Let's Try to Offend Kwicko!

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KWICKO

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:22 PM (P)

Taking up the challenge posed by Pizmo, to see if I can be offended.

Any takers?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:25 PM (P)

Hmmmmm... I was under the impression that 90% of my posts offended you Kwick ;)

Guess I'm in the clear then?

WHOZIT

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:34 PM (P)

The 1970 Buick GS with the 455 ci Stage 1 engine is the greatest Muscle Car of all time....it's a fact!

And Obama sucks.

KWICKO

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:39 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hmmmmm... I was under the impression that 90% of my posts offended you Kwick ;)

Guess I'm in the clear then?

You are in the clear. Your posts don't offend me so much as annoy and puzzle me. On the one hand, you SEEM like a fairly intelligent sort... but on the other hand, you post some of the whackiest stuff this side of PN.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

WISHIMAY

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:43 PM (P)

Fiestaware is ugly and chips easily, also one color was radioactive...

Corelle4life

NIKI2

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:50 PM (P)

I thought about it for a minute, just for fun, but gave up. I've never seen you "offended" Mike, and have rarely been so myself. "Annoy" and "puzzle" fit perfectly for me, too--nobody here is important enough to hate or be offended by very often, and from what I've seen, you're perfectly capable of giving as good as you get--and have never shown squeamishness and what you "get".

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 15, 2012 11:58 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You are in the clear. Your posts don't offend me so much as annoy and puzzle me. On the one hand, you SEEM like a fairly intelligent sort... but on the other hand, you post some of the whackiest stuff this side of PN.

Cool

A lifestyle of Wacky has overall worked for me so far, so you'll understand when I just keep right on going with it. Sorry that you find it all annoying.

Glad you're not offended though!

CUDA77

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:02 AM (P)

If that doesn't offend you, nothing will.

Socialist and unashamed.

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:06 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Fiestaware is ugly and chips easily, also one color was radioactive...

Corelle4life

... and I've got quite a bit of the radioactive red, too! We still use it regularly. It offends collectors that my cats eat their food out of vintage Fiesta, but they haven't managed to chip any of it yet.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:13 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Cuda77:

If that doesn't offend you, nothing will.

Ouch, Cuda - that was a bit below the belt! That's about as close as I've come to being offended so far, but it saddens me more than offends me.

On one of the facebook groups I'm in, somebody put up a screenshot of a post on Orly Taitz's facebook page. It didn't last long, of course, given the image: a woman with a banana stuck up her ass so that only the stem was visible, with the caption "This shit is bananas!" The image, with that caption, posted on Orly Taitz's website, really busted me up. In poor taste? Definitely. But I wasn't offended.

Maybe I'm jaded.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:21 AM (P)

Let's see.

Dumbass! Jerk ! Goofball! Bozo!

Competition!! ( I still want that job as the left wing PN.)

Nah, didn't do any good. :<)

Hey, the hint box with the emoticons has vanished.

was it ?

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:27 AM (P)

The fact that you ignored my reply offends me, but I understand, you live in a place with no indoor plumbing and you use pictures of Obama as TP. I understand, bite me.

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:40 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The fact that you ignored my reply offends me, but I understand, you live in a place with no indoor plumbing and you use pictures of Obama as TP. I understand, bite me.

Oh, darn - I promise I did not ignore you, Zit. I wrote a rather lengthy reply, but looks like the forum gnomes ate it.

Anyhoo, a case can be made for the GS as the greatest muscle car, but it was never my personal favorite. Friend of mine wrecked one when we took it on a test drive in high school - he floored it, it got away from him, and he hit a line of parked cars.

And Obama can indeed suck at times.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Let's see.

Dumbass! Jerk ! Goofball! Bozo!

Competition!! ( I still want that job as the left wing PN.)

Nah, didn't do any good. :<)

Hey, the hint box with the emoticons has vanished.

was it ?

It made me

. :)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

GEEZER

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:06 AM (P)

Only a blithering idiot would drive the slow, ugly, ill-designed, rustbucket deathtrap known as the Honda CRX.

Select to view spoiler:

Yeah. I have one too, but mine's a racecar!!

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:16 AM (P)

You hate Firefly!

NIKI2

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:23 AM (P)

I think Cuda gets the prize thus far, and Magons, saying he hates Firefly wouldn't offend him...them might be fightin' words, but offensive? Nah...NOTHING having to do with Firefly would ever be offensive (I hope I'm not tempting anyone...!).

I guess closest might be something along the lines of "You're not worthy of being a Browncoat" or "Firefly sucked!" or something, but he wouldn't take it seriously.

Interesting efforts, nonetheless.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:23 AM (P)

Mike, you are a leftie lapdog, a dopey conspiracy theorist, and an all-around hater of America in all its imperialistic glory.
You suck like Angel before he got a soul, and are a stupid as Jayne in Ariel.
And you are not fit to wipe 'Rappy's bulls**t-stained shoes.

I did my best here...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

NIKI2

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:25 AM (P)

Ahhhh, life is right again. It's good to see the "old" Chris back in good form... ;o)

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:34 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Only a blithering idiot would drive the slow, ugly, ill-designed, rustbucket deathtrap known as the Honda CRX.

Select to view spoiler:
Yeah. I have one too, but mine's a racecar!!

One of mine was, as well. But it was the first-generation CRX. You know, the GOOD one for racing, the one that ruled the Firestone Firehawk series back in the day! :)

Neither of my remaining CRXs have rust, though, but thanks.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:36 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Ahhhh, life is right again. It's good to see the "old" Chris back in good form... ;o)

It is, isn't it? Almost feels like we're getting the old band back together, eh?

And Chris, thanks for the kind thoughts.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:48 AM (P)

Mike, you NEED to develop more empathy towards the men of lesser steel than yourself that cower at authority & need to follow the path of least political resistance.

