Help Nathan Buy Firefly

POSTED BY: Channain
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CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 8:28 PM

On February 25, not long after the this campaign sort of went viral, Nathan Fillion Tweeted this:

It's beautiful to dream of more Firefly, but PLEASE DON'T SEND ANY MONEY. Just keep being great Browncoats, which you are!

He's not saying stop the Campaign, just don't send him any money. Awfully decent of him.

On Feb 17, 2011 - as posted here on FFF.net - in an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Nathan Fillion said: "If I got $300 million from the California Lottery, the first thing I would do is buy the rights to Firefly, make it on my own, and distribute it on the Internet."

"Well, let's get the Captain his money!"

http://helpnathanbuyfirefly.com

No, I'm not the one initiating this little campaign, just supporting the industrious mighty few who are.

Geeks of Doom are also perpetuating the momentum:

Internet Responds To Nathan Fillion: HelpNathanBuyFirefly.com
Posted by Tom Cheredar
http://geeksofdoom.com/2011/02/18/internet-responds-to-nathan-fillion-
helpnathanbuyfirefly-com/

Apparently there are some Browncoats on the California Lottery.

yfrog
Tweeted by @NathanFillion
http://yfrog.com/h38hvwj

Browncoats over on Facebook are pretty giddy.

Help Nathan Buy Firefly
Facebook Page
http://www.facebook.com/HelpNathanBuyFF

io9 just supported the effort

i09: Help Nathan Fillion Buy Firefly
Meredith Woerner, Author
http://io9.com/#!5764615/help-nathan-fillion-buy-firefly

According to blastr on Syfy.com, not so much just Nathan pulling an amount out of the air.

Nathan Fillion and Firefly's writers are ready continue the show
By Scott Edelman
http://blastr.com/2011/02/nathan-fillion-and-firefl.php

More regurgitation by EW, but it's in the news what, three days now?

Fans launch 'Help Nathan Fillion Buy Firefly' movement
by James Hibberd
Categories: Television, TV Biz
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/02/21/help-nathan-fillion-buy-firefly/

Browncoats are Tweeting Jose Molina and Jane Espenson about it right now.

Can't decide what you love, and you can't stop the signal.

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RIONAEIRE

Friday, February 18, 2011 9:22 PM

Woa, that has to be the weirdest thing I've ever seen online, one day after he said it in an interview there's a webpage about it. Wow. ... I'm ... astonished.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

PIRATENEWS

Friday, February 18, 2011 9:35 PM

Or he could rob a bank, train, mobster or govt. Go Nathan!

Frank Sinatra bought the rights to The Manchurian Candidate...then hid it away for decades.

"Two words I never want to hear again in a sentence are Flash and Drive!"
-Nathan Fillion, Drive

ZEEK

Friday, February 18, 2011 9:38 PM

Paging Storymark. Did anyone take that interview too seriously now?

This is a horrible campaign. I don't think Nathan would want to be involved with this in any way. Too many expectations and potential problems. You want to do this all in good fun then make it a "mail Nathan lottery tickets" game. Even that might not go over so well with him.

CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 10:16 PM

So... note to self. We did the impossible. It made us mighty. But apparently that's all we get.

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ZEEK

Friday, February 18, 2011 10:29 PM

*sigh* the more I've heard WE really didn't do much of anything. Joss and Mary Parent did the improbable. Sure our support probably didn't hurt, but it doesn't seem like it did a whole lot. When it really mattered we failed. We failed when Firefly was on the air and we failed when Serenity was in theaters. We done appear to be very mighty.

I don't want people to stop trying. I just think a little honesty is fair too.

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:00 PM

To be fair...I'm sure if Nathan managed to somehow raise 300mil, he'd probably set up a charity with it or something.

Browncoats haven't even managed to raise that much for Equality Now, which, while it's not Firefly, is certainly a more worthy cause.

I do like the lottery tickets idea though :)

CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:16 PM

I like the lottery ticket idea too.

I'm feeling my fogeydom now. Because when I sat in the theater surrounded by browncoats, it certainly felt mighty.

I think I'll just have Haken troll me. Probably best... dang it, where's that < sarcasm > tag? I just had it, now what have I done with it?

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CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:20 PM

This is for pirate radio guy. Your FANTASTICALLY SUPPORTIVE COMMENT neither discovered nor read by me until my third pass through due to the image and videos.

And no. I didn't watch the videos. Sorry. I believe LInks would have sufficed.

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CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:33 PM

Quote:
fearthebunnyman said:
Browncoats haven't even managed to raise that much for Equality Now, which, while it's not Firefly, is certainly a more worthy cause.

Ask them what they'd do to get the show back, though.

I'm told by a reputable browncoat in London that $50 million was raised for a statue of Robocop.

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FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:37 PM

Yeah, in Detroit. Which is pretty farking sad if you think about it.

CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:40 PM

It is TOTALLY farking sad.

Star Trek got a whole Los Vegas Experience.

Well... we got a pretty cool captain, though.

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HAKEN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
I'm told by a reputable browncoat in London that $50 million was raised for a statue of Robocop.

It wasn't $50 million. At $50 million, they can make another RoboCop movie. It was more like $56,000 or something in that range.

Since we're on the subject. The rights to Firefly and Serenity are different, are they not? 'Firefly' is owned by FOX and 'Serenity' is owned by Universal. It's probably more realistic to raise money for a 'Serenity' sequel.

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CHANNAIN

Friday, February 18, 2011 11:58 PM

Yes, but only half the fans liked Serenity. I still say that it isn't as good as the series, and I saw it 7 times.

Did you know that a bronze funerary casket with a life-size bust of the deceased would cost $100,000? A friend of mine works at a funeral home. He told us about it.

*EDIT*

Okay, I looked it up. Its $50,000. So not so reputable. But this is a guy who thought very seriously about buying a fully operational Dalek so he could tool around London as The Roaming Dalek. I really should have considered the source.

