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M52NICKERSON

Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:12 PM

Just wondering why is Piratenews allowed to post the stuff he does outside of the troll country?

KWICKO

Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:42 PM

Because Haken actually believes in free speech.

As garbage as his stuff is, I'll defend PN's ability to post it. I generally just read until I hit the word "Jew", then I'm out. Usually takes about three or four words to get there.

M52NICKERSON

Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:26 PM

Free speech is good but there should be a place for trolling and BS.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 15, 2011 1:01 AM

Mike is basically righht, and I think that message should get through to him.

Myself, I ignore the word Jew, and all the other gratuitous adjectives. I find his posts to be fairly informative and insightful.

The counter argument I don't really understand. I'm never going to take *anyone's* word as gospel, I'm only *ever* using someone's post as a root to search from* so he whole sources thing also doesnt always make sense, though sometimes it does, like, i'd like to read more, ooint me somewhere.

* I even do this with frem who is quite credible. People who post from mainstream sources I usually end up ignoring because it tends to be stuff i've already read.

I like to read *all* opposing views, even those of nazis, and I'm jewish, and the descendent of holocaust non-survivors. I suspect Mince has a similar, but more mocking, take.

Nick

Think of it this way:

Would you really want a govt. Made entirely of democrats? Wouldn't such a discussion quickly degenate into a brain trust star chamber? Pretty soon, people would be reinforcing their own opinions, appointing themselves haralds of the truth, and no thinking would go on.

Now, take that logic and continue it to its logical extreme. If differing opinions are good, in that they make you think more, extreme differing opinions across an entire spectum are vastly superior, as they make you think even more.

Most lf the world's political systems have a much wider spectrum than ours (problem with a two party system) we need the outside perspectives of the lunatic fringe.

It's basically the same reason why the world community is better off with ahmadinejad than without him.

So, yeah, I'm likely to agree with a minority of what he posts, but the same is true of niki or auraptor. It's that minority that I'm here from. From everyone.

People don't get sent to troll country, only threads.

Everyone has something to contribute.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

TWO

Monday, August 15, 2011 1:09 AM

For those unfamiliar with PirateNews at fireflyfans.net, here is a typical example of PirateNews' commentary www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=49357#856314

So that you can keep track of PirateNews' whereabouts, his profile:
www.fireflyfans.net/profileshow.aspx?u=14676

If you like chugging whiskey directly from the bottle ( and I know some who do ) you can get straight up John Lee, executive producer of Pirate News TV & Radio Show, at www.piratenews.org/index2.html

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M52NICKERSON

Monday, August 15, 2011 1:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike is basically righht, and I think that message should get through to him.

Myself, I ignore the word Jew, and all the other gratuitous adjectives. I find his posts to be fairly informative and insightful.

The counter argument I don't really understand. I'm never going to take *anyone's* word as gospel, I'm only *ever* using someone's post as a root to search from* so he whole sources thing also doesnt always make sense, though sometimes it does, like, i'd like to read more, ooint me somewhere.

* I even do this with frem who is quite credible. People who post from mainstream sources I usually end up ignoring because it tends to be stuff i've already read.

I like to read *all* opposing views, even those of nazis, and I'm jewish, and the descendent of holocaust non-survivors. I suspect Mince has a similar, but more mocking, take.

Nick

Think of it this way:

Would you really want a govt. Made entirely of democrats? Wouldn't such a discussion quickly degenate into a brain trust star chamber? Pretty soon, people would be reinforcing their own opinions, appointing themselves haralds of the truth, and no thinking would go on.

Now, take that logic and continue it to its logical extreme. If differing opinions are good, in that they make you think more, extreme differing opinions across an entire spectum are vastly superior, as they make you think even more.

Most lf the world's political systems have a much wider spectrum than ours (problem with a two party system) we need the outside perspectives of the lunatic fringe.

It's basically the same reason why the world community is better off with ahmadinejad than without him.

So, yeah, I'm likely to agree with a minority of what he posts, but the same is true of niki or auraptor. It's that minority that I'm here from. From everyone.

People don't get sent to troll country, only threads.

Everyone has something to contribute.

I have no problems with other opinions or other sources if they are part of an intelligent discussion. I've not seen that from PN. There are plenty of forums on the net that have very heated and varied discussions without allowing idiotic junk in.

...oh and if you think having a government full of Dems would just become brain trust star chamber you missed the health care debates.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, August 15, 2011 5:17 AM

There are occasions, Nick, albiet rare ones - he's not quite as crazy as he pretends to be, and while I get frustrated with him on many an occasion as well, I too am all for free speech, and view him as kind of our pet papparazi/tabloid vector.
There's also that I've a bit more sympathy cause I know at least in part how he got to be that way.

If dealing with PN is the only price free speech has around here, count thyself very, very lucky, cause I've seen much worse.

-Frem

DREAMTROVE

Monday, August 15, 2011 8:58 AM

Nick

Stick around a wjile, I've learned a thing or two from pirate news.

As to the dem brain trust, yeah, sure, there is a dissenting voice within the party, but it gets squashed. We're having trouble even st the county level trying tommake the dem power groups see reasonl. At the town level, there's some sense of reason, but as you move up, power politics and corporate corruption take over.

The worst threat to our party is this idea that republicans are evil. On the majority of our issues, the overwhelming majority of the people support us, but the partisan hacks are capable of turning everything into a blue on red war, which quickly reduces a 90% mwjority to 50%, whereupon it only twkes a handful of corrupt corporate dems to concede and we lose the issue.

To me, this is an exercise in pure stupidity. I would only add that taking a number of suicide issues also doesn't help. We as a party have a number of positions that the majority of americans are never going to identify, and some that send people running. Sure. The other side does in equal share, but we would do well to at least keep mum about them.

Frem.

Lol. Axtually, some of the worst comes from the more upstanding members in their weaker moments. The psychological need to oppose can bring out the monster within.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

KWICKO

Monday, August 15, 2011 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

There are occasions, Nick, albiet rare ones - he's not quite as crazy as he pretends to be, and while I get frustrated with him on many an occasion as well, I too am all for free speech, and view him as kind of our pet papparazi/tabloid vector.
There's also that I've a bit more sympathy cause I know at least in part how he got to be that way.

If dealing with PN is the only price free speech has around here, count thyself very, very lucky, cause I've seen much worse.

-Frem

^This.

Yes, most of what PN posts is garbage, but as they say, garbage has the right to be garbage.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

BYTEMITE

Monday, August 15, 2011 1:39 PM

Quote:
...oh and if you think having a government full of Dems would just become brain trust star chamber you missed the health care debates.

I think we saw that pretty well. Public disagreement and the horse and pony show is not the same thing as what goes on in private. You want to know what goes on in private, then look at what actually comes out in the content of the bills that are produced. Ever wonder why they always have a few runners for big business that end up screwing the public far more than the few good ideas they pass to help us? There's a reason for that.

No single person on the RWED is a troll because they have reasons they act the way they do and aren't really trying to irritate other people.

We do have a couple of muckrakers, but they'll proudly admit to it, and they're still generally sincere about their beliefs.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Monday, August 15, 2011 2:31 PM

I too will stand up for PN. more than once I have logged on here, intending to comment or start a thread about something in the news, only to find that PN has already started it, with his own loopy twist. Sometimes nobody else has touched that legitimate story. SO ya gotta give him positive credit now and then. Rest of the time, just shake your head and move on, ignoring him.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, August 15, 2011 4:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Just wondering why is Piratenews allowed to post the stuff he does outside of the troll country?

Why not?

"If I have to cross a line to blow that bitch out of the sky, I will."
-FBI Agent Erica Evans, V

STORYMARK

Monday, August 15, 2011 4:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Free speech is good but there should be a place for trolling and BS.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

While I agree that much of what Piratenews posts is BS, I don't think he's trolling. He's not doing it just to piss people off - he really, REALLY believes that stuff.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

DMI

Monday, August 15, 2011 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Just wondering why is Piratenews allowed to post the stuff he does outside of the troll country?

Why not?

For real. He isn't hurting anyone. Let the man speak his peace.

Now a series of semi-relevant quotes:

"Fuck the police." -Public Enemy

"Chip in my head, better off dead." - Feed by M.T. Anderson

"They that would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

"In our time political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible." -Orwell

"To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker. " -Fredrick Douglas

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KIRKULES

Monday, August 15, 2011 11:47 PM

I'm just glad I did'nt miss out on one of the biannual ban Pirate News threads. Some of those who defend him now have wanted him banned in the past so don't feel like you are alone. I've always defend his right to post even though he pisses me off as much as anyone. I think the point that someone made about him believing his own crap is one of the most important reasons his posts have merit. I wish I could say the same about some of the other regulars here.

WHOZIT

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:18 AM

I love www.piratenews.org, it's fun.

TWO

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:10 AM

PirateNews wrote:

Quote:
There is no law requiring payment of income tax, since that law would be unconstitutional. All unconstitutional "laws" are void from inception, according to the US Supreme Court. - http://bit.ly/oXLLT5

There is a 16th Amendment (1913) to the U.S. Constitution legalizing the Federal Income Tax. Does that shakeup PirateNews' beliefs?

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KWICKO

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
I'm just glad I did'nt miss out on one of the biannual ban Pirate News threads. Some of those who defend him now have wanted him banned in the past so don't feel like you are alone. I've always defend his right to post even though he pisses me off as much as anyone. I think the point that someone made about him believing his own crap is one of the most important reasons his posts have merit. I wish I could say the same about some of the other regulars here.

I can't remember any of those who've defended PN here ever supporting any ban of him at all. Certainly I haven't. My support of free speech is universal; after all, if such a right doesn't apply to all, it applies to none.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:43 AM

I agree, as obnoxious as some, many, of his posts are he should have the right to post them if he wants to. I just ignore most of them, click and read some and then move along, but sometimes he does post things that have some validity, ... sometimes. I'm sorry that he does believe all those scary things, I wouldn't want to be in that situation. I'm happy when he posts things about drag racing and stuff because its stuff that he likes instead of stuff that is unpleasant for him to believe, so I like seeing that he has some hobbies that he enjoys, outer space stuff, animal stories etc.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

SIMONWHO

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Everyone has something to contribute.

And in PirateNews's case, it should be silence.

/Rimmer

There is no such thing as totally free speech. You're not allowed to shout fire in a crowded theatre, there are laws against slander and libel plus endless copyright restrictions. But the simplest reason why people like PirateNews should be banned is they're pure poison to a place like this. When every other thread is started by someone like him, with titles that are racist, homophobic, anti-semitic or all three, anyone who is a new Firefly fan will come here, see those threads and think "What a bunch of assholes" and leave, never to be seen again.

However, it's entirely Haken's choice - this is his site, his rules, his decision.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:

But the simplest reason why people like PirateNews should be banned is they're pure poison to a place like this. When every other thread is started by someone like him, with titles that are racist, homophobic, anti-semitic...

I'm a bad person because I don't want to murder millions of heterosexual Semites and 100s of millions of Christians in USA?

Maybe I'm a littled bit angry that I was tricked into murdering 40 women and children as they slept in their beds in Libya, "justified" by a false-flag covert radio broadcast by Israeli Mossad in Libya?
www.piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

Quote:
"I have to admit that my news is pirate news, I'll still come here for one reason: It's just more informative and more efficient to keep up with what's going on in the world by coming here than it is by reading the news."
-DREAMTROVE jew

"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (homosexual Arab Semite from Lebannon), C-SPAN, 2003

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
www.khazaria.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Ashkenazim.html
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=35105

"It's a trick we always use it. When in Europe somebody cricize Israel then we bring out the Holocaust. When in this country somebody criticize Israel then they are anti-Semitic. The organization is strong and has a lot of money, and ties between Israel and the Jewish establishment is very powerful in this country. And that justify everything we do to the Palestinians."
-Shulamit Aloni, jewish minister of Israel, talking to lesbian jew Amy Goodman on Democracy Now
youtube.com/watch?v=j-Caq0h_Wds

"Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate. Israel has fucked up United States foreign policy for years. [Jew Adolf] Hitler [Shicklegruber Rothschild] is an easy scapegoat throughout history and it's been used cheaply. Hitler was a Frankenstein -- there was also a [jewish] Dr Frankenstein. We're going to educate our minds and liberalize them and broaden them. We want to move beyond opinions. Go into the funding of the Nazi party. How many [jewish] American corporations were involved, from GM through IBM. [jew] Hitler is just a man who could have easily been assassinated.”
-Jew Oliver Stone, Hollywood director
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Review/article352668.ece

The Secret History of the United States: Jew Oliver Stone says jew banksters aided jew Adolf Hitler, Stone's JFK forced Congress to declassify Operation Northwoods signed by jewish General Lyman Lemnitzer
www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jaefUfWXwMYP_e7B
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“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse. This will assist in realization of our plans. I have an excellent idea -- I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends.”
-Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897

"We have a case of the Jew, a totally different species. The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul A non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness."
-Rabbi Mendel Schneerson, Lubavitcher friend of George Bush Sr

"The Law of Return is Israeli legislation, enacted in 1950, that gives Jews, those of Jewish ancestry, and their spouses the right to migrate to and settle in Israel and gain citizenship. The law gives the right of return to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having

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RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:28 AM

You behave so yuckily PN, is yuckily a word? But you do. If you kept that stuff in the RWED forum then people who aren't prepared for running into it wouldn't have to see it, because it freaks most people out because it just sounds yucky.

Simonwho, I understand what you mean about how much of a turnoff it is to see _that all over the place. I wish PN would just post that stuff in RWED so it wouldn't piss off new folk. Then if they wanted to they could venture into RWED (not as bad as it looks people, I'm still alive in there) and read what they liked. But I get your point about not posting trashy stories with trashy titles in the TalkStory section. But Haken gets to decide.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
I'm a bad person because I don't want to murder millions of heterosexual Semites and 100s of millions of Christians in USA?

No, you're a bad person because you think that the Jews do and you spam this message board that has no connection to that topic whatsoever with endless threads, filled with racism, homophobia and anti-semitism.

To be honest, I don't think you're a "bad person". You're just a pain. And no, not the good sort, not a fearless crusader who overcomes the hatred and indifference of a heartless world. Just a pain.

M52NICKERSON

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
No, you're a bad person because you think that the Jews do and you spam this message board that has no connection to that topic whatsoever with endless threads, filled with racism, homophobia and anti-semitism.

To be honest, I don't think you're a "bad person". You're just a pain. And no, not the good sort, not a fearless crusader who overcomes the hatred and indifference of a heartless world. Just a pain.

...and that is why I think he should not be allowed to post the way he does outside troll country. It is not so much what he is saying, but how, and how often he is saying it. Spam really is the key word.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 7:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

...and that is why I think he should not be allowed to post the way he does outside troll country. It is not so much what he is saying, but how, and how often he is saying it. Spam really is the key word.

And your fanfic needs a proofreader.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 7:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:

Simonwho, I understand what you mean about how much of a turnoff it is to see _that all over the place. I wish PN would just post that stuff in RWED so it wouldn't piss off new folk. Then if they wanted to they could venture into RWED (not as bad as it looks people, I'm still alive in there) and read what they liked. But I get your point about not posting trashy stories with trashy titles in the TalkStory section. But Haken gets to decide.

Did I post this thread in RWED?

Did I post this thread?

Do facts matter?

As for trashy stories, have you read M52NICKERSON's fanfic, measuring the size of Serenity's penises? (actually funny)
http://fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=46203

M52NICKERSON

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
And your fanfic needs a proofreader. ]

Yes it does, are offering to do it?

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

Did I post this thread in RWED?

Did I post this thread?

Do facts matter?

As for trashy stories, have you read M52NICKERSON's fanfic, measuring the size of Serenity's penises? (actually funny)
http://fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=46203

...any publicity is good. So thanks!

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BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:41 PM

Maybe not a crusader, but he does have gulf war syndrome. In that condition, I'm not sure we can any of us really hold him accountable for what he says.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:43 PM

Aw, that's no fair getting personal. I keep stories off limits in an argument.

I was unnecessarily harsh in the comments there. ._.

Also, everyone knows I have the trashiest fics on here. They're full of awful romance fluff and garbage.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:17 PM

Quote:
DREAMTROVE jew

Lol. I feel honored. Now I want to be a knight of the british empire

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

M52NICKERSON

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Aw, that's no fair getting personal. I keep stories off limits in an argument.

I was unnecessarily harsh in the comments there. ._.

Also, everyone knows I have the trashiest fics on here. They're full of awful romance fluff and garbage.

It did not think you were harsh at all. I think it was honest feed back, which I appreciate.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:37 PM

I'm kind of a prude. ^_^' You'll see every now and then I'll be reading some fanfic and chatting with the author, and then they'll post something that's M or NC-17, and I won't comment on that chapter, but return to commenting on the next one.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:21 AM

Interesting that, the idea of bringing people's fanfic into other discussions, I've never seen it happen and I'm surprised now that I think on it, that its never happened before. When I said trashy stories I didn't mean fanfic, I meant the articles that PN sometimes posts that have trashy and hideous titles that make people say ew. But maybe he writes trashy fanfic too, I don't know since I don't read it here, one day a week of reading and reviewing on fanfiction.net is all I have time for when it comes to fanfic, though I've had people asking me to come read here and review. I just don't have time.

I just want everyone, including PN, to feel safe, content and fulfilled in their lives, touchy feely I know but I can't help it, its how I feel. I know PN doesn't really feel those things currently, because people who do don't post mean old stuff like those bizarro articles, unless he just posts them to be a snot and doesn't actually believe all the paranoia in them, which is possible too. But maybe someday he'll get there. At any rate I'm glad he likes outer space articles, keeping up on current events and animal stories and racing, those are cool things.

Oh, and on fanfic.net I don't venture into the M section so if someone has an M fic they want me to read they have to ask me specifically and I'll consider it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
And your fanfic needs a proofreader.

Yes it does, are offering to do it?

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

As for trashy stories, have you read M52NICKERSON's fanfic, measuring the size of Serenity's penises? (actually funny)
http://fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=46203

...any publicity is good. So thanks

Pretty good fanfic. Sex does seem to be popular on this forum for some unknown reason.

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Quote:
DREAMTROVE jew

Lol. I feel honored. Now I want to be a knight of the british empire

I dont have anything against jews. They gave me 2 awards in Hollywood.

It's the one who want to be top of the food chain I have a problem with.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:10 PM

Quote:
Oh, and on fanfic.net I don't venture into the M section so if someone has an M fic they want me to read they have to ask me specifically and I'll consider it.

Mine is not M, much closer to PG-13.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:53 PM

Yeah, I know, but it tripped the prude anyway. So objectivity became o.o *rant*

Normally I'm better at reigning it in than that, sorry about that.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah, I know, but it tripped the prude anyway. So objectivity became o.o *rant*

Normally I'm better at reigning it in than that, sorry about that.

Just stop, I already told you, you don't have to apologize. It takes quite a lot to offend me.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

STORYMARK

Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Everyone has something to contribute.

And in PirateNews's case, it should be silence.

/Rimmer

There is no such thing as totally free speech. You're not allowed to shout fire in a crowded theatre, there are laws against slander and libel plus endless copyright restrictions. But the simplest reason why people like PirateNews should be banned is they're pure poison to a place like this. When every other thread is started by someone like him, with titles that are racist, homophobic, anti-semitic or all three, anyone who is a new Firefly fan will come here, see those threads and think "What a bunch of assholes" and leave, never to be seen again.

However, it's entirely Haken's choice - this is his site, his rules, his decision.

True, not ALL speech is protected by Free Speech -

But everything PN has posted is. Being an asshole is not illegal.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

SIMONWHO

Friday, August 19, 2011 9:03 AM

Illegal? Probably not (though I would have thought he could be done for slander).

But FFF.net is a private internet forum run by an individual who can set any standards he chooses. PirateNews has no entitlement to post here, it's simply at Haken's allowance that he can do so. The slight catch is the way he posts, the amount he posts and what he posts has actively contributed to killing the forum.

Which makes me a bit sad.

KWICKO

Friday, August 19, 2011 11:45 AM

I'm sorry, but I get a little leery whenever I hear someone claim that this user or that is "killing this forum".

If there's anything that's killing this forum, it's probably down to the fact that it's a forum dedicated to a half-season show that was cancelled nearly a decade ago.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

DREAMTROVE

Friday, August 19, 2011 12:37 PM

John

Maybe you should find another moniker for your enemies then. Lots of those top dogs are not jewish.

Sanger was not jewish, neither was Stokes. In fact no one in their community or conspiracy was jewish. They were lead by a white supremacist agenda, started by non-jew Galton.

Cheney isn't Jewish, neither is T Boone Pickens, nor anyone in the whole oil elite trying to rape the environment that I have so far run into.

Sure, when I dig in to the Iraq war, I find lots of jews in the panning, and this is true in a lot of the middle eastern affairs, and a lot of the globalist ones, but the more it becomes just generally globalist, the more jews are just one group.

Problem being that a parasitic conspiracy is a simple organizational structure that anyone can come up with. So, sure, there is an ultra-zionist conspiracy that wants to use others to forward their goals, but it would be a classical logical fallacy to say "ergo, any parasitic conspiracy is therefore jewish." furthermore, it's pretty easy to prove such an assumption false: the Poshteca of the Nahuatl could fit that category as could the Huari priesthood of the Quechua yet you can be very sure that neither one were jewish. So, if it occured to societies who never met jews, it probably occurs to ones that have met jews but are not jews.

As for knights of the british empire, Bob Geldoff is a knight of the british empire. It's an award. You may not care for the issuers. I myself have little respect for the nobel committee, but that doesn't mean that I denigrate its recipients.

Molech might be worshipped by some sick cult today, I don't know, but in ancient hebrew it's just a word meaning king, written as MLK. Various tribes would have used it to refer to other tribes gods as LMLK, meaning "their king" or MLKM meaning "to the king" or "offering" or "sacrifice." See how logically this all makes a certain amount of sense? But the "god" of ancient Israel is a posthumous myth, there were many gods. There were some monotheists, sure, but the god of the zealots of ancient zion was refered to as YHWH for "I am" which was short for "I am he whose name cannot be spoken" which was largely a monotheistic trick, to use a placeholder to prevent the relative discussions of different gods. Their god was most likely Sin, the god of Mt. Sinai, since that was where the tribe had come from, and had many of the same tropes. However, it was not a total domination. After all, the country is called Israel, to serve el, not Israsin. Also, elements of Ba'al enter into the concept of god even in the christian faith, such as the vestal virgins the keepers of e flame, straight out of Ba'al, in spite of his incorporation into the name beelzebub, originally's Ba'al's king Zebub,

As for MKULTRA, interesting stuff, and you could say that a situation like Lindsay Lohan's, or Janis Joplin, Amy Winehouse, are a form of control, and that these companies give free samples to their "stars" as a means of manipulation.

This is where your enemies cross over into Frem's. He has a list of enemies, as do I, but it pays to refine said list.

The elders of zion, should they exist, are just going to use you to discredit your otherwise sound arguments because people already reject anti-semitism, largely as a result of WWII.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

SIMONWHO

Monday, August 22, 2011 3:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sorry, but I get a little leery whenever I hear someone claim that this user or that is "killing this forum".

If there's anything that's killing this forum, it's probably down to the fact that it's a forum dedicated to a half-season show that was cancelled nearly a decade ago.

That's a big reason, yes. But there's plenty of forums that continue onwards merrily for decades - for example, Star Wars has plenty of busy forums, despite only having three movies and three travesties. The point is that the forum is something more than just the TV show/movie/book that inspired it. When someone is shouting so loudly something so abhorrent and is tolerated, that tells normal people to avoid this place like the plague.

KWICKO

Monday, August 22, 2011 4:26 PM

DT, I think the concept you're trying to explain to PN is summed up in the Latin, post hoc, ergo procter hoc ("After the fact, therefore because of the fact").

The idea that there are Jews involved in some conspiracies doesn't mean that the conspiracies were enacted BECAUSE some participants were Jewish, any more than it means that they were enacted because of white people, or Muslims, or blacks, or any other single group.

And that is the part that PN will never understand. For him, if any Jew does anything bad, it's because all Jews are evil. If, however, a Jew does something GOOD, it's because he betrayed his people and acted against Jewish orders.

And that is the depth of PN's craziness.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
DT, I think the concept you're trying to explain to PN is summed up in the Latin, post hoc, ergo procter hoc ("After the fact, therefore because of the fact").

The idea that there are Jews involved in some conspiracies doesn't mean that the conspiracies were enacted BECAUSE some participants were Jewish, any more than it means that they were enacted because of white people, or Muslims, or blacks, or any other single group.

And that is the part that PN will never understand. For him, if any Jew does anything bad, it's because all Jews are evil. If, however, a Jew does something GOOD, it's because he betrayed his people and acted against Jewish orders.

And that is the depth of PN's craziness.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

That's a pretty good analysis.

It could be argued whether or not it's because of their jewishness on the same level as terrorism because of islam.

Most jews are born into a belief system which doesn't greatly affect their lives. Some go wonky to the extreme, and judaism has some values of us and them in it that picture jews as ruling class over the goyim, and that does manifest in the lunatic jewish fringe, just as the lunatic muslim fringe manifests terrorism and the lunatic christian fringe becomes a crusade.

What I think really gets PN is the level of dominance in our economic system that the joos hold. There's something to this, because it's basically their economic system: Our capitalism system started out in ancient egypt, but that society and culture no longer exists; then it was inherited by the jews, who added some concepts to it, like credit/interest lending, and then inherited by Rome, which added some concepts to it, like the corporation.

The nature of capitalism is that it benefits the first in. This is in the root of capitalism: "Capital." The nature of persistent capital benefits those who inherit over those who enact labor, and the fiat currency system *(which is, ironically, greek) is necessary, along with our taxation system, which is pretty much roman, to maintain economic dominance.

At any rate, the jews are the eldest surviving culture in the system, so it benefits them, followed by rome, and its economic successor states, the RCC and great britain (arguably latin america is the successor state to Spain, but it didn't inherit the gold, though it did inherit the land based wealth, and is probably a future dominant power in capitalism.) The US is a successor state to the british empire, as is India, China is to some degree because it is the british colonial portions that are really dominating capitalism, not the soviet-communist portions. China is the obvious successor state to the USSR, ergo, the whole european socialist revolution.

When it all falls apart is when everything has to be tied together into a giant conspiracy. There are Merchants of Death in Judaism, but there are also MoD in random african tribes, or Cambodia, etc. It's an evolution of genocide, where you just try to kill the other by every conniving trick in the book. The eugenicists, if you trace them back to their roots, contain not a single jew. This is not because they were secret jews, but because they weren't jews at all. That's part of why they killed the jews, the jews were other.

But the crazies were already crazy, and their jewishness or muslimness or christianity only helped direct the manifestation of that insanity.

In PN land, killing the jews was a promotional poster for Israel. Problem/Crisis/Solution. You create Israel, no one wants to go because life is better in europe, so you make a purge against the jews.

That idea works, just not from a jewish perspective. Jews value the life of jews, sometimes to an extreme degree. Israel can't conquer palestine in part because they're willing to sacrifice zero jews to do it, and the palestinians are willi

M52NICKERSON

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:52 PM

One thing this forum does need is to be reminded that.....

"brevity is the soul of wit" ~Shakespeare

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

TWO

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:34 PM

Quote:
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

http://badseedshalo.deviantart.com/art/Shepherd-Book-254383758

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:42 AM

Happy 10th Anniversary of the Republicon/Demorat/Mossad/MI6 Coalition of the Willing Traitors.

Hollywood winner as seen on History Channel and Asahi TV in Japan
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5095012753871278980&hl=en
http://September911Surprise.PirateNews.org
www.September911Surprise.com (banned by webmaster jews at Alex Jones' Infowars.net)

"The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation."
-Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat summer school."
-Buffy Summers

"Half of writing history is hiding the Truth."
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds, Serenity
https://video.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/716.shtml

AURAPTOR

Friday, December 23, 2011 12:28 AM

Free speech does not mean garbage has to be allowed here. It just means the govt can't censor speech, and keeping the bs that PN posts to a reasonable level is NOT a violation of free speech. Dude has his own gig to get his views out. I for one could care less

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Friday, December 23, 2011 1:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Free speech does not mean garbage has to be allowed here. It just means the govt can't censor speech, and keeping the bs that PN posts to a reasonable level is NOT a violation of free speech. Dude has his own gig to get his views out. I for one could care less

Readily agree with most of that, but I'm still glad Haken has seen his way clear to allow whatever. I've seen so many boards start in with the "watch your language" BS, followed by profanity filters, then "warnings" and "demerits", followed by suspensions and outright bans - and it pretty much always comes down to one poster's politics not properly aligning with the moderator's. I'd hate to see that happen here, to anyone.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

DREAMTROVE

Friday, December 23, 2011 1:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Free speech does not mean garbage has to be allowed here. It just means the govt can't censor speech, and keeping the bs that PN posts to a reasonable level is NOT a violation of free speech. Dude has his own gig to get his views out. I for one could care less

So you do care.

But why the necropost?

I necroposted a thread and addressed it to you because you sent me a PM in response to that thread which I didn't get until the other day. One of two responses I'm waiting for from you.

One is on your analysis of freedom of information and self determination on Iran vis a vis nuclear tech
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=49436

And the other is on foreign and international companies waging campaigns of attrition against the united states in the name of industry but which may be devoid of actual industrial value and perhaps represent a form of stealth terrorism.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=49436

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts on both these matters.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

PIRATENEWS

Friday, December 23, 2011 2:41 PM

"Don't tell me what to fuckin goddamn do...MY ship!"
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds, Serenity DVD

WHOZIT

Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 PM

The reason I stopped going to the Real World section is because some people were changing the titles to my brilliant threads, if PN gets tossed from this site beacuse of some petition (I don't agree him all the time either) I'm gone too. I know I won't be missed but Browncoats stick together.

KWICKO

Friday, December 23, 2011 5:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The reason I stopped going to the Real World section is because some people were changing the titles to my brilliant threads, if PN gets tossed from this site beacuse of some petition (I don't agree him all the time either) I'm gone too. I know I won't be missed but Browncoats stick together.

Well, the thread title changes have been stopped, but I actually agree with you about the PN part. He's crazy. He's plumb out of his mind bat-shit crazy. But he's OUR kinda crazy.

I believe it was Frem who put it so succinctly: PN is the price we pay for freedom of speech. And that's a very small price to pay, you ask me.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

WHOZIT

Friday, December 23, 2011 6:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The reason I stopped going to the Real World section is because some people were changing the titles to my brilliant threads, if PN gets tossed from this site beacuse of some petition (I don't agree him all the time either) I'm gone too. I know I won't be missed but Browncoats stick together.

Well, the thread title changes have been stopped, but I actually agree with you about the PN part. He's crazy. He's plumb out of his mind bat-shit crazy. But he's OUR kinda crazy.

I believe it was Frem who put it so succinctly: PN is the price we pay for freedom of speech. And that's a very small price to pay, you ask me.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

I'm feeling the love here, you feeling it too?

KWICKO

Friday, December 23, 2011 7:43 PM

Hey, man, like I said about PN - you might be annoying and a zit, Zit, but you're OUR Zit, and nobody better mess with one of our zits!

WHOZIT

Friday, December 23, 2011 10:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, man, like I said about PN - you might be annoying and a zit, Zit, but your OUR Zit, and nobody better mess with one of our zits![/QUOTE

HA!

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MACBAKER

Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

If there's anything that's killing this forum, it's probably down to the fact that it's a forum dedicated to a half-season show that was cancelled nearly a decade ago.

Hardly!

One, you seem to forget this half-season show, also spawned a motion picture and several top selling graphic novels/comics.

Two, there are other forums similar to this in size and activity that are dedicated to movies or movie franchises that have far fewer hours of entertainment than a half-season of television and a movie do!

Three, this forum clearly goes well beyond just covering Firefly! Many fans here seem to follow any show or movie that has members of the Firefly cast in them. Nathan in Drive and Castle. Adam in Chuck. Jewell in Stargate: Atlantis. Morena in V and Homeland! Summer in Terminator: TSSC, The Unit, Dollhouse, and The Cape. Even the badly panned Playboy Club got attention here, just because Sean Maher was in it!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, December 26, 2011 7:27 AM

In reply to the original (completely legitimate question of a ) post, I will try not ramble on too much about freedom of speech, because it looks like it's already been covered.

Sure, I could say that it's clear that at no point in his life did PN read How to Win Friends and Influence People, but would I be if I made a 100% sure remark that this was the truth when using the book to make a point?

A BIG H-to-the-Y-to-the-P-ocrite, that's what.

I may be wrong about this since I've been out of the scene for a very long time, but whenever I was hanging in the dark annals of the RWED on a regular basis back in the day it seemed that none of PN's responses to any replies to his original posts were any more inflammatory than his original posts. That is to say, although his blanket stereotypical comments still persisted in the replies, he never sunk to levels that many of us (myself definitely included) have done.

To further elaborate, I know on more than one occasion while posting in the RWED I would let an argument get so heated and personal in here that I would resort to personal attacks (however blatant or passive aggressive they may have been varied, based on nothing more than my own personal shit I was dealing with that day and just how big it made my bark and/or bite).

Seems to me that PN never did that. He believes in something with all of his heart, no matter how wrong or misguided anybody else believes his thoughts to be. When, oftentimes understandably, confronted with emotional responses, he just replied with a rephrasing of his original offensive post or a rehashing of an old offensive post or a "new" idea which was a sort of "Frankenstein Monster" hodgepodge of many of his old offensive original posts.

As for the readers of his posts.... Whether the posts are in Troll County or not, the "Troll" rule always applies.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

That's not to say I think PN is a troll personally, but if you do and you reply to him then you're just feeding into his intentions and validating his own existence here in his own mind and any of the truly like-minded folk.

Personally, I view PN's posts (and incidentally how you may choose to handle your own response to them in the future) like this.......

There was a day where I "loved" rap music. Though I may have enjoyed it a bit because of everything awesome going on in my life otherwise while being an 20-something making a good buck more than most of my friends, I didn't really love it. But.... I had the big boom boom speakers in my trunk like a lot of my friends did and listened to it while we all got high and drunk and partied with a bunch of girls with low self esteem that had just about as much ambition to get out of our hole as we did.

One day, thankfully, I "woke up"..... Many of my old friends today are either dead or in jail, and most of those in jail will just go back in when they get out again. There are only a few of us who have done more than survive that downward spiral over the years that I even choose to communicate with today. I don't blame rap music at all for that behavior on all of our parts, but, just like any guy wearing a baseball cap backwards (or especially to the side) after he's 16 years old, the rap music about pimping ho's and dealing drugs has no place in the life of a 32 year old white male who actually has things to look forward to in his own life.

Long story long.....

107.9 on my radio dial ain't going anywhere. It's always there if I want to go back to it and listen to it one night just in the hopes to see if there is anything worthwhile that's new in the Pop Rap Scene, but I know that those chances are very slim and I rarely, if ever, even waste my time.

And just like quite a few of Tupac's and NWA's and Tribe's jams still reside on my iPod knockoff for the occasional listen, I do believe that there are some worthwhile things that PN says if you have the patience, free time, and even the slightest desire to sift through all of the ignorant and offensive BS.

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:08 AM

Four months later PN's posts continue to disgust me and make me sad in turns, depending on their content and how its worded. Poor creature. If I knew how much of it was his brain malfunctioning and how much was him being mean and nasty for sport it would help me know how to procede, but since I don't know which portion is greater or which portion is playing the greater role in each post its hard to know what to do except to respond when he posts something that pertains to me and ignore the rest, like I would with any poster, when I say ignore I mean not respond.

But yeah, his posts are the price we pay to be free here on the boards and I guess I'm willing to pay it if it means we can all say whatever we want and be free.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I for one could care less

So... you DO care?
I'm confused. Did you mean that you couldn't care less? That would mean that you care so little (like, not at all) that you could not possibly care less than you do now. If you say you COULD care less, it means you care to SOME degree, because it's possible for you to care less than you presently do.

Just an FYI.

The laughing Chrisisall

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
Four months later PN's posts continue to disgust me and make me sad in turns, depending on their content and how its worded. Poor creature. If I knew how much of it was his brain malfunctioning and how much was him being mean and nasty for sport it would help me know how to procede, but since I don't know which portion is greater or which portion is playing the greater role in each post its hard to know what to do except to respond when he posts something that pertains to me and ignore the rest, like I would with any poster, when I say ignore I mean not respond.

But yeah, his posts are the price we pay to be free here on the boards and I guess I'm willing to pay it if it means we can all say whatever we want and be free.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

Yep RionaEire... that last thought about sums it up.

I've never posted on another board anywhere that gave you the freedom to post almost damn near anything that was on your mind short of child pornography or a home made recipe for Crystal Meth.

The second you see the top poster of an thread and it's PN, you could just click that back button. Even if you're not quick on the trigger I think by now it should be easy to spot a PN post a mile away just from the title. Assuming he doesn't go by any other name, it seems to me to be quite easy to avoid any of his topics of conversation just by ignoring the posts altogether. I'm sure he posts his replies in threads that aren't his own, but you could just ignore them too.

Love it or hate it, I rate PN's freedom to post here just as much as I put the American business owners freedom to allow or disallow smoking in their establishments. In a perfect world, there would be no federal/state/county/city laws against smoking in restaurants or bars. That decision would be left up to the owner, and supply and demand would even it all out.

Surely, by now, what with the fact that only 25% of us smoke in this country, there could be tons of money to be made in states that still allow smoking if you were to open up a new bar and make it a non-smoking bar right next to a log established bar that allowed smoking.

Hell.... given the fact that I'm a hard core smoker and an advocate of the benefits (not being drugged up on man-made pharmaceuticals for life to cope with the world's BS being one of them), I've thought heavily about the idea of opening up a non-smoking bar in my town. Until the day that my state banned smoking in bars out-right, that gimmick alone could net me 10 times what I paid to open the joint and operating costs.

With the smoking/non-smoking stats we're told, if there were no laws to outright ban smoking, given time, 1 out of every 4 bars and restaurants in America would be non-smoking bars and the people who "are forced" to work as a bartender or waitress because of a lack of any marketable skill would have plenty of places to work if they were terrified of getting cancer from second hand smoke.

On that issue, (and many others) I really don't see what the problem is, and why it has to be an all or nothing thing like it seems to be.

I say, let PN talk his allegedly corrupted little brain out here. At the very least, it gives him a much needed way of venting out his frustrations with the way the world is going today. He'd probably be a lot scarier of a person if he didn't have FFF.net or PrisonPlanet to speak his piece on.

His posting here is like a small gas leak on a defective main that would blow up if it didn't have place to steadily decompress. So long as there is no fire in the vicinity (In this case, people who will blow up at his insanity and feed the fire), then no-harm no-foul.

I'd much rather see somebody like-minded with PN posting inflammatory stuff here than I would like reading about a serial killer in the news that was taking out all of the Hollywood Jews in order of Adam Sandler's Hanuka songs.

Be the bigger man/woman... and if yo

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:57 AM

Anyone see this guy? He ran a radio or blog? Used to post all kinds of 911, Reptile UFO stuff? I think he would maybe post on other blogs, alex jones website or davidicke.com ... probably a redneck White guy, TN, maybe ex militray liked to ride bikes?

Every once in a while I think he's back online but I have not seen him in yrs

His last posts were like, KNOXVILLE TENNESSEE -- Pirate News WINS in court, back on TV! CTV Board of Knox County puts Pirate News back on TV, illegal CTV producer contracts will be re-written to comply with the constitutions and law. Full video will be posted. PNTV producer John Lee represented himself pro se, after ACLU turned down the case. Pirate News TV had been "banned forever" for broadcasting Obama Coronation, with included Episode 1 of NeoCons Gone Wild. Revealed for the first time is CTV's $850,000 tax-free annual grant from the taxslaves of Knox County... where does all that money go?

Banned at PrisonPlanet forum ?

http://www.neoconsgonewild.com

was he banned from writing or did he go to jail?

National radio host Jack Blood was fired by GCN network for merely taking advertising from NeoCons Gone Wild.
http://americanfreedomradio.com

Reporters Committee on Freedom of the Press reports on the ban of Pirate News TV
http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php?i=10945

Pirate News TV

I notice he gave Jill Stein lots of coverage