*ugh* that was hard... hope I offended ya,,,

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Taking up the challenge posed by Pizmo, to see if I can be offended.

Any takers?

I got one....

YOUR MOTHER SUCKS COCKS IN HELL!!!!!

LOL...

Nah... I'm just kidding man... She's sitting on my lap right now.

We know she isn't, but she totally would..... 32 and a six pack and a house.... If she's good looking at all, she might be the cougar I'm looking for :)

ANTHONYT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:39 AM (P)

Hello,

A thread with the express purpose of offending Mike, endorsed by Mike?

And now some horrid expletives have been used in the latest round of attempts.

I feel secure that I can say something offensive not only to Mike, but even to myself.

Firefly was a drab, boring, overrated blemish on the airwaves that deserved its young death. Its cancellation was possibly one of the few good decisions Fox has ever made. The desire by a tiny minority of 'fans' to keep it alive is both sad and pathetic. The meagre careers that the actors of the show have managed to finagle for themselves is impressive considering the lingering stench of this bad sci-fi production- one that ranks with Sharktopuss in the bad sci-fi hall of fame. The sooner Firefly is forgotten, the better off the landscape of human artistic expression will be. The people who participated in the show need to stop listing it on their resumes and hope nobody remembers what they once stooped to. As for the sequel movie, its only highlight was the death of the irritating 'plucky comic relief' pilot who stood out throughout the show's thankfully brief run like puss on a pimple.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I got one....

That's SO wrong, Six....

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
As for the sequel movie, its only highlight was the death of the irritating 'plucky comic relief' pilot who stood out throughout the show's thankfully brief run like puss on a pimple.

Tony, do you WANT us to hire a hit man, man?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

ANTHONYT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Tony, do you WANT us to hire a hit man, man?

Hello,

It was the most offensive thing I could think of.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

CHRISISALL

Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:29 AM (P)

Most effective from my POV.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:15 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:
Tony, do you WANT us to hire a hit man, man?

Hello,

It was the most offensive thing I could think of.

--Anthony

Yeah, that was pretty good. Or bad. Damned close to offensive, even, but I've met people who didn't get Firefly at all. I pity them their ignorance. :)

Jack, I hope you like 'em skinny; my mom' likely little more than bones and a bit of dried leathery skin after this long feeding the worms! Telling an atheist their mother is in hell is like saying telling you your mother's gone to Santa Claus. It can't be offensive because it's just nonsensical. Nice try, though!

So far Anthony's probably come closest.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

WISHIMAY

Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:45 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Jack, I hope you like 'em skinny; my mom' likely little more than bones and a bit of dried leathery skin after this long feeding the worms!

But... she's on his lap ... *wretch

I'm slightly offended...Jack, I know yer desperate, but necrophilia is soo unbecoming...

I'm not sure this thread could degenerate any further...what's past necrophilia???

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The fact that you ignored my reply offends me, but I understand, you live in a place with no indoor plumbing and you use pictures of Obama as TP. I understand, bite me.

Oh, darn - I promise I did not ignore you, Zit. I wrote a rather lengthy reply, but looks like the forum gnomes ate it.

Anyhoo, a case can be made for the GS as the greatest muscle car, but it was never my personal favorite. Friend of mine wrecked one when we took it on a test drive in high school - he floored it, it got away from him, and he hit a line of parked cars.

And Obama can indeed suck at times.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

Were you stoned when you wrote this? You seemed too happy.

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:12 PM (P)

In Austin TX all they have are Steers and Queers, this makes you a "Gay Cow"... moo.

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:03 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Jack, I hope you like 'em skinny; my mom' likely little more than bones and a bit of dried leathery skin after this long feeding the worms!

But... she's on his lap ... *wretch

I'm slightly offended...Jack, I know yer desperate, but necrophilia is soo unbecoming...

I'm not sure this thread could degenerate any further...what's past necrophilia???

Have to talk to Jack about that - he said he doesn't want a wife who gets fat on him, so he may have found his dream girl!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:04 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
In Austin TX all they have are Steers and Queers, this makes you a "Gay Cow"... moo.

My neighbors have horses; their horses say "Nay" to your assertions. :D

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

PIZMOBEACH

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:25 PM (P)

Wow - people take to offending with real gusto around here! Some very creative ones too. I think Cuda gets my vote.

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
... is like saying telling you your mother's gone to Santa Claus...

I find the grammar of that sentence to be borderline offensive - especially coming from a spelling fairy.

Maybe the trick is only Kwicko can offend Kwicko?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

NIKI2

Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:52 PM (P)

Quote:
Mike, you NEED to develop more empathy towards the men of lesser steel than yourself that cower at authority & need to follow the path of least political resistance.

Chris: One problem. This is straight out of our "old Chris" and Mike would know it, so he couldn't possibly take offense.

Anthony, that's a good one, but it wouldn't even offend me if someone said it to me IRL. I'd just walk away sadly, shaking my head at the person's ignorance and what they had missed because of it. Ooops, guess that was Mike's reaction too, I see.

Cuda's wasn't actually offensive, as the message was screw TV for keeping such shit on forever while they cancel the few shining bits of gold we find.

Six is just an ass. Period. This was all in good fun; his wasn't. But kudos, Mike; either you know it's said to BE offensive or you've grown or something. I seem to remember something said about your mother that really pissed you off a while ago.

Too bad Kane isn't here (no, wait, WHAT did I say???). I'm sure he could have come up with something that would offend just about EVERYONE. That was his special genius...tho' Six will do, in his absence.

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:09 PM (P)

The Delta Wing Nissan is parked at Le Mans, I laugh at your pain

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:54 PM (P)

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:57 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
The Delta Wing Nissan is parked at Le Mans, I laugh at your pain

Is it? I'm watching on DVR, about an hour delayed from the start. I saw an incident with the DeltaWing where another car crashed heavily trying to get around it on the outside, but so far the DeltaWing is still going.

Still, it's not intended to win, and it really hasn't been raced before this, so I had doubts it would even finish, so it's hard to be offended by that. I have doubts about the Toyota TS-030s finishing the race as well, but they and the Audi e-Tron pair are doing pretty good at the moment, holding the top 4 places overall. Not bad for a bunch of crappy hybrids, eh?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:09 PM (P)

It's only a dream

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:04 PM (P)

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

Firefly was a drab, boring, overrated blemish on the airwaves that deserved its young death. Its cancellation was possibly one of the few good decisions Fox has ever made. The desire by a tiny minority of 'fans' to keep it alive is both sad and pathetic. The meagre careers that the actors of the show have managed to finagle for themselves is impressive considering the lingering stench of this bad sci-fi production- one that ranks with Sharktopuss in the bad sci-fi hall of fame. The sooner Firefly is forgotten, the better off the landscape of human artistic expression will be. The people who participated in the show need to stop listing it on their resumes and hope nobody remembers what they once stooped to. As for the sequel movie, its only highlight was the death of the irritating 'plucky comic relief' pilot who stood out throughout the show's thankfully brief run like puss on a pimple.

--Anthony

Six men with a Callahan full bore autolock are going to come visit you to discuss your opinion...

And more of us than have tried to offend Kwicko are offended at you.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:50 PM (P)

Kwicko is a blindly partisan hypocritical troll, IMHO.

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 PM (P)

My penis is much larger then Kwicko's which is very small, then again you could say EVERYONE'S penis is bigger then his.....funny.

WHOZIT

Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:13 PM (P)

Let's all laugh at Kwickos tiny penis.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:44 PM (P)

Least I know HE'S been hittin something with it as he's married... When's the last time you went troll-humping??
Dragged something to yer cave lately??!

NIKI2

Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:56 PM (P)

Too bad, Whatzit...you see, you can't offend ANYONE, because we all know you're incapable of posting anything BUT trash, everything you POST is irrelevant trash and incoherent. You're just irrelevant, that's all. Not at all worth being offended by.

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:59 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

It's only a dream

Taco Bell?

Did you know that if you work at Taco Bell, they give you free...

... diarrhea? (cribbed from Nick Swardson)

KWICKO

Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:06 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Kwicko is a blindly partisan hypocritical troll, IMHO.

It's the popular opinion. But hey, some people like Justin Beiber... so there's no accounting for popularity...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:53 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Jack, I hope you like 'em skinny; my mom' likely little more than bones and a bit of dried leathery skin after this long feeding the worms!

But... she's on his lap ... *wretch

I'm slightly offended...Jack, I know yer desperate, but necrophilia is soo unbecoming...

I'm not sure this thread could degenerate any further...what's past necrophilia???

Damn... can't offend Kwicko but I'm offending innocent by-standards trying...

BYTEMITE

Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:16 AM (P)

Chris: You forget, all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists who represented male power, Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship, and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.

Discuss.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:27 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Chris: You forget, all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists who represented male power, Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship, and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.

Discuss.

Huh?

Zoey is so masculine in the series I expect her to have man parts under her britches.

Simon is so effeminate that I don't know what would surprise me more... Kaylee popping the question to him, or Simon finding his first

to pleasure with his

behind her back.....

The fact that Jayne didn't ever pose a sexual threat to any female on the ship is proof enough of this. If anyone was going to go all "instinctual" it was Jayne.

As for every black character in the Firefly/Serenity universe being a complete nut-job and/or dick... I can't explain that away. I didn't write it.... I just watched it.

Much luv, Operator and Jubal....

BYTEMITE

Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Huh?

http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

Enjoy.

Quote:
As for every black character in the Firefly/Serenity universe being a complete nut-job and/or dick... I can't explain that away. I didn't write it.... I just watched it.

...Yeah, I've actually noticed that with Book's backstory and Jubal and the Operative, Joss is leaning quite a lot on the scary black man archetype. Fair observation.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:01 AM (P)

To take that one step further Niki, Book was always my favorite character, and the fact that he had a meaningless "token" death in the movie REALLY pissed me off.

As great a world as Joss creates in his stories, and as "dynamic" he'd like to make his sycophants believe his characters are, as far as Firefly went, Book was the only character who was "static". Outside of the tv show and movie, I've never exposed myself to anything else in the 'verse, but as awesome as the show was, his was the only character I felt was capable of change.

I'm probably just jaded now. I'm about 2 1/2 seasons deep into "The Vampire Diaries".

If you're looking for a story with plenty of plot twists and static characters and longing for redemption, I can't think of another series on network TV today that would better fit that bill.

Watch the few first episodes and struggle through the teenage high-school aingst..... It turned a lot of people off originally. In the end, the story has nothing to do with the high school and it is all about the mythology of the town itself.

Sure, in this story, a majority of the "Witches" come from a black bloodline, but they aren't talked down to or ridiculed. In the end, they have much more power than the vampires and werewolves and hold their own family well above any struggles they're called upon to fix.

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:
Huh?

http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

Enjoy.

Quote:
As for every black character in the Firefly/Serenity universe being a complete nut-job and/or dick... I can't explain that away. I didn't write it.... I just watched it.

...Yeah, I've actually noticed that with Book's backstory and Jubal and the Operative, Joss is leaning quite a lot on the scary black man archetype. Fair observation.

BYTEMITE

Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:23 AM (P)

Quote:
I'm probably just jaded now. I'm about 2 1/2 seasons deep into "The Vampire Diaries".

Oh FUCK. You win. ABORT!

*tosses "best troll is best" crown at Jack's feet and RUNS*

NIKI2

Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:25 PM (P)

Byte:

Quote:
all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists who represented male power, Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship, and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.

gets my vote; it "sounds" real enough to be an actual diss. I think you bested Six by quite a bit, if we're looking at "classy offensive" material.

Although, I gotta say, if he was SERIOUS and not playing the game, and barring the "classy" part, I might have to rethink that...

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:10 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists

Males are inherently rapists
Quote:
who represented male power
Male power; simplistic & destructive, mostly
Quote:
Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship
More like, Godfather horse-head worship glued to a Trek spaceship...
Quote:
and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.
Oh I SEES that, massa Byte!

BTW, offended yet, Mike?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

KWICKO

Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:55 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
all of the male characters on Firefly were rapists
Males are inherently rapists
Quote:
who represented male power
Male power; simplistic & destructive, mostly
Quote:
Serenity is a symbol of phallic worship
More like, Godfather horse-head worship glued to a Trek spaceship...
Quote:
and the relationship between the black characters and white characters was a call-back to civil war era slavery.
Oh I SEES that, massa Byte!

BTW, offended yet, Mike?

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

Not at all - "Intrigued" would be more the correct word, because I'd never considered those viewpoints, but there is something there.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 18, 2012 2:29 AM (P)

LOL... Wasn't expecting that reply Byte, but wow... I guess you "get it".

I'd never believe I was half as beautiful as anybody male or female in that series since they went to ridiculous lengths to get the most attractive people EVER BORN to play the parts....

But I'm not half bad in the looks department, as normal people go, and I'm kind of the Anti-hero in my own life, if one must label me.

Damon's character speaks to me. I'd be a lot of fun for a night for sure, but would I be around in the morning?

Loyal like a dog when I find something worth being loyal too, until then, it's dog eat dog baby....

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:
I'm probably just jaded now. I'm about 2 1/2 seasons deep into "The Vampire Diaries".

Oh FUCK. You win. ABORT!

*tosses "best troll is best" crown at Jack's feet and RUNS*

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, June 18, 2012 6:24 AM (P)

So, big money question, why do you suppose you can't be offended?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

KWICKO

Monday, June 18, 2012 12:08 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
So, big money question, why do you suppose you can't be offended?

Don't know, but it's been informative watching the responses and learning what others think is "offensive".

Perhaps I've realized that (a) I have no inherent right to not be offended, so whining about things that offend me is just more bitching and moaning, and (b) I've just lost some ability to be shocked at the behavior of my fellow man over the years. I've pretty much seen it all, and it hasn't harmed me.

I am the embodiment of "... but words will never hurt me." They are just words, after all.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, June 18, 2012 2:45 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
So, big money question, why do you suppose you can't be offended?

Don't know, but it's been informative watching the responses and learning what others think is "offensive".

Perhaps I've realized that (a) I have no inherent right to not be offended, so whining about things that offend me is just more bitching and moaning, and (b) I've just lost some ability to be shocked at the behavior of my fellow man over the years. I've pretty much seen it all, and it hasn't harmed me.

I am the embodiment of "... but words will never hurt me." They are just words, after all.

To be fair I don't think any posters were *really* trying to offend you ('cept Jack). I think I could offend you if I really tried, but I really don't want to be offensive! I'd have to offend myself to do it, kind of a conundrum.

Dr. Beach is IN: I thought maybe you'd say that you had things or people in the past that you had invested serious emotions in, that were either broken or taken or lost, and to protect yourself from that pain ever happening again you decided that you just wouldn't invest those kinds of emotions, you'd wrap your psyche in an impenetrable blanket of emotional indifference... can't lose something if you don't have it.
That'll be $100 USD, no checks please.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

NIKI2

Monday, June 18, 2012 3:16 PM (P)

Well, as to why not to be offended, for me at least it's been more about experience on the internet, and having been upset in the past until I finally "got it"--both the concept of Fuckwads on the net and the fact that it's really got nothing to do with ME. Nobody here can hurt me, tho' those I respect can sadden me sometimes by negative statements about me (those I don't respect don't bother me in the least), but that's about it. I don't know any of you IRL, people aren't necessarily the same on the internet as IRL, and nobody here is important enough to my life to have any impact. Dunno about Mike, but that's why I don't get offended.

It's not about having been hurt; I've learned lessons about THAT IRL, but that's a whole different thing for me from the internet.

ANTHONYT

Monday, June 18, 2012 3:22 PM (P)

Hello,

I think this part of the forum largely exists because of behavior that people find offensive. Usually that behavior is being taken by political figures.

If I were a President, I could offend Mike by bombing somebody and asking him to pay for it.

And he'd come here to complain about my offensive acts.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

KWICKO

Monday, June 18, 2012 4:48 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I think this part of the forum largely exists because of behavior that people find offensive. Usually that behavior is being taken by political figures.

If I were a President, I could offend Mike by bombing somebody and asking him to pay for it.

And he'd come here to complain about my offensive acts.

--Anthony

Bingo. It does not offend me when I'm asked to help my fellow man, even at cost to myself. Given the choice, it's the choice I'd make for myself anyway.

It DOES offend me when I'm asked to foot the bill for someone else killing my fellow man who has done nothing to harm me or mine. It's offensive in the same way that the old adage about the Chinese executing prisoners and then billing their families for the bullets used is offensive.

There are a great number of things in this world I find objectionable, or distasteful, but that's pretty much the only thing I find truly offensive: the wholesale, mass killing of others "in my name", and then billing me for the privilege, as if I ever had any fucking say in the matter.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Monday, June 18, 2012 5:29 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Dr. Beach is IN: I thought maybe you'd say that you had things or people in the past that you had invested serious emotions in, that were either broken or taken or lost, and to protect yourself from that pain ever happening again you decided that you just wouldn't invest those kinds of emotions, you'd wrap your psyche in an impenetrable blanket of emotional indifference... can't lose something if you don't have it.

There's something to that, too. In a sense, I had all the humanity burned out of me early on, or at least that's what was attempted. It didn't quite work, though - I merely hid it away and buried it quite deep, but it's still there.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

1KIKI

Monday, June 18, 2012 5:33 PM (P)

"Usually that behavior is being taken by political figures."

I find corporate figures to be much more offensive.

NIKI2

Monday, June 18, 2012 8:43 PM (P)

So Anthony wins. None of the rest of us thought of that; what does that say about us, I wonder? That we thought he'd be offended by personal insults or insults to Firefly, and never thought about what is TRULY offensive in this world? Not just the paying for it, either, but how governments and militaries have the right to massive slaughter. In other words, what's offensive IN REAL LIFE.

Interesting.

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 18, 2012 8:55 PM (P)

Anthony technically tried both, and was successful with his war point. Most of us weren't serious, I was trying to get a reaction out of whoever wanted to take the bait.

KWICKO

Monday, June 18, 2012 11:50 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Usually that behavior is being taken by political figures."

I find corporate figures to be much more offensive.

I find that the latter often gives the orders to the former. If there's killing to be done, it's easier for corporate figures to have political figures give the order than it is for them to do the work themselves. They've even outsources slaughter to the lowest bidder.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:22 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
So Anthony wins. None of the rest of us thought of that; what does that say about us, I wonder? That we thought he'd be offended by personal insults or insults to Firefly, and never thought about what is TRULY offensive in this world? Not just the paying for it, either, but how governments and militaries have the right to massive slaughter. In other words, what's offensive IN REAL LIFE.

Interesting.

I'm not sure what it says about "us" in general, or as a species, but for me, it illustrates quite vividly the idea that words cannot offend me; it's the actions which count. It's not what we SAY that can help or hurt, but rather what we DO.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
It's not what we SAY that can or hurt, but rather what we DO.

Only to a few. Much of the world is not like that. I.E. Hubbs has one a them bumper stickers that says something like that "COEXIST" bumper sticker will get you thrown in jail and beaten in a few countries, and beheaded in a few more...

Remember, 75% of the world is made up of absolute fucking morons, looking for a chance to act on their moronic impulses... Quite a few in this country, too.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I find that the latter often gives the orders to the former. If there's killing to be done, it's easier for corporate figures to have political figures give the order than it is for them to do the work themselves. They've even outsources slaughter to the lowest bidder.

But corporations give us so much more :

Pacific plastic patch

Singapore pollution

Macando oil spill

diseased Gulf of Mexico fish

3rd world slum

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:05 AM (P)

I copied this bit from my favorite advice columnist, Cary Tennis who writes for Salon:

There are structural inequities at the heart of your dissatisfaction.

Maybe what you meant when you said you feel “guilty” about your job was that you feel compassion for all the other people who are being screwed over in this country while you’re not being screwed over quite as visibly as they are.

Well, good morning and smell the coffee! Corporate America is not set up to make workers happy. It was set up to make other people happy — investors and CEOs and people you will never see but who will benefit from your laborious unhappiness.

That is what we celebrate in America; that is what we celebrate when we celebrate wealth. We celebrate a system in which the powerful are legally entitled to exploit and mistreat others so they can become rich. That’s what we celebrate! It’s not personal. It’s business.

... believe me, the system is not going to gladly give you what you want. You are going to have to fight for it. Whether it is expanded human rights, more free time, economic and social justice, environmental protections, a good education for your child, a safe neighborhood: You are going to have to fight for these things.

This doesn’t mean you have to quit your job and camp out at Zuccotti Park (though that wouldn’t be such a bad idea if you didn’t have the baby). (p.s. apropos of nothing, isn’t it cool that Zuccotti Park is on Liberty Street?) It just means don’t blame yourself for feeling bad when you’re being mistreated by an economic system that is fundamentally set up to mistreat you.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:04 PM (P)

1kiki: Not necessarily. The US military and it's contractors are some of the biggest polluters in existence. Incinerators and weapons tests? Chemical dumping? Foreign labour and resource exploitation? They do it all.

And they aren't even required to clean up on the lands they vacate in the US, they call them Formerly Used Defense Sites and they're given to the US Army Corp of Engineers for indefinite "management" while the residents start to get sick (usually cancer) as the land gets developed.

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:15 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
1kiki: Not necessarily. The US military and it's contractors are some of the biggest polluters in existence. Incinerators and weapons tests? Chemical dumping? Foreign labour and resource exploitation? They do it all.

And they aren't even required to clean up on the lands they vacate in the US, they call them Formerly Used Defense Sites and they're given to the US Army Corp of Engineers for indefinite "management" while the residents start to get sick (usually cancer) as the land gets developed.

Yup. This one's an eye-opener:

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Body-Burden-Growing-Nuclear/dp/030795563X

Listened to an interview with the author yesterday, and it was pretty freaking chilling.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:30 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm not sure what it says about "us" in general, or as a species, but for me, it illustrates quite vividly the idea that words cannot offend me; it's the actions which count. It's not what we SAY that can help or hurt, but rather what we DO.

So what exactly has Auraptor done, which actions specifically, do you find so offensive?

KWICKO

Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:13 PM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:

So what exactly has Auraptor done, which actions specifically, do you find so offensive?

What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?

Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:42 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?

Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

Just assumed your vigourous attacks against both Auraptors positions and his character where based on something more substantive than simple amusement.

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:21 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?

Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

Just assumed your vigourous attacks against both Auraptors positions and his character where based on something more substantive than simple amusement.

Hello,

I actually assumed the same thing. Attacking someone for amusement is not the sort of behavior I would have associated with Mike.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:47 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What is it, exactly, that makes you think Rappy has offended me?

Amused me, certainly; been the butt of many jokes, most assuredly; but offended me? Hardly.

Just assumed your vigourous attacks against both Auraptors positions and his character where based on something more substantive than simple amusement.

Ah, but you've posted before that you yourself will attack me for no other reason than that I rub you the wrong way.

Are you saying it's okay when you do it, but not when others do it? Do you run the rest of your life by the same kinds of double standards?

I spend some of my time correcting Rappy's many, many, many errors of fact, misstatements, disinformation, and outright lies, so that others won't accept what he says as fact without at least thinking it through.

If you find his constant lying to be offensive, then by all means, be offended. I find it to be his normal state of being, but you can call it what you will. I promise not to be offended. ;)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:55 AM (P)

Quote:
I spend some of my time correcting Rappy's many, many, many errors of fact, misstatements, disinformation, and outright lies, so that others won't accept what he says as fact without at least thinking it through.

Hello,

This is more substantive than mere amusement.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:58 AM (P)

Quote:
Ah, but you've posted before that you yourself will attack me for no other reason than that I rub you the wrong way.

Are you saying it's okay when you do it, but not when others do it?

Hello,

One could argue (and I shall) that 'offense' and being 'rubbed the wrong way' are two points on the same continuum.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:24 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:
Ah, but you've posted before that you yourself will attack me for no other reason than that I rub you the wrong way.

Are you saying it's okay when you do it, but not when others do it?

Hello,

One could argue (and I shall) that 'offense' and being 'rubbed the wrong way' are two points on the same continuum.

--Anthony

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

As one could argue that being intrigued and being amazed are points on the same line as well.

Can a thing annoy me without rising to the level of offending me or appalling me? Can I find a thing unpleasant without finding it torturous?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:46 AM (P)

You all do realize, of course, that by giving Kwick over 80 posts in the RWED, much more posts than the Average RWED lifespan is, especially on a meaningless thread, that everyone here, male and female, has basically licked his balls either literally or metaphorically speaking.... (And that he's no doubt masturbated countless times from the attention he doesn't ever get otherwise in real life)

Right?

BTW.....

Your balls are too fucking salty Kwick...

You need to watch your Sodium intake....

I feel like I'm Sea-Biscuit and you're begging to lick my balls without kicking you in the face....

Nobody likes a salty pair of balls dude.....

And seriously man... Shave that shit... It's like living through Harry and the Hendersons in 3D!

I already flossed this morning, I don't need your Slim Jim approved pubes flossing my teeth.

If I'm jonsing for salt, I'll eat that bag of flaming hot Cheetos that's been tempting me for the last 2 hours.

No need to post homophobic posts against this Kwick. Nobody here even questions your sexuality brother

And if you think for a second I would worry about people offending my sexuality after this post.......

Just know that I'm happy wearing my Pink cardigan with 21" muscles on my biceps that are 3" bigger than the waist measurements of my most "dainty" gf back in HS...

Do your best Kwick...

Don't be mad when spend 2 hours with him and I make your Dad worship what's in my pants and I have him eating cock on the subway though

He'll be singing Elton John's "Don't let the sun go down on me" at the local glory hole in no time...

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:55 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup. This one's an eye-opener:

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Body-Burden-Growing-Nuclear/dp/030795563X

Listened to an interview with the author yesterday, and it was pretty freaking chilling.

And yet, it wasn't the military that gave us Three Mile Island, or Chernobyl, or Fukushima. And Fukushima isn't even done yet. It's still humming away, reactor no 2 is spiking hydrogen. And we are one collapsed spent fuel pool away from having an uncontrolled open-air multi-ton reactor in spent fuel pool 4.

Here in California the San Onofre nuclear power plant, shut down after a nearly 2/3 billion overhaul resulted in tube wear that would normally take decades to occur, didn't happen b/c of some evil military operation. It happened b/c somebody wanted to make more money, changed essential designs, and passed them off as 'essentially identical' replacements.

This wasn't the military, it was business.

"Greg Werner, who headed the federal team, says a Mitsubishi computer analysis vastly misjudged how water and steam would flow in the reactors. Also, changes intended to improve manufacturing were never thoroughly reviewed in the context of the generator design ... The disclosure will rivet new attention on a series of alterations to the equipment design, including the decision to add 400 tubes to each generator and installing V-shaped supports that were intended to minimize tube wear and vibration. According to company documents, each of the replacement generators weighed nearly 24 tons more than the original generators.

The generators were designed to meet a federal test to qualify as "in-kind," or essentially identical, replacements for the original generators, which would allow them to be installed without prior approval from federal regulators. Inside the guts of the machinery, the original steam generators and the replacements "look substantially different," Collins says."

Has the military spilled as much oil in its entire existence as the single Macando blow-out?

Does the military pollute the ocean as severely as plastics, or worse, micro-plastics?

Did the military dump 1.3 million pounds of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) into the Hudson River, or anywhere for that matter, the way GE did in its manufacture of capacitors? And that btw is a mere 1/1,000 of the total PCB production in the US, estimated at 1.4 billion pounds, roughly 1/4 of it dumped in waterways and dumps from Waukegan Harbor, Illinois to Stringfellow acid pit in California.

Do either of you have ANY data to back up your claims about the military?

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:04 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
One could argue (and I shall) that 'offense' and being 'rubbed the wrong way' are two points on the same continuum.

Oh well, I gave it my best shot. That Kwicko is a slippery one though.;)

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:19 AM (P)

Quote:
Can I find a thing unpleasant without finding it torturous?

Hello,

Mr. Raptor may not be the best basis for making such a determination.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

ANTHONYT

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:33 AM (P)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup. This one's an eye-opener:

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Body-Burden-Growing-Nuclear/dp/030795563X

Listened to an interview with the author yesterday, and it was pretty freaking chilling.

And yet, it wasn't the military that gave us Three Mile Island, or Chernobyl, or Fukushima. And Fukushima isn't even done yet. It's still humming away, reactor no 2 is spiking hydrogen. And we are one collapsed spent fuel pool away from having an uncontrolled open-air multi-ton reactor in spent fuel pool 4.

Here in California the San Onofre nuclear power plant, shut down after a nearly 2/3 billion overhaul resulted in tube wear that would normally take decades to occur, didn't happen b/c of some evil military operation. It happened b/c somebody wanted to make more money, changed essential designs, and passed them off as 'essentially identical' replacements.

This wasn't the military, it was business.

"Greg Werner, who headed the federal team, says a Mitsubishi computer analysis vastly misjudged how water and steam would flow in the reactors. Also, changes intended to improve manufacturing were never thoroughly reviewed in the context of the generator design ... The disclosure will rivet new attention on a series of alterations to the equipment design, including the decision to add 400 tubes to each generator and installing V-shaped supports that were intended to minimize tube wear and vibration. According to company documents, each of the replacement generators weighed nearly 24 tons more than the original generators.

The generators were designed to meet a federal test to qualify as "in-kind," or essentially identical, replacements for the original generators, which would allow them to be installed without prior approval from federal regulators. Inside the guts of the machinery, the original steam generators and the replacements "look substantially different," Collins says."

Has the military spilled as much oil in its entire existence as the single Macando blow-out?

Does the military pollute the ocean as severely as plastics, or worse, micro-plastics?

Did the military dump 1.3 million pounds of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) into the Hudson River, or anywhere for that matter, the way GE did in its manufacture of capacitors?

Do either of you have ANY data to back up your claims about the military?

Hello,

On the topic of nuclear power plants, there is a very good argument that they exist at least in part to serve military needs. It has been suggested that they would not be particularly profitable without government support, and that the government supported them because of their military applications in refining the fuel for atomic warheads.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:47 AM (P)

You'd have to talk with Eisenhower about that. Whether it was a naïve hope that nuclear fuel was the key to an era of abundance and prosperity, a cynical ploy to spread nuclear capability around the globe to keep Russia in check, or what, exactly isn't at all clear. Whatever his motivation, and whatever the motivation of the adopting countries, his 'Atoms for Peace' program had a lot to do with spreading nuclear technology around the globe.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:50 AM (P)

Hehe....

Everyone so poinintley evaded my topic....

Good for you RWED, for not making any waves...

Don't mind me....

I'm just going to the local glory hole now because Kwick ruined me for any girls in the future.

You tiger, you......

Seriously.... can't figure out why the Girls didn't claim them for themselves.....

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:54 AM (P)

Quote:

Do either of you have ANY data to back up your claims about the military?

Let me put it this way: there is a 20 mile long perchlorate plume from weapons manufacturing and dumping on military owned land to the west of me, and cancer rates up in ogden from the hill air force base PCE plume. All of this is part of the public record and widely acknowledged. Dugway proving grounds have had die offs downwind, and a number of Utahans were downwind from the nuclear testing in the 1950s and have 500x the normal cancer rates. There are military owned and leased lands scattered all around salt lake valley that I've seen sampling data from and I know the soil there is toxic. I've seen EPA cleanup sites and look the other way when they don't clean up to national toxicity screening levels. I know places that people are unaware that they should never, ever grow a garden and eat their own crops due to the soil contamination.

If it is a FUD site, it is contaminated. There are FUD sites in every state, and most active military bases have a contamination plume associated with them - the only difference is for the active bases is that the military hasn't moved away yet.

Based on hazardous waste handling on military bases in the US, is it not a serious jump to think that our foreign bases might look similar. How many entities do you know of that can and do pollute globally, to the point of putting the local population at risk, and are practically immune to being held accountable for it?

But if you want me to confirm the information about the military owned lands, at least in Utah, please follow this elegant link.

http://mapserv.utah.gov/DEQ/

You may run a search on the FUD sites and pull up the sampling data if you don't believe me, a lot of environmental documents are available online. If that doesn't work, you can try www.corpsfuds.org and www.utahfuds.org, though their website can often be slow. In any case, sampling information is available from all three sources, and they're worth a look just to satisfy curiosity.

I also have read enough case studies about military bases in other states, east coast west cast, and in between, to know that this is a widespread problem with military bases in the US in general. Believe me when I say that you could throw a rock and find reports that corroborate my claims - I don't want to post specific studies and reports because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to choose from. The above websites shall therefore serve in this capacity for me.

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Does the military pollute the ocean as severely as plastics, or worse, micro-plastics?

Do you think that our naval ships carry all their waste with them on board until they reach port? When they are sometimes at sea for months at a time? They also burn petroleum based fuel to operate. Naval ships are an obvious contributor to plastics waste, jet fuel, waste oils, chlorinated solvents, and petroleum products in the ocean.

Your example of corporate oil spills are some of the worst industrial disasters I've ever seen, and I concede that, but are you seriously going to defend the US military on, well, ANYTHING? They really are terrible polluters, and I'm amazed we're even arguing about this.

The US gov't does not have a clean environmental record, not by a long shot, and it's even comparable to industrial pollution. I don't really pick sides here, terrible is terrible no matter who's doing it.

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:24 AM (P)

"... there is a 20 mile long perchlorate plume from weapons manufacturing and dumping on military owned land to the west of me ..."

I'll see your 20 and raise you an order of magnitude.

"In 1983, the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) declared a 200-mile (322-km) stretch of the river, from Hudson Falls to New York City, to be a Superfund site requiring cleanup. (due to PCB dumping)"

"I know places that people are unaware that they should never, ever grow a garden and eat their own crops due to the soil contamination."

As do I - every major city, every neighborhood dating back before the 1970's, every thoroughfare, is laced with lead from paint and gasoline. You REALLY don't want to be growing a garden, or even breathing the dust. And this isn't just some isolated spots here or there, it's everywhere: towns, cities, roads across the US and the planet.

I don't want to be arguing this either, especially b/c it's late and I have to go to work tomorrow.

But I can't believe you're giving corporations a pass, on everything from pollution, to species destruction, to overuse, overfishing, overgrazing and overfarming, strip-mining and mountaintop removal and clear-cutting, to impoverishment of billions of people, and the deaths of untold others. More people die from poverty-related disease than from war.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:27 AM (P)

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But I can't believe you're giving corporations a pass, on everything from pollution, to species destruction, to overuse, overfishing, overgrazing and overfarming, strip-mining and mountaintop removal and clear-cutting, to impoverishment of billions of people, and the deaths of untold others.

This is a serious misinterpretation of my argument. I NEVER SAID CORPORATIONS DON'T POLLUTE.

I SAID THAT THE MILITARY POLLUTES ALL AROUND THE WORLD AND THE US AND IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS.

What I said exactly: "The US military and it's contractors are SOME of the biggest polluters in existence."

Not THE, not THE ONLY, but SOME of. And I said that because they ARE.

In fact, most of the worst sites I know of in my area are military. I can tell you that the fall out zone from the Nevada Nuclear Test Site killed and gave radioactive burns to sheep in the Cedar City and Parowan areas 171 and 194 miles away respectively, and had a wide dispersal area due to the aerial distribution, effecting places clear over in Colorado as well as parts of Arizona. The exposed population, as I said previously, has 500x the cancer risk that the regular population has. They set off NINETY of these tests. Ninety incidents over a thirty year period that extrapolating from dispersion distance and symptomology for concentration suggests each one was three times worse than chernobyl. And that wasn't even the only test site they had in the US, they had around fifty of them.

They've used nerve agents and other chemical weapons of war in combat, with such recklessness and so little precaution that our own soldiers have come down with serious illnesses, made worse when they come back to US military bases and lands that have been contaminated to cancer causing levels. They've tested chemicals and biological agents en mass on portions of the US population as well, releasing various pesticides, mosquitos infected with yellow fever, whooping cough, and the bacteria Serratia marcescens over major US cities.

No, the military didn't cause Three Mile Island. What they've done has been SO MUCH WORSE.

And if you want to talk about exploitation of people, what exactly do you think the military is doing with Haliburton in the middle east?

War often causes poverty, imperialism causes poverty, military and corporate power working together causes poverty. Neither side here is innocent.

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You REALLY don't want to be growing a garden, or even breathing the dust. And this isn't just some isolated spots here or there, it's everywhere: towns, cities, roads across the US and the planet.

The site I was referring to has it's residents thinking it was cleaned up and okayed by the EPA for residential use. But it wasn't cleaned up to residential screening levels, the risk assessment didn't factor in garden growth, children, or the elderly. It is unsafe and I anticipate a lot of problems in the future resulting from chronic exposure.

Do the sites you know of have this issue of false safety assurance as well?

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:39 AM (P)

Oh Jack, jealousy does not become you. Start a new thread if you're feeling lonely.

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:05 PM (P)

Kiki, I'm sorry; I didn't realize it was a competition. I had some hopes that we could agree that military AND corporations are both "end polluters", and that neither should be give a free pass.

As the "owners" of the military, we should be able to hold them accountable, at least in theory.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:07 PM (P)

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
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Can I find a thing unpleasant without finding it torturous?

Hello,

Mr. Raptor may not be the best basis for making such a determination.

--Anthony

Touché. Well played, sir. Well played indeed.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:41 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kiki, I'm sorry; I didn't realize it was a competition. I had some hopes that we could agree that military AND corporations are both "end polluters", and that neither should be give a free pass.

As the "owners" of the military, we should be able to hold them accountable, at least in theory.

Yes. Getting actual litigation through and recovering damages from the US Government for this stuff is like pulling teeth though. :/

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:17 PM (P)

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kiki, I'm sorry; I didn't realize it was a competition. I had some hopes that we could agree that military AND corporations are both "end polluters", and that neither should be give a free pass.

As the "owners" of the military, we should be able to hold them accountable, at least in theory.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

As long as people claim THE problem is government I will disagree. The focus on government as THE source of everything bad is simply untrue. Corporations kill more people, pollute more, and create more misery and destruction around the globe than the military ever has.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:12 PM (P)

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As long as people claim THE problem is government I will disagree. The focus on government as THE source of everything bad is simply untrue. Corporations kill more people, pollute more, and create more misery and destruction around the globe than the military ever has.

If this is actually your attempt to try to offend Kwicko, I will congratulate you and say that I am impressed.

I don't believe I or Kwicko ever said that THE problem is government. I can speak for myself when I say that I think our government is A problem (specifically government corruption), and along with greed (both corporate and not), it is one of the two MAIN problems that we're up against. It seems to me they can not be disconnected from the other.

When you look at the Roman empire, which existed before corporations, what exactly do you see? Stratified society maybe? Slaves? Poverty? Immense gaps in the wealth between the classes? Where do you think the slaves came from, in the Roman times? Who was forcing them to work?

What is forcing people to work nowadays? What is the punishment for not working? Not being able to purchase food, yes, but what else? What principle drives the sweatshop worker in China and the cubicle dweller in America?

Now, regulation: what is the employment and turnover rate between the government and government regulators and corporations? Might there be a reason I don't trust our current standard of regulation whatsoever?

But no, apparently because I don't like how this socio-economic system works or how this form of government gets things done, I fully approve of the murders and exploitation that big corporations get away with, and because you disagree with me, apparently the murders and exploitation the military and government get away with are somehow less important.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:37 PM (P)

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Oh Jack, jealousy does not become you. Start a new thread if you're feeling lonely.

Yep, thinking he was drunk.... No one uses the word BALLS that many times in a post unless they are drunk

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