Kane's bigotry

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NIKI2

Friday, November 12, 2010 10:38 PM

No, not Kanye, our Kane. --I started to write "couldn't resist", but that's not true, I didn't even TRY to resist this:

Kane is always professing he's not racist, usually by saying he was joking or being sarcastic or something. But that is PRECISELY like telling a racist joke and everyone laughing at it...it's not funny, and the person telling the joke IS a racist. So here are a few recent examples, next time our Kane claims he's not racist or homophobic (what's the word for "homosexual HATER"? IS there one for those who aren't necessarily afraid of homosexuals, just plain outright hate them?):

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10/23/10: I would never say gays should not serve in the military(the more that die..the better). Serving "out of the closet" is a different story. I'll tell you a secret... MOST heterosexuals are creeped out by gays(always will be)....Bad for morale. I would think that's a military reason. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=45847&m=810474#810474

10/31/2010: You are more likely to be liberal if....
You believe blacks are just as smart as whites
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=45969&m=812301#812301

11/11/2010: Now, I say what I said before..fuck that stupid nigger. Rap away, Whore out expensive sneakers to the other poor niggers that should spend money more wise-GeneralLEE, live in a suburb and keep on acting street.....I laugh at the plight of the blackman, 'cause it is the other nigger that is his parasite....
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=46174

11/12/2010: That monkey can't say "I'm sorry"...he did the next best thing...which all blacks do...in ebonics it means the same thing....
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=46174 to remember next time DT complains about epithets or says "teabagger" is equivalent to "cocksucker". We ain't got nothin' on Kane, man. (No offense, DT, I understand now what you were saying, I'm just using you as an example here.)

Now I get to ignore all the responses, because I already know what they will be...and yeah, this is an out-and-out snark because what he writes sickens me.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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WHOZIT

Friday, November 12, 2010 10:48 PM

Talk about the pot calling the......oh wait, if I say black am "I" a bigot?

You've said some icky things about Republicans, Sarah Palin and me, stop trying to shame people to make them agree with you.

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:47 AM

Niki

I'm sorry...

Many points. First

0) I said except Kane in just about every post I made on the topic. Also I excepted PN.

That was my point about your attack on me, so it was point zero. But more to the point, do you pay no attention to your fellow members?

1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.

2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.

3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.

4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.

5) This is a personal attack thread, which are considered out of place on RWED, and belong perhaps in troll country.

But revisiting the first points

Kane has been 32 for four years, but beside that, black, female, 32, gay was on that profile IIRC for all of those four years.

Lesbian republican lunatics might be rare, and the theory is that River is Kane for the sake of mouthing off, but River is 48 and white.

Seriously though, people who are actually certifiable get some break.

Plea to River, if you are Kane, give it a rest. I much prefer the old River. The new bolder Kane is hard to stomach.

I mean RiverLove=River6213, but is a user I actually like. A lot of people do not concur.

The personality known as Kane at times is similar and more tolerable than lately, but lately it's been all troll and no serious discussion. I think we've been here for many years as a group, It's time to gorram accept each other.

RiverDancer is an unrelated user. I can't think of any other river's offhand.

But also, no personal attack threads please.

Kane, please give it a rest. I would like to know who I'm talking about. Mike seems convinced you are River, and since you were humping his leg all summer, maybe he knows.

KWICKO

Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:47 AM

KKKaney is handy for one thing: Every time the tea party people around here try to tell us there are no racists among them, all one has to do is haul ol' KKKaney out and put him on display. Case closed.

And as long as he represents the tea parties and isn't repudiated by their followers, KKKaney *IS* the face of the tea party.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

KWICKO

Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:56 AM

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1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.

"Kane" has also claimed to be a white man, a 14-year-old boy, and any number of other people. None of which can be relied upon to be accurate. He also posts a lot about stroking his cock. Maybe he's a Thai ladyboy.

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2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.

Actually, Kane has professed to HATE blacks, and claims they are less intelligent. If "Kane" is black, there are some serious self-esteem issues there.

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3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.

It's also his/her/its default position for anyone who disagrees with "Kane", too. So you can't really take "Kane's" word for that. Or for anything else.

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4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.

You may be on to something.

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5) This is a personal attack thread, which are considered out of place on RWED, and belong perhaps in troll country.

Isn't this place full of personal attack threads? Seriously.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

KANEMAN

Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:51 PM

Let me be clear on this...I am not a racist. I am a realist. I love black people(I am black retards), but I do see the difference in races. I have lived with my kind as a young girl in Tanzania and when my parents moved to bridgeport. Then as an adult I was fortunate enough to move away from the minority community and live among you whites. What a difference. I know through personal and cultural experience that there is no excuse for the way minorities are living. The destruction of their lawns and homes, our value structure, No responsible fathers(men), and zero initiative to make things better. Blame Blame Blame. I blame it on the government for purposely making it easy for blacks to be FAILERS......

A) I am a girl....36yrs. old
B) I find it hilarious that I upset Niki2...Fuck her.
C) 99% of the time I am joking. If you can't see that lighten up.
D) I am not nor have I ever been River6213.
E) I hate gays like Kwicko. Hate em. Nothing worse than a shitty dick or cum in a goat-tee(unless you are Rob Halford...He gets a pass)
F) Insane? not at all.
G) THIS THREAD BELONGS IN TROLL COUNTRY...and you would think mother hen would know better. well, it's true............

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:32 PM

Kane,

1) I see I was right on the 36
2) I was right on the female
3) I was right on the black
4) you didn't comment on gay, but I think you have before. You respond to my posts on girls the way gay girls I've dated do, and they've been most of the girls I've dated. I actually like to keep it that way: When I notice another woman I want to hear "That's what I'm talking about, baby" and not get a slap. Those slapper girls are probably just closet lesbians. Hmm.
5) You're insane. We all are, you just show it more. Or to quote Buffy "Anyone who claims to be completely sane is either lying or not very bright."
6) You so want Mikey.
7) How was Tanzania? The only person I can think of from your country off the top of my head is Freddie Mercury. He was gay. And pretty awesome. And not technically speaking white, though I think he tried to pass, even to the point of wearing make up at times like Michael Jackson. Who was also gay, but from Gary, which may be why he was less cool than Freddie.

ETA: Your G was my 5. *(does that have a double meaning? I don't think so) Anyway, I don't want it to go there yet, because no one would see the responses. Sometimes these attitudes need discussing. I remember an attack thread on PN that resulted in a pile on PN because people didn't see the wrongness of it, which caused me to leave for like 6 mos.

People have to stop seeing enemies and start seeing friends.

KPO

Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:52 PM

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7) How was Tanzania?

He doesn't even know how to pronounce Tanzania.

It's not personal. It's just war.

NIKI2

Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:54 PM

The only way to tell Kane is lying is to read his posts. Anything he types about himself is probably a lie. He says he’s one thing one day, another the next. Means nothing. I don’t care if he’s a sickpuppy or if so, whose he is. It’s immaterial

I notice you didn’t suggest (as far as I remember) the several threads which were aimed at me belonged in troll country, with my name in the title and everything. To say this one does, when far more vicious things are written to/about me daily, is immaterial..

Saying he's joking is a transparent copout, and he knows it. As I said initially, writing stuff like he does then claiming to be joking is PRECISELY like telling a racist joke then, if someone complains it's racist, saying "Aw, c'mon, it was just a joke". He’s a racist, end of story. "Well, it's true".

Telling him to knock it off is pissing into the wind. He doesn’t know how to and he doesn’t care. He just enjoys verbal masturbation.

PN is more easily ignorable, Whozit completely so; Kane is just disgusting.

People who are certifiable do get a break; people who are degenerate reprobates AND certifiable get none from me.

That's my rant on the subject, and now I will return to attempting to respond civilly as much as I can.

Thank you for your responses. I found them interesting. Well, aside from the obvious, which was repetitively boring.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KANEMAN

Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
The only way to tell Kane is lying is to read his posts. Anything he types about himself is probably a lie. He says he’s one thing one day, another the next. Means nothing. I don’t care if he’s a sickpuppy or if so, whose he is. It’s immaterial

I notice you didn’t suggest (as far as I remember) the several threads which were aimed at me belonged in troll country, with my name in the title and everything. To say this one does, when far more vicious things are written to/about me daily, is immaterial..

Saying he's joking is a transparent copout, and he knows it. As I said initially, writing stuff like he does then claiming to be joking is PRECISELY like telling a racist joke then, if someone complains it's racist, saying "Aw, c'mon, it was just a joke". He’s a racist, end of story. "Well, it's true".

Telling him to knock it off is pissing into the wind. He doesn’t know how to and he doesn’t care. He just enjoys verbal masturbation.

PN is more easily ignorable, Whozit completely so; Kane is just disgusting.

People who are certifiable do get a break; people who are degenerate reprobates AND certifiable get none from me.

That's my rant on the subject, and now I will return to attempting to respond civilly as much as I can.

Thank you for your responses. I found them interesting. Well, aside from the obvious, which was repetitively boring.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

Let me ask this you hippie tard. What is wrong with a racist joke? Is not every joke offensive(well, good ones...knock knocks don't count)? So jokes about gays, women, white men, politics, democrats, republicans, farts, horse shit, etc....are fine. But don't tell a black joke, a latino joke,a racist joke. I'll let you in on a secret...it is only racist to liberals not in on the joke. See, we blacks make jokes about ourselves all the time, as do latinos, as do you whites. Why are you offended? What makes a black joke or observation so appauling to you? What guilt do you hold? You are the racist. You think you are helping out others at the same time splitting the bill....Think about it. then go finger your girlfriend you old dusty cunt....

KANEMAN

Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:45 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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7) How was Tanzania?

He doesn't even know how to pronounce Tanzania.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Sure I can....I can also pronounce gofuckyouselfania

KANEMAN

Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:51 AM

DT..."you are insane"

Not at all my friend....

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:36 AM

KPO

Not sure who you're talking about, but it depends on your tribal ethnic background actually, you can spell it in radical different ways. None of them will rhyme with Plasmania.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:13 AM

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DT..."you are insane"

Yes and your point is?

Oh, you were talking about yourself.

Almost too easy.

A7x is okay. they're a decent start on a band, maybe with time. And a little more music. I can't yet think of a single american symph band that really gets it. I actually like evanescence for this, but it's still not on a par with most of amy's scandanavian counterparts. But at least you are speaking my language now.

Sorry, this is clipped, and with lyrics, all the other recordings were some camera phone at a concert, it doesn't do it justice. Hell, it's hard to play any of this stuff without a subwoofer and really get the experience.

LILI

Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.

"Kane" has also claimed to be a white man, a 14-year-old boy, and any number of other people. None of which can be relied upon to be accurate. He also posts a lot about stroking his cock. Maybe he's a Thai ladyboy.

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2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.

Actually, Kane has professed to HATE blacks, and claims they are less intelligent. If "Kane" is black, there are some serious self-esteem issues there.

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3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.

It's also his/her/its default position for anyone who disagrees with "Kane", too. So you can't really take "Kane's" word for that. Or for anything else.

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4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.

You may be on to something.

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5) This is a personal attack thread, which are considered out of place on RWED, and belong perhaps in troll country.

Isn't this place full of personal attack threads? Seriously.

Reposted for emphasis.

I'm quite sure that many of these 'claims' that are made are seen as some kind of excuse or pass to be hateful. "What? I don't hate women, because after all I am one! What? I don't hate black people, because after all I am one! I am allowed to make these statements and call them jokes, because I am a gay black woman and therefore beyond reproach when bashing anyone."
Yeah, I don't buy a word of it.

Facts are stubborn things.

NIKI2

Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:07 PM

Lili: right on. I haven't bought it for a long time either, nor ever will. And I think the reasons are specifically what you elucidated.

As to "jokes", I have no use for demeaning "jokes" which denegrate gays, women, white men, politics, democrats, republicans either...farts and horse shit are okay, they aren't people. But aside from that, what Kane posts aren't even jokes, they're out-and-out racist, hateful statements, anyone can see that.

I say that to others who might care, obviously it's pissing in the wind to say it to Kane.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KPO

Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:30 PM

One of the best ever jokes:

"They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian ... They're not laughing now."

It's not personal. It's just war.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:52 PM

No one is getting the concept of troll.

Kane will post whatever she thinks will make you jump, and you say how high. I'm afraid that Kane has more psychological skill than her detractors.

Hell, if she thought you guys would freak if she defended Obama she would do so.

The truth is anybodies guess, but statistically people tell the truth 90% of the time, even when they're lying. The most consistent statements from Kane were what I drew my information from. Consistently, Kane has not been a racist. I think she noticed everyone jumping on wulf, and wanted to see how far what I'm sure she sees as monkeyopolis would jump if she took it over the edge.

I'm becoming convinced that Kaneman is not River6213, in part because the person who made the call made another similar call based on similar data which I've since proven to be in error, so I question not the user, but the methodology. Kaneman has never claimed to be river.

Speaking of which, where is River?

Anyway, my call would be that Kane is a black woman in her 30s in connecticut and she is laughing her ass off right now not at what we don't know about her, but at how little we know about ourselves.

She is insane though. ;)

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:58 PM

1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

CANTTAKESKY

Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:20 PM

Of all the people in RWED, Kane has never chastised me or given me any grief about anything--that I can recall. Maybe my memory is bad, but if it is true, it is quite strange.

For what it's worth, thanks Kaneman. Maybe you and I should start the Evil League of Evil together.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

KWICKO

Monday, November 15, 2010 12:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

I think you meant goatse.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, November 15, 2010 1:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Of all the people in RWED, Kane has never chastised me or given me any grief about anything--that I can recall. Maybe my memory is bad, but if it is true, it is quite strange.

For what it's worth, thanks Kaneman. Maybe you and I should start the Evil League of Evil together.

----
Arrogant and proud of it.

So you don't mind that he responds to others posts with nothing but personal attacks?

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, November 15, 2010 1:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

I think you meant goatse.

*snort*

DREAMTROVE

Monday, November 15, 2010 1:19 AM

CTTS

Same here.

Life is short. Fight less. Hate less.

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, November 15, 2010 1:26 AM

Magon, Kaneman's been kinder to me than you have. I felt I should thank him/her for that kindness.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, November 15, 2010 2:43 AM

Oh really, because I've constantly called you a gay pig dog from hell. Constantly.

No, that's right, I've just disagreed with you on, hmmm one or two occasions. How shocking that must be for someone who comes on a discussion board.

Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, November 15, 2010 2:53 AM

Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been compared to Nazi enablers.

So why not thank someone who hasn't attacked me for a change? Kaneman's never called me a gay pig dog from hell OR compared me to Nazi enablers.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, November 15, 2010 2:55 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
CTTS

Same here.

Is that good or bad? LOL

----
Arrogant and proud of it.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, November 15, 2010 3:05 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been compared to Nazi enablers.

It's called an analogy.

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So why not thank someone who hasn't attacked me for a change? Kaneman's never called me a gay pig dog from hell OR compared me to Nazi enablers.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

I don't know if I've seen anyone attack you. I've seen people pick holes in your arguments and discuss your strategies, but I don't know if I've seen you attacked. then again, I haven't been here that long.

What I have seen is a couple of posters, like whozit and kaneman constantly attack, often using obscenities, other posters without any prior provocation.

Niki in particular

From kaneman -
'Nikki2 could bring all that weed she smokes.

I'd try to make her shave her armpits and legs. Maybe even get her to comb her hair.

She'd cry.

I'd laugh.

Then, seeing she's an old hippie, I'd say I'm sorry, she'd HAVE to forgive me, and I'd bang her with a strap-on......I'd watch that.'
Charming stuff. I'd say that was quite different from people arguing or snarking at one another. It's pure nasty stuff.

SO if you want to thank kaneman for bringing all that sort of dross on here, just because he doesn't do it personally to you (or to me either for that matter) then,

MAL4PREZ

Monday, November 15, 2010 3:27 AM

Entertaining. It's not arrogance as much as a complete lack of any sense of fairness or empathy. As long as CTS and DT are out of the attack zone, the assholes can say whatever they want to everyone else. Yeah. Nice.

And these folks wonder why other RWED posters have poor opinions of them. No, it's not bias against whatever political or social group you place yourself in. It's the continual bias and hypocrisy you show here, most shamelessly on this thread. Next I suppose you'll start whinging about how the other posters are sooooo mean and we should start policing our own, just like you always expect respectful behavior from your own....

Oh wait. Never mind. You've already checked that particular hypocrisy off your list, and you did it with whole-hearted enthusiasm, I must say.

Methinks that there's either a shared brain or a very well-used sock between the lot of them. Or maybe both.

ETA: But I do understand why CTS finds the disagreements with her more offensive than the hollow BS Kaneman posts. His stuff is a bunch of pathetic teenaged boy hooey, easily dismissed and ignored, while the challenges to CTS's twisted logic touch on the truth of her dysfunctions. Unwelcome reality is unpleasant for those who try so hard to hide from it.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, November 15, 2010 3:46 AM

Some of you (you know who you are) already have such a low opinion of me, leap to assume the worst of me, and continually tell me how horrible (hypocritical, dishonest, selfish, arrogant, insensitive, incapable of empathy, unfair, idiotic, uneducated, twisted, offensive, pathetic, etc.) I am....

...what do I have to lose by speaking a word of appreciation to someone who has never said those things of me? That I'd lose your good graces? (Snicker. Snort.)

If a racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, drunk Monsanto employee happens to hold a door for an old lady, is she not allowed to say, "Thank you"?

Or must she refuse to walk through the door as long as this distasteful man is holding the door, while showing as much disdain as she can muster?

(Actually I'd respect her either way, but I digress.)

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Arrogant and proud of it.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, November 15, 2010 8:05 AM

I really have no tolerance for petty at the moment.

Clearly no one read my other post :(

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, November 15, 2010 12:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I really have no tolerance for petty at the moment.

Clearly no one read my other post :(

You mean this?

"Life is short. Fight less. Hate less."

But that's what RWED is for: fighting and hating away our short little lives.

I tried to fight and hate less. But then HK helped me see that I was simply repressing it, and the fight/hate was coming out in passive aggressive ways. So now I'm not repressing it anymore. They snark, I'm going to snark back.

It's like asking the Israelis and Palestinians to stop their war.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

KANEMAN

Monday, November 15, 2010 12:35 PM

DT "Anyway, my call would be that Kane is a black woman in her 30s in connecticut and she is laughing her ass off right now not at what we don't know about her, but at how little we know about ourselves."

DT, You are a bit quick for these fools. I have always said I'm laughing at these uptight fools. You have it correct above except one thing...But i am impressed...

KANEMAN

Monday, November 15, 2010 12:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it . There seems to be a double standard at play...shame on you. Well, it's true......

DREAMTROVE

Monday, November 15, 2010 2:37 PM

Kane

I thought you would be on the prionistic behavior of this model, ie, that it turns them into you. I'll grant, it's an interesting study in psychology.

Still perhaps you're doing the same thing over and over again, and if you're expecting different results...

ETA: one thing on that line, or in the entire post?

DREAMTROVE

Monday, November 15, 2010 2:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I really have no tolerance for petty at the moment.

Clearly no one read my other post :(

You mean this?

"Life is short. Fight less. Hate less."

But that's what RWED is for: fighting and hating away our short little lives.

I tried to fight and hate less. But then HK helped me see that I was simply repressing it, and the fight/hate was coming out in passive aggressive ways. So now I'm not repressing it anymore. They snark, I'm going to snark back.

It's like asking the Israelis and Palestinians to stop their war.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

Understand that would take reading one of the two posts I made about it.

NIKI2

Monday, November 15, 2010 5:59 PM

I believe the post to which DT was referring starts out

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No one is getting the concept of troll.” Correct me if I’m wrong. But a lot of what he says in that post is accurate, insofar as the verbal masturbation and deliberate triggering by Kane.

Kane will post whatever she thinks will make you jump, and you say how high. I'm afraid that Kane has more psychological skill than her detractors.

Hell, if she thought you guys would freak if she defended Obama she would do so.

......

She is insane though. ;)

I think that part is correct, and we’ve pretty much known it for a long time. The fact Kane hasn’t gone after DT is viable, in that he feels no personal animosity because of that. And he recognizes the bottom line, that Kane enjoys shocking and is insane. I agree with that aspect of your post, DT. As to who or what Kane is, I don’t care...whatever he says he is, I just assume it to be a lie as it changes all the time.

“That it turns them into you” is correct, in its way; but in now way excuses that he’s deliberately ATTEMPTING to trigger others into responding as he does, and that’s stupid and an insane reason for joining a group of any kind. It’s trolling, in a very real sense. I’m guessing that by “prionistic” you are referring to “prions” (“protein particles that lack nucleic acid and are believed to be the cause of various infectious diseases of the nervous system”). If you are, that’s brilliant; his ugliness (lacking any logic or reasonability, i.e., nucleic acid) can cause those it “infects” to get the “disease” of being ugly in return. I love it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Monday, November 15, 2010 6:00 PM

Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler. She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing, and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler. She was making a point. In my opinion you either read it through the veil of your own feelings, or wanted to use it as a comeback. I’m assuming the former.

On the other hand, I view thanking someone who is vicious to other posters for not being vicious to YOU illogical. Your analogy of the old woman doesn’t work...a more accurate analogy would be if group of women walked by and a couple of guys shouted obscenities at them, and one did nothing...to then say “thank you” to the guy who did nothing, but stood by silently and let it happen, doesn’t make a lot of sense. I think Mal called that right in that it’s a lack of fairness and empathy.

By “some of you (you know who you are)”, I’m hoping you don’t mean me. I don’t have a low opinion of you and I’m not aware that I’ve attacked you in any way, only disagreed (perhaps vehemently) at times. I’m hoping “But that's what RWED is for: fighting and hating away our short little lives” was sarcasm; it’s certainly not how I view it. I see it as a place to converse, discuss and debate, with a few people who seem to have nothing to offer but hate. The rest, I see as disagreeing (somewhat vehemently at times), but exchanging ideas and opinions. Given those are usually on politics, it’s not surprising it gets heated.

My only response to Kane is

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How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it

shows either that you truly don’t get it, or more likely, that you CHOOSE to pretend you don’t get it. I’m guessing the latter. There’s a vast difference. What Magons wrote is obviously a snark and has no basis in reality. If you wanted to play YOUR game, you could say it’s just a joke, which it reads like What you write to me and others is deliberately vicious personal attacks: “I’m gonna do to you”, in other words, and calling people cunts and fags—that you don’t recognize the difference (if that’s the case) shows you don’t have any real sense of personal interaction.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Monday, November 15, 2010 6:03 PM

I don’t see it as turning him “into one of them”, because of the dissimilarity between the level of his attacks and the level of “theirs”, but I do see something in this thread that is illuminating.

What I see is those on one side saying things which are valid, as I explained above, but which are put-downs...they are written in a manner which disagrees about Kane, and some include snarks, but they’re missing the epithets and unreality of Kane’s snarks...he’s very deliberately personal, obscene and vicious in his attacks. However, a large number of people disagreeing, sometimes somewhat vehemently, and accusations of unfairness, hypocrisy, etc. I think Mal4 nailed it well

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But I do understand why CTS finds the disagreements with her more offensive than the hollow BS Kaneman posts. His stuff is a bunch of pathetic teenaged boy hooey, easily dismissed and ignored, while the challenges to CTS's twisted logic touch on the truth of her dysfunctions.

While one side tends to make their disagreements intelligently and comparatively mildly, the people like Kane on the other side make their snarks viciously, personally and unintelligibly. I can finally see why those on one side view the others (let’s say “lefties”, tho’ it probably goes both ways) are so nasty, while the “lefties” can’t understand how the ugliness can be ignored.

I’m saying this badly. I’m trying to say that intense disagreements, may they be intelligently stated and less ugly than for example Kane, Raptor, Whozit (and Wulf to a lesser degree, I noticed lately when I went back), they SEEM nastier than they are, whereas the snarks by those mentioned are so outside reality that they’re viewed as unimportant. What’s being missed is, in my opinion, two things:

1. That snarking in a semi-intelligent manner is just as ugly in its way as vicious obscenities, and
2. That the deliberately vicious stuff IS worse, because of its obvious hatred and obscenities.

I think some like DT and CTTS find it easy to dismiss snarks by the above, and can’t see how truly ugly they are viewed by others, while the “lefties” feel that their “points” aren’t as horrific as the deliberately obscene personal attacks.

Dunno if that makes any sense, but until now I was with the “lefties” in how I viewed things; this post showed me what I believe to be the truth; the above. I think THAT’s why the argument is always “most lefties are mean”, “no, righties are far uglier”. Does anyone understand what I’m saying?

For me, anyway, it’s a lesson that what I think are logical, reasonable “snarks” can be viewed just as bad as what I perceive as deliberate, obscene personal attacks, and to try and couch my remarks a bit differently. I maintain that when I’m addressed in what I consider a Neolithic style, calling me stupid, etc., I will respond with the equivalent if I feel like it, but I’m going to attempt to be less dismissive when someone snarks me reasonably or just says something I think deserving of dismissal.

In other words, when the "righties" say we "lefties" are ugly and vicious, I'm going to try to bear in mind that what's said TO them can be perceived as every bit as vicious as what those people say to US.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

DREAMTROVE

Monday, November 15, 2010 10:32 PM

I am also insane, so I understand. Yes, as in prion, clever girl. I made up a word.

It would not be true that I have never been attacked by Kane.

"Never let someone else's opinion of you affect your opinion of them" - Dale Carnegie.

It is more that I bear no animosity towards Kane that results in her posting nothing against me.

CANTTAKESKY

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:30 AM

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Magonsdaughter:
Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"

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Canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been COMPARED to Nazi enablers.

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Magonsdaughter:
It's called an analogy.

a·nal·o·gy /əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled[uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun,plural-gies.
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a COMPARISON may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Analogy: 1 is to 2, what A is to B. 1 is comparable to A, 2 is comparable to B.

1: Enablers who think Nazi's are "all right" because their families are not attacked, just the Jewish families and others.
2: Nazis

A: CTS who thinks Kaneman is "all right" because she is not attacked, just Niki and others
B: Kaneman

CTS is comparable to Enablers, and Kaneman is comparable to Nazis.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler.

She didn't SAY. She COMPARED. That is what analogies do. They COMPARE. I said, she COMPARED.

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She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing,

Sure, ok. That would be a good point. But she didn't JUST say that. She made an analogy comparing me to Nazi enablers; see above.

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and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler.

You can see how the Third Reich happened because something COMPARABLE is happening here.

She didn't call names. She COMPARED--which is exactly what I said she did.

----
Arrogant and proud of it.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:30 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
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Magonsdaughter:
Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"
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Canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been COMPARED to Nazi enablers.
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Magonsdaughter:
It's called an analogy.

a·nal·o·gy /əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled[uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun,plural-gies.
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a COMPARISON may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Analogy: 1 is to 2, what A is to B. 1 is comparable to A, 2 is comparable to B.

1: Enablers who think Nazi's are "all right" because their families are attacked, just the Jewish families and others.
2: Nazis

A: CTS who thinks Kaneman is "all right" because she is not attacked, just Niki and others
B: Kaneman

CTS is comparable to Enablers, and Kaneman is comparable to Nazis.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler.
She didn't SAY. She COMPARED. That is what analogies do. They COMPARE. I said, she COMPARED.
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She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing,
Sure, ok. That would be a good point. But she didn't JUST say that. She made an analogy comparing me to Nazi enablers; see above.
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and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler.
You can see how the Third Reich happened because something COMPARABLE is happening here.

She didn't call names. She COMPARED--which is exactly what I said she did.

----
Arrogant and proud of it.

Strap your boots on....Trust me. Whatever you say from now on....sockkkpuptttt....Oooops, Kwicko is gay.

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Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

KANEMAN

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:30 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
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Magonsdaughter:
Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"
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Canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been COMPARED to Nazi enablers.
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Magonsdaughter:
It's called an analogy.

a·nal·o·gy /əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled[uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun,plural-gies.
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a COMPARISON may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Analogy: 1 is to 2, what A is to B. 1 is comparable to A, 2 is comparable to B.

1: Enablers who think Nazi's are "all right" because their families are attacked, just the Jewish families and others.
2: Nazis

A: CTS who thinks Kaneman is "all right" because she is not attacked, just Niki and others
B: Kaneman

CTS is comparable to Enablers, and Kaneman is comparable to Nazis.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler.
She didn't SAY. She COMPARED. That is what analogies do. They COMPARE. I said, she COMPARED.
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She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing,
Sure, ok. That would be a good point. But she didn't JUST say that. She made an analogy comparing me to Nazi enablers; see above.
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and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler.
You can see how the Third Reich happened because something COMPARABLE is happening here.

She didn't call names. She COMPARED--which is exactly what I said she did.

----
Arrogant and proud of it.

Strap your boots on....Trust me. Whatever you say from now on....sockkkpuptttt....Oooops, Kwicko is gay.

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Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:33 AM

Not to take sides on this one, but to actually try to settle it:

CTS won this one, and Magon lost. Sorry. It's not my political bias, but some simple rules of debate.

First and foremost, in order to apply Godwin's law correctly you have to understand how he intended it to be applied:

Irrational connections that draw extreme parallels, like your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland, is an automatic defeat for your argument.

Godwin's law is often misapplied as "Whoever compares someone to Nazis first loses."

Under that interpretation, Magon obviously lost.

But if you more closely examine Godwin's Law, Magon blew this one much worse. Her argument was really very must along the lines of your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland.

Plus, for added points, it mentions Nazis, and infers now only that CTS is the sort who lets Nazi Germany happen, but also that allowing Kaneman free speech would bring about a totalitarian dictatorship which had no free speech, or that Kaneman as a radical element would cause Nazi Germany.

These are all absurd, and autolose any argument.

If anyone wanted to draw any parallel between Kaneman and Nazi Germany, it would be this one:

Kaneman experiments on subjects believed to be of inferior intelligence to see how their behavior can be controlled through the simple application of primal stimuli.

Seriously, Kaneman is showing me something of value here. You would all see it too if you were watching. More ears, less mouth. Remember, everyone has something to say, but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.

KWICKO

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:39 AM

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...but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.

That's either profound, or utter gibberish.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:22 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it . There seems to be a double standard at play...shame on you. Well, it's true......

The difference is that you are a troll. You come on this and probably numerous other sites with the purpose to denigrate and insult. As far as I have seen, you have contributed nothing more than these kinds of interactions on this forum (although you may have prior to me coming here).

Therefore, I call you a troll and the troll is as described above. If you wish to post differently, I'll respond with respect.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:32 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

CTS won this one, and Magon lost. Sorry. It's not my political bias, but some simple rules of debate.

Does CTS get the medal then? I wasn't aware that these discussions involved winning and losing. I thought it was about communcating ideas, sharing views, looking at different concepts. If I thought we were on a formal debate, I woulda dun it different Particulary if you was the arbitrator.

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First and foremost, in order to apply Godwin's law correctly you have to understand how he intended it to be applied:

Irrational connections that draw extreme parallels, like your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland, is an automatic defeat for your argument.

Godwin's law is often misapplied as "Whoever compares someone to Nazis first loses."

Under that interpretation, Magon obviously lost.

Does that mean no-one can ever discuss the nazis again? Please tell me that also means you never get to say Socialist New World Order either, and I'll back you 100% up.

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But if you more closely examine Godwin's Law, Magon blew this one much worse. Her argument was really very must along the lines of your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland.

Except that it is nothing like pizza vs nazism. Nazi Germany happened for a lot of reasons, but one of the facts of it was that ordinary people stood by and let others be treated terribly, therefore my anology holds up. That is the sort of mentality that was present in Germany at that time. Just because you don't like that comparison, doesn't mean it isn't valid.

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Plus, for added points, it mentions Nazis, and infers now only that CTS is the sort who lets Nazi Germany happen, but also that allowing Kaneman free speech would bring about a totalitarian dictatorship which had no free speech, or that Kaneman as a radical element would cause Nazi Germany.

For the record, I never said Kaneman should not post his dross. I insist you apologise for misrepresenting my view.

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Seriously, Kaneman is showing me something of value here. You would all see it too if you were watching. More ears, less mouth. Remember, everyone has something to say, but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.

Well there is someone for everyone, as my ma used to say.

And lastly

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Not to take sides on this one, but to actually try to settle it:]

What's the name of the debating tactic where you immediately do what you claim you are not going to do?

KANEMAN

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:23 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by kaneman:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it . There seems to be a double standard at play...shame on you. Well, it's true......

The difference is that you are a troll. You come on this and probably numerous other sites with the purpose to denigrate and insult. As far as I have seen, you have contributed nothing more than these kinds of interactions on this forum (although you may have prior to me coming here).

Therefore, I call you a troll and the troll is as described above. If you wish to post differently, I'll respond with respect.

I didn't start this thread...Mother hen did. What I find hilarious is that you found it impossible to NOT post in this shithole of a thread. Shame on you. And, while I'm here, CTS won your arguement....How old are you? My bet....14.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:25 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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...but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.

That's either profound, or utter gibberish.

I'm going with gibberish....Add one "the" and I'll vote profound......

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:48 PM

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I woulda dun it different Particulary if you was the arbitrator.

I might as well be since Niki appointed herself hall monitor.

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Does that mean no-one can ever discuss the nazis again?

No, read it again. This is the common misinterpretation. Nazis were his example, b
ut it's a good one: Think about tea partiers with signs comparing Obama's healthcare plan to the Nazis. That's absurd. They lose.

So sure, there are a lot of plans that are like the Nazis, our dept of Homeland Security is very Nazi, as is our foreign policy. I just mean, objectively, they're the sort of thing that the Nazis did.

But saying that the invasion of Iraq was like the invasions of Poland is just a logical parallel.

Here's the important part
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Irrational connections that draw extreme parallels

Comparing CTS's defense of Kaneman's free speech to white supremacist's defend of Nazi genocide is a exactly that. It's an irrational connection that draws an extreme parallel.

That's why you lost this one. Plus, you mentioned Nazis, so even the casual Godwin's law observer would notice.

Godwin's law is probably the most widely followed piece of Netiquette.

Saying "Kaneman has no sense of Netiquette" might be considered a fair criticism.

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Please tell me that also means you never get to say Socialist New World Order either, and I'll back you 100% up.

No. This is a not a logic or illogical parallel at all, it's that the NWO is comprised of people who are themselves avowed socialists. And always have been. The NWO is socialism.

PN is right about a few things and one of them is that China is the test state for NWO policy. China is NWO utopia. Russia was supposed to be, but they fucked that up somehow.

If you go back and pay any attention to globalists and the origins of neolibs and neocons who are the NWO, use the term NWO to describe what the want to create, they also use the word socialist to describe themselves and their movement.

I do not say "Socialist New World Order" because that's not really communicating, it's PN's propaganda babbling. It's like saying "Jewish Bankster" which is okay if you're talking about criminal bankers who happen to be jewish, but probably not a good idea. "Knight of the British Empire MKULTRA Al Qaeda Jew" is just a string of nonsense made worse by putting it before someone's name.

It's just not how language is constructed. That would be a slut. Like saying "Socialist President Obama."

Saying "President Obama is a Socialist" would not be a slur, it would just be inaccurate.

But the globalists (neocon/neolib) elite call themselves socialists. They do it less now than they did in the 60s and 70s because socialism has become a very unpopular word.

This is because of history. The more people study history, and the more we learn about it through the internet, the more any random person can no more than an expert historian.

This has led us to challenge the conventional wisdom that "German Nationalism" caused WWII and the holocaust. Actually, the Nazis were barely nationalists at all. They only became nationalists to get extra votes, the way republicans became Christians. It's for show. They also thought the use of "Aryan" and the Swastika would get them India as an ally. It almost did, in that it made the question so close that Britain was unable to use India as an ally.

The result was that India ended up nationalist. But not Nazi. Not socialist. And also, it was not a genocidal state. Japan also ended up nationalist, and China almost did. Nationalism could be discussed as a flawed policy in many ways, but it's not what caused WWII.

WWII/Europe was a conflict of the Nazis, who were socialists, not only did they say it themselves, and it was in the name, but they were socialists originally, before they were nationalists. The leadership of the Nazi party was not the members of the nationalist Thule society, it was people from the Socialist Workers Party, which is actually the same party that the NWO derives

CANTTAKESKY

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:04 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Comparing CTS's defense of Kaneman's free speech to white supremacist's defend of Nazi genocide is a exactly that.

To be clear, I never defended Kaneman's free speech, and Magon never compared me to someone who defended Nazi genocide. That was not the gist or spirit of the analogy she made.

As I understood it, she interpreted my "Thank you" to Kaneman as an implied sanction or disregard of Kaneman's insults to others. She compared this perceived attitude to that of non-Jewish German bystanders who condoned (and thus passively enabled) the Nazis because they themselves were not victims.

ETA: I happen to think Kaneman's invectives to Niki and others to be utterly disgusting and vile--and Kane knows it--so I would never defend Kane's speech itself. Kane's right to say those things was really neither here nor there--that wasn't part of the argument between Magon and me.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:07 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

0) I said except Kane in just about every post I made on the topic. Also I excepted PN.

That was my point about your attack on me, so it was point zero. But more to the point, do you pay no attention to your fellow members?

1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.

2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.

3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.

I f you believe Kane on any points, I may have over-estimated your intelligence.

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4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.

Well, at least you got that one.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NIKI2

Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:01 PM

I agree with you on the “compare” thing, to a degree. There’s a perfect example of what is written not being what is read. But I think you take it way too far.

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but also that allowing Kaneman free speech would bring about a totalitarian dictatorship which had no free speech, or that Kaneman as a radical element would cause Nazi Germany.

I disagree. She didn’t say any such thing, her comparison was much simpler and she didn’t add anything that indicated it would have the same results. And she is in no way denying his free speech or saying that it will lead to ANYTHING, just making the comparison in how wrong it is.

I also disagree that what Kane is “showing” is of value. Trolling is not, in my opinion, of any value; it doesn’t further anything but discord and it contributes nothing of any value to the discussion. To do it—-consistently and without offering anything of substance, IS trolling by definition and only probes the patience of those to whom it is directed. That’s not of any value.

Mike, I’d say it was “meaningful”, not profound. If we all kept in mind all the time that those like Kane are here for no other reason than to sow discord and be offensive, and were able to ignore them completely, what they say not being what they say would be totally unimportant. It’s that it DOES trigger us to respond which is wrong, no matter what they say.

I agree with Magons

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The difference is that you are a troll. You come on this and probably numerous other sites with the purpose to denigrate and insult. As far as I have seen, you have contributed nothing more than these kinds of interactions on this forum (although you may have prior to me coming here).

The same is true for me, tho' on occasion I have see him make a comment or two that's pertinent, whether I agree with it or not. Also RIGHT on point that

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Does CTS get the medal then? I wasn't aware that these discussions involved winning and losing. I thought it was about communicating [sic] ideas, sharing views, looking at different concepts

I also agree that what you did, DT, wasn’t to “settle” anything; you voiced your opinion on what was right and what was wrong by your interpretation of same, and “awarded” Kane. That doesn’t “settle” anything, it just expresses your opinion.

Kane posting

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What I find hilarious is that you found it impossible to NOT post in this shithole of a thread

is amusing, given he hasn’t found it one bit more possible not to continue posting himself. Example of the immaturity I mentioned to Wulf:

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How old are you? My bet....14

Calling people immature is immature...at best.

DT, you’re entitled to your opinions, but they ARE just opinions, not fact. I realize you don’t see it that way, but as I see it, that’s true

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China is the test state for NWO policy. China is NWO utopia

And on and on. Even your dissection of Nazis is your opinion; others, with just as much knowledge as you, may well have come to other conclusions. That and the fact that it is not for you to “award” who’s right and who’s wrong makes me dismiss your arguments on the subject.

And CTTS has it right on target. Not only the specific words, and whether they reflect Godwin or not, but the INTENT and UNDERSTANDING of the communication matter. Magons wasn’t saying all the things you claimed she was, she was saying merely that, just as the old saw about the Jews, not speaking up about something that is wrong is bad. Period. You took it too far, in my view.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:25 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I didn't start this thread...Mother hen did. What I find hilarious is that you found it impossible to NOT post in this shithole of a thread. Shame on you.

Sshheeesh, you got a point

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:31 AM

Story

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3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.

I f you believe Kane on any points, I may have over-estimated your intelligence.

Undisputed, no one has made a contrary claim, stated by kane it was, so, it is a statement.

There's no reason to assume the opposite, yet many people seem to do so. As I said, humans in general tell the truth 95% of the time, even when they are lying. It's logical to assume that anything said by humans is based on fact.

Of course, if people lied more often than this, the result would be suspiciously incoherent.

Make what you will of that.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:15 AM

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DT, you’re entitled to your opinions, but they ARE just opinions, not fact. I realize you don’t see it that way, but as I see it, that’s true

This is a talking point, not an opinion or a fact.

This was an opinion:

Quote:

Quote:
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China is the test state for NWO policy. China is NWO utopia

It is PN's opinion, I was reposting it. He made a good case for it, I see no reason to doubt it.

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And on and on. Even your dissection of Nazis is your opinion; others, with just as much knowledge as you, may well have come to other conclusions. That and the fact that it is not for you to “award” who’s right and who’s wrong makes me dismiss your arguments on the subject.

Anyone can declare a godwin. Are you really that much of a n00b? That was the most obvious godwin I've ever seen (opinion) but the poster of an obvious godwin has autolost an argument (fact)*

* This is a fact of netiquette, so it's protocol, but it is still a fact that it is protocol. You may think that protocol itself is an opinion, but that's fairly radical an abstract. In the real world, laws treaties and conventions are binding, and so are protocols.

No one signs up for them, but here's another one:

Doing what Kane does makes you a troll. Ergo, Kane is a troll.

That's subjective opinion, but it's based on very familiar netiquette. Trolls post only to get attention, they post early and often, and they post after other users in an argumentative and contrary fashion.

Those would all be definitions that fit Kane well.

PN is not a troll. He is more of a spammer. He doesn't often post things contrary to what others have posted, he usually doesn't post at all. He's more of a hit and run.

Filling the information channel with unsolicited posts that dilute the information density of previous conversations is known as spamming.

The email use of the term came much later, but this is basic netiquette as well.

As for my conclusions on the Nazis, they are based on a large amount of information. I have to say that as the descendant of holocaust victims, I'm not alone, but as a historian, I have been able to research this a lot. I know Spielberg is researching it a lot right now. But a lot of people "know" but that's just because someone told them. They didn't really research. I would be hard pressed to credit an opinion based on the idea that the NSDAP is an outgrowth of the Thule Society and that it is the result of the influence of Jiddu Krishnamurti. This seems fairly absurd to me. Sure Krishnamurti was very influential, and may be responsible for Aryan nationalism, the swastika and certainly for theosophy, but nothing about this man or his thoughts have anything to do with what became the monsters we call Nazis. The Nazis do not strongly resemble the Indian dravidian mystic, but instead strongly resemble the old world order and the new world order. Symbols and pageantry were adopted to get votes, because Krishnamurti was very influential in Germany, and in India, and which the Germans wanted as an ally.

That said, take a moment to deal with this logo

Yes, I'm sure these people had a lot to do with the creation of Germany and Israel. My great grandfather was heavily involved in both as well, through another organization, this one:

But so what?

The hijacking of Germany was done by a number of institutions with specific goals.

Hitler idealized this

He wanted to create a party called Social Revolutionary Party, but he took from the SWP and DAP to form the NSDAP. DAP had strong connections to the Thule society, but it's important to remember that Hitler was there to spy on them, under orders to do so, and that no Thule society members ended up as NSDAP officials to the best of my knowledge. At any rate, this hardly seems like the dangerous el

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:42 AM

Good lord, how to miss the point muchly. I may have been guilty of breaking godwin's law, but your detailed explanation of nazism is just tedious.

I have two things to say.

Firstly, I don't give a fat rats arse about godwin's law. I'm not here to 'win' a competition. Even arguing badly, at least I still try to think about a topic and give my point of view as well as I can. A lot better than a series of posters here who do nothing more than spit venom. What I'm not interested in is trading shots about debating techniques. Carry on if you wish, but I'm staying out of that.

Secondly, I feel strongly when people are okay with others being abused, just because it's not them that's being abused. I may have missed the point of your and CTS response, but that's how I saw it. I see it everywhere, work, school, on public transport - where people kind of shrug their shoulders and get on with their own business. We have a saying here - the "I'm alright, jack' mentality, it means that as long as you are okay you don't give a bugger about anyone else. Perhaps a more profound way of saying, rather than speak of nazis given the supposed internet taboo regarding using them as a reference is to use the quote

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

So I personally don't like it. I'm not trying to win you over or win a debate. I'm telling you what I think. You can disagree to your hearts content, but that is how I feel.

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:47 PM

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China is the test state for NWO policy. China is NWO utopia

A case could be made that China is rapidly becoming a test state for libertarian/tea-party policy, too, and that they're becoming the tea-party utopia. No regulations, no copyright laws, get in, make money, get out, and when the high-rise building goes up in flames, who really cares?

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:38 PM

Mike

Been to China lately?

Magon

Godwin's law isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about not shooting yourself in the foot.

The post of nazis was about nazis, Niki was the intended audience I think, she said something about origins of NSDAP not being socialist. A discussion about Nazis is a discussion about actual Nazis, godwin's law doesn't apply to actual nazis. It applies to calling Cant Take the Sky a Nazi for defending Kaneman's right to free speech.

CANTTAKESKY

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
It applies to calling Cant Take the Sky a Nazi for defending Kaneman's right to free speech.

HUH??? Nobody defended Kaneman's right to free speech, and nobody called me a Nazi. For the record. Just sayin'.

As far Godwin's Law (snicker) goes, all it says is the longer a discussion runs in a forum, the more likely Nazis are going to come into it. It is a statement of probability, that's all. Godwin's Law is not a logical fallacy. It doesn't validate or invalidate the actual Nazi argument.

So really, Godwin's Law, free speech, Nazi name-calling--none of that actually applies the short interchange between Magon and me. I hope by now that Magon understands what I was saying and NOT saying, and feels understood by me. If not, we've said our peace already.

Let's give it a rest, huh?

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KANEMAN

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:18 PM

"HUH??? Nobody defended Kaneman's right to free speech"

Well that says a lot...right?

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:48 PM

Actually, I think I have on many, many occassions.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:10 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike

Been to China lately?

Sorry, DT, but that's an auto-lose for you. ;)

You in no way even attempted to make any case or disprove my allegations.

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:12 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Actually, I think I have on many, many occassions.

As have I. I've also defended PN's rights, and Wulfie's.

I don't have to agree with what they say, but I sure as hell don't need anyone else telling them they can't say it. I'm perfectly capable of ridiculing them on my own.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:17 PM

Tell that to Niki then.

In a "non-offensive" way, of course.

Don't want any precious little snowflakes feewings getting hurted...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Tell that to Niki then.

In a "non-offensive" way, of course.

Don't want any precious little snowflakes feewings getting hurted...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

1) Seems like you're the one most likely to get their tiny wittew feewings hurted. You run out of a thread faster than Rappy these days, once someone pierces the veil of bullshit you tend to vomit forth and debunks your idiocy with actual facts.

2) Where did Niki say that you couldn't post whatever you want? She may have said that she'd ignore the videos and the useless garbage, or that she'd track the slurs and epithets, but that's a long way from infringing on your free speech rights.

Or do you think that you "free speech" means you can never be held accountable for your words, never have them held up before you? You shouldn't have to take ownership of them? Is that it?

If you have the right to go to a Klan rally in support of "white power", do *I* have the right to take your picture there and publish it on the internet? If I don't, aren't you prohibiting MY free speech rights? (Not to mention the freedom of the press...)

But seriously, Wulf - I'd really like to discuss this. Can you show me where Niki infringed on your rights? I don't really think I need to tell her not to, because I think it's pretty universally understood around here - except for a few on the ultra-right who like to prattle on about having people "banned" with whom they disagree, that is.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:04 PM

"But seriously, Wulf - I'd really like to discuss this. Can you show me where Niki infringed on your rights? I don't really think I need to tell her not to, because I think it's pretty universally understood around here - except for a few on the ultra-right who like to prattle on about having people "banned" with whom they disagree, that is."

NEVER SAID SHE DID.

I have issue with the whole idea that we must somehow censor our speech, to prevent the hurted fewings of others.

Yeah, if you want to be taken seriously on an idea... you should present it rationally, calmly and with a minimum of snark...

But if you want to just lash out... thats cool too.

Just, if you choose to do that know you won't win many followers.

However, monitoring, tracking, etc in order to somehow "shame" people who speak (lashing out or not) is kind of Orwellian, don't you think?

Again, you post an idea or belief here, no matter how nicely you do it, there are going to be people who ridicule it...

So?

Man up. Most of us are too old to go running to our parents because "someone on the interwebs insulted me..."

But it doesn't stop some people from trying.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

KANEMAN

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Actually, I think I have on many, many occassions.

As have I. I've also defended PN's rights, and Wulfie's.

I don't have to agree with what they say, but I sure as hell don't need anyone else telling them they can't say it. I'm perfectly capable of ridiculing them on my own.

Man, you gays are hilarious. You ridicule who? You get mentally stripped, raped intellectually , laughed at, and ridiculed here in cyberspace by any creature with fingers and a keyboard......You are a joke, punk.

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"But seriously, Wulf - I'd really like to discuss this. Can you show me where Niki infringed on your rights? I don't really think I need to tell her not to, because I think it's pretty universally understood around here - except for a few on the ultra-right who like to prattle on about having people "banned" with whom they disagree, that is."

NEVER SAID SHE DID.

I have issue with the whole idea that we must somehow censor our speech, to prevent the hurted fewings of others.

And yet you got your itty bitty wittew feewings hurt when I ridiculed your "god", belittled your religious beliefs, and asked if it was your cowardice or your craziness that kept you from serving your country. (By the way, you never did answer that question - which one was it?)

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Yeah, if you want to be taken seriously on an idea... you should present it rationally, calmly and with a minimum of snark...

But if you want to just lash out... thats cool too.

So you admit that you've never wanted to be taken seriously, eh? I'd add that if you really want to be taken seriously and seen as intelligent, you might want to mix in a spell-checker now and again, too. ;)

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Just, if you choose to do that know you won't win many followers.

Okay, so we've firmly established that in addition to not wanting to be taken seriously, you also have no interest in gaining any followers. Check.

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However, monitoring, tracking, etc in order to somehow "shame" people who speak (lashing out or not) is kind of Orwellian, don't you think?

You tell me. You're the one who suggested rounding up and deporting all the "liberals"... Seems you're pretty gung-ho on monitoring and tracking "others"; it's only Orwellian when it's done TO YOU.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Godwin's law isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about not shooting yourself in the foot.

Maybe you need to read my posts more carefully. I never said my rights were infringed, I said I didn't give a fat's rat about godwin's law, just because you have evoked it. If you don't like the way I argue, I'm not losing any sleep.

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It applies to calling Cant Take the Sky a Nazi for defending Kaneman's right to free speech.

Dear me, that's revisisionist history in the making for you. I didn't call CTS a Nazi and the issue was never free speech from kaneman or otherwise. If I don't like the dross that gets posted on this forum, I'll go elsewhere.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
China is the test state for NWO policy. China is NWO utopia

A case could be made that China is rapidly becoming a test state for libertarian/tea-party policy, too, and that they're becoming the tea-party utopia. No regulations, no copyright laws, get in, make money, get out, and when the high-rise building goes up in flames, who really cares?

No one believes that China is a utopia. The NWO that DT goes on about is a fantasy of his/her own making. It was a hardline communist state for about 40 years, and now has a rather unpleasant, but economically successful, blend of capitalism and a highly controlling government.

That being said, anyone that I know who has been there has said it's a remarkable and wonderful place, just be careful doing business with Chinese authorities.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
It applies to calling Cant Take the Sky a Nazi for defending Kaneman's right to free speech.
HUH??? Nobody defended Kaneman's right to free speech, and nobody called me a Nazi. For the record. Just sayin'.

As far Godwin's Law (snicker) goes, all it says is the longer a discussion runs in a forum, the more likely Nazis are going to come into it. It is a statement of probability, that's all. Godwin's Law is not a logical fallacy. It doesn't validate or invalidate the actual Nazi argument.

So really, Godwin's Law, free speech, Nazi name-calling--none of that actually applies the short interchange between Magon and me. I hope by now that Magon understands what I was saying and NOT saying, and feels understood by me. If not, we've said our peace already.

Let's give it a rest, huh?

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thanks for that, cts.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike

Been to China lately?

Sorry, DT, but that's an auto-lose for you. ;)

You in no way even attempted to make any case or disprove my allegations.

Yeah, I did. China is a totalitarian dictatorship. It's only a libertarian paradise if you're Rand Paul and think libertarian philosophy is about letting corporations run away with everything, but the citizens be killed if they question the govt., or skip out on their 15 hour a day jobs, or fail at them, or have children, get my point?

NIKI2

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:56 PM

I agree with your definitions that Kane is a troll and “PN is not a troll. He is more of a spammer.” Makes sense.

I still disagree that you can flatly tell someone they lost an argument because of how you interpreted that argument, along with the fact that I don’t think anyone “wins” or “loses” an argument, discussion or debate here. As it happens, I agree with CTTS on both that how she feels re: her second point. I would also call it something we have a lot of here in the States: “I got mine, fuck you”.

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calling Cant Take the Sky a Nazi for defending Kaneman's right to free speech

That did not happen. There was a “comparison” made she wasn’t “called” a Nazi; there was no defense of free speech, as far as I can tell, there was a “thank you” for Kane not having attacked HER specifically.

Ooops, CTTS caught that the next post down. I read/post/read/post, takes too long to read the entire thread then go back and start responding. Mea culpa. I see now that both Magons and CTTS have refuted what you wrote. You over-dramatized; did you do that on purpose, or is that how you perceived it? Just curious.

As to defending his right to free speech, I believe CTTS was saying nobody IN THIS DISCUSSION, and specifically not her.

Wulf, I really wish you would pay attention. Luckily I don’t have to go through all this again, just re-read Mike’s post regarding the untrue things you said about me. Nobody here CAN censor another’s speech, and nowhere do I say “shut up” or attempt to change anyone. Of course lashing out is free speech, so is commenting on lashing out. Where do you get the idea I’m trying to “censor” speech? Do you have something personal that makes you feel that way? Do you feel guilty or something, or persecuted? I can’t figure that out...you keep saying the same thing over and over, despite it having been refuted...there’s got to be something more to it.

Ahhh, “shame”...there it might be. Why do you give a shit if I quote you? Why not just ignore the entire thread? Do you FEEL ashamed of what you write? If you don’t, why do you give a damn if someone quotes it? You’re taking this way too personally, which I don’t think others are...it is interesting. But basically, continuing to post what you have been just shows more and more that you are whining and “running to mommy” by complaining to the board.

You put up an entire thread just to whine; you've brought that whining into this thread and the one you initially whined ABOUT. Just ignore it and “man up”, as you said.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike

Been to China lately?

Sorry, DT, but that's an auto-lose for you. ;)

You in no way even attempted to make any case or disprove my allegations.

Yeah, I did. China is a totalitarian dictatorship. It's only a libertarian paradise if you're Rand Paul and think libertarian philosophy is about letting corporations run away with everything, but the citizens be killed if they question the govt., or skip out on their 15 hour a day jobs, or fail at them, or have children, get my point?

Oh, I get your point, but I think you still insist on missing mine. Rand Paul *IS* largely the face of the tea party movement, it's poster boy, it's golden boy, it's sacred wunderkind. Remember, these are the very people who turned out in droves to protest for the corporations' "right" to walk all over them, chew them up, shit them out, and stomp them into the ground.

In that very sense, China *IS* the tea-party utopia the tea party movement is pushing for.

That you may not LIKE it matters not one whit; it doesn't change what IS.

CANTTAKESKY

Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
"HUH??? Nobody defended Kaneman's right to free speech"

Well that says a lot...right?

A lot of times, "the right to free speech" means "I want the right to say whatever I want without being criticized or attacked." But that isn't what the First Amendment means--it is there to prevent shutting speech down by force or law, not to prevent speech from being criticized. And I believe you are smart enough that you don't expect THAT kind of "free speech."

As far as I know (though I may be wrong), no one's asked Haken to ban you from RWED. I think THAT means no one wants to take your right to free speech away. It goes without saying that you already have that right (since you're here speaking), and therefore your right to free speech does not need to be defended.

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KANEMAN

Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
"HUH??? Nobody defended Kaneman's right to free speech"

Well that says a lot...right?

A lot of times, "the right to free speech" means "I want the right to say whatever I want without being criticized or attacked." But that isn't what the First Amendment means--it is there to prevent shutting speech down by force or law, not to prevent speech from being criticized. And I believe you are smart enough that you don't expect THAT kind of "free speech."

As far as I know (though I may be wrong), no one's asked Haken to ban you from RWED. I think THAT means no one wants to take your right to free speech away. It goes without saying that you already have that right (since you're here speaking), and therefore your right to free speech does not need to be defended.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

There have been many request to have me banned. Whole threads. They get nowhere with their requests. I don't mind at all. I couldn't care less what those whiners think....

KWICKO

Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:22 AM

Quote:
Ahhh, “shame”...there it might be. Why do you give a shit if I quote you? Why not just ignore the entire thread? Do you FEEL ashamed of what you write? If you don’t, why do you give a damn if someone quotes it? You’re taking this way too personally, which I don’t think others are...it is interesting. But basically, continuing to post what you have been just shows more and more that you are whining and “running to mommy” by complaining to the board.

Yup, on all counts.

Yes, I'm fully aware that my words will offend some people. I deal in words, and I tend to be very careful with them. If any of you are offended by my words, you can be pretty sure that was my intent.

And if my words offend you, maybe you should choose YOUR words more carefully in the future. What I'm doing is fighting fire with fire. Many of you run around saying that one group needs to police its own, and I'm calling on you to do the same. I've shown pretty consistently that my left-wing brethren (and sistern?

) here will pull me up on the carpet and read me the riot act for MY words. What I don't see is anyone doing the same on the right. I hear a lot of pissing, moaning, wheedling, and whinging about "political correctness" and not having to stifle yourselves, but precious damned little of that gets brought up when I call you a bunch of racist tea-bagging scum. You want to insist to me that you all have the right to say whatever, and if anyone gets offended by your words, that's THEIR problem. So I'm doing my own experiment here (for years now), and holding you to that standard. And by and large, you don't like it. You get KKKaney, who claims I could *never* ridicule his worthless ass, running around bitching that Haken should ban me, and others who claim that I go too far and should be nicer to people who have openly posted that I should be murdered, and a few who've volunteered to do so.

You want people to respect you? Start by showing them some of the same. DT, you want me to quit calling your pet movement a bunch of teabaggers? Get on them to start treating my side with some respect, or fuck off. Y'all have been running us lefties down for YEARS, and you're being a bunch of giant pussies about getting called a bunch of ballsuckers.

What's that phrase again? MAN UP! Get over it. You on the right don't get to go around bashing groups of people for years, and then ask those same people to be nicer to you than you've ever been to them. And you especially don't get to start whining about it right after y'all claimed that you "shellacked" us on the left. Somehow, you manage to be even smaller and more petty as the party on the rise than you were when you were the party on the fringe.

KANEMAN

Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:49 AM

Kwicko, I would never want you banned. I couldn't pay for the rec I get on you. Oh, and stop ranting...You gays are funny. Way too serious.

...and spelling fairy I'd go back over your post if I called MYSELF the spelling fairy....Start with whinging....LOL

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:27 AM

Mike,

I am certain this is not the case, but I actually can't state the details on a public forum, I'll send you an email.

KWICKO

Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Kwicko, I would never want you banned. I couldn't pay for the rec I get on you. Oh, and stop ranting...You gays are funny. Way too serious.

...and spelling fairy I'd go back over your post if I called MYSELF the spelling fairy....Start with whinging....LOL

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Quote:
whinge verb \ˈhwinj, ˈwinj\
whingedwhing·ing or whinge·ing
Definition of WHINGE

intransitive verb
British
: to complain fretfully : whine
— whinge noun, British
Examples of WHINGE

Quit whinging and get on with the job.
People were whinging about the lack of service.
Origin of WHINGE

Middle English *whingen, from Old English hwinsian; akin to Old High German winsōn to moan
First Known Use: 12th century

Now what were you whinging about?

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
There have been many request to have me banned. Whole threads.

I'm sorry to hear that, though I completely understand why they wanted you banned. For what it's worth, I would defend your right to stay. But to be clear, I couldn't ever defend the kind of things you say. You know they are horrid, Kane.

If I may be so bold as to pry, why do you do it, Kane? I know you are fully capable of making intelligent and articulate arguments. Why resort to inexcusable vulgarity at all? It completely baffles me.

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NIKI2

Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:51 PM

CTTS, he has explained many times that he does it to pull our chain. I believe he also does it to get attention; the two put together being the definition of "troll."

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

KANEMAN

Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
There have been many request to have me banned. Whole threads.
I'm sorry to hear that, though I completely understand why they wanted you banned. For what it's worth, I would defend your right to stay. But to be clear, I couldn't ever defend the kind of things you say. You know they are horrid, Kane.

If I may be so bold as to pry, why do you do it, Kane? I know you are fully capable of making intelligent and articulate arguments. Why resort to inexcusable vulgarity at all? It completely baffles me.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

I usually just mess with Kwicko and Nikki2. I find their thin skin hilarious. I will say, in my defence, most of the time I am kidding and making a larger point(see clinton's genocide). Some get it and have figured it out. Those two, not so much.
When I say watching blacks hack each other into tasty morsels makes me happy, some see I am being over the top to shed light on the fact that Clinton allowed genocide to take place in Rwanda and is cheered by the same people who condemn Bush. By saying I love genocide(especially when involving blacks) those who despise me have to look in the mirror and ask themselves questions.
Then there are times I just push buttons. Why people get so worked up over race and sexuality is baffling to me. I am after all a black female bisexual

Thank you for your time. I have to go tell Kwicko he and his gay friends are hilarious and tell nikki it is time for her diaper change.

Bye.