A Browncoat sex poll (not for kids- R rated!!)

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 12:24 AM

Is it the point of sex to make your partner orgasm, or yourself?
In other words, does your pleasure come mostly from your own, or your lovers'?

Personally. it's not all about me.

Thoughts?

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Monday, August 2, 2010 12:26 AM

What are you up to, Chris?

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 12:31 AM

Sorry, it posted before I could type the question.
Dumass computer.

BYTEMITE

Monday, August 2, 2010 12:35 AM

Like in all forms of human interaction, I assume if the experience is not enjoyable for both participants, then they will eventually discontinue that form of interaction.

I guess you would call that mutualism. So I would say that continued practice of mutualism is important for the continued survival of the species.

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 12:41 AM

That's really rather clinical.

I wanna make my lover happy before me. That's hottness IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

GEEZER

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
In other words, does your pleasure come mostly from your own, or your lover's?

Yes.

If everybody ain't having fun, ain't nobody having near as much fun as possible.
"Keep the Shiny side up"

MINCINGBEAST

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:11 AM

The point of sex is procreation. Pleasure is irrelevant.

KWICKO

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:12 AM

Both.

NAVYSEILS

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Sorry, it posted before I could type the question.
Dumass computer.

You know, I think you can get a pill for that now :)

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:

Yes.

If everybody ain't having fun, ain't nobody having near as much fun as possible.

Well put.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
The point of sex is procreation. Pleasure is irrelevant.

Thank you Nature.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Both.

Yeah, but what is most fun in life?

To bang your lover, to see her writhe before you, and to hear the moans of your woman.

The Conan Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 2, 2010 2:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's really rather clinical.

I wanna make my lover happy before me. That's hottness IMO.

My god.... how much quiche did you have this weekend ?

KWICKO

Monday, August 2, 2010 2:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Both.
Yeah, but what is most fun in life?

To bang your lover, to see her writhe before you, and to hear the moans of your woman.

Well, yes, but while I'm trying to make HER orgasm, she's doing the same to ME. And as long as everyone gets theirs, the when can be all a bonus.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, August 2, 2010 3:06 AM

It depends how much money is at stake.

BLAZINGUN

Monday, August 2, 2010 4:11 AM

I find that if the both of us are equally pleasured then it makes for a much happier next day!!!!

Lil Gal Big Gun

BYTEMITE

Monday, August 2, 2010 4:29 AM

Quote:
It depends how much money is at stake.

Yes, yes, all women are whores and/or chattel. We know.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, August 2, 2010 5:37 AM

Assuming, of course, that the woman are not faking it.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Yes We Did!

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

AGENTROUKA

Monday, August 2, 2010 9:06 AM

Just to add another viewpoint:

If your partner's visible pleasure is your sole focus, this can become a rather mood-killing form of pressure for them to perform to your satisfaction. Very little is as unsexy as feeling constantly watched like some kind of orgasmo-meter to give feedback on the partner's performance.

Sometimes sex is not about writhing but about a feeling of connection, making orgasm extremely secondary.
What about people who aren't very vocal?
What if they're having sex to please you even if they're not necessarily in The Mood themselves - not pressured into it but wanting to give something to make you feel good?

I think a healthy balance between one's own pleasure and one's partner's is best. Focusing only on yourself is pretty bad, but focusing only on your partner can be just as blinding for you and uncomfortable for them.

I like Byte's term "mutualism". It describes that balance pretty well.

KANEMAN

Monday, August 2, 2010 1:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Both.
Yeah, but what is most fun in life?

To bang your lover, to see her writhe before you, and to hear the moans of your woman.

Well, yes, but while I'm trying to make HER orgasm, she's doing the same to ME. And as long as everyone gets theirs, the when can be all a bonus.

You just don't know when to give up, do you? That's an awfully big HER ya wrote there. Trying too hard I suspect. Let's start viewing your gay-ness like our military's don't ask don't tell policy. You don't have to tell anyone you like to play in the pudding, however I don't think you should have to lie either. See, I don't think it's very good for your psyche to be living in the closet anonymously in cyber-space. Most of these candy asses wouldn't make fun of you for being a man-hole coverer. In full disclosure, I will... butt I do that anyway. So to get to the point...You can stop the charades.......Well, it's true.........

PIRATENEWS

Monday, August 2, 2010 2:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

Quote:
It depends how much money is at stake.

Yes, yes, all women are whores and/or chattel. We know.

You're not married, are you?

MAL4PREZ

Monday, August 2, 2010 3:04 PM

This post has moved elsewhere. :)

IREMISST

Monday, August 2, 2010 3:57 PM

Makes you want to bring back stonings just for one day, don't it?

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 4:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

If your partner's visible pleasure is your sole focus, this can become a rather mood-killing form of pressure

Not when lost in the throws of ecstasy.

The laughing Chrisisall

MAL4PREZ

Monday, August 2, 2010 4:22 PM

Oh - sorry for the hijack Chris. I was digging through old threads and the years-old pattern of abuse put me over the limit. Minor tantrum. I completely forget what thread this was! I'll repost it where it belongs.

Carry on with all the good sex.

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CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 4:42 PM

No prob.

NIKI2

Monday, August 2, 2010 6:01 PM

In all this, one thing has not been mentioned; what about someone pressured into having sex even when they don't want to? There are millions out there...mostly women. They fake it and never do get much pleasure. Just sayin'. And definitely ot talking about myself. Just felt it should be mentioned. In all this discussion, I thought they should be spoken up for.

I'm on the side of "mutualism". Sometimes I enjoy getting Jim off and not being "pleasured" myself but enjoying the banging just as much. With a woman, easier to get and give orgasm, for me, and of course there's no "banging" anyway, per se, so nothing to "work toward". I enjoy pleasuring, and enjoy being pleasured.

Admittedly I can't judge by any I haven't had sex with, but it always seemed to me like guys wanted to "get there" fastest And it always seemed like if they DIDN'T "get there", it wasn't enjoyable for them.

As such, I prefer women. We can pleasure for ages, and snuggle, and go back to pleasuring, take a break and start all over, etc., etc.--partly because we can have as many as we want I suppose. The pressure to get to the finish line, then it's over, with the men I've been with isn't as much fun for me.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

MINCINGBEAST

Monday, August 2, 2010 6:17 PM

Someone must represent the position that coitus, in addition to being icky, is a zero sum game. Pleasure is finite. If you're enjoying your friction and mucus (that's all sex is, but for VD), then the person unfortunate enough to be having coitus with you isn't. Hence, to be fair, neither you nor your partner should enjoy it.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 2, 2010 6:46 PM

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 2, 2010 7:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
it always seemed to me like guys wanted to "get there" fastest And it always seemed like if they DIDN'T "get there", it wasn't enjoyable for them.

It's not a race for me, it's a cruise. The only limitation being general energy levels.
And "getting there?"
I don't worry. As Wash said, that part'll happen pretty definitely.

The laughing Chrisisall

NIKI2

Monday, August 2, 2010 8:22 PM

Then you are a rare breed and much to be treasured Chris. I've never been that lucky with a male. Your partner must rejoice (or if she doesn't, SHOULD!).

You have my deepest sympathy, Mincing, since it seems you don't enjoy it. Sex is FUN...and if pleasure is finite, does that mean we shouldn't seek it?? Kind of self-defeating, isn't that?

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Monday, August 2, 2010 8:23 PM

Ooops, double post.

KIRKULES

Monday, August 2, 2010 8:38 PM

I think Tenacious D has it about right. Every encounter should have it's own dynamics and what is right one time might not be good the next.

MAL4PREZ

Monday, August 2, 2010 9:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

HA! Good one.

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BYTEMITE

Monday, August 2, 2010 9:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Someone must represent the position that coitus, in addition to being icky, is a zero sum game. Pleasure is finite. If you're enjoying your friction and mucus (that's all sex is, but for VD), then the person unfortunate enough to be having coitus with you isn't. Hence, to be fair, neither you nor your partner should enjoy it.

Unfortunately, your experiments and observations have led you astray. Try communicating with your test subjects sometime. Separate human beings don't share nerve endings, so it's possible that one might have some enjoyment without subtracting from that of their partner.

My studies have also concluded that it is gross, however, so you're not too far off the mark. I've also learned that this now inexplicably widespread practice was copped from a reproductive function, now rarely used for that intention. Only mutualism keeps them at it and from extinction, and so keeps the population awash with midges that will eventually form cocoons and emerge in the adult form. Were it not for mutualism, I imagine they wouldn't bother and would all find something better to do, like post on the internet.

MINCINGBEAST

Monday, August 2, 2010 10:22 PM

My research confirms that human beings don't share nerve endings, but for the Corsican twins. This is as it should be, because if I shared nerve endings with Wulf, for example, I would be unable to resist constantly attacking my nads. Yes, it would hurt me, but it would hurt him, too, and that's the point.

But sex is more than nerve endings--and the nerve endings involved can be enjoyed without a partner. Sex has a psychological component, and this psychological pleasure is finite. There is no greater turn off than your partner having lots of fun. Its distracting and awkward and unwholesome.

BYTEMITE

Monday, August 2, 2010 10:28 PM

Ah. I find your follow-up explanation thoroughly adequate, and entirely consistent with the standard taboo against fun.

I suspect though that the subjects would have a different explanation, and I thought the primary objective was to try to understand the human perspective. Being that, in the past, imposing outsider perspective on the subject groups has resulted in inadequate predictions of behaviour.

IREMISST

Tuesday, August 3, 2010 3:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Sex has a psychological component, and this psychological pleasure is finite. There is no greater turn off than your partner having lots of fun. Its distracting and awkward and unwholesome.

Your research is massively flawed, I suggest resetting the parameters and re-doing the experiment *only this time* try to shut your self-fucking overanalyizing brain off and try just enjoying SOMETHING for a change! I suggest mood altering paraphanalia as that is your only hope...

Good Luck, for you will need it...

IREMISST

Tuesday, August 3, 2010 4:14 AM

Sex is like pizza, when it's hot and messy, it's the best. Even when it's cold and quick it's still pretty filling...

I still love it. EVERY...DAMN...TIME. Even when things go wrong or we get interupted. Don't much care who gets theirs or when, 'cause we love each other and we both want >us< to be happy!

Here's to you hubby!

Only eight more days 'till school starts!

REENACT12321

Tuesday, August 3, 2010 5:58 AM

me thinks mincing beast is bitter about something going badly for him.

"...we need a hood ornament..."

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:34 AM

I kind of want a comic about Byte and Mince discussing reproduction. ^_^ They should wear goggles. Because it's Science(tm)!

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:57 PM

Quote:
Your research is massively flawed, I suggest resetting the parameters and re-doing the experiment *only this time* try to shut your self-fucking overanalyizing brain off and try just enjoying SOMETHING for a change! I suggest mood altering paraphanalia as that is your only hope...

Good Luck, for you will need it...

For some people, non-essential biological functions aren't worshiped as the fundamental meaning of life. Equally, it might not necessarily mean something is wrong with them, but rather just that they are different.

I note that non-reproductive altruism is a common genetic encoding for socially organized animals, such as insects, and certain mammals, including humans.

So it's perfectly within the first and second standard deviation of human thought and behaviour. These non-reproductive altruistic tendencies can manifest through alternative sexual orientations, including absence of sexual orientation and lack of interest/attraction to either gender. To this small grouping of people, it could therefore also be within reason that sex might seem pointless, and unhygienic.

Your recommendation comes across like telling a gay man to try women again because he is over analytical/hyper-critical of his experiences with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual

IREMISST

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:25 AM

I am NOT going to debate the pleasures of the flesh with someone who takes pride in NOT having them... This thread is about sex and I'm all for it!!! If you don't like it then why post here at all? It's like going to an Anti-gay rally when you are gay, which would be extremly masochistic and antagonizing and therefore illogical.

I understand why you are the way you are and respect your right to be that way and at the same time will always think of people like you as slightly damaged. If you got the parts and they work you were meant to use 'em. I'd say the same thing to anyone who would cut off a piece or decide not to use a part and tell 'em they were being (at best) illogical.

You will not convince me that asexuality is a norm... Deviations ARE normal, the deviant is not. You also can't tell me that you don't feel in the slightest bit left out -at the very least on a spiritual level because I can tell you from experience that you are MISSING OUT...Humanity is a communal species because it is advantageous to be so! You are at a disadvantage, whether or not you have chosen asexuality... If you are happy being illogical, great, I'm happy for ya!

Rant over, I'm done

Peace Out

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 12:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

So it's perfectly within the first and second standard deviation of human thought and behaviour. These non-reproductive altruistic tendencies can manifest through alternative sexual orientations, including absence of sexual orientation and lack of interest/attraction to either gender. To this small grouping of people, it could therefore also be within reason that sex might seem pointless, and unhygienic.

Kind of like telling me how good a cheeseburger is; as a peep who eats no dead mammals, it would be, at best, a waste of my time.
Is that a decent analogy, Byte?

The laughing Chrisisall

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:02 AM

I called you neither illogical nor damaged. Again, I'm wondering why I'm eliciting such a strong negative response from you, you're coming across as very defensive. When I say sex is gross, that does not mean I'm saying people who have it are gross. MB might, but he likes to be contrary.

This thread asked for what people think is the point of sex, and the question posed was whether sex should be about pleasure for the partner or pleasure for the self. This does not require any particular experience with sex to comment on, or any particular fondness for sex. My initial answer, BTW, was not "eww gross," but rather that for survival reasons pleasure in sex should probably be mutual.

I will not respect any of your suggestions that I should censor my opinion for your benefit, or get out. Nor should I.

Quote:
You will not convince me that asexuality is a norm... Deviations ARE normal, the deviant is not.

Deviant: "— adj
1. deviating, as from what is considered acceptable behaviour "

How is my lifestyle socially unacceptable? Who does it hurt?

Do you believe homosexuality is deviant?

"In the modern West, major studies indicate homosexuality is prevalent in 2% to 13% of the population."

"In all of adulthood until the time of surveying (given that surveyed people were of different ages), the number of partners was zero (asexual) for 2.9% of adults: 3.4% of men and 2.5% of women."

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

So it's perfectly within the first and second standard deviation of human thought and behaviour. These non-reproductive altruistic tendencies can manifest through alternative sexual orientations, including absence of sexual orientation and lack of interest/attraction to either gender. To this small grouping of people, it could therefore also be within reason that sex might seem pointless, and unhygienic.

Kind of like telling me how good a cheeseburger is; as a peep who eats no dead mammals, it would be, at best, a waste of my time.
Is that a decent analogy, Byte?

The laughing Chrisisall

Exactly. I was going to make an analogy myself involving Hawaiian pizza, but I decided against it.

IREMISST

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:09 AM

Once again, on this subject, I guess I'm not gettin you, and you are definately not gettin me... I've already agreed to disagree sooo like I said...

"Peace Out"

NIKI2

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:18 AM

I don't particularly get it either Iremist. Byte is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else is, and people often post in threads about something and express disdain or negativity about the topic.

Having the parts and not using them doesn't mean one is damaged; there are many reasons not to have sex in one's life, none of which necessarily have to do with being "damaged". It's a choice, and I guarantee life can be quite fulfilling without needing sex, especially for women!

I realize the sexual drive in men is pretty ingrained and makes it difficult for them to consider life without sex acceptable, but I think calling someone "damaged" OR "illogical"for choosing not to have sex is pretty pathetic.

There are many ways to be spiritual, with or without someone else, and many ways to connect and to love as well. I think your judgmentalism is unfounded and rather rude; what YOU believe isn't necessarily what the whole world believes, and I see no reason Byte should feel disadvantaged or missing out.

"Agreeing to disagree" is not a matter for judgment or censure. I think your judgment is unfair and inappropriate. Just my opinion.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:20 AM

Irie, would you call Chris a deviant? After all, he HAS incisors with which to cut and tear meat, and he chooses not to use them.

There are people who enjoy all kinds of sex, and some people who enjoy none at all. Consenting adults, and all that. Freedom to sleep with whomever you want (as long as they're a consenting adult) also implied freedom not to sleep with anyone if you so desire. Or don't desire, as the case may be.

I find Byte to be different. A cipher, a puzzlement, refreshing at times, confounding at others. But I don't find her to be deviant.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:39 AM

She asked to stop, I'm stopping. She is just as entitled to her opinion as I am, and doesn't need to be beaten up over it.

It's not like it's not anything I don't hear over and over again. I live in Utah, remember? The idea that I won't fall in love, get married or have a family is met with the exact same horror as if I said I sacrificed babies and used the blood for a skin softener. Someone told me once that they thought the devil had possessed me.

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:02 AM

No beating up intended, of anyone. I think Niki and I cross-posted.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Irie, would you call Chris a deviant? After all, he HAS incisors with which to cut and tear meat, and he chooses not to use them.

I USE them- to tear pizza to bits, to open plastic wrapping, to tease my Wife that I'm a vampire...

Mike, you have legs I assume- should I call you a deviant because you don't use them to climb trees or to kick above your head like I do?

I wanted this to be professional, efficient, adult, cooperative. Not a lot to ask. Alas, your Mr. Takagi did not see it that way... so he won't be joining us for the rest of his life.

The laughing Chrisisall

IREMISST

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
She asked to stop, I'm stopping. She is just as entitled to her opinion as I am, and doesn't need to be beaten up over it.

It's not like it's not anything I don't hear over and over again. I live in Utah, remember? The idea that I won't fall in love, get married or have a family is met with the exact same horror as if I said I sacrificed babies and used the blood for a skin softener. Someone told me once that they thought the devil had possessed me.

Thank you, Bytemite. For what it's worth, most of the time I like you just fine. I also admit that I tend to be over-passionate about being passionate.

The funny thing is as much crap as you probaly take for not being in a relationship, I probably take for being in one. I've had people tell me I don't deserve my husband or to have a happy marraige. Mainly from family... My mother called today to tell me about a song called "The Snake" which is basically about being careful about trusting in a relationship. Granted, she's a bitter divorcee...

Anyway, we all got sore spots, who knew mine was sex?

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
The idea that I won't fall in love, get married or have a family is met with the exact same horror as if I said I sacrificed babies and used the blood for a skin softener.

Time to move?
Seriously, that's nuts. Cannot we live our lives without this nonsense?
I eat one real meal a day. Am I a freak? Should I stuff myself 3 or 4 times a day like other rotund peeps just to make THEM happy?? I catch s**t for that a LOT, BTW. Being 50 and a lean & semi-muscular 165 lbs kinda makes me feel like I don't belong...

Do what you will, Byte. Be content with YOU.

The laughing Chrisisall

IREMISST

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Time to move?
Seriously, that's nuts. Cannot we live our lives without this nonsense?
I eat one real meal a day. Am I a freak? Should I stuff myself 3 or 4 times a day like other rotund peeps just to make THEM happy?? I catch s**t for that a LOT, BTW. Being 50 and a lean & semi-muscular 165 lbs kinda makes me feel like I don't belong...

Do what you will, Byte. Be content with YOU.

Not gonna matter where she is, every state is chock-a-block fulla people who have kids and all the rest of it...

And yes Chris, you are a freak. I do more work than any three people and have been only eating one real meal a day since high school and I have never been lean and I guaranteee I catch way more shit about that than you ever will about being thin as my mother was an aerobic's instructer and my dad a jogger. And yes I know all about what real calories are and where they hide and target heart rates and alllll that jazzz, so continuing on my trend of pissing people off tonight...

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Irie, would you call Chris a deviant? After all, he HAS incisors with which to cut and tear meat, and he chooses not to use them.

I USE them- to tear pizza to bits, to open plastic wrapping, to tease my Wife that I'm a vampire...

Mike, you have legs I assume- should I call you a deviant because you don't use them to climb trees or to kick above your head like I do?

Why on Earth would you ever assume that I don't climb trees or kick above my head? Can YOU kick the ceiling?

Quote:

I wanted this to be professional, efficient, adult, cooperative. Not a lot to ask. Alas, your Mr. Takagi did not see it that way... so he won't be joining us for the rest of his life.

But Hammy here will be joining me for dinner. But sadly, he'll be gone before dessert...

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:28 AM

Hmmp, just for your survey there, Chris - one of my primary rules is: if she ain't finished, YOU ain't finished, so there's that.

Of course, remember yer askin a Polyamorous Anarchist with a Vajrayaana based belief system, so bear that in mind...

So to me there's not much of an emotional context for sex - outside of intentional procreation attempts, it all fun and games to me, and IMHO acts of real love take place in the kitchen, not the bedroom, since the sharing of food is an act even more basic and primal than sex, and my primary method of expressing affection due to a personal demeanor that comes across to most folk in person as cold, remote and potentially violent.

People are who they are, for some the act of sex doesn't carry the level of meaning that others attribute to it, but if I cook you a full course meal with dessert, just because it makes you happy ?

Then you got somewhere, and it's got nothin to do with sex even then, but more common ground, affection, shared values, and an acceptance of who I am, who they are, the latter being more deeply important than anything cause most of my relationships have ever wound up blowing to flinders with the "You do not OWN me!" speech - mutual respect can pave the way, but the road never goes anywhere unless that fact is accepted, which it mostly hasn't been.

So.. sex.. *snaps fingers* ..just fun and games, really.

-Frem

PS. Also, as a rule, people are, in general, effing crazy - once you learn to accept this, you get along with em so much better.

REENACT12321

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iremisst:
If you don't like it then why post here at all? It's like going to an Anti-gay rally when you are gay...

Oh... that's masochistic? I just thought it was what Republican senators do.

"...we need a hood ornament..."

IREMISST

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:53 AM

Facepalm! wahnnnt wahnnnt wahnnnt! TA DA!

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iremisst:

I do more work than any three people and have been only eating one real meal a day since high school and I have never been lean and I guaranteee I catch way more shit about that than you ever will about being thin as my mother was an aerobic's instructer and my dad a jogger. And yes I know all about what real calories are and where they hide

Bulls**t. You are either insane or a sockpuppet.

One more idiot to cross off my list. Thanks.

The phony-intolerant Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Hmmp, just for your survey there, Chris - one of my primary rules is: if she ain't finished, YOU ain't finished, so there's that.

I believe that was the general intention I was attempting to convey.

The laughing Chrisisall

IREMISST

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Bulls**t. You are either insane or a sockpuppet.

One more idiot to cross off my list. Thanks.

The phony-intolerant Chrisisall

Ok, I could really go off about the dumb ass stuff you babble on about, but I think I'll just mutually cross you off, too, and hit the hay 'Cause you are soooo not worth it.

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iremisst:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Bulls**t. You are either insane or a sockpuppet.

One more idiot to cross off my list. Thanks.

The phony-intolerant Chrisisall

Ok, I could really go off about the dumb ass stuff you babble on about, but I think I'll just mutually cross you off, too, and hit the hay 'Cause you are soooo not worth it.

Ummmm... Misty? I take it you didn't notice the "phony-intolerant" tag after Chris's little jab? I'm 100% sure he was joking, because he's not that intolerant even with Rappy!

I think maybe he was channeling one of his alters, TheRightStuff. ;)

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Iremisst:

Ok, I could really go off about the dumb ass stuff you babble on about

I NEVER babble about such stuff- I am a serious and upstanding citizen. You will never catch me behaving in a less than stately manner here.

The why-I-oughta Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by beatupplenty:

Follow that and your wife will spoil you rotten.
Trust me on this one.

Thanks Beat. You're correct.
I *am* Mr. Multiples!

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I think maybe he was channeling one of his alters, TheRightStuff. ;)

"One of??" Am I the only one here who only has ONE account as of this moment?
You have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I think maybe he was channeling one of his alters, TheRightStuff. ;)

"One of??" Am I the only one here who only has ONE account as of this moment?

Did you DELETE all your other accounts? How does one even go about doing so? In other words, I don't believe you only have ONE account; you might only be USING one - for now - but I'm betting you still have the other(s). "Mr. Multiple", indeed. I don't think that's how you intended that.

Quote:

You have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

WHEE, WHEE, WEE, ALL THE WAY HOME! I named this one "McRib".

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
"One of??" Am I the only one here who only has ONE account as of this moment?
You have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

I'm Batman.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Did you DELETE all your other accounts? How does one even go about doing so?

Actually, I've only ever made three: this one, another called TheGhostOfChrisisall (I was traveling and for some reason couldn't access my real account), and that Stuff fellow.
I asked Haken to vapourize my Ghost account so it wouldn't show up and he did, but then he had to reset the site, and the ghost came back...

The laughing Chrisisall

KANEMAN

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Hmmp, just for your survey there, Chris - one of my primary rules is: if she ain't finished, YOU ain't finished, so there's that.

I believe that was the general intention I was attempting to convey.

The laughing Chrisisall

So fredfirma, what do you do if you are finished and mrs. fred ain't? Fuck her with your peg-leg?

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 4:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
"One of??" Am I the only one here who only has ONE account as of this moment?
You have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

I'm Batman.

I'm Gumby, dammit!

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:30 PM

And wouldn't you like to know, poor little shmuck ?

Not that I'd tell ya, since if you ever have taken the Samaya you've surely violated it in my sight, and I'd not share outside the circle regardless.

Still, it amuses me to torment you with the knowledge that everyone BUT you has a pretty good idea - maybe if you actually got something other than your hand you'd understand.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:41 PM

Well, everyone except me. I can safely say everyone and Kaneman has more experience than I do, hand or otherwise.

I understand the food thing more, Frem. Only I don't tend to share my food, either. But if I'm at a restaurant with a friend, and they have fries, they kinda let me mooch them off them, which is awesome. I'm pretty open with my money when people ask, so it's a fair trade.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 8:51 PM

Well, despite taking it in very, oh so VERY, different directions, I think we're probably alike in not really viewing the act of sex in the same emotional context as other folk.

You are who ya are, not that it'll ever stop me from kinda-sorta flirting with ya, commonality of thought and belief and all that...

But it's not like it'd BOTHER me, you not having those kinds of interests, I think you take my points as affection and/or "love" being something completely unrelated anyhows, and in ways that just ain't easy to explain to the normals.

Or to the weirdies, if you wanna consider us the normals.

All a matter of perspective, innit ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:09 PM

Quote:
Well, despite taking it in very, oh so VERY, different directions, I think we're probably alike in not really viewing the act of sex in the same emotional context as other folk.

Hooo yeah... If that conversation with Iremist up above isn't a perfect example, I don't know what is. Actually, I really would like to know why I get that response from people. She's not the first person on the internet I've encountered who's all "love and passion and desire, yippee!" and me all "..." and butted heads with them over it.

I've mentioned the girl at the other board I used to go to, she was a paladin-type, but even more fundamental than that was this one little thing we never saw eye to eye on. Her opinion on my "frigidness" and aromantic nature touched off animosity long before she started acting out her pally tendencies.

For the record, though, Frem, you might not wanna flirt with me, based on certain things you've told me about certain age-related situations.

Bah, flirting, that's another thing that's hard for me to be comfortable with. I'd prefer to cut the crap and just be seen as one of the lads, it works better that way.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:22 PM

Ah yes, Paladin-baiting... ummm, ohh, ok, let's NOT go there, wrong topic, hahahahaha.
Man, I could tell ya stories!

Ok, well, since that was offtopic, I'll throw in this one, which kinda is...

You know them gravity boot things, that whole (idiotic and discredited) hang upside down for your health thing, right ?

Well, given the topic, let's just say that no matter what it's actually rated for, that bar will NOT support the weight of two people even if they do weigh less than 250lbs total, and I found that out the hard way at a very inopportune moment...

Coitus Interruptus meets Coitus Concussionus, one could say.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:36 PM

Wait... but how.....

See, I don't get how that could be fun, or even interesting.

Just frustrating and difficult.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:54 PM

Wulf, there's only one possible response to that.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeadTiltinglyKinky

CHRISISALL

Friday, August 6, 2010 9:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by beatupplenty:
I got a question for chrisisall. What if your wife were to find this thread? Won't she be mad?

I'll put her on:

I already read it and found the whole thing quite amusing. I've cautioned the man, though, that he's in danger of revealing his secret identity (Greek god, starts with a "D") and that he should pull the cloak back around him before more nymphs start breaking down the door.

The laughing Chrisisall

BYTEMITE

Saturday, August 7, 2010 3:32 PM

...So, you were drunk when you posted that. Makes sense.

MINCINGBEAST

Saturday, August 7, 2010 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by beatupplenty:
I got a question for chrisisall. What if your wife were to find this thread? Won't she be mad?
I'll put her on:

I already read it and found the whole thing quite amusing. I've cautioned the man, though, that he's in danger of revealing his secret identity (Greek god, starts with a "D") and that he should pull the cloak back around him before more nymphs start breaking down the door.

Demeter, right?

OPPYH

Saturday, August 7, 2010 6:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Is it the point of sex to make your partner orgasm, or yourself?
In other words, does your pleasure come mostly from your own, or your lovers'?

Personally. it's not all about me.

Thoughts?

It's both. Also it seems the one to initiate sex usually finds it more pleasurable. My girlfriend will go days without physical interaction(I give her space) and then out of the blue go animalistic on me. It's fantastic, but she certainly is the one initiating most times, and usually seems to get the most out of it.

I gave up asking for it when 80% of the time was
met with "I just don't feel like doing it".

The only people that understand women are women....and they don't like each other!

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CHRISISALL

Saturday, August 7, 2010 7:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:

Demeter, right?

I think she was talkin' Dionysus... I'll have to check.

The laughing Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Saturday, August 7, 2010 8:09 PM

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Quote:
Is it the point of sex to make your partner orgasm, or yourself?
In other words, does your pleasure come mostly from your own, or your lovers'?

Ha!. Chris buddy you crack me up! Your intrigue in things is sublimely honest and interesting.

You know in the time I've been around I've noticed two things regarding sex...

When I was growing up it was all about yourself. Make yourself happy then split! But that's old hat now. Totally not the done thing...

Now it's about making sure your partner orgasms and you aint going nowhere until she has done! When you do - you spend the rest of the day boasting about it, and if you meet up with your buddies you go around talking about how great you are because you can make your partner orgasm.

Whatever way it goes -it's always about the man feeling good about it. (perhaps it's because of our fragile ego's who knows?) Either way we still want more!

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