THERE...ARE....FOUR....LIGHTS!

POSTED BY: WULFENSTAR
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WULFENSTAR

Friday, May 25, 2012 9:31 PM (P)

What I hear when I read/hear the liberal "news".

WULFENSTAR

Friday, May 25, 2012 9:35 PM (P)

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 25, 2012 10:33 PM (P)

Stop stealing my lines, Wulf. They'll think you're my sock puppet.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Friday, May 25, 2012 10:45 PM (P)

Quote:
THERE...ARE....FOUR....LIGHTS!

And you'll say that as long as FauxNews tells you to say that, NO MATTER HOW MANY LIGHTS THERE REALLY ARE.

FauxNews: We Distort. You Comply.™

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

WHOZIT

Friday, May 25, 2012 11:10 PM (P)

I'm whozit and I approve this message.....FOUR LIGHTS!

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 25, 2012 11:14 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
THERE...ARE....FOUR....LIGHTS!

And you'll say that as long as FauxNews tells you to say that, NO MATTER HOW MANY LIGHTS THERE REALLY ARE.

FauxNews: We Distort. You Comply.

FOX is the only one who'd accurately report the news. And that annoys Kwickie, greatly.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

WISHIMAY

Saturday, May 26, 2012 2:21 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
FOUR LIGHTS!

Somehow it still seems dim in here...
You mind hittin' the switch? I'm trying ta catch a little shut-eye

KWICKO

Saturday, May 26, 2012 2:30 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
THERE...ARE....FOUR....LIGHTS!

And you'll say that as long as FauxNews tells you to say that, NO MATTER HOW MANY LIGHTS THERE REALLY ARE.

FauxNews: We Distort. You Comply.

FOX is the only one who'd accurately report the news. And that annoys Kwickie, greatly.

Except that studies show that Fox viewers know less about current events than people who watch no news at all. People who watch The Daily Show are better-informed and can answer more news questions correctly than Fox viewers, and that annoys Rappy, greatly.

The truth always does.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Saturday, May 26, 2012 2:38 AM (P)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Stop stealing my lines, Wulf. They'll think you're my sock puppet.

Nah - we realize you're two different people. We also realize you only have one working brain between the two of you!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, May 26, 2012 6:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

But do you know which sci fi classic novel this was almost directly lifted from?

KWICKO

Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

But do you know which sci fi classic novel this was almost directly lifted from?

Is there a YouTube clip of it? Because Wulfie doesn't read; he gets his info only via vidclip.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, May 26, 2012 1:04 PM (P)

You are doubleplusgood, Mr K :)

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 26, 2012 2:41 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Stop stealing my lines, Wulf. They'll think you're my sock puppet.

Nah - we realize you're two different people.

It's funny, because you 'realized' that, yet I keep gettin' accused of making up all these sock puppets.

KWICKO

Saturday, May 26, 2012 3:31 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Stop stealing my lines, Wulf. They'll think you're my sock puppet.

Nah - we realize you're two different people.

It's funny, because you 'realized' that, yet I keep gettin' accused of making up all these sock puppets.

So can you show me any examples of me claiming that Wulfie was your sockpuppet?

If not, are you prepared to retract your baseless claims?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 26, 2012 6:33 PM (P)

So can you show me any examples of me claiming that Wulfie was your sockpuppet?

If not, are you prepared to retract your baseless claims?

Don't have to, as I never claimed YOU were the one to make the sockpuppet charge. Frem did.

*yawn*

Damn son, you've got the reading comprehension skills of a stoned chimpanzee. ( And not a very bright one at that )

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:36 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

So can you show me any examples of me claiming that Wulfie was your sockpuppet?

If not, are you prepared to retract your baseless claims?

Don't have to, as I never claimed YOU were the one to make the sockpuppet charge. Frem did.

*yawn*

Damn son, you've got the reading comprehension skills of a stoned chimpanzee. ( And not a very bright one at that )

Ah, I see - you're in the habit of quoting me when responding to Frem.

