Imponderables: Oh Baby...

POSTED BY: nvghostrider
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 17:46
VIEWED: 17837
PAGE 1 of 2

1 2 NEXT PAGE LAST PAGE

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, May 31, 2010 6:33 PM

We have so many babies in our family or on the way and I can only focus on the one and little else. How do people do it?

Previous thread:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=43055&m=780702#top

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

NAVYSEILS

Monday, May 31, 2010 8:38 PM

First....

and there's quite a few babies in my family and friends circles just now too. I have a hard time remembering sometimes. I had no idea who the baby in my house was last week. It was a second cousin, and apparently I'd been her babysitter before too.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 5:37 AM

Late night

tired but can't sleep

Sprinkles on the back porch

still too hot in here

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

MSA

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 7:31 PM

Yeah I have a whole new respect for single moms..one weekend without NV and I was very near the raggety edge...
Right now we have one baby Nv's sister just gave birth to twins a week ago. His other sister has 3 under 6 years old, his brother has 3 with a 4th on the way due Dec 12...
My family one on the way due Dec 19th ( weird coincidence there) 2 five year olds, 1 three year old and another baby 3 months older than Johnny. Making a grand total of 7 siblings( counting us too) with a total of 14 kids under the age of 6 .... YIKES

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 8:13 PM

My goodness, that's a lot of little rugrats in one family!! But I have to say having a big family, especially with little kids to make gatherings interesting, is loads of fun. :) I can't imagine what it would be like if I had a small family :(
(though I know mine is still probably small compared to some others)

MSA

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 8:41 PM

Ok I finally broke down and got a 3G phone... mainly because of work. I am all over the place at a variety of schools and I need to be able to check email and send responses and files and I can't from my current phone. Plus at this point I juggle phone and palm pilot and it's getting on my nerves.... so Driod it is:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 8:47 PM

yay MsA can post will driving now! It will never be quiet in here again.

MSA

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 8:57 PM

Surely you jest... Nv would kill me, but I can post from meetings ( of which I seem to have 20 per day) so that will help keep me happy:)

Also I can have pics and video of Johnny ...YAY

Oh and I found a mug you really need
http://www.cafepress.com/+himym_awesome_mug,198731274

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 9:11 PM

Nice! That is if I drank things that go in mugs.

TRAVELER

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 10:33 PM

I can't relate. Our family is small. The next generation of babies won't be until 10 or 15 years from now and I will be so old that remembering names their will be the least of my problems. My family got spread across the landscape long before I was born. The Depression and Dustbowl sent them off to find work and they now populate the west coast and the midwest. A few stayed in Nebraska. But even now the opportunities are small in that state. Only two small cities and the rest are farm towns. So each generation tends to leave for better opportunities.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

SIMPLYAKY

Tuesday, June 1, 2010 11:13 PM

Zeek- Well, can't all liquid things go in a mug?

About babies, I have a couple baby cousins, but I don't see that half of the family very often (well, I don't see any family other than the rents very often but that's not the point), so... yeah, I can't really relate with the baby craziness either

MSA

Wednesday, June 2, 2010 6:30 PM

It's kind of like being surrounded by a sweet smelling ,laughing tornado that you totally can't take your eyes off ( not because it's captivating so much as because if you do something bad will happen)

HUGS Zeek- pretty sure you can put coke in a mug:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, June 2, 2010 7:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
HUGS Zeek- pretty sure you can put coke in a mug:)

But it already comes in a nice container all its own. If you pour it into something else then you have to wash that something else. What a pain!

MSA

Wednesday, June 2, 2010 7:13 PM

LOL Zeek.. ok you have a point. cafe press also had an awesome Swarley shirt and one that has Barney on the front and Larney on the back....

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, June 2, 2010 9:20 PM

So, here's a ponder. When does something become your own fault and when should the blame be passed around?

I saw this article on yahoo news this morning: http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/109701/placing-the-
blame-as-students-are-buried-in-debt?mod=edu-collegeprep

It just seems silly to me that the whole point of the article is finding someone to place blame on. Why isn't the girl taking any of the blame? Sure she was young when she made the decisions but I wasn't a blithering imbecile when I was entering college. I'm pretty sure I could at least do some simple math of looking up starting salaries for my major and then figuring out how much debt I'd be in due to tuition.

I'm ok with them pointing out that her mom could have helped her more in making the decisions. I can see how a kid will take their parents word on a lot of these types of decisions.

Blaming the school and the bank? Why would either of them step in to tell someone not to give them business? "I don't think you can afford $200,000 in tuition over 4 years. Maybe you should give your money to one of our competitors." Not happening. They also point out that student loans are very difficult to default on. So, to the bank it's a pretty solid investment. I don't see them as doing anything wrong. They're just looking out for their own interests. They didn't force her into anything.

I just don't see the point of looking for someone else to blame in that situation. Does it do any good? Not really. It's still the girl's problem. She needs to figure out a plan to solve it. She also needs to move out of an expensive city and start lowering her monthly expenses if she ever wants to make any progress.

/rant

Am I alone in this thinking?

TRAVELER

Wednesday, June 2, 2010 9:59 PM

I am with you Zeek. I don't clean dishes. A Coke can works perdectly. Also the mug will be warm and coke should be served cold. Ice only waters down the Coke.

As for tuition. The tuition was probably not bad when she first enrolled, but they go up every year. You have one or two years in and now you are caught. You need to finish in a local school that will be less expensive.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 3, 2010 12:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
So, here's a ponder. When does something become your own fault and when should the blame be passed around?

I saw this article on yahoo news this morning: http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/109701/placing-the-
blame-as-students-are-buried-in-debt?mod=edu-collegeprep

It just seems silly to me that the whole point of the article is finding someone to place blame on. Why isn't the girl taking any of the blame? Sure she was young when she made the decisions but I wasn't a blithering imbecile when I was entering college. I'm pretty sure I could at least do some simple math of looking up starting salaries for my major and then figuring out how much debt I'd be in due to tuition.

I'm ok with them pointing out that her mom could have helped her more in making the decisions. I can see how a kid will take their parents word on a lot of these types of decisions.

Blaming the school and the bank? Why would either of them step in to tell someone not to give them business? "I don't think you can afford $200,000 in tuition over 4 years. Maybe you should give your money to one of our competitors." Not happening. They also point out that student loans are very difficult to default on. So, to the bank it's a pretty solid investment. I don't see them as doing anything wrong. They're just looking out for their own interests. They didn't force her into anything.

I just don't see the point of looking for someone else to blame in that situation. Does it do any good? Not really. It's still the girl's problem. She needs to figure out a plan to solve it. She also needs to move out of an expensive city and start lowering her monthly expenses if she ever wants to make any progress.

/rant

Am I alone in this thinking?

Zeek...it's too bad you aren't 10 years older. ;)

I totally agree with you. I recently listened to my landlord, who while "asset rich" is $$$ poor, tell me how his oldest of three wants to go to a private college. If she doesn't go there, she's going to stay home and go to a JC...she's got no second choice school. She's also being a terror in her later teens and he wants to give her the opportunity to go where she wants...AND wants her out of the house. But the debt load she'd take on for a career path as an overseas missionary (it's a private christian college). Yoinks. Not a great idea to borrow to make her dream come true. I'd be sitting the kid down and telling her that her career dreams are not going to happen via that route. State school, here she comes.

We've gotten to the point where a college education is expected. The sad thing is that it isn't often necessary and people are going into huge amounts of debt for something that they may never use. I could be doing my job without a degree...a lot of my co-workers are. I'm sorry, but religious/women's studies? What do you think you're going to be doing with that degree? If you're going to take on a huge debt load, the earning potential at the end better be significant.

I did learn a lot in college, but most of it wasn't in the classroom. I would've appreciated graduating without $50k in debt, especially since I've only used my college education for approximately 5 weeks... I wouldn't trade my time in college for anything, but that doesn't mean I would do it over again, especially when it is getting so expensive.

On a shallow side note: That girls debt troubles are catching up to her. She looks like she's about 40, rather than mid-twenties.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Thursday, June 3, 2010 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Zeek...it's too bad you aren't 10 years older. ;)

I totally agree with you. I recently listened to my landlord, who while "asset rich" is $$$ poor, tell me how his oldest of three wants to go to a private college. If she doesn't go there, she's going to stay home and go to a JC...she's got no second choice school. She's also being a terror in her later teens and he wants to give her the opportunity to go where she wants...AND wants her out of the house. But the debt load she'd take on for a career path as an overseas missionary (it's a private christian college). Yoinks. Not a great idea to borrow to make her dream come true. I'd be sitting the kid down and telling her that her career dreams are not going to happen via that route. State school, here she comes.

We've gotten to the point where a college education is expected. The sad thing is that it isn't often necessary and people are going into huge amounts of debt for something that they may never use. I could be doing my job without a degree...a lot of my co-workers are. I'm sorry, but religious/women's studies? What do you think you're going to be doing with that degree? If you're going to take on a huge debt load, the earning potential at the end better be significant.

I did learn a lot in college, but most of it wasn't in the classroom. I would've appreciated graduating without $50k in debt, especially since I've only used my college education for approximately 5 weeks... I wouldn't trade my time in college for anything, but that doesn't mean I would do it over again, especially when it is getting so expensive.

On a shallow side note: That girls debt troubles are catching up to her. She looks like she's about 40, rather than mid-twenties.

Yeah I agree with you about the cost of a college education. It's really getting ridiculous. I could go on a long rant about federal loans too. Basically if you save up for college they stiff you on federal loans. Does that seem right? Cause it sure seemed like a kick in the crotch to me. "oh you worked a ton in high school to save up. Well we're going to punish you now." wtf!?! Sorry I better just let that one go.

lol about her looking 40. That just shows that she is the one who has to deal with the problem now. No matter who they want to blame. To me placing blame like that is just a cop out. It doesn't seem healthy to me. Own the problem and work on a solution. Don't waste time or energy on blame.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, June 3, 2010 3:22 PM

I have to say from experience that there is a ton of merit to education when hiring people. But after dealing with a boss who considered hiring people who looked good on paper, even before interviews, there is much more to be said for experienced and driven individuals. Someone willing to work hard for $8.50 an hour rather than being on public assistance is much more desirable (IMHO) than an "educated" person expecting three extra dollars an hour and resting on their education laurels. Strange how some people believe that the jobs they fall into (or are hiring for) are made so much easier with a degree or two rather than working in a related field and continuing their education.
How much of the American work force actually requires any amount of degrees? Sure is a good place to start. But (again IMHO) I strongly believe that people with a high school education and some college credit should be hired on with partial tuition payment as an incentive. When already working in a related field with the ability to advance in an already established workplace offers much more personal security than the systems used in most companies.
I know this might not work for many companies or businesses, but it sure would be worth looking into. After nearly ten years in an organization that expected all their employees to advance up the chain under the scrutiny of dismissal I can say that belief is detrimental to keeping a stable work force. If an employee decides to do the required amount of work with an occasional cost of living increase and the ability to secure raises based on merit, cool.
After watching people do their job well and with a smile for five to ten years only to be given the ultimatum of "Move up or move out", well, piss on that. Experienced are worth ten times the amount of new hires. Literally.

Crap. Ranting. Back to baby squeals and tiny teeth gnawing through a knuckle or two.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

ZEEK

Thursday, June 3, 2010 4:23 PM

NVG, yeah I think work experience trumps education any day. The only useful thing about a degree is getting your first real job. Once you've got that the diploma might as well be toilet paper IMO.

MSA

Thursday, June 3, 2010 6:57 PM

I have multiple degrees... I use almost nothing from any of them except while watching trivia game shows...experience trumps knowledge any time!!!

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 3, 2010 7:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
To me placing blame like that is just a cop out. It doesn't seem healthy to me. Own the problem and work on a solution. Don't waste time or energy on blame.

Absolutely!

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Thursday, June 3, 2010 9:42 PM

Well at least I'm not alone in thinking like this. To me that article completely missed the mark. Assigning blame should not have been the focus. If anything it should have been a cautionary tale to parents and prospective college students about things to look out for.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Friday, June 4, 2010 2:11 AM

I see both sides of the story. I myself am angry at life because of my student loans too. I don't have experience because I was getting an education, but if I didn't get that education, you'd call me out on that.

I'm actually on my way to getting another degree, because I want to do something different in life. But the college is much cheaper, and I got a pretty good grant from them. So at the end it will only be a couple thousand more. It doesn't really make much of a difference when you're already 50K in the hole with student loans.

But also, it seems like she took out more money than she needed and didn't care. Also her being on her own probably doesn't help. Yeah it sucks to live with parents, but I know I can't afford to be on my own and pay bills, so I don't.

P.S. I hope loan stress didn't do that to me! She DOES look way older! :o/

ZEEK

Friday, June 4, 2010 2:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:
I see both sides of the story. I myself am angry at life because of my student loans too. I don't have experience because I was getting an education, but if I didn't get that education, you'd call me out on that.

I think the best career move I made in college was doing a work/study type program. After my sophomore year I worked for a company over the summer and straight through the fall semester. Then I was supposed to go back to school for a semester and then go back to school and basically go back and forth between work and school and take 5 years to graduate. Didn't work out that way as the tech bubble burst after that first work session. Still it got me a bunch of experience that helped me land another internship which led to a job offer after I graduated only one semester late.

So, basically it still came down to experience getting me a job. All the college did was hook me up with job fairs where I could land the work study job and the internship. Amazing how much I had to pay for so little.

RUGBUG

Friday, June 4, 2010 4:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:

But also, it seems like she took out more money than she needed and didn't care. Also her being on her own probably doesn't help. Yeah it sucks to live with parents, but I know I can't afford to be on my own and pay bills, so I don't.

Yes...and she went to a school that she couldn't afford in the first place...with a course of study that didn't offer a high salary afterward. If you're going to rack up that much debt to go to a big name school, the degree you're getting better lead to a big job to pay off that debt. There was no way this woman was going to be making enough to pay her loans as a photographer.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Friday, June 4, 2010 5:59 PM

True, I do blame myself a little. I have a degree that I don't want to work in anymore (criminology). But I was in my third year in school when I changed my mind, I wasn't about to start all over again. That's why I'm going back.

But yeah, if I were going to NYU, I'd def would have picked a more lucrative study.

Rugbug, I did a work study too, but it was really just for financial aid, it had nothing to do with my major. Though I LOVED working in the library.

If money were no object I think I'd go back for library science. The university here has a program for it but it's hella expensive. So I'm going for IT at one of the trade schools instead.

I do love working with computers.

MSA

Friday, June 4, 2010 6:39 PM

Well you know avery you could always do what I did with my criminal psychology degrees ... be a special ed teacher.

Hey first post from new phone

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, June 4, 2010 6:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Hey first post from new phone

While driving and putting on makeup?

5 seconds later:
youtube.com/v/tWk4MCQaHrc&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&fs=1

STINKINGROSE

Friday, June 4, 2010 7:21 PM

Just to butt in on the conversation:

I guess it sort of depends on what you want to do once you're out of school.

After 5.5 years I finally paid off my community college nursing school loans. Now I'm going back to school to pick up science courses I never took when I got my BFA 17 years ago. (Decided to not do Theater during the last year, of course...)
I'm picking off some of the courses through an extension program this summer because the University wants over $17,000 for 12 credits. (One semester.)
I need to get the courses because they're prerequisites for medical school.
Talk about hella expensive? Yeah.
There is no financial aid for me in this state b/c I already have a bachelor's degree.
I can get federal loans if I matriculate, but not if I just want to take courses. (The bulk of this will be done at another local state college either way.)
Even at the in-state rate at the state college I want to attend for med school it's still crazy costly.
US med schools are jacking up the tuition yearly.
I'm probably looking at $150,000 to a quarter million in debt after medical school. (All together now: suck your eyeballs in through your ears!)
Luckily after I finish a residency (3-8 years) I'll be earning enough to actually pay off the loans eventually.
I literally cannot afford to fail once I've entered medical school.
I'm also considering some accredited schools in the Caribbean, which wouldn't cost quite as much, and looking wistfully at countries which don't make you pay for becoming a doctor. (If the government pays for healthcare it makes sense to encourage sufficient providers in the long run? College is just generally free in some places?)
Hopefully I'll be able to find some kind of grant or scholarship or something, but I've got a family in an established location and can't just uproot them while I go play doctor so to speak. I can't really pull a "Northern Exposure" and indenture myself in exchange for the cost of my education. Not that I wouldn't be willing.
Unfortunately I also can't really just say "hmm. Think I'll try a correspondence certificate course in doctifyin'!" and get away with it. For long.
Same goes for nursing, it's college level stuff which you use every day you work.
In terms of the education vs experience argument, no matter how long you work as a nurse you'll never be able to do what a doctor does without going to college.
I have met LPNs who've been nurses for ages who could run rings around me when I was a new grad RN. They still couldn't do some of the stuff I could and didn't have the in-depth understanding of some stuff, but they were damned good nurses. The only way to get experience is by doing the job. Every nurse with 15 years under her belt was once jelly-bellied on her first day of work ever.