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TVCHICK

Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:09 AM

Smells scam-y to me. Unless Nathan himself gives it the ok, I'm staying away.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:29 AM

Yeah, it's around fifty thou or so, for a statue of Robocop... in Detroit..

Look, I can't help it if my state is full of weirdos.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110216/NEWS01/110216015/Sci-fi-fans-rej
oice-RoboCop-statue-coming-Detroit

On the other hand, it is kinda cool though.

-F

CHANNAIN

Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TVChick:
Smells scam-y to me. Unless Nathan himself gives it the ok, I'm staying away.

Well, that's understandable, and wise.

On Twitter, Nathan asked @nerdist Chris Hardwick to do a podcast - someone on Facebook hypothesizes that Nathan might answer all this there. Chris suggested Sunday at Noon.

We might know something soon.

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DMI

Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Yes, but only half the fans liked Serenity. I still say that it isn't as good as the series, and I saw it 7 times.

Half? Where are you getting that? I've only met a handful of people who didn't like the movie and I've encountered some who liked the movie but not the show. I'm with you that the series was better, but honestly, I'd be happy with anything more, even gorram webisodes. Comic books just aren't doin' it for me.

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CHANNAIN

Saturday, February 19, 2011 12:49 AM

Quote:
DMI Said:
Half? Where are you getting that?

Personal experience, fans I talk to, the cast I RP with. Actually, no, that's wrong. Everyone I RP with watched the movie but didn't care for it, or thought it could have been better.

Of the Browncoats who are recruited according to the order of the DVDs and then the movie find the movie extremely disappointing.

I'm one of them, and I fought for it; I saw two pre-screenings in the theater, one of them with Ron Glass, and my tagline is a quote from the movie. So between you and me, you could be the one that liked it, I'm the one who didn't - that's half right there.

Most of the time, though, even those half who don't like it will still watch it. Because it's all we have. How is that fair?

I like the comics as well. The artwork has been phenomenal and the story, of course, exceptional. It's not the same as hearing the voices, feeling the raw raggedy edge of the Black again.

I recruited my niece recently. She finished and kept asking me, "Why was this cancelled again?"

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CHANNAIN

Saturday, February 19, 2011 1:00 AM

People do very strange things, don't they?

Fans brought back Doctor Who by pledging £5 - £10 per person. Doctor Who had 26 YEARS, rather than 13 excellent episodes and a movie that didn't make me feel any better about cancellation.

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CHANNAIN

Saturday, February 19, 2011 1:29 AM

More than a bump - there's an update:

http://helpnathanbuyfirefly.com/?p=11

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CHANNAIN

Saturday, February 19, 2011 2:20 AM

Checkout the blastr story. Could be it's hype... but what if it's not?

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CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 2:19 AM

In case you haven't been following, Nathan is going to be on the Nerdest Podcast; he asked for questions for his podcast.

www.thenerdist.com

The Facebook page for Help Nathan Buy Firefly has some great new art for the campaign, now located at the following addy:

http://www.facebook.com/HelpNathanBuyFF

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BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Monday, February 21, 2011 9:42 AM

This whole idea is from an interview. This is another case of people getting worked up over nothing. Hell if I won the lottery I'd buy the rights too. I'm not staying awake pondering that one though. I loved Firefly and almost loved Serenity. Like anything in life you loved and lost... you need to move on.

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burdened with an overabundance of
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CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 1:13 PM

Quote:
biggestdamnhero said:
Like anything in life you loved and lost... you need to move on.

Then... why are you still here? Why do I keep coming back here whenever the slightest little bitty thing reminds me of Firefly?

"Move on" doesn't always mean drop like a hot potato, does it? I know what moving on means, and it doesn't mean setting it aside entirely. It means remembering and bringing what you learned from it into your every day life.

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SAFEAT2ND

Monday, February 21, 2011 2:33 PM

Keep believing Channin! Don't get jaded or 'move on.'

I'm with you and I'll draw their fire with this next statement while you keep the hope alive.

Here goes, have at me you blaggards!

I didn't like the Buffyfied Firefly they called Serenity.

There I said it!

I don't think it was terrible but it lacked the 'character' of Firefly. Yeah the characters were the same, the ship was the same, even the 'verse was the same but they were characitures of the originals.

Granted todays movie going audience is not an easy atmosphere to make money in. Look at the majority of the movies that are making money for proof. Look at the series on TV that last. What do they have in common? No story, no intelligence just flash and pretties. There are exceptions. Firefly was an exception and is worth fighting for.

We've become a society of crows and sheep.

Stand out of the flock.

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CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 2:36 PM

Quote:
safeat2nd said:
Stand out of the flock.

*pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and passes it over*

Good on you, Browncoat.

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ZEEK

Monday, February 21, 2011 4:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
http://helpnathanbuyfirefly.com/?p=11

Heard this song and dance before. "We're so excited! Our project is going to work! Now everyone else rally behind us and do all the real work."

That last part never seems to happen. At least they sound like they want some official blessing from Joss, Nathan or Tim. I hope they just focus on that for now. Mainly because I don't think they'll ever get that anyway. No sense getting people's hopes up for nothing.

SOULOFSERENITY

Monday, February 21, 2011 4:59 PM

Good gorram! Whatever happened to "We hold! We hold 'til the Captain gets back!"????

The last time I checked, we are Browncoats, not Purplebellies. I've been a fan since the very beginning. Hell, I was a fan when I saw the previews for the show, before it even aired! I will hold, and I will keep hope alive. There's no point in trying to bring down the rest of us just because you've given up.

_______________________________________________

ZEEK

Monday, February 21, 2011 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SoulOfSerenity:
Good gorram! Whatever happened to "We hold! We hold 'til the Captain gets back!"????

The last time I checked, we are Browncoats, not Purplebellies. I've been a fan since the very beginning. Hell, I was a fan when I saw the previews for the show, before it even aired! I will hold, and I will keep hope alive. There's no point in trying to bring down the rest of us just because you've given up.

This kind of detachment from reality is exactly the type of thing I think should be avoided. That's a line from a movie. It's just a work of fiction. Purple bellies are also fictional. Just like the chances this campaign will work.

