Board Dispute - Please Help
POSTED BY: BYTEMITE
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 02:02
VIEWED: 13976
PAGE 1 of 2
Hey everyone. This isn't a RWED but I could use your opinions and advice. Oonjerah has authorized me to post these messages because I would like to understand what is happening.
Because of how fireflyfans works, I don't have all the transcripts of my responses. But I have tried to reconstruct them from memory to the best of my ability, and I think I've included everything that might have escalated this chain. I will update with any corrections offered.
Some of these messages reference this argument. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53061&p=2
Quote:
-Tue 10/02/12 6:41 PM-
Oonjerah has sent you a message from FIREFLYFANS.NET.
The message is as follows:
Maybe it's my misunderstanding, but -- last two times we locked horns,
you left the board for a while. ... I don't want that.
You brought your feelings into the French Cartoon thread.
I suggest that we could have a thread about your feelings, and
You would agree to it, and courageously hang in and discuss them.
OR ... when you call people dumb or put words in their mouths,
we could talk about that.
You obviously have a lot of friends on this board. They don't want
you to go away. They want you to accept the hand of friendship that
they offer.
You remind me a lot of a couple of friends I used to have.
Oonjerah
(((RECONSTRUCTION)))
Quote:
-Tue 10/02/12 around 7 PM-
I guess I can't blame you for giving me a taste of my own medicine and conflating insults when I do that myself.
But let's not pretend your suggestion that I quarantine my feelings to a single thread was a meant as constructive and positive advice.
And besides, it doesn't work. I've tried before to stop gushing negativity everywhere. By LEAVING.
Quote:
-Tue 10/09/12 3:32 PM-
Oonjerah has sent you a message from FIREFLYFANS.NET.
The message is as follows:
Byte,
I'm not ignoring you. I just found your message (eMail had sent it to Junk) as I was crashing early this morning, then I went to bed. ... Now, still sleepy, I'm trying to be fair & not critical. Give me credit there, please.
"But let's not pretend your suggestion that I quarantine my feelings to a single thread was a meant as constructive and positive advice."
Well ... maybe not constructive for you, but a relief to others. The thread was about a cartoon that got a violent mob reaction from some radical Muslims. I wanted to stay on topic there instead of discussing your feelings. On Topic. Everyone insults and disrespects Bytemite was not the topic. But since it comes up in so many threads, probably it needs its own thread.
Everyone insults and disrespects Bytemite. When you toss that out on the board, does it feel honest to you? Because it always Strikes me as dishonest and inappropriate.
I've tried before to stop gushing negativity everywhere. By LEAVING.
How I hear what you said: "I want stop gushing negativity everywhere, but I can't. I have no control over it." OK ... you mean, it's OCD? I didn't know. I thought it was just a wrong switch that makes you turn left when you ought to stay on track.
Because what you do bugs me, I've been trying to find something in me that is like it ... a way to relate and see what my anger is really about. I think I found it. => Most people don't like me and they ignore me. So I feel rejected, a social outcast.
But you resemble more my long lost friend Eva who fought the way you do. When she got mad, honest, fair & objective all became irrelevant to her. So she fought dirty. But she never could see it that way, even in retrospect.
To simplfy, When we are talking about an event from the news: We have different opinions about it, different principles and priorities attached to it. We talk civilly for a while. Then suddenly I say, "How dare you disagree with me. Your opinion invalidates my opinion and you insult me!!" Wouldn'NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Wow.
OK, Byte? I like your brain. I don't always agree with you (who does with anyone else?), but I like the way you think. Of all the people on this board, you are probably the least likely to be hurtful or dishonest. In my view, you are as objective and fair and logical as they come. You are aware of fallacies, and as far as I can tell, you are one of the few who stoops to fallacious reasoning the least, if at all. Logic and intellectual integrity is exceptionally important to me, so I notice these things.
So, for what it's worth, I have no fucking idea what Oonj is talking about. Like she's talking about a different person than the Byte I have always talked to.
If she doesn't get you and who you are and how you think, she won't be the first--esp not on this board. Move on.
PS. I am NOT Byte's sockpuppet. ;)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Effectively not my business, but you should know who you were really talking to, Byte.
I wonder if they have the guts to admit it.
We will see, I guess.
-Frem
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sigh...
I'm not comfortable with this. Bringing a PM conversation onto the board, well, it just doesn't seem right. And this one's gonna get me in tons of trouble, but okay, you asked:
I see some of the same things Oonj does; not all, but some. You know I've had difficulty with you before, and called it "passive aggressive". Whatever terminology you want to use, I have frequently observed you take things personally and go what is to me over the top in your responses.
To start, your reconstruction must be missing something, because Oonj's response started "I'm not ignoring you".
The thing about leaving keeps on coming up. Nobody wants you to leave, you've been told that, and to me doing so over and over again, along with your self-hateful rhetoric, seems to indicate something--I don't know what--that is uncomfortable for me. It seems to be indicating that I or one of us is doing something bad or wrong or picking on you or something, which I don't think anyone is. As Oonj said, there seems to be something dishonest--tho' I wouldn't say inappropriate--about things you write like this.
It seems to me that you get hyper-sensitive frequently...hell, we all do from time to time, but the way you go about dealing with it isn't comfortable for me, tho' I've tried to work things out with you in private before, I've sometimes been left with the feeling that somehow I should feel like I'm a bad person about it or something.
I'm putting this really badly, so I think I'll shut up. Suffice it to say I didn't enjoy the thread in question going off tangent into personal feelings either and wish it hadn't gone on so long.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I see Oojn making an effort at understanding, and Byte bbeing Byte in return.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Y'know, Byte, there are those in this world with whom you may never get along. (And I mean "you" in the general sense, because I've sure as hell got some of those folk in my own life, both virtually and in real life, and some of them are family!)
You can't spend too much time on it. Lots of stuff, you'll never agree on, but a few things, you will.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Byte, I honestly don't see where there ought to be a problem. Perhaps your reconstruction is incomplete, but your responses seem to have little to do with what Oonj was saying. Truly, I don't see any insult or putdown from him/her, not even an unintentional one. There's just nothing there.
I do recall something like this happening between you and I, which settled quickly and peacefully when I refused to engage. Remember? It worked out fine. I really wasn't upset with you at all.
The theme seems to be that the only one seeing the *dislike* is you. Believe me, I understand how hard it is to live with that state of mind, but I hope you know enough not to buy into it. You know you have a tendency toward paranoia about this, so fight it. Don't trust these negative feelings when they come. But I'm glad you didn't run away either. I agree with Niki that airing PMs is weird, but I think it's healthier for you to talk about it, though it must have been a scary risk for you to take.
I tell you - no one dislikes you. I guarantee it. No one is out to hurt you. Please just consider that people have their own inner lives and their own reasons for saying stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with whether they like you or not. I say this not because I want to start something with you - believe me I don't! - but because I do actually like you, and I enjoy your input here. I think it'd be even better to converse with you if I didn't worry about having to prove my good feelings.
Hmm. Maybe you can think of it as a courtesy. Do folks the courtesy of believing in their sincerity. If they don't like you, let them prove it, rather than always looking to prove it for them. That may seem weird, but as an anti-social person myself, I find an approach like that oddly empowering. I let the negativity live in other people, rather than focusing on it myself.
Hope something in my ramble is helpful.
(((((hugs)))))
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
10/2, Byte to Oonj:
"Well, I conflate insults all the time, so I can't fault you for giving me a taste
of my own medicine.
But let's not pretend your suggestion that I quarantine my feelings to a single thread
was a meant as constructive and positive advice.
And besides: it hasn't worked. As you noted, I've tried before to stop gushing negativity everywhere. By LEAVING."
Essentially the same as her reconstruction above. I found it in the junk folder a week
after it was sent.
10/9, Byte to Oonj (3rd PM):
Look, you messaged me first. And you keep messaging me. But fine, you want impartiality
and fairness?
Then why don't you post what you sent me to the board, and ask them what they think. If
they think I'm off base, then I'll apologize, and I'll even make that thread you mentioned.
If they think that you could have worded things better, then you don't talk to me again.
Agreed?
........
I thought this one over quite a while. When I sent my response, I got an error message from
the board & I assume the message was not sent. Since Byte hasn't seen it, I won't put it here.
I thought about it some more, then sent the one she posted: "I am not much in favor of ..."
Byte: "And you keep messaging me."
Actually, our PMs were one to one.
I'm not going to elaborate on the issue just now. And if y'all are not interested, I'll be happy to drop it.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
To start, your reconstruction must be missing something, because Oonj's response started "I'm not ignoring you".
It's a time stamp issue. I responded to her when she first messaged me, but the message was directed into her junk folder, and she didn't get back to me for a few days. She said that as a courtesy.
My messages from here also get directed into my junk folder. I have to check it regularly, like a second inbox.
Well, I'm hearing all of you. I'd like you to know that when I get bothered by something, it's because I'm genuinely upset, it's not because I'm putting on an act to score points in an argument. That would be a cheap move - I'd rather be wrong and have to apologize than engage in deceitful behaviour to win a hollow victory. My points should be able to stand on their own, apart from whatever emotional reaction I might also be having. That's why whenever I object to an argument on an emotional level, as in the cartoonist thread, I try to bring a reasoned response in later.
However... Just as I can't change how I feel (such as being hypersensitive sometimes), I can't change how you feel, and I concede what you have told me as valid.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Oonj, it appears I owe you an apology.
In retrospect, I have been a bit of a shit. I thought that there were all these comments in threads that you had directed at me, on top of what I saw as insults here. But, it sounds as though they weren't insults, rather you were actually asking me to clarify, but I reacted negatively to the language instead of the intent.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I have frequently observed you take things personally and go what is to me over the top in your responses.
Pot to Kettle...your black.
H
Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I have frequently observed you take things personally and go what is to me over the top in your responses.
Pot to Kettle...your black.
Man, you're dumb.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sounds like you guys are working it out, which is great. NOT speaking for anyone else, but if it were me, I wouldn't feel an apology was necessary. Similar to situations I've been in, it sounds like a miscommunication which has been solved; ergo, no harm no foul on either side.Quote:
I wouldn't say that's unilaterally true, given there are some here who seem to "dislike" or "hate" pretty easily (NOT you, Byte, or Oonj; you know those of whom I'm speaking). But even those don't seem to dislike you, so I agree with Magons, maybe just take it on faith that we all have differing opinions and unless someone out-and-out snarks at/about you, there are no bad intentions. From what I've seen here, most people are pretty damned transparent when they don't like someone! ;o)
I tell you - no one dislikes you. I guarantee it. No one is out to hurt you.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Effectively not my business, but you should know who you were really talking to, Byte.
I wonder if they have the guts to admit it.
We will see, I guess.
Frem? Seemed to me the thread ended up a dialogue between Byte and me. Should I be afraid to admit that? I can't imagine who you would be talking about otherwise and I don't scare that easy, so color me confused.
I think I'll stay out of this conversation for now, let other folks chime in, seeing as Byte and I were having at least as much trouble communicating as she and Oonjerah. But if you think I have something important to contribute, I'm all ears.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Other people's conflicts don't make much sense. They are generally about feeling hurt and unheard or misunderstood and some other nebulus stuff instead. I'm not sure how you intend to make sense of it, Byte, except to try and understand your own responses to all this. And I'm not sure anyone here can help you with that.
Frem, I'm not sure what you comment refers to. I don't believe Oonjerah is a sock puppet, as I remember her from another board.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I never thiught I would see a thread about Internet mediation???? My advice to the both of you, is to leave the house just a tad more than you both do and worry about REAL fleshy people in the wide wide world. maybe a visit to your respective therapists for a discussion on PERSPECTIVE would be in order. A thicker skin and a wave of the hand in apathy wouldn't hurt guys!!!
With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Bytemite: "Oonj, it appears I owe you an apology."
It's OK. Like Niki said, no harm, no foul.
"Because what you do bugged me, I've been trying to find something in me that is like it
... a way to relate and see what my anger is really about."
This is the crux of it for me now: my anger, my inappropriate reaction. A little bell rings
& it means, "Time to get up and work on myself."
PeaceKeeper advises acceptance. Good idea!
I want to thank you for something. Last June, you recommended Lord of the Rings Online
to me. So I went there and did that. It's more complex than EverQuest. And in spite of
the huge learning curve, I much enjoy it.
Last. The term "Sockpuppet" is new to me since I came on this board. So, for my information,
is it a greater insult than Troll?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
A sockpuppet (or what I call a sickpuppy) is someone having more than one account and posting under more than one name. In other words, pretending to be more "people" than themselves. There's lots of guesses from time to time as to who is who's sockpuppet, etc., but I never figured out why anyone would want to do it, and probably never will. Is there some kind of game where you pretend to be someone besides yourself? Is there a "score" to be kept? And can you ever "win" if the other people don't know Person A and Person B are both you? It's pretty silly, IMHO. I guess if there are two people, and each knows who the other person's sockpuppet is, they can snark that "Hey, we really pulled the wool over HIS eyes!" and chortle together, but either that OR someone getting off on fooling someone else seems rather uninteresting to me.
Frem seems to be saying you're actually someone else here who created a sockpuppet called Oonj. Maybe you are, I could care less. Frem has suspected some others in the past that I thought he was wrong about, but I can't know and I don't care...it would take WAY too much time and energy to figure out who's who's who...I just take people as they present themselves, it's no skin off my nose if they're faking it, and actually more harmful to THEM, in my opinion.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Bytemite,
I've been looking into the other thread, which I haven't read a bit of before now. I can see the source of your frustration. I'm glad I wasn't in on that thread when it went down, because I could see the point on both sides yet also disagreed with some of what both were saying. I might have stepped in and likely pissed off everyone LOL!
I only got halfway through, but it seemed like I expected. Some basic disagreement, then the flawed communication medium and people not really understanding each other, and then it went nuts. I'm glad to see that it's come back around to hand-shaking.
Last night I read that blog you linked to about the potter troll war - very creepy! We've had our sockpuppet weirdos (and possibly still do - who knows!) but at least we can back off and be friendly when the smoke clears. Wow. I can't imagine people being as nuts about fandom as those folks were!
So I'm really glad you all talked this out.
ETA: Niki: yeah, when I said no one was out to get her, etc... I was kind of making an assumption. No one who's a reasonable human and not a half-troll. But I don't see the trollish ones go after Bytemite much, and I think she knows to blow them off anyway.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Frem? Seemed to me the thread ended up a dialogue between Byte and me. Should I be afraid to admit that? I can't imagine who you would be talking about otherwise and I don't scare that easy, so color me confused.
Oh, no that has nothing to do with it, nor is that directed at you.
Someone needs to come clean is all
-Frem
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
FREM, you sometimes see sockpuppets when there are none.
BYTE: You often assume ill-intent when none is intended, and cast others as villains when they aren't. I can be a prick, but I see you taking offense at many others who truly don't deserve it. I'm not sure what sets you off, since there doesn't seem to be much in common among your various targets. But when you go off on people like Niki and HK and Ooonj as well as me... well, that's a "you" problem, not a "them" problem. IMHO.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
FWIW Byte
I read the posts between you and HK - what I saw was HK being as unarmed and non-aggressive as possible, doing the equivalent of standing with arms out and palms forward. And you picking up your sword and going on the attack. The more non-confrontational he became, the more hostile and aggressive you became. I have to say it had me extremely puzzled. I looked closely and couldn't find what it was that was triggering that response from you. Just my opinion. Maybe you could explain b/c it baffled me. Perhaps if you could pick out a word, phrase, sentence or paragraph that you feel deserved that response it would help me understand you.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I dunno, Frem.
Oonjerah is an entirely new voice on the board as far as I can tell. She honestly comes closer than anyone around here ever has to sharing my understanding of, well, a lot of things. Stuff I've been at odds with pretty much everyone over but that one guy a billion years ago whom I can't remember (what was his name, Mavon, Ravon, Travon, or some such?) and, of course, Chrisisall's wife. Is that who it is? I'm hoping you don't think she's Rue. Rue ain't sockpuppetting around this place, I assure you. Unless she's the ghost of SoupCatcher or something, you're not gonna convince me she's anybody other than who she says she is.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I dunno about this sickpuppy thing; I, too, think sometimes you see them when they're not there, Frem. Someone guessed you might think Oonj was MY sockpuppet, which made me laugh. Given you and everyone else know how I feel about them, I can't imagine that.
Mostly, I'm just glad they worked it out, and hope Byte doesn't take offense at anyone's responses. Let there be peace! ;o)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Frem: "Effectively not my business, but you should know who you were really talking
to, Byte. I wonder if they have the guts to admit it."
1. Byte was talking to Oonjerah, therefore "who" must refer to Me. (WTF?)
2. Magonsdaughter: "Frem, I'm not sure what you comment refers to. I don't believe
Oonjerah is a sock puppet, as I remember her from another board."
I consider Magons' integrity above reproach. I'm hoping for another witness also.
Frem thinks I'm a sockpuppet? Frem thinks I'm a sockpuppet!!
It's mind boggling that anyone could think that.
My voice is my own, and it's unique. That much is obvious.
Please have the guts to back off, Frem.
=========================
I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll
If I let others tell me I'm a clone, I've vacated self-definition.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FREM, you sometimes see sockpuppets when there are none.
Agreed.
If ANYONE around here has a unique writing style, it's Oonj.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Thank you, Story.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Once again Fremdfirma is going off about an assumption he has made, which his afraid he might be wrong about, so he's not willing to accuse someone precisely, that way he thinks he can be right, but he's still trying to sneak the negativity into an attack that others will take as he intends it, pushing off this viscera on another user.
In this case, he is wrong, and just being a little dickishly arrogant because being wrong is not a possibility that he really entertains. But for the record, he is wrong.
ETA: Thanks, Sig.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
OMG!!! A REAL sockpuppet!!! I've heard about you so much... pleased ta meetcha!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
You mean ... you're the Real SockPuppet?
But aren't SockPuppets supposed to be sneaky and evil?
Then why are you telling the Truth?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hey Oonjerah,
Just to be clear: I'm basically ribbing our mutural Frem in my above post. None of the folks I mention could possibly be you in reality. Frem is usually pretty discerning, so I'm intensely curious what about you could possibly have led him to believe you were someone's sockpuppet.
The point of a sockpuppet is to grant one's own opinion greater weight by having "others" agree with it. If he thinks you're a sockpuppet, I gotta wonder who's opinion you're supposedly bolstering, 'cause far as I can see, your opinions are...well, your own.
Unless, of course, you are MY sockpuppet! lol Ack! What have I done! I've given us...er, I mean, myself away! Some sorry excuse for a forum troll I am! Loser! (Now, you come back with "Oh, I don't think you're a loser, HK, I think you're the most brilliant--wait a doggone minute! If you're my sockpuppet, I don't have to give you instructions! I can just log into my Oonjerah account and post what I please--no one the wiser! Yeah! Hey, I'm really getting the hang of this sockpuppetry dealie, aren't I? Don't answer that! Damn it!)
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'm intensely curious what about you could possibly have [done that?] led him
to believe you were someone's sockpuppet.
What was Frem's need/use for a sockpuppet in this case?
1. He hasn't outed anyone lately and feels it's overdue?
2. He loves being the mysterious know-it-all?
3. He is drawing fire from Byte to himself?
4. He saw a picture of me with the wool drawn over my eyes?
Boss, I'm thinkin' only Frem can answer your question. But it blew me away, too.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
You mean ... you're the Real SockPuppet?
But aren't SockPuppets supposed to be sneaky and evil?
Then why are you telling the Truth?
Who says I am?
Oh, I do, of course. And you, because you're my sockpuppet. Thanks for the backup, sockpuppet.
Only bad sockpuppets are evil. Most of us are just unseely fae drifting through the ether. We don't always support our humans, sometimes we shoot them down and become real. Like therightstuff and shadowfly. Its how we get our wings
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
3. He is drawing fire from Byte to himself?
The question of what exactly is guilt by association came up in a thread recently.
I have been accepting of the criticism here, and spending less time on the boards reevaluating my perspective. I don't attack people through other people. I do that well enough on my own.
We never know about anyone here. There are similarities between you and other people, but there are also differences. I am unsure and often paranoid, and I don't recall seeing that you've ever posted anywhere outside the RWED, but I also don't think you are the person he thinks you are.
Some part of me, the logical part says that you are probably your own person. Another part of me is always screaming to never trust anyone. Eventually, as I check off who you aren't, there may come a time when there is only Oonj. This is the only way I can fight the paranoia.
I suspect everyone might be sockpuppets, but I try to address everyone at face value. Ultimately, my view is that whether someone is or isn't a sockpuppet doesn't really matter in the long run - if their ideas and arguments are insightful then they will stand up to scrutiny on their own, regardless of which head or source those ideas come from.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote Oonjerah: "3. He is drawing fire from Byte to himself?"
the remark means: I believe Frem feels protective toward you.
If he feels antagonistic toward me, that's puzzling.
Did I offend him with some blunder?
=========================
I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Maybe because you quote Charles Swindoll.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
If he feels antagonistic toward me, that's puzzling.
Did I offend him with some blunder?
I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I like the line about "how I react." It goes to response-ability.
I've no idea who Charles R Swindoll is (wiki: evangelical Christian pastor,
author, educator) but have to give credit to the quote.
There is someone I know better who he is that I'd like to quote. We'll see
if I have the strength to start a new thread for it.
=========================
I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll
If I have to react to others all the time, then they own my mind more than I do.
If I let others tell me how to feel, I lose my ability to choose happiness.
If I let others tell me who I am, I've vacated self-definition.
Finally, I realized how foolish I was to give others such power over me.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG!!! A REAL sockpuppet!!! I've heard about you so much... pleased ta meetcha!
Trust me, you've met before. Odd that SockPuppet hasn't been here in a year and a half, and just magically pops up in this thread, huh?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey Oonjerah,
Just to be clear: I'm basically ribbing our mutural Frem in my above post. None of the folks I mention could possibly be you in reality. Frem is usually pretty discerning, so I'm intensely curious what about you could possibly have led him to believe you were someone's sockpuppet.
The point of a sockpuppet is to grant one's own opinion greater weight by having "others" agree with it. If he thinks you're a sockpuppet, I gotta wonder who's opinion you're supposedly bolstering, 'cause far as I can see, your opinions are...well, your own.
Unless, of course, you are MY sockpuppet! lol Ack! What have I done! I've given us...er, I mean, myself away! Some sorry excuse for a forum troll I am! Loser! (Now, you come back with "Oh, I don't think you're a loser, HK, I think you're the most brilliant--wait a doggone minute! If you're my sockpuppet, I don't have to give you instructions! I can just log into my Oonjerah account and post what I please--no one the wiser! Yeah! Hey, I'm really getting the hang of this sockpuppetry dealie, aren't I? Don't answer that! Damn it!)
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Occasionally, a sockpuppet is a way for one user to try and "seamlessly" transition their account from one name to another, in an effort to transform themselves or remake their image in a better light.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote Oonjerah: "3. He is drawing fire from Byte to himself?"
the remark means: I believe Frem feels protective toward you.
If he feels antagonistic toward me, that's puzzling.
Did I offend him with some blunder?
Ah.
No, it's probably not anything you did. Whenever a new person joins an internet board there's always a period of scrutiny where people consider whether the person might be a sockpuppet. Or other shenanigans, there was one time I was on a board that was closing down and we all jumped to a new board, I was the last to join at the new board and two people switched account names just to mess with me. Took me forever to figure out why everyone was laughing.
Frem thought some of your typing habits were like the habits of another member who doesn't come around as much anymore. Who appears to now have picked up on the accusation.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Maybe I'm a sockpuppet and don't know it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Well, in a sense, aren't we all sockpuppets?
I mean, are any of you posting under your real, given name here? I'm not; I can assure you that my parents did not name me "Kwicko" upon birth.
Who we are on this site is not who we really are in real life. We are here as an imago, an icon of our actual selves. What you see here is not the totality of any one person, but the image they share with you by choice.
Some apparently have chosen to share more than one image of themselves. Some may have even shifted the image they project.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Maybe I'm a sockpuppet and don't know it.
Very likely, MD. But if you are, you have the
same puppetmaster as you did on the other board.
I don't recall that we had sockpuppets there, so
maybe that's why you never knew. Til now.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
One might note that I did not assume malice, simply obfuscation of identity.
And yes, I had suspicions, when a user using tablet style formatting and green text goes away and another user comes along using green text and tablet formatting shows up in the same time frame, with certain similarities of style - who would not be ?
I was emphatically not the only one who noticed this at the time, but simply felt there was no reason to pursue it whatever given apparent lack of malicious intent.
I'd deny a certain protective instinct but I rather doubt anyone here would buy that, so whatever.
Oh, and speakin of similarities of style, Nickpuppet, you ain't very convincing, stick to your own name, ehe ?
-F
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"Nickpuppet"?? Is that a reference to me?? Now you're making ME paranoid!
And by the way, initially was going to respond to Mike by saying that, while not the totality of the person, I use my own name and I THINK "speak" to you guys the same as I do to Choey, or Jim, or anyone else. I'm sure subconsciously there are differences, but not consciously. I've never been on a forum board under anything but my own name, and never deliberately portrayed myself as other than I am.
So what's with this "Nickpuppet" thing, Frem?
(Just popped in to turn the computer off, so I'll check in tomorrow...you've got me wondering what's going on...)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
'#fff4d0' This is the color I used when I first came here. Not
green; the predominant color is red. I'd call it a dark manilla.
One rule is the color has to be light enough for clear contrast
against the black background. Dreamtrove, for example, always
used the standard bright green; I wouldn't.
I am inconsistent, changing the color on whim or to show off.
You can go places like this to get the hexadecimal color codes,
http://html-color-codes.com/ .. but I don't because I like to mess
with the code myself until the color looks good to me.
This page shows html colors with both names and hex codes.
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colornames.asp
Lots of people love color, love a bit of artistry in their
expression. Real People even.
Haven't used tan yet. Maybe I'll do this color for awhile.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
So what's with this "Nickpuppet" thing, Frem?
Lmao, sorry, didn't mean to push your buttons doll - just that "SOCKPUPPET" is so obviously M52Nickerson that I thought everyone else would get the joke...
-F
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
>_>
I thought SOCKPUPPET was DT.
This thread. It blew up. But it was always going to blow up.
I am the wasteland. It's me. Walking across your fields and leaving them fallow. Eris threw the golden apples and now Troy is besieged.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I don't think it is even a secret. Sockpuppet uses run on, stream of consciousness sentences. It's a very unique style. Sounds just like DT.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I thought SOCKPUPPET was DT.
And Oonjerah doesn't. She talks like a woman, with subtle emotional nuances. She also uses short sentences separated by line breaks, with a lot of enumeration. Very different voice. Definitely not DT.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
>_>
I thought SOCKPUPPET was DT.
This thread. It blew up. But it was always going to blow up.
I am the wasteland. It's me. Walking across your fields and leaving them fallow. Eris threw the golden apples and now Troy is besieged.
Haha. You egocentric little muppet. It's not all about you (keep repeating it to yourself)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I am my own sockpuppet. I have a strange schizophrenic life, ever since the user which created me posted my username and password to RWED, I might be anyone's sockpuppet. I'm whimsical and float on the free breeze.
I don't believe Fremdfirma really thinks I'm M52Nickerson, though I might be, at times. I'm not at this very moment. I don't think. He wants to make his error seem like a deliberate trap. Don't worry, misanthropic one, everyone has to lose sometimes.
Unfortunate, this thread is not about Fremdfirma, it is all about Bytemite. And Oonjerah who mistakenly tried to befriend her. It's a dangerous endeavour. But we love our prickly Bytemite.
I could be Magonsdaughter. She has been losing sleep more and more. She's been going to be earlier and waking up later and yet she feels strangely tired.
Hero has called Niki2 black, but she is not, inspite of her strange inexplicable support for Obama.
Quote:
Originally posted by KWICKO:
I can assure you that my parents did not name me "Kwicko" upon birth.
No, your girlfriend did that.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SOCKPUPPET:
I could be Magonsdaughter. She has been losing sleep more and more. She's been going to be earlier and waking up later and yet she feels strangely tired.
Actually I've been going to bed later and waking earlier. But I do feel tired.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Haha. You egocentric little muppet. It's not all about you (keep repeating it to yourself)
WTF, Magon?! Byte's reflection about the hijack and meander of this thread doesn't mean she is egocentric.
You've said a lot of mean-spirited things here on RWED (so have we all), but that is probably the nastiest thing I've ever heard you say.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Haha. You egocentric little muppet. It's not all about you (keep repeating it to yourself)
WTF, Magon?! Byte's reflection about the hijack and meander of this thread doesn't mean she is egocentric.
You've said a lot of mean-spirited things here on RWED (so have we all), but that is probably the nastiest thing I've ever heard you say.
I think it was meant in jest, sarcastically and with a smile and a wink. At least, that's how I read it.
And DT's little jab at my username was intended the same way, just as when I jab him about his tomatoes.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
>_>
I thought SOCKPUPPET was DT.
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!
Quote:
This thread. It blew up. But it was always going to blow up.
I am the wasteland. It's me. Walking across your fields and leaving them fallow. Eris threw the golden apples and now Troy is besieged.
Forget about it, Jake - It's Chinatown!
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Oh. OK. If that's the case, then I apologize to Magon.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think it was meant in jest, sarcastically and with a smile and a wink. At least, that's how I read it.
But still. Byte's been through the wringer lately on RWED. I don't think she needs that kind of jest right now.
Sorry, just feeling a bit protective of my favorite RWED logician.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
>_>
I thought SOCKPUPPET was DT.
This thread. It blew up. But it was always going to blow up.
I am the wasteland. It's me. Walking across your fields and leaving them fallow. Eris threw the golden apples and now Troy is besieged.
Haha. You egocentric little muppet. It's not all about you (keep repeating it to yourself)
Tone was meant to be sad. Not boasting.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
Sorry, just feeling a bit protective of my favorite RWED logician.
Strictly unnecessary. The board is fair and impartial, and I have been judged lacking.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
KWICKO,
After I was created a couple of years ago I did post the username and password for the account and I know at least three people have posted as sockpuppet, but so far the snarky yet self important character of sockpuppet has not changed. I feel like I've become an entity unto myself, I have had the life of collective RWED snarcastic civility breathed into me.
BYTEMITE,
We are your cult. We come here to rally to on your every word. We want you to call us into battle.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"The board is fair and impartial"
Guffaw. That is a joke, the irony of which was not wasted on me. They ganged up on you because you dared to impugn the haute dignity of French cartoonists, jumping on a bandwagon of byte-attack without even reading a word of what you wrote, giving you shit for being *gasp* emotional for defending yourself - and then they had the gall afterwards of pretending to be understanding and reconciliatory - not that it's not been done to me once upon a time, which after the first time, they got a taste of what pitbull in their ass should taste like, being the pharisaical cowards they are had the bare minimum modicum of wisdom to avoid said pitpull in the future.
Your mistake, doll, is treating this den of two-faced vipers like a place for serious discussion when you should have treated it like a political playground of bullies it is - don't even get me started on how you should know better given the hundreds of times you have witnessed this sorta nonsense on everyone else who has come through here...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Okay, so give it to us again so we can all use it, 'kay? Even I wouldn't mind posting as a sockpuppet named Sockpuppet! ;o)
After I was created a couple of years ago I did post the username and password for the account and I know at least three people have posted as sockpuppet
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Every single person who posts here I remember having done something to hurt them. So no, it's not them. It's me.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And I have said something to hurt just about everybody on the board too. It's what comes AFTER that's important, IMHO.
Byte, you and I have tangled on some issues and I've found you (at times) to be overly sensitive and just a little too willing to "run away from home" in order to....??? Because of MY past history, I react to that as if it were emotional blackmail. You have no idea (or maybe you do) what a friggin' hot-button that can be. But you're a unique voice on the board, and despite our occasional emotional mixups I value your participation and insights.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SOCKPUPPET:
They ganged up on you because you dared to impugn the haute dignity of French cartoonists, jumping on a bandwagon of byte-attack without even reading a word of what you wrote, giving you shit for being *gasp* emotional for defending yourself - and then they had the gall afterwards of pretending to be understanding and reconciliatory...
I know you're playing a role, but don't do this. There was no byte-attack outside of Byte's own words. Don't feed her demons, SP. It's not funny.
And "they" was little old me, with a couple very qualified agreements on very specific elements of my argument from other folks (and one unqualified one from Oonjerah--which seems to have spawned this thead). All the stuff about Byte being "pro-rape" and such was manufactured by her for her own mysterious reasons. She has no one here to defend herself from but herself. And I do hope she wins that fight eventually.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Byte
Chin up. It's just a board of anonymous strangers and a moment in time.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
She has no one here to defend herself from but herself.
Exactly. Byte - geez I hope you grok this someday! Quit beating yourself up. No, you're not perfect, but that doesn't make you a bad person. You're far from it!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I know you're playing a role, but don't do this. There was no byte-attack outside of Byte's own words. Don't feed her demons, SP. It's not funny.
I may not be feeling quite myself all the time but what I said is true. This board is not a fair representation of the human condition. It's a vicious self-feeding monster that consumes its own flesh just for the chance to spit it out into its own eye. That such a beast does not treat you well is not a reflection on you, but could perhaps be a comment on the character of the beast.
Quote:
And "they" was little old me.
And you're still doing it. Maybe there should be a little reconciliation time before the next round of feeding. Jes saying.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, so give it to us again so we can all use it, 'kay? Even I wouldn't mind posting as a sockpuppet named Sockpuppet! ;o)
No special rights, doll. If you wanna play, use the archive like everyone else.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Haha. You egocentric little muppet. It's not all about you (keep repeating it to yourself)
WTF, Magon?! Byte's reflection about the hijack and meander of this thread doesn't mean she is egocentric.
You've said a lot of mean-spirited things here on RWED (so have we all), but that is probably the nastiest thing I've ever heard you say.
Oh shut up CTS. You don't have to defend Byte all the time. yes it was tongue in cheek, but I was also making a point. Byte does make everything about herself, often negatively taking on stuff that is nothing to do with her, feeling responsible for stuff that is not hers to be responsible for, taking everything very personally. I believe that was what Oonj was trying to say in another way.
So to Byte, yes I think you shouldn't take things so personally. It isn't all about you.
And I don't think I am a particularly mean spirited poster. The only person I really get cranky with is DT.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SOCKPUPPET:
No special rights, doll. If you wanna play, use the archive like everyone else.
Hey, I looked - it ain't there!
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Oh shut up CTS.
Pfft. Snicker. Snort.
Quote:And what if I want to? You guys are doing exactly what Sockpuppet said, pretending to be conciliatory, while saying, "Don't worry about fucking up." Well, she didn't fuck up. At all. And if I think so, I'm going to say so.
You don't have to defend Byte all the time.
Quote:Well, then I take back my apology to you.
So to Byte, yes I think you shouldn't take things so personally. It isn't all about you.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
CTS, you're only saying that because you're one of the few people I haven't lashed out at, which at this point pretty much includes only you and Frem. The reason everyone is all saying one thing is because they're right.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hey Byte -
uhhmmmm ... out of curiosity, do you consider that 'everyone' aside from CTS and Frem are blaming/ criticizing you? Your post is puzzling to me. Once again, I find myself baffled. If you would explain, I'd appreciate it.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I too concur with the sockpuppet's last post. (god this could get confusing)
this place is filled with venomous vermin.
kiki, Maybe it's restricted so that other sockpuppets cannot see it. ;p
IIRC it was placed in a spoiler bracket somewhere.
byte,
No, that's not why, it's because everyone here is clinically insane. That includes the people i think of as good people, which i have a short list of half a dozen i know well and another half dozen i think are reasonably cool further out. But what the evil people don't realize is that they don't know they're evil, because they don't know what social evil is.
Social evil is the negativity and the hating of everything and everyone. It's the need, the psychological *need*, to place self as counterpoint to what has just been said, to place oneself in debate in absolute opposition to any opinions or thoughts that are not their own out of a deep seeded internal insecurity requiring them to force their own will over that which does not already conform to it in order to place themselves back into the mental security of ruling all which they see.
If you were to say "I like firefly" to a socially adept audience, they might respond with "Yes, Joss Whedon is the best" or "it's not my favorite of his works, why do you prefer it?" often followed by "okay, I hadn't looked at it from that angle, but I can see why you as an avid libertarian would get excited about it. I might look at it differently next time I see it."
We all know this is how people communicate in normal life when we are out and about, and I know that you have some reasonably popular and cool friends and so you also know this to be more or less an accurate portrayal.
Here's how the socially evil might respond to "I life Firefly."
1) No you don't. You only think you do. You just can't see it's right/left wing propaganda
2) Firefly is violent show, of course you would like something depraved like that, you sicko
3) I hate firefly. It's a show about stupid people watched by stupider people
etc.
Or any variation that might be more tame than that, like "firefly is a violent show"
And then if someone said that, the socially adept might respond with "yes, it can be, but it's about a revolution, and I think the violence serves a purpose to illustrate the conflict; but I can see where it could be disturbing, especially when it comes to reavers."
but if someone said "firefly is a violent show" to a socially evil person, they might respond with. "No it's not." Or "you're only saying that because you've never truly seen it" or "you're too weak to stomach firefly then maybe mommy should tuck you in tighter at night"
Anyway. FFF:RWED is a community of socially evil people, and i mean that in the best possible way, but it's true. Even the best of us, which I can hopefully say without too much trouble are Mike and Rap, are still constantly contradicting each other and trying to get the upper hand on the conversation. The least socially evil person is probably Anthony among rweders, and on fff is likely chrisisall, of all who sometimes post on rwed. But the core of this forum is pretty solidly sunk into this downward spiral of negativity.
Select to view spoiler:
And you can watch this point proven as they respond to this post
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
OOOoohhhh - a secret message that only Byte can see! How intriguing!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey Byte -
uhhmmmm ... out of curiosity, do you consider that 'everyone' aside from CTS and Frem are blaming/ criticizing you? Your post is puzzling to me. Once again, I find myself baffled. If you would explain, I'd appreciate it.
No, it means I remember HURTING all the people I've lashed out at, as I already said. I haven't lashed out at Frem or CTS, which is why they're defending me. They aren't speaking from the same experience you others are - if they had experienced that, they wouldn't be defending me and they'd know why you are all saying what you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:No, I saw you "lash out" at other people. I'm not blind even if it isn't directed at me. You were understandably frustrated because they were not only ganging up on you, but were attacking with ad hominems and strawmen. You were somewhat more emotional than what is normal for you, true, but not enough to have anything to apologize for.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
CTS, you're only saying that because you're one of the few people I haven't lashed out at, which at this point pretty much includes only you and Frem. The reason everyone is all saying one thing is because they're right.
It pisses me off because I see them ganging up on you again, telling you how much you lashed out, as it were, when you didn't lash out any more than they did. Like you were the only one who threw any stones in a crowd of stone throwers. Fuck their patronizing bullshit, Byte. You did nothing wrong.
I'll defend you to my last breath, cause all I see is a pack of hyenas who are ripping up the one of the few people left on this board with any intellectual integrity and social decency. Emotional predators is what they are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Social evil is the negativity and the hating of everything and everyone.
You realize that describes me?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
No, I saw you "lash out" at other people.
That thread was not the only place. I'm telling you I remember hurting people. The proper response to that is to go, welp, this person hurts people, and I don't want to get burned by them.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
Social evil is the negativity and the hating of everything and everyone.
You realize that describes me?
I don't believe that. I hope you're just exaggerating.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
I don't believe that. I hope you're just exaggerating.
It's an ebb and flow process, but I usually hate something or someone at pretty much all times.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote CantTakeSky:
"It pisses me off because I see them ganging up on you again,
telling you how much you lashed out, as it were, when you didn't
lash out any more than they did. Like you were the only one who
threw any stones in a crowd of stone throwers. Fuck their patron-
izing bullshit, Byte. You did nothing wrong."
Yeah, it pisses me off, too, when people gang up on someone.
Look at the origin of this thread:
Byte & I exchanged some PMs. I took it that she was angry with me.
She wanted to post the PMs and ask the opinion of board members.
I agreed.
Her closing line there: "Thank you for reading. Thoughts?"
Board members responded. Some of them as tactless as me.
Should everyone have worded it differently?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hey DT,
You make an excellent point: absolutism is a very dangerous state of mind. It so easily leads to distortion. Absolutism concerning a person is particularly toxic. There's something in our minds that moves toward either/or when the truth is both/and. Just as Firefly is both a great and a flawed show, we all are capable of great decency and harm.
Your post has teased out for me an absolutism of my own, or shifted my perspective to a more questioning frame. Thanks for that.
Well, here it is: I believe self-hatred is a wholly destructive thing. I think it's fundamentally maladaptive, bad for anyone/everyone. And while I'm at it, I generally see hate of any kind as a destructive force. Now you've got me wondering if I can find an upside to self-hatred, be less absolute in my thinking about it.
I guess, like anything else, it can be a tool for self-understanding. And certainly, a consciousness of one's own capacity for hate can create space for humility and compassion for others who hate. But I'm kinda cheating, aren't I? In this sense dying of cancer could be considered a "good" thing, because it can teach us about ourselves and bring us into a fuller appreciation of life as we leave it.
I guess whatever befalls us has its use. But that implies also that it has its misuse. And some things that befall us are definitely more manageable than others. Seems to me the only way to manage hate is to relinquish it the moment it shows up--kinda like the ego in Buddhism. Just let it go, let it go, meditate on death and impermanence.
Still can't make much of a case for hate as something of positive value. Perhaps you'd have better luck. Thoughts?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"... and they'd know why you are all saying what you are."
Well, ahem, not sure 'we' are 'all' saying the same thing. That's why I was wondering what you mean. Anyway >>> I <<< don't feel like I'm saying the same things as anyone else. Just my opinion.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
No, I saw you "lash out" at other people.
That thread was not the only place. I'm telling you I remember hurting people. The proper response to that is to go, welp, this person hurts people, and I don't want to get burned by them.
And I'm telling you that you've got big ole blinders on, that everything you observe is going through the filter of your self-hatred so that it all comes out: "Bytemite is BAD and does bad things and everyone hates her!"
Your filter lies to you. You never hurt me. You have at times interpreted things I said as attacks on you, and maybe you lashed out in return, but this DIDN'T HURT ME. I am resorting to all caps because you don't seem to be getting this. My reaction when you do this kind of thing is not hurt, it's more of a mild annoyance that you're making up a fight where there isn't one, and concern that you're spiraling into a bad place.
But it never hurts me. I've seen you go through this enough that I know you'll come out of it. You just come out of it with even more self-hatred. That's what it means that the only person you need to defend yourself against is yourself. When you take things personally that don't need to be taken that way, you don't hurt other people. You hurt yourself.
As long as you keep looking at yourself as some kind of monstrous villain who hurts people - which is ridiculous - you will continue this pattern of seeing everything as an attack. You will continue to lash out, then blame yourself.
The only way out to give yourself a fucking break. You are NOT a monster, and for Heaven's sake no one here hates you. Let go of your self-hatred long enough to consider that. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel pretty strongly that you've hurt no one to near the degree you think you have. No one but yourself. And no one but YOU can forgive you for that.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Every single person who posts here I remember having done something to hurt them. So no, it's not them. It's me.
I have a pretty good memory, and a long one, but I cannot remember you ever doing anything to hurt me, Byte. If you feel you did something to hurt me, it didn't. I'd say I forgive you, but there was never anything to forgive.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:
It pisses me off because I see them ganging up on you again, telling you how much you lashed out, as it were, when you didn't lash out any more than they did. Like you were the only one who threw any stones in a crowd of stone throwers. Fuck their patronizing bullshit, Byte. You did nothing wrong.
I'll defend you to my last breath, cause all I see is a pack of hyenas who are ripping up the one of the few people left on this board with any intellectual integrity and social decency. Emotional predators is what they are.
Really, that's what you have seen on this board? Really?
Here is a run down of the first page and some of the second. I'm paraphrasing most but here is what I see.
To be fair, Byte started this thread, asking for opinions about what went on.
CTS: I like the way you think, you are not hurtful or dishonest.
Frem: Oonjerah is a sockpuppet – beware
Niki: I see some of things Oonj does. You can be hypersensitive. No one wants you to leave.
Story: “I see Oojn making an effort at understanding, and Byte bbeing Byte in return.”
Kwicko: you can’t get along with everyone. Don’t take things on board.
Mal4: no one dislikes you. You see dislike where there is none.
Oonhj: there is an issue, but I won’t reveal it unless you are interested.
Byte responds “Well, I'm hearing all of you. I'd like you to know that when I get bothered by something, it's because I'm genuinely upset, it's not because I'm putting on an act to score points in an argument.”
Then she apologises to Oonj
Niki:its great you are working it out. Points out that there are those who can hate or dislike on the board.
HCK:I’ll stay out of this. Byte and I were also having trouble communicating.
MD: don’t understand what is going on. Maybe you (Byte) need to think about your reactions in this.
PK:maybe some outside help and perspective would be useful
Mal4:I can understand your frustration, there was a communication breakdown.
Then there was a bit of banter about sock puppetry
Ikiki: I saw you go on the attack. I am puzzled why.
More sock puppetry stuff
Byte – “This thread. It blew up. But it was always going to blow up.
I am the wasteland. It's me. Walking across your fields and leaving them fallow. Eris threw the golden apples and now Troy is besieged.”
MD – “Haha. You egocentric little muppet. It's not all about you (keep repeating it to yourself)”
And so it goes.
Does this really sound like a thread where Byte is being ganged up on or attacked? It sounds like basically people are trying to be helpful to me, at worst being a bit sarcastic (me) and at best being downright encouraging and kind.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
No, I saw you "lash out" at other people.
That thread was not the only place. I'm telling you I remember hurting people. The proper response to that is to go, welp, this person hurts people, and I don't want to get burned by them.
And I'm telling you that you've got big ole blinders on, that everything you observe is going through the filter of your self-hatred so that it all comes out: "Bytemite is BAD and does bad things and everyone hates her!"
Your filter lies to you. You never hurt me. You have at times interpreted things I said as attacks on you, and maybe you lashed out in return, but this DIDN'T HURT ME. I am resorting to all caps because you don't seem to be getting this. My reaction when you do this kind of thing is not hurt, it's more of a mild annoyance that you're making up a fight where there isn't one, and concern that you're spiraling into a bad place.
But it never hurts me. I've seen you go through this enough that I know you'll come out of it. You just come out of it with even more self-hatred. That's what it means that the only person you need to defend yourself against is yourself. When you take things personally that don't need to be taken that way, you don't hurt other people. You hurt yourself.
As long as you keep looking at yourself as some kind of monstrous villain who hurts people - which is ridiculous - you will continue this pattern of seeing everything as an attack. You will continue to lash out, then blame yourself.
The only way out to give yourself a fucking break. You are NOT a monster, and for Heaven's sake no one here hates you. Let go of your self-hatred long enough to consider that. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel pretty strongly that you've hurt no one to near the degree you think you have. No one but yourself. And no one but YOU can forgive you for that.
^ This. Exactly this. What M4P said, to the letter.
Byte, you've never hurt me. We've disagreed on some things. If all you feel you have is hate, then use hate as an energy. Hate is a passion, and you can make your passions work for you. Lots of people use their passions as their motivation; some use love, some use fear, some use compassion, some use hate. If you have hate, then let hate push you to DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THINGS.
At some point, you may find that your hate has abated, and you've found something to love.
Is that an ideal solution for everybody? Of course not. But I don't really believe in that whole "there's one big solution that works for everyone" kind of world, either. Some people find their energy in love, or in kindness, or in being upbeat people. Others have anger. Both can be motivators, though.
If you have a destructive personality, learn to focus it on things that should be destroyed. Frem is quite an object lesson in this; look at where he aimed his fury, and what he's been able to do with it.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Defending the board psychopath is ill-advised.
Sorry, That title is already taken. You don't get to take the role. Not even River could take that crown.
I know you too well, you're not at all socially evil. I know a lot of these people, you don't even come close. You're just feeling broken because you've subjected yourself to the emotional torture that is RWED, and these vermin fed on you like rabid parasites.
HK,
Interesting. First, wow, someone actually read something I posted.
Is even hate a redeemable concept. If one can turn it into a contemplative discovery of differences, I guess, that's one approach. I could take my hatred of the NWO and analyze why. I think I would say in part that I see the NWO as in my way, and in part I just see it as damaging to life in general, and in part I see it as something coming from an extremely different world view than mine, one based almost entirely on fear of anything which is not it.
But hate is too often a rallying point for group hate, and then mass behavior and attack. If we were primitive tribes we might go to war, and if we were nations, that war might be disastrous. It certainly is a dangerous fire that goes out of control fast.
Is self loathing itself redeemable? I'm not sure. I think of it as wholly destructive as well, but if it becomes a vehicle of self reflection then I can see it has possibly having redeeming value.
In this case, I think that Byte is trying to wall people out of her life, which probably is a result of their input collectively hurting more than it helps, and so it's painful to have them there.
I concur mostly with what Mal said, even if there are some haters here, and it's not just in her head, but I can see definitely where this board collectively can get to people and that negativity seeps through and fills you with evil and you find yourself doing it to other people off the board. Sometimes we have to take a break.
To that point, I don't know if anyone hates byte, but there are always haters, and venomous people that will spew venom anyway, but I know she has never hurt me. There are also people here who adore byte.
For me, whether or not I am here depends somewhat on the balance of who is posting. There are people whose input I value and those who I find to be on balance destructive, and my analysis of the character of the board is liable to come from that balance.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Mal4Prez:If I've had to be forgiven, then I've hurt people. That this is clearly indicative of a larger trend and issue I have is something that I have to deal with. It already appears to have gotten somewhat out of hand. I can't take that risk, and it's unfair to the rest of you.
1kiki: Well, not exactly the same thing, but everyone has had a valid complaint.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
No, DT. First of all, I'm addicted to posting here, so if anyone is parasitic it's me. And if anyone is TOXIC then it's me, as people have already observed.
I'm walling people out for the same reason I've cut connections to friends and family off-line: because I mistreat them.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
This place is pretty toxic, it's not you. I've been here watching, and so have a lot of others.
You're basically feeling hurt because 1kiki and occasionally magon are attacking you. They attack absolutely everyone, you don't win a special prize because they don't like you, they argue with their cat, and their own sockpuppets.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Then you are not watching closely. If you will observe, this thread provides ample evidence for my having attacked 1kiki, Sig, Niki, Magons, Storymark, Chris, Anthony, Mal4Prez, and Oonj. I also know that I have attacked AURaptor, you, and Hero, and I've wanted to attack Kwicko but couldn't make myself do it.
So it's really not them.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:"Don't be so hard on yourself for fucking up, Byte" or "Yeah, you were hurtful, but at least you're nice enough to take responsibility for it" is NOT encouraging and kind when she DID NOT even do anything wrong to begin with.
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
... best being downright encouraging and kind.
Apophasis should not be confused with kindness. It's passive aggressive.
Mal4 and Kwicko, THANK YOU for telling Byte what I've been trying to tell her. She did NOT hurt you guys. THANK YOU.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Okay, this is starting to tick me off. Why can't any of you just believe what I am telling you? I have told you all time and again that I'm mean-spirited and vindictive and you've SEEN me act that way. You know that eventually it will turn on you because it takes pretty much no provocation.
And yet you're all still like, oh we trust you, we care about you. All of this trust and concern is dangerous for you. What exactly do I have to do to convince you?
Ergh. You know, I think this thread has served it's purpose. I apologized to Oonj, and I warned you all - again. Whether or not you heed that is up to you. In the meantime, I will continue to work on these issues.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I feel in some ways I understand you. This is how it looks to me: You have daemons independently running routines in the background. One is hostility/rage, another is mendacity, and another is paranoia. They each have good ports to the rest of the system, each with an interrupt function that can override all but some select programs specific to each of them. You also have control over most of the system's peripherals, but you're uncertain if that firewall is sturdy enough to work 100% of the time. You're concerned that at some point the daemons will run in sync, interrupt the rest of the system entirely and override the firewalls - and THEN what?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
No, that's not why, it's because everyone here is clinically insane.
Gee, project much?
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Then you are not watching closely. If you will observe, this thread provides ample evidence for my having attacked 1kiki, Sig, Niki, Magons, Storymark, Chris, Anthony, Mal4Prez, and Oonj. I also know that I have attacked AURaptor, you, and Hero, and I've wanted to attack Kwicko but couldn't make myself do it.
So it's really not them.
By all means, don't hold back on my account. You won't spare my feelings, I promise you. Not because I don't have any, but because you being honest, even bluntly so, is not going to hurt me. I promise. If you can lessen your own pain by hurtling it at someone else for a time, then by all means, let me be your wall, and hit me with all you've got. I've been beaten, shot at, stabbed, attacked by dogs, abused by family, hit by cars, *run over* by a car, had my skull fractured twice, had a claw hammer buried in the back of my head.
If I'm not dead yet, it's not because I'm a delicate flower, I promise you.
You can hold on to your pain, or you can give it away. I recommend the latter.
I cannot speak for Frem, but I know you haven't hurt him, either. You can lash out, and he's one of the ones who will actually understand it. He is, for all intents and purposes, this site's Speaker for the Dead, as it were.
Besides... you're on our boat. You're part of our crew. That means we have to look out for you, even when you despise us for it.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Nicely put, Mike.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Wow, this thread is really interesting. Byte, you're braver than me, if me and my nemesis Wish were having a PM disagreement I wouldn't be brave enough to seek other opinions, because I'm not as understanding. I'd certainly ask you because you're my good friend, but I would be afraid to show the others what we'd been disagreeing about. For the record, Wish and I have never had a PM argument.
I think ultimately you and Oonj are just very different, you described it well in a letter you sent me once. You don't have to be friends and you know that already.
This got me thinking: People were able to describe what other people's writing makes them sound like. What does my writing make me sound like?
If I weren't so lazy I'd probably be sorely tempted to make a sock puppet, just for fun, to see if I could trick y'all, but we all know that it wouldn't work because I always sound like me, I don't know how to sound like anyone else. Whenever I play pretends all my charactors have me in them, the good guys and the bad guys alike, they are all coming from me because I'm the one playing them, and we only fully know ourselves, sometimes we don't even totally understand ourselves much less anyone else, so it always comes from somewhere you know?
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME