Presidential Debate

POSTED BY: WULFENSTAR
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WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:38 PM

"The god Obama" vs the people.

Not that Romney or the GOP actually represent the people.

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:50 PM

Presidential.

Hey Wulf. Yeah, neither of them really represent me either.

How's your girl? Both of them?

STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:59 PM

Ah, the simpleton keeps the "God" bullshit running. Big shocker.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:12 PM

My little one is doing fine (doc says she may end up being about 6ft tall!). Alpha female is doing fine as well, getting awards and such for helping wounded vets.

neither represents all of the people. But seriously... i think we are done with socialism, communism and the same people who represented all the is wrong with human beings.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=536_1347222326

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
i think we are done with socialism

I agree, since only a child or one who gets all their info from the right wing echo chamber could ever call some of the lowest taxes in history, and the greatest corporate profits to boot - "socialism".

So, yes, we are done, in that we never got there.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:21 PM

Quote:
Alpha female is doing fine as well, getting awards and such for helping wounded vets.

Oh neat. PTSD? Injuries? Training therapy dogs?

Heh, betcha a fluffy cuddly friend would go over well with your kid.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:26 PM

She actually gets wounded and returning vets jobs.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:37 PM

I'm expecting this first debate to be won by Obama. The harsh reality for me is that Romney has big trouble thinking on his feet, as he's not very glib. He's also not a great campaigner, and I see no way he can defeat Obama. He and everyone else in Repub. presidential politics still haven't figured out how to combat the loyal Obama press. They don't seem to grasp the first rule of war....know the difference between a friend and a foe.

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

NIKI2

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:42 PM

Oh good gawd, Wulf is back...with his inane videos having nothing to do with anything, which (I guess) he intends to make some kind of point or other. Certainly didn't miss THAT!

Wulf, will you ever get to the point where you can speak for yourself, rather than plastering up fantasy videos that mean nothing? Would be nice...

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:50 PM

I never got how liberals can ever claim the high ground on any argument. They've represented the worst is all of history. Supported the Klan, supported Prohibition, against our involvement in WW2, spit on our Vietnam vets, are for gun-control, big government, free speech suppression, controlling what you eat or drink, ... I could go on.

Really, how do people keep falling for them?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 6:57 PM

They're indoctinated from grade school thru college. Another generation or two and there will be no conservatives anymore in America. After Romney loses, there may not be any Republican Party anymore either. And right-wing radio along with Sean Hannity tv will also be made moot once again.

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:01 PM

lol There will always be people who stand against the dark.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

KWICKO

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
I never got how liberals can ever claim the high ground on any argument.

Really, how do people keep falling for them?

By seeing what conservatives have to offer.

Quote:
There will always be people who stand against the dark.

Yes; they're called "liberals". After all, it wasn't called "The Enlightenment" because of all the conservative thought that sprang up during the era...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:28 PM

Kwicko,

Your philosophy stood (and stands) for the subjugation of people. You, personally, would hand over your sovereign nature to be trampled on by the state at every turn. Yet, you and yours, still garner support. How is that?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

KWICKO

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Kwicko,

Your philosophy stood (and stands) for the subjugation of people. You, personally, would hand over your sovereign nature to be trampled on by the state at every turn. Yet, you and yours, still garner support. How is that?

Sorry, you have me confused with a Republican/conservative. You're the guys with the Klan on your side, the neo-Nazis, etc.

And you're the one who keeps whinging about "states' rights", so don't try to tell me about turning over your "sovereign nature" (whatever the hell that's supposed to be) to "the state".

You support paying women less for doing the exact same job (hence, subjugating them) and doing away with all women's rights to decide when or whether to bear children. That is subjugation. You want men, and ONLY men, to decide what happens to women, and even to decide whether or not a woman has been "legitimately" raped. That is your party's stance. That is who you vote for because it is how you think.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:22 PM

I forgot how deeply stupid this motherfucker is.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:56 AM

STORYMARK

"I forgot how deeply stupid this motherfucker is."

Shut up Story/Loki. You and your kind are barely worth a response.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

KWICKO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

You and your kind are barely worth a response.

And yet, here you are. Responding.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:48 AM

Just saw it- Romney was so full of repetitive shit (he did make a couple of points though) that he will of course sway the dopey electorate.

We are doomed.

Celebrate, AU.

Or do I underestimate the American peeps?

KWICKO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:04 AM

Why was he crying? It looked like he was about to start bawling at any moment.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:33 AM

I didn't watch, I only caught the last 10 minutes so on the radio. But Romney made a lot of promises and sounded confident, and Obama said "uh" a few hundred times. I wondered what was wrong with him; he's usually much quicker on his feet. Anyway, I give this one to Romney in appealing to the undecideds. What do YOU think?

HERO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
We are doomed.

Celebrate, AU.

Or do I underestimate the American peeps?

Mormons don't drink beer or sugary sodas, but apparently there is no shortage of whoop-ass and Romney opened a whole case tonight.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

ROCKETJOCK

Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR: Supported the Klan...

Yeah, all those New York Liberals riding the buses down south to show their support of Jim Crow and poll taxes -- HUH?

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...supported Prohibition...

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Bible-belt church activists and pulpit thumpers, not at all -- HUH?

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...against our involvement in WW2...

Yeah, which is why FDR, who built the Arsenal of Democracy and led the lend-lease movement which kept Britain supplied in the darkest days is so well remembered as a voice of conservativism -- HUH?

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...spit on our Vietnam vets...

I'm not even going to waste a "huh" on this one.

It wasn't the liberals who cut VA programs, it was the good solid Republican Burghers who turned their backs when Johnny came marching home.

I recall going on a class field trip to San Francisco International back in 1969 -- the only people I saw greeting returning vets were long-haired types giving them flowers.

Quote:
... I could go on...

You do. Oh, you do.

Quote:
...Really, how do people keep falling for them?

Because not all of us live on Bizarro World. And some of us know how to crack open a history book.

"Us do opposite of all Earthly things. Us hate beauty. Us love ugliness. Is big crime make anything perfect on Bizarro World."
--Bizarro Number One

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, October 4, 2012 3:55 AM

Romney won the debate in a big way, bit it doesn't really matter at all in the end. I remember when Kerry beat incumbent Bush in their first debate because Bush looked tired, un-prepared, and annoyed to have to even be there. So it was with Obama tonite, but bet he'll be better in the next two debates. All would be swell for me and my fellow Conservatives had this been in another decade of time. But as the country is now we may win parts of Congress once in a while, but the Presidency is something that is gone forever for Republicans.

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

ROCKETJOCK

Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:04 AM

As to the debates tonight:

The bar for Romney's performance was set so low that as long as he didn't show up with his pants on backwards and his shoes on his head, it could be counted a "win." On that level, he won, despite dodging any answers of substance and looking as though he'd been popping Ritalin all day.

On the level of anything resembling substance, Obama won on points -- but he did look tired, which the sort of voters who confuse Federal elections with "Dancing With the Stars" might let sway them.

I found it rather amusing when Obama asked why Mitt wasn't giving any details about what he'd replace Obamacare with -- "Is it too wonderful? Is the secret just too wonderful to share?" Priceless.

I came away with the impression that Romney's answer to everything is "Let the states handle it", along with "I have a plan that will work because it's a plan that will work, never mind the details, just trust me." He came across to me as a used-car salesman who'd had one too many cups of espresso that morning . . .

To sum up, Romney didn't shoot himself in the foot tonight, which on the "lowered expectations scale" probably counts as at least a tie. He'll need to do better in the next two if he expects to get off the corner of 47th & Bain, though.

"If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for...but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong. If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way."-- Lazarus Long

TWO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:15 AM

Mitt Romney finally shook the etch-a-sketch tonight and moved to the center. The problem with the move is it's inconsistent with things he's committed himself to previously. Obama wasn't crisp at pointing this out -- going for the capillaries, not Romney's jugular vein.

It's interesting that conservatives who think they don't want Mitt to pivot to the center are clearly elated when he did it and it worked. Romney repeatedly noted that he agreed with Obama on various issues and repeatedly took rhetorically moderate positions. For example: "Regulation is essential. You can’t have a free market work if you don’t have regulation." You sure wouldn't have heard him say that during one of the primary debates.

Romney succeeded in portraying himself as someone who's considerably less conservative than the Mitt Romney who we've seen a lot of over the past 18 months. Whichever Romney shows up in the White House in 2013 if he wins in November, the guy we saw tonight is a much more appealing figure than the guy who was on the trail all summer.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

BYTEMITE

Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:50 AM

Quote:

Mormons don't drink beer or sugary sodas, but apparently there is no shortage of whoop-ass and Romney opened a whole case tonight.

Technically the soda thing changed. The church elders came out just this year and finally said that the line long interpreted as a condemnation of caffeine in general really just applied to hot coffee.

Besides it's not like they didn't just ignore it and drink soda and eat chocolate and drink hot drinks before now anyway.

KWICKO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I didn't watch, I only caught the last 10 minutes so on the radio. But Romney made a lot of promises and sounded confident, and Obama said "uh" a few hundred times. I wondered what was wrong with him; he's usually much quicker on his feet. Anyway, I give this one to Romney in appealing to the undecideds. What do YOU think?

Clearly, the in-the-tank-for-the-left MSM have all graded this one a huge win for Obama. i mean, they have to, being in the tank for him and all...

Right?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

CAVETROLL

Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:40 PM

Even the leftist media can't spin this one hard enough. Even Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow can barely choke out the words to call it a draw. (HAH!) Some draw. The best grade I've seen for Obama is from ABC, 42% think he won the debates (Gosh, that's awfully close to the 47% figure, isn't it?) They must have only been polling blue koolaid drinkers and STILL couldn't pull out a tie!

Obama got Mittslapped. Watch the debate again and notice how red his ears get. He really doesn't like having to go without his teleprompter. He had more talking time than Romney and squandered it on Uhs and Ums before segueing into a story about his grandmother.

As Dennis Miller said, "Obama got owned, refinanced and owned again."

Next we have Captain Math going up against Captain Kangaroo. I can't wait to see the comedy when Smilin' Joe Biden gets away from his handlers. I expect Ryan to vigorously apply the crowbar of truth and logic to Biden's head.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

STORYMARK

Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:16 PM

I'll give it to him - Romney owned that stage last night. He was totally on his game, while Obama seemed like he he wished he were anywhere but there.

If I hadn't already heard Romney change positions regularly on everything, Id be impressed, possibly even in his camp. But alas, I know he was doing what he always does, and saying what people want to hear, so he hardly swayed me any.

I also don't think Ive ever seen a less effective moderator.

We shall see if this has any lasting impact on the campaign. Things have tightened nationally, but electorally - Obama still has a pretty strong lead. And he will very likely go into the next debate with a bit more passion and clarity.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:06 PM

Your boy Obama got owned, schooled, and all but bitch-slapped last night. Without a teleprompter, or a pre-scripted play, he is revealed for the empty suit he is.

Clint Eastwood was right.

Puny god.

It has been said that the Obama legacy will be one that definitively shows socialism, or communism, does not work. Thats a kind version.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

BYTEMITE

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:25 PM

So... Are you for Romney now, Wulf?

WULFENSTAR

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:32 PM

Ugg. Im on the fence. Throw my vote to Romney, or write in Ron Paul.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

NIKI2

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:40 PM

Two, from what I hear you pretty much nailed it. I don't generally watch debates--or speeches--because they're choreographed to make each person sound and look like what the people want them to. The dissections afterward and clips that I see are sufficient for me.

Most of what I'm hearing is that Romney lied like a fishwife and Obama didn't call him on it: that as you said, Romney swung amazingly to the center and either avoided or lied about the stances he's taken right up to a couple of days ago. The Woos in Chief apparently didn't go at him at all, so it's a win for Romney. This thing about being so careful not to look like an "angry black guy" has got to be tough to get around, but I wish he'd grow a spine.

Unlike FauxNews and their ilk, the "left-wing media" has been quite clear that Romney won and Obama did a hack job...I'd love to see things reversed and hear the spin from FauxNews, who would NEVER admit Obama won anything even if Romney DID show up with his pants on backwards. At least the lefties can honestly call a loss a loss.

I hope the public isn't as dumb as they often are and see through the performance, because from what I'm hearing (both from left-wing pundits AND centrists), that's precisely what it was--an enormous pretend shift to the middle, much of which directly contradicts the stances he's taken all along.

I've also heard a few people talk about how Lehrer did a pretty poor job...many saying this wasn't "his kind of format". Such is life.

It's a shame Wulf is back; I keep forgetting that he makes Rap look like an actual, semi-intelligent human being, Wulf is so out there and over the top. Such is life.

We'll see what happens next time--I sincerely hope the Woos in Chief grows some balls in the meantime. I don't have much hope for the VP debates, I fully expect Ryan to win--especially if he fakes pivoting to the center like Romney did. There will no doubt be the inevitable Biden gaffe(s), and Ryan always looks like he's had too much caffeine or something, which will no doubt make him appear as a young go-getter. Aside from that WEIRD look on his face (I've tried to immitate it, best I can figure it's a tight-lipped grimace...), he's young, he's good looking, and I expect he'll wipe the floor with Biden. We'll see.

I just wish the public had been paying attention all along instead of just tuning in for the debates, and that they'd start using their BRAINS instead of being swayed by a "good" debate performance.

Time will tell.

KPO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:50 PM

It was clear that Mitt moved to the centre in this debate - denying a plan for massive tax cuts, or huge cuts to education, talking about the importance of regulation, and of bi-partisanship. And it worked. I wonder if Republicans will learn from this, and see that moderation is their best bet for the future?

Nah, I'm confident zealotry will prevail

It's not personal. It's just war.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:59 PM

It's easy to win a debate when you are willing to shift your position and make new promises and claims up on the spot.

Mitt abandoned his tax plan, stated he wants to keep the "good" parts of Obamacare and Dod-Frank, and would have promised everyone free Kittens had he had a chance.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

STORYMARK

Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Your boy Obama got owned, schooled, and all but bitch-slapped last night.

Remember, kiddo - Kerry won his first debate, too. Look how that went.

And Mondale beat his Conserva-Holiness, Ronny Reagan. That obviosuly was a game-changer, right?

And Id remind you to look at the electoral map, and how things are going in the swing states - but I know you won't actually look at anything that might burst your ideological bubble.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:34 PM

From here... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romney
s-five-biggest-lies-20121004

Mitt Romney turned in a polished performance in last night's presidential debate – and revealed himself to be an accomplished and unapologetic liar. In an evening where he sought to slice and dice the president with statistics, Romney baldly misrepresented his own policy prescriptions, made up numbers to fit his attacks and buried clear contrasts with the president under a heaping pile of horseshit.

Here are mendacious Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

HERO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Technically the soda thing changed. The church elders came out just this year and finally said that the line long interpreted as a condemnation of caffeine in general really just applied to hot coffee.

Jesus loves Dr. Pepper...its in the Bible.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

BYTEMITE

Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:29 PM

Quote:
would have promised everyone free Kittens had he had a chance.

My. One! WEAKNESS!

Why must you tempt me

*thread dive*

BYTEMITE

Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:33 PM

Quote:
Jesus loves Dr. Pepper...its in the Bible

Little known fact: the ancient Greeks referred to Dr. Pepper as "nectar." It grants immortality.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:30 PM

Most lopsided, biggest ass kicking in any Prez debate since Reagan / Mondale.

C R A S S I C !

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

STORYMARK

Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:41 PM

Also, thanks to Romney - one of the most dishonest!

Crassic, indeed.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NIKI2

Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:45 PM

Yup, Nick, you pretty much covered the "biggies" Romney spouted. But in fairness, Obama gave out a few of his own "fibs"--which the supposed left-wing media was happy to dissect--too. Only FauxNews didn't give a full fact check, and "fact checked" only one item on their website...slathering the rest of the front page with anti-Obama "articles".

What Nick quoted is pretty much the short version of the most outrageous lies Romney told, so if you don't care or don't want to take the time to read the MUCH longer version from a number of websites that I put up, that covers Romney. Just bear in mind that Obama did some fact twisting, as well.

I'm still wondering why the wonderfully "fair and balanced" FauxNews didn't do a fact check of their own. I guess they couldn't take the comparison between Obama's omissions/twisting and Romney's out-and-out LIES. Interesting.

Let's let the demented right-wing nutcases enjoy their "conquest" while they can and as loudly as they can; reality will probably hit home before too long. After all, it's only a month to election day; unless Romney comes up with something beyond a fabricated win, their delirious joy will be short lived.

ETA: I believe Romney's lie about pre-existing coverage is because his plan says specifically that it will“Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage.”

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The Romney campaign later confirmed that the GOP candidate had not changed his position on coverage for pre-existing conditions. He does not think insurance companies [u[should have to cover people with pre-existing conditions who have not had continuous health care coverage.

It is not a small population who would be cut from health care coverage under a proposal similar to what Romney has suggested. A Health and Human Services report published in January 2011 estimated that between 50 million and 129 million people currently have a pre-existing condition in the eyes of insurance companies. Twenty-five million of those do not have health insurance, according to the report. That number does not take into account those who have had gaps in coverage, suggesting a much larger number of people have pre-existing conditions but have not had continuous coverage.

Those gaps would be important under Romney. Earlier this year, Romney suggested that people with pre-existing conditions who didn’t already have health insurance shouldn’t get any special treatment. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/fact-check-mitt-romney-on
-obamacare-and-pre-existing-conditions/

Do not be fooled.

And yup, Mark,

Quote:
Also, thanks to Romney - one of the most dishonest!

Now there's something for our righties to be proud of!

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Also, thanks to Romney - one of the most dishonest!

Crassic, indeed.

Cry Baby, Cry!

Beckel, Begala, Matthews, Maddow ?

Too god damn funny!

Obama can't win, hell, can't even compete w/ out TOTUS ( teleprompter of the united states ), and is universally seen , by BOTH sides, as being completely run over by the Mack Truck that was Mitt Romney, and the best this 1st Whiner can do the day after is cry " He lied ! "

Horsefeathers. This admin has been lying since before it took office, and for them to accuse anyone else of doing what they alone are so skilled at, is beyond pathetic. Just because Romney and the rest of the world doesn't blindly swallow the fairy tales of the Left, doesn't mean Romney is "lying". To the contrary, he's shoving Obama's lies right back in his face.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NIKI2

Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:21 PM

Bless their little hearts, I can just see them...

S'okay for them to have their party and all over the place... All too soon they'll be in their beer, if the American people aren't TOO very stupid.

So whoop it up, guys, while you can. Enjoy being on --Just remember how far down it is when you fall. I'm afraid winning by cheating isn't something to be proud of, but you obviously are, so enjoy it while you can.

ETA:

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Just because Romney and the rest of the world doesn't blindly swallow the fair tales of the Left, doesn't mean Romney is "lying".

You wouldn't like to share the facts and figures to prove he's NOT lying, wouldja? I'd be most interested in reviewing them.

STORYMARK

Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:04 PM

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Also, thanks to Romney - one of the most dishonest!

Crassic, indeed.

Cry Baby, Cry!

Why would I do that? Hell, in case you didn't notice (I saw rhetorically, because you rarely follow along with threads), I was the first one to come here and congradulate hiom on his performance last night.

This was expected. Every incumbent but Clinton has lost the first debate for at least the last 35 years. Obama still has a sizable lead, electorally. This will, at best, give Romney a tiny bump in the national polls, that's about it.

Meanwhile, you're the one supporting the guy who can't seem to stick to a single stance on anything, and has just put in what is already becoming known as the least honest debate appearance ever.

Your guy managed to not fuck up for once. Enjoy your celebration, fine. But it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot in the long run.

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Just because Romney and the rest of the world doesn't blindly swallow the fairy tales of the Left, doesn't mean Romney is "lying".

This is true. It's the many blatant falsehoods that make him a liar. There are plenty of fact-checkers out there who have torn Mittens a new one. Granted, you'll never look at them, because you'd rather continue to believe the lie than look at any facts that don't come from some hard-right blog, but the grown-ups know well enough to look beyond Fox and Rush for our info.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

KWICKO

Thursday, October 4, 2012 11:15 PM

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KWICKO

Friday, October 5, 2012 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Jesus loves Dr. Pepper...its in the Bible.

Jesus was gay... it's in the babble.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

AURAPTOR

Friday, October 5, 2012 11:54 AM

A picture is worth 10,000 words...

Post debate, Michelle and Barack look sour, as Mitt is all smiles, while he collects his notes.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

M52NICKERSON

Friday, October 5, 2012 12:04 PM

Well with all the bullshit Mitt spread the stage most likley stunk.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

AURAPTOR

Friday, October 5, 2012 12:09 PM

Funny. Claiming such absurdity, after Obama was universally seen as getting his ass beat. Altitude, the moderator, and now this.

Face it, ya got beat. Deal w/ it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

M52NICKERSON

Friday, October 5, 2012 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Funny. Claiming such absurdity, after Obama was universally seen as getting his ass beat. Altitude, the moderator, and now this.

Face it, ya got beat. Deal w/ it.

Yes, Obama lost the debate. That does not mean the things Mitt said were not lies. Right in this thread you have fact checks and sources showing exactly how Mitt's arguments and claims are untrue.

Now Rappy can show the Mitt did not simple shove shit (lie) during the debate? If so I would love to see it. I mean that might start so actual discussion in this thread. Posting pictures and doing your proverbial victory lap will not.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

KWICKO

Friday, October 5, 2012 1:55 PM

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Most lopsided, biggest ass kicking in any Prez debate since Reagan / Mondale.

C R A S S I C !

You mean when Mondale kicked Reagan's ass in their first debate? Is that the one you're talking about?

Yeah, last time a challenger beat an incumbent President this badly, it spelled doom for the incumbent, didn't it?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

STORYMARK

Friday, October 5, 2012 4:10 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

A picture is worth 10,000 words...

Exactly what I was thinking when we saw all those pictures of Mitt in brown-face.

Oh, right, you hid out and didn't respond to that thread...

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

STORYMARK

Friday, October 5, 2012 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Funny. Claiming such absurdity, after Obama was universally seen as getting his ass beat.

The only thing "universally seen" about it was that he won on style - on facts, he lost. This is all over the place (which granted, one who isolates himself as much as rappy, will never, ever see).

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NIKI2

Friday, October 5, 2012 5:20 PM

But again, as always, Rap only hears what FauxNews and right-wing talk radio tell him, and will never know otherwise. Those sources would die before admitting that Romney lied, and are only crowing that Romney supposedly won. Ergo, Rap will follow the herd, sadly. That there can be no recognition of anything but that is very sad.

KPO

Friday, October 5, 2012 5:21 PM

It's worth noting that Romney's move to the centre is all posture, look again at the policies (Mother Jones calls it):

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on substance, Romney hasn't changed a thing. He still won't accept a dime in revenue increases; he still plans to cut taxes substantially on the rich while claiming he's doing no such thing; he still wants to voucherize both Medicare and education spending; he still wants to turn Medicaid over to the states and slash its funding; he still wants to increase the defense budget; he still wants to repeal both Obamacare and Dodd-Frank; and he still claims to be a deficit warrior even as he refuses to provide any details about just how he'd actually cut the deficit.

It's not personal. It's just war.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:56 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Funny. Claiming such absurdity, after Obama was universally seen as getting his ass beat.

The only thing "universally seen" about it was that he won on style - on facts, he lost. This is all over the place (which granted, one who isolates himself as much as rappy, will never, ever see).

Mitt won on style AND facts too. 90 Billion Obama has put toward failed 'green energy', the empty, bogus claims by Obama on what Mitt plans, are purely fantasy, based on things Mitt never said or claimed. Most of what Obama is fussing about are the fictional claims Mitt never made, and when faced with the reality, Barry runs away and then cries " he lies! " .

If Barry were half the man the media myth made him out to be, he'd have spoken up, right there on stage, and confronted Mitt. But he didn't. He didn't want to be seen as an 'angry black man', or maybe it was because TOTUS was off for the night, or maybe it was the altitude... who can say for sure ?

Oh, I can say. Obama was finally shown to be the incompetent phony we all knew him to be.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:54 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Mitt won on style AND facts too. 90 Billion Obama has put toward failed 'green energy', the empty, bogus claims by Obama on what Mitt plans, are purely fantasy, based on things Mitt never said or claimed. Most of what Obama is fussing about are the fictional claims Mitt never made, and when faced with the reality, Barry runs away and then cries " he lies! " .

So you agree with Mitt that "clean coal" is a failure. Good to know we're all agreed.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:11 AM

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NIKI2

Saturday, October 6, 2012 3:15 PM

Just amazing. If there was any doubt left in my mind, it would be gone; Rap unquestionably either deliberately talks shit to get attention or is the most ignorant, blind person we've ever had here. Given that there have been myriad facts and figures provided to show both Romney's AND Obama's untruths, in several threads, and he goes right on insisting that Romney didn't lie, giving some absurd explanation and continuing to say vile things about Obama which have absolutely no basis in fact. How can any human being BE like that? Is he truly and really a representation of the far right...are they actually that deliberately ignorant?

Yeah, there have been lots of disagreements, Rap's been called names and has said astonishing and ugly things before, but for me, this one takes the cake. Such deliberate, unblinking insistence on never acknowledging the truth blows my mind anew...and yes, that was even possible (tho' I didn't think so).

I can see insisting on something, given the psychological stuff people have put up from time to time about how people being given the facts will cling to the untruths even stronger, but this is MANY things, each one carefully debunked with facts and figures by MANY sources...not just the "librul media". It's now pretty much an accepted thing that Romney lied his way through the debate, and Obama lied too. What kind of person...

Oh, shit, why bother. I've been here before. I guess there really ARE people as amazling ignorant as Rap, or as desperately in need of attention that they'll stoop so incredibly low. Why on EARTH does anyone here want to even acknowledge the insane things he says?

The more I see of humans, the more I love my dogs.

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
the empty, bogus claims by Obama on what Mitt plans, are purely fantasy, based on things Mitt never said or claimed. Most of what Obama is fussing about are the fictional claims Mitt never made, and when faced with the reality, Barry runs away and then cries " he lies! " .

Thing is Mitt had been making the claims the President said he had. Mitt also lied many times during the debate.

....oh, that's right Rappy you said before you don't care about fact checking.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:32 AM

The funny thing is, if people are JUST NOW making up their minds about who to vote for, and they do it on the basis of how a person "sounds" then their vote is pretty meaningless. People like to call themselves "independent", but what that really means is wishy-washy, thoughtless, reactive.

We're in the midst of the biggest die-off since the dinosaurs, but since most people are distracted by shiny things and their timelines cover about 1 month, they won't notice until it's too late. So in the grand scheme of things, the debate is pretty pointless since neither candidate can afford to focus on our REAL problems.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:00 AM

The REAL problems of this nation & world can be found in Rappy's every post. He and most people mean well, but they're as lead-able as sheep. Hence the popular term.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured sheeple

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:38 AM

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The REAL problems of this nation & world can be found in Rappy's every post.

Wow! You really must be hitting that bottle of Romulan Ale extra hard today. Pray tell...what can be found in your posts besides irrational intolerance towards Conservatives?

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He and most people mean well, but they're as lead-able as sheep. Hence the popular term.

I'm not a sheep and neither are you. No one leads me and no one leads you. Ee'd Plebnista ... Sound familiar?

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

1KIKI

Sunday, October 7, 2012 3:52 AM

"Is he truly and really a representation of the far right...are they actually that deliberately ignorant?"

Yes.

POLL: Most Republicans Still Believe That Iraq Had WMD | A new poll conducted by Dartmouth government professor Benjamin Valentino found that 63 percent of Republican respondents still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the United States invaded in 2003, even though this assertion has been thoroughly debunked. In comparison, only 27 percent of independents and less than 15 percent of Democrats believed in the misinformation. Additionally, 64 percent of Republican respondents believe that President Obama was born in another country. As the Huffington Post’s Dan Froomkin notes, “this latest poll result seems to indicate a refusal — unique to the modern Republican Party — to acknowledge facts.”

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~benv/files/poll%20responses%20by%20party%20I
D.pdf

KWICKO

Sunday, October 7, 2012 3:53 AM

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:40 AM

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Wow! You really must be hitting that bottle of Romulan Ale extra hard today. Pray tell...what can be found in your posts besides irrational intolerance towards Conservatives?

I think what Chris has is a rational intolerance of irrationality. Rappy is flat out irrational. To be even-handed, so is CTS. When I find people who are completely unwilling to look at facts... particularly facts that they don't like .... I find there is no point even talking to them. So, which one are you? Irrational or rational?

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think what Chris has is a rational intolerance of irrationality. Rappy is flat out irrational. To be even-handed, so is CTS. When I find people who are completely unwilling to look at facts... particularly facts that they don't like .... I find there is no point even talking to them. So, which one are you? Irrational or rational?

Why bother to ask that question? I must be irrational since you, my kind and dear old friend of six years, can't even acknowledge my name with my posts these days.

And Chrisisall is as rational as an Arcturian dogbird...(irrational Star Trek reference). He should be appointed Sheriff of Serenity...(irrational Galactica reference).

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:21 PM

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I must be irrational, since you, my kind and dear old friend of six years, can't even acknowledge my name with my posts these days.

Hmmm.... I have no idea what you're talking about. So.... what are you saying? That I haven't responded to you by name??? If you think that's meaningful in some way, I assure you that it's completely accidental, Jongsie. If that ISN'T what you mean, then I'm at a loss. Whatever it is, don't presume my opinion of you. You're putting words in my mouth that don't belong.

NIKI2

Sunday, October 7, 2012 4:14 PM

Sig,

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The funny thing is, if people are JUST NOW making up their minds about who to vote for, and they do it on the basis of how a person "sounds" then their vote is pretty meaningless.

I disagree. A vote is a vote, however it's arrived at, so the vote of those who vote the way you described is as meaningful as the vote of those of us who've paid attention.

Obviously "fictional claims Mitt never made" is totally wrong, given Romney's actual statementshave been quoted by the fact checkers, with the actual facts rebutting them detailed. That, of course, means nothing to the person who wrote it, so why bother?

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The REAL problems of this nation & world can be found in Rappy's every post

I agree; the deliberate and persistent insistence on NON-facts by so many doesn't speak well of our country, and is pretty scary. "...this latest poll result seems to indicate a refusal — unique to the modern Republican Party — to acknowledge facts" is right on, and continues to blow my mind daily, especially as I'm confronted with it daily here. While I don't think it's unique to the Republican Party, it certainly seems to have become more entrenched in them currently.

Chris is one of the most polite and rational people I know here, and I share his "intolerance of irrationality", however rational or not it may be in me. The irrationality I see here by the representatives of the right scares the hell out of me for what it means to America.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Wow! You really must be hitting that bottle of Romulan Ale extra hard today. Pray tell...what can be found in your posts besides irrational intolerance towards Conservatives?

Actually it's cheap rum, Romulan Ale is blue, well, that and Gin, right...
I believe you were confusing me with Chris there, but I'll gladly share some of my rabid foaming if you so desire.

Select to view spoiler:

YES, THAT'S SHMUCK BAIT, GO AHEAD AND BITE, I DARE YA!

-Frem