It just doesn't seem healthy to me to be getting to worked up over something like this. If people want to have an open honest discussion about it then that's cool. Throwing out a bunch of hype and getting people excited over nothing but a website just doesn't sit well with me.

SAFEAT2ND

Monday, February 21, 2011 5:37 PM

Sure it's fiction. No-one says it's reality. Want quasi reality go watch Jersey Shore. Yes people are really that stupid and society and today's media encourage it.

What's having a little hope hurt? What's it cost? Nothing.

Things don't get changed by sitting back and giving up.

The definition of fan is: An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.

Not sensing a whole lot of enthusiasm for some. And before anyone goes spouting off about rabid fandom, all Channin was doing was bringing this to our attention.

She had hope. So sue her. If it doesn't happen, oh well, we'll wait for the next rumour and hope that this time it'll stick. We all realize the chances may be slim, but the fact that it is still being talked about be the actors and creators...

Not interested in having hope or seeing someone else have a little hope, don't read. No-one is forcing.

An appropriate adult answer is, "Here's hoping, probably won't but still."

Yeesh...

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ZEEK

Monday, February 21, 2011 5:46 PM

The website itself is over the top. It was created in a matter of a day from an off the cuff comment in an interview. Nathan is great at pandering to the fans. That's why so many of them love him so much. It doesn't mean that everything he says is 100% serious.

This whole "we've done the impossible and that makes us mighty" thing is also something that gets old after a while. People on these very boards have pointed out how little the fans have actually done. It's basically a big lie at this point.

All I'm saying is that we should try to stick to the truth as best we can. It makes browncoats look a lot more mature and rational IMO.

CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 5:47 PM

Quote:
Zeek said:
This kind of detachment from reality is exactly the type of thing I think should be avoided. That's a line from a movie. It's just a work of fiction. Purple bellies are also fictional. Just like the chances this campaign will work.

And you're more than welcome to your opinion, Mr. "I would date Lois Lane from Smallville." So fiction is okay when it comes to hot characters you'd like to date - so noted and glad for the distinction, thank you.

Quote:
Zeek also said:
It just doesn't seem healthy to me to be getting to worked up over something like this. If people want to have an open honest discussion about it then that's cool. Throwing out a bunch of hype and getting people excited over nothing but a website just doesn't sit well with me.

This is an open and honest discussion by "people" aka Browncoats who are very passionate about this very subject. The fact that we happen to use Firefly lingo to express it is just fun, that's all.

I feel the need to spread the word, until I deem that it's time to not. You are more than welcome to contradict me until it's time to stop.

Rock?

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ZEEK

Monday, February 21, 2011 6:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Quote:
Zeek said:
This kind of detachment from reality is exactly the type of thing I think should be avoided. That's a line from a movie. It's just a work of fiction. Purple bellies are also fictional. Just like the chances this campaign will work.
And you're more than welcome to your opinion, Mr. "I would date Lois Lane from Smallville." So fiction is okay when it comes to hot characters you'd like to date - so noted and glad for the distinction, thank you.

You can understand the difference between hypothetical questions and questions based in reality, right? If not this whole mix up might be easier to explain.

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Quote:
Zeek also said:
It just doesn't seem healthy to me to be getting to worked up over something like this. If people want to have an open honest discussion about it then that's cool. Throwing out a bunch of hype and getting people excited over nothing but a website just doesn't sit well with me.

This is an open and honest discussion by "people" aka Browncoats who are very passionate about this very subject. The fact that we happen to use Firefly lingo to express it is just fun, that's all.

I feel the need to spread the word, until I deem that it's time to not. You are more than welcome to contradict me until it's time to stop.

Rock?

Yeah it's a message board. We can all say what we want for the most part. I just feel the need to set the record straight when I think people are posting misleading things.

CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 6:24 PM

Quote:
Zeek wrote:
Yeah it's a message board. We can all say what we want for the most part. I just feel the need to set the record straight when I think people are posting misleading things.

And if it turns out it is misleading or malicious in anyway, I will be the first to say so. In ALL CAPS on each and every venue I've already posted my support. There will be fire, and there will be brimstone. You can rely upon that.

What you should reconsider, though, is the idea that Nathan wasn't kidding about doing an Internet series. He would be crazy to give up a gig as good as Castle, but he's also doing a voice-over for the Green Lantern. Doing Firefly on the Internet would be a side venture - a guy has to do something during the hiatus, right? Why not devote his time to regaining a role his still treasures?

Unless you're a personal friend of his and can say for a fact that he said to you, "No, I didn't mean that," then any doubts you have about his actions are as superfluous as my confidence in him. FYI, I haven't met him either, nor do I have the pleasure of calling him my friend. But then I give that title to a very distinct few.

So as much as you object to me being misleading, I object to your unfounded opinion about what a perfect if very visual stranger would or would not do.

Given that, and a healthy dose of reality, I can support this venture. I supported Serenity and I still believe that without the Browncoats there wouldn't have been a movie. I will even accept that we didn't do as much as we'd like to think, but without people to buy the tickets, we still wouldn't even be talking about it in these terms.

Quote:
Zeek Asked:
You can understand the difference between hypothetical questions and questions based in reality, right? If not this whole mix up might be easier to explain.

This is entirely hypothetical until some results start to show up. But nothing moves from hypothetical into reality in media genre fiction until the actual fans know about it and choose to do something.

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TWO

Monday, February 21, 2011 6:38 PM

From Whedonesque: http://whedonesque.com/comments/25916#405602

Quote:
For anybody who missed it, here's a few of the previous fan campaigns:

There's been FireflySeason2.com - now defunct - previous thread http://whedonesque.com/comments/9347 - which was registered in an address on Fox's lot with somebody claiming to be in contact with joss and the actors to get the rights off Fox. It was unrealistic balls.

There was 2009's MySerenitySequel.com - now defunct - with aimed to collect $50 x 400,000 people.. This is the same math as HelpNathanBuyFirefly.com are using, as it happens.

