. We need you.

I said my piece, FWIW.

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:47 PM (P)

Quote:
...and YOU are now the strongest & most respected Conservative voice here. We need you.

Seconded.

We need RIPWash around more, too. And AnthonyT, who tended to lean fairly conservative on many issues, and veered a bit to the left on others, but could almost universally be counted on to have a level-headed dialog, no matter what the issue.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:06 PM (P)

Chris, I appreciate your response and very kind words. But let's face it...I'm not the person to carry the banner of Conservatism here. I just don't have the desire or the stomach to defend many aspects of modern Conservatism. I'm 3/4 traditionalist, and 1/4 progressive. It's not always an easy line to walk.

And Kwicko, when you coming to Fort Lauderdale to have that beer with me?

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:10 PM (P)

Yeah, but is there anyone else here with a conservative bent, even if not 100%, who isn't a nutter?

Who would you recommend as the voice of conservatives? Heck, you not wanting the gig might make you the best choice.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

BYTEMITE

Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:54 PM (P)

Waaaaait...

Quote:
Yeah, but is there anyone else here , even if not 100%, who isn't a nutter?

Ahhh, truth. :)

*Goes and does crazy fan things*

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, but is there anyone else here with a conservative bent, even if not 100%, who isn't a nutter?

Who would you recommend as the voice of conservatives? Heck, you not wanting the gig might make you the best choice.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

I think part of the problem is shoeboxing someone as " a conservative "

you can be a " they can do no wrong " even if you prove it ass like Rappy...

or you can support some of the ideas conservatives have that do have merit,

fiscal conservatives have a huge place, as they are usually the ones who pose the questions, look at this program, is that pricetag worth the result...

or when questions about individual rights vs group rights come up some very important points are made.

But the entire right side of the political spectrum has been hijacked by people pushing a non progressive... even a non conservative ( in the traditional sense ) position.

I think it is positive some conservatives are stepping away from this, as it probably doesn't represent their views honestly anyway.

After all, with the recent Republican Presidents..

lets say Reagan, Bush, and Bush Redux

has any of the above really been about ( other than in their talking points ) smaller government, or personal freedoms, or responsible representation....

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

AURAPT0R

Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:28 PM (P)

I apologizz to everyone I have offended here,

I have recently beeen aware that I have become more and more ir=rrational and confrontation over time.

My nurse hass told me I have beenn takin the wrong pills for some thimes now. I hopes that now as IAM back onto my correct medications I can goon bac to paritcpating in sane discustions with all yous again

I now noes Bush whas a stupid person, hoo did bad adn meaan thinggs he shountnt hav.

I hoops all yous can forrgives me

CHRISISALL

Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

I think part of the problem is shoeboxing someone as " a conservative "

I actually feel that I've become quite Conservative in many of my views in the last few years, it's when I talk to jokers like RAPdog that I feel Liberal.

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:26 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURAPT0R:
I apologizz to everyone I have offended here

No, not originally posted by me.

Cloned, t'was I. Ahh yes, if first the childish attempts to silence me fail, try what ever you can.

What next... ring and run my front door ? late night calls to my home, followed by girlish giggles and hanging up the phone ?

Wow.... as Riddick would say

" Petty, Tombs.

Very petty. "

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:54 PM (P)

"Cloned"... HOW?

I'm actually with Rappy on this one. Hit "Reply with quote" on that response, and the username comes up AURAPTOR, all caps. Hit "Reply with quote" on Rappy's posts, and it comes up AURaptor.

But as a pre-emptive strike, I tried to register KWICKO (all caps) and kwicko (all lowers), and it tells me those are already taken. For the record, I'm Kwicko - upper AND lower.

But the board only shows usernames in all caps, and the way the user himself (or herself; we don't judge) capitalizes only comes up if you reply with quote, or on the front of the forums page for most recent users.

Weird. And more than a little troubling.

Oh, and the user AURAPTOR only registered today.

I'm not down with this.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, February 26, 2010 12:16 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

I think part of the problem is shoeboxing someone as " a conservative "

I actually feel that I've become quite Conservative in many of my views in the last few years, it's when I talk to jokers like RAPdog that I feel Liberal.

The laughing Chrisisall

Thats why I consider myself to be in the center...

I could go left or right depending on the issue

It is really too bad none of the political partys I know of do that, but stick with a general ideology...

but that is the problem with a two or three party system... from what I have seen of many European governments they have coalition govs of several partys, and need to tone the ideology more to match what the base really wants

makes more sense to me

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

PIRATENEWS

Friday, February 26, 2010 12:59 AM (P)

Borg assimilates Cheney, or Cheney assimilates Borg?

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 26, 2010 1:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Cloned"... HOW?

I would assume he cloned himself for further attention- if not, then yeah, kinda childish & unnecessary.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 26, 2010 1:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Thats why I consider myself to be in the center...

I could go left or right depending on the issue

Me too. Socially Liberal, fiscally (& environmentally) Conservative, generally.