MSA

Friday, June 4, 2010 7:35 PM

My brother in law has just finished med school and is doing his residency. Yes he has more than $100,000 in loans, but to offset that after residency his salary is going to be gianormous and he can expect to pay them back within 5years.

So really if the college degree will get you a job that makes paying your loan back realatively easy and ups your earning potential ...go for it. Otherwise. Opt for experience and some college basic stuff:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Friday, June 4, 2010 8:04 PM

Yes, but whatever happens, you are going to be over your head in loans for a while, that's life. That's why God created deferments.

People weer being harsh, but I guess its a sore subject for me too.

Rosie, I know we discussed this before but I think you should reapply for aid. I have my bachelors and I was able to get aid when I went back. I don't know if its different for schools though. The worst case scenario is they say no, right?

MSA

Friday, June 4, 2010 10:43 PM

I still say you rock and should join the dark side and be a special ed teacher

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Friday, June 4, 2010 11:21 PM

Ohhh I don't do kids. They are little people type things that other people can take care of.

Thank god I was never one.

P.S. John is an exception to this of course. Even real life friends had kids and I couldn't have cared less. But baby John makes me all squishy inside.

RUGBUG

Saturday, June 5, 2010 1:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:
People weer being harsh, but I guess its a sore subject for me too.

People were being harsh? Was I being harsh? See...this is why I get in trouble at work. What's conversation to me is harsh to someone else.

IMO $50k isn't a huge amount of loans...it's about what I came out with...and it's paid off. And I don't use the degree or credentials earned with that money. $200k to be a photographer? The numbers don't jive.

FWIW, I thought about going back to school at one point..library sciences was even at the top of my list...but I decided that I didn't want to go into more debt.

The real hot button issue here is trying to assign blame....not going into debt for school. Yes, you have to make wise choices...and they may not work out...but if you've been wise you can get yourself out of the situation. Go to the best school you can afford, get some work experience, and then go for it.

And Avery, I'm sure with a degree in criminolgy you could find a lot of different kinds of jobs. Sure, the higher paying (high 5 figures and up) probably need a specific degree and post graduate work, but there are plenty of well paying jobs that don't require a specific degree, just an intelligent hard working person. You may not want to do those jobs, but they are there.

BTW - I did work study all through college..sometimes a number of different jobs. Thankfully I only worked about 20 hours a week, but I was working. I came out of under grad wtih about $20k in loans. Added a huge chunk with the teaching credential...a time when couldn't work* due to a fulltimes schedule teaching.

*I say I couldn't work because I know many people who could've pulled it off. I'm not one. When my schedule gets too crammed, I shut down.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Saturday, June 5, 2010 2:19 AM

Well like I said, its a sensitive subject to me. I think I see it from a different perspective. So it may not have been harsh to you.

Learning you were able to pay off the loans made me feel a whole lot better though. I didn't think I would ever be able to. For real, I thought it was going to be a life long thing.

I know there are jobs out there for my degree, but like you said, I don't want to do them. That's why I'm going back. I've always loved computers, even when I was a kid. I know it will never change.

I did the work study job my whole way in college, and yes it did help a lot for well paying temp jobs. But I'm just sick of temping. They always say "temp to hire" But for the last 3 jobs I've been to the supervisor gets a different job, or they company gets bought out. So I get screwed.

...I'm beginning to think I'm bad luck for companies O_o

RUGBUG

Saturday, June 5, 2010 4:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:
Well like I said, its a sensitive subject to me. I think I see it from a different perspective. So it may not have been harsh to you.

Well, I apologize for being harsh. FWIW, it didn't sound to me like you were trying to place blame, just that you were angry. I get that. I'm angry that I spent $30k to get something I don't use at all. I'm also angry that I wasted all that time and money getting a teaching job, moving and then moving back to where I wanted to be, because if my job was going to suck, I'd rather do it in a place that didn't make me suicidal.

But that's life, IMO. Sometimes the things we choose to do bite us in the ass.

Quote:

Learning you were able to pay off the loans made me feel a whole lot better though. I didn't think I would ever be able to. For real, I thought it was going to be a life long thing.

It can happen. It's like buying a sort of expensive car...on a 120-month loan or so. And I will admit that I got some help when I inherited some money when my Grandmother passed away. FWIW, I've also paid off some significant credit card debt, bought a Jeep and paid it off early (my bank wouldn't give me a loan for it...my debt/income ratio was too risky), bought two horses, etc. And I don't have a "great" job...it's just a job. I did get very tired of being in debt, however and focused on paying things off. For awhile I was living on $40/week for food and entertainment, and the rest went to bills/savings. These days, I try to live credit card debt free...and most other debt free. I do have a car loan and that's it.

Quote:

I know there are jobs out there for my degree, but like you said, I don't want to do them. That's why I'm going back. I've always loved computers, even when I was a kid. I know it will never change.

I get that too. I could be doing any number of teaching or teaching related jobs. But I'd be miserable. I decided many years ago that I wasn't super picky about what I did, as long as I could support myself and still ride. I never thought I would be able to own a horse, let alone two. While I don't love my job, I appreciate it for that. It affords me the ability to pursue my passion. That's good enough for me. It might not be the same for you, but I think a lot more people make the "good enough" choice than not. It's surprisingly rare to be able to make a living at something you like/love. I would love to work with horses. It's never going to happen in a way that I could support myself, so I work in insurance. And I'm still happy and satisfied with my life.

Quote:

I did the work study job my whole way in college, and yes it did help a lot for well paying temp jobs. But I'm just sick of temping. They always say "temp to hire" But for the last 3 jobs I've been to the supervisor gets a different job, or they company gets bought out. So I get screwed.

...I'm beginning to think I'm bad luck for companies O_o

Ugh...you may be living my life from when I was in my 20s. :D I temped A LOT. I hated it. I've never been good at getting jobs, so temping was a foot in a door to prove that I was a good employee/worth the risk. I got a few opportunities to shine through temping but a lot of it was awful: I got the interview for my current job through the temp agency while I was on an horrible assigment as a cell phone company operator (

). That was a miserable month working with miserable people, answering phones of angry, angry customers.

Sadly, so much of getting a good job is who you know. I got lucky: I clicked with my boss during the interview process and the rest is history. I NEVER thought I would work in insurance. I was hired as an admin asst, was told I would never make more than $10/hour...even WITH my college degree. Heh. Once I was in the door, however, they realized I had something more to offer and I've been there 10+ years. I would say only half of our employees have college degrees. My manager doesn't have one...she worke

NVGHOSTRIDER

Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:20 AM

Be stuck in these huge heavy shoes. (Literally and figuratively)

"Under educated, over qualified."

I regret not going to school the most after having been turned down for several jobs because of the above statement. On the other hand I get to live the dream, even if for a short span. Being with my son rather than having him in daycare is the greatest feeling in the world. Let's see if I can get my crap together quick enough for MSA to do the same for the next one.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Saturday, June 5, 2010 7:21 AM

I'm sorry that I came off angry. It wasn't insane troll angry. Just like you said, paid money for this degree I'm not using.

Are you trying to tell me I'll have a normal life after this? A jeep and everything? That’s crazy talk right there!

Temping wasn’t so bad at the beginning. But I’m on my 4th year and its getting old. Granted the 4 years was only 4 assignments really. Starting next week I’ll be doing insurance too. I was there before for a previous temp job. It wasn’t great but it wasn’t horrible either. I got to wear jeans and I got along with the people I worked with. They do tuition assistance too. My former boss is getting her masters with their help. So my dream scenario is I work for them, get hired and eventually they help me get my IT degree. I had to take a break from school as of now due to family issues.

Not to sound corny, but thank you for all the info. I really do appreciate you telling me all that. It’s good to know I won’t be in this rut forever.

@NVG: That’s sucky, but I’m glad you get to stay home with John. I’m sure you’ll be able to find something soon. I’ll use my magical powers of “stuff-I-say-happens-and-its-really-sort-of-freaky-but–doesn’t-work-on-myself” for you. And ye shall get a fantastic job!

/weirdo-ness

...but its true. It works.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Saturday, June 5, 2010 3:03 PM

We just need to hurry up with Browncoat Island. Not much of a water person myself, but there is always Independence Valley. It rests along I-80 between Elko, NV and SLC. It has utilities, high speed internets, within driving distance of a large Nevada town and a major city with airports, surrounded by mountains, mild winters and warm summers.

Just a thought.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

RUGBUG

Monday, June 7, 2010 4:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:

Not to sound corny, but thank you for all the info. I really do appreciate you telling me all that. It’s good to know I won’t be in this rut forever.

Phew! I typed all that out and was like 'dude, stop being all "buck-up, little camper." I'm glad you took it in the way intended. When I was younger, I never thought I would be where I am today.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Monday, June 7, 2010 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Phew! I typed all that out and was like 'dude, stop being all "buck-up, little camper." I'm glad you took it in the way intended. When I was younger, I never thought I would be where I am today.

There's a good ponder. Where did you see your life going when you were around 18?

Mine is easy. The tech boom was on and I was on the road to get into that business. I thought I'd be making easy money and living it up in silicon valley. Stupid bubbles bursting.

MSA

Monday, June 7, 2010 8:21 PM

I thought I would be an anthropologist or a drama teacher or a biochemistry... took me a while to pick a major

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

RUGBUG

Monday, June 7, 2010 10:03 PM

I had no clue. I wanted to be a horse trainer but knew that wasn't going to happen. Interior Designer was always high on the list.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

TRAVELER

Monday, June 7, 2010 10:20 PM

I was sweating the draft. The Vietnam War was still very raging and I was A-1. I found a techincal school that would give me an education and a deferment. So my idea of future was in months and not years.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, June 7, 2010 10:54 PM

Gotta agree with Traveler on the "Months versus Years" thing. Never gave much thought to making it another five years but plenty time that have past and I feel a bit lost. Had no clue all that has happened ever would.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

MSA

Monday, June 7, 2010 11:57 PM

Which is what makes life such a grand adventure. I

Also sleeping baby is the best smell ever. Kind of baby powder mixed with sugar and sun

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 12:19 AM

There are times I feel it would have been better to have gone to Vietnam. I would have been a grunt. My grades in highschool were very poor and I doubt I would have been given much of a chance to learn any trade in the service. I wanted to be a tool maker. But with the draft hanging over my head no one would hire me as an apprentice. I only had days to make choices back then. I had already passed my physical and was waiting to get called up.

What a joke. I am 5'-6" tall and weighed 125 pounds back then. Can you see me humping it through the jungle with half again my weight straped to my back.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

MSA

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 7:59 PM

Well erally I can see it traveler.. you bent double looking vaguely like the hunchback of Notre Dame

Lunch happiness= giant salad...mmmmmmmmmmmmm

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NAVYSEILS

Tuesday, June 8, 2010 10:13 PM

When I was 18 I saw my life going nowhere. I had no idea what I wanted to do, didn't really see myself ever being in a position where I could be properly independent or anything. I wasn't an optimistic kinda guy.

MSA

Wednesday, June 9, 2010 6:24 PM

And now you are a brilliant student with loads of friends and admirers:) HUSG Navy

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:21 PM

Just got done with my first training day at the new temp job. Didn't do much, but that's okay by me b/c I'm still getting paid for it!

edit: It helps that the people there are really nice. Everyone seems happy to be working there. Good times.

ZEEK

Wednesday, June 9, 2010 9:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:
Just got done with my first training day at the new temp job. Didn't do much, but that's okay by me b/c I'm still getting paid for it!

I kinda liked temp jobs when I knew they weren't going anywhere. They meant so much less pressure. If they were just for the summer or something then all I had to do was not royally mess up and they'd be happy. Ah simpler times.

And if anyone is hating there job right now just listen to this tech support call and be happy you're not this guy:

MSA

Friday, June 11, 2010 7:40 PM

HUGS Avery glad people are nice where you're working

Ok I am always glad I am not tech support.. that is one sucktacular job

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Friday, June 11, 2010 8:49 PM

It is always a good idea to be very nice to tech support. Make their day as pleasant as possible.

On that note my mouse died. Some sort of short inside. It would work great and then zip. Give it a shake and it would work again. Got a new one after having everything tn the computer checked out because old mouse decided to work while the tech was testing it. Finally realised it was the mouse going in and out.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, June 14, 2010 7:01 AM

That is a very Tom and Jerry sort of issue there Traveler...

... at least to me it is.

Very late night.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

MSA

Monday, June 14, 2010 6:23 PM

which was sadly followed by a very early morning. Johnny has decided sleep just isn't for him...

oh small ponder. At what point in the sleep depreivation continuum would you consider staying home for a sick day?

I only do it if I am so tired I can't function and am concerned I will fall asleep at the wheel while commuting

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Monday, June 14, 2010 7:34 PM

Pssh day off for sleep deprivation? Never. If it's bad enough you'll get sick or have to be hospitalized or something. Then you can have a sick day. (note: don't take Zeek's advice and end up hospitalized)

It's a good thing I'm not anybody's boss. I'd be such an unforgiving person

TRAVELER

Monday, June 14, 2010 11:54 PM

It felt like a Tom and Jerry thing. I hate it when something works and then stops and then works again. Of course a mouse is so cheap that it costs less to buy a new one then fix the old one. They are glued together anyway and are not meant to be taken apart. But that mouse had flashing strobe lights inside a clear body. It was cool.

MsA:
Get some sleep.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:34 PM

I wish good old Looney Tunes were still on TV. Need some old timey laughs right now.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:46 PM

Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit!

RUGBUG

Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:12 PM

Traveler: my mouse will do that sometimes. It usually means there is gunk on the ball or the little rollers inside. I open it up, clean the ball, clean the rollers and then I'm good for awhile. I suppose this only applies if you're still using an old skool ball mouse instead of an optical one.

Ponder: Well, I don't usually call in for sleep deprivation. I will call in if I'm feeling super exhausted/maybe sick-ish. But even then, I will come in late rather than take a whole day. Thing with me is, if I sleep, I can ward off most colds/maladies, so it's beneficial. I am usually only that kind of tired when I'm fighting something...so. I'll make it be 10/11a.m. and then work the 6 hours I'm allowed to without taking a break.

If I know that I'm going to be super tired for some reason, I will schedule time off. For instance, after a horse show day or when I went to those mid-week concerts. I schedule coming in at 10 or 11 rather than call in.

Unexpected tired (anything less than 5 hours) rarely results in calling in, but it does result in grumpy me. :D

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSA

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:36 PM

LOL Zeek- ok I'll give you my schedule as a trade.
See I don't mind sleep deprivation ( I get about 4 hours a night normally) but this week I got about 2 hours each night from Thursday thruough Tuesday( sadly not 2 hours in a row just 2 total.. in 20-30 minute increments) so by that point I think I was so moon brained it actually qualified as some kind of sickness

OK so how would you guys respond to this. I wrote a behavior plan for a student that included a " think paper" for when he misbehaved enough to get sent to the office. Think paper basically asks the kid to analyze what he was doing before he got in trouble, why that caused a problem, and what he will do differently next time. According to the child advocate this is child abuse and is demeaning and "judgemental and condemning him for perfectly natural behavior" ( the perfectly natural behaviro being throwing several objects at a teacher and attempting to beat another student with a baseball bat)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
LOL Zeek- ok I'll give you my schedule as a trade.
See I don't mind sleep deprivation ( I get about 4 hours a night normally) but this week I got about 2 hours each night from Thursday thruough Tuesday( sadly not 2 hours in a row just 2 total.. in 20-30 minute increments) so by that point I think I was so moon brained it actually qualified as some kind of sickness

I suggest you sleep more.

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
OK so how would you guys respond to this. I wrote a behavior plan for a student that included a " think paper" for when he misbehaved enough to get sent to the office. Think paper basically asks the kid to analyze what he was doing before he got in trouble, why that caused a problem, and what he will do differently next time. According to the child advocate this is child abuse and is demeaning and "judgemental and condemning him for perfectly natural behavior" ( the perfectly natural behaviro being throwing several objects at a teacher and attempting to beat another student with a baseball bat)

I tell the child advocate he's wrong. Then I throw things at the advocate and attempt to beat him with a baseball bat.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:19 PM

Quote:
I tell the child advocate he's wrong. Then I throw things at the advocate and attempt to beat him with a baseball bat.

Seconded. With a video camera present of course. ANyone see the video of a Seattle cop punching a 17 year old girl? Video on the morning news broadcast was cut short, but the girls involved clearly have a few issues. Also, the officer involved had horrible control on the situation.

The only one with any good sense is the guy in the turquoise pulling pink shirt girl away.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

MSA

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:07 PM

I vote we have a new rule that you can only be involved with kids if you're a certified grown up...

Yeah I adore te 3 page email I got from the advocare insisting I was being emotionally abusive to suggest the child be asked to think about their behavior because I was labling that behavior " bad" when it was just an attempt to communicate. Also before this she sent me an email filled with f-bombs about my plan. She's obviously very professional:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:49 PM

How is that guy a cop? He looks like he hasn't had a day of training. Doesn't he know how to subdue a person at all?

He might not have felt like she was a major threat or anything but what if she had gone for his gun at some point. Jeez man.

Doesn't he at least have a tazer to threaten these people with? Punching that one girl was a terrible idea. I'm actually impressed that he wasn't mobbed.

RUGBUG

Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
How is that guy a cop? He looks like he hasn't had a day of training. Doesn't he know how to subdue a person at all?

He might not have felt like she was a major threat or anything but what if she had gone for his gun at some point. Jeez man.

Doesn't he at least have a tazer to threaten these people with? Punching that one girl was a terrible idea. I'm actually impressed that he wasn't mobbed.

My thoughts exactly. He had no control over the girl and he's lucky no one else got involved. I kept thinking he must be a rent-a-cop/security guard rather than the actual police. Anyone know? He's not going to be whatever he is for long, that's for sure.

MsA...that's ridiculous. You're not saying the child is a bad child, but that their behavioural choices are bad. That advocate needs to be hit over the head with a bat. Maybe the kid can do it.

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

MSA

Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:33 PM

I think a lot of cops need mroe training on dealing with teenagers...
Just had an incident at teh high school where a mentally handicapped kid was brandishing a butter knife ( he was upset) and instead of talking him down the school cop pulled a gun and was prepared to shoot the kid. I stepped in and told the kid I was busy and needed him to put it down and come with me so we wouldn't be late. He dropped the knife and happily went with me... I refrained from calling the officer a moron.( because I am very professional)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:39 PM

Are you sure the training would tell them to talk the kids down? My guess is the training would tell him to do just what he did. If the kid has a weapon of any kind you go nuclear.

I don't even know if I can blame them. If he failed at talking the kid out of doing something and a person got stabbed that guy would never hear the end of it. If he shot a kid with a knife he'd probably be supported much better.

TRAVELER

Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:52 PM

Send an Email to this advocate with a copy of the Email with the F-bombs in it and tell that person to write "Think Paper" about their inappropriate behaviour in using the F-bomb. Save that F-bomb Email.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

NAVYSEILS

Friday, June 18, 2010 12:05 AM

Cant you take the emails that you've been sent and go above their head with it to a higher authority who might have more common sense?

TRAVELER

Friday, June 18, 2010 12:12 AM

That is why I said keep that Email. MsA may want to use it later.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

NAVYSEILS

Friday, June 18, 2010 12:19 AM

Yes, I see that now. I missed the part about saving the messages on the end of your post. Definitely got to keep them all safe. I like the part about giving the advocate a think paper to do though. Seems they need one.

MSA

Friday, June 18, 2010 5:58 PM

Well I did give copies of the email to my boss, but this woman does stuff like this all the time.

So what is everyone up to this weekend? Come on people make with the excitement. How else can I live vicariously?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

BRIGLAD

Friday, June 18, 2010 7:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:

So what is everyone up to this weekend? Come on people make with the excitement. How else can I live vicariously?

Well, I've got to do a through detail of my car so I can take it to the Fathers Day weekend Car show. I bought two "Hawaiian" shirts (Channeling my inner Wash) since it's hot and humid and they are cooler than t-shirts.

Oh yeah... doing Burgers on the grill tonight.

That's about it till next weekend when it's the monthly New England Browncoats Shindig in Concord NH. Gives me a chance to sample a few cold ones with Steamer and Yosafbridge, Radgeund and the rest... (Sam Adams Summer Ale... Goooooood stuff)

MSA

Friday, June 18, 2010 8:35 PM

Give Steamer Tal and the little one big hugs for me ok.

Sounds an awesome weekend

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, June 21, 2010 2:43 PM

Today's ponder

Why is money so much a part of our lives and how can we kill it?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

ZEEK

Monday, June 21, 2010 3:08 PM

Cause people are greedy. Kill greed and you kill money.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:46 AM

hmmm ok any thoughts on how to kill greed?
( oh MSA here in case that wasn't evident)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
Smarts are the brains that make America think.
-Will Sasso as Steven Segal, MadTV

TRAVELER

Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:40 AM

Besides brain washing people I don't think greed can be destroyed. It has so many flavors. Greed for money, power, fame, and pleasure are the ones that enter my mind. Most anything you want takes money to obtain. There was historical documentary on the Dutch and their tulip craze. People spent their life savings on the silly things. Finally one banker said it is just a flower and the market collapsed and destroyed many peoples fortunes. It was all greed. Look what a piece of art is worth. Van Gogh could not sell a painting. Now only those who have 100's of millions to throw away can afford them. That is insane to me. I personally think Van Gogh was a great painter, but give me a break.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

MSA

Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:10 AM

Hey I'm still amazed at people who spend $500 on a pair of jeans

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

MSA

Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:39 PM

Poke poke is this thing on???

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NAVYSEILS

Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:01 PM

yeah, it's still on. Some of us just happened to be in bed till about 10 minutes ago. Its the summer holidays though, I'm allowed.

I definitely don't understand the $500 jeans thing. I have a pair of jeans that I paid $10 for, 6 years ago. I still wear them. Best jeans ever.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:50 PM

I was watching TV with my friend last night and they were talking about something stupid like "this years hottest shoe styles" and they showed these sandals and say "you can get these for only 75 dollars!" Even as a self proclaimed girly girl, I would NOT spend 75 bucks on a pair of sandals.!

The way they said it with the "only" really bothered me.

ZEEK

Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:51 PM

Ponder: what possesses a person to pass a total stranger at work and say the following.

stranger 1: Hi
stranger 2: Hi
stranger 1: Do a little rain dance. We need it.

What? That's just a weird freaking thing to say to a random person. Not to mention the idea of any "little dance" does not sound masculine.

ZEEK

Friday, June 25, 2010 2:03 PM

Decent dream last night Work sent a bunch of us on a trip to see a fencing show (I don't even think there is such a thing). It was at a big sorta fancy hotel. The twist is it was also kind of a con. (I've never been to a con so it was what I picture a con to be like) Jewel, Morena and Sean were there. I got a brief chance to talk to Jewel and Sean and then followed the crowd to our big suite cause there was like an hour and a half til the show started. I decided it was worth it to take a nap and when I woke up Jewel was in bed next to me. Only she was just resting there. Fully clothed and all. Even in my dream I was well aware that she's a married woman. Darn my morals Basically she was just being flirty and friendly, but I'll call it a fun dream anyway.

TRAVELER

Friday, June 25, 2010 10:03 PM

ZEEK:

Put the remote to the DVD player down and back away.

I've been there and there are support groups.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

ZEEK

Friday, June 25, 2010 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:
ZEEK:

Put the remote to the DVD player down and back away.

I've been there and there are support groups.

Will this prevent Jewel from being in my dreams or prevent morals from being in my dreams?

TRAVELER

Friday, June 25, 2010 10:18 PM

Actually I am being jealous.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

ZEEK

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:59 PM

Why is everyone so quiet?

ponder: what are you doing for 4th of July?

me: bbq

discuss

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:43 PM

Nothing :o(

MSA

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:26 PM

Sorry baby time is somewhat all consuming. Avery I'm with you on how annoying it is that they act like spending hundredsvof dollars on clothing is normal.

You could have done a masculine little dance zeek.... also maybe next time it'll be all the firefly women fighting over you.

Ok we're doing the obligatory bbq and fireworks.

Ponder- in honor of the most recent browncoat wedding, would you marry someone who didn't like firefly?

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

TRAVELER

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:29 PM

I may walk over to the lake and watch the fireworks.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

ZEEK

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
You could have done a masculine little dance zeek

hmmm...you mean like an endzone celebration after scoring a touchdown? I guess I could see that.

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Ponder- in honor of the most recent browncoat wedding, would you marry someone who didn't like firefly?

How rich is she and is there a prenup required? If very very rich and no prenup then probably. What can I say I'm a lazy man and large sums of money can really make my dream of excessive laziness come true.

Other than that it would be pretty tough to get past. I really can't understand how a person could not like Firefly. The show should be both funny and touching to just about anybody. If it's not then I just don't see how our personalities are going to match up anyway. It's not like my sense of humor is going anywhere. So, if they can't laugh at Firefly then we're going to have a lot of times that we don't see eye to eye.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:17 PM

I would. As long as he don't trash it in front of me.

I'd think a guy was ridiculous if he wouldn't date me because I didn't like some show. I hate some of the shows my best friend absolutely loves and we have no problems.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA: Ponder- in honor of the most recent browncoat wedding, would you marry someone who didn't like firefly?

Sure would (considering how long the non-firefly-watching bf and I have been together ^_^). People are entitled to their likes and dislikes, and as long as they respect that of each other it's not an issue IMHO.

ZEEK

Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:14 PM

OK here's a ponder.

Would you rather have to give a presentation to a group of people you can't see over a conference call or would you rather be in the same room with them?

I just had to give a presentation for work and it was over the phone. It made me somewhat nervous because I didn't know who was on the other end of the phone, how many people were listening, and how they would react to my presentation. However, once I got into it I was pretty calm about giving the presentation. The part I found the most annoying was not being able to see any reactions. Did they understand what I was talking about? Was I moving too quickly? Just strange. However, if I was in the room with them I'd have to focus on making eye contact and what I'm doing with my hands, etc.

I can't decide which would be better really.

RUGBUG

Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:33 PM

Ohhhh...stuff to catch up on.

Expensive stuff: I get the allure but would not really spend the $$$. If it's horse stuff, well, the sky's the limit. My breeches are $200+ each..and I have 6 pairs of that particular brand. Don't get me started on the boots or even my new saddle. It cost almost as much as my first horse.

Dating/marrying someone who didn't like my favorite show? (making it a little more generalized) Absolutely. As long as they didn't make me feel stupid for liking it or begrudge me watching it when I wanted to.

BTW: who are the newest FF marrieds?

Presentations: In person, please. Both suck, but it's hard to gauge interest/boredom over a conference call. And I think I would be a little to lax over a call whereas you have to be "on" to be in front of people

***************
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:43 PM

That's a tough one, Zeek. I hate giving presentations period, but I'm horrible at talking on the phone. I get easily distracted and end up zoning out, and if I'm not conscious of the way I talk I end up mumbling :P Talking to people in the room, as unpleasant and nerve wracking as it is (I fall to pieces when I have to speak to a group) helps me stay focused. I'd definitely rather be in a room for fear of ADD, lol.

1 2 NEXT PAGE LAST PAGE