Also browncoatsriseagain.com - now defunct - previous thread http://whedonesque.com/comments/9309 - which was collecting money via Paypal until one of the producers talked them out of it and got the money returned.

There were also some things called Operation Blue Hands, Operation Full Burn etc.

gossi | February 21, 17:28 CET

Comic relief -- outside Rupert Murdoch's office:
http://hijinksensue.com/2011/02/17/the-bad-news-bearer/

The real Rupert Murdoch

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CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 6:48 PM

New article:

Entertainment Weekly, February 21, 2011

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/02/21/help-nathan-fillion-buy-firefly/

Conclusion of the article:
"BTW: Firefly ratings back in 2002? About a 2.9 in the adult demo. Which nowadays is considered a success — it’s what CSI and The Mentalist pulled this week. Not that the space-western would likely get the same numbers if on the air today when there’s so much more competition from cable, but it’s interesting to think about."

Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?

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CORNCOBB

Monday, February 21, 2011 7:20 PM

Well, I'm intrigued. Not ready to commit to pledging or anything yet, but as soon as Joss or Nathan is on board then so am I.

Okay, it may be a long shot. That doesn't mean it's not worth a try. Nobody ever accomplished anything by not bothering to try.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

TWO

Monday, February 21, 2011 7:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
"BTW: Firefly ratings back in 2002? About a 2.9 in the adult demo. Which nowadays is considered a success — it’s what CSI and The Mentalist pulled this week. Not that the space-western would likely get the same numbers if on the air today when there’s so much more competition from cable, but it’s interesting to think about."

Makes you wonder why, doesn't it?

What really makes me wonder is what FOX replaced Firefly with. Did the next show in Firefly's timeslot do worse? And what then replaced the replacement? Did it also do worse than Firefly? If we knew about those replacements, we could rationally judge FOX based only upon business considerations and audience numbers. My non-rational judgment, without need for numbers, is FOX failed.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 7:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Corncobb:
Well, I'm intrigued. Not ready to commit to pledging or anything yet, but as soon as Joss or Nathan is on board then so am I.

Okay, it may be a long shot. That doesn't mean it's not worth a try. Nobody ever accomplished anything by not bothering to try.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

*Pours very *FRESH* wine and passes it to Corncobb*

Thank you - and Good on you Browncoat.

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ZEEK

Monday, February 21, 2011 7:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
And if it turns out it is misleading or malicious in anyway, I will be the first to say so. In ALL CAPS on each and every venue I've already posted my support. There will be fire, and there will be brimstone. You can rely upon that.

What you should reconsider, though, is the idea that Nathan wasn't kidding about doing an Internet series. He would be crazy to give up a gig as good as Castle, but he's also doing a voice-over for the Green Lantern. Doing Firefly on the Internet would be a side venture - a guy has to do something during the hiatus, right? Why not devote his time to regaining a role his still treasures?

Unless you're a personal friend of his and can say for a fact that he said to you, "No, I didn't mean that," then any doubts you have about his actions are as superfluous as my confidence in him. FYI, I haven't met him either, nor do I have the pleasure of calling him my friend. But then I give that title to a very distinct few.

So as much as you object to me being misleading, I object to your unfounded opinion about what a perfect if very visual stranger would or would not do.

Given that, and a healthy dose of reality, I can support this venture. I supported Serenity and I still believe that without the Browncoats there wouldn't have been a movie. I will even accept that we didn't do as much as we'd like to think, but without people to buy the tickets, we still wouldn't even be talking about it in these terms.

Yeah I think we just disagree about the whole thing.

I mean it's pretty clear that these mini-campaigns are doing damage to the fandom as it is. I mean Two's post just shows that these are getting lumped together as just the next in a list of similar failures. When the time comes that we really can make a difference we'll be the browncoats who cried wolf. Maybe this is the time it will work and here I am being jaded. Do we really want to breed feelings like that?

CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I mean it's pretty clear that these mini-campaigns are doing damage to the fandom as it is. I mean Two's post just shows that these are getting lumped together as just the next in a list of similar failures. When the time comes that we really can make a difference we'll be the browncoats who cried wolf. Maybe this is the time it will work and here I am being jaded. Do we really want to breed feelings like that?

No, of course not.

But your way leaves no room whatsoever for hope. And if there is no hope, then Haken might just as well shut this site down.

We're going to have to agree to disagree, otherwise your arguments against mine are going to keep this thread at the top of the active thread chain forever. THEN where will "we" be?

*pours very *FRESH* wine and passes it to Zeek*

Good on you too, Browncoat.

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ZEEK

Monday, February 21, 2011 8:35 PM

Do we need hope for more Firefly/Serenity to enjoy each other's company? I don't.

CHANNAIN

Monday, February 21, 2011 8:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Do we need hope for more Firefly/Serenity to enjoy each other's company? I don't.

Neither do I - but there are some of us... well, it doesn't hurt.

You don't want them to get all crotchety and jaded too, do you? Not everyone deals with realism so well. There was a significant time of bitterness when I would have been right beside you. I've gotten past that stage of my grieving, which for me is a pretty big deal.

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ECGORDON

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by two:
What really makes me wonder is what FOX replaced Firefly with. Did the next show in Firefly's timeslot do worse? And what then replaced the replacement? Did it also do worse than Firefly? If we knew about those replacements, we could rationally judge FOX based only upon business considerations and audience numbers. My non-rational judgment, without need for numbers, is FOX failed.

Fastlane moved into the Friday night slot on Jan. 10, 2003, but it had aired nine episodes previously on Wednesdays before Firefly was canceled. It did get a full season of 22 eps but wasn't renewed after that. I don't recall what was in that time slot for the 2003-4 season.

EDIT: According to wikipedia, there were two sitcoms in that slot in the fall of '03, "Wanda at Large" and "Luis," followed by "Boston Public," then BP was moved to the earlier hour in early '04 when "Wonderfalls" premiered.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:57 AM

I'm skeptical too, but I suppose people can give if they like and hope if they like, we'll see what happens, and I certainly think Channain has the right to post it, passing on info for whoever is interested, sure its bizarre, but people can choose what to do with the information if its given, if it isn't given then people can't choose to do anything with it.

A Channain a chara,
I'm one of the half that dislikes the film, watched it twice, did my best with it, but still didn't really enjoy it. I think it has a few good concepts, a few good lines, but I don't really fancy it as a whole.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

TWO

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Fastlane moved into the Friday night slot on Jan. 10, 2003, but it had aired nine episodes previously on Wednesdays before Firefly was canceled. It did get a full season of 22 eps but wasn't renewed after that. I don't recall what was in that time slot for the 2003-4 season.

EDIT: According to wikipedia, there were two sitcoms in that slot in the fall of '03, "Wanda at Large" and "Luis," followed by "Boston Public," then BP was moved to the earlier hour in early '04 when "Wonderfalls" premiered.

Proof enough for me. FOX ends Firefly with, what?, three episodes ready to air. That is exactly the same as throwing away money. Who but the top man could deliberately waste that much money? And then FOX replaces red hot Firefly with a string of soggy firecrackers. Who but Rupert Murdoch could getaway with those decisions without being fired? While looking for a hideous picture, I find an article that fits my unsubstantial theory that it's Rupert who killed Firefly. - “Is Rupert Murdoch Picking Shows for Fox?” - http://bit.ly/hQyjN0

If Joss Whedon needs a name for a villain on one of his shows, that name should be “Rupert.” Do you really want to pay Rupert Murdoch millions for the right to use the word Firefly? He would laugh at the irony and your gullibility. It's paying the kidnapper AFTER he killed the hostage.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:03 PM

I remain 100% convinced that at some point in the future there will be more Firefly. It may not include all or even any of our BDH's, but there will be a Firefly comeback someday. I've said the same thing about shows going back to Star Trek, and I've seen most of my favorites return in some form. I'm holdin'!

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:36 PM

Well yeah I'd expect at some point in the future there will be someone who decides to remake Firefly. I don't really care about a remake if there are different actors and Joss isn't involved.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Paging Storymark. Did anyone take that interview too seriously now?

Heh, yeah, I stand corrected.

Quote:
This is a horrible campaign. I don't think Nathan would want to be involved with this in any way. Too many expectations and potential problems. You want to do this all in good fun then make it a "mail Nathan lottery tickets" game. Even that might not go over so well with him.

Yeah, not a very well thought out campaign. But its nice to see the browncoats are so willing to step up, even if it's not particularly realistic.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Well yeah I'd expect at some point in the future there will be someone who decides to remake Firefly. I don't really care about a remake if there are different actors and Joss isn't involved.

My interest would certainly be diminished, and I would be very skeptical.... but I'd still give it a shot and judge from there.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
My interest would certainly be diminished, and I would be very skeptical.... but I'd still give it a shot and judge from there.

Yeah I think it would be basically like the new Buffy movie. I don't hate the idea but I don't have any added interest in it over any other movie.

BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:42 AM

Sorry, but don't see spending hard earned money and energy to try to revive a dead show. Whedon banked on his Buffy fame and lost. America wasn't ready for a sci-fi with horses! Fox was to blame as well. No matter how much you pray to Buddha for that "plastic rocket" it isn't going to happen. This obsession bordering on a cult like devotion to a GD TV show isn't going to help you either. That is why America is morally and ethically bankrupt. To many people live their lives through their tv. Yeah I said it.

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

CHAPTERANDVERSE

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:19 PM

Don't know if this was already posted, but Patrick Rothfuss, author of the Name of the Wind, has this to say:
http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2011/02/an-open-letter-to-nathan-filli
on/

awesome....

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chapterandverse:
Don't know if this was already posted, but Patrick Rothfuss, author of the Name of the Wind, has this to say:
http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2011/02/an-open-letter-to-nathan-filli
on/

awesome....

I was about to add this - THANK YOU!!!

*Pours a cup of *FRESH* wine and passes it over*

I'm *EAGERLY* anticipating my copy of "Wise Man's Fear." And I'll be buying it as a paperback to share with others, and an ebook (sorry Patrick) for my iPod nook app.

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CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
Sorry, but don't see spending hard earned money and energy to try to revive a dead show.

So... don't.

The ones who are organizing this (anonymous, so maybe still slightly shif-tay) aren't collecting money yet, and won't until they hear from Nathan Fillion, Joss Whedon, Tim Minear - anyone who might officially want to do this. If the campaign falls down, I'll be the first to cut this off.

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
Whedon banked on his Buffy fame and lost.

Which would be where it screwed up.

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
America wasn't ready for a sci-fi with horses! Fox was to blame as well.

Do NOT get me started on Fox. However, considering 23,000 people have joined the Facebook page for Help Nathan buy Firefly - since it started on Monday - some small part of America and possibly the world is definitely ready.

Ooh... get all those folks together into a stadium and get them all chanting "Browncoat" - BETTER!! Have each one record it, put it together on YouTube... It would follow the general application of this campaign.

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
No matter how much you pray to Buddha for that "plastic rocket" it isn't going to happen.

I don't even pray to God for money. I'm Lutheran, we work for it and let God take care of the rest.

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
This obsession bordering on a cult like devotion to a GD TV show isn't going to help you either.

But it IS a cult TV series. Read anything anywhere and the word "cult" will come up sooner or later.

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
That is why America is morally and ethically bankrupt. To many people live their lives through their tv. Yeah I said it.

Whoa, turn down the teapot, dude. I think it's enough we're talking about this. Politics and the moral and ethical stand of Americans is a topic for another thread - by virtue of the potential sheer volume.

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

My education's just fine, thanks. I got the student loans to prove it... oh, wait, was that your signature quote?

So you're quoting a cult TV series that doesn't stand a tinker's damn of being revived, posting with one of Universal's images of the character played by the man who allegedly started all this with a random comment.

Does that qualify as ironical? I have trouble differentiating what is and is otherwise just coincidence.

