The predictions thread
POSTED BY: kpo
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 18:54
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Bill Maher - "I think this is the week Mitt Romney lost the election,
I do think he kind of made himself toast, I’m not saying that because that’s what I wish"
Ezra Klein - "fact is that the last time Romney led in the RCP poll average was 10/11/2011. He's in real trouble."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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KPO -Correct, more unrest in the world. Embassies sacked, riots in Europe, and Florida cities burn with race killings. Fast and Furious documents are held back till after the election. Independent ivestigation to OBama's role in it. Eric Holder will be fired and sent to jail. Rumors of impeachment if Obama is elected. The Euro bailout fails again. Germans then France pullout of the Euro. Greeks get on the silver standard. Gold and Silver prices go to all time highs. Civil war in Spain. Italy colapses. But the big one is Russia. Putnin becomes the new zsar. Installs a form of marshall law. People are excuted who speak out. The Russian military regains it's reign invades Syria. China sends troop to Africa to protect it's growing colonalism. The surprise is their carrier fleet set sails ahead of schedule by 10 years. Jews from around the world come home to protect Israel from Iran. In America the X factor is renewed one more season surprise guest not revealed.
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That's quite a list of predictions, oh feline buccaneer. I salute you.
ETA:
Re: 47%-gate:
kpo - "I'm not sure how much further Romney can drive down his own poll numbers... he must be approaching his floor? But this certainly makes his task of making up the ground harder.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Obama will trounce Romney, but it won't be a real world event. It's a staged theater event. Romney isn't trying to win, he's trying to convince people that there is an axis of opposition to Obama that is 97% Obama, whom he works for, and that the other 3% is called "Obama should be more pro-corporate police state than he already is if that's even conceivably possible" a message that Obama wrote because he wants to move in that direction, and wants the republicans to pull him that way. Because Obama is Bush is Clinton, it's all the NWO as Bush Sr. said.
It's the same team, and they're playing you guys like a dogfight. Sorry, just calling it as I see it. There's a reason I avoid FFF on these election year slides. See y'all other side of november, keep it shiny, don't lose any more bagels.
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And, the thread is degrading from predictions to consipiracy theories....great.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Um, no, when I get into conspiracy theory, you'll know, it will have a WARNING:CONSPIRACY THEORY
This is me saying "WTF?" Do you guys really think there is a huge difference between these people who all work together and like they really oppose each other? That would be like saying your spectrum of intellectual pursuits ran from Paris Hilton to Kim Kardashian, who were diametrically opposed axes of the spacetime contiuum. Frankly, it's mindboggling.
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Um, no, when I get into conspiracy theory, you'll know, it will have a WARNING:CONSPIRACY THEORY
This is me saying "WTF?" Do you guys really think there is a huge difference between these people who all work together and like they really oppose each other? That would be like saying your spectrum of intellectual pursuits ran from Paris Hilton to Kim Kardashian, who were diametrically opposed axes of the spacetime contiuum. Frankly, it's mindboggling.
I'm curious as to why the Koch brothers would pledge $400,000,000 of their own money only to one side, if both sides are identical in their beliefs and agenda. Wouldn't splitting the money more likely guarantee an outcome they'd be most happy with? Hell, wouldn't just not spending the money at all have the same outcome? Are you in the habit of spending hundreds of millions of dollars needlessly on something you know won't help you or make any difference in your life whatsoever?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
This is me saying "WTF?" Do you guys really think there is a huge difference between these people who all work together and like they really oppose each other?
There is a lot of overlap, sure. But yes, I think there is also a great deal of difference. To say they're entirely the same is just incredibly myopic.
And either way, your personal diatribe about how the world works according to DT still isn't the point of the thread. You want to soap-box, start a thread fo your own.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Mike,
Because they're not voting for ideols, they're hiring employees.
Story
Not incredibly, no. They look identical to me. Particularly Romney and Obama, the two most similar candidates I've seen yet. Romney's record in Mass. could have been made by Obama right down to the Obomneycare and the social issues.
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Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Not incredibly, no. They look identical to me. Particularly Romney and Obama, the two most similar candidates I've seen yet. Romney's record in Mass. could have been made by Obama right down to the Obomneycare and the social issues.
You must not be listening to what they are saying.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Mike,
Because they're not voting for ideols, they're hiring employees.
These are the people who are arguing for doing away with the minimum wage. Don't you think they're grossly overpaying for a mere "employee" if they're paying him $400,000,000 for a four-year gig?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Nick
Why would I listen to what they say? What they say has nothing to do with what they do, and it is no different from what their party spokesperson said last time. My party, the democratic party, has been running on a near identical platform revolving around the buzzwords of hope and change since it was introduced by FDR in 1932.
What they say is what the party told them to say. That's designed to split the voters in half so the 1%ers running can clean up the support of the sheeple.
What I care about is what they do. What Obama did in Illinois, what Romney did in Massachusetts, and now what Obama did in his first term. Not that it will make a huge amount of difference as no one could get in without being in the club, and being a 1%er, and president is nowhere near as powerful a position as people think it is.
What worries me more about these two people as individuals is actually outside of either box: It's what Obama did as a neo-malthusian, his vision of constitutional law, and his involvement in the chicago school, the last of which being the main reason I didn't vote for him last time, because I thought he would be an economic disaster. I think I was proven correct. However, my biggest personal worry for me with Romney is what he did at Bain capital which leads me to suspect he would be an even bigger economic disaster. That said, I can't vote for either one: One guy I support 5% and the other one 10% is not enough reason to choose one. It's sort of like choosing which bully should beat you up in the playground after school on the grounds that one of them once gave you his chocolate milk.
Mike,
Actually, everything I just said to Nick first, but adding this:
I think the president's salary is $400k, not $400M, but not directly what I meant. I mean that the Koch brothers invaded Ron Paul's tea party to make it their own because they saw the opportunity to become power brokers and sell policy to corporations. I think it works something like this. Koch bros give $ to Rand Paul to get him elected, and in return, they get to be the channel for the resale of his policy decisions. Then corporations step up and offer more campaign $ and various other fringe benefits (hookers and coke and a little cash on the side) in exchange for policy votes in the company's favor. This system, unfortunately, we're calling "democracy."
ETA: to clarify, by employees i meant people like Rand Paul, or whomever they throw money at, I think you got that part, but I figured other people were reading, might get confusing.
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Don't you already have a "they both SUCK" thread? Stop hijacking this one. It ran for weeks without anyone making it their personal tantrum land.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Story,
You're still a dick. Some things never change.
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I predict this thread will get back on track, predictably serving its purpose.
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I don't mind other conversation in the thread - that's why the predictions are in red. Ideally though (as in any thread) the conversation is not too disconnected from the topic.
HKCavalier says Romney's political career is over.
Niki - "The upcoming debates may make a difference, but given that Obama can attack him on what he said in private, his tax returns, plus his stances on a number of other issues, it doesn't look to rosy to me (for Romney)."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Flag these two as well.
Pensylvania/Sandusky abuses scale wider and deeper than admitted - as I see one of Ambramoffs pimped kids has come forward, dunno the details of that, but he's pointed the finger square at Sandusky, and there's more behind it.
And, well, Mitt the Shit - I think we can cap that one with an I-told-you-so here.
One potentive prediction - the Israel-firsters and the likudnik asshats over there are less than pleased with Obama not hopping to their tune on command and have started throwing in behind Romney since they think he's more gullible and bendable, and when his campaign finally implodes there's a substantial chance that might pry our political crowd an inch or too offa practically fellating the bastards.
-Frem
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M52 - "Unfortunately nearly half the country is still going to vote for Romney and the GOP will still control the House. The GOP is far from being finished off."
Signy - "The REAL problems for the winner... whoever it is ... go far beyond the Democratic/ Republican and center/right domestic dynamic. Economists are thinking there could be an even bigger economic downturn waiting in 2013, which could be precipitated by any number of non-USA events. Greece might still exit the Eurozone, which would drive Spain and Portugal into bankruptcy. The Chinese economy looks like it's coming down for a hard landing because their policy of increasing internal demand and investing in infrastructure hasn't been enough. Brazil is slowing down. Everyone is looking for a market for their goods, because very few are able to buy. There is also the problem global climate shift..."
ETA:
A few more, this first one I agree with and wanted to make myself just before Romney's response to the US Libya Ambassador being killed:
Kevin Drum - "The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks."
Kevin Drum - "The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him."
Paul Krugman (on Romney) - "although the odds are now against him, this is by no means over."
Paul Krugman - "This still might be a close election thanks to the weakness of the economy, and a better candidate than Romney might have had a better chance of pulling it off. But the long-term fundamentals are not good for Republicans."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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98% of MSNBC viewers think Obama will win Ohio:
90% of Fox viewers think Romney will win Ohio:
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Story,
You're still a dick. Some things never change.
Yes, yes, Im a dick for suggesting you not hijack threads with a tantrum you already had going elsewqhere.
I can live with that.
Meanwhile, you're still a nutter throwing fits.
Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Niki thinks that voter suppression "could--and maybe WILL--decide this election."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Auraptor - "if the GOP wins ( and they will)..."
Jongstraw (ever pessimistic) - "Another generation or two and there will be no conservatives anymore in America. After Romney loses, there may not be any Republican Party anymore either."
Jongstraw - "I'm expecting this first debate to be won by Obama. The harsh reality for me is that Romney has big trouble thinking on his feet, as he's not very glib. He's also not a great campaigner, and I see no way he can defeat Obama."
ETA:
Cavetroll - "I can't wait to see the comedy when Smilin' Joe Biden gets away from his handlers. I expect Ryan to vigorously apply the crowbar of truth and logic to Biden's head. "
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Storymark - "This will, at best, give Romney a tiny bump in the national polls, that's about it."
Jongstraw (optimism??) - "Based on last night's drubbing of Obama I'm starting to think that Romney might actually have a longshot chance to beat him in November."
Jongstraw - "Just wait until the debate shifts to foreign policy. Imagine how Obama is going to squirm and hold his head down in shame and humiliation over his negligence and culpability for the deadly Libya terrorist attack, as well as the complete failure of his Middle East outreach to Muslims policies..."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Hey, you're documentation of my ongoing lack of confidence in Republicans is dangerous. Why me anyhow? Plenty of other Cons to quote from. Don't you realize that people know where I live! If I end up dying in a car explosion it will be your fault, and my operatives will have no choice but to seek revenge. And some of them are alternate universe Vulcans. But cerealously, you've been admirably honest in re-stating my quotes and opinions. Thanks.
Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.
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Hey you're welcome JS, but I try to document every interesting prediction I find, and I try to do so faithfully. Thank you for sticking your neck out and making predictions so often.
CTS, in the 'Iran's currency plummets in value' thread - "We shouldn't gloat, cause our turn is next."
ETA:
Cavetroll reports on $16T of secret bailouts to foreign and US banks by the Fed, and asks "Can Weimar style inflation be far off?"
Cavetroll on the surprise drop in the unemployment rate a month before the election - "I'm sure in a month or so, quietly, on a Friday afternoon, the numbers will be adjusted to their actual point."
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Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Nick
Why would I listen to what they say? What they say has nothing to do with what they do, and it is no different from what their party spokesperson said last time. My party, the democratic party, has been running on a near identical platform revolving around the buzzwords of hope and change since it was introduced by FDR in 1932.
I'm a member of the party also. As such I would like to remind you where the door is and how to use it if you would like. See the party has been running on many of the same things for a long time. We will continue until those things are accomplished.
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What they say is what the party told them to say. That's designed to split the voters in half so the 1%ers running can clean up the support of the sheeple.
Yes, because member so both parties always toe the line...oh wait no they don't.
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What I care about is what they do. What Obama did in Illinois, what Romney did in Massachusetts, and now what Obama did in his first term. Not that it will make a huge amount of difference as no one could get in without being in the club, and being a 1%er, and president is nowhere near as powerful a position as people think it is.
Oh look it is the old "TPTB" cop-out argument. The President of the Unitied States is the most powerful position in the world, bar none. No, the President does not have unlimited or total power but of course that is why they often have to do the things they do. They have to work with Congress.
Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What worries me more about these two people as individuals is actually outside of either box: It's what Obama did as a neo-malthusian, his vision of constitutional law, and his involvement in the chicago school, the last of which being the main reason I didn't vote for him last time, because I thought he would be an economic disaster. I think I was proven correct. However, my biggest personal worry for me with Romney is what he did at Bain capital which leads me to suspect he would be an even bigger economic disaster. That said, I can't vote for either one: One guy I support 5% and the other one 10% is not enough reason to choose one. It's sort of like choosing which bully should beat you up in the playground after school on the grounds that one of them once gave you his chocolate milk.
The economy tanked before Obama was in office, since than it has bottomed out and started to recover. So, no you where not proven correct in any way shape or form.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Jongstraw on Benghazi-gate:Quote:
"When Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, and Jay Carney all get their sorry lying butts hauled in there to testify under oath, this will be Obama's Watergate.
Yesterday I asked questions, today I'll answer them myself....
Is this going to matter at all on Election Day, when the public is so focused on the economy? .....Hard to say now
Will Susan Rice resign? .....Yes
Will Hillary Clinton resign? .....Never
Will The House panel get answers from anyone involved, or will it be another waste of time? .....Already getting startling answers
Will the CBS reporter get fired for her great investigative reporting on this because it hurts Obama?......No
Will this come up during the VP debate Thursday, and if so, what wll Biden say?.....I hope so. Biden will say as little as possible, or just continue the absurd lie that it was due to a you tube video
Will this come up during the 10/22 Presidential debate, and if so, what will Romney accuse Obama of?.....Yes, big time. I'm not sure how Romney will handle it.
How is Obama going to possibly get out of this mess?..... He's not. He can't. It's a potential game changer. "
It's not personal. It's just war.
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On the upcoming VP debate:
kpo:Quote:
Call me crazy but I don't think Biden will lose the VP debate - and might even edge it. Reasons why:
* The Obama campaign knows they have to fight back after the first debate
* The job of VP is not very demanding, so Biden will have had better preparation than Obama
* Biden will be willing to get down and dirty and go on the attack and counter-attack, without having to worry about 'appearing presidential'.
* Ryan will struggle to position himself as a centrist as Romney was able to do - he has no moderate history
Jongstraw:Quote:
"I think Biden will win this debate. I say that because Ryan doesn't have nearly the same aura of likeability as Biden. Ryan's basically a slick numbers wonk, and his oratory is somewhat stilted. He starts in on financial stuff and everyone falls asleep. Biden's going to be fired up...
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Predictions on the second debate (better late than never):
kpo - "I think Obama will do better in this debate, and enough to halt Romney's momentum in the polls."
Kwicko - "I predict that no matter what happens, Republicans will claim that Romney won."
HK - "Mitt's momentum is already flagging, and it will continue. Romney will be off his game, the slightest hint of fear returning to in his eyes, because honestly he's terrified of losing. Obama will risk the "angry black man" thing for once. But overall he will be "Mr. Congeniality." Of course it will be ruled a Romney win by the ditto heads because it is simply impossible for Obama to be good at anything in their eyes. Obama win."
HK - "Also, much higher viewership than the first will further hurt Romney in the polls."
Auraptor (on Obama) - "He's all but vowed to be a dick to Romney, but it's an empty threat. Coming off aggressive, and rude, as Biden was to Ryan in the VP debate will backfire in a Town Hall like forum."
Auraptor - "Most likely outcome will be a draw, where either side will claim victory. If there's a repeat of the 1st debate, this race is over. Some ( like Neal Boortz ) go so far as to claim that, if Romney wipes the floor w/ Obama again, there won't even BE a 3rd debate."
Hero - "if Obama gets trounced again, it could be all over but the shouting."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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And some fallout:
Mal 4 - "When Obama fucked up the first debate, it gave the Romney-side hope and kept money flowing to the R-presidential ticket. It robbed support from the Congressional races for several critical days.
Now O is back, and the momentum will shift to where it was before the first debate: Romney near dead in the water. But now it's less useful for the superPACs to shift to the down-ticket races."
Mal4 - "Based on policies, I think that this election is a goner, and it's been gone for a while now. Romney is just so damned weak. Why the hell would a party run a 1%-er, when the 1%-ers are the prime scapegoats of the day? Stupid. Just really stupid."
Niki - "I think Romney is on his way to being toast."
Hero - "The biggest weathervane of who won came from the focus groups of undecided voters. In every case those voters shifted dramatically towards Romney. In fact the shift was as pronounced as what occurred in the first debate."
Hero - "I note for the record that Obama is polling in the 45-47% range, yet only 39% thought he won the debate. This does not make for a winning night."
Jongstraw - "Perhaps Axelrod and Plough have taken Obama down a losing path, a road to ruin. Who knows."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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The above quotes from Hero are neither predictions, nor factual.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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There's a bit of a prediction at the end of the second quote... They fall into the category of 'statements that it will be interesting to look back on once the election is over and the debates' impact are truly understood'.
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Fair enough.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Rappy predicts "And this is BEFORE Mitt's 2 terms as President."
He's already called this election and the next one as well!
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Signy - "Obama will keep things on a more-or-less barely tolerable level. But every step Romney takes will be a step closer to economic Armageddon."
Hero (to Story) - "It's worse then you think. The polls are still over sampling democrats. That means the shift is far, far more dire then you think."
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Hero asks: "What is his (Obama's) plan for all the Doctors who plan to stop or reduce their practice because of ObamaCare?"
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Pre 3rd debate predictions:
kpo - "I predict no clear winner in this one."
HK - "Romney's mush-mouthism will be up for discussion in all but the most conservative media. He's in a bind, because all of the right's talking points--Obama is a failure, Obama wants to shut down the Defense Department--simply can't hold up in a two-way conversation. Obama's gonna spike the ball on this one, but the media will continue to strive for "balance" and downplay Obama's obvious command of the stage. In any case, Obama win."
Hero - "Barrack Obama will be cold."
Mal4:
"1. There won't be any sound bite as good as "binders full of women". It's just not possible to top that. Prove me wrong, Mitt. I dare you.
2. There's going to be some serious fireworks of disagreement between Mitt and July Mitt and May Mitt and let's not even talk about the severity of dissonance with February Mitt.
3. Mitt will tell us 20 times how he's going to fix EVERYTHING, but he will never say how he actually plans on doing any of it.
4. Obama will do a lot of braying about his foreign policy successes, but sadly won't do enough calling out of Mitt's failures."
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Post 3rd debate fallout:
Hero - "In short Romney did not lose, nor did he win...Obama however lost big..."
Jongs - "I don't know how Obama "lost big". I watched the debate, I didn't see that."
Jongs - "I think the current trends and numbers favor Romney to win, but I'm cautious to believe that..."
Niki - ""Will it turn out that etch-a-sketch can really win?" I'm fearful it might. Or that, if it's close, all the various voter-suppression techniques will win it for him. Talk about scared shitless..."
Niki - "We are in for bad times if Romney wins, far worse than we've seen yet. Ironically however, if he and the Repubs did nothing at all, we'd most likely continue on this slow road to recovery and the Repubs would get the credit. If, however, they put in place the policies they've SAID they would, we're in deep shit. And if Romney wins, I fear we can look forward to further involvement in Afghanistan, return to Iraq and another war...or two...or..."
M52Nick, on Obama if he loses the popular vote but wins the election - "Oh boy would the taking heads on the right lose there minds if that happened."
Ezra Klein, same scenario - "The fiscal cliff is going to be an insane mess."
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Kevin Drum (of Mother Jones) - "No matter who wins, I predict that on November 7 Republicans will lose all interest in Beghazi."
Josh Jordan (National Review) - "Nate Silver is openly rooting for Obama, and it shows in the way he forecasts the election."
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From the Crystal Ball thread:
WishIMay - "I predict Obummer will win again, solely because the thumbs up thumbs down comment things are almost always in favor of him."
SignY - "I think Romney. Obama looks weak, and Romney is making a lot of promises."
1Kiki - "Given that the numbers are mixed/ close but the Romney side has fired-up intention and energy, I guess I'd go with Romney since they have a better chance of getting out the vote. I also wouldn't rule out voting machine shenanigans."
HK - "Obama wins. A lot of right wingers are fundamentalist Christians and as much as they may tell folk they're "for Romney," when they are alone in the voting booth they won't be able to bring themselves to vote for a satanic cultist. It'll be interesting because there should be a noticeable discrepancy between exit polls saying yea Romney and actual votes counted from folks who couldn't pull for the Mormon. This will fuel a lot of very nasty insinuations from the right and there will be protests and I am here predicting that there will be armed violence coming from the right after the election. I can't tell how bad it's gonna get in general, but in some quarters it's gonna get pretty bad. Not Zombie Apocalypse bad, but overturning cars and setting fires bad and some shootings. There's gonna be an uptick in violent crimes against black people... Obama wins decisively in the EC, and not so decisively if at all in the popular vote. "
Riona - "I predict Obama will win again"
Jo753 - "I predict Obama."
Kwico - "My take? Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed."
kpo - "The polls seem to have broke in Obama's favour now - at a good time. Obama to win the electoral college comfortably, and the national vote very slightly. Probably more low, dishonest, dirty tactics from the Romney campaign over the next few days."
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Niall Ferguson (right-wing economist) predicts a november foreign policy 'surprise' from Obama - one-on-one talks with Iran, or giving Israel a green light to attack their nuclear facilities, and so on: "never underestimate the ruthlessness of the Chicago machine that has been the key to Barack Obama’s rise. With his fall suddenly a real possibility, the only thing that would really surprise me would be no October—or November—surprise."
Kevin Drum (Mother Jones): Niall Ferguson is 'soon to be irrelevant'.
David Frum - "we won't reform the congressional GOP by re-electing President Obama. If anything, an Obama re-election will not only aggravate the extremism of the congressional GOP, but also empower them: an Obama re-election raises the odds in favor of big sixth-year sweep for the congressional GOP - and very possibly a seventh-year impeachment."
(This from an article suggesting we should elect the GOP!)
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Jeezus. People are weird. Politicians are even weirder.
I'm finally ready to make my prediction: Obama. I think the "October Surprise" of Sandy will do Romney in. And boy, it got here JUST in time--to make an "October surprise", not for the destruction happening in time to salvage the election for Obama, in case any of our righties were poised to jump on that. Everyone's been talking about an October Surprise for so longer I'm sure we're all sick of it, but who expected something like THIS?!
My fear, also, is that the GOP will go FURTHER right (gawd help us...and THEM!). On the other hand, if Romney won they'd have the power to take the whole COUNTRY further right...and in the opinion of many, all but destroy it! If Obama wins, all they can do is stop the country from healing faster. What a mess...
(Boy, Obama better hurry up if Ferguson's predictions are to come true...he's only got four DAYS to start talks with Iran or let Israel bomb them!)
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I've just decided, at the end of the year or some other suitable time I'm going to compile a list of 'Top 10 best and Top 10 worst Predictions'. Should be fun, and I can promise you that Niall Ferguson's zany Obama prediction will make one of those lists...
ETA: A commentary on David Frum's 'very odd' endorsement: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/11/frum-gop-will-destroy-am
erica-if-we-reelect-obama-so-we-must-let-gop-win
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Good article. Frum is out of his mind. Worth clicking on the link to read the rest. But you missed some of the best From Frum. The title is a gas: "The GOP Will Destroy America If We Reelect Obama, So We Must Let the GOP Win" {?!?!?!}
But there are even more giggles in the article itself:Quote:
First, he figures that Obamacare will survive no matter what, so he'd rather have a Republican in charge of implementing it. {????}
Frum also has a peculiarly hostile reading of Obama's Osawatomie speech from last year, which he thinks is an indication that Obama wants to vastly expand government employment.
That one's funny in and of itself, given the facts:
But then, that cry of "they'll make government BIGGER" is one we're all used to by now...
And I like the author's assessment of Frum's argument about the GOP:Quote:
DAMNED straight!
No country can survive with this attitude. If congressional Republicans are truly a destructive and irrational force in American politics—and God knows, I agree with Frum about that—the answer is to fight them, not to surrender to them. That way lies madness.
ETA: KPO, please DO...it will be a gas to read, whatever the outcome.
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OK, we've heard from Frum and Drum, now it's time to hear from Shrum:
Robert Shrum (liberal commentator) - 'R.I.P., Mitt Romney': http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/02/r-i-p-mitt-romney.htm
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If Obama wins the right-wing knives will come out for Mitt Romney very quickly.
ETA:
6ixStringJack - "Obama is out..."
kpo - "I don't think it's going to come down to Florida."
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Well, it's going to be a busy few days going through this thread to separate the wheat from the chaff...
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Should be interesting Kwick. Next thing is to canvass predictions on what Obama re-election means for the country though.
kpo - "I predict we'll see a spike in racist sentiment over coming days and weeks, as racists unravel at the reality of a second Obama term."
Ezra Klein - "The nature of tonight's GOP loss - demographics turning decisively against them - seems certain to trigger an internal war."
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Well, for starters, it means Romney's done. The GOP will be tearing itself asunder looking for ways to blame the entire loss on him, and blaming him for not being a "real" conservative.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Within days of the election we will see the stock market take a down turn as companies start cancelling new building, but will continue with maintenance. I'd say energy will take the biggest hit. Coal, oil and nuclear.
When social security came along corporations cut their pension benefits to their employees. Corporations will replace their health insurance benefits with the government ACA plan, cutting employee hours so they are less than "full time". This will be a double hit. Worse healthcare and less tax money into the government coffers.
Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons
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Why conservative predictions about the election fared so badly:
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It is easy to close oneself off inside a conservative echo chamber. And right-leaning outlets like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's show are far more intellectually closed than CNN or public radio. If you're a rank-and-file conservative, you're probably ready to acknowledge that ideologically friendly media didn't accurately inform you about Election 2012. Some pundits engaged in wishful thing; others feigned confidence in hopes that it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy; still others decided it was smart to keep telling right-leaning audiences what they wanted to hear.
...
On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.
The whole article's a good read: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/how-conservative-m
edia-lost-to-the-msm-and-failed-the-rankandfile/264855/
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What a diagram this is! How close to the mark were Conservative and liberal pundits' predictions?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/pundi
t_scorecard_checking_pundits_predictions_against_the_actual_results.html
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Oh, missed this one, Hero predicts things won't go Obama's way in the swing states:
Hero - "Oh Obama, my old friend. Have you not heard the old Kilingon proverb that revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold...in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and possibly Pennsylvania if turnout is low in Philadelphia."
Is it me, or did Obama win every one of those states? 
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Riona - "remember how a while ago everyone said "allowing same sex marriage isn't a slippery slope thing, allowing that won't allow other things"? Now they're saying, "well go for it guys, no holds barred!". Next they'll want to lower the age of concent so we can be like Pakistan, where 12 year olds marry 50 year olds."
Hero foresees an Israeli attack on Iran: "They (Iran) know Isreal is coming, we know Isreal is going..."
Auraptor, on a possible conservative post-election exodus:
"I suspect many folks who we've never even heard about will do exactly that, sell what they can and get the hell out of dodge..."
"...we may not know their names, or even the companies they run, but if they do pull up and 'Shrug', it's going to cause some ripples."
"Rule of law and rights to property ownership are high on the list for countries to look into. It's gonna get bad here. Real bad."
"People who have worked their entire lives, very hard for their money, and yes, who DID build that, have an actual, tangible reason to be fearful of this President. He LITERALLY wants to take away from them what they earned."
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Kwicko wrote:
Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed.
Nope. Obama took every one of those, and then some.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Here's an idea I've had, a bit of an experiment and something I've wanted to do for a while.
The point of this thread is to be a public record of people's predictions. You can post your own, or other people's that you've read and found interesting, so that we can all see in months and years to come who turned out to be accurate in their predictions, and who didn't. It's a chance to stick your neck out, or stick other people's out for them if you think their comments come out of a deluded partisan bubble.
I have one rule, and that is that people post their predictions in red font. The idea of this is that the predictions will stand out and be easy to find and read, and then all discussion can happen around them. Besides that one rule I'll just make a general plea to posters to be faithful when quoting other people, and to keep flame wars to a minimum.
How to post in red font
It's quite easy, post in red font by putting the code font color=red inside triangle brackets like this:. That goes before the text you want to be red. To turn off font color use this code: /font color inside triangle brackets, to return to ordinary font.
Here's a couple of predictions I've read recently and found interesting, to get the ball rolling (I'm paraprashing, from memory):
Auraptor: "The GOP will beat Obama by double digits in November."
Storymark: "Mitt Romney will be the GOP's John Kerry."
Yes to Story's prediction, quite a resounding NO to Rappy's.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
I predict that as the election approaches, the opposition party will become more vehement and offensive, while the incumbent party will become more stringent in their defense of a president who has done little to recommend him.
--Anthony
Yup.
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George Soros predicts that if the Republicans win the white house in 2012 they will undergo a 'miraculous transformation' and decide the economy needs more stimulus.
Indeterminate, since it didn't happen.
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Is a lighter shade of red ok? Spot of humor ok?
I predict that Gingrich, Paul, Romney & Santorum will be in a virtual dead heat before the Convention. The Republican party will drop them and nominate Arnold Schwarzenegger, pushing him as the governor who almost saved the California economy.
Air Force One will crash killing Obama on the same day that Biden suffers a heart attack with stroke. The Democrats will run Hillary Clinton.
Knowing that the neocon Republicans got us into this mess, very likely on purpose, and will continue to grind us down, I will vote Democratic no matter what.
Arnold will win by a substantial margin.
God will intervene to give Arnold the gifts of wisdom & humility. Arnold will tell Him to keep it, saying, "I've got this. You don't understand American politics anyway."
God will agree to Arnold's wishes; and I am not sacreligious enough to put words into His mouth as the Heavens close.
"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon
Not even close. Not even by a little.
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Originally posted by kpo:
To be fair I'll post one of mine:
kpo on Rick Perry: "If I were a betting man I'd put money on him as next president."
Oops.
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Well, to be fair, we can leave this one up for four more years and see how it goes for him in 2016.
But I think your comment on your prediction was the most accurate, and sums up the way Texans now feel about him, too: "Oops."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
To be fair I'll post one of mine:
kpo on Rick Perry: "If I were a betting man I'd put money on him as next president."
Oops.
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Well, to be fair, we can leave this one up for four more years and see how it goes for him in 2016.
But I think your comment on your prediction was the most accurate, and sums up the way Texans now feel about him, too: "Oops."
That might just make the list of top 10 worst predictions...
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Ezra Klein thinks Romney will be a stronger prospect in a general election than he is in the current Republican primary, and that a contest between him and Obama would be quite tight.
Well, yes and no.
Yes, it was quite tight according to pundits, but not really that tight where it counted (in the Electoral College), and Romney was much weaker against the president than he was against his own field of worthless also-rans (he actually BEAT them).
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Auraptor predicts that Obama's health care reform will be ruled unconstitutional, or repealed after the November elections.
Nope, and nope. Constitutional, and now certain to stand.
Barney Frank expects that Obama will be re-elected in November, barring any big jolts to the economy.
Yes indeed.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Kwicko wrote:
Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed.
Nope. Obama took every one of those, and then some.
One thing I noticed during this thread was that liberals' predictions stayed close to what the polls were showing, and often erred on the side of pessimism. Conservative predictions were often quite different to what the polls were saying, and more often erred on the side of optimism. Just an interesting commentary on liberal/conservative mentality...
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Kwicko wrote:
Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed.
Nope. Obama took every one of those, and then some.
One thing I noticed during this thread was that liberals' predictions stayed close to what the polls were showing, and often erred on the side of pessimism. Conservative predictions were often quite different to what the polls were saying, and more often erred on the side of optimism. Just an interesting commentary on liberal/conservative mentality...
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That's the subject of many articles these last few days - how the left actually beleived math - whereas the right tended to believe in a fiction that was based on rejecting said math.
Reminds me of the climate change debate....
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Auraptor: "The GOP will beat Obama by double digits in November."
Storymark: "Mitt Romney will be the GOP's John Kerry."
Yes to Story's prediction, quite a resounding NO to Rappy's.
Since Romney LOST by double digits, rappy's prediction wasn't merely wrong, but literally the opposite of what happened.
ETA: Oh, my bad, Romney didn't lose by double digits - he lost by TRIPLE digits...
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, yes and no.
Yes, it was quite tight according to pundits, but not really that tight where it counted (in the Electoral College), and Romney was much weaker against the president than he was against his own field of worthless also-rans (he actually BEAT them).
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
I realize this isn't the place to address this, but 538 blog had an interesting analysis on the state by state demographics. What I got out of it is that it doesn't help republicans that the red states are getting redder. OTOH it helps democrats that many many swing states are edging bluer.
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Ooh, that's a good article Kiki - here it is: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/as-nation-and-part
ies-change-republicans-are-at-an-electoral-college-disadvantage/
NateSilver - "If the parties continue down the same paths, however, this won’t be the last election when most of the swing states turn blue."
The alternative path he suggests is if Republicans moderate their tone on social issues, and try to appeal to hispanics more - but that won't be easy given how deeply dug in conservatives are on these issues, it seems to me. Party civil war?
All in all I think my bold (pre-November) prediction is looking good:
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kpo - "I'm going to make the rather bold prediction that Democrats will win 4 out of the next 5 presidential elections."
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Hahahahaha:
Grover Norquist (2004) - "The Democratic Party is Toast"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.norquist.html
Only Catpirate has achieved more spectacularly wrong predictions in one go.
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Jim Jones, CRFB (non-partisan think tank) - "We are perilously close to trillion-dollar yearly interest payments, 7 percent yields on 10-year U.S. Treasury bonds, 10 percent home mortgage rates and 13 percent rates on car loans"
CaveTroll - "that "quantitative easing" that the Fed has been doing? It's devaluing the worth of the dollar."
Signy - "Sooner or later, the value of the dollar will fall... not "because of" our debt, but our debt will make the effects worse for us than otherwise might be."
kpo thinks the economy will be better than it is now in a couple of years.
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Riona - "remember how a while ago everyone said "allowing same sex marriage isn't a slippery slope thing, allowing that won't allow other things"? Now they're saying, "well go for it guys, no holds barred!". Next they'll want to lower the age of concent so we can be like Pakistan, where 12 year olds marry 50 year olds."
Does anyone remember which thread this was in? I'd really like to follow up.
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Originally posted by kpo:
Hahahahaha:
Grover Norquist (2004) - "The Democratic Party is Toast"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.norquist.html
Only Catpirate has achieved more spectacularly wrong predictions in one go.
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Wow! Good article. Some highlights, if I may:
- Over time, the Senate--thanks to those wonderful square states out west--will trend toward 60 Republicans as the 30 red states elect Republicans and the 20 blue states elect Democrats. The anomaly of four Democratic senators hailing from Republican North and South Dakota will come to an end, as will the Republican-held Senate seat in Rhode Island.
- Abroad, four more years under President Bush will move America and the world towards greater free trade, spreading prosperity throughout the world and bringing more countries into the trading systems that require property rights and rule of law, draining the swamps that breed radicalism and terror.
- And a steady increase in the number of honest gun owners will continue to reduce street crime and make America safer. [That's right. Because only the "honest" gun owners take advantage of loose gun regulations...]
- Four more years of President Bush will also accelerate one of the most important demographic changes in America over the past 20 years: the number of Americans who own stock. [Just in time for the crash of 2008 woo-hoo!]
- According to pollster Scott Rasmussen, if you own $5000 in stock you are 18 percent less likely to be a Democrat and more likely to be a Republican. Every demographic group, including race, gender, age, and income, becomes more Republican with stock ownership.
- With the end of 40 years of Democratic gerrymandering, states in which a majority of the congressional popular vote goes to the GOP now award a majority of congressional seats to the GOP, too. Republican-led redistricting in Texas will add an additional five to seven Republican House seats over the next few cycles. Redistricting in Texas and throughout the country ensures that Republicans will continue to control the House through 2012. [He's part right on this one, that the gerrymandering will be done by the Repubs to their benefit.]
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Originally posted by kpo:
Riona - "remember how a while ago everyone said "allowing same sex marriage isn't a slippery slope thing, allowing that won't allow other things"? Now they're saying, "well go for it guys, no holds barred!". Next they'll want to lower the age of concent so we can be like Pakistan, where 12 year olds marry 50 year olds."
Does anyone remember which thread this was in? I'd really like to follow up.
This one, I believe:
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53479
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Paul Krugman - "I don’t think the Republican party as currently constituted can change this: after 45 years of the Southern strategy, this stuff is what defines the party’s soul."
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Kevin Drum - "If the GOP endures another few years of losses, they'll start to moderate out of self-defense, but that's still a few years off. If they lose in 2016, my guess is that it will happen sometime around 2017. If they win in 2016, then God only knows."
Kevin Drum - "One possibility is that the extreme right has one last big hurrah, nominating someone like Rick Santorum in 2016, and then gets absolutely blown out of the water due to a combination of a toxic candidate, changing demographics, and an economy finally in pretty good shape. And that will be their Waterloo. Cooler heads will finally prevail and by 2020 we'll have two relatively sane political parties in America. I have no idea if things will really play out like this. But it's certainly a possibility."
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On the upcoming fiscal cliff:
kpo - "Seriously, how can Obama lose this fight?"
NewOldBrownCoat - "Watch closely- he'll compromise , and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
ShinyGoodGuy - "It seems to me "Boner" is playing out his string to show the Tea Party folk that he fought until the bitter end, then he'll have to cave."
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Irrelevant Niall Ferguson believes the Arab Spring is evolving into an 'Islamist winter'.
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BBC correspondents' predictions for 2013: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20810104
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Paul Krugman wonders if/suggests Japan will perform surprisingly well in the short/medium term because it has just launched fresh stimulus plans: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/is-japan-the-country-of-th
e-future-again/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Auraptor on the US economy's surprise contraction last quarter - "And so it begins."
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Kwicko thinks the GOP will oppose the 'Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act of 2013 '
Geezer - "Not so much."
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Did the thread tallying the right/wrong predictions ever happen? If so, I missed it. Can someone give me the link?
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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It didn't happen, I got busy...
Coming soon!
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Not trying to amp the pressure. Just was reminded by your latest experiment thread, and started to wonder if I had missed something.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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It's cool, I'm glad it's anticipated.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Robert Shrum (Daily Beast) - "Clinton is the nominee the GOP least wants to face. In their darkest nightmares, they see 16 years of Democratic presidents."
Robert Shrum - "Republicans are driven by the politics of personal destruction. It's all they've got—and it's red meat for the media. If the target isn’t Clinton, it's Obama—or the other Clinton. And the Republicans will do it again and again—to President Obama in these years and maybe to President Clinton at the start of her second term in 2021."
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Geezer reckons there will 'probably be more' Medicare and Medicaid fraud as a result of Obamacare.
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Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Besides, Republicans are gonna be in real good shape with Hispanics for the next national election with popular Hispanic politicians like Rubio and Cruz, and Martinez. Even Jeb Bush, 'cause Hispanics love him and his Mexican-American wife. Think about that...Jeb Bush winning the Presidency....the next phase of the Bush dynasty! The ultimate payback for the Obama debacle.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=55492&p=1#9
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I don't know though. I suspect that River/Jong posted this with full knowledge of how ironic/ridiculous it is. Cause really, it is so over the top, and even River isn't that stupid.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongstraw:
Besides, Republicans are gonna be in real good shape with Hispanics for the next national election with popular Hispanic politicians like Rubio and Cruz, and Martinez. Even Jeb Bush, 'cause Hispanics love him and his Mexican-American wife. Think about that...Jeb Bush winning the Presidency....the next phase of the Bush dynasty! The ultimate payback for the Obama debacle.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=55492&p=1#9
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I don't know though. I suspect that River/Jong posted this with full knowledge of how ironic/ridiculous it is. Cause really, it is so over the top, and even River isn't that stupid.
What's really "over the top" is what a pathetic little asswipe you are for monitoring peoples' posts like it's your major accomplishment in life. What a truly empty and hopeless existence you must have.
Here's another major prediction for ya to document .... a year from now you'll still be a useless piece of shit without an original thought in your stupid head. And River/Mal, don't you dare not be here in a year, because I know my prediction about you will have been realized in spades.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What's really "over the top" is what a pathetic little asswipe you are for monitoring peoples' posts like it's your major accomplishment in life.
"WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! I got caught being a moron so my only recourse (if I knew how to use the word "recourse") is to whine about unfair it is for people to use my own words as evidence as to how wrong I am!!!"
Wasn't this just 100% predicted as the SOP of the Rap? Have you fallen so far River, so that all of your personnas are acting exactly alike? Stop it already. You're making it too easy.
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Here's another major prediction for ya to document .... a year from now you'll still be a useless piece of shit without an original thought in your stupid head. And River/Mal, don't you dare not be here in a year, because I know my prediction about will have been realized.
It is now recorded. See you in a year or two River.
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Ok River, Rue, Signy, Kiki, Magons and whatever other names you use to spread your liberal whoredom around here. And yes, we'll see if you're still a useless piece of shit on 6/28/14.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Ok River, Rue, Signy, Kiki, Magons and whatever other names you use to spread your liberal whoredom around here. And yes, we'll see if you're still a useless piece of shit on 6/28/14.
Isn't it funny how right wingers react when they're called out on their shit? Instead of trying to deny it, they accuse others of doing exactly what they have done.
I am myself and no other. My posts are quite different in material and tone and intent from those others. You, however, are quite indistinguishable from River and Rap. I imagine you tried hard at first, perhaps kept notes on what these "posters" were like so they'd have their own voices, but as the years went by you've gotten careless. At this point they all the same voice, and the way they've made such sudden and extreme shifts to become exactly like you lately makes it clear.
Back to the drawing board, dear.
In any case, I'll see you in June 2014 when the Hispanics of America overwhelming turn their support to that all-embracing minority-loving big-tent Republican party. [/Mal4prez's ironic tone]
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I'll add pathological liar to your list of accomplishments. There is NO difference between you and any of the dozen or so twitchy liberal psycho snits who pathetically stalk, at every opportunity, the small group of Conservatives who post regularly. I've learned to see you all the same because you ARE ALL exactly the same.
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I actually wish the Conservative Rivers and Kaneman would come back just to balance things out a bit. But they haven't been seen here for many years, so perhaps I should just create a whole bunch of 'Rivers" and 'Kanes' for you libs to deal with every day. The names will have to be slightly different than the originals of course, but it won't matter. Maybe a few AURaptor, Six, Whozit, and Wulf clones too just for added giggles.
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I'd forgotten about kaneman. Let's see, if I remember my history right, after he was banned R6213 showed up, after that was RL, and now ... TADA! YOU! All posting exactly the same way!
THANKS! for reminding me of one of the sock puppets.
ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!
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Rappy says that Sarah Palin was right...
I can't even finish the rest cause I'm laughing too hard!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=945777
And laughing even more about Jong and how much he misses all his socks. Wow, what a place RWED is! That's almost as good as OPPYH being sad about Rappy leaving back in the day.
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The French Revolution would have never happened if Marie Antoinette had just given every peasant an iPhone.
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Zimmerman if next ...
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2014-2016 crazy time for the USA
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What's really "over the top" is what a pathetic little asswipe you are for monitoring peoples' posts like it's your major accomplishment in life. What a truly empty and hopeless existence you must have.
Awwww, somebody gets all cranky when forced to look at the plain record of how very fucking wrong they are, over and over.
Need a juice box? A nap maybe?
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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