Maybe you should stay out of that stoned chimp's stash. You don't have the brains cells to spare.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:51 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah, I see - you're in the habit of quoting me when responding to Frem.

Maybe you should stay out of that stoned chimp's stash. You don't have the brains cells to spare.

I was responding to YOU, dim bulb.

I was referencing Frem's remark ( as well as others ), not RESPONDING to Frem.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

WULFENSTAR

Monday, May 28, 2012 12:22 AM (P)

Just FYI for the somnambulants here...

1. Im not Auraps sock puppet... sorry.

2. If Im not always around to argue with you... well then Im probably out making a positive impact in the world, working, or taking care of my pregnant (beautiful) wife. Its ok if you cannot understand, or grasp, that.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

RIONAEIRE

Monday, May 28, 2012 8:22 PM (P)

That's from 1984 right?

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

NIKI2

Monday, May 28, 2012 8:32 PM (P)

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If Im not always around to argue with you... well then Im probably out making a positive impact in the world

Oh, gawd, the poor little deluded baby, he sure has a grandiose view of himself, doesn't he?!

AURAPTOR

Monday, May 28, 2012 9:11 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
That's from 1984 right?

Never mind.

CUDA77

Monday, May 28, 2012 9:18 PM (P)

Yeah, sorry schmuck, but sitting around watching clips from Mel Gibson movies on YouTube all day doesn't qualify as making a positive impact in the world. Good try though.

Socialist and unashamed.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:34 AM (P)

Poor, deluded Wulfie.

He tries, he really does. But he doesn't even understand his own refrences enough to get that he undermines himself.

In this case, in the story which he refrences - there really were four lights - it was the claim otherwise that was propoganda.

So, yes, Wulfie - you're right. The librul media (I have to chuckle at the simplicity of those who buy that) says there are four lights - because there really are four lights.

You're adorable. Does it hurt, being that stupid?

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:22 AM (P)

It's not 'simplistic ' for anyone to acknowledge that the media are indeed Left leaning. I find it funny that those who deny such feel the need to insultingly claim that anyone who says the Media are liberal to be 'simple'.

There ARE four lights. The media is trying to tell us that there are only 3 lights. And as strong and proud as Jean-Luc Picard is, even he, at the end, admits that he was on the verge of agreeing with his captors, and saying there are only 3 lights.

Funny how you don't get that, Storybook. Guess the message was missed on you. Pity.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:26 AM (P)

Y'all are just hi-larious...

Squabbling over "lefts" and "rights" like kids on a playground arguing over who gets the ball.

I hope this planet does get invaded by aliens, or blown to bits by an asteroid so that in the five seconds before your demise you all can realize just how completely wastefully you've spent your time. Rediculous babbling nonsense.

Since some of you only relate to movie quotes, here's one "The only winning move is NOT TO PLAY!" I'll still do whatever the hell I want no matter which side has the illusion of power today, tomorrow, or forever. Y'all and Obama can sit around measureing Dumbsticks for eternity...

KWICKO

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:16 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's not 'simplistic ' for anyone to acknowledge that the media are indeed Left leaning. I find it funny that those who deny such feel the need to insultingly claim that anyone who says the Media are liberal to be 'simple'.

There ARE four lights. The media is trying to tell us that there are only 3 lights. And as strong and proud as Jean-Luc Picard is, even he, at the end, admits that he was on the verge of agreeing with his captors, and saying there are only 3 lights.

Funny that you don't seem to get that your beloved FauxNews *IS* part of "the media". In fack, they and Murdoch are among the biggest parts of the media.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

NIKI2

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:20 PM (P)

Excellent, Riona (and Magons, for catching it first). It WOULD be Wulf who would only know about the Star Trek version. As with so many morality tales and great movies, and as just about every long-running TV series did, Trek stole the concept from 1984 and ran with it:

Everything old is new again (and Wulf only finds out about it through his love of "heroes"). I kinda like that they do that, as it always brings things back to the conscionsness of the new generations things which previous generations got. I kinda resent the simplistic way they do it sometimes, or how they bend it, but I never minded immediately recognizing where a plot came from.

Of course, the irony IS that the right's favorite "news media" is actually a propaganda tool of Murdoch and the right itself, as has been shown over and over and over. Other media certainly does the same thing, but not to the blatant degree FauxNews does, and THEY usually get called on it and someone gets fired. Righties only watch FauxNews for the most part, so they buy into the "four lights" far more than anyone else, so to use it as an example against the left is hilarious.

Also, of course, the concept has nothing to do with media, but with torture. So is he trying to say the "left-wing media" is TORTURING people into believing there are four lights, or four fingers? Kind of a weird comparison; I think if he'd really tried, and had anything but his vast store of fiction to pick from, he could have done better.

Wonder what Raptor's "never mind" means? Did he realize where the plot actually came from, or that Wulf isn't making a point about indoctrination, but about torture?

All in all, just a thread for our righties to jump on and agree with each other and slap each other on the back, which is why I ignored it, figuring "let them have their fun", until Riona brought up the original. Well done, Riona!

CAVETROLL

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:48 PM (P)

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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Funny that you don't seem to get that your beloved FauxNews *IS* part of "the media". In fack, they and Murdoch are among the biggest parts of the media.

Where can one see this ' FAUX ' news of which you speak ? Is it sorta like The Onion? I've heard of FOX, which matches the description of what Robert Murdoch owns. Unless your typing skills truly are so poor, where as you meant to type FOX instead of FAUX, or 'in fact' instead of 'in fack '?

Yes, FOX news is a small part of the media. And one which hasn't been around for very long, unlike CBS,NBC, ABC, The NYTimes, LA Times, or even CNN.

And Cavetroll, funny! As CNN was founded in Atlanta, which is also the home office of Coca-Cola, it figures they'd prop up Pepsi.

And Niki, I pity you if you think that the rest of the MSM is NOT propaganda for the Left.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:35 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Funny that you don't seem to get that your beloved FauxNews *IS* part of "the media". In fack, they and Murdoch are among the biggest parts of the media.

Where can one see this ' FAUX ' news of which you speak ? Is it sorta like The Onion? I've heard of FOX, which matches the description of what Robert Murdoch owns. Unless your typing skills truly are so poor, where as you meant to type FOX instead of FAUX, or 'in fact' instead of 'in fack '?

Good catch on the typo. That's one in a row for you.

But who is Robert Murdoch? Is he Rupert's smarter brother? Or are your typing skills so poor that you meant to type RUPERT instead of "Robert"?

When I refer to FauxNews, I am of course talking about your beloved "FOX". And yes, it's sorta like The Onion, in that they use actual words to describe things. The Onion tends to be closer to the truth in most cases, though. Research shows that those who watch Fox are less informed about current events than those who watch no news at all, and a good deal less informed than those who get their news from The Daily Show.

But since they're entirely slanted to the right, of course you find them to be the only reliable news source. Well, until you have to backpedal and claim that they aren't "news" at all, but "entertainment".

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Yes, FOX news is a small part of the media. And one which hasn't been around for very long, unlike CBS,NBC, ABC, The NYTimes, LA Times, or even CNN.

"A small part of the media," and "one which hasn't been around for very long." Great. So you're saying you give a pass to MSNBC and Huffington Post, right? After all, compared to Fox, they're even smaller, and also haven't been around very long.

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And Cavetroll, funny! As CNN was founded in Atlanta, which is also the home office of Coca-Cola, it figures they'd prop up Pepsi.

And Niki, I pity you if you think that the rest of the MSM is NOT propaganda for the Left.

And Rappy, I pity you if you think Fox ISN'T propaganda for the right.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:44 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's not 'simplistic ' for anyone to acknowledge that the media are indeed Left leaning. I find it funny that those who deny such feel the need to insultingly claim that anyone who says the Media are liberal to be 'simple'.

There ARE four lights. The media is trying to tell us that there are only 3 lights. And as strong and proud as Jean-Luc Picard is, even he, at the end, admits that he was on the verge of agreeing with his captors, and saying there are only 3 lights.

Ummmm... Wasn't it FIVE lights they were trying to get him to admit to, not THREE?

Are you trying to mislead us and tell us something that's not true, or are your typing skills so poor that you typed "3" when you meant to type "5"?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:57 AM (P)

5 lights, 3 lights. Rupert, Robert... doesn't matter.

I'm still right.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
5 lights, 3 lights. Rupert, Robert... doesn't matter.

I'm still right.

Huh. From the looks of things, you're completely wrong.

And now you're trying to claim that you're "still right".

So how many lights does that make it? Are you saying that 2+2=THREE? Or are you now saying that the number of lights doesn't matter, and that it's whatever you say it is, and that's all that matters?

It's okay for you to admit that you were wrong.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:23 PM (P)

No, I'm completely right.

You're trying to spin things by confusing minor, trivial side issues with the greater point being made.

As is your M.O.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:44 PM (P)

I've never actually watched Star Trek, it's not something that interests me. But, I do live and breathe tvtropes, so I've heard this one before.

My understanding is that Captain Picard was being held captive by some nasties, who were torturing him unto the breaking point to try to get his mind pliable. Their test was that they would flash four lights, and force him to believe there were five.

Captain Picard manages to resist to an extent, even insists there are only four lights. But later on, he admits, in a quiet despair, that at one point, his mind tricked him into seeing five despite his protestations.

Kind of depressing.

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, I'm completely right.

You're trying to spin things by confusing minor, trivial side issues with the greater point being made.

As is your M.O.

I thought this thread was based on the "how many lights are there" meme. You and Wulfie say there are four, not three, not five, but FOUR. And when I point out that you got the details wrong, you say I'm quibbling.

So you're just coming right out and admitting that it really doesn't matter if someone says there are three, four, five, nine, a eleventy-billion lights, none of that matters?

Is that what you're saying?

Or you insinuating that when FauxNews gets the facts and details wrong, they're being "truthy"? Like how when you get things spectacularly wrong, you're not "lying", but if anyone else gets the tiniest thing off by a bit, they're blatantly lying?

Is that your message in this?

You keep insisting that you're completely right, but you've been shown to be completely wrong twice in two posts. So if we're to believe you're "completely" anything, we have to believe that you're completely full of crap.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:05 PM (P)

Jean Luc Picard accurately states that there are 4 lights.

The tormentors tried to make him think there were 5 lights.

Much as the MSM tries to tell the public ( minus the painful use of torture ) that what we SEE isn't what we really see.

That's pretty much the message here. Sorry it doesn't register w/ your feeble mind, Kwickie.

Now, back to your crayons and coloring book.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:33 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Now, back to your crayons and coloring book.

That's particularly hilarious, coming from someone who can't reliably count to five!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Now, back to your crayons and coloring book.

That's particularly hilarious, coming from someone who can't reliably count to five!

Where's your evidence for that ?

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

KWICKO

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:55 PM (P)

This thread.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
This thread.

How so ?

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:33 PM (P)

"I've never actually watched Star Trek, it's not something that interests me. But, I do live and breathe tvtropes, so I've heard this one before.

My understanding is that Captain Picard was being held captive by some nasties, who were torturing him unto the breaking point to try to get his mind pliable. Their test was that they would flash four lights, and force him to believe there were five.

Captain Picard manages to resist to an extent, even insists there are only four lights. But later on, he admits, in a quiet despair, that at one point, his mind tricked him into seeing five despite his protestations.

Kind of depressing."

Exactly.

Yet, DESPITE the constant attempts at brainwashing, DESPITE the constant haranguing and bitching and whining from the liberals/progressives/socialists/communists...

DESPITE the lies, DESPITE the propaganda.............

THERE. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS!

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

M52NICKERSON

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:02 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
DESPITE the lies, DESPITE the propaganda.............

THERE. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS!

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
What I hear when I read/hear the liberal "news".

Yup, dispite all the misinformation from the Right the so called liberal news is still telling the facts.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Yup, dispite all the misinformation from the Right the so called liberal news is still telling the facts.

Like Dan Rather's 'fake but accurate' documents ?

Or how one networked called the 2000 elections, for Gore, before the polls in western FL had closed ?

There's bias and spin enough for all, but when the MSM is so vastly outweighed by the Left, the spin they produce gets repeated far more often, and repeated , as 'fact', than anything coming out of FOX.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:58 PM (P)

Actually the analogy is a particularly poor one. Watching the Fox news may be excruciating, but it is nothing being tortured to the point of complete psychological breakdown, where reality becomes distorted. It is, like its predecessor 1984, damning torture and tyranny, but this particular scene is not about the affect of misinformation.

1984 contains many such examples that you might have used. The fact that there is an electronic media system which enables facts to be rewritten after events to show the tyrannical government in a positive light, the manipulation of language to create a universal mind set of the people of Ingsoc, were brilliant and pertinent theories that Orwell put into his narrative and are particularly applicable today. Newspeak is todays soundbites.

NIKI2

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:04 PM (P)

Right on, Magons. But you see, Wulf just looks for something he can use--and since his mentality is superficial, he's only seen or read the superficial. Especially fantasy, science fiction, and anything with a "hero" in it. I'm not sure he's ever even HEARD of 1984, much less is familiar with all the brilliance of it. You will only get the simple and the superficial from both he and Raptor; one should never expect more.

CUDA77

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Right on, Magons. But you see, Wulf just looks for something he can use--and since his mentality is superficial, he's only seen or read the superficial. Especially fantasy, science fiction, and anything with a "hero" in it. I'm not sure he's ever even HEARD of 1984, much less is familiar with all the brilliance of it. You will only get the simple and the superficial from both he and Raptor; one should never expect more.

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This is especially obvious when he brings out things like the speech from Braveheart. You know, the movie where in the end, Mel Gibson is brutally tortured and killed? Lot of good his words did him there, eh? I bet he worked all day on that speech.

Socialist and unashamed.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:20 PM (P)

Whoa now. I'll grant you the historical accuracy of the movie was dubious, but let's not be mocking the Scottish Struggle for Independence in front of someone from Clan Chattan.

NIKI2

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:59 PM (P)

Byte, I've never equated Braveheart with anything actually historical, but with the ego of Mel Gibson and Hollywoodized, fictional history. So have no fears on my account. ;o)

NIKI2

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:00 PM (P)

There is certainly bias and spin enough to go around on both sides, but it takes someone totally insane, after all that's been proven, to think FauxNews is an actual NEWS station.

So, just for the fun of it:

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Shortly after 6 p.m. two waves of exit polls from the Voter News Service (a consortium set up by the major TV networks and Associated Press) showed the Florida vote going for Democratic candidate Al Gore. John Ellis received a call from the Bush campaign in Austin and told them the bad news. At 7:52 p.m. the major networks, including Fox, called Florida for Gore http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/fox-n17.shtml

You wanna learn about how they rigged THAT one, try the article at the website.

As to poor Rather, he was royally screwed--as he should have been for broadcasting material that hadn't been properly checked out. That doesn't change what really happened, which many have investigated and one has to choose whether to believe or disbelieve that particular "conspiracy theory". You have to make up your own mind on that one.

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It turned out that George W. Bush, at the time a senior staff member in his father's campaign, had served in the same Houston unit as Lloyd Bentsen III and was recruited the same year by the same man, Colonel Walter "Buck" Staudt. That unit, the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, tasked with defending the Gulf Coast, was well-known as a "champagne unit" because it housed not only Bentsen and Bush but a number of other sons of the Texas elite, such as John Connally III, son of the former Texas governor and Nixon treasury secretary; Al Hill, the grandson of oil tycoon H.L. Hunt; and several members of the Dallas Cowboys.

(T)the timing and circumstances of Bush's entry into the Guard were enough to raise eyebrows. In February 1968, three months before Bush graduated from Yale, the Tet offensive left more than five hundred U.S. soldiers dead in a single week. That same month, Walter Cronkite famously declared the Vietnam War "mired in stalemate" just as President Lyndon Johnson canceled draft deferments for most graduate students. Days before he would become subject to the draft, Bush, whose father was then a U.S. congressman from Houston, won a coveted slot as a pilot in the 147th.

Bush maintains he simply interviewed with Staudt and was accepted on the spot. That may be true, but it would be hard to argue that there weren't more-qualified candidates: Bush received the lowest acceptable score on his pilot aptitude test.

In 1988 Staudt, by most accounts a bullying, cigar-chomping autocrat, told reporters that there had been no "hanky-panky" involved in getting Bush and Bentsen into the Guard, and he repeated that defense in 2000. But suspicion was not unwarranted. There was a long list of men trying to get into the Texas National Guard. And several months after Bush entered, Staudt paid a visit to Washington, D.C., and lobbied the elder Bush for funding for Ellington Air Force Base, in Houston, making sure to update him on how well his son was doing.

(T)he man who would sit at the center of the Guard story, Ben Barnes, then the Speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, has said he regularly fielded requests for entry into the National Guard, and after assessing the trade-in value of the favor, he would pass them on to Rose to sign off on. It was on Rather's infamous 60 Minutes segment, in 2004, that Barnes first publicly recounted how he had called General Rose on behalf of George W. Bush in the spring of 1968. Barnes claimed he had received a call from Sid Adger, an oilman in Houston who was a close friend of the elder Bush's. As it happened, both of Adger's sons were also in the Air National Guard in Houston, under Staudt's command. Barnes told me that in the late seventies, while he and Adger served on the board of Texas International Airlines, Adger personally thanked him for help

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:02 PM (P)

Ah. Fair enough then.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:01 AM (P)

Man, now I feel dumb, I could have sworn that there was something very like that in the 1984 movie. I guess I need to go back and watch it again, or maybe read the book. I love TNG too, so I feel dumb for not remembering that, once someone said it I recalled it.

I'm the type of person who wouldn't last well under torture, there are as many lights as you want, I'll give in on that score to save my energy for holding out against the big things. Yes I know its about gradualness, but there are things I hope never to move on so I'll give in on the little things if need be. But hopefully that won't happen to me, but you just never know with the way the world is going today. My dad waterboarded himself in the bathtub once, it scared the crap out of him and he had a new appreciation for how hard it would be to not give in when being tortured.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

1KIKI

Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:37 AM (P)

"... but there are things I hope never to move on .."

You should read "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number" or watch "A Dry White Season", or perhaps "Brazil" - knee vs electric drill, tho I have to warn you "I had a complication of my complication" will probably be the thing that sticks in your head.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:55 AM (P)

Quote:
from Goldstein's book] "In accordance to the principles of Doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labor. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. And its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact.

Sound familiar?

Here's another

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"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?… Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?…The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." - Syme

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:46 PM (P)

New Speak = texting, I avoid engaging in shortened talking like that, mainly because of 1984 honestly. You'd be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't, how many people think text speak is acceptable as a communication medium in non texting situations. Grrrrrrrrr.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:16 PM (P)

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CUDA77

Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:01 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Whoa now. I'll grant you the historical accuracy of the movie was dubious, but let's not be mocking the Scottish Struggle for Independence in front of someone from Clan Chattan.