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CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:46 PM

Today's CNN Article:

Geek-Out:
Internet-savvy 'Firefly' fans fly back into the fight

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/02/23/bring.back.firefly/index.ht
ml?eref=rss_tech&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_tech+(RSS:+Technology)&utm_content=Twitter

GeekOut has a logo I might wear on a T-shirt, and for me, that's saying something.

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CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:51 PM

Somewhat more cynical outlook on the whole endeavor, but considering the multitude of responses I'm getting, pretty much on par.

What I Learned Today
http://youlearnsomethingeveryday.tumblr.com/post/3451735029/i-swear-by
-my-pretty-floral-bonnet-this-would-be-dope

Rionaire - thank you for your comments. Being a Browncoat sure isn't easy, is it?

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CHAPTERANDVERSE

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Quote:
Originally posted by chapterandverse:
Don't know if this was already posted, but Patrick Rothfuss, author of the Name of the Wind, has this to say:
http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2011/02/an-open-letter-to-nathan-filli
on/

awesome....
I was about to add this - THANK YOU!!!

*Pours a cup of *FRESH* wine and passes it over*

I'm *EAGERLY* anticipating my copy of "Wise Man's Fear." And I'll be buying it as a paperback to share with others, and an ebook (sorry Patrick) for my iPod nook app.

Much obliged.

*Takes a looonnnnnggg sip of almost-fresh wine. splutters a little. smiles*

Am very much looking forward to Wise Man's Fear myslf. Always liked Mr. Rothfuss. Now officially love him. And his almighty beard.

TWO

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Somewhat more cynical outlook on the whole endeavor, but considering the multitude of responses I'm getting, pretty much on par.

Malcolm Reynolds, a real Browncoat, would be hard, cynical, and contemptuous toward FOX. He would not want his fans to be soft-headed. He might act something like this:

Did you see the Firefly owner's tweet? @Rupert_Murdoch: You can take the sky from me - for a price.

There was no mention in his following tweets of how much Rupert would charge the fans for the copyright. Presumably, the higher the fan enthusiasm, the higher the price, with the sky being no limit. You know what happens when trusting fans match wits against Rupert Murdoch? He will set you adrift without fuel and air. If you can't keep secret how much money you raise, he will take every cent, leaving you with nothing to make the show after you buy the rights from him.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Did you see the Firefly owner's tweet? @Rupert_Murdoch: You can take the sky from me - for a price.

There was no mention in his following tweets of how much Rupert would charge the fans for the copyright.

No mention, huh? Hmmm... So maybe his price is a share in the future endeavor. Presumably, he could be convinced to almost give it up if he thinks he can make more coin by doing it.

Which means our BDHs running the risk of making Firefly with the Devil in their midst.

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TWO

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
No mention, huh? Hmmm... So maybe his price is a share in the future endeavor. Presumably, he could be convinced to almost give it up if he thinks he can make more coin by doing it.

Which means our BDHs running the risk of making Firefly with the Devil in their midst.

The amount of coin the Devil, Rupert Murdoch, will charge is exactly equal to the amount of money he knows you have. The only possible way for there to be any money left to make the new Firefly is if the Devil does not know how much you raised. Gathering the money publicly gives the Devil complete, absolute, unbreakable power over you. It's not personal; it's business.

There is another way, a better way. Once he wins the lottery, Nathan Fillion could cut a deal with the Devil. If Rupert Murdoch doesn't accept Nathan's final offer for Firefly rights, Nathan could threaten him, Captain Reynolds style: “With the cash you're turning down, I figure I'll buy a statue of myself, Rupert. Monumentally big and situated in front of the place you were born in Australia. It will be me dressed as Capt. Mal and you, the Devil, kissing my ass.” It's not business; it's personal.

At that point, the Devil might realize that the Captain will walk away from any deal with too high a price. The Devil will not take all the money, leaving nothing to make new Firefly.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:27 PM

Yemen, Egypt, Libya... Firefly... it's all doable. You never know when that last straw is going to drop into place. I went to cnn.com yesterday and saw the second mention of this campaign on their front page - that's a lot of eyeballs. And then last night I heard Castle's mom say she was going to a Serenity Spa - crazy fun. Has any other canceled show gotten this much attention? It's almost more well known now for being canceled than anything else. I'd think it may reach a tipping point soon where so many people have heard about it and are really really really curious. Someone's going to bring it back to tv in some form - I have no doubt. In a funny, fitting way, it's getting treated like an old shoe and bounced around and mostly known on the fringes of regular society fits the show and crew perfectly.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

FOLLOWMAL

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Today's CNN Article:

Geek-Out:
Internet-savvy 'Firefly' fans fly back into the fight

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/02/23/bring.back.firefly/index.ht
ml?eref=rss_tech&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_tech+(RSS:+Technology)&utm_content=Twitter

GeekOut has a logo I might wear on a T-shirt, and for me, that's saying something.

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Fun to see a mention of Firefly on CNN where it can be seen by so many people!
I agree about the logo, Channain- it's perfect t-shirt material. :)

http://www.kidsneedtoread.org

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
Sorry, but don't see spending hard earned money and energy to try to revive a dead show. Whedon banked on his Buffy fame and lost. America wasn't ready for a sci-fi with horses! Fox was to blame as well. No matter how much you pray to Buddha for that "plastic rocket" it isn't going to happen. This obsession bordering on a cult like devotion to a GD TV show isn't going to help you either. That is why America is morally and ethically bankrupt. To many people live their lives through their tv. Yeah I said it.

Golly, you must be fun at parties.

If you find this fandom so upsetting.... what the fuck are you doing here anyway?

Sure, pining for a TV show might not be the most effective use of time. But bitching about people talking about a show is several magnitudes below worthless.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Somewhat more cynical outlook on the whole endeavor, but considering the multitude of responses I'm getting, pretty much on par.
Malcolm Reynolds, a real Browncoat, would be hard, cynical, and contemptuous toward FOX. He would not want his fans to be soft-headed. He might act something like this:

Did you see the Firefly owner's tweet? @Rupert_Murdoch: You can take the sky from me - for a price.

Wow....

You really think Murdoch gives a flip about the show one way or the other? I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know what it was.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
You really think Murdoch gives a flip about the show one way or the other? I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know what it was.

He does know. He even watches his own network. I know that's hard to believe when he is so very, very busy and could easily pay a personal assistant to watch and write him a daily memo. “Is Rupert Murdoch Picking Shows for Fox?” - http://bit.ly/hQyjN0

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:53 PM

Uh, yeah, did you read that?? It's about Murdoch maybe upping his involvement with the network NOW, since Chernin is gone. Now is not 8 years ago, where there was a full executive staff on hand.

It even says in there that the last time Murdoch had anything to do with programming was when he insisted that Fox air American Idol.... and that was 6 months before Firefly premiered.

Reading the article before posting it would be a wise notion in the future... Just FYI.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NE0VEN0M

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:56 PM

I just wanted to say I'm excited about the media attention this has been getting lately.

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Reading the article before posting it would be a wise notion in the future... Just FYI.

That's what I do. Although I am okay with having an opposing view. Conversations are no fun if everyone agrees. A strange and unusual point of view, but there it is.

*Pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and passes it to Storymark*

Good on you Browncoat.

Right now, my cynical side is saying, "Isn't it nice that all these folks are jumping on the band wagon as a means to play the attention game; wanna focus on Firefly? HERE! Let me regurgitate that story for you. Oh, and look at me, aren't I pretty too? I have loads of other content over HERE."

See, that's how I am. I am Gemini, and I am chaos.

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CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ne0ven0m:
I just wanted to say I'm excited about the media attention this has been getting lately.

I think we're all divided between the giddy and the crotchety on that. I'm on the line in between; cautiously excited.

I am grey - I stand between the darkness and the light.

BUT! We just got moved to the news column - THANKS HAKEN!!

Meantime, more press.

How Much Would You Pay for Another Season of Firefly?
Paul Tassi - Insert Coin - Forbes
http://blogs.forbes.com/insertcoin/2011/02/23/how-much-would-you-pay-f
or-another-season-of-firefly/

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ne0ven0m:
I just wanted to say I'm excited about the media attention this has been getting lately.

Yeah, I think that's the best thing about this. Fans wont be able to buy the property, that's a pipe dream. But the fans being vocal enough after 8 years, so much so that we make CNN and other outlets - well it might just show TPTB that there's some life left in it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

TWO

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:22 PM

Channain, Storymark -- You'd be wise to be scared of FOX. Selling Firefly would be another opportunistic business deal for Rupert Murdoch, who has a long history of getting the upperhand. You knew that about Rupert from any biography. He'd negotiate through his FOX flunkey because he is a busy man, and he will take every cent Browncoats collect, leaving nothing for filming new Firefly.

And after, Rupert will be very sorry that his TV executive was too tough with the Browncoats, but a deal is a deal. As a kind gesture, he'll personally donate maybe $1,000 to CSTS and to Nathan's favorite charity to assuage our suspicions that we were robbed blind. Rupert's a gentleman and a great humanitarian. You'd know that if you read his newspapers.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:26 PM

So, you get around to reading that article you posted yet, Two....?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GREENKA61

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:07 PM

For what it's worth, here's my take on it.

If people buy lottery tickets and send them to Nathan, he probably won't win the 300 million (or whatever the number was). A miracle occurs and he wins enough to buy the rights. A non-miracle occurs, Firefly still gets publicity. Finally, if any of those tickets win smaller amounts, he'll probably put the money into Kids Need to Read. That's good for kids.

Either way, I don't see it as a problem. If you look at it as something fun to do, then it will ultimately benefit Firefly, Nathan, or kids who need books, and those are three "causes" I don't mind doing a little something for.

Your mileage may vary.

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by greenka61:
For what it's worth, here's my take on it.

If people buy lottery tickets and send them to Nathan, he probably won't win the 300 million (or whatever the number was). A miracle occurs and he wins enough to buy the rights. A non-miracle occurs, Firefly still gets publicity. Finally, if any of those tickets win smaller amounts, he'll probably put the money into Kids Need to Read. That's good for kids.

They've already mentioned the DVD campaign that put the series out on the Navy ships - that was good for the troops.

Kids Need to Read, CSTS, and anything else the BDHs support could also get a boost from this.

Or the miracle does happen. AND the charities get a boost at the same time. That sounds a little too shiny to be true... doesn't make it any less shinier though, right?

*Pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and passes it to greenka61*

Good on you, Browncoat.

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CHANNAIN

Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Channain, Storymark -- You'd be wise to be scared of FOX. Selling Firefly would be another opportunistic business deal for Rupert Murdoch, who has a long history of getting the upperhand.

And after, Rupert will be very sorry that his TV executive was too tough with the Browncoats, but a deal is a deal. As a kind gesture, he'll personally donate maybe $1,000 to CSTS and to Nathan's favorite charity to assuage our suspicions that we were robbed blind. Rupert's a gentleman and a great humanitarian. You'd know that if you read his newspapers.

I'm confused.

First you hate him. But you're posting his ugly mug in the thread.

Here it sounds like you like him, which explains the ugly mug in the thread twice.

I think I missed the tag somewhere, right? I'm sure it's me.

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RIONAEIRE

Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:40 AM

Everyone got fresh wine but me, may I have strawberry wine? :)
I continue to be amazed at how popular this is getting, kind of exciting, but time will tell. As people said it probably won't work, but it will bring more attention to browncoats and the show which is cool, plus charities.

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GREENKA61

Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:18 AM

Originally posted by Channain:

Quote:

They've already mentioned the DVD campaign that put the series out on the Navy ships - that was good for the troops.

Kids Need to Read, CSTS, and anything else the BDHs support could also get a boost from this.

Or the miracle does happen. AND the charities get a boost at the same time. That sounds a little too shiny to be true... doesn't make it any less shinier though, right?

Bob's your uncle! Exactly! Anything to make this winter of increasing discontent a little shinier is a good thing.

Quote:

*Pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and passes it to greenka61*

Good on you, Browncoat.?

Back at you, Channain. Here's to making TPTB take note of how much more money they could be making....Cheers.

Mmmm. Fresh wine on a school night! Thank you, kindly.

TWO

Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
I think I missed the tag somewhere, right? I'm sure it's me.

Rupert Murdoch is a hideous force. He is a super-typhoon. You can surf the waves he makes when he's on the opposite side of the Pacific, yet you don't want to be on his side. That ain't sarcasm. That's fear. His legs are scrawny. That's sarcasm.

Changing subjects: Is there a copy available of the contract between FOX and Mutant Enemy? Someone who actually signed it should share it. Someone like Joss Whedon? That way, when we pledge our bloodd to HelpNathanBuyFirefly, we won't be buying a pig in a poke. www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/a-pig-in-a-poke.html

Why sacrifice your firstborn to Rupert Murdoch (or FOX, should you not want to personalize a corporation) if the Firefly rights revert back to Mutant Enemy in 2013? That wasn't sarcasm. It's commonsense to know what you're buying.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

CHANNAIN

Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
Everyone got fresh wine but me, may I have strawberry wine? :)

*Pours ver *FRESH* wine and passes the cup*
Good on you Browncoat. Sorry, though, I'm not the wine maker my uncle was.

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CHANNAIN

Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Why sacrifice your firstborn to Rupert Murdoch (or FOX, should you not want to personalize a corporation) if the Firefly rights revert back to Mutant Enemy in 2013? That wasn't sarcasm. It's commonsense to know what you're buying.

What I'm curious about is how do we know that happens automatically?

Every try to by a website domain that someone else has already purchased? When you buy it yourself initially it costs about $160 for the year. If a web domain broker buys a popular name first, they will make you pay at least $2500 if not more to buy it from them.

So do the rights revert back automatically, or is Joss Whedon getting an option to buy them?

Something else I know; a lot of us spent a lot of time hating Fox when Fox really didn't care. You, Two, need to chill it with the Rupert Hate.

Fear is the mind killer. Hate is the soul killer. Hate him and he has power over you. Going against something doesn't mean you have to hate it.

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TWO

Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Why sacrifice your firstborn to Rupert Murdoch (or FOX, should you not want to personalize a corporation) if the Firefly rights revert back to Mutant Enemy in 2013? That wasn't sarcasm. It's commonsense to know what you're buying.
What I'm curious about is how do we know that happens automatically?

Every try to by a website domain that someone else has already purchased? When you buy it yourself initially it costs about $160 for the year. If a web domain broker buys a popular name first, they will make you pay at least $2500 if not more to buy it from them.

So do the rights revert back automatically, or is Joss Whedon getting an option to buy them?

Something else I know; a lot of us spent a lot of time hating Fox when Fox really didn't care. You, Two, need to chill it with the Rupert Hate.

Fear is the mind killer. Hate is the soul killer. Hate him and he has power over you. Going against something doesn't mean you have to hate it.

Fooled you.
For me, "Rupert Murdoch" is playing the same role as a villain on a scripted TV drama. He's no more a real villain to me than "Adelai Niska." The imaginary "Rupert Murdoch" character stands in place for soulless corporation Fox, giving Fox some personality. It is just dull business with Nielsen numbers flowing in, money flowing out. It is a lean, mean, canceling machine that is run separate from another part (name forgotten) of NewsCorp that actually produced Firefly. I'm lumping all the loosely connected pieces of NewsCorp into one fictional name: "Rupert Murdoch."

In real life, Murdoch is both a TV actor and a TV executive. He has a page at the internet movie database listing his voice work on the Simpsons, for heaven's sakes! He played a fictional character who just so happens to be named "Rupert Murdoch." No relation to the real Murdoch or to FOX. www.imdb.com/name/nm0613770/

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

CHANNAIN

Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Fooled you.
For me, "Rupert Murdoch" is playing the same role as a villain on a scripted TV drama.

Huh. Not bad. Turns out you have some skills after all. No sense of respect - really, at all, for the other Browncoats writing in here in earnest truth - but skills.

*Pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and drinks it down*

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THEBASTIDGE

Thursday, February 24, 2011 3:51 PM

There's a company with a structure already in place for doing something like this:

http://declarationentertainment.com/how-it-works

http://declarationentertainment.com/reboot-firefly

Get enough people involved, and it'll work.

CHANNAIN

Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by thebastidge:
There's a company with a structure already in place for doing something like this:

http://declarationentertainment.com/how-it-works

http://declarationentertainment.com/reboot-firefly

Get enough people involved, and it'll work.

*Pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and passes it over*

Good on you, Browncoat.

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TWO

Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:

You are disappointed in me. My blaming the fictional character "Rupert Murdoch" rather than FOX for Firefly's cancellation is not starting a fire in your imagination. Silly me. I really believed it would. I fooled myself.

It follows that the scenario where Nathan insults "Rupert" during negotiations for Firefly rights does not amuse you, either. Therefore, this thread is dead for me. The adults are continuing their weighty discussions. I write no more.

STORYMARK

Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Quote:
Originally posted by two:
Fooled you.
For me, "Rupert Murdoch" is playing the same role as a villain on a scripted TV drama.
Huh. Not bad. Turns out you have some skills after all. No sense of respect - really, at all, for the other Browncoats writing in here in earnest truth - but skills.

*Pours a cup of very *FRESH* wine and drinks it down*

Meet Two...

I've personally come to believe that he/she is rather crazy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

CHANNAIN

Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:04 PM

Quote:
storymark said
I've personally come to believe that he/she is rather crazy.

I don't know about crazy - speaking as someone who is. I'm trying to make a living as a graphic designer in an economy that wants it but doesn't want to pay for it.

Two...? I think the word here is LOONEY.

I'm trying to decide how un-

I am about Two being done with my thread.

yeah, not so much.

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STORYMARK

Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:08 PM

Loony works....

And yes, I'm sure we are all heartbroken over Two's exit from the thread. Things shall never be the same...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."