Republicans sick of Trayvon Martin coverage

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NIKI2

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:18 PM

Gee, what a surprise!

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While the story behind Trayvon Martin's shooting death continues to grab headlines, interest in the case is sharply divided along partisan and racial lines, according to a new study by Pew Research Center.

Far more Republicans (56%) than Democrats (25%) say there has been too much coverage of Martin's death, according to Pew, which surveyed a "nationally representative sample of 1,000 adults" last Thursday through Sunday about top new stories. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
?hpt=hp_t3

Of course, the MSM has already moved on to more current issues already, as usual, and this will no doubt be quicky forgotten. Until the next time.

STORYMARK

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:32 PM

I agree to an extent. The media has basically tried the case on their own, even with constantly shifting facts.

I certainly think there's something fishy about the case, and that there should be a triel - but in an actual court. The media is just milking it for ratings, not doing anything positive about it.

Spoon!

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:41 PM

I think someone asked about it before, but Story, what the heck is the constant "spoon" thing about?

STORYMARK

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:44 PM

'Tis the battle cry of Jaynestown writer Ben Edlund's The Tick!

Spoon!

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:05 PM

No. Everyone is sick off it.

http://www.commongunsense.com/2012/03/country-tired-of-george-zimmerma
n.html

Oh wait, did you mean people are tired of hearing that Zimmerman is the bad guy? You betcha.

What is going to happen when Z gets cleared (if)? Retractions by them that sought to crucify him?

lol

No, it'll be just left on the side of the road. Like usual.

Until the next "tragedy" of course. Then the mob (your crew) will grab their pitchforks, and torches, and set to the "good works" you so believe you are about.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

STORYMARK

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

What is going to happen when Z gets cleared (if)? Retractions by them that sought to crucify him?

And what happens if he turns out to be a bigoted and trigger happy as you?

Spoon!

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:55 PM

Oprah's launching a new cable network called TMD. The 24-hour Trayvon Martin Death channel will be hosted by visiting celebs including Malik Shabazz, Jeremiah Wright, Todd Bridges, Stymie, and others. Al Sharpton will be interviewing Dred Scott on whether it is legal to drink iced tea out of a can.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:59 PM

Yeah, we're sick of the lies, the spin and the race baiting by the media, the clowns like Sharpton, and even Democrats , who have blatantly misrepresented the facts and intentionally tried to stir up division and hatred, instead of simply letting the process take its course.

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Oprah's launching a new cable network called TMD. The 24-hour Trayvon Martin Death channel will be hosted by visiting celebs including Malik Shabazz, Jeremiah Wright, Todd Bridges, Stymie, and others. Al Sharpton will be interviewing Dred Scott on whether it is legal to drink iced tea out of a can.

( I keep forgetting that Todd Bridges is the only kid from Different Strokes who is still alive. )

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yeah, we're sick of the lies,

Such as?

*Note to everyone*: Anthony is spot-on. Pay no heed to Rappy's pleas for pity.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yeah, we're sick of the lies,

Such as?

Zimmerman is white. He isn't.

Trayvon was shot in the back of the head, execution style. He wasn't.

Zimmerman suffered zero injuries.

Trayvon, as pictured, isn't a 12 yr old, but was in fact 17 years old, stood 6 ft tall, and was hardly a 'skinny kid'.

Which runs into another LIE told by the media. Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 100 ( I think Niki said 130 lbs ? ). False. There was 30-40 lbs difference. 50, tops. Far from the hulking brute , picking on the mild mannered, fresh faced kid as the media tried to portray.

Want more ? Or does that draw you a clear enough picture?

( as if I really need to ask )

* Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Oprah's launching a new cable network called TMD. The 24-hour Trayvon Martin Death channel will be hosted by visiting celebs including Malik Shabazz, Jeremiah Wright, Todd Bridges, Stymie, and others. Al Sharpton will be interviewing Dred Scott on whether it is legal to drink iced tea out of a can.

Gotta love stuff like this coming from those who claim race has nothing to do with it.

Hell, Jongsie, why didn't you mention watermelon and fried chicken while you were running down your list of stereotypes?

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yeah, we're sick of the lies,

Such as?

Zimmerman is white. He isn't.

Trayvon was shot in the back of the head, execution style. He wasn't.

Zimmerman suffered zero injuries.

Trayvon, as pictured, isn't a 12 yr old, but was in fact 17 years old, stood 6 ft tall, and was hardly a 'skinny kid'.

Which runs into another LIE told by the media. Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 100 ( I think Niki said 130 lbs ? ). False. There was 30-40 lbs difference. 50, tops. Far from the hulking brute , picking on the mild mannered, fresh faced kid as the media tried to portray.

Want more ? Or does that draw you a clear enough picture?

( as if I really need to ask )

* Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

Boy, for someone who hates it when others bring up "lies" and "lying", you don't seem to have a problem accusing "the Left" of exactly that.

Let me guess: If FauxNews said Zimmerman was white, they "misspoke", right?

WHOZIT

Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:21 PM

Soon the MSM will be sick of it, the election is coming and they have to get to Republican bashing. You libs will get sick of it when you discover you can't link Conservatives to the murder, then you'll dump Trayvon's parents like a bad habit.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Boy, for someone who hates it when others bring up "lies" and "lying", you don't seem to have a problem accusing "the Left" of exactly that.

Let me guess: If FauxNews said Zimmerman was white, they "misspoke", right?

Oh, and I forgot to add the NBC edited 9-1-1 call, by Zimmerman. He was asked what the suspect looked like " white, black or hispanic " , and he replied " He looks black ". Only NBC altered the audio, as the Left often does, and completely changed the context of the conversation.

If FOX ( never heard of 'fauxNews', sorry ) News reported that Zimmerman was 'white', then it shows they're as bad as the rest of the media, and no where near as 'right-wing' as the Left would have us believe.

* Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yeah, we're sick of the lies,

Such as?

Zimmerman is white. He isn't.

Trayvon was shot in the back of the head, execution style. He wasn't.

Zimmerman suffered zero injuries.

Trayvon, as pictured, isn't a 12 yr old, but was in fact 17 years old, stood 6 ft tall, and was hardly a 'skinny kid'.

Which runs into another LIE told by the media. Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 100 ( I think Niki said 130 lbs ? ). False. There was 30-40 lbs difference. 50, tops. Far from the hulking brute , picking on the mild mannered, fresh faced kid as the media tried to portray.

Want more ? Or does that draw you a clear enough picture?

( as if I really need to ask )

* Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

Ive heard none of those from the press, myself. From regular people people, yes. But not the media.

But Im sure you can provide links.

*Note to everyone*: Anthony is spot-on. Pay no heed to Rappy's pleas for pity.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:39 AM

I agree with Story's original post, it is a situation that needed further investigation, and its good that it got media coverage because it was a situation that warrants scrutiny, but I think at this point the media coverage might be doing a disservice to the legal case.

Note to self: Take out the recycling.

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KWICKO

Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Only NBC altered the audio, as the Left often does...

Ah. NBC was the group behind the ACORN tapes, then? Were they the ones who selectively edited the Shirley Sherrod tapes?

I guess I never realized that Andrew Breitbart was part of "the Left"...

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Posted by Rappy:

If FOX ( never heard of 'fauxNews', sorry ) News reported that Zimmerman was 'white', then it shows they're as bad as the rest of the media, and no where near as 'right-wing' as the Left would have us believe.

So if MSNBC reports that Zimmerman is Hispanic, does that mean they're not as "left-wing" as "the Right" would have us believe?

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Oprah's launching a new cable network called TMD. The 24-hour Trayvon Martin Death channel will be hosted by visiting celebs including Malik Shabazz, Jeremiah Wright, Todd Bridges, Stymie, and others. Al Sharpton will be interviewing Dred Scott on whether it is legal to drink iced tea out of a can.

Gotta love stuff like this coming from those who claim race has nothing to do with it.

Hell, Jongsie, why didn't you mention watermelon and fried chicken while you were running down your list of stereotypes?

Yeah, I forgot to mention that all the outraged members of the Congressional Black Caucus will be donning new colorful Spring hats as they try to defeat all the outraged members of the NAACP for a 1982 green Cadillac Deauville in the new network's only game show called Ask Or Ax Da Bitch?

1KIKI

Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:28 AM

Holy mother of god, was that crude.

1KIKI

Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:30 AM

Personally, I'm satisfied that the VERY PUBLIC ATTENTION got the shooting looked at - one month after it happened and was ready to disappear into the dustbin of history. Without the coverage it wouldn't have been looked at at all.

KWICKO

Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:17 AM

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Holy mother of god, was that crude.

Yup, RL's off her meds again.

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KWICKO

Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:22 AM

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Personally, I'm satisfied that the VERY PUBLIC ATTENTION got the shooting looked at - one month after it happened and was ready to disappear into the dustbin of history. Without the coverage it wouldn't have been looked at at all.

And that's what has the mighty-whitey-righties so up in the arms they keep and bear. This was a case they hoped would be quickly forgotten about, and then when it wasn't, they decided they'd play the false-equivalency game and start screaming "But what about all the OTHER shootings?!"

And when challenged to show us which other shootings they were talking about in which the identity of the shooter was known, he was questioned by police, then given back his gun and sent on his way... they vanished. And now they want the story to vanish, too, and they're extremely pissed that it hasn't, and shows no sign of just conveniently disappearing.

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:10 AM

Storybook - it's not being widely reported, but that doesn't mean it didn't take place. I'd provide links, but you'd ridicule or dismiss them anyways, pretending things weren't said, and carry on w/ your head in the sand. It's your way. I get that.

Here ya go, anyway. http://thewesternexperience.com/2012/03/27/was-trayvon-martin-shot-in-
the-back-of-head/

* Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe.

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:13 AM

kwickie - the ACORN tapes weren't altered to distort what events actually took place. Neither were the Breitbart videos.

But you're clearly too brain locked to admit that.

Prove msnbc called Zimmerman hispanic, from the very start, if you can, or just drop this nonsense of hypothetical 'what ifs' .

* Note to everyone* - Do not believe Anthony. He does not know what he thinks he knows on matters concerning of what I think or believe.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, April 5, 2012 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie - the ACORN tapes weren't altered to distort what events actually took place. Neither were the Breitbart videos.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Breitbart+edited+videos&rls=com.mic
rosoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

http://www.google.com/search?rls=com.microsoft%3A*&oe=UTF-8&st
artIndex=&startPage=1&hl=en&q=acorn%20videos%20edited&spell=1&sa=X

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

KWICKO

Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Prove msnbc called Zimmerman hispanic, from the very start, if you can, or just drop this nonsense of hypothetical 'what ifs' .

In your own words:

"I'd provide links, but you'd ridicule or dismiss them anyways, pretending things weren't said, and carry on w/ your head in the sand. It's your way. I get that."

goose sauce = gander sauce, n'est-ce pas?

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SIGNYM

Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:13 PM

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Yup, RL's off her meds again

Nope. Back ON the sauce.

I'm sure this was brought up before but... people who watch Faux Nooz exclusively and listen to talk radio the rest of the time are complaining about biased coverage?

Yo! You guys! Are you the pot calling the kettle... er... black?

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:28 PM

That's because Fox and conservative talk radio are telling them it is bias.

It is also the difference between many liberal and conservatives. Liberals just want the facts so they can form their own opinions. Conservatives what the opinions so they can come up with their own facts.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

NIKI2

Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:11 PM

I'm not getting into this ridiculous shit, but I will offer some information and say this: As in EVERY story, misinformation comes out initially and is clarified later on. That's exactly what's happened here, and with the shooting over in Oakland, and with every other similar happening. We are still getting updated facts about the Oakland shooting, and more information as it is gathered.

Zimmerman was initially reported as Caucasian; that was changed the minute the facts came out. I never ONCE heard Trayvon was shot in the back of the head, from ANY news source. Zimmerman appeared to have no injuries; once the tape was enhanced there is "something" visible on the back of his head. I haven't yet heard what it is, how serious it is, or anything else.

As to Trayvon's size and weight; Trayvon was DEAD, remember, and his body gone. All people had to go on initially was an old picture of Zimmerman in which he was pudgy, and whatever the family told the police. I doubt Trayvon was weighed or examined, given all the other mistakes made.

Now, I haven't heard from day one that Trayvon was anything but 17 years old. Dunno where that came from. I heard updates from MSNBC and CNN both showing the enhanced video and the fact that "something" is visible on the back of Zimmerman's head. That's all anyone knows at this point, as far as I can tell. I also heard the correction of Trayvon's size and weight from both sources AND other MSM; dunno how they got the correct figures, but given the only way to know that would be from information like his driver's license or other identifying material, and he (unlike Zimmerman) had no police record, I imagine they had to dig to find it out. That's called reporting.

CNN went even further. They had enhanced the words muttered under Zimmerman's breath, which is what brought the feds to town. They went on to enhance it FURTHER and listen again, and agreed that it sounded like he said "fucking COLD", rather than what people thought at first, and that it meant the feds would probably go away, since there was no further indication of racism or profiling.

The MSM has consistently called Zimmerman a "neighborhood watch captain", missing the fact that he's apprently he ONLY person who VOLUNTEERED to do the neighborhood watch, and is captain of nothing. I haven't heard that anywhere, and only found it on a couple of stories on the internet. If they wanted to make him look worse, I think they'd have reported that. There's something else they've updated and clarified, but I can't remember what it was just now. All the updated information I listed above I heard last night, so I hadn't reported it here yet, as I just got up.

Gee, what bastards the media are, lying like that!

Me, I'm following it because I find it interesting to "investigate" the only way I can...but following it on the internet and when it comes up on TV. Since I only watch TV in the evening and only come here in the morning, I get my news fairly late.

All reporters had to go on initially was what the police and family told them and what the police video showed. The information will continue to be updated and come out as time goes on, just like every other story in the world. I can imagine the FAMILY hasn't been very helpful when it comes to telling facts which might make Trayvon look worse, and as far as I know, what was reported initially came from those on the scene and the police and family. Given Trayvon is dead, and was lying on the ground, and the police essentially did no investigation, I don't know how anyone else would be able to determine his weight or height.

To say FauxNews is impartial is such a joke it's not even funny anymore, just boring. One only has to look back at the faked rally photo and other things to know that's not true. Anyone who claims Breitbart's material

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:45 PM

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kwickie - the ACORN tapes weren't altered to distort what events actually took place. Neither were the Breitbart videos.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA.

Another look into the utter fantasy that is RappyLand.

*Note to everyone*: Anthony is spot-on. Pay no heed to Rappy's pleas for pity.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:50 PM

Really only one question left...is there a rock big enough for all the race mongers and sleazy Democrat political opportunists to hide under once the facts are revealed that Martin was the attacker and was lawfully shot dead? Let's see, they didn't stay under their last rock for too long after the Duke lacrosse racially hyped and whipped-up charges were all dropped did they? Now they have latched onto Travon in another pathetic and kool-aid driven campaign to whip up the Black vote for Obama. He only got 93% last time, but more is always better. And considering how devastating Obama's economy has been for Blacks in general, surely inciting a little racial hatred was on their menu. And NBC & ABC can continue to edit and doctor their coverage of Martin in Dan Ratheresque desperation even when the Feds and Special Prosecutor decide that there are no charges against Zimmerman.

PHOENIXROSE

Thursday, April 5, 2012 4:55 PM

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Yeah, we're sick of the lies,

Such as?

Zimmerman is white. He isn't.

Trayvon was shot in the back of the head, execution style. He wasn't.

Zimmerman suffered zero injuries.

Trayvon, as pictured, isn't a 12 yr old, but was in fact 17 years old, stood 6 ft tall, and was hardly a 'skinny kid'.

Which runs into another LIE told by the media. Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 100 ( I think Niki said 130 lbs ? ). False. There was 30-40 lbs difference. 50, tops. Far from the hulking brute , picking on the mild mannered, fresh faced kid as the media tried to portray.

1. Never heard a single person say Zimmerman was white. And actually, very few of the reporters I've seen go out of their way to say that Trayvon was black. They show pictures of Trayvon and Zimmerman's mug shot semi-regularly, and leave it at that.

2. Never heard anyone said Trayvon was shot execution style. Not even anything close to that.

3. Closest thing I've heard to that is that there is a video of Zimmerman in the police station shortly after the shooting, and there is no evidence on that video that he is injured; no blood on his face or clothes from a broken nose, no visible bruises, etc.

4. Who ever said Trayvon was twelve? I haven't heard anyone say he was anything other than seventeen/a teenager. And unarmed, which seems to be the main thing.

5. I dunno, Zimmerman looks fairly large, and I'm sure he did outweigh the young man. I haven't seen any reporter or commentator give a specific weight difference.

Granted, I have not been obsessively following the story, but I've certainly seen several news shows talk about it. The facts given are generally: "Trayvon Martin was an unarmed teenager, he was shot and killed on the street, and the man who shot him has not even been arrested, let alone brought to trial. WTF?"

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:24 PM

Yep, Ive looked for these things the Raptard claims happened, and can't find any actual instances. And, like all of his claims, he did not cite anything..... just more Rappy fantasies.

*Note to everyone*: Anthony is spot-on. Pay no heed to Rappy's pleas for pity.

NIKI2

Thursday, April 5, 2012 5:41 PM

Yup, Rose, that's about the sum of it. I remembered the other thing I heard: It was first reported that Zimmerman was let go free and went home with his gun. The video shows he was taken to the police station in handcuffs, tho' they decided not to officially arrest him, and it's been reported that his gun is in police custody. Damn that liberal media, pointing those things out!!

I can only guess the claims were made on FauxNews in the context of the "lamestream media lies" or something, because I NEVER heard those things you mentioned, about him having been shot "execution style" or that he was anything other than 17.

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In a fast-paced world of 24-hour cable news and nonstop social media, what happened that night has become both common knowledge and a blur of unattributed rumor accepted as fact. A controversial police report incited conspiracy theories and failed to definitively resolve what everyone wants to know: Who picked the fight? http://www.freep.com/article/C4/20120405/NEWS07/204050441/Night-of-Tra
yvon-Martin-s-killing-filled-with-conflicting-reports?odyssey=nav%7Chead

That's Detroit Free Press...no doubt part of the vast liberal media conspiracy.

I still can't find anywhere that says Trayvon was 12. Ah--on a website which has "conspiracy theorists" and "lunatic fringe" in it's header, a blogger who calls himself "Anonymous Coward" writes "The media has continued to show old photos of Trayvon from when he appears to be about 12 years old, instead of recent photos which show him in a much less flattering light." A comment on Redstate: "You have seen the picture of Trayvon when he was 11 or 12 years old, as has everyone else because the media won’t show us what he looked like at 17, which I think is very telling." Nowhere can I find anything that actually SAID he was 12. And subsequent photos are quite appropriate for a 17-year-old; I'm guessing those first shown were the first they could get their hands on. Oh, yeah, and I've seen widespread coverage of all the shit that was brought out about his personal life, which has nothing to do with that night, and Zimmerman's background, which definitely DOES relate to his wanting to be an authority figure, having an arrest for aggresssion against a cop, carrying a gun, etc.

And yeah, googling turns up a bunch of blogs saying he was shot "execution style", but I never heard anything like that on any MSM or on their websites.

I guess these are a useful attempt to point to a liberal media bias, but they're reaching awfully far!

And yes, what you said is what I heard, at least at first, too. The simple fact that Zimmerman stalked him, after being told not to and responding "okay" to that advice, puts him in the wrong. So MANY things which are now shown to be facts don't look good for Zimmerman; his past aggressions, that neighborhood watch agencies have repeatedly stated that carrying a gun isn't acceptable practice; that Trayvon was doing nothing but walking home; the distance Zimmerman stalked him; the police actions and INactions, and on and on. It's enough to make anyone wonder WTF, but of course, wondering that is just a liberal thing, nobody on the right would EVER question police actions or believe facts that go against their own opinions...

This pretty much sums it up for me:

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Nearly everyone expressed despair for Trayvon and disgust for shooter George Zimmerman. Here in Philadelphia, a diverse array of citizens filled LOVE Park three times to express outrage. Even Mayor Nutter weighed in, going so far as to call the killing an "assassination" on MSNBC. For the first time since 9/11, it seemed that the whole country shared the same sense of sadness and anger.

Then reality set in.

Over the past two weeks, our country has gone from a refreshing state of collective compassion to our sadly familiar p

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AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:08 PM

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1. Never heard a single person say Zimmerman was white. And actually, very few of the reporters I've seen go out of their way to say that Trayvon was black. They show pictures of Trayvon and Zimmerman's mug shot semi-regularly, and leave it at that.

The very first reports were saying he was white, and with the name 'Zimmerman' , and not Rodriguez. When it turned out that his mom was from Peru, we quickly heard 'white-Hispanic'.

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2. Never heard anyone said Trayvon was shot execution style. Not even anything close to that.
Jessie Jackson said has mentioned that, as have others in his organization. No real shocker that the MSM has under reported that. Congresswoman Corine Browne , from Jacksonville, FL, said Trayvon was hunted down and killed like " a rabid dog ".

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3. Closest thing I've heard to that is that there is a video of Zimmerman in the police station shortly after the shooting, and there is no evidence on that video that he is injured; no blood on his face or clothes from a broken nose, no visible bruises, etc.
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The 'video' was only a surveillance / security cam. GZ had already been treated by the paramedics. He didn't come climbing out of the squad car covered in blood.

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4. Who ever said Trayvon was twelve? I haven't heard anyone say he was anything other than seventeen/a teenager. And unarmed, which seems to be the main thing.
Many of the photos the MSM are showing are of when Trayvon was much younger. The more recent pic, of an older Trayvon , with his gold 'grill' , don't exactly paint the same picture of a more innocent, cherubic victim.

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5. I dunno, Zimmerman looks fairly large, and I'm sure he did outweigh the young man. I haven't seen any reporter or commentator give a specific weight difference.

With out double checking, I think GZ is about 5'9, and outweighed Trayvon by 40lbs or so. Trayvon was 6' or so. There were early reports that GZ was 100+ lbs heavier than TM. If

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Granted, I have not been obsessively following the story, but I've certainly seen several news shows talk about it. The facts given are generally: "Trayvon Martin was an unarmed teenager, he was shot and killed on the street, and the man who shot him has not even been arrested, let alone brought to trial. WTF?"

Yes, 'WTF' is a legit question. But if the facts show that TM jumped GZ from behind, and was beating him, then how does that change the story ?

Even so, I don't see that deadly force was necessary, but that's easy for us to say now, after the fact. At the time, we don't know exactly what was going on. The facts should be allowed to come out, and this 'rush to judgement' doesn't do anyone any favors.

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STORYMARK

Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:15 PM

And after being asked several time, still not a single citation from Rappy.

Just another post where he insists he is right, because.... well... JUST BECAUSE. But then, we all know that's how he rolls.

Another non-surprise.

*Note to everyone*: Anthony is spot-on. Pay no heed to Rappy's pleas for pity.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 5, 2012 11:52 PM

Already posted what you're asking for, Storybook.

Go look harder, if you can't find it.

Idiot.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M1_7eARjwL4J:exch
angegoldforcash.com/money/u-s-government/president/2012-election/breitbart/local-fox-insider-martin-shot-in-back-of-head/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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KWICKO

Friday, April 6, 2012 2:18 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Already posted what you're asking for, Storybook.

Go look harder, if you can't find it.

Idiot.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:M1_7eARjwL4J:exch
angegoldforcash.com/money/u-s-government/president/2012-election/breitbart/local-fox-insider-martin-shot-in-back-of-head/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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This is Google's cache of http://exchangegoldforcash.com/money/u-s-government/president/2012-ele
ction/breitbart/local-fox-insider-martin-shot-in-back-of-head/. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Apr 1, 2012 05:13:21 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime.

Also,

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According to sources in the Memphis, Tennessee area, local FOX 13 insider Joseph Kyles reported from Sanford, Florida that Martin was shot in the back of the head. As the anchor, Greg Coy, tweeted, “This could change invest[igation].”

So this is coming from FOX, huh? I can see why you'd be skeptical, of course. I'm skeptical, too, but when it comes to FauxNews, I always am, given their history. You questioning the veracity of their stories might be a breakthrough, though.

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KWICKO

Friday, April 6, 2012 2:24 AM

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Congresswoman Corine Browne , from Jacksonville, FL, said Trayvon was hunted down and killed like " a rabid dog ".

Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion?

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 6, 2012 4:42 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yep, Ive looked for these things the Raptard claims happened, and can't find any actual instances. And, like all of his claims, he did not cite anything..... just more Rappy fantasies.

So let me get this straight.

You are in total agreement with someone who says they have not really been following this story except for watching a few shows.

You are totally against the guy who has actually provided some cites to back up his claims.

Does that sum it up?

PHOENIXROSE

Friday, April 6, 2012 6:52 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The very first reports were saying he was white, and with the name 'Zimmerman' , and not Rodriguez.

Sorry, I don't quite understand this. Is his last name not Zimmerman? Or should reporters have represented him as having a different last name, in order to reinforce the hispanic part of his heritage?

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The 'video' was only a surveillance / security cam. GZ had already been treated by the paramedics. He didn't come climbing out of the squad car covered in blood.

Okay, but I was just saying all I had heard was that there was no evidence of injury on the video that was taken very soon after the shooting. That's all that was being covered and reported on. You know, since we're talking about coverage.
And perhaps he was treated by paramedics, but then there would have perhaps been visible bruising. Also, if any serious harm had been done to him, there may still have been blood on his clothing, unless he popped home to change between being seen by the paramedics and being brought into a police station in handcuffs. If serious harm was not done to him, then I don't see how he was justified in pulling the trigger. Not that very many things would justify it, but some things might. If he had a knife wound, bruised throat from being throttled, or another life-threatening injury, perhaps. As I said, much of the coverage has focused on the fact that Trayvon Martin was unarmed. He was not likely to be posing deadly threat without a weapon in his hands.

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Many of the photos the MSM are showing are of when Trayvon was much younger. The more recent pic, of an older Trayvon , with his gold 'grill' , don't exactly paint the same picture of a more innocent, cherubic victim.

I'm sorry, again I'm not quite understanding this. The young man had a 'grill' and this would somehow mean, what, that he was not innocent? Highly unattractive though I find them to be, those things are hardly evidence of attempted murder or other justification for being shot to death.
Also, I have seen three or four photos in heavy rotation. Some of them look like they may be of a younger Trayvon Martin, which often seems to be done in montages of the deceased; showing a few snapshots from different points in their life. The one I have seen most often in this "main stream media" shows an unsmiling teenager in a white hooded sweatshirt. This makes him look like a pretty average teenager, honestly, neither cherubic or criminal, just a boy doing what they do in their teens.

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Even so, I don't see that deadly force was necessary, but that's easy for us to say now, after the fact. At the time, we don't know exactly what was going on. The facts should be allowed to come out, and this 'rush to judgement' doesn't do anyone any favors.

I'm glad you don't see the deadly force as necessary. I can't imagine how it could have been. However, that should have been determined by the courts, or be in the process of being determined by the courts. That is the main thing being argued for. There should be a trial when someone is shot to death on the street, no matter who it is. In this case, it was a young person, which I think touched a few nerves. No one likes the idea of their children dying, and I think folks who are 10-15 years older than me were looking at this case and thinking, "Hey, he's about my kid's age" and that's bound to be upsetting. I don't think coverage is likely to stop until this thing goes to court.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
...in total agreement with someone who says they have not really been following this story except for watching a few shows.

Are you referring to me? The one who is getting the lion's share of information from the "main stream media" that is supposedly spinning all these "lies" about everything? When I say I have not been following obsessively, that m

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 6, 2012 1:29 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Congresswoman Corine Brown , from Jacksonville, FL, said Trayvon was hunted down and killed like " a rabid dog ".

Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion?

It was Dem Rep. Frederica Wilson, not Brown. I had only heard the audio, and confused Brown with Wilson.

"Trayvon Martin's murderer is still at large. It's been one month, thirty days, with no arrest. I want America to see this sweet young boy who was hunted down like a dog, shot in the street, and his killer is still at large. "

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/27/dem_congressman_tray
von_was_hunted_down_like_a_dog_shot_down_in_the_street.html

As for the honorable Ms Brown, her views on the matter...

And Storybook - Not EVERY GOD DAMN piece of info needs to be cited and reposted here, when it's being played all over the news, or it's widesly accessible on for anyone to find. Hell, you'd demanding that I repost Darwins Origin of Species every single time I bring up the issue of Evolution, or repost the entire US Constitution, were I to discuss matters of govt. Get the hell over yourself already.

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AURAPTOR

Friday, April 6, 2012 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So this is coming from FOX, huh? I can see why you'd be skeptical, of course. I'm skeptical, too, but when it comes to FauxNews, I always am, given their history. You questioning the veracity of their stories might be a breakthrough, though.

I never said I was skeptical, and there's no reason for you to be either, any more than had it come from NBC, CBS, or AP, etc...

Classic diversion and denial. I get asked for a citation, and I give one. Then you phony up an excuse to not trust the citation.

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GEEZER

Friday, April 6, 2012 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Ive heard none of those from the press, myself. From regular people people, yes. But not the media.

But Im sure you can provide links.

For the "white" Zimmerman and 100lb weight difference, you don't have to go far. Just the first post in this thread.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=51371

NIKI2

Friday, April 6, 2012 5:03 PM

I googled "Corinne Brown Trayvon executed" (and "execution", and "Corinne Brown says/said Trayvon executed" as well) and could find nothing about her having said he was shot in the head execution style. Ah, I see you clarified that it was Fredricka Brown, who is quoted as saying "she was drafting legislation to establish a commission on the social status of black men and boys so that other black youths would not be “hunted down like a rabid dog” and “shot in the street.” She didn't say TRAYVON was shot that way, tho' yes, the implication is there.

However, while looking, I found her being reported as trying to calm things down:

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There was a brief moment of booing, when Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett addressed the crowd.
But U.S. Representative Corrine Brown quickly quieted it when she told them how Triplett flew to Washington, DC, and met with congressmen for five hours about the case and helped get the 911 tapes released to the public, which generated a social media buzz that propelled the case nationally. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119340/Trayvon-Martin-case-Ne
wt-Gingrich-slams-Obamas-disgraceful-comments-shooting.html

So does that mean you were deliberately misrepresenting Brown? No, it means you clarified after finding out the facts, and your coloration of her as having said something bad was both erroneous and portrayed her in a way that is opposite of her real actions. Get it?

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Yes, 'WTF' is a legit question. But if the facts show that TM jumped GZ from behind, and was beating him, then how does that change the story ?

It would change the situation somewhat, but there's still the question of who comes under the "stand-your-ground" law. The law is poorly written, and it's possible that jumping from behind, when one feels one is threatened by being stalked, would come under that statute, I don't know. I've heard a lot about the law being bandied back and forth, and one of the politicians from that area said that it should be a matter of who INSTIGATED the situation, and that those who instigate it should not be allowed to profit from killing the other person. AND that they (I forget who, sorry) and others in position to redo the law should make that a clear part of it.

I think one of the things people are upset about is that the police immediately gave Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt that he'd been attacked, the law kicked right in, and no effort was made to discover whether MARTIN might have come under that same law. The police department definitely has problems; once they heard the dispatch call (which I doubt they even bothered to do), they should have questioned why Zimmerman got out of his car and stalked Martin after being told not to. That could well be considered instigating, and they never even considered it.

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Even so, I don't see that deadly force was necessary, but that's easy for us to say now, after the fact. At the time, we don't know exactly what was going on. The facts should be allowed to come out, and this 'rush to judgement' doesn't do anyone any favors.

Thank you for your honesty. But the "rush to judgment" thing has happened innumerable times, from all different sides of issues. I believe you probably remember the rush to judgment over Sherrod? Myriad examples can be found of ANY such occurrence causing a rush to judgment by both the population and the media, so while your statement is correct that it doesn't do anyone any favors, attempts by some to blame "the left" in some of the more stupid comments here are irrelevant.

Googling for "Martin shot in back of head", by the way, I can ONLY find that one claim by Kyle (and a few repetitions of him claiming it). So claiming it was widely said is untrue, as best I can discover. If you have cites wherein it was claimed by more than Kyle, that might prove your point. Otherwi

KWICKO

Friday, April 6, 2012 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Congresswoman Corine Brown , from Jacksonville, FL, said Trayvon was hunted down and killed like " a rabid dog ".

Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion?

It was Dem Rep. Frederica Wilson, not Brown. I had only heard the audio, and confused Brown with Wilson.

In other words, you were wrong, and wrongfully slandered someone by attributing to them things they did not say. You owe the lady an apology.

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And Storybook - Not EVERY GOD DAMN piece of info needs to be cited and reposted here, when it's being played all over the news, or it's widesly accessible on for anyone to find. Hell, you'd demanding that I repost Darwins Origin of Species every single time I bring up the issue of Evolution, or repost the entire US Constitution, were I to discuss matters of govt. Get the hell over yourself already.

Thing is, Rappy, you're making claims about stuff that IS NOT "being played all over the news". Why do you think I asked you about Rep. Brown? I checked, and no such information could be found anywhere. And when fact-checking your claims about allegations of Trayvon being shot in the back of the head, I could only find one such source, and it's a very shady one that says right up front that it's a cached version, ostensibly because the original has been retracted or sent down the Memory Hole.

If you can't provide citations for your claims, maybe you shouldn't make such wild-ass unsupported and unsupportable claims.

After all, weren't you the one who accused the President of "lying" when he said health care reform passed with a "strong majority"? So when you claim things are "being played all over the news" when they in fact aren't, are you lying?

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AURAPTOR

Friday, April 6, 2012 9:44 PM

Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry I confused Corrine Brown with another idiot , race baiting Democrat representative from Florida. I'll try to do better next time.

And unlike the President, I admit my mistakes, correct them, and move on. Obama ? He just says shit, and because no one will ever call him on it, goes on as if what ever the hell he's saying is the truth. BIG difference between our approaches to reality, me and Barry.

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M52NICKERSON

Friday, April 6, 2012 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry I confused Corrine Brown with another idiot , race baiting Democrat representative from Florida. I'll try to do better next time.

This maybe a new high for you Rappy. You admitted you were wrong and you are calling some one a race baiting idiot who really is one.

Good job!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

GEEZER

Saturday, April 7, 2012 2:20 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer:
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For the "white" Zimmerman and 100lb weight difference, you don't have to go far. Just the first post in this thread.
Say WHAA?? I looked at the first post; neither one is mentioned. I also checked the link I had put up; neither is mentioned there, either. Dunno what you mean by this.

How soon they forget.

The link was to the ""Racism is dead in America" Bullshit" thread, and for some reason didn't work.

the first post contained this:

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Trayvon a 17 year old African American boy was shot in a gated community where his father lives in Florida. He was shot by a self-appointed White Community Watch Captain who was walking around with a gun. Zimmerman the community watch person decided Trayvon looked suspicious. All the boy had was candy and a drink. He was not bothering anyone. He was simply walking from the store to his father's house. So we have to ask ourselves what about the boy made him "look" suspicious? Zimmerman approached the boy after calling the police and the police telling him not to follow the boy.

Disregarding the police Zimmerman approached the boy with a gun and the boy attempted to defend himself. Now Zimmerman who weighed about 100 pounds more than the boy and had a gun is claimng self defense. He shot and killed this innocent boy. The police have not arrested Zimmerman because they claim there is no evidence or witness to counter his claim of self defense. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-761553?hpt=hp_bn2

Note the stuff I underlined. You posted it. Strange you don't remember it.

ETA: Anyone have any idea why this link won't work?

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=51371

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 7, 2012 2:30 AM

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer:
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For the "white" Zimmerman and 100lb weight difference, you don't have to go far. Just the first post in this thread.
Say WHAA?? I looked at the first post; neither one is mentioned. I also checked the link I had put up; neither is mentioned there, either. Dunno what you mean by this.

How soon they forget.

The link was to the ""Racism is dead in America" Bullshit" thread, and for some reason didn't work.

the first post contained this:

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Trayvon a 17 year old African American boy was shot in a gated community where his father lives in Florida. He was shot by a self-appointed White Community Watch Captain who was walking around with a gun. Zimmerman the community watch person decided Trayvon looked suspicious. All the boy had was candy and a drink. He was not bothering anyone. He was simply walking from the store to his father's house. So we have to ask ourselves what about the boy made him "look" suspicious? Zimmerman approached the boy after calling the police and the police telling him not to follow the boy.

Disregarding the police Zimmerman approached the boy with a gun and the boy attempted to defend himself. Now Zimmerman who weighed about 100 pounds more than the boy and had a gun is claimng self defense. He shot and killed this innocent boy. The police have not arrested Zimmerman because they claim there is no evidence or witness to counter his claim of self defense. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-761553?hpt=hp_bn2

Note the stuff I underlined. You posted it. Strange you don't remember it.

ETA: Anyone have any idea why this link won't work?

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=51371

Good get, Geeze.

As for the links, I have no idea, other than I think I recall it mentioned that the old site was going to be phased out and everything was going to be found here ? Should be able to find it here, regardless... no ?

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NIKI2

Saturday, April 7, 2012 1:42 PM

Ah, you were referring to ANOTHER thread...that's what confused me. As to those two points, do we really have to go through the thing about initial reports often being wrong again? You didn't respond to that part, so I don't know whether you grasped it or not. The updating of Martin's size and height was what I heard the night before I posted it...maybe you guys heard it sooner, I don't know, but it was corrected on the MSM, so that should be the end of that. Did someone BESIDES the MSM have information that Zimmerman was only 50 lbs. heavier than Martin, and if so, do you have cites?

As to Zimmerman's "race", that was reported fairly quickly. Both have been clarified and are no longer (as far as I know) referred to. I posted information to correct the claims of "lies" being spread "all over" the MSM; only one reference to "execution style" and "back of head" by one person; a photograph, which makes the "12-year-0ld" subjective, etc., etc. That was my purpose, and it's been fulfilled.

GEEZER

Saturday, April 7, 2012 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
...but it was corrected on the MSM, so that should be the end of that.

What was the title of your thread, again?

"Racism is dead in America" Bullshit.

That's because you, and many others, reacted to the "erroneous" information blasted out by the MSM that Zimmerman was White, and that he was much bigger than Martin. The rather out-of-date photos of Zimmerman and Martin also helped fuel the "big racist guy and little Black kid" idea, not to mention broadcast of the edited 911 call.

Once folks got invested in the lies...excuse me, the erroneous information...they weren't gonna let it go when later and less-publicised "corrections" came out and cast doubt on the original story.

If the original story had been "Hispanic Neighborhood watch volunteer erroneously suspects Black youth. Bad judgement and misunderstanding cause shooting tragedy." would folks be so up in arms?

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:38 PM

Um, contrary to popular right wing belief, "racism" does not mean "white people suck." You don't need a white person in the vicinity for all sorts of "racism" to occur. That said, I have this kinda terrible fantasy that one day soon the P.C. squad is gonna coin the term "afrophobic" so as to leave mighty whitey out of it and lose nothing of the "black people are inherently dangerous" belief system of which this case still fairly reeks.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NIKI2

Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:49 PM

As for "Once folks got invested in the lies...excuse me, the erroneous information...they weren't gonna let it go when later and less-publicised "corrections" came out and cast doubt on the original story. "--have you checked any right-wing radio or internet? THEY are still not only invested in believing Martin was a thug an Zimmerman a good guy, they call Martin a gangbanger (tho' he never had ANY affiliation with ANY gang) and far, far worse. For some people it doesn't MATTER what the facts are, at first or later in depth.

As far as I know, nobody, last of all the MSM, is claiming what you say...once corrected, only the correct facts are what I hear. Also, it was CNN who went to the trouble of enhancing the audio, and it sounded like "coons". THEY went to the trouble of enhancing it FURTHER, and broadcast in several of their shows first that it sounded more like "cold", and later that it had been determined to be "punks". Why would they do that if they're as prejudiced as you claim they are?

And yes, racism is alive and well. We still don't know if Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was Black, and probably never will. If he DID, I'll bet it's a case of there having been numerous instances of break-ins, etc., done by Blacks, so it's only "racial profiling", but we'll never know if, had Martin been Caucasian, Zimmerman would have gone to equal lengths to stalk him.

WhatEVER the original story was portrayed as, once the facts came out, especially about the police doing no investigation, taking Zimmerman's word for everything, etc., etc., you better believe the story would have caught fire! AND, if Zimmerman had been Black and Martin White, do you really think it would have been ignored?!? The police sure would have done a thorough investigation, and there wouldn't be much chance of Zimmerman getting the special treatment he did! If you think otherwise, you're deluding yourself--or insisting otherwise despite what you know to be true.

How about a few examples?

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New Orleans Police Officer Jason Giroir proudly posted: “Act like a Thug Die like one!” After another online commenter criticized Giroir’s statement as racist, Giroir responded back with, “…come on down to our town with a ‘Hoodie’ and you can join Martin in HELL and talk about your racist stories! :-P”

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The guy had a back pack with his thieving tools something the media seems to forget

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Let me tell you if zimmermen and gangsta treyvon were in the ring id put money on treyvon. Some punk

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that thug got what he deserved

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D you think Zimmerman took the threat more or less seriously because Martin was black, wore a hoodie, had ghetto gold teeth, and was skulking around people's back yards?

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This is gonna piss off some N*&%%Rs. where is trayvon buried at, I want to scrap his gold caps, should bring a few bucks and help defend Zimmerman against the bullSh it from the left.

You REALLY think accurate news reporting is gonna change any of THESE minds?? People believe what they want to believe, left, right, center, unless they are the kind of people who listen, weigh and discern as best they can from the facts presented. That's what I've tried to do, and I'm not convinced Zimmerman wasn't attacked by Martin; I want a trial with all the facts coming out before I decide for myself. The lack of a trial means ANYONE can say "I was standing my ground" and get off without question. That's insane.

There is no indication Martin was any kind of "thug" or acting like a thug, nor was it reported, but look at all the references to one. NOBODY reported that Martin was "skulking", he was on his way from the store to his father's girlfriend's home. But there it is. The report of a "backpack with thieving tools" is completely inaccurate; I

NIKI2

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:12 PM

In my opinion:

NIKI2

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:13 PM

Shit. Double post

KPO

Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:55 PM

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later and less-publicised "corrections"

That's always the way the media works.

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That's because you, and many others, reacted to the "erroneous" information blasted out by the MSM that Zimmerman was White, and that he was much bigger than Martin.

The outrage was based on more than these details. The fact that you think these relatively minor corrections ought to put out the fire of public anger tells me you don't understand what's going on here.

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If the original story had been "Hispanic Neighborhood watch volunteer erroneously suspects Black youth. Bad judgement and misunderstanding cause shooting tragedy." would folks be so up in arms?

See here you've prejudged the criminality of the case. Wasn't it you who was upset about others doing the same thing and condenming Zimmerman as guilty, without knowing all the facts? But here you've settled in your own mind that Zimmerman didn't commit a crime - that the shooting was just a 'tragedy' and a 'misunderstanding' (essentialy that his claim of self defence is true). What's this based on? Faith in the police? What?

It's not personal. It's just war.

STORYMARK

Saturday, April 7, 2012 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Congresswoman Corine Brown , from Jacksonville, FL, said Trayvon was hunted down and killed like " a rabid dog ".

Do you have any evidence to back up that assertion?

It was Dem Rep. Frederica Wilson, not Brown. I had only heard the audio, and confused Brown with Wilson.

"Trayvon Martin's murderer is still at large. It's been one month, thirty days, with no arrest. I want America to see this sweet young boy who was hunted down like a dog, shot in the street, and his killer is still at large. "

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/27/dem_congressman_tray
von_was_hunted_down_like_a_dog_shot_down_in_the_street.html

As for the honorable Ms Brown, her views on the matter...

And Storybook - Not EVERY GOD DAMN piece of info needs to be cited and reposted here,

Nor did I ever claim it ALL had to be. Nice straw man though.

It's just, for someone with as laughably consistant a record of non-citation as you, its funny to watch you throw tantrums when asked to back your bullshit.

And as you yourself have admitted - part of what you said was straight up false.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

OONJERAH

Sunday, April 8, 2012 12:39 AM

Here's what I think happened:

GZ stalked TM.
When he got too close, TM asked, "Why are you following me?"
And just as FremdFirma predicted he had, GZ had to play tough,
responding, "What are you doing here?"

At that point, it was still sorta cool, and either man could have
taken the calm way to communicate. But TM's phone cut out, so
we don't know how the confrontation progressed.

We know they got into a scuffle on the ground.

Closest witnesses say they heard a loud, pleading whine -- twice.
My guess is that GZ had the gun out, & TM was in fear for his life.
That couple of seconds, there was the time for GZ to choose sanity.
Did GZ know he had the upper hand? Or did he actually perceive a
new threat from TM? Was TM trying to withdraw?

*BANG!*

I see GZ as the aggressor. TM wasn't willing to be pushed. GZ had a
choice to shoot or not. He chose wrong.

Scene 2: The cops come. It's a routine job for them. But they failed it.
The lead investigator on the case recommended a manslaughter charge to
State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, but was overruled. Was it at this point
the PD decided to drop the ball, and not complete the investigation, to
not collect all the required evidence?

I truly believe that Norm Wolfinger and an agreeable PD found a dead,
black teen of little importance; they were under the spell of their own
habitual racism.
Didn't any of them know GZ well enough to say, "loose cannon! red alert!"?
Perhaps. If so, they were ignored.

The authorities were so callous, they didn't even try to find out who TM
was or "What was he doing there?" It didn't matter!

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

OONJERAH

Sunday, April 8, 2012 12:50 AM

How many here want George Zimmerman to watch their own neighborhood?
Let's have a show of hands!

NIKI2

Sunday, April 8, 2012 1:42 AM

Oonj, that scenario is pretty much what I figured happened, from all the information we have TO DATE. We'll see what the future brings.

Quote:
Zimmerman to watch their own neighborhood?

OONJERAH

Sunday, April 8, 2012 11:11 PM

Bill Cosby weighs in on Trayvon Martin case =>
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/7/simmons-bill-cosby-weig
hs-trayvon-martin-case/

"'The gun.'
Those two simple words flowed easily from the mouth of social
commentator Bill Cosby ...

In '2004, "Mr. Cosby pointed out to the audience that blacks had
essentially created a new lower rung on the socioeconomic ladder
by failing to police their children. Since then, he has traveled
the nation & used social media to expound the virtues of personal
accountability, responsible parenting and a sound education."

Oonj: Above: his two comments that struck me as most significant.
The article is longer, but not exactly in depth.

Cosby brings it, the instant of Trayvon's death, back to gun laws,
gun availability.
But in day-by-day, general matters, back to black people. When he
plays the race card, he plays it on the blacks. I am sure he knows
"long is the way and hard that leads up."

Blacks have created a new lower rung. How come he says this when
he knows they are disadvantaged?

Because he knows that every positive change WE make in our lives
comes from personal responsibility, not blame. Blame is bad,
'cause it fosters crippled attitudes. Blame keeps people down.

Happy Easter!

OONJERAH

Monday, April 9, 2012 11:15 PM

George Zimmerman's Own Website! :
I am the real George Zimmerman => http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/

The site creation is reported today on the Brevard Times.
George Zimmerman Creates Website For Donations =>
http://news.brevardtimes.com/2012/04/george-zimmerman-creates-website-
for.html

SANFORD, Florida -- George Zimmerman has set up a website
seeking donations to help with his legal fees for the case
involving the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The website address is TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com
A PayPal account has been set up on the front page along with
Zimmerman's version of events. The website is currently down
due to so much traffic, so a cached version of the website in
a Google or Yahoo search engine is the only way to view the
website tonight.

On the front page, Zimmerman says "As a result of the incident
and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my
home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my
entire life."

AURAPTOR

Monday, April 9, 2012 11:33 PM

Whether he ends up serving time for the events that night or not, it's undeniable that the media has done a hatchet job on him , and so called 'representatives' of the community and members of congress have blatantly lied about him, to further their own political agendas.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

OONJERAH

Monday, April 9, 2012 11:50 PM

Lots of stepping up to the podium, getting one's
own face & name in the news. Lots of agitation.

Opportunists. Yeah.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

KWICKO

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Whether he ends up serving time for the events that night or not, it's undeniable that the media has done a hatchet job on him , and so called 'representatives' of the community and members of congress have blatantly lied about him, to further their own political agendas.

Whatever "the media" has done to Zimmerman, it doesn't compare to the "hatchet job" he did on Trayvon Martin. Want proof? Zimmerman is still alive; Martin isn't. If Zimmerman serves time, it will be less than the death sentence he carried out on Martin.

Zimmerman isn't the victim. And the same "hatchet job" by "the media" has been carried out on Trayvon by the right-wing media, who have blatantly lied about him to further their own political agenda.

"I have no real clue of what you're speaking." - AuRaptor.

"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51196

GEEZER

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:
If the original story had been "Hispanic Neighborhood watch volunteer erroneously suspects Black youth. Bad judgement and misunderstanding cause shooting tragedy." would folks be so up in arms?

See here you've prejudged the criminality of the case.

Nope. It could be either way, or something else entirely.

But that headline could have been just as likely as something along the lines of "White neighborhood watch guns down much smaller Black teen." The media chooses what aspects they'll play up and which they'll soft-pedal.

OONJERAH

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:54 PM

George Zimmerman's attorneys sever ties =>
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman
-attorneys-20120410,0,3252544.story

"Two lawyers who had been representing George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin
in Sanford, Fla., said Tuesday that their client had cut off
contact with them and that they were no longer his legal
counsel.
. . .
"Uhrig added that he and Sonner could no longer work with
Zimmerman given his lack of communication and his failure
to follow their advice.

"Uhrig said the final straw was Zimmerman’s decision to
contact the special prosecutor reviewing the case. He had
been advised to stay away from the prosecutor. 'We heard
today Zimmerman contacted the prosecutor’s office directly,'
Uhrig said.

"That bit of news left the attorneys 'a bit astonished,'
Uhrig said. He added that the special prosecutor’s office
declined to speak with Zimmerman without counsel.
Uhrig praised the office for that decision."

Oonj: Seems consistent with previous behavior.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

KPO

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:
If the original story had been "Hispanic Neighborhood watch volunteer erroneously suspects Black youth. Bad judgement and misunderstanding cause shooting tragedy." would folks be so up in arms?

See here you've prejudged the criminality of the case.

Nope. It could be either way, or something else entirely.

But that headline could have been just as likely as something along the lines of "White neighborhood watch guns down much smaller Black teen." The media chooses what aspects they'll play up and which they'll soft-pedal.

Your headline didn't 'play up' anything though - it soft-pedalled everything. And it omitted the biggest detail (in terms of why this exploded as a story) - that the shooter was released without charge. Do you really need to ask why the msm didn't write headlines like your one?

The media only downplay details that make the story less of a story (except for partisan media, who downplay details that don't fit with a particular narrative). The media's traditional bias is towards sensationalism.

It's not personal. It's just war.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
"Uhrig said the final straw was Zimmerman’s decision to
contact the special prosecutor reviewing the case. He had
been advised to stay away from the prosecutor. 'We heard
today Zimmerman contacted the prosecutor’s office directly,'
Uhrig said.

I did tellya he'd do that, mind - his own mouth will sink him faster than any available evidence since his ego requires gestures which are legally counterproductive, but then, it was his ego what got him into this mess in the first place.

I do stand by my initial assessment of the matter.

-F

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:04 PM

Quote:
"Something changed around Sunday," Sonner told CNN, "and (Zimmerman) cut off all contact and has started doing things without telling me he's doing them."

Uhrig said Tuesday Zimmerman had, on his own, called Sean Hannity of Fox News and Corey's office.

"One of the things every defense attorney tells his client is, don't talk to the prosecutors. Don't talk to the cops. Frankly, don't talk to anybody until we get control of the situation, and do it through counsel," said Uhrig.

He added he was concerned about his former client's "emotional and physical safety" and said Zimmerman could be suffering from "post-traumatic stress."

First "shaken-baby syndrome" now PTSD...geez. Are they trying to set him up for some kind of mental defense, or just covering their own asses? What a mess!

While it seems like the guy is getting a raw deal in some respects, it also seems like he's not helping HIMSELF at the same time. Seems to me pretty dumb to go on Hannity, and equally dumb to contact the prosecutor. Curiouser and curiouser...

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:16 PM

I'd be surprised if Zimmerman *ISN'T* suffering from something akin to PTSD at this point. Doesn't mean that's why he shot Martin, but the way the story blew up after the fact, he could very well be frazzled and fried. At this point, if he were caught nude and masturbating in the middle of the street, it wouldn't be all that shocking.

The Fame Monster eats people alive, and its hunger is never sated. Hopefully Z isn't found dead in a cheap hotel somewhere with an 8-ball and a hooker, because I would like him to get his day in court. That's really at the crux of this whole mess: the fact that Trayvon never got to present his side, and the idea that the courts weren't making any moves to present it for him. Both sides should be heard, and all the facts taken into account.

"I have no real clue of what you're speaking." - AuRaptor.

"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51196

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:44 PM

Report: Prosecutor to charge Zimmerman in shooting.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/report-prosecutor-to-cha
rge-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin

Press conference expected this afternoon to announce it.

"I have no real clue of what you're speaking." - AuRaptor.

"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51196

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:55 PM

Well, well, thank gawd for small favors. Maybe it will calm things. The way the justice system works, it'll probably be a couple of YEARS before it comes to trial, by which time everyone will have forgotten about it. Will be interesting to see what comes out at trial; I hope it doesn't stir everything up again if they say they can't prosecute him because of "stand your ground". That really needs to be dealt with!

KWICKO

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:30 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimm
erman-idUSBRE83A1ET20120411

Charged with 2nd-Degree Murder, Zimmerman is in police custody at this time.

"I have no real clue of what you're speaking." - AuRaptor.

"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51196

OONJERAH

Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:57 PM

Quote Niki: "First "shaken-baby syndrome" now PTSD...geez. Are they trying to
set him up for some kind of mental defense, or just covering their own asses?
What a mess!"

(Speaking as an average person without a degree in psychology)
George Zimmerman reaks of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

He's no crazier now than he has been for years, but he's under
a huge amount of stress. Makes his disorder(s) more obvious.

Neither he nor his family ever had sense enough to cop to his
problems. This is the result.

. . . . .The worst and most frequent consequence of paranoia is that it's self-fulfilling.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:58 AM

For the record, enough time hasn't elapsed for him to get away with saying he has PTSD, sure he's under acute stress, which can cause symptoms like that and its normal for someone going through court stuff, especially if he shot someone, to be kind of messed up right now, but that doesn't mean anything for the long term.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.