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, February 26, 2010 1:41 AM (P)

you raise an interesting point...

what do you mean by " environmentally Conservative "

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:08 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
you raise an interesting point...

what do you mean by " environmentally Conservative "

I mean to say that we must conserve the environment, as in regulate & limit ocean dumping of crap that kills fish, and, in turn, us. Curtail deforestation (particularly the Amazon, which cleans our air, we kinda need it).
Like that.
To be truly Conservative means that you don't advocate pissing away your long term *needed* resources in favour of short term gain.

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:17 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
you raise an interesting point...

what do you mean by " environmentally Conservative "

I mean to say that we must conserve the environment, as in regulate & limit ocean dumping of crap that kills fish, and, in turn, us. Curtail deforestation (particularly the Amazon, which cleans our air, we kinda need it).
Like that.

The laughing Chrisisall

thats " environmentally Conservative ? "

that is what I thought...

but the last republican president had a rather different view

http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=bush_enviro_record

it should be the conservatives who lose it on his record, especially on environmental issues

So how Bush and Cheney and their ilk not called to account to their own base ?

CPAC shouldn't be welcoming them to speak, rather calling them to account...

the words Conservative, and Republican shouldn't be used to describe the folk running the right anymore...

Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

KWICKO

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:23 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Cloned"... HOW?

I would assume he cloned himself for further attention- if not, then yeah, kinda childish & unnecessary.

The laughing Chrisisall

But I don't see HOW he would have "cloned himself" - it really IS a different username, it would seem, and an account just created today, while the real Rappy has been here since '04.

And I tried it on my own username, and I couldn't get it to go. I'm concerned - not just for Rappy, but for all of us here. It has the appearance of a breach of security that I don't think any of us would be happy about if it happened to us.

I'll scrap with the guy, I'll get in a knock-down drag-out fight, but crap like this just isn't right. There are RULES to war, you know. :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

KWICKO

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

And at last you realize what the C's in CPAC stand for... Corporate Political Action Corporation!

Why else did you think they all lined up to speak there?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

CUDA77

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Cloned"... HOW?

I would assume he cloned himself for further attention- if not, then yeah, kinda childish & unnecessary.

The laughing Chrisisall

But I don't see HOW he would have "cloned himself" - it really IS a different username, it would seem, and an account just created today, while the real Rappy has been here since '04.

And I tried it on my own username, and I couldn't get it to go. I'm concerned - not just for Rappy, but for all of us here. It has the appearance of a breach of security that I don't think any of us would be happy about if it happened to us.

I'll scrap with the guy, I'll get in a knock-down drag-out fight, but crap like this just isn't right. There are RULES to war, you know. :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

Click on the new one's username and it comes up like so:

"AUrapt0r"

So that's how I'm assuming they got around it, with the 0 instead of the O.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:31 AM (P)

See, this is where tech dinosaurs like me who used to collate punch cards come in handy.

It's a zero, Mikey.

RAPT0R instead of RAPTOR.

Neither one is Kosher, but only one is fake.

-F

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:31 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

the words Conservative, and Republican shouldn't be used to describe the folk running the right anymore...

Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

Total agreement here.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
.

Neither one is Kosher, but only one is fake.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Frem, you're killin' me here!

The laughing Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:37 AM (P)

seen this and saved it for Frem

RUE

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:39 AM (P)

0 zero
O oh
l small ell
1 one

I find it interestingly clever. I wonder who dun it ?

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, February 26, 2010 2:39 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

the words Conservative, and Republican shouldn't be used to describe the folk running the right anymore...

Just call them the corporate interests party and be done with it

Total agreement here.

The laughing Chrisisall

what do you think JONGSSTRAW ?

or anyone on the reasonable right ?

KWICKO

Friday, February 26, 2010 3:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

See, this is where tech dinosaurs like me who used to collate punch cards come in handy.

It's a zero, Mikey.

RAPT0R instead of RAPTOR.

Neither one is Kosher, but only one is fake.

-F

Well, son of a bitch. I didn't catch that. Thanks Cuda77 and Frem for pointing that out to me - or "schooling" me on that, which I'm sure Out2Lunch will take 100% credit for. ;)

Still, wonder who it was. I actually don't think it WAS Rappy.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

KWICKO

Friday, February 26, 2010 3:17 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
.

Neither one is Kosher, but only one is fake.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Frem, you're killin' me here!

The laughing Chrisisall

Agreed.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

KWICKO

Friday, February 26, 2010 3:26 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
0 zero
O oh
l small ell
1 one

I find it interestingly clever. I wonder who dun it ?

***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

As for who done it, 'tweren't I. My sockpuppet is the Spelling Fairy, and that's enough to keep up with!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

DICKCHENEY

Friday, February 26, 2010 3:50 AM (P)

Ceiling Cheney iz watchin ur posts

Go Fuck Yourself!

CHRISISALL

Friday, February 26, 2010 4:01 AM (P)

Is this a sock-pupptet attack?

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, February 26, 2010 4:19 AM (P)

I guess we should be glad they're not sharing their term-paper-writing sites with us...

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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