Apologies Byte. Wasn't meaning to insinuate anything negative historical wise with my example. Just was touching on Niki's point about Wulf's habit posting up heroic-sounding soundbytes and buzzwords without actually bothering to take a second and actually think about the context and/or results that followed the rousing speech. Braveheart was just the one I gleaned onto because I know Wulf's posted it before and even without seeing the film, I know what the end result is. Had I actually taken the time to dive into the archives, I'm sure I could have found a dozen or so other examples that proved my point.

Socialist and unashamed.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:23 PM (P)

Historically accurate or not I love Braveheart. and even though no one was using blue paint by that time ... wow, I approve most behemently. :)

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:28 PM (P)

Well. It's true that there's a somewhat unfortunate context in that the rousing speech in Braveheart about "they can take our lives but they can never take our freedom" ends with William Wallace being captured and executed (took both his life AND his freedom).

The actual battle was less about Hollywood military tactics and honour and valour and more about the Scottish tendency to fight a bit dirty. See, there was this bridge (which was nowhere in the film), and the English expected that the Scots would politely let them cross before commencing battle. Instead, the Scots waited for the British to start crossing and then started killing them when their army was split into manageable chunks.

But, there's a broader picture there too, in that the resistance of that time actually managed to keep Scotland sovereign for a couple centuries until the 1600s, when the Scottish pet king James took the throne and united the three nations. And Longshanks WAS a genocidal bastard, you should see what he did to Wales.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:37 PM (P)

That's not fighting dirty, that's fighting smart. Lining up on a field is the dumb way to fight. I was raised in a very pro guerilla warfare household, attack when they're not ready, attack when _you decide to attack, not when they want you to, use your terrain and your knowledge of it against them. If you're invading and not defending, make sure to understand their terrain better than they think you will. And always kill their leader as soon as you can.

Byte, there's a book that I loved in my girlhood called "The King's Swift Rider" about this time period, takes place after Wallace's death. Lots of fun to read, about the Bruce's young spy Martin (a novel). My favorite novel about that time period.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:19 PM (P)

That wasn't at all a negative endorsement of fighting dirty under the standards of any period of time. Trickery and deception was how scotsmen won most of their fights.

KWICKO

Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:25 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
New Speak = texting, I avoid engaging in shortened talking like that, mainly because of 1984 honestly. You'd be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't, how many people think text speak is acceptable as a communication medium in non texting situations. Grrrrrrrrr.

^ Like.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

I'm regularly told that I'm far too wordy. And I don't really care. I use as many words as I feel I need to use to get my point across, and I won't edit myself to pander to another's laziness.

RIONAEIRE

Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:04 PM (P)

I knew you didn't mean it as a bad thing Byte, you're too smart to have meant that. I'm just saying that fighting dirty = fighting logical.

The few times I've tried online dating (the only way I can seem to get dates) I've stopped writing to men who can't write a decent letter and use lots of LOLs for no apparent reason, I don't have time for that sort of incompetance.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

SIGNYM

Friday, June 1, 2012 8:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Yet, DESPITE the constant attempts at brainwashing, DESPITE the constant haranguing and bitching and whining from the Republicans/tea-partiers/necons/troglodytes/fascists..

DESPITE the lies, DESPITE the propaganda.............

THERE. IS. GLOBAL. WARMING!

In language that maybe Wulf might understand.

KWICKO

Friday, June 1, 2012 4:18 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Yet, DESPITE the constant attempts at brainwashing, DESPITE the constant haranguing and bitching and whining from the Republicans/tea-partiers/necons/troglodytes/fascists..

DESPITE the lies, DESPITE the propaganda.............

THERE. IS. GLOBAL. WARMING!
In language that maybe Wulf might understand.

He and Rappy will remain incapable of understanding facts no matter what language you use, at least until Fox admits that there is global climate change.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy