The movie is done! someone in this verse must have a copy!

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SERENITYFAN2004

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:12 AM

They say that the serenity movie has been completeed so that must mean that someone has to have a copy on the internet soemhwere there must be a copy so i urge u all to start looking, ppl if u do find the site or somewhere u can find the movie share with the others.

P.S.anyone wanna make me jaynes hat he got from his mom?? willing to pay.

You Can't take the sky from me...

GLICO

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:15 AM

Only the people working on the movie have copies. The studio will impose very harsh penalties on anyone caught leaking prerelease copies. Also, it's only done shooting, there's still a lot of editing & special effects work to be done.

THEGREYJEDI

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:48 AM

You BLASPHEMER! INFIDEL!! This isn't an ordinary movie! To search for, nay, to even WANT a pirated, illegal copy of Serenity BEFORE IT EVEN COMES OUT is prepostorous! Are you crazy or just stupid?! This is the BIG DAMN MOVIE!!! To want an illegal copy like that is disrespectful! Wait like the rest of us and be damn glad that we're getting this wonderful film!

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KINGOFKOINS

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by serenityfan2004:
They say that the serenity movie has been completeed so that must mean that someone has to have a copy on the internet soemhwere there must be a copy so i urge u all to start looking, ppl if u do find the site or somewhere u can find the movie share with the others.

P.S.anyone wanna make me jaynes hat he got from his mom?? willing to pay.

You Can't take the sky from me...

Ass.

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SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:54 AM

C'mon man! Don't you want to see it in the theaters first? If you truly are a Firefly fan, then you would support it in that way. Now forget what you said and go back to waiting patiently like the rest of us.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

HENDLEFE

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:55 AM

I saw those reponses coming

SOUPCATCHER

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:58 AM

I notice that this is your first post, serenityfan2004. Welcome to fireflyfans. We're a community of fans dedicated to making the upcoming movie Serenity FINANCIALLY successful. Here's to hoping your post was alcohol-fueled and not some sort of trolling.

I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

JOHNQPUBLIC

Monday, September 20, 2004 5:14 AM

Where did you get the idea that the film was finished?

They're done shooting, but it now needs to be edited, have special effects done, music recorded and plenty more. The finished film won't be completed for months.

The actual filming is just a small part of a movie, especially a science fiction movie with special effects and cgi.

SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Monday, September 20, 2004 5:25 AM

Yeah, you've seen the fantastic work Lonni does for special effects right? You wouldn't want to miss out on that. Just sit back, and be careful, we do have a place for trolls. Just forget about the whole stealing thing. We need to support this movie! Make a banner or something, we're all fans here.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

FIREFLEW

Monday, September 20, 2004 7:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sheridanmovieguy:
Yeah, you've seen the fantastic work Lonni does for special effects right? You wouldn't want to miss out on that. Just sit back, and be careful, we do have a place for trolls. Just forget about the whole stealing thing. We need to support this movie! Make a banner or something, we're all fans here.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

I don't think he was trolling guys. I think he's just a mite impatient. It's his first post, cut him some slack.

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RAY53208

Monday, September 20, 2004 8:27 AM

i understand your eagerness and desire to experience the movie asap... but this is something made by people we care for, and would love to see sucessful and happy... so we curb our less-ethical urges and wait it out. its okay to want to see it, its okay to want to see it early, but its not okay to put that desire ahead of our friends welfare; the ones who worked hard to make a lovely film.

as for jaynes hat it is rather nifty aint it?

ray

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CALHOUN

Monday, September 20, 2004 9:56 AM

WOW! what an awesome movie!! SERENITY!!!

Download it now on Kazaa!!

Go to the search for video field and type in "Muppet Movie" (I think its been renamed that as a disguise) Theres a 8GB version which is the full anamorphic widescreen DVD release of SERENITY!

IT ROCKS!!

Download now!

CALHOUN

Monday, September 20, 2004 9:59 AM

Muahahaha..

Now that SERENITYFAN2004 is off on Kazaa for the next 24hrs downloading the muppet movie lets take the time to put shit on him behind his back.

HAKEN

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:01 AM

The movie isn't completed. It's in post-production.

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, September 20, 2004 1:38 PM

Welcome to the board SerenityFan2004. We are all glad to have you w/ us. You will have to excuse some of our less understanding residents.

As Haken said, the movie is in post production right now (editing & special effects). The trailer is due for release on Jan 14th w/ the Elektra movie. You should be able to find a copy of the trailer Joss showed at Comic Con in San Diego a couple of months ago on this site or the net. It is not the final trailer, but should give you a much needed fix until we can get more.

Personally, I want to wait until the BDM is released in theatres on April 22nd. I believe as fans we owe it to Joss and the cast to get into the theatres as many times as we can afford, taking w/ us friends, family and anyone else we can shanghai each and every time. If the BDM is a success Univeral will greenlight two more movies.

So how long have you been a fan of the show? Did you catch in on TV before the hwoon dahn Fox execs pulled the show? Have you picked up a boxed set yet?

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

JADEHAND

Monday, September 20, 2004 1:52 PM

Quote:
..but this is something made by people we care for, and would love to see sucessful and happy... .

Right, I'll be paying to see Serenity many many times.
Download Episode III. Lucas and 20th Century FOX, what a pair.

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SHINY

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ray53208:
i understand your eagerness and desire to experience the movie asap... but this is something made by people we care for, and would love to see sucessful and happy... so we curb our less-ethical urges and wait it out. its okay to want to see it, its okay to want to see it early, but its not okay to put that desire ahead of our friends welfare

Our own welfare as well -- we'll only get more Firefly if the movie is a financial success!

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

WARMASTER

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:26 PM

I'll wait.... April 22nd isn't that far off.

SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Monday, September 20, 2004 4:32 PM

Hey, I wasn't trying to to be mean. I just told him to wait, and support the movie. I understand he meant well, I'm glad we have new members too.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

RHYMEPHILE

Monday, September 20, 2004 5:53 PM

Actually, I think this brings up an interesting point.

It seems general consensus here is anti-pirating or downloading. Good for us, I say. But new fans may not be as scrupulous.

I'm all about supporting Joss, the BDH, and Universal most of all. I will gladly over-pay New York City movie theatre prices to see the spectacle on the big screen, more than once. I also will try to support other Universal franchises, to show that as fans we're dedicated to seeing a Firefly/Serenity trilogy, and to thank them for giving Joss and the BDHs another chance.

I hope that the online community will be as respectful about pirating and downloading the film as it seems most of us here on FFF.net are.

Be patient, and then spend the money for a movie ticket, people. It will help us get a trilogy!

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SHERIDANMOVIEGUY

Monday, September 20, 2004 6:06 PM

Yeah, or maybe more than that.

Every episode of firefly is better than most of the movies I see for my profession, and that makes it special.

JUTIN

Monday, September 20, 2004 6:20 PM

This is one movie that MUST NOT BE STOLEN OR DOWNLOADED AT ALL!!!

before or after it's release... if anybody starts downloading the movie it'll lower ticket sales and hurt the chances of the SEQUELS!!

SHEPHERDQ

Monday, September 20, 2004 7:21 PM

I go to the theater about once every 2 or 3 years because I hate screaming wall climbers, cell phones, and teens that think they are funny to everyone making stupid comments during the film.
BUT
I WILL be going to Serenity on April 22 even if I have to take the day off ( prob have to ). Why? Because Joss did not give up, and my few cents worth he got off me buying the DVD and a few more from others I bugged into getting it, gave him that bit more to keep going combined with all the others screaming at the top of their lungs for more Firefly.So he and the Cast that came back together deserve my full support and will get it by my ticket ( and my purchase of the DVD when it comes out with hopes that it has the full out takes of Firefly and FULL out takes from the movie )

The Journey is the worthier part.
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FLYINFREE

Monday, September 20, 2004 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Download Episode III. Lucas and 20th Century FOX, what a pair.

Actually George Lucas went through hell getting Star Wars made and it almost didn't get made, the studios didn't want it, nobody took it seriously, the critics slammed it without ever seeing it. Yes the new Star Wars movies suck but Lucas went through all the crap Joss went through to see his dream movie get made so don't slam him too bad. Fox on the other hand, feel free to insert a grenade in any orifice you can find.

"...we're still flyin'."
"That's not much."
"It's enough." Malcolm Reynolds and Simon Tam - Serenity

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Monday, September 20, 2004 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kingofkoins:

Ass.

LOL.

Mommy, mommy, I think I just saw a troll!

"I threw up on your bed"

BIKISDAD

Monday, September 20, 2004 8:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShepherdQ:
I go to the theater about once every 2 or 3 years because I hate screaming wall climbers, cell phones, and teens that think they are funny to everyone making stupid comments during the film.
BUT
I WILL be going to Serenity on April 22 even if I have to take the day off ( prob have to ). Why? Because Joss did not give up, and my few cents worth he got off me buying the DVD and a few more from others I bugged into getting it, gave him that bit more to keep going combined with all the others screaming at the top of their lungs for more Firefly.So he and the Cast that came back together deserve my full support and will get it by my ticket ( and my purchase of the DVD when it comes out with hopes that it has the full out takes of Firefly and FULL out takes from the movie )

The Journey is the worthier part.
www.southdownabbey.com

I go to the movies even less often than you, and for the same reasons - although I did go see "Dodgeball" last month to support AT. However, the last movie I saw in a theatre before that was "Contact" in 1997.

When "Serenity" hits the theatre I will vote with my $, as they say, early and often. Joss and Co. have earned as much support as we can give them. I plan on seeing the movie as often as time and my budget will permit.

I will not be downloading it - ever. However, the dvd will have a treasured place in my collection right next to the series box-set.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Monday, September 20, 2004 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by serenityfan2004:
They say that the serenity movie has been completeed so that must mean that someone has to have a copy on the internet soemhwere there must be a copy so i urge u all to start looking, ppl if u do find the site or somewhere u can find the movie share with the others.

Okay, serious response.

Not to spin the industry line, but that's someone's deserved money you are taking when you download a movie or a song. That's jobs, and more importantly that's creativity you stifle.

Sure, most of the Browncoats would go and watch the movie anyway, but what about the more casual fans - they see the movie on a crappy DL and tell their friends it sucks, so they don't want to go.

"I threw up on your bed"

KNIBBLET

Monday, September 20, 2004 9:44 PM

I wouldn't break into Josses house and steal his water heater. I wouldn't smash the window of Adam's car and take off with it. I wouldn't slip Jewel's wallet out of her purse.

Why would I steal from them in this way?

I'm hoping this was youthful (or drunken) zeal and not indicative of a complete lack of ethics.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

KINGOFKOINS

Monday, September 20, 2004 9:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Quote:
Originally posted by kingofkoins:

Ass.

LOL.

Mommy, mommy, I think I just saw a troll!

"I threw up on your bed"

Please. I am hardly a troll because of one word that I said out of anger.

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TMURRIE

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:27 PM

Well so now that we have decided to never ever download Serenity because it would be wrong, let's make sure nobody else does it either. So come April 22nd, if you see somebody with a video camera in the presence of our beloved movie, do feel free to break it in half. What is he going to do? Tell the police? So go nuts and break some stuff.

And if somebody on the street says "Hey man, want that "Serenity" movie?" Do feel free to stab them in the eye, so at least ONE kind of pirating will be over for them.

CALHOUN

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:46 PM

Quote:
BrownCoat1 wrote:
Monday, September 20, 2004 03:38
Welcome to the board SerenityFan2004. We are all glad to have you w/ us. You will have to excuse some of our less understanding residents.

Calhoun < Less understanding resident

No real offense intended.. just funnin wit him.

AURAPTOR

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:49 PM

The FILMING has been finished, but I doubt the special fx/ editing is anywhere near complete.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

LITTLEMANLOVESFIRE

Monday, September 20, 2004 11:03 PM

Someone said earlier that "April 22nd isn't that far off."

Yes it damn well is! If it was anything else happening then it would be fine but waiting to see Serenity is terrible - time feels like it's going backwards! April 22nd is going to take FOREVER!

IF the unthinkable happens and I find out that they're going to make us wait another six months or so in the UK I don't think I could stand it. I mean, I'm happy to wait with the rest of you until April but I'm not sure I could deal with waiting longer and knowing you lot have all seen it already! I'd have to either dowenload it or ban myself from any Firefly community to avoid all the "OMG! When this happened!" discussion. I don't believe I'm the immoral kind of pirate if I do do that - I own every single Mutant Enemy Box they've ever released, I'm buying the Buffy 1-7 Box even though I have them all seperately, I own Firefly on Region 2 and Region 1 and will see Serenity several times in the theatre and buy it on DVD when it's released.

Having said that, I'm certain I will make myself wait even if the unthinkable happens - I want my first experience in the cinema not on some dodgy copy. I'm praying with all my heart that we get it here in May at the very, very latest. Joss seems to love us Brits so I'm hoping we'll get it when you yanks do (not that it's up to him of course).

Some countries will definitely have to wait longer - especially where translation is concerned (yeah, we're happy to watch your films in "American" - unlike you guys who need some English films subtitling - WTF?) - I really pity those poor sods!

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:27 AM

If you REALLY wanted, you could start a 'Serenity in the States' savings fund, and fly over here to catch the opening of the BDM.

I don't always live in the same reality as every one else, but if the shoe was on the other foot, I might use that as an excuse to fly over the pond. Just an idea.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SUCCATASH

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:34 AM

You guys act so righteous. We all plan to give Joss lots and lots of money. I know I do.

But let's be realistic. If someone posted a legitimate link to a 900 MB screener DVD rip, 3 months before the release date-- WOULDN'T YOU CLICK THE LINK? Damn. How tempting is that?

LOFWYRR

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:58 AM

Sure I would...and I'd watch it. If you think the 18 people I've gotten into Firefly (of whom I bought DVD sets for 11) aren't going to make me go see it in the theater with each of them, seperately, repeatedly, think again. I'll see it several times in the theater, buy the DVD, buy DVDs to give as gifts and buy all of the merchandise they see fit to put out.
Joss and Co. won't lose any money off of me cause I watch a crappy version downloaded off the internet.

While I understand that people do watch movies they download, and then don't see them in the theater, I wouldn't do that. For one thing, my sound isn't as good. Neither is my popcorn.

SHANYU

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:05 AM

TSK TSK TSK thats all i have to say!

Oh yeah and

"You can live with a man for 40 years, share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

SHANYU

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:07 AM

and yes i would watch the video if i got the link but common wait for it to go to theaters!

share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

You guys act so righteous. We all plan to give Joss lots and lots of money. I know I do.

But let's be realistic. If someone posted a legitimate link to a 900 MB screener DVD rip, 3 months before the release date-- WOULDN'T YOU CLICK THE LINK? Damn. How tempting is that?

Nevah..I say, NEVAH!.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

WYDRAZ

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:24 AM

I understand the idea that downloading illegal copies of a movie is bad, but I would not be a Firefly fan if I did not find an episode or two on the peer to peer networks out there.

I missed the original airings (thanks, FOX!). I only recalled the title, and did a search, and downloaded some episodes. That was what inspired me to buy the DVDs. Two more for my family and friends! Now I am a diehard fan, and will watch (and pay for seeing) the movie ten times when it finally opens.

But yeah, don't be a pirate!

Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais

THEGREYJEDI

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:50 AM

No, Tash, no I would not. I wouldn't even be tempted. I've downloaded a few movies. These were mostly movies I don't have access to around here, and even then with the intention of buying a DVD version of the movie as soon as I can. But I would NEVER download a movie that hadn't even been released yet, much less one as important to me as Serenity.

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SUCCATASH

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:06 AM

GreyJ, you know you want to! Are you afraid of getting caught?

We will pay to see Serenity in the theater multiple times. What's the harm in clicking the Magic Link to get a sneak peek?

JENDANDY

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:18 AM

I wouldn't be able to resist. Especially living in Aus, where I don't know when the heck the movie will even be here. That's not to say I wouldn't see it multiple times when it did come out and buy the DVD when that comes out.

But to have the opportunity to see it now...can I get a HELL YES.

-Sig Rebel-

THEGREYJEDI

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:48 AM

Tash, see, I share my bandwidth. I share my music and video files(mostly anime fansubs). I have and share pirated software. But Serenity is far, far too important to sully with those activities. I will see it at the Big Damn Premiere for the first time. I will see it at least a dozen times in theatres those first two weeks. I will not download a copy of it ever. And I look down on anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

Real fans wait.

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NORUTTINWAY

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:08 AM

No, I wouldn't download a bootleg copy of "Serenity". Why? It would be crappy quality and I want to experience it for the first time in all it's glory on the big screen. Not only that...I want it to be a success and make every penny it can. I would feel like I was taking money out of the pockets of all involved in the Firefly "verse". Sorry, but that really goes against the grain for me. "Serenity" deserves every chance and I want to see it get that chance. I respect Joss and his passion for this vision and I want it to be a great success. We need some positive energy, not its "fans" taking the wind out of its sails. All good things come to those who wait...I can't believe how impatient people are!

11THHOUR

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:

Real fans wait.

Yep, they do...

and, I will.

11thHour

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WINTERFELL

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FlyinFree:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jadehand:
Download Episode III. Lucas and 20th Century FOX, what a pair.
Actually George Lucas went through hell getting Star Wars made and it almost didn't get made, the studios didn't want it, nobody took it seriously, the critics slammed it without ever seeing it. Yes the new Star Wars movies suck but Lucas went through all the crap Joss went through to see his dream movie get made so don't slam him too bad.

No way in hell did GL go through what Joss did. GL pays his own money to make the films yes, but that's because he knows it has an established audience, and even though most people hate him nowadays, people will always shell out cash to see anything with star wars in the title. You are comparing hitler to lincoln here, it doesn't work.

JENDANDY

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:46 AM

LOL We don't need any slogans yet. There is no boolegged copy so it's not like the people who said they would watch are watching.
Everyone has to wait, so I guess we're all real fans.
Seriously though, I understand both sides of the arguement...so,whatever.

-Sig Rebel-

WINTERFELL

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:19 AM

i got a question for all of the folks willing to watch the film early via bootleg or whatever. you know.. Joss, Nathan, Adam, Jewel, alot of the cast and crew are availible to us like many other tv shows/movies just don't have.. You could probably meet them someday you know? And when you're standing there with the captain face to face, eye to eye, tightpants to not-so-tightpants.. could you tell them you saw the movie bootlegged? could you say, nathan, joss, adam, whoever.. i downloaded the film and watched it 2 months before it was out (or whatever) and it was just amazing..

could you really do that??
you think that's a compliment??

being a recording artist myself, if someone got ahold of my music before it was released even if they planned to buy it on the release date, I'd still have no respect for them. that's my art man.. and to me, that's not a fan at all.

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:56 PM

I would have to admit that I would be sorely tempted to watch a bootleg if it were made available 'Tash, but I would not watch it. I would probably behave like a crack addict going through withdrawl knowing the BDM (in some form or another) was just a click away, but I would not do it.

Sure we can all say that we would watch the bootleg, then still go out and see the movie a dozen times or so, and I do not doubt any Browncoat who says so, but by posting a link to a bootleg we are causing a problem. That problem of course is making the illegal copy of the film more readily available to those that will watch the film for free, and not go to the theatre to watch it.

Casual fans and others will take the freebie and run with it, opting not to spend their money at the box office and thereby shorting sales figures. Will those people's lack of attendance really hurt the numbers for the BDM? Who can say, but I for one am not willing to take that chance. I would much rather have those people going to the theatre to see the film and adding their numbers to our own.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

WYDRAZ

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:39 PM

While I haven't admitted that I would click a link to a bootlegged Serenity movie (because I woudn't want to, but am not sure I could control myself), I would never post a link to it. Those who do are the real pirates. Like drug dealers, I think their crime is far worse than those who might partake in what is offered.

BTW, whoever started this topic hasn't replied yet, so I think we can assume that he's prolly a troll. Or a plant trying to see how loyal the fans are. If that's the case... well, of course I'd never download it! Sheesh.

Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais

SOUPCATCHER

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:05 PM

I've been trying to think of a scenario where I could justify watching a bootlegged copy of the BDM, and for me, personally, I just couldn't click that link. But that's because I live in the US where we know the release date. The decision would be much harder if I lived in a country that might not get Serenity until the end of summer - well after Serenity's success was established (at least for the domestic US run).

I've seen a post (too lazy to track it down) from someone who was trying to get together money to fly to the US for the opening. That's a lot of money that could instead by spent on going to see the movie when it comes out. So if that person needs a little pick me up while waiting, I got no problem with that.

The big fear is that the presence of a bootleg version of Serenity will take money away from the box office totals. This is the only scenario I could come up with where that might not be the case.

I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

JADEHAND

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:48 AM

OK,
Silly question time for those who may be more familiar with these things.

first: What can we as fans do to encourage Universal to make this a global release on April ,22 2005? I know how much it sucks to know others are getting the chance to do something you can't because of where you live. Marillion rarely tour the US and even more rarely the SouthEast US. I get to see them Oct 7th in DC,I last saw them in '89. Brits and others in Europe can see them a lot more often.

Second: Seeing as all this Pirating and downloading is illegal, what can we do if we see people offering downloads? I know some would like to download it, I'd rather send the person a virus and slag their whole gorram system, or notify the authorities and have the Feds knock on their door.

I agree with the poster who said if you see anyone with a camera, break it. And if during the film people talk in the theatre, just turn to them and remind them "....the Special Hell" or shoot 'em ......politely.

Oh and I had a similar thought to Wydraz about an hour after my first time reading this thread. "That was probably Joss, just checking reactions." oh well, hope most of us passed.

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SERENITYFAN2004

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:59 AM

I have not replied to this, i am not a trool i acctaulyl wanted the link but reading all ur comments and crap makes me relize how dumb i am to ask and i now agree with you, and i did replie but on my other account which i made cause of the contraversy i caused, and if serenity makes good money maybe they'll just bring back firefly, sry for being a moron i now understand all your opioions. But i ahve one thing to say i know half of u wouldnt click a link if u saw it but i know you would be tempted!

SERENITYSRIVER

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

You guys act so righteous. We all plan to give Joss lots and lots of money. I know I do.

But let's be realistic. If someone posted a legitimate link to a 900 MB screener DVD rip, 3 months before the release date-- WOULDN'T YOU CLICK THE LINK? Damn. How tempting is that?

If it meant there'd be at least one less time that I'd pay to see Joss' greatness on screen? Never! I want Joss, in all his glory, to get every penny I'm willing to ship out for his profit and my entertainment.

Besides. . . . I'm an artist. . . . I don't believe in illegal downloads. . . .

"Ten percent of nothin', well, let's see, that's nothin' add nothin', carry the nothin'. . . ."

MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JohnQPublic:
Where did you get the idea that the film was finished?

They're done shooting, but it now needs to be edited, have special effects done, music recorded and plenty more. The finished film won't be completed for months.

The actual filming is just a small part of a movie, especially a science fiction movie with special effects and cgi.

I agree with JohnQPublic on this.
Also though, if the finished movie were to fall into my lap, I can't say I wouldn't watch it. But in my defense, I'd also go see the movie in theatres many times too, and bring others with me.

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CALHOUN

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:58 AM

If I didnt download and watch the bootleg Firefly episodes from the net then I wouldnt even know how good it is(its never been aired in Australia). I wouldnt even know of the upcoming movie.

I still bought the DVD box set IMMEDIATELY when it was released years after i'd fallen in love with the show.

I'll still see the BDM multiple times in the theatre regardless whether i've d/loaded it from the internet or not.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:03 AM

Quote:

You BLASPHEMER! INFIDEL!! This isn't an ordinary movie! To search for, nay, to even WANT a pirated, illegal copy of Serenity BEFORE IT EVEN COMES OUT is prepostorous! Are you crazy or just stupid?! This is the BIG DAMN MOVIE!!! To want an illegal copy like that is disrespectful!

well I would take a bootleg pirated copy if I could get my hands on one..and I don't see anything disrespectful or wrong for doing so....

I don't care how big the movie is...

its just the nature of the way things are...nothing wrong with it!!

WINTERFELL

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
well I would take a bootleg pirated copy if I could get my hands on one..and I don't see anything disrespectful or wrong for doing so....

I don't care how big the movie is...

its just the nature of the way things are...nothing wrong with it!!

wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by serenityfan2004:
I have not replied to this, i am not a trool i acctaulyl wanted the link but reading all ur comments and crap makes me relize how dumb i am to ask and i now agree with you, and i did replie but on my other account which i made cause of the contraversy i caused, and if serenity makes good money maybe they'll just bring back firefly, sry for being a moron i now understand all your opioions. But i ahve one thing to say i know half of u wouldnt click a link if u saw it but i know you would be tempted!

Glad to see you are still around SerenityFan2004.

I am a bit curious though as to why you responded to this thread under another name. Which name was it?

I am sure that you can understand that we as Browncoats are protective of this movie and the future of Serenity. It is imperative that we dissuade any and all fans from perpetuating the piracy of the movie to help insure it's success. Anyone truly interested in seeing it will spend the money to go to the theatre at least during a matinee.

The biggest problem w/ the internet is its greatest attribute; information is too accessible and will quickly be linked to a dozen sites and downloaded by hundred or even thousands. When you figure that into ticket sales, it could easily cause the box office sales to drop to an unacceptable level, causing Universal to shelve the idea of two more movies.

Count me in the half that would not click the link. I may be tempted (I would be less than honest if I said I would not be), but I would not do anything to harm the chances of the movie being a success.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kingofkoins:

Please. I am hardly a troll because of one word that I said out of anger.

Not you - the first poster... mea culpa on both accounts as maybe we did jump to conclusions a little.

"I threw up on your bed"

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Count me in the half that would not click the link. I may be tempted (I would be less than honest if I said I would not be), but I would not do anything to harm the chances of the movie being a success.

Exactly - let's for one moment pretend that every Browncoat that clicks the link would see the movie the same number of times they would if they didn't. Just for funnin's sake.

The real threat is Googlewhack Boy and Warez Gurl going to the link, downloading it and not seeing the movie - the pirates that sell the movie to people who decided not to watch the movie on the big screen.

"I threw up on your bed"

TALLGRRL

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:37 PM

umm....from what i understand, the movie is in post-production. this isn't a tv episode we're talkin' about.
i'm thinking what the actors would have would be something that has no effects or music and would possibly even have time code in the picture.
something that could be used on a demo reel maybe. and that's a BIG maybe.
this flick *just* finished shooting. because of the fx alone it will take many months. there may even be re-shoots, etc.
if someone's talking about they have a "completed movie", they're pretty much talkin' bulls***.

By the way, I wouldn't download the flick.
And I wouldn't want to see it on my computer monitor, either.
It's the BIG SCREEN for me.

"Take me, sir. Take me hard."

HELL'S KITTEN

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Tash, see, I share my bandwidth. I share my music and video files(mostly anime fansubs). I have and share pirated software. But Serenity is far, far too important to sully with those activities. I will see it at the Big Damn Premiere for the first time. I will see it at least a dozen times in theatres those first two weeks. I will not download a copy of it ever. And I look down on anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

Interesting. I imagine the fans of the stuff you (as in "in general," not specifically TheGreyJedi) download might feel the same way you do about people downloading Serenity.

Personally, downloading it and having even the best-quality-movie-file-ever on my computer wouldn't cause me to spend any less on going to see it than I already intend to spend. After all, my tiny monitor isn't nearly as wide as the theater's screen, nor are my speakers as good as their sound system.

SHANYU

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
Quote:

You BLASPHEMER! INFIDEL!! This isn't an ordinary movie! To search for, nay, to even WANT a pirated, illegal copy of Serenity BEFORE IT EVEN COMES OUT is prepostorous! Are you crazy or just stupid?! This is the BIG DAMN MOVIE!!! To want an illegal copy like that is disrespectful!

well I would take a bootleg pirated copy if I could get my hands on one..and I don't see anything disrespectful or wrong for doing so....

I don't care how big the movie is...

its just the nature of the way things are...nothing wrong with it!!

Even the person who started this thread cares more about the show than u ur not a real fan serenityfan learned the error of his ways u shud do the same!

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

SHANYU

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:13 PM

i am serenityfan2004 i posted under another name cause well this cooler and of course all the contraversy i caused. i get why u guys want to protect the movie now.

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

THEGREYJEDI

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:39 PM

Well, most of the stuff I download is fansubs, anime that is translated and subtitled by fans, of anime shows that either aren't going to be or haven't yet been released in the US. Or, in the case of the Inu Yasha episodes I have, the series has been released, but not the episodes I have. Once I purchase the dvd's, I delete the episodes from my computer. But I don't think there's anyone as rabid as us Firefly fans.

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GLICO

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:59 PM

Allright, you all seem to be missing something about information piracy, so i'll explain. Downloading a movie is not at all analgous to picking Jewel's purse. It is more analgous to overhearing a conversation, then repeating it. It's someone else's, but it's not hurting them directly when you take it. We're talking about the loss of something, vs the loss of a POTENTIAL sale of something. There's a big difference.

Bye now.

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Remember kids, stupidity is for losers!

TRAGICSTORY

Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

You guys act so righteous. We all plan to give Joss lots and lots of money. I know I do.

But let's be realistic. If someone posted a legitimate link to a 900 MB screener DVD rip, 3 months before the release date-- WOULDN'T YOU CLICK THE LINK? Damn. How tempting is that?

In all honesty, I would click the link and watch the movie. I'll argue my justification for it, but not here. We don't need yet another emotional argument on this board.

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CLANDESTINY

Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by glico:
Allright, you all seem to be missing something about information piracy, so i'll explain. Downloading a movie is not at all analgous to picking Jewel's purse. It is more analgous to overhearing a conversation, then repeating it. It's someone else's, but it's not hurting them directly when you take it. We're talking about the loss of something, vs the loss of a POTENTIAL sale of something. There's a big difference.

Bye now.

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Remember kids, stupidity is for losers!

I'd say your analogy is seriously flawed. Overheard conversations do not have access fees attached to them, and no one expects them to.

A much closer, and more accurate, analogy would be this: It's as if, rather than paying a ticket to hear a lecture by an author, I snuck in the back way, listened to the speech for free, and made a tape recording which I then took home with me.

By pointing this out, I am not saying whether not I am on the side of the pirates; that's a debate I choose not to get into. I merely suggest that if you're going to use an analogy, you should use one that holds up to logical analysis -- as yours does not.

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"Take my love, take my land, take my wife -- please." -- Henny Youngman performs the Firefly Theme.

SHANYU

Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:49 AM

Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong to dowbload it period but its just so tempting and very few can withstand that temtation especcially with a movie like this. My opion is if you at one point download a movie see it in teateres an extra time to make up for it, and i truthfully now do not want to see serenity before it comes into theaters beacse of this thread and reading all the comments it made me relize doing so would be wrong.

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

SHANYU

Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:51 AM

Oops sorry for the Quadrouple post! didnt mean to!

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

WINTERFELL

Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShanYu:
Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong to dowbload it period but its just so tempting and very few can withstand that temtation especcially with a movie like this. My opion is if you at one point download a movie see it in teateres an extra time to make up for it, and i truthfully now do not want to see serenity before it comes into theaters beacse of this thread and reading all the comments it made me relize doing so would be wrong.

I whole-heartedly disagree with your point of view. Lets put away the fact that you are STEALING the film before it's intended release date for a moment and focus on some of the finer points.

you decide, i'll download it, watch it, love it, and go see it in the theater. maybe I'll let my friend watch it once too. Nothing wrong with that right? WRONG. why? the very existance of an illegal copy availible on the internet would allow people (maybe few, maybe many, whatever.. at least 1 fricken person) to download it and lose the desire to see it in the theater. That was 1 ticket sale we lost. Honestly.. we can't afford that. every gorram ticket sale counts. listen to joss at the cons, you know the movie happened because of the dvd sales.. not the dvd downloads.

I want a gorram sequal.

if your little impatient asses can't handle that, and want to ruin my chances of having my gorram sequal, then cào nî zûxiān shí bâ dai

seriously.

GLICO

Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Clandestiny:
Quote:
Originally posted by glico:
Allright, you all seem to be missing something about information piracy, so i'll explain. Downloading a movie is not at all analgous to picking Jewel's purse. It is more analgous to overhearing a conversation, then repeating it. It's someone else's, but it's not hurting them directly when you take it. We're talking about the loss of something, vs the loss of a POTENTIAL sale of something. There's a big difference.

Bye now.

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Remember kids, stupidity is for losers!

I'd say your analogy is seriously flawed. Overheard conversations do not have access fees attached to them, and no one expects them to.

A much closer, and more accurate, analogy would be this: It's as if, rather than paying a ticket to hear a lecture by an author, I snuck in the back way, listened to the speech for free, and made a tape recording which I then took home with me.

By pointing this out, I am not saying whether not I am on the side of the pirates; that's a debate I choose not to get into. I merely suggest that if you're going to use an analogy, you should use one that holds up to logical analysis -- as yours does not.

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"Take my love, take my land, take my wife -- please." -- Henny Youngman performs the Firefly Theme.

Fine, but -- ideas are fundamentally different from things. One cannot "steal" an idea, stealing requires removing something from someone else's possesion. In a society where everyone was ethically perfect, people would download the movie, then based on that decide whether to give money, and if so how much. I think this is a model worth working towards. I'll leave it at that for now.

CLANDESTINY

Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by glico:

Fine, but -- ideas are fundamentally different from things. One cannot "steal" an idea, stealing requires removing something from someone else's possesion. In a society where everyone was ethically perfect, people would download the movie, then based on that decide whether to give money, and if so how much. I think this is a model worth working towards. I'll leave it at that for now.

A society where information is free to all is indeed a model worth working towards. I am simply making sure we understand that this isn't the society we live in now.

As long as an idea has a monetary value attached to it, be it a piece of software, a concept, a film, a story idea, an ethical construct, what have you -- as long as that is true, under today's societal and economic structure, then those ideas are, by definition, "things."

Do I wish it weren't so? Perhaps. But let's not confuse the ideal with the reality when discussing matters as they exist rather than as we would prefer them to exist.

I also take strong exception to your contention that "one cannot 'steal' an idea." One most certainly can. It is known as plagiarism. And no amount of wishing we lived in a free, information-open society invalidates the fact that ideas can be stolen, have been stolen, and will continue to be stolen.

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"Take my love, take my land, take my wife -- please." -- Henny Youngman performs the Firefly Theme.

WYDRAZ

Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
...the very existance of an illegal copy availible on the internet would allow people (maybe few, maybe many, whatever.. at least 1 fricken person) to download it and lose the desire to see it in the theater. That was 1 ticket sale we lost. Honestly.. we can't afford that. every gorram ticket sale counts.

Sorry, but if it weren't for "illegal copies" I would never have been able to find and appreciate Firefly. SO that's 1 ticket sale that was GAINED thanks to the likes of me. And I'll make several friends and relatives to go see the BDM! Information should be Free! The crappy "copies" available on the internet are no comparison to the real thing, and I don't belive for a second that they hurt sales of movie tickets or DVDs.

Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais

ANKHAGOGO

Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
But let's be realistic. If someone posted a legitimate link to a 900 MB screener DVD rip, 3 months before the release date-- WOULDN'T YOU CLICK THE LINK? Damn. How tempting is that?

warning: semi-self-righteous mini-rant ahead
Me? Nope. Not a chance. Don't believe in it, don't download songs off the Internet, don't do any of that, and I've yelled at my friends who do. I don't think it's right or fair.

This may be the reason why I always get Mal and Angel when I take those stupid quizzes. :)

"Where I come from, we have a saying: "When you yoo-hoo in the forest, the yoo-hoo that you yoo-hoo will come back to you." "Where did you say you were from again?"

SUCCATASH

Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:03 AM

Sometimes, you just need to ask yourself:

"What would Jayne do?"

GLICO

Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:28 AM

Does anyone have numbers on what it actually costs to film something of Firefly quality(not mentioning Serenity yet since I haven't seen it)? I mean film costs, set costs, etcetera not including what it costs for us to get the brilliant creative talent. I want these figures to decide whether a possible argument on free art/information is plausible in a capitalist system.

Glico.

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SHANYU

Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShanYu:
Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong to dowbload it period but its just so tempting and very few can withstand that temtation especcially with a movie like this. My opion is if you at one point download a movie see it in teateres an extra time to make up for it, and i truthfully now do not want to see serenity before it comes into theaters beacse of this thread and reading all the comments it made me relize doing so would be wrong.

I whole-heartedly disagree with your point of view. Lets put away the fact that you are STEALING the film before it's intended release date for a moment and focus on some of the finer points.

you decide, i'll download it, watch it, love it, and go see it in the theater. maybe I'll let my friend watch it once too. Nothing wrong with that right? WRONG. why? the very existance of an illegal copy availible on the internet would allow people (maybe few, maybe many, whatever.. at least 1 fricken person) to download it and lose the desire to see it in the theater. That was 1 ticket sale we lost. Honestly.. we can't afford that. every gorram ticket sale counts. listen to joss at the cons, you know the movie happened because of the dvd sales.. not the dvd downloads.

I want a gorram sequal.

if your little impatient asses can't handle that, and want to ruin my chances of having my gorram sequal, then cào nî zûxiān shí bâ dai

seriously.

I know it is 150% wrong for tehre to even be a copy on the internet, in a perfect world there wouldnt be a copy but we dont live in a perfect world and tehre will be a copy at one point and if soemone decides to watch it i just hope that it doesnt make them want to watch it less in thaters. Truthfully i now want to see this movie in theaters for the first time, but not everyone feels that way, Look at the top of the screen when i write this there are 1300 people that read this article, probably a quarter of them thought that one of you would have posted a limnk onto the site it is quite sad but truthefully i want this movie to do good they may make sequals and when all of the sequals are done i hope that someone will go up to fox and say i really think u shud make firefly into a show, might happen might not but that is my wish, hell id put all my paychecks into a fund to get it back on the air if it would help this is the greatest show i have ever seen and i dont want it to end anytime within my lifetime!

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

ANKHAGOGO

Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:

Sometimes, you just need to ask yourself:

"What would Jayne do?"

Jayne would steal the finished origninal product from ME offices and sell it to the highest bidder and buy himself a whole load of really goofy hats.

And whores. :)

"Where I come from, we have a saying: "When you yoo-hoo in the forest, the yoo-hoo that you yoo-hoo will come back to you." "Where did you say you were from again?"

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:56 PM

Quote:
wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.

If I was lucky enough to get a bootleg..it doesn't mean I wouldn't go out and pay and see the movie because I would..I like the movie experience.. and if I happened to see Joss and co to their faces I would still feel the same way..if I can get something for free I'm going too.. bottom line...and that is the nature of the way things are..thats reality..and your right I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not one bit

I'm just being honest

its not really any diffrent from downloading music off the net for free..and how many of us do that..I know I do!!

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Shanyu

Quote:
Ok heres the thing i know it dont make sense coming from me but piracy is WRONG unless you plan to go see the movie in theaters as many times as you would if u hadent seen it. so if you download a movie then dont see it in theaters it is wrong, truthfully it is wrong

but why is it so wrong..I don't know if I buy that...the theaters and movie distributors rip people off everyday..over charging for tickets paying actors Millions of dollars...

not to say that two so called wrongs make a right but it does kind of balance it out..just don't necessarily buy that its wrong just because someone says it is.. its alright in my book. I wouldn't hesitate to get a bootleg if I could!!

Quote:
Sometimes, you just need to ask yourself:

"What would Jayne do?"

yesss!!! not only what would Jayne do..but what would the crew of Serenity do ..more then likely they would steal it!!!

They are all Pirates aren't they!!!

EMPRESSPIRK

Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:55 PM

Whatever motivated Serenityfan2004 to start this thread it resulted in this rather interesting discussion so thanks, Serenityfan2004/Shanyu for that. I take it you were just impatient. Anyway, I’m just gonna throw in my two cents.

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I've been trying to think of a scenario where I could justify watching a bootlegged copy of the BDM, and for me, personally, I just couldn't click that link. But that's because I live in the US where we know the release date. The decision would be much harder if I lived in a country that might not get Serenity until the end of summer - well after Serenity's success was established (at least for the domestic US run).

I’ve been thinking about this as I live somewhere on edges of Scandinavia where the release date for Serenity is yet unknown. So for me there’s most likely going to be plenty of time and opportunities to fall for that temptation to download a crappy bootlegged copy of Serenity even after it’s released in the States. The fact a certain little movie called I, Robot I’ve been wanting to see is getting its premier here tomorrow should give you folks some idea. It’s been a while that thing got to theatres elsewhere, hasn’t it.

As tempting as a link to a bootleg copy of Serenity would be I would not click it. I haven’t been a rapid fan of anything before Firefly and never in my life anticipated a movie this much. So to see a crappy copy of the BDM would be like sullying the whole experience. Nope, I want to see it properly in theaters, many times and support the hopefully-bigger-than-just-one-movie franchise. Even if it means waiting a couple of months longer.

The ONLY possible scenario where I would download that bootlegged version is where Serenity wouldn’t get a theatrical release here at all and I couldn’t come up with the money to fly someplace else to see it. I’m buying the DVD for sure but there’s no way in hell I’m waiting that long to see it. But as small as a movie market Finland is I’m sure Universal still wants our money and we’ll get to see Serenity eventually.

The real trick for me is going to be staying away from these boards after April 22 just to avoid the big spoiler that is the entire movie. You people are going to be gloating and even if I wouldn’t mind spoilers I don’t think I could take that.

TRIBES

Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
Quote:
wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.

If I was lucky enough to get a bootleg..it doesn't mean I wouldn't go out and pay and see the movie because I would..I like the movie experience.. and if I happened to see Joss and co to their faces I would still feel the same way..if I can get something for free I'm going too.. bottom line...and that is the nature of the way things are..thats reality..and your right I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not one bit

I'm just being honest

its not really any diffrent from downloading music off the net for free..and how many of us do that..I know I do!!

I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. That is your reality and your honesty.
Sleep well.

'well here I am'

GLICO

Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:27 PM

Quote:

I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. This is your reality and your honesty.

You are equating physical things to ideas. I tell you this is not true, but you don't listen or respond. You get someone not to do something by turning the risk/benefit proportions to high risk of getting caught for the thief, compared to relatively low benefit. Locks, alarm systems, cameras, courts and so on do this for cars. Information piracy has no equivalant. Therefore, high benefit zero risk, people will do the action, download the film. We are entering a time when artists much work based on the generosity of their audience. You may not like it but it is the truth.

PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by piratejenny:

Quote:

wow, can't say i have any respect for you as a human. but i doubt you'll lose any sleep for it. I hope you do end up meeting joss and crew someday. please let them know how you feel to thier faces. But I guess if you are the kind of person who can say what you just did, you probably don't care much about the show, the movie, or any of this at all. nature my ass.
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If I was lucky enough to get a bootleg..it doesn't mean I wouldn't go out and pay and see the movie because I would..I like the movie experience.. and if I happened to see Joss and co to their faces I would still feel the same way..if I can get something for free I'm going too.. bottom line...and that is the nature of the way things are..thats reality..and your right I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not one bit

I'm just being honest

its not really any diffrent from downloading music off the net for free..and how many of us do that..I know I do!!

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I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. That is your reality and your honesty.
Sleep well.

'well here I am'

I wouldn't compare stealing someone's car to Pirating a movie off the net..its just not the same thing..there are degrees to everything

but your right...that is the nature and the reality of the way things are...and it has nothing to do with my honesty..just ask a car thief or anyone who's had their car stolen...

Unfortuntely for everyone Life Is Unfair!!

SHEPPARD

Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:57 PM

Does anyone really know the ramifications of such piracy? I don't know, I'm really just curious.

Probably like most of you, I've heard plenty of tales of woe about how downloading movies or music hurts everyone involved in the creation. Are cast and crew really paid less because the company fears potential piracy? Where are the statistics? What are the percentages? How much money out of every ticket sold in a theater goes to Universal? I'm guessing that the cast and crew have already been paid, so any other potential profit they would see would be "icing on the cake," as they say. How much money would a movie with a $50Million budget have to make to be "successful"? Do they need to make back their original expenditure plus a certain estimated percentage based on some forecast? I can only guess that they need to get their money back at very least. And if that's the case, that's an awful lot of money. How many people would there have to be who download the movie and decide upon that not to go to the theater to make a dent in the realized profits? If 10,000 people downloaded the movie and didn't see it in the theaters, would that mean that Universal would only make $101.3M instead of $101.5M?

Again, I just don't know. I'm not judging the rightness or wrongness of it, I'm just posing these qustions. I think it would be helpful to have this information - based on actual numbers, or even close estimates, so long as they are factual - before judging how downloading this movie (or anything else) would adversely affect Serenity, Joss, etc. Without any solid information, everything's just speculation based on spin from the creators of that which is being downloaded.

WINTERFELL

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by glico:
Quote:

I want your car. I want the experience of driving your car. If I can get your car for free, I am going to. That is the nature of the way things are. This is your reality and your honesty.

You are equating physical things to ideas. I tell you this is not true, but you don't listen or respond. You get someone not to do something by turning the risk/benefit proportions to high risk of getting caught for the thief, compared to relatively low benefit. Locks, alarm systems, cameras, courts and so on do this for cars. Information piracy has no equivalant. Therefore, high benefit zero risk, people will do the action, download the film. We are entering a time when artists much work based on the generosity of their audience. You may not like it but it is the truth.

That is not what we are talking about at all. You seem to be creating your own reality where you get to state what is product (a car) and what is free information (art/movies). That is ridiculous. FIRST off even if we were dealing with "ideas", they too are protected by copyright, patent, and trade mark law. Regardless of that, we weren't referring to some guys idea of some story he never wrote. We are talking about product. Marketable, protected product. A complete and physically tangible product as real as the car you seem to love and hold so dear. What I don't understand is how so many "fans" can piss all over joss and crew by openly stating their desire to steal their work, ideas, time, money, and product.

The following is not directed at anyone specifically, other than the "fans" whom I described above.

You can sit behind your big glowing screen of instant gratification feeling safe and warm while violating the well being of artist, performers, engineers, technicians, and the countless others it took to create the PRODUCT you stole/want to/plan to steal, and you can laugh at the injustice in the world and stupidly wonder why the quality of film and television are so rapidly declining. I can't claim to know how these fine actors, writers, and geniuses who created this wonderful world I enjoy so much would truly react to you or your attitudes, but I can imagine the looks on their faces, the feeling in their stomach, and the bad aftertaste in their mouth after having said "thank you" to the sorry people like yourselves.

TRIBES

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:11 AM

Piratejenny quote
"I wouldn't compare stealing someone's car to Pirating a movie off the net..its just not the same thing..there are degrees to everything"

steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
- steal·able /'stE-l&-b&l/ adjective
- steal·er noun
- steal a march on : to gain an advantage on unobserved
- steal one's thunder : to grab attention from another especially by anticipating an idea, plan, or presentation also : to claim credit for another's idea
synonyms STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things . PILFER implies stealing repeatedly in small amounts . FILCH adds a suggestion of snatching quickly and surreptitiously . PURLOIN stresses removing or carrying off for one's own use or purposes .

Main Entry: 2pirate
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pi·rat·ed; pi·rat·ing
transitive senses
1 : to commit piracy on
2 : to take or appropriate by piracy : as a : to reproduce without authorization especially in infringement of copyright b : to lure away from another employer by offers of betterment
intransitive senses : to commit or practice piracy

'well here I am'

GLICO

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tribes:
steal·ing
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice

The key word is take, take means removing something from someone's possession and putting it in yours.

TRIBES

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:34 AM

Ditto

Glico quote
"The key word is take, take means removing something from someone's possession and putting it in yours."

Main Entry: thief
Pronunciation: 'thEf
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural thieves /'thEvz/
Etymology: Middle English theef, from Old English thEof; akin to Old High German diob thief
: one that steals especially stealthily or secretly; also : one who commits theft or larceny

stealing
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of

GLICO

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tribes:
Ditto

Glico quote
"The key word is take, take means removing something from someone's possession and putting it in yours."

Main Entry: thief
Pronunciation: 'thEf
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural thieves /'thEvz/
Etymology: Middle English theef, from Old English thEof; akin to Old High German diob thief
: one that steals especially stealthily or secretly; also : one who commits theft or larceny

stealing
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of

Umm... who were you agreeing with?

HORSENBUGGY

Friday, September 24, 2004 4:00 AM

I do photography on the side. I sell my work in tourist gift shops. I also occassionally put digital copies of my work out on the net for viewing purposes only. Each time I place a copy of one of my photos on the 'net, I put a big ol' watermark on the image so that people can't download it and print it for themselves. Why shouldn't they be able to do this?

BECAUSE IT IS STEALING. I OWN the copywrite to every image I create as soon as I open and close the shutter. My photos belong to me. No one else has the right to print them, hang them, download them, etc. unless they acquired the images from ME.

Obviously, I am aware that people may still download the watermarked images I put on the 'net. And if they really know what they're doing, they may even be able to eliminate the watermark. But just because they CAN do it, doesn't mean that it is OK or RIGHT. The LAW of the United States is on my side. (I'm not exactly sure how copywrite crosses international lines, but there must certainly be some global recognition of rights.)

If photography were my only means for supporting myself (and someday I would love for it to be), this would be an even larger issue for me. As it is, what I make doesn't even cover the money I put into it. But the amount isn't important.

And while I like the argument others have made about trying to justify downloading the BDM to Joss, Nathan, Adam or Jewel, that isn't really the point, either. That indicates that we wouldn't do it because we may get caught. For me, it is about not doing it because it is illegal and morally wrong. Have I ever downloaded music before? Yes. Do I still do it? No. I thought about it a great deal and made the decision a few years ago to stop.

Someone else upthread used the phrase, "if a copy of the BDM fell into my lap." The only way I would view this miraculous "lap" copy is if it was given to me by someone directly involved in the production of the movie. But in that case, it wouldn't be a "pirated" copy. It would only become a pirated copy if I then turned around and distributed it in any way - whether through DVD copies or by posting it on the internet. That would not be legal or right for me to do any more than it is legal or right for people to steal my photos.

Why are you still arguing what's been decided?

SHANYU

Friday, September 24, 2004 4:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sheppard:
Does anyone really know the ramifications of such piracy? I don't know, I'm really just curious.

Probably like most of you, I've heard plenty of tales of woe about how downloading movies or music hurts everyone involved in the creation. Are cast and crew really paid less because the company fears potential piracy? Where are the statistics? What are the percentages? How much money out of every ticket sold in a theater goes to Universal? I'm guessing that the cast and crew have already been paid, so any other potential profit they would see would be "icing on the cake," as they say. How much money would a movie with a $50Million budget have to make to be "successful"? Do they need to make back their original expenditure plus a certain estimated percentage based on some forecast? I can only guess that they need to get their money back at very least. And if that's the case, that's an awful lot of money. How many people would there have to be who download the movie and decide upon that not to go to the theater to make a dent in the realized profits? If 10,000 people downloaded the movie and didn't see it in the theaters, would that mean that Universal would only make $101.3M instead of $101.5M?

Again, I just don't know. I'm not judging the rightness or wrongness of it, I'm just posing these qustions. I think it would be helpful to have this information - based on actual numbers, or even close estimates, so long as they are factual - before judging how downloading this movie (or anything else) would adversely affect Serenity, Joss, etc. Without any solid information, everything's just speculation based on spin from the creators of that which is being downloaded.

There is a difference between 101.3M and 101.5M that may be the deciding facotr on whetther or not they make a second movie, if im wrong tell me but i truley want a 2nd movie and a 3rd and a 4th hell i want movies till the day i die, or maybe for thjem to put the show back on! hell if it would help i would put all my pay checks in a fund to keep this going!

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

SHANYU

Friday, September 24, 2004 4:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Winterfell:
[That is not what we are talking about at all. You seem to be creating your own reality where you get to state what is product (a car) and what is free information (art/movies)...

Heres the thing that information IS NOT FREE!!! it costs money to make so if it costs money to make then they need to make money to keep it going and be able to make anotehr movie. NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE!

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

GLICO

Friday, September 24, 2004 5:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by horsenbuggy:
I do photography on the side. I sell my work in tourist gift shops. I also occassionally put digital copies of my work out on the net for viewing purposes only. Each time I place a copy of one of my photos on the 'net, I put a big ol' watermark on the image so that people can't download it and print it for themselves. Why shouldn't they be able to do this?

BECAUSE IT IS STEALING. I OWN the copyright to every image I create as soon as I open and close the shutter. My photos belong to me. No one else has the right to print them, hang them, download them, etc. unless they acquired the images from ME.

Again with the stealing... It is NOT stealing. Whether or not it's wrong is another matter entirely, but calling it stealing just to justify it being wrong is a bad basis for an argument.

The purpose of copyright law is to improve the public's position. To do this, a trade was struck, the citizens would give up some rights(namely, copying) so that authorship would be a viable business idea. This deal was struck when the public did not have the means to copy, so it was a very good deal, something for nothing. Now, the public has the ability to copy, and wants to use it. It will not be denied. A new model for authorship as a business must be made. I propose that, given their ideas will be copied, authors(including painters, computer programmers, actors, etc) distribute their work freely & with haste. The public, given that they no longer have to pay, will be more likely to pay, beceause their rights are respected.

We've had quite a few people here that say they have downloaded episodes, then immediately afterward paid money for the DVDs. This is proof that at least some percentage of piracy directly causes monetary gain for the producer(s) of the work.

EDIT: many of these are Richard Stallman's ideas, a intellectual property reformist, and founder of the Free Software Foundation.

http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/reevaluating-copyright.html

WINTERFELL

Friday, September 24, 2004 9:26 AM

Glico, your intentions may be noble and creative, but your basically then putting all your faith into an idiot public that watches reality tv and believes the world owes them something for just being alive. That wouldn't work. The public masses would be the deciding factor in what got made and what did not. Yes, we borwncoats are many, but we don't even come close to the number of trekkies let's say.. or CSI fans, etc. etc., so we would never win. It's the same reason why so many films which are viewed and changed in focus groups...suck... so very much.

Art is not a Democracy.

GLICO

Friday, September 24, 2004 12:25 PM

Art is very much a democrisy. The more people like, and are willing to pay for things of type x, the more x they will get.
However, art being a democrisy is somewhat scary, I'll admit. But I don't think there's an alternative.

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, September 24, 2004 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tribes:

Piratejenny quote
"I wouldn't compare stealing someone's car to Pirating a movie off the net..its just not the same thing..there are degrees to everything"

steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of
wrongfully b : to take away by force or unjust means c : to take surreptitiously or without permission d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
- steal·able /'stE-l&-b&l/ adjective
- steal·er noun
- steal a march on : to gain an advantage on unobserved
- steal one's thunder : to grab attention from another especially by anticipating an idea, plan, or presentation also : to claim credit for another's idea
synonyms STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things . PILFER implies stealing repeatedly in small amounts . FILCH adds a suggestion of snatching quickly and surreptitiously . PURLOIN stresses removing or carrying off for one's own use or purposes .

Main Entry: 2pirate
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pi·rat·ed; pi·rat·ing
transitive senses
1 : to commit piracy on
2 : to take or appropriate by piracy : as a : to reproduce without authorization especially in infringement of copyright b : to lure away from another employer by offers of betterment
intransitive senses : to commit or practice piracy

'well here I am'

LOL I knew someone was going to post the defination of stealing .... I saw that coming a mile away

I've got no problem downloading stuff for free off the internet..like I said there are degrees to everything.. anything can be rationalized so I'm not even going to go there..but I will state again.. I've got no problem with getting stuff off the net for free!!

nor do I think its wrong...just because someone says it is doesn't make it so!!

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