How Can I Prove I am Not a Racist?
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I agree with a lot you said. But I still believe "discriminatory" or, if you will "nationalistic" applies better to what you are talking about.
Or 'Xenophobic'. Definitely a natural human instinct, though not one of our better ones. I agree with Rap on the (primary) definition of racism, and that there's a distinction to be made there.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Yes, I concur with Niki about Rappy's last post.Well put and entirely in keeping with the discussion. You see what can happen when the back biting ceases and we post to each other with a little respect and articulation?. Works wonders doesn't it?
Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Perhaps what I am really trying to say is that we are all discriminatory on a racial level to a certain degree.
Any middle ground here, Rappy?
Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!
We discriminate, we prejudge... so yes, at a very basic physical ( racial ? - still not comfortable with that word, but I'll play along ) level, we are quick to pick up on visual differences which distinguish one group from another. It not only includes physical features, but the clothes we wear, the manner in which we speak, how we communicate ( via hand gestures, etc.. ) all sorts of things.
This was brought up ( man, I hate to even go here ) on what I think was the very first REAL WORLD, on MTV. Kevin, a black guy, and Julie, a white girl from the South, didn't exactly see eye to eye on some things. One key component was in how different each person acted while engaged in an argument. Kevin would get very loud ( from the perspective of Julie ) and stand very close to that person. In Julie's view, that crossed the line from "arguing " to intimidation. Kevin was simply doing what seemed normal to him, and wasn't overly trying to threaten anyone, but Julie saw the exact same thing through different eyes, and had quite a different take.
My point is, clearly we are quick to point out differences on a visual scale, but we also notice differences of culture as well. In fact, it's my personal view that culture goes further to distance people, even of like lineage , more than just race. From the Hutu and Tutsi tribes, to the Protestants and Catholics of N.Ireland, culture ( or religion, as it's practiced ) will pit same looking, same sounding, same damn near everything people against each other where otherwise it would seem they're pretty much the same.
How do we judge how advanced or " progressive" a culture is ? The Chinese were far more advanced than the Europeans for centuries. And the Egyptians predated the Greeks in all manner of technological prowess.... and yet many wrongly assume that mankind made some sort of quantum leap - when ? Only during the EUROPEAN Renaissance, as recent as a few hundred years ago.
Looking at a timeline of great human accomplishments, from art, to science and architecture, it's sorta laughable to think that white Europeans are the "height" of human evolution. Western European ancestors were likely living in huts or occupying caves when the Pyramids were being built. The Mongols were all but at western Europe's door step and ready to conquer the continent, until they called off their armies, and headed home. The halt came not due to some great defense by the Europeans, but from political infighting between the Mongols.
Anyway..... the idea that how much light one's skin reflects is any indicator of genetic superiority.... is, by all measure, absurd.
One sad development, around 20 years ago, was the devolution of the definitions in your statement, and in the overall arguement.
I learned then that Public Schools had begun teaching that the definition of Prejudice had been changed to mean the same as Discrimination.
Prior to that, Prejudice was the natural evolutionary instinct of survival, and only when the Prejudice was unfairly applied and actions were altered did Discrimination occur.
When walking down the street and you see a Bengal Tiger on the sidewalk, is you very first instinct to wonder, ooooh, that poor big kitty wandered off from the local zoo and must be looking for somebody to pet him, and scratch behind the ears? If so, your genetic code is worthy of the Darwin Awards as soon as you are removed from the gene pool. If you instead think, gee, I should get my kids, spouse, and then myself and anybody else less abled than me behind some protective barrier, and notify somebody trained to capture large carnivores, then congratulations, you have just used the Prejudging instinct to protect your genetic code and keep it in the gene pool. You will later
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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Yes, I concur with Niki about Rappy's last post.Well put and entirely in keeping with the discussion. You see what can happen when the back biting ceases and we post to each other with a little respect and articulation?. Works wonders doesn't it?
Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!
Just giving an honest view on the situation, and not having to defend myself against partisan attacks, false claims and straw man arguments.
I agree, sure does make things run more smoothly 'round here.
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To clarify...
Quote:No, hubby was born in Hungary. Dad was born in Poland. For a white dude brought up in a backward peasant culture, he was pretty (small "c") catholic.
I thought you were Hungarian(?) - just on one side of the family...?
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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Perhaps what I am really trying to say is that we are all discriminatory on a racial level to a certain degree.
Any middle ground here, Rappy?
Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!
We discriminate, we prejudge... so yes, at a very basic physical ( racial ? - still not comfortable with that word, but I'll play along ) level, we are quick to pick up on visual differences which distinguish one group from another. It not only includes physical features, but the clothes we wear, the manner in which we speak, how we communicate ( via hand gestures, etc.. ) all sorts of things.
This was brought up ( man, I hate to even go here ) on what I think was the very first REAL WORLD, on MTV. Kevin, a black guy, and Julie, a white girl from the South, didn't exactly see eye to eye on some things. One key component was in how different each person acted while engaged in an argument. Kevin would get very loud ( from the perspective of Julie ) and stand very close to that person. In Julie's view, that crossed the line from "arguing " to intimidation. Kevin was simply doing what seemed normal to him, and wasn't overly trying to threaten anyone, but Julie saw the exact same thing through different eyes, and had quite a different take.
My point is, clearly we are quick to point out differences on a visual scale, but we also notice differences of culture as well. In fact, it's my personal view that culture goes further to distance people, even of like lineage , more than just race. From the Hutu and Tutsi tribes, to the Protestants and Catholics of N.Ireland, culture ( or religion, as it's practiced ) will pit same looking, same sounding, same damn near everything people against each other where otherwise it would seem they're pretty much the same.
How do we judge how advanced or " progressive" a culture is ? The Chinese were far more advanced than the Europeans for centuries. And the Egyptians predated the Greeks in all manner of technological prowess.... and yet many wrongly assume that mankind made some sort of quantum leap - when ? Only during the EUROPEAN Renaissance, as recent as a few hundred years ago.
Looking at a timeline of great human accomplishments, from art, to science and architecture, it's sorta laughable to think that white Europeans are the "height" of human evolution. Western European ancestors were likely living in huts or occupying caves when the Pyramids were being built. The Mongols were all but at western Europe's door step and ready to conquer the continent, until they called off their armies, and headed home. The halt came not due to some great defense by the Europeans, but from political infighting between the Mongols.
Anyway..... the idea that how much light one's skin reflects is any indicator of genetic superiority.... is, by all measure, absurd.
One sad development, around 20 years ago, was the devolution of the definitions in your statement, and in the overall arguement.
I learned then that Public Schools had begun teaching that the definition of Prejudice had been changed to mean the same as Discrimination.
Prior to that, Prejudice was the natural evolutionary instinct of survival, and only when the Prejudice was unfairly applied and actions were altered did Discrimination occur.
When walking down the street and you see a Bengal Tiger on the sidewalk, is you very first instinct to wonder, ooooh, that poor big kitty wandered off from the local zoo and must be looking for somebody to pet him, and scratch behind the ears? If so, your genetic code is worthy of the Darwin Awards as soon as you are removed from the gene pool. If you instead think, gee, I should get my kids, spouse, and then myself and anybody else less abled than me behind some protective barrier, and notify somebody trained to capture large carnivores, then congratulations, you have just used the Prejudging instinct to protect your genetic co
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Oh Kaneman, I see you're late to the party. Too bad! Everyone has already agreed that Rappys' post was insightful and valuable. But yours??? Not so much. Here, have some leftovers. I'm sure there are a few empty beer bottles you can pour together.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh Kaneman, I see you're late to the party. Too bad! Everyone has already agreed that Rappys' post was insightful and valuable. But yours??? Not so much. Here, have some leftovers. I'm sure there are a few empty beer bottles you can pour together.
Hey signy bitch.....Thanks for setting me straight, I hadn't noticed I was late. But no-thanks on the leftovers you can shove those empty bottles in your vagina...
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If they constantly have IQ's lower than whites and Asians all over the world. How can it be anything other than genetics. Environment has been debunked.
Except by the majority of scientists.
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White poor inbred hillbillies still have a higher IQ. Read the post about what it takes to move out of Africa and shun gratification. It only makes sense that whites and Asians are smarter. And all the data proves this. I say it's genetic...You say what exactly? Are they lazy, is it my fault, or is it Bush's fault? Or are you going to tow the "it's years of oppression" line. That may sound plausible here in America, however there is a whole world of dumb blacks....Well, it's true........
In my country interestingly, white working class students form the bottom rung of the ladder:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/mar/27/schools.uk4
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Statistics from the Department for Children, Schools and Families, show just 15% of white working-class boys finish compulsory education with basic skills in reading, writing and arithmetic.
For black boys from similar backgrounds, the figure is 22%, while it is 29% for Asian boys and 52% for Chinese boys.
Some 20% of white working-class girls left with the basic skills.
So black students outperforming white students from comparable backgrounds - that must boggle your racist mind a little bit. One can also break down the black population into 'African' and 'West Indian' students, and there is a clear gap between them (maybe lending some credibility to the 'legacy of slavery' argument) - Black African girls outperform white boys I believe. The UK doesn't have a perfect racial history but I think it's a bit better than the U.S's, and that helps.
Here's some despicable, wooly, liberal obfuscation, filled with social and cultural excuse-making for the white working class:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article641312.ece
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Read the post about what it takes to move out of Africa and shun gratification. It only makes sense that whites and Asians are smarter. And all the data proves this. I say it's genetic...You say what exactly?
My view is of large human potential, across races. But that it requires an excellent education and culture to bring it out (as well as social comfort and harmony). Most of the black people in the world are living in underdeveloped Africa, or in other countries as historically oppressed minorities (sometimes both).
I don't know what tiresome conservative sermonising this 'shunning gratification' is, but I disagree with the conclusion that the difference is genetic - I think it was culture that evolved to meet new challenges, while African culture remained relatively stagnated. The culture evolved, and made fuller use of the human potential that was always there.
Think how much white society has been transformed going back to about 400 years ago, when we were all pretty much peasants. Civilisation and culture has made massive leaps and developments - have we have evolved from that backwards culture into a new race of genetic supermen in that short time? No, but the potential was always there. My view, at least.
And with IQ scores, get out of your head that they are measures of genetic intelligence, and see them as 'realised brain potential', or something along those lines.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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If they constantly have IQ's lower than whites and Asians all over the world. How can it be anything other than genetics. Environment has been debunked.
Except by the majority of scientists.Quote:
White poor inbred hillbillies still have a higher IQ. Read the post about what it takes to move out of Africa and shun gratification. It only makes sense that whites and Asians are smarter. And all the data proves this. I say it's genetic...You say what exactly? Are they lazy, is it my fault, or is it Bush's fault? Or are you going to tow the "it's years of oppression" line. That may sound plausible here in America, however there is a whole world of dumb blacks....Well, it's true........
In my country interestingly, white working class students form the bottom rung of the ladder:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/mar/27/schools.uk4Quote:
Statistics from the Department for Children, Schools and Families, show just 15% of white working-class boys finish compulsory education with basic skills in reading, writing and arithmetic.
For black boys from similar backgrounds, the figure is 22%, while it is 29% for Asian boys and 52% for Chinese boys.
Some 20% of white working-class girls left with the basic skills.
So black students outperforming white students from comparable backgrounds - that must boggle your racist mind a little bit. One can also break down the black population into 'African' and 'West Indian' students, and there is a clear gap between them (maybe lending some credibility to the 'legacy of slavery' argument) - Black African girls outperform white boys I believe. The UK doesn't have a perfect racial history but I think it's a bit better than the U.S's, and that helps.
Here's some despicable, wooly, liberal obfuscation, filled with social and cultural excuse-making for the white working class:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article641312.eceQuote:
Read the post about what it takes to move out of Africa and shun gratification. It only makes sense that whites and Asians are smarter. And all the data proves this. I say it's genetic...You say what exactly?
My view is of large human potential, across races. But that it requires an excellent education and culture to bring it out (as well as social comfort and harmony). Most of the black people in the world are living in underdeveloped Africa, or in other countries as historically oppressed minorities (sometimes both).
I don't know what tiresome conservative sermonising this 'shunning gratification' is, but I disagree with the conclusion that the difference is genetic - I think it was culture that evolved to meet new challenges, while African culture remained relatively stagnated. The culture evolved, and made fuller use of the human potential that was always there.
Think how much white society has been transformed going back to about 400 years ago, when we were all pretty much peasants. Civilisation and culture has made massive leaps and developments - have we have evolved from that backwards culture into a new race of genetic supermen in that short time? No, but the potential was always there. My view, at least.
And with IQ scores, get out of your head that they are measures of genetic intelligence, and see them as 'realised brain potential', or something along those lines.
It's not personal. It's just war.
I would just say they don't have the ability to create a decent culture...Thus, they will languish at the bottom forever. Proof is there in basic black and white general observation. The bottom line is they have lower IQ's and a shitty community..Why?
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Oh, shit, it's back. Well, it was nice while it lasted, more like what this site was when I first found it, and what deeply impressed me about it.
Such is life.
Yes, KPO, xenophobic is a pretty normal human trait, too; what we don’t understand, we fear; what we fear, we hate, and so it goes. Good, salient point.
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Thus, they will languish at the bottom forever. Proof is there in basic black and white general observation. The bottom line is they have lower IQ's and a shitty community..Why?
But apply this same standard to the white working class in my country... and you contradict yourself. Blacks (of comparable social standard) are smarter, and whites live in a more shitty community. Can you explain that?
But I'll bet you're not interested in the world outside of America - right?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Update on that 'letter' from Williams:Quote:
Gee, I guess Jealous lied, as well as being a race baiter[/snark]
A member of the Tea Party Express leadership defended a satirical letter Friday that he says was intended to spark discussion but has instead erupted into a national controversy.
Saying he wanted to make a "serious point about the hypocrisy in the NAACP" and that he hoped to "get the dialogue going," Tea Party Express spokesman Mark Williams said on CNN's John King, USA that he has made some apologies because "what I said, and the way I said it, was getting in the way."
Earlier this week, and apparently in reaction to an NAACP resolution regarding racist behavior exhibited by some attendees at Tea Party events, Williams published a mock letter from NAACP president Benjamin Jealous to the late President Abraham Lincoln, which Williams has since removed from his blog.
in the course of defending his post, Williams said that the NAACP resolution passed earlier this week in Kansas City was the work of "race baiters."
"I would have far preferred to be on stage at the NAACP convention explaining to the assembled membership why it was so important for them to join with the Tea Party movement rather than stand there, listening to screeds from race baiters about what racists we were, because that was a complete lie," Williams said.
Williams made several modifications to his blog post after its initial posting, including removing references to bailouts as "big money welfare" that should handed "directly to us coloreds" and Tea Party demands for lower taxes preventing black Americans from getting "a wide-screen TV in every room."
In a personal note on his blog posted Friday afternoon, Williams explained his decision to remove the controversial mock letter entirely.
"I learned this morning that Ben Jealous, author of the NAACP anti-tea party resolution has offered something of an olive branch and wants to open discussions with tea partiers regarding dialing down the unproductive shots going back and forth," Williams wrote.
Although Jealous disputed the version of events offered by Williams, the civil rights leader said he was open to meeting with the Tea Party activist.
"I have not reached out to Mark Williams nor have we made statements against the Tea Party. We have simply called on the leaders to repudiate racist elements in their ranks … If Mark Williams does so, I would be happy to sit down and talk with him," Jealous said in a statement to CNN.
Once again, note the NAACP was only asking the Tea Party to disown the actions/words of "SOME" members of its party, rather than being a "screeds from race baiters". Defensive, much?
Besides, they got it wrong; Williams resigned, remember? Wonder how much this had to do with it.
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Further update: Williams didn't "quit", he and his Tea Party Express were banned from the movement! He's right, this DID start something...something GOOD. It's the first sign that they WILL call out the racists among them, and I applaud them for it!Quote:
Ooops, I guess this disproves the cries that "there is ZERO racism in the Tea Party. It's a first step, I'm impressed.
The National Tea Party Federation, an organization that represents the Tea Party political movement around the country, has expelled conservative commentator Mark Williams and his Tea Party Express because of an inflammatory blog post he wrote, federation spokesman David Webb said Sunday.
Appearing on the CBS program "Face the Nation," Webb said that Williams and the Tea Party Express -- which has held a series of events across the country to generate support for the movement -- no longer were part of the National Tea Party Federation.
"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," Webb said of the blog post by Williams that satirized a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln.
Webb called the blog post "clearly offensive."
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.... Williams and the Tea Party Express -- which has held a series of events across the country to generate support for the movement -- no longer were part of the National Tea Party Federation.
"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," Webb said of the blog post by Williams that satirized a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln.
Webb called the blog post "clearly offensive."
So, right here, we have the complete and total debunking of not only the naaLcp's fanatical , pointless and utterly politically motivated referendum against the Tea Party. There was no need for this thread to even exist in the first place.
Now, if the Left would openly rebuke their own racists....
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Okay, I'll give this another go.
"How can I prove I am not a racist?"
Easy, easy, easy--that is, if you're not racist. If you're racist and just trying to hide it this will PISS YOU OFF!
Here it is: D E M O N S T R A T E compassion for people of other races on issues of race. Best of all, be forgiving of other races when they express outrage at the wrongs done them by members of your race. Do this simple thing and you have pretty much invalidated any accusations of racism against you in the eyes of right-thinking people (never gonna prove anything to zealots).
K, can we go now?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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HK
Are you an individual, or are you a "race"?
Are we to judge you by your character, or the color of your skin?
My 'race' has done no injustices to people of color. I can honestly say that because we didn't transport anyone on a cargo ship, didn't buy / sell anyone, didn't treat anyone like property or cattle.
Were these things done ? Absolutely, but not by me, or by most others.
I refuse to accept blame for that which I am not guilty of having committed.
We, all of us, regardless of color, are just folk.
The sooner we all get to realizing that fact, and stop this pointless guilt trip, the sooner we can get to Rev. King's promised land.
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Okay, I'll give this another go.
"How can I prove I am not a racist?"
Easy, easy, easy--that is, if you're not racist. If you're racist and just trying to hide it this will PISS YOU OFF!
Here it is: D E M O N S T R A T E compassion for people of other races on issues of race. Best of all, be forgiving of other races when they express outrage at the wrongs done them by members of your race. Do this simple thing and you have pretty much invalidated any accusations of racism against you in the eyes of right-thinking people (never gonna prove anything to zealots).
K, can we go now?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Don't bother HK. Whozit got it taken care of. He answered Crappy's question on another thread:
"Thanks to the Tea Party they want you to belive[sic] that becuase[sic] of your political affliations that when people see you they see someone who is a complete racist. JUST RELAX!!! You're paranoid, everyone DOES NOT see you as a racist. Stop trying to prove something your not, or do you see the government everywhere! No one is after you, enjoy your life."
Or that's how it works if it's Moslims/terrorists rather than Tea Party/racists.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=44327
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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left
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Or that's how it works if it's Moslims/terrorists rather than Tea Party/racists.
Wait, did you just try to compare al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism to the Tea Party ?
Really?
Please, elaborate.
Show the long list of car bombs and heads cut off that the Tea Party has had a hand in, if you can.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. You start w/ a tiny, indefensible and unsupported lie. Upon that you feign outrage and heap loads of hysterical propaganda, and before long, you have Nero blaming Christians for the burning of Rome.
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Crappy, are you saying you are not of the caucasian race (as the term is used these days)? Or that people of the caucasian race ""has done no injustices to people of color. I can honestly say that because we didn't transport anyone on a cargo ship, didn't buy / sell anyone, didn't treat anyone like property or cattle."
I'm curious.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Or that's how it works if it's Moslims/terrorists rather than Tea Party/racists.
Wait, did you just try to compare al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism to the Tea Party ?
Really?
Please, elaborate.
Show the long list of car bombs and heads cut off that the Tea Party has had a hand in, if you can.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. You start w/ a tiny, indefensible and unsupported lie. Upon that you feign outrage and heap loads of hysterical propaganda, and before long, you have Nero blaming Christians for the burning of Rome.
... or you have Tea Partiers blaming the NAACP for racism. Can you maybe show us the long list of folks the NAACP has lynched?
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Or that's how it works if it's Moslims/terrorists rather than Tea Party/racists.
Wait, did you just try to compare al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism to the Tea Party ?
Really?
Please, elaborate.
Show the long list of car bombs and heads cut off that the Tea Party has had a hand in, if you can.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. You start w/ a tiny, indefensible and unsupported lie. Upon that you feign outrage and heap loads of hysterical propaganda, and before long, you have Nero blaming Christians for the burning of Rome.
... or you have Tea Partiers blaming the NAACP for racism. Can you maybe show us the long list of folks the NAACP has lynched?
It's the same length as the number of people the tea party has lynched...And you are gay
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
.... Williams and the Tea Party Express -- which has held a series of events across the country to generate support for the movement -- no longer were part of the National Tea Party Federation.
"We, in the last 24 hours, have expelled Tea Party Express and Mark Williams from the National Tea Party Federation because of the letter that he wrote," Webb said of the blog post by Williams that satirized a fictional letter from what he called "Colored People" to President Abraham Lincoln.
Webb called the blog post "clearly offensive."
So, right here, we have the complete and total debunking of not only the naaLcp's fanatical , pointless and utterly politically motivated referendum against the Tea Party. There was no need for this thread to even exist in the first place.
Now, if the Left would openly rebuke their own racists....
Wait - because the Tea Party movement acted out, and did as the NAACP (there's no "L" in their name, Rappy, no matter what Rush tells you) asked them to do, that proves the NAACP was wrong?
That doesn't compute. The NAACP asked the tea party movement to speak out about racism in its ranks. The Tea Party Federation has now done so, ousting Mark Williams and his Tea Party Express from the Federation. So in RappyWorld™, that equates to proving there was never a single racist in their ranks? Because they kicked him out, he wasn't ever there?
Gosh, maybe if we could get Al Qaeda to give Bin Laden the boot, they wouldn't be terrorists anymore!
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Or that's how it works if it's Moslims/terrorists rather than Tea Party/racists.
Wait, did you just try to compare al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism to the Tea Party ?
Really?
You betray your own prejudices Rap...
Look again, it's comparing Muslims, not terrorists, to Tea Partiers.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Or that's how it works if it's Moslims/terrorists rather than Tea Party/racists.
Wait, did you just try to compare al Qaeda and Islamic terrorism to the Tea Party ?
Really?
You betray your own prejudices Rap...
Look again, it's comparing Muslims, not terrorists, to Tea Partiers.
It's not personal. It's just war.
But we can all see how it is in Rappyland. He's allowed to condemn a whole group of people because of the actions of a few on the fringe, even if it means killing them. No shit - even if it means KILLING innocent people. He doesn't care about that.
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Gee, Muslims are just real people, like anyone else ? Gosh, I've been so wrong,....
Wait, no I haven't. Not even a little bit.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=44327
But if anyone says anything bad about a group the Rapp identifies with, even if it does him no actual harm...
He's a sick, pathetic little weasel of a man.
And he smells bad.
[Edited to apologize to all the weasels and the real men out there.]
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That you have to ask, Niki, shows you missed my meaning. What does my ethnicity matter ?
Seriously. Why should it matter at all ?
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I'm not missing anything, and there's nothing for me to betray here.
YOU made the comparison, not me.
No where, NO WHERE has there been any hint of violence, bigotry or hatred shown by Tea Partiers to minorities.
The same can't be said of Islamic terrorists.
Comparison fail, on your part - big time.
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I never thought that one of the most taboo subjects of modern life could become so...dreary. I am amazed by RWED's ability to make even transform the contentious into the utterly petty and boring.
Truly, the cure for racism is reading Rappy and Kane post about race.
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I'm not missing anything, and there's nothing for me to betray here.
YOU made the comparison, not me.
No where, NO WHERE has there been any hint of violence, bigotry or hatred shown by Tea Partiers to minorities.
Either you don't believe Mark Williams and the Tea Party Express are (or WERE) part of the "Tea Partiers", or you don't believe that anything he said or posted is in any way racist or bigoted. Either way, you're wrong.
You are the one who keeps insisting that such behavior DOES NOT EXIST, can't possibly BE, isn't there, has never happened. All one need do to prove you irrevocably wrong is show one single instance of it existing. That's been done, MORE than once.
To stand there and deny it shows you up as the fool you are already known to be.
I can point to racism in the Democratic party, such as Robert Byrd's Klan membership, and say without reservation that he was wrong, he was an idiot, and his views should be called out and ridiculed. And they were.
I can point to racism in the Republican party, such as Rush Limbaugh's, and say without reservation that he is wrong, he is an idiot, and he should be called out and ridiculed. And he is. And I can point to racism in the Tea Party movement, like Mark Williams's, and say without reservation that he is wrong, he is an idiot, and he should be called out and ridiculed.
The thing is, YOU can only find racism in one of those examples, because you are permanently blinded by your partisanship, and will either never see it in your own party, or can never admit it if you DO see it.
And now, of course, you'll declare that this subject is closed, there's nothing to talk about, and you won't debate further, because you can't. You've lost. You've hung yourself all the way out there by hanging your beliefs on such a ridiculous premise ("NO WHERE has there been any hint of bigotry by the Tea Partiers towards any minority"), and you've been cut off. Similarly, when you say that "ALL of the left" blames Bush and claims he blew up the levees, and then all you can find is one single person saying that, you blow your credibility. You hung yourself out again. You'd have had an easy score if I'd said that NOBODY on the left had EVER said that Bush blew the levees. But you claimed that ALL of us claimed it, a claim that is easily proven baseless.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
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I'm not missing anything, and there's nothing for me to betray here.
YOU made the comparison, not me.
No where, NO WHERE has there been any hint of violence, bigotry or hatred shown by Tea Partiers to minorities.
The same can't be said of Islamic terrorists.
Comparison fail, on your part - big time.
No really, look again: it's comparing Muslims, and not terrorists, to Tea Partiers. 'Muslims'. Not 'terrorists'.
'Muslims' corresponds with 'Tea Partiers', and 'Terrorists' corresponds with 'Racists'. Are you complaining that this is unfair on racists? Or that the Tea Party protests don't have a racist element (or no more than the proportion that exists in the civilian population)?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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AU,
The question was "How can I prove I am not a racist?" and I gave an answer to that specific question. If you can show compassion to people who consider themselves to be a different race from yours(regardless of your own feelings on the matter) on issues of race, you've proved you're prolly not a racist. However, if you fail to do this, it does not follow that you are a racist. But if you are outraged or disgusted by my answer, then yeah, I may start getting the idea that you're a bit racist, in terms of how you think. That wouldn't be the end of the world.
Quote:AURaptor, you and I don't think alike. That's obvious, isn't it? I see a lot of misery in the world growing out of this "either/or" way of thinking. We divide people that way, we divide ourselves that way, because very often what we think of as a matter of "either/or" is really, truly and forevermore, "both/and." When we love someone do we only love them? Do we have any non-loving feelings for them? Of course we do, it's only human. To deny my unloving feelings toward the ones I love, just means lying, dissembling to them, and that creates distance, undermines the love. Y'know what I mean?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
HK
Are you an individual, or are you a "race"?
Of course I think of myself as an individual (eccentric, even). I also am aware that I belong to an ethnic group or "race." I know I share a lot of characteristics with other people based on any number of criteria--race, sex, vegetarianism, etc. Bloodline matters, culture matters, but I do try to focus on my individuality in most cases. However, if I meet a black person who is hostile toward me on racial grounds I will tend to forgive him his prejudice in light of our nation's history and his personal experiences which have clearly been bad enough that he feels the need to mistrust an entire race of people because of it.
I'm painfully aware of our country's history and the scars left over from slavery and segregation. Did you know lynchings used to be celebrated, something you'd bring the whole family to and take pictures with the corpses? I'm not talking about in the days of slavery, I'm talking about this century! That these pictures used to be converted into postcards and sold in drugstores? I don't bring that up to implicate all whites in such lynchings or to exonerate all black hostility, only to give you just a single example of how accepted the torture and murder of black people was by our predominantly white culture only some 3 generations ago.
I am a little less sympathetic (just a little, mind) to a white person who finds he needs to blame all black people for his personal difficulties with black individuals in his past, because at no time in our American history have white people been tortured and murdered while whole families of blacks in their Sunday best celebrated and got their pictures taken with the corpse. There is a real inequity in experience there and it impacts my reaction to the folks I meet in my life. Only time can heal such wounds and I believe people deserve all the time they need.
You may call that racism, or perhaps racial favoritism and I see no reason to argue with you, because I think I understand how you get there. I see your point. But I know I get there by way of compassion. I only hope you can see my point.
Quote:Of course I would prefer that you judge me by my character, but we don't always get what we want in life and I'm not a crybaby. If you choose to judge me by the color of my skin, I'll likely be saddened by it, but again, I can't control you, wouldn't want to, and tend to understand where most folk are coming from.
Are we to judge you by your character, or the color of your skin?
Quote:Well, that's nice and all, but it betrays a somewhat shallow apprec
My 'race' has done no injustices to people of color. I can honestly say that because we didn't transport anyone on a cargo ship, didn't buy / sell anyone, didn't treat anyone like property or cattle.
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All Hail the Great and Mighty Mincing, for stating the obvious!
I never thought that one of the most taboo subjects of modern life could become so...dreary. I am amazed by RWED's ability to make even transform the contentious into the utterly petty and boring.
Truly, the cure for racism is reading Rappy and Kane post about race.
Thank you Mincing, for the needed perspective. I wonder off and on why people keep on keepin' on trying to get through, rather than try once and give up (I know, I have trouble remembering that sometimes, but I'm trying to!).
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You can never prove you are not a racist to a liberal, once they know you are a Conservative their minds are made up. I know you are not a racist. And every conservative on this board knows you are not. So why care.....I am sure you don't.
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You can never prove you are not a racist to a liberal, once they know you are a Conservative their minds are made up. I know you are not a racist. And every conservative on this board knows you are not. So why care.....I am sure you don't.
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Kane for the Win... and the truth.
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You can never prove you are not a racist to a liberal, once they know you are a Conservative their minds are made up. I know you are not a racist. And every conservative on this board knows you are not. So why care.....I am sure you don't.
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how is a picture of Obama, made out to be a witch-doctor, racist? it's satire for crying out loud, quit being so sensitive.
you people on the left really need to get a backbone and try to stick up for your ideological views based on there merits for once, rather then resorting to impuning the character of your opponants. if you believe in marxist, collectivist thought, be up front and honest, and argue your points! if even a quarter of so called 'tea partiers' were racist, that would still leave three quarters who aren't, who have legitimate concerns and political differences. i think it says more about you, that you cannot appreciate a grassroots movement advocating liberty and individual freedom. why throw the baby out with the bath water, just because some in the movement are not yet consistent in their advocacy for personal liberty? its the message! is there someone here actually arguing against liberty?
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"You people on the right really need to get a backbone and try to stick up for your ideological views based on there (sic) merits for once, rather then resorting to impuning the character of your opponants."
That was too easy. Given that's what you do consistently, and little else, it fits so well.
You haven't been listening, dear; you haven't heard all the repeated statements that "nobody thinks the whole Tea Party is racist", nor have you noticed that the Repubs have made it clear the Midterms are to be about OBAMA, not the issues, and at one point one of their leaders said quite clearly that they were NOT GOING TO ENUMERATE their platform, just run against Obama's, etc., etc. They holler "drill baby drill", apologize to Big Oil, want less regulation and less government; but they want government deciding abortion, marriage, and everything else that fits THEIR agenda. They talk about fiscal responsibility, but say taxes don't need to be paid for, Voodoo Economics tells them tax cuts pay for themselves, which has patently have been proven they do not.
If the Tea Party would make sense, I'd listen. But they bitch about raising taxes (which have been lowered--don't talk to me about the future, talk about NOW), gun control (which was actually loosened), and when interviewed, the everyday members of the Tea Party can only espouse talking points, or can't even elucidate WHY they hate Obama and his administration...all they seem able to do is toss around "liberty" and "tyranny" and "patriot" and "return to values" and "take our country away" and the usual buzz words like "fascist", "commie", "marxist" and the rest--some of which are diametrically opposed.
They scream "reverse racism" and "racism" every bit as loudly as the other side screams "racism", their kookoo candidates talk about getting rid of the Dept. of Education, Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc., bartering for healthcare, giving free enterprise free reign, but have nothing viable to put in their place...I know, they want "nothing" in their place, everybody for himself, but that's not something the public is gonna buy.
So speak to the issues yourselves and tell them to do the same, not just shout out slogans and talk about things which aren't. Or not.
"if you believe in marxist, collectivist thought, be up front and honest, and argue your points!" How about if we don't? Because we don't. You just like to holler that.
We WOULD appreciate a true grass-roots movement. One is partly responsible for putting Obama in office. But as has been shown several times, the TP Express was NEVER "grass roots", it SOLD the idea of being grass roots to disenfranchised, frightened, angry people, that's all. And the GOP has been doing their damndest to make use of them too, which is kinda becoming a problem for them right now.
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you people on the left really need to get a backbone and try to stick up for your ideological views based on there merits for once, rather then resorting to impuning the character of your opponants.
Hey, speaking of needing to get a backbone, why don't you answer my question? I've been waiting three years now...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=29741
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Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:Are you skeptical of your own beliefs, or only of those that disagree with yours?
Originally posted by antimason:
i will likely always be skeptical and left with the same questions, because no one will ever know what happened 'in the beginning'
Anyway, by bringing up the "beginning" you're running away from my point (remember that I said evolution does describe the origin, only the process since then) My point - you repeatedly claim that there are no transitional fossils, that there's no proof that one species ever shifted to another. There is proof, my dear. You refuse to look at it, but it's there. A cartoon example:
The fossils of this transition from toed feet to hooves have been found, in our very earth. I'm sure there are museums where you can go see these fossilized bones set out before you. How do you explain them away? Do you think scientists have faked them? Or do you just try really hard not to look?
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KPO said: "And with IQ scores, get out of your head that they are measures of genetic intelligence, and see them as 'realised brain potential', or something along those lines."
I just wanted to add another link supporting this statement -- it has some citations of the studies it points out. The jist is that IQ tests measure various parameters, but it is hard to define what true intelligence is and IQ tests don't really measure innate intelligence -- they measure some problem solving skills (with a western philosophical foundation at its root), processing speed,a person's math/language skills, and some other factors. Also, IQ test results are based on what a person has already learned -- if a person has had plenty of opportunity to learn reading and math, they are going to score higher (in general). But it doesn't measure a person's future potential or their chances for future success. Those growing up in educationally/economically impoverished environments are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to taking IQ tests. Also, even an individual's perception of their own intelligence/test taking ability will affect their results (ie, if a person thinks they're dumb, chances are they'll test lower than they would have if they were more confident).
To sum, IQ tests don't appear to measure innate intelligence and they don't measure a person's future potential.
http://www.audiblox2000.com/dyslexia_dyslexic/dyslexia014.htm
ETA: As far as the original posted question. I would say that I agree with the people who are saying it is hard to prove one is not a racist, but a good start would be actively seeking to remove/disavow obviously racist elements in whatever organization you support. Yes, this applies to "reverse" racism, too. Racism is not just white oppressing blacks...
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Originally posted by antimason:
you people on the left really need to get a backbone and try to stick up for your ideological views based on there merits for once, rather then resorting to impuning the character of your opponants.
What have you just done with your post, other than try to impugn the character of your opponents? Sounds like you need a backbone! Maybe you haven't evolved enough to become a vertebrate yet, eh? ;)
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Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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Originally posted by antimason:
you people on the left really need to get a backbone and try to stick up for your ideological views based on there merits for once, rather then resorting to impuning the character of your opponants.
Hey, speaking of needing to get a backbone, why don't you answer my question? I've been waiting three years now...
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Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:Are you skeptical of your own beliefs, or only of those that disagree with yours?
Originally posted by antimason:
i will likely always be skeptical and left with the same questions, because no one will ever know what happened 'in the beginning'
Anyway, by bringing up the "beginning" you're running away from my point (remember that I said evolution does describe the origin, only the process since then) My point - you repeatedly claim that there are no transitional fossils, that there's no proof that one species ever shifted to another. There is proof, my dear. You refuse to look at it, but it's there. A cartoon example:
The fossils of this transition from toed feet to hooves have been found, in our very earth. I'm sure there are museums where you can go see these fossilized bones set out before you. How do you explain them away? Do you think scientists have faked them? Or do you just try really hard not to look?
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Y'know, M4P, we've been very, VERRRRYYYY patient, waiting all this time for Ant to evolve and grow a backbone and face this question. I guess he's still hundreds of millions of years away from the truth, though...
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Go fuck yourself.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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Hey, speaking of needing to get a backbone, why don't you answer my question? I've been waiting three years now...
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i will likely always be skeptical and left with the same questions, because no one will ever know what happened 'in the beginning'
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Are you skeptical of your own beliefs, or only of those that disagree with yours?
Anyway, by bringing up the "beginning" you're running away from my point (remember that I said evolution does describe the origin, only the process since then) My point - you repeatedly claim that there are no transitional fossils, that there's no proof that one species ever shifted to another. There is proof, my dear. You refuse to look at it, but it's there.
hahahahaahahaha! are you kidding me? just how long have you been sitting on this? tell me this whole time now you haven't been dwelling on that conversation? how long have you been sitting on this, just waiting to throw it out when its most irrelevant? i had to laugh- thats like taking a full 30 seconds to respond with a comeback from an off the cuff jab. in all honesty, i never even saw that response of yours. if it's eating at you, start a new thread, but can we try to stick to the subject at hand- we're talking about politics, not debating creation/evolution. if you do i'm sure i'll be there giving my opinions, same as you all. but forgive me if some peoples responses get lost in the shuffle, especially when you represent a minority view. its like being on stage, and trying to debate a crowd of people just shouting at you and over eachother. but i get under the skin of some people aroud here, so i must be doing something right
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Either you don't believe Mark Williams and the Tea Party Express are (or WERE) part of the "Tea Partiers", or you don't believe that anything he said or posted is in any way racist or bigoted. Either way, you're wrong.
No, you're wrong.
There's nothing remotely " racist " about lower taxes, smaller gov't, securing the border and balancing the budget.
I don't care what you say, what the NAACP says, what Obama says, there's nothing in the least bit 'racist' about the Tea Party movement.
This entire nonsense is nothing but a diversion by the Left to attack the right....
" deflect.. change the subject... call them racists!"
That's the sum of it all , in its entirety.
The Left simply can not win a debate on the merits of the facts alone, and must - MUST resort to cheap demagoguery and sensational tactics.
And you're no different.
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.But it doesn't measure a person's future potential or their chances for future success.
QFT.
Of all the incorrect statements in your post, you did nail it right here. Numerous High-IQ societies have made this obvious, and consider it a running joke among the groups.
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Quote:I'll see your hahaha and raise you a BWAH-HAHAHAHA! You did it again, huh? How predictable.
Originally posted by antimason:
hahahahaahahaha! are you kidding me? just how long have you been sitting on this?
We all see who's got no backbone. Again Antimason avoids. This time he doesn't disappear, but begs: "No - please don't bring up that topic again! Please don't make me look at that! I can't even include the picture in my quote, I've got to close my eyes. I've tried so hard to see only what the creationist sites show me. I avoid the discovery channel, museums, and anyone who's actually capable of *thinking* about reality! Please don't knock on my denial walls! I need them to keep me safe and warm!"
Anti, I'm going to keep bringing this up as long as you keep running away from it with your little vestigial tail between your legs. It's been several times now. Go on - avoid dealing with the question one more time. Here's your chance:
How do you explain the very real transitional fossils dug out of the ground, like this, which came from a peer-reviewed paper:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/v16470436056263j/
(Denial/Avoidance in 5, 4, 3 ...)
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There are no transitional fossils. Macro evolution has never been witnessed and never will, not because it takes so long but because it never happened. Sure there are many similar forms and one can conclude that these must be transitional forms. There are only so many forms because all species are created from the same set of materials. Think of it as a set of legos you can only make a given number of things from the set given it's pieces , and a lot will look a like. Just a guess. I don't really know...Only god knows for sure
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Originally posted by Malachite:
.But it doesn't measure a person's future potential or their chances for future success.
QFT.
Of all the incorrect statements in your post, you did nail it right here.
Would you mind elaborating on what statements of mine you thought were incorrect? Perhaps with a link to an authoritive resource? Thanks.
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70% of black births are illegitimate, no father taking responsibility. Black leaders rarely dare acknowledge or condemn that race's national disgrace. Typical scenario is single working or welfare mamas with 5 kids from 4 different "sperm daddies". Only way these doomed-to-fail kids know who their daddy is if their mama tells them. And none of them were ever slaves. White Liberals do their little dance of guilt and make excuse after after excuse for Blacks. Our entire society has been dragged down because of pc correctness white-washing despicable behavior.
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70% of black births are illegitimate, no father taking responsibility. Black leaders rarely dare acknowledge or condemn that race's national disgrace. Typical scenario is single working or welfare mamas with 5 kids from 4 different "sperm daddies". Only way these doomed-to-fail kids know who their daddy is if their mama tells them. And none of them were ever slaves. White Liberals do their little dance of guilt and make excuse after after excuse for Blacks. Our entire society has been dragged down because of pc correctness white-washing despicable behavior.
Even if your statements were true, which I doubt (70% seems a bit high, and your "typical scenario" may not be so typical if by typical you mean "a majority"), you are still pointing to significant environmental deprivation (lack of stable family, lack of parental supervision, lack of proper nutrition, a single parent with low education having limited education themselves and limited financial resources to help their children succeed academically, an emphasis on survival in dangerous neighborhoods as a priority rather than academic success, idealization of the gang lifestyle, stigmatization of blacks who actually do have academic success in these scenarios by their own peers, lack of quality educational institutions in impoverished neighborhoods, etc) that could explain lower academic achievement and lower IQ scores rather than some innate genetic deficiency that dictates that blacks have less innate intelligence than whites. I would argue that whites experiencing similar environmental pressures would also perform worse than average as well.
To sum: you have pointed out environmental deficiencies that continue to contribute to poor academic success. We can choose to let this pattern continue, or we can figure out how to change the environment. Ideally, this comes from within the black community itself (as you mentioned, black leaders calling attention to the problems and then, hopefully proposing solutions), but chances are, it is going to need outside funding and outside resources as well. I say it needs to be spearheaded by blacks because some may have mistrust of some major overhaul spearheaded by whites.
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"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
70% of black births are illegitimate, no father taking responsibility. Black leaders rarely dare acknowledge or condemn that race's national disgrace. Typical scenario is single working or welfare mamas with 5 kids from 4 different "sperm daddies". Only way these doomed-to-fail kids know who their daddy is if their mama tells them. And none of them were ever slaves. White Liberals do their little dance of guilt and make excuse after after excuse for Blacks. Our entire society has been dragged down because of pc correctness white-washing despicable behavior.
Even if your statements were true, which I doubt (70% seems a bit high, and your "typical scenario" may not be so typical if by typical you mean "a majority"), you are still pointing to significant environmental deprivation (lack of stable family, lack of parental supervision, lack of proper nutrition, a single parent with low education having limited education themselves and limited financial resources to help their children succeed academically, an emphasis on survival in dangerous neighborhoods as a priority rather than academic success, idealization of the gang lifestyle, stigmatization of blacks who actually do have academic success in these scenarios by their own peers, lack of quality educational institutions in impoverished neighborhoods, etc) that could explain lower academic achievement and lower IQ scores rather than some innate genetic deficiency that dictates that blacks have less innate intelligence than whites. I would argue that whites experiencing similar environmental pressures would also perform worse than average as well.
To sum: you have pointed out environmental deficiencies that continue to contribute to poor academic success. We can choose to let this pattern continue, or we can figure out how to change the environment. Ideally, this comes from within the black community itself (as you mentioned, black leaders calling attention to the problems and then, hopefully proposing solutions), but chances are, it is going to need outside funding and outside resources as well. I say it needs to be spearheaded by blacks because some may have mistrust of some major overhaul spearheaded by whites.
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate. As to 5 kids being "typical", that's just some hyperbole, but as you say, doesn't explain or excuse the social and economic havoc that befalls these fatherless kids.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate.
Wow, I was skeptical of the 70% number, but I can't find anything that disputes this. The best link I found supporting the number was http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf
That is just sad. I figured the rate was high, but I had no idea it was that high...
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I would argue its higher than that, especially in urban areas. But that the rates in non-urban areas compensate.
Its a cultural thing.
Much like how many hispanics feel that men "gift" women with children, black women feel they have some "power" if they have a kid.
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I love it when stuff like that is used as an argument for anything. It says nothing about the actual situtatio-- to whom birth control is available/affordable--lack of education, or society's affect on a population. It's real credible...NOT!Quote:
But for may poor women, obtaining this control to plan their families remains out of reach. Women in developing countries experience 51 million unintended pregnancies each year because of lack of contraception. Giving women access to modern contraception and family planning also helps to boost economic growth while reducing high birth rates so strongly linked with endemic poverty, poor education, and high numbers of maternal and infant deaths. Improving girls’ education, giving women equal economic opportunities, and lifting families out of poverty are also important for lowering birth rates.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I love it when stuff like that is used as an argument for anything.
Niki -- I wasn't aware the 70% number was being used as an argument for anything except perhaps, that it is another indicator of environmental inequalities which possibly could contribute to lower performance on IQ testing. Are you objecting to the number for some other reason? Am I inadvertantly using this number to say something else?
Of course, it is always relevant to ask why the statistic is so high (and your quotation about limited access to healthcare and poverty contributing to the problem seems relevant to me).
ETA: Oh, I see that maybe you were responding to Wulf's comment of, "It's a cultural thing"
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate.
Wow, I was skeptical of the 70% number, but I can't find anything that disputes this. The best link I found supporting the number was http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf
That is just sad. I figured the rate was high, but I had no idea it was that high...
Of course that number is accurate. Go back and read about how blacks cannot pass up instant gratification. It is the root of all their problems. From illegitimate births, crime, and drug use. They have an inability to form a just culture because they have not evolved the ability to pass up instant gratification.
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I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.
However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.
Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?
Those are the questions you should ask.
Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?
Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I love it when stuff like that is used as an argument for anything. It says nothing about the actual situtatio-- to whom birth control is available/affordable--lack of education, or society's affect on a population. It's real credible...NOT!Quote:
But for may poor women, obtaining this control to plan their families remains out of reach. Women in developing countries experience 51 million unintended pregnancies each year because of lack of contraception. Giving women access to modern contraception and family planning also helps to boost economic growth while reducing high birth rates so strongly linked with endemic poverty, poor education, and high numbers of maternal and infant deaths. Improving girls’ education, giving women equal economic opportunities, and lifting families out of poverty are also important for lowering birth rates.
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All blacks in this country can get contraception. You can't believe that they have all those little bastards because they can't get condoms. Do you?
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Originally posted by Malachite:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate.
Wow, I was skeptical of the 70% number, but I can't find anything that disputes this. The best link I found supporting the number was http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf
That is just sad. I figured the rate was high, but I had no idea it was that high...
Of course that number is accurate. Go back and read about how blacks cannot pass up instant gratification. It is the root of all their problems. From illegitimate births, crime, and drug use. They have an inability to form a just culture because they have not evolved the ability to pass instant gratification.
Hmmm, doesn't that generalization sound just a bit racist?
(Unless you are a sociology expert who has extensively studied minorities and/or you have some validated, generally recognized body of evidence that backs that generalization up).I would argue that we are all moving towards a need/demand/expectation for instant gratification...
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So I'm thinking about the instant gratification argument more. I might be able to buy that people in awful social circumstances might have a harder time delaying gratification. If there is no hope for the future, no chance of escaping your neighborhood or getting a better life (particularly because school isn't your thing, or your peers' thing, or because you don't have quality educational opportunities), why not do what feels good at the time? How would you see the point in delaying gratification? I don't see this as a race inferiority thing, I see this as a human nature thing.
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I see it as an inability to escape the now of Wolf-thought.
You can't imagine a future... you don't have the intelligence to look beyond what is NOW NOW NOW.
Or, you might be able to imagine a better future.. but lack the faith in it (hope).
Who knows.
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I'd need to see more information on this idea that they can't resist instant gratification, I suspect such studies would be very hard to construct in a way that removes all outside factors. If you're pulling whites and blacks from the same geographic region and socio-economic background and there's a discrepancy, there might be something intangible at work here as well, like maybe racial bias toward the person conducting the experiment. If a black kid is told they can't trust a white person, and a white person says "you can have this candy bar now, or I'll give you one later," I think it's fairly obvious what the kid might do.
I've also been subject to such an experiment as well, and I chose the little candy bar right then, and this was because I planned to buy a bigger candy bar for myself later. Seen this way, I believed I was therefore getting more candy with quicker results. It could be that a kid is also hungry and doesn't have the option I did, so they might also want the candy bar then. Factors.
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Or, you might be able to imagine a better future.. but lack the faith in it (hope).
This rings of some truth, Wulf.
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Quote:Black American culture is predominantly anti-abortion on religious grounds. And abortions cost money, the pill is 30 bucks a month, so poor folk of any race are gonna have less access. Use your noodle.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.
Quote:Exactly: who created black American culture? Um...that question is easily answered.
However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.
Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?
For four hundred years on this continent, marriage among blacks was systematically and painstakingly dismantled. Black children were separated from their parents as a matter of policy. Black couples could be broken up for any reason at the whim of the white slave masters and generally were if they showed signs of dangerous emotions like love and loyalty. White slave masters routinely impregnated their female slaves to the point that modern African Americans rarely have more than 60% African blood (and gee, if that doesn't seriously interfere with anyone's racist fantasies of African genes being to blame for modern American black culture, no amount of reason will).
If we look back to their parent cultures in Africa we see predominantly patriarchal and polygamous traditions. Male parentage could not be more emphasized. Gee, what could possibly account for such a high rate of illegitimacy among African Americans today? What factor differentiates black American culture from the black African cultures from which they were taken?
Do you honestly imagine 400 years of black women being raped by white masters, 400 years of marriages routinely broken expressly to destroy the bonds between man and woman, 400 years of children sold to further undermine black family connections, 400 years of having their ties to Africa destroyed, their language outlawed, their traditions undermined--can you honestly say you think African Americans can reverse 400 years of the most aggressive social engineering the world has ever known, in just a few generations trying to coexist with the very culture responsible for their cultural annihilation?
HKCavalier
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Oh wow HK, its becoming so rare these days that I meet someone so far removed from the truth of things. Someone still so ready to quote chapter and verse from their college sociology text-book.
But ok.
Im not even going to go the route of arguing. Its pointless. You have MUCH book-learning, but no real life experience.
In a few years, if you pursue an actual learning experience, we might be able to talk.
I mean no disrespect, but I can't argue with someone whose only learning, comes from the books their parents bought them for college.
ETA: Not to say that college doesn't have its place. But I place higher importance on experience. Sorry, but watching from a guilded balcony, doesnt really teach you anything.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
For four hundred years on this continent, marriage among blacks was systematically and painstakingly dismantled. Black children were separated from their parents as a matter of policy. Black couples could be broken up for any reason at the whim of the white slave masters and generally were if they showed signs of dangerous emotions like love and loyalty. White slave masters routinely impregnated their female slaves to the point that modern African Americans rarely have more than 60% African blood (and gee, if that doesn't seriously interfere with anyone's racist fantasies of African genes being to blame for modern American black culture, no amount of reason will).
If we look back to their parent cultures in Africa we see predominantly patriarchal and polygamous traditions. Male parentage could not be more emphasized. Gee, what could possibly account for such a high rate of illegitimacy among African Americans today? What factor differentiates black American culture from the black African cultures from which they were taken?
Do you honestly imagine 400 years of black women being raped by white masters, 400 years of marriages routinely broken expressly to destroy the bonds between man and woman, 400 years of children sold to further undermine black family connections, 400 years of having their ties to Africa destroyed, their language outlawed, their traditions undermined--can you honestly say you think African Americans can reverse 400 years of the most aggressive social engineering the world has ever known, in just a few generations trying to coexist with the very culture responsible for their cultural annihilation?
HKCavalier
Free Blacks living in the north and west must have made a concentrated effort to mimic their Southern brothers in slavery. What a great excuse that would have been for them to justify their purient instincts and lack of social and ethical responsibilities. And 150 years later, why ever evolve and mature as a segment of society? So much better to just wallow in their vile and unholy behavior and blame slavery. And with white liberal idiots supporting their lame-ass excuses and paying them off for their funny little cultural flaws, why indeed ever change?
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Quote:The fuck? You don't know shit about me, ya Goofy Gus. So, I'm the brainwashed one in this conversation? That's fine, if you don't reply to my post, that'll be one less reason for me to check in on this thoroughly disgusting thread. I thank you.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Oh wow HK, its becoming so rare these days that I meet someone so far removed from the truth of things. Someone still so ready to quote chapter and verse from their college sociology text-book.
But ok.
Im not even going to go the route of arguing. Its pointless. You have MUCH book-learning, but no real life experience.
In a few years, if you pursue an actual learning experience, we might be able to talk.
I mean no disrespect, but I can't argue with someone whose only learning, comes from the books their parents bought them for college.
"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."
Carry on.
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River, that doesn't help.
You've got to express truth without pissing in peoples faces.
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"The fuck? You don't know shit about me, ya Goofy Gus. So, I'm the brainwashed one in this conversation? That's fine, if you don't reply to my post, that'll be one less reason for me to check in on this thoroughly disgusting thread. I thank you.
Carry on."
No, I don't know anything about you. But I can see that you are quoting chapter and verse some of the same things I saw in MY Sociology 101 course.
And I can further tell that by..
"That's fine, if you don't reply to my post, that'll be one less reason for me to check in on this thoroughly disgusting thread."
You are unprepared, and immature enough, to see beyond that which has been fed you.
Again, I hope that one day you will live long enough and full enough to see beyond that which you have been fed.
Until then, by all means, have a good life.
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That answers THAT one for me. I think there are a lot of cultural difficulties between us, who own computers, have jobs or are otherwise free to debate here, and those who struggle just to survive and feed their families every day. It leads to misconsceptions and lack of understanding.
Black American culture is predominantly anti-abortion on religious grounds. And abortions cost money, the pill is 30 bucks a month, so poor folk of any race are gonna have less access.
Wulf, I disagree that what he said is just rote learning. I would say rather that your views, from your "real world experience" are skewed and you seem unable to grasp the realities of the greater world outside your own experience.
Cav deciding not to engage you further can be a recognition that there is no meeting of the minds, therefore it's an exercise in futility. I don't think you realize this; anyone who decides not to engage further in a futile debate SHOULD be smart enough to pull away and do something more constructive with their time.
I maintain that your experience is limited, just as you say his is, by one culture and one culture alone, and that the larger society does not represent that culture nearly as much as you believe it does.
There's nothing wrong with learning; it may not reflect all societies, experiences and cultures, but it is more often backed by science and a broad view than it is based in one person's experiences.
Oh, HK, you forgot that slaves were BRED by their masters, too, in order to enhance this or that characteristic. If one considers those very real 400 years, then extrapolates that from that time on there was nonetheless a struggle to integrate into society, far more often than not stymied BY that society, then perhaps one can draw a conclusion; but one has to begin with an equal standing in society, which is impossible in this debate. Some here seem determined to state that Blacks have an equal place in society; they do not yet, despite "civil rights" legislation and attempts at integration. It's not possible for us here to judge them, nor have we the right to try, in my opinion.
In other words, "round and round and round we go, and where we stop, everyone knows"--impasse. With maybe some insults thrown in for good measure.
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"Wulf, I disagree that what he said is just rote learning. I would say rather that your views, from your "real world experience" are skewed and you seem unable to grasp the realities of the greater world outside your own experience."
No, I know there are places out there. Lands of milk and honey, safe places filled with good, nice, innocent, hard-working people.
I've visited them, I've seen them.
Why do you think I fight so hard to keep them safe?
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Of course that number is accurate. Go back and read about how blacks cannot pass up instant gratification. It is the root of all their problems. From illegitimate births, crime, and drug use. They have an inability to form a just culture because they have not evolved the ability to pass up instant gratification.
I had no idea you were black. You've just accurately described yourself, you know.
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You too eh ?
Me, I've been chuckling up my sleeve and entertaining thoughts of the liberal application of a rubber mallet, myself.
Don't expect it to make sense, it just flat don't, Byte - people seldom do, no matter how much we wish to hell they would.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.
However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.
Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?
Those are the questions you should ask.
Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?
Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.
"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."
Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.
However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.
Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?
Those are the questions you should ask.
Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?
Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.
"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."
Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.
Can you elaborate on this? What are you referring to? Thanks.
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I only ask the questions. I'll leave you to figure out the answers.
Remember, knowledge is earned, it can't be given.
However.
Why would you create an ideology stating that abortion is a "womens RIGHT to choose", then build a large amount of clinics in certain areas?
Abortion is a "woman being in CONTROL" of her own body...
Who and why would anyone want to CONTROL a groups ability to breed?
"The trouble with Scotland is that there are too many Scots!"
If family has been the lynchpin and cornerstone of civilization and culture for milenia,
why would someone want to rearrange, change, or destroy that?
Im really not being PN about this. Just my observations.
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Originally posted by Malachite:Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.
However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.
Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?
Those are the questions you should ask.
Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?
Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.
"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."
Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.
Can you elaborate on this? What are you referring to? Thanks.
MI has many screwed up laws.
Many teen girls want to get pregnant instead of work, have a career. The state gives them $ for having and raising a kid, and then confiscate the funds from the sperm donor. If there are 2 kids from the same father, much less money is paid for the second kid. But if each kid is from a different father, she gets the full payout for each kid. Lasts for 18 years, then there are many women about 40ish suddenly in need of a new meal ticket.
One law is the "Every Child is a Bastard" Law, so that some women have kids with their boyfriend, but the law dictates that the father is her husband. After enough kids, she can then divorce, and the ex-husband is financially responsible for all the kids, child support, until they're all 18, while they all live with their mom and biological dad.
Just 2 key ones.
Think about how those affect societal pressures.
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So. Why would a group want to destabalize the familial structure?
What possible gain can you get from that?
And when has that been done before, and why?
Hint. 1800's, America.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So. Why would a group want to destabalize the familial structure?
What possible gain can you get from that?
And when has that been done before, and why?
Hint. 1800's, America.
Dude, you JUST said you weren't giving the answers, just asking the questions.
So stop giving us your answers already!
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:Quote:
Originally posted by Malachite:Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.
However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.
Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?
Those are the questions you should ask.
Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?
Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.
"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."
Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.
Can you elaborate on this? What are you referring to? Thanks.
MI has many screwed up laws.
Many teen girls want to get pregnant instead of work, have a career. The state gives them $ for having and raising a kid, and then confiscate the funds from the sperm donor. If there are 2 kids from the same father, much less money is paid for the second kid. But if each kid is from a different father, she gets the full payout for each kid. Lasts for 18 years, then there are many women about 40ish suddenly in need of a new meal ticket.
One law is the "Every Child is a Bastard" Law, so that some women have kids with their boyfriend, but the law dictates that the father is her husband. After enough kids, she can then divorce, and the ex-husband is financially responsible for all the kids, child support, until they're all 18, while they all live with their mom and biological dad.
Just 2 key ones.
Think about how those affect societal pressures.
Yeah, those type of laws are double edged swords. You want to provide some income to the unemployed/undereducated mother so the children can be provided for, but it is open to abuse by those mothers who don't actually want to work (or who don't actually use the money to care for the child. The ones that use the money to support a drug habit, for example, really upset me.). Wow, if MI actually pays more for children of different fathers, that would just seem counterproductive (if the goal is reducing illegitimacy rates).
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Or... maybe its meant to produce MORE illegitamacy rates...
Who knows?
Hmm?
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Or... maybe its meant to produce MORE illegitamacy rates...
Who knows?
Hmm?
All right, I'll bite. What, exactly, are you referring to, Wulf?
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Well, you have to read the posts up above.
Draw your own conclusions.
But.
High illegitimacy rates, lack of familial structure, (broken families),
seems a good way to control a population, doesnt it?
Its been done before, is being done again (my opinion of course).
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Well, you have to read the posts up above.
Draw your own conclusions.
But.
High illegitimacy rates, lack of familial structure, (broken families),
seems a good way to control a population, doesnt it?
Not really. Lack of family structure, broken homes, no real ties to anything or anyone... That sounds like a recipe for having lots of "lone Wulfs", not for controlling a population. You want to "control" a population, you tie them somewhere - to a job, a community, a family, a culture - THEN you have them by the balls. Take all that away, and you have people with no real reason to partake in your society in any meaningful way.
Just sayin'.
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Agree with Kwick.
With a broken down society in what way are people controlled - are they used for something, or prevented from doing something? I can only imagine we're venturing into PN territory here...
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Broken families...
then the state becomes your parents.
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More Invaders and Illegal Immigrants Coming?
MIGRANTS BEG BIDEN TO LET THEM IN
A large group of migrants walked right up to the San Ysidro Port of entry chanting and holding up handmade signs that read, “We want answers, we’re in danger, we want asylum.”
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It was part of a demonstration staged by hundreds of migrants who have been living at a makeshift campsite just south of the border since mid-February.
They were loud, yelling at the top of their lungs hoping President Joe Biden would hear their pleas.
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Let's hope he does. Our issues are of our own making. Time to step up and do the right thing for people we've been screwing over for decades.
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Let's hope he does. Our issues are of our own making. Time to step up and do the right thing for people we've been screwing over for decades.
Fuck you Roomba.
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Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.
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HKCAVALIER: Not so fast, Time Lord! We are speaking here of how "I" can prove I'm not racist, not whether folk who believe I'm racist can agree on criteria for defining me as such. "I" am still specifically powerless to change their minds for them. Still a fruitless enterprise. Still, best to avoid such folk, if I can.
No one can convince me that I am racist, either (but thanks for trying). I must come to that conclusion on my own.
Next!
HKCavalier
You can never prove to anyone that you aren't a racist if they insist on seeing you as one.
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
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The SJW Attacks itself?
https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=106&tid=172033&page=240
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Antifa call black man a Nazi and Racist
They just went Full Wakanda? Armed Black Afro Supremacists in Tulsa: They look like the Black Panther photo stuff from the 70s. ‘There Will Come a Time When We Will Kill Everything White Crakka in Sight’ ... I'm not sure about the rest of his Jive talk creole Pigeon English ebonics gibberish...maybe someone else can translate his rants
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=xImSEyogQXk
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xImSEyogQXk
Maybe Real Guns but also some AirSoft guns pained up and disguised as AK's?
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SJW Eating Itself?
Saratoga BLM disrupts City Council meeting over police reform, abolishment
https://dailygazette.com/2023/02/08/saratoga-blm-disrupts-city-council
-meeting-over-police-reform-abolishment/
Zyahna Bryant is hired by Dove to promote 'FAT liberation' despite ruining white student's life over 'misheard' remark at BLM protest
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12516377/zyahna-bryant-dove-m
organ-bettinger-charlottesville.html
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Two black teenage girls beat a Jewish woman unconscious and the legacy media won’t cover it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
https://twitter.com/WorldByWolf/status/1733596747216097448
Imagine if this was two white teenagers attacking a black woman completely unprovoked. It would be headline news for days.
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