Boston
POSTED BY: MAL4PREZ
UPDATED: Friday, April 19, 2013 22:26
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What the hell just happened? Bombing the Boston marathon? What is wrong with the world?
Too early to begin speculating on who did it, but you know it'll happen anyway.
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Sickening. Not only for the act itself, which is cowardly and abhorrent, but for the reaction which will likely strike out in all the wrong directions.
I wish I could stop the world and get off for a few days. There needs to be a break room where we could get away from stuff like this.
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Already the finger pointing begins
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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If you find a way to stop it for a while, Mal4Prez, let me know because I'd like to get away from it, too.
I don't understand. Boston? Marathon runners from all over the world?
WHY???
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Originally posted by SAVEWASH:
If you find a way to stop it for a while, Mal4Prez, let me know because I'd like to get away from it, too.
I don't understand. Boston? Marathon runners from all over the world?
WHY???
I understand being pissed at authority figures, and at governments, I really do. But how in the hell does one justify destroying the lives of some regular schmoes out to watch a marathon? I will never understand how any human being talks him or herself into doing something like this.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already the finger pointing begins
I haven't seen anyone blaming or being blamed for this yet.
9:15 pm edt
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Quote:Chris Matthews already chimed in. And there were ( false ? ) reports of a suspect ...
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already the finger pointing begins
I haven't seen anyone blaming or being blamed for this yet.
9:15 pm edt
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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What did Mr. Thrill Down His Leg say?
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I know it happened nearly 7 hours ago, but i only heard about it because I was talking to one of my grandmother's on the phone. Had I not, I might not have even heard about it until Thursday night when I work next....
THIS is the EXTREME example of why I'm glad I don't have any form of "TV" except for the shows or movies I choose to download or watch......
Had I not exhibited any "human behavior" today and spoke with a relative, I wouldn't even know this horrible thing had occurred.
I don't look at it as "burying my head in the sand". I look at is as not giving idiots "water cooler" moments.
Seriously..... WTF???? CAPITAL "W", TO THE "T" TO THE "FUCK"........!!!!!!!!
We could sit here and ponder why somebody would do this forever.... Obviously there's no "MO" for it. Whoever did it wanted to let ANYONE know that ANYBODY can be killed at any second for no reason. I'm sure the next bombing like this will be at the end of a Cancer or MS relay.
I don't believe for a second it was a Middle Easterner..... although I'm sure that will come out....
Sorry to point it out to you, but for those who have been paying attention at least as little as I have, this is slowly but surly becoming a war of Good against Evil stateside....
For those of you who believe fully in your Gumment to do the right thing... I applaud your nievity...
For the rest of us.....
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Clearly everyone should have their own bombs so they can protect themselves.
#NRAlogic
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O'Reilly took this opportunity to call President Obama a Nazi for calling the bombing a "tragedy".
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Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What did Mr. Thrill Down His Leg say?
Heard he blamed the conservatives, soon after it happened.
Utterly reckless on his part.
* edit *
Here's what Mr Thrill up my leg said..
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MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about domestic terrorism as a category. Normally, domestic terrorists, people tend to be on the far right, well that’s not a good category, just extremists, let’s call them that. Do they advertise after they do something like this? Do they try to get credit as a group or do they just hate America so much or its politics or its government that they just want to do the damage, they don't care if they get public credit, if you will?
Was Obama's pal, Bill Ayers, part of the " far right " ?
And I'm glad Kwickie can begin to make jokes about this. Never too soon for some, I suppose.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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"... the FBI likely was issuing subpoenas for records from cell towers in the area to isolate and trace calls from around Copley Square at the time of the blast ..."
I had a thought - assuming of course that they really did recover an unexploded device (two elsewhere) - perhaps they were telephone activated. It was too long to walk from one to the other to set them off so close in time. And it may have been too complicated to get them to go off using timers in so well coordinated a way. Perhaps after the first two, so many people got on their cell phones that the bomber either couldn't get a dial tone or got the 'trunk line busy' fast-busy signal, and so couldn't trigger the third bomb.
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Quote:Dick.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already the finger pointing begins
May I call you "Dick"?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Dick.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already the finger pointing begins
May I call you "Dick"?
Not very Buddhist of you, Chrissy.
All I did was state a fact. You'd not call Chris Matthews "Dick" for blurting out a likely suspect, but you'll do so for me, merely because I pointed out what HE said ?
Does that seem right to you ?
Also, everyone seem so hung up on the cell phone theory. Why is that ? Do bombs not also work on timer devices ? This idea that it HAD to be cell phone activated, has that been disclosed yet ? Or , like so many other stories, is this merely being tossed out there, and repeated like holy dogma, ala " it was because of a YouTube video " ?
Really annoyed at so many false stories we're getting, by folks who want to be FIRst , instead of accurate.
Hearing " as blankity blank news is reporting " seems to be the most important thing in such stories.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already the finger pointing begins
Indeed.
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Should we even be surprised that after an event like the bombing of the Boston Marathon today, immediate suspicion would turn to Muslims? Muslims themselves were not. “The thought of every Muslim right now,” tweeted Dubai-based Al-Aan TV journalist Jenan Moussa: “Please don’t be a ‘Muslim.’”
It’s easiest to explain unexplainable — or yet unknown — things by forcing them into an existing worldview, so when a shred of evidence came along, such as an unsubstantiated New York Post report that police had detained a Saudi national, many on the right immediately took it and ran with it.
Of course, the Post’s report — which Fox News picked up — has zero named sources, zero quotes, and was contradicted by the Boston commissioner, who said authorities have no suspects in custody yet, but why let that get in the way of what you’re sure is true.
As if to anticipate such a meme spreading, every major Muslim group in America sent out press releases condemning the attacks and offering their sympathy, something no other racial or religious group is expected to do after such events (though many do). “American Muslims, like Americans of all backgrounds, condemn in the strongest possible terms today’s cowardly bomb attack on participants and spectators of the Boston Marathon,” CAIR executive director Nihad Awad said in a statement.
But that didn’t stop the speculation, and not just from people like Pamela Geller or Fox News regular Erik Rush. Or Bryan Fischer, who said on Twitter, “NBC: suspect a student who was here on a student visa. Anybody want to rethink Muslim immigration?” These people have made careers peddling inflammatory rhetoric. If Pam Geller didn’t immediately blame Muslims, it might be a good idea to send someone over to make sure she’s feeling OK.
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/15/after_boston_explosions_a_right_wing_s
capegoat_emerges/
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Also, everyone seem so hung up on the cell phone theory. Why is that ? Do bombs not also work on timer devices ? This idea that it HAD to be cell phone activated, has that been disclosed yet ?
Really? Other people thought of that besides me? I hadn't heard. As for my claiming it HAD to be cell phone activated, perhaps I can point this out: I had a thought - assuming of course that they really did recover an unexploded device (two elsewhere) - perhaps they were telephone activated. It was too long to walk from one to the other to set them off so close in time. And it may have been too complicated to get them to go off using timers in so well coordinated a way. Perhaps after the first two, so many people got on their cell phones that the bomber either couldn't get a dial tone or got the 'trunk line busy' fast-busy signal, and so couldn't trigger the third bomb.
ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And I'm glad Kwickie can begin to make jokes about this. Never too soon for some, I suppose.
What did you think I was joking about?
Odd that you didn't bother to call out your buddy Jongsie for "joking" about this, but you feel the need to claim I'm joking.
Did I say something you found funny?
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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My REPLY
And it's a REPLY to EVERYONE.....
Two income homes and the other 55% without dads at all in the picture is to blame stateside....
Keep letting your kids be raised by day care or nannies who let them watch TV all day.
Anyone who did this today probably isn't half as pissed off as I am today. I'm also pretty f'ing unstable, but I still have close relations with my family. Close enough that if I were ever to be used as a scapegoat for a travesty like this there would be far to many people to back up that I wasn't even if I didn't have a solid alibi.
There's no MO on their side....
If you know me, I just want to live comfortably and watch you all tear each other apart for fun.
I've warned people. I've told people about this stuff.... nobody listens.
Don't worry...
Gumment will step it up a notch.
Next year, it will cost 125 bucks to watch a Cubs game on the Bleachers.
It will cost 19.25 for a 16oz Budwiser and you'll be cut off at the 3rd inning.
In other words, Wrigley Field will look as barren as Comisky Park in 2014!
In the mean time, you bra burners are the ones to blame....
Not the good women who got a good man and had good children and want to raise them right.
You forced Lesbians because no man would have you. You uglier than sin women who got college educations and became leaders of PACs.
There is not one single GOD DAMMNED THING WRONG with being a stay at home mom and raising kids right. You're just salty because you're so ugly no man would have you.
It's because of YOU today that people look down at Stay at Home Moms.
Between my step-brother and my half brother and their combined FREE college education, books and room and board, they "made" over 1/2 a million dollars in education.
Imagine my surprise when I had to pay nearly 5k out of pocket for an associates degree that never happened.... on more than one occasion.
Fuck you...
Fuck "PC"
My youngest brother is going to graduate next year, and is going for his Doctorate.
He's only 20 years old and will be teaching kids younger than him.
As awesome as my Dad was as the "cornerstone", it would have never happened if my step-mom wasn't there 24/7 to take care of my bros.
That house was alwasys god dammend springtime fresh. The best and most nutricious meals I've ever ate.
I'm not salty. I know I'm smart enough to be an "Overlord" voiced by they guy who says "Smither's" on the Simpsons....
Trust me... If I had my bro wrapped up in 5k a month benefits and making out with a Kardashian asshole every month, this would move from the RWED to some post-Billy Maze infomercial.....
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And my point is proven.
Bravo.
Still, anyone wonder why our President didn't simply call this act for what it was ?
Terrorism
Is being bored or annoyed by terrorism any reason to ignore calling it for what it is ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Also, everyone seem so hung up on the cell phone theory. Why is that ? Do bombs not also work on timer devices ? This idea that it HAD to be cell phone activated, has that been disclosed yet ?
Really? Other people thought of that besides me? I hadn't heard. As for my claiming it HAD to be cell phone activated, perhaps I can point this out: I had a thought - assuming of course that they really did recover an unexploded device (two elsewhere) - perhaps they were telephone activated. It was too long to walk from one to the other to set them off so close in time. And it may have been too complicated to get them to go off using timers in so well coordinated a way. Perhaps after the first two, so many people got on their cell phones that the bomber either couldn't get a dial tone or got the 'trunk line busy' fast-busy signal, and so couldn't trigger the third bomb.
ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!
Don't worry - if you turn out to be right, Rappy will say he called it all along.
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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6ix
Put the bottle down, OK? You'll get through this.
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What makes this act "terrorism" and not Newtown or Aurora?
By the way, is calling it an "act of terror" close enough to calling it terrorism?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero
"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"
Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And my point is proven.
You had a point?
That would be a first.
And I don't believe you.
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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Kwicko
A little help unscrambling the scrambled. Do you have any idea what little rappy was referring to when he posted this:
And my point is proven.
Bravo.
Did it have anything to do with 6ix's post?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
6ix
Put the bottle down, OK? You'll get through this.
Pretty much, I'm just lauging my way through it 1kiki....
Sure, I've got family, but they all have direct connects much more in charge of their own well being besides their limited wits....
Boston was really sad though....
Your government is going to put a tight leash on people because of what happened in Boston.
Even though, likely, they were the ones behind it in the first place.
God Damn.....
I wish I was 6 years old again and "OWNED" all of the "Draw 4" cards.
That's the gumment we live in.
"Disobey?".......?
"Draw Four!"
"Self Sufficient as a community????".....?
"Draw Four!"
Fuck Uncle Sam....
EDITED TO ADD: Seriously.....
Fuck Uncle Sam....
Cocksucking rapist evil clitty....
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Wow, 6IX, you've got this all figured out, dontcha? It's all a big government conspiracy, innit? Well, I'm sure you'll find the answer at the bottom of that bottle, so keep drinkin'!
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And my point is proven. Bravo.
Or maybe you'll find rappy there before you. Seems like HE'S already got a head start on ya.
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Quote:But if it turns out that this was done by one of your right-wing anti-tax teabillies, what are you going to call it then? Patriotism?
Still, anyone wonder why our President didn't simply call this act for what it was ?
Terrorism
Is being bored or annoyed by terrorism any reason to ignore calling it for what it is ?
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Disgusting how these inside job false flags herd the sheeple so very well.
Joos really know what they're doing, I'll hand em that. Their slaves paid them $500-billion today as interest on the federal govt debt to the private jooish banksters, german nazi queen of england and commie china.
Amurkins are so fukkin stoopid.
Bomb drill same day as 'actual' Boston Marathon Massacre
http://www.infowars.com/boston-marathon-bombing-happened-on-same-day-a
s-controlled-explosion-drill-by-boston-bomb-squad/
FBI history of giving live bombs to 'terrorists' on FBI payroll
http://www.infowars.com/fbis-history-of-handing-terror-suspects-live-e
xplosives/
Obama bombed and murdered 30 people today at wedding in Afghanistan
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125820/US-bomb-kills-30-Afghan
-wedding.html
In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_(Firefly)
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"Disgusting how these inside job false flags herd the sheeple so very well."
I don't see a stampede in any direction, do you PN? If we aren't stampeding, why do you think we're sheeple?
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What are you getting at here?
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Perhaps he wanted to wait until the facts were more clear? Jayne would fly headlong at a problem without a second thought. That's why Mal is the Captain.
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Moi?
I don't see a stampede. AT PRESENT I don't see the government trying to steer us into one. I would be personally extremely suspicious if it looked like it was headed in that direction. Like I was w/ Afghanistan and especially Iraq, like I was with the USPATRIOT Act (supported almost entirely by our right-wing contingent), etc.
I just wonder who is acting as 'sheeple' since I don't see anyone being herded in a particular direction.
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Am I the only one who noticed this is Tax Day, and Boston? If there was an anti-tax nut who didn't mind killing a few fellow 'muricans to make a point, al la Tim mcVeigh, seems the day and the venue would pretty much fit the bill.
OTOH, maybe it's North Korea's clever plan to get us fight each other... not that we need much encouragement in that direction.
Or maybe it's Iraqis, Pakistanis, or Afghanis. After all, thanks to us they've been living with terrorist bombings for the past 10 years or so. Seems they have every right to be aggrieved. Giving us a taste of our own medicine, perhaps?
Or maybe it's the gubmint, like PN said. One more excuse to take away even MORE freedoms. Yet another justification to detain, imprison, torture and kill citizens w/o trial. Not that it would bother rappy.
I can think of a lot of plausible enemies.
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Yeah, Tax Day and Boston were my first thought as well. And the fact that the Boston Marathon is an international event, so there's a fear of globalization somewhere in the subtext, just as there was on 9/11. Regardless of who's "responsible," these things always happen for the same reason.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Also, everyone seem so hung up on the cell phone theory. Why is that ? Do bombs not also work on timer devices ? This idea that it HAD to be cell phone activated, has that been disclosed yet ?
Really? Other people thought of that besides me? I hadn't heard. As for my claiming it HAD to be cell phone activated, perhaps I can point this out: I had a thought - assuming of course that they really did recover an unexploded device (two elsewhere) - perhaps they were telephone activated. It was too long to walk from one to the other to set them off so close in time. And it may have been too complicated to get them to go off using timers in so well coordinated a way. Perhaps after the first two, so many people got on their cell phones that the bomber either couldn't get a dial tone or got the 'trunk line busy' fast-busy signal, and so couldn't trigger the third bomb.
The news is full throttle in promoting this idea, that it HAD to be cell phone activated, and the working theory is that cell traffic prevented other devices from going off. I don't know. Possible, but it sounds too scripted for me to buy into it, that so many different news outlets are running with exactly the same speculation, w/ out anything official to go on.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Clearly everyone should have their own bombs so they can protect themselves.
#NRAlogic
Kwickie joking about the bombing
All Jongs was commenting on about was Matthews. Yet Kwickie can't decipher between the two.
@Sig - MY point was how folks were already placing blame on this or that group, based on no info, or worse, FALSE info.
Don't try to misrepresent my remarks and connect them to comments made by others having nothing to do w/what I was saying.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Clearly everyone should have their own bombs so they can protect themselves.
#NRAlogic
Kwickie joking about the bombing
All Jongs was commenting on about was Matthews. Yet Kwickie can't decipher between the two.
Again I ask: Why do you think I was joking? Do you find the NRA's stance on guns laughable? This is exactly the logic they used in the aftermath of Newtown. Do you think they're a joke?
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@Sig - MY point was how folks were already placing blame on this or that group, based on no info, or worse, FALSE info.
Don't try to misrepresent my remarks and connect them to comments made by others having nothing to do w/what I was saying.
Yeah, don'tcha just hate when people do that?
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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012
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From FauxNews contributor Erik Rush, yesterday afternoon:
http://samuel-warde.com/2013/04/erik-rush-tweets-all-muslims-should-be
-killed-in-reponse-to-boston-explosions/
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sorry to hear about this. don't know what all the hate on this board is about. surely you can agree that
the bombing should be condemned
nobody knows who did it yet
not sure what this bitchfest is about
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What makes this act "terrorism" and not Newtown or Aurora?
Motive.
Recently we used explosives to take down a building in my city...nobody was hurt. That wasn't terrorism either...it was "redevelopment". Similar acts undertaken for different reasons changes the nature of the act.
H
Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
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Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Disgusting how these inside job false flags herd the sheeple so very well.
According to you every single incident...I mean every one is a 'false flag' incident.
Have you ever witnesses a tragic act of war or terrorism and said to yourself, "the American-Nazi-Jew government is innocent of this act"?
Surely you can name one incident in say...the last 100 years that was a legitimate act of war or terror and not part of some plot or inside job.
H
Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Am I the only one who noticed this is Tax Day, and Boston? If there was an anti-tax nut who didn't mind killing a few fellow 'muricans to make a point, al la Tim mcVeigh, seems the day and the venue would pretty much fit the bill.
I noticed that. While always possible, it is unlikely to be a right wing tax-resister or left-wing anarchist.
Your initial idea of the timing has merit, but the nature of the attack is what is most telling here. It is highly unlikely (but not impossible) that an anti-tax or anti-govt person would use a bomb to attack a large crowd like this. They are far more likely to target govt buildings or officials. This type of bombing fits more into the methods and targets chosen by Islamic terrorists.
While this is not conclusive, it is a consideration. I think it would be a mistake to rule out anything until the evidence starts to be processed.
I note for the record that the Olympic Park bombing was undertaken as an act of terror and had two objectives.
1. To punish the US for its ongoing support for international socialism and abortion.
2. "The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested."
The bomber was a right wing domestic terrorist.
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All above very well said Hero. You're outstanding posts are like breaths of fresh air.
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Kwickie - Your comment on the NRA made zero sense as it had nothing to do with the Boston bombing. What point, other than a snarky, passive/ aggressive " joke " could you have meant?
The answer? None. There was no point. It was you being you. Sadly.
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Just wanted to once again point out that this was indeed an act of terrorism. Any time anyone threatens, injures, or kills citizens to affect the survivors* it is an act of terrorism, whether the terrorists are jihadists, zionists, environmentalists, anti-taxists, gang-bangers, soldiers, police, or secret service. So, is this something we can ALL agree on and stick with, no matter WHO the perpetrator(s) are? No going back, and changing the goalposts afterwards if we find out that the perpetrator was [gasp!] one of our own, however we define that to be?
*The reason why I define terrorism this was is to exclude one-on-one acts of violence. Also to exclude acts against property.
HERO- I think the timing and venue of the bombing was more than coincidental. If you simply want to injure large numbers of people, any sports event or holiday which brings people together in large numbers- New Year's Eve, for example- would be as effective. Either this is an anti-tax person or someone who really wants to muddy the waters. But what point is there to an act of terrorism if you mask your objective? The whole point of terrorism is to make people DO SOMETHING en masse, to drive them in a direction. If the objective isn't clear, all you have is a mob of people mentally milling around- yanno, like a stampede in an enclosed space.
So, what has the bomber accomplished? Personally-satisfying revenge? More subservience to Homeland Security? Fear of marathons? Fear of large crowds?
The longer nobody claims credit, the more puzzling it becomes. It becomes difficult to infer an objective, and therefore a perpetrator. One possible winner in this whole scenario is Homeland Security. After 911, everyone was ready to bend over and grab their ankles in the name of security. Rappy was willing to torture anyone who might be an enemy. We invaded nations for no reason whatsoever. We set up secret prisons everywhere, and funded this giant agency called Homeland Security (what an Orwellian name!) which is busy collecting every bit of information on everyone everyhwere. Let's not make that mistake again, and surrender what few rights we have remaining in the name of safety, invade some far-distant random nation, and throw even more money at the "security" agencies, OK?
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Clearly everyone should have their own bombs so they can protect themselves.
#NRAlogic
Kwickie joking about the bombing
All Jongs was commenting on about was Matthews. Yet Kwickie can't decipher between the two.
Kwacko can't decipher anything anymore. The other day he said the Tea Party was the same as Al Qaeda. How ya supposed to respond to an insane lunatic like him? I don't know how you do it, but I do admire your efforts with him.
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Kwickie - Your comment on the NRA made zero sense as it had nothing to do with the Boston bombing. What point, other than a snarky, passive/ aggressive " joke " could you have meant?
The answer? None. There was no point. It was you being you. Sadly.
Your inability to grasp the point doesn't mean it wasn't there. But then, there's very little you don't get wrong.
Now, back to the actual issue - there were no unexploded devices, it was confirmed today. The ATF did explode one package - just to be sure, but there was no device inside. The two detonated bombs are all they can confirm at this stage.
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HERO- I think the timing and venue of the bombing was more than coincidental. If you simply want to injure large numbers of people, any sports event or holiday which brings people together in large numbers- New Year's Eve, for example- would be as effective. Either this is an anti-tax person or someone who really wants to muddy the waters. But what point is there to an act of terrorism if nobody knows who to fear? The whole point of terrorism is to make people DO SOMETHING en masse, to drive them in a direction. If the objective isn't clear, all you have is a mob of people mentally milling around- yanno, like a stampede in an enclosed space.
So, what has the bomber accomplished? Personally-satisfying revenge? More subservience to Homeland Security? Fear of marathons? Fear of large crowds?
Bombing the Boston Marathon is an attack on very large scale sporting event that offers a unique oportunities and advantages for radical Islamic terrorists.
1. The event has a signifigant amount of international attention, especially in the Third World which is usually very effectively represented. It is also the premiere running event in the world. Others may be larger, but you'd be hard pressed to find one with more prestige.
2. It's venue is one of America's best known major cities. New York, LA, Chicago, and Washington are certainly top tier, but Boston is also a front runner for rounding out the top five and is certainly in the top ten.
3. It offers an extremely large number of people both as active participants, staff, and observers. These people are highly concentrated in confined city streets.
4. The venue is spread over a twenty-six mile stretch making comprehensive protection of the entire event nearly impossible.
I said a couple weeks back that the real danger we face is not Al Queda engaging in complicated plots to attack New York or LA, it's when they realize they dont have to attack New York or LA. At the time I wrote a series of possible targets which I deleted before posting because the possibilty was too frightening to put into words. I did not predict the Boston attack, but my targets included select low security sporting events located in cities other then New York, Washington, LA, or Chicago. The events I suggested included high school or college basketball games, graduation cerimonies, local political events, etc. I noted that the key ingrediants combine a large number of people in a confined area with little or no security to detect, deter, or prevent terrorist attacks.
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HERO- Well, I added more to my post.
And I see you're already assigning blame.
You have made a number of good points as to why ANYONE might target the Boston Marathon. It's a good target, but that would make it attractive for ANYONE seeking to terrorize people. It might even be an anti-immigration reform terrorist, since the proposal was going before the Senate that day.
Right now, you're jumping well ahead of information. You may be right, but you may also be wrong. We know where you stand. Don't start prosecuting before the evidence. Let it be.
AN ADDITIONAL THOUGHT- While the bombing is similar to the IEDs elsewhere, there were many ways it could have been made more lethal (not going to say how). Whoever did this is an amateur, and probably working alone since this is within the scope of one person.
Also, the blast looked to be black powder. Any thoughts?
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By the way, is calling it an "act of terror" close enough to calling it terrorism ?
Obama didn't , in his initial address to the nation. Avoided the word in all forms. Axelrod even had to explain this, or try to. It was laughable.
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Rappy- so what? Let's all agree that this was terrorism. Only let's agree that it will STILL be terrorism even after we find out the perp.
AFA the idea that the explosion looked and sounded like black powder- any thoughts from you gun experts out there?
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" so what? "
How about " you're right, Rap. He didn't ", and then go on from there?
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Ya hear that Sig - you are only allowed to proceed if you do so how rappy says.
Or, just ignore him.
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RAPPY, I don't know what the President did or didn't say, I was working and only found out about the bombing because my sister called to tell me. Yes, it was an act of terror, terrorism- whatever you want to call it. Glad we agree. If the President didn't call it terrorism, that's him- an abundance of caution. And what's the point of calling something terrorism if you have no idea who and why? All you do is rile people up, and they start going after every imagineable target... muslims, sikhs, teabaggers... any conceivable target will do.
MORE RELEVANT- Here's what I got out of watching the video and hearing the news:
That scene of the runner getting hit. I SAW the piece of debris that hit him, and my eyes are crappy. So it was moving relatively slowly. If it had been heavy- like a piece of concrete- he wouldn't have gotten up to finish the race, he would most likely be dead. So, it was a 'slow' explosion. In addition, the sound was a 'boom' or a thump, not a crack, and the lingering bluish-white smoke could have been gunpowder.
There were two packages, left at street level, in the style of an IED.
The bombs could have been even more deadly, and there were no 'secondary' devices- that is, devices set to explode once emergency personnel were on scene.
It was Tax Day, in Boston. Most people outside of the USA don't track our tax days or what it means to us. But it was a perfect soft target: a large event that is completely non-secureable, so the timing may be coincidental.
All of this is well within the scope of a single person working with homemade explosives who is unused to - and has gotten no advice about- killing people efficiently. If this was someone from the ME, I think they would have been far more efficient about maximizing casualities. It could be a Westerner/ American.
Right now, that's all I've been able to piece together. Does anyone have any other thoughts?
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Sig - my comment on Obama NOT calling it " terror " was primarily @ Kwickie . I agree w/ much of what you're saying on this matter.
( it was Patriots Day in Boston. It was tax day every where in the US. )
Storybook - hurts you THAT much to admit I'm right? Really?
Wow.
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I know this is a concept you cannot grasp rappy - but it's not about you.
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The news is full throttle in promoting this idea, that it HAD to be cell phone activated
I guess that's RAP's news, because on four other stations, I never heard a word about that...Quote:
Magons, the bitchfest is because everyone seems to have an interest in promoting their own beliefs. When people don't have facts, they reach. Me, I'm not reaching, or trying not to, I'm waiting to see what they learn, and I sincerely hope they DO learn who was behind this so there can be a minimum of insanity pointed in the wrong direction. I, too, agree that, as far as I've been able to learn, all we can agree on is]quote] the bombing should be condemned
nobody knows who did it yet
As far as I've been able to discern, currently this is what is known:Quote:
-- "This was a heinous and cowardly act and, given what we now know about what took place, the FBI is investigating it as an act of terrorism," President Barack Obama said on Tuesday at the White House after meeting with key advisers about the Boston Marathon bombing.
-- Obama said officials do not know whether the bombing was the work of a terrorist group or "a malevolent individual," nor do authorities have a sense of what may have been the motive.
-- "We will find whoever harmed our citizens and we will bring them to justice," he said.
-- No one is in custody, Police Commissioner Ed Davis told reporters Tuesday.
-- Authorities are processing "the most complex crime scene that we have dealt with in the history of our department," Davis said.
-- "Make no mistake: An act of cowardice and of this severity cannot be justified or explained," District Attorney Dan Conley said. "It can only be answered."
-- Thirty forensic specialists and a number of dogs trained to detect explosive devices and their residue are at the scene of the blasts, according to Gene Marquez, special agent in charge for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
-- No unexploded devices have been found, Marquez said.
-- Authorities are asking those who may have video or pictures from the scene around the time of the blasts to call city or FBI hotlines.
-- The blast site will take several days to process, Marquez said.
-- FBI Agent Rick DesLauriers said law enforcement has received a "voluminous" number of tips.
-- Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director Robert Mueller met with Obama at the White House.
-- A law enforcement official said there was no specific suspect in the bombings and no leading theory on a motive.
-- The official said investigators have found no surveillance video showing the bombs being put in place but were continuing to comb through video from nearby businesses, etc.
-- The intelligence community is poring through all threat reporting to see if there is anything that could be connected to the explosions in Boston, U.S. counterterrorism officials said.
-- The federal Emergency Response Team has cleared the crime scene near the finish line and is beginning to inventory the evidence, a federal law enforcement source said.
-- The device may have been placed in a trash can, from which shrapnel was created when it detonated.
-- Authorities searched an apartment late Monday in the town of Revere, northeast of Boston, and removed items, but would not say how the search might be linked to the investigation.
-- The official said the Revere search is connected to a young Saudi man on a student visa who has been questioned at a hospital.
-- The initial search found nothing related to the bombing, the official said.
-- The search took place with consent, so no search warrant was needed, a federal law enforcement official told CNN.
-- U.S. and Saudi officials said more than one Saudi has been interviewed. CNN knows of a male, whose apartment was searched, and a female. All those interviewed are cooperating, and none has been lab
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Quote:Important if true. This shows a serious intent to kill and maim, and some knowledge of how to do it.
The bombings resulted in at least 10 amputations and left doctors picking ball bearings out of victims in the emergency room, a terrorism expert briefed on the investigation said.
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(I may have to edit this, I'm just putting up stuff as fast as I can find it. If the text doesn't wrap, come back,
I'll have fixed it)
I find far more interesting the heroism shown by those who were there, dealing with the horror.Quote:
In the wake of the bloody explosions, the resolve of those on the scene and the heroic measures people go to in the midst of a crisis re-iterated everything you need to know about the American spirit.
Among the shattered glass and severed limbs of Monday's explosions are examples of the definition of heroic.
COWBOY-HAT WEARING HERO
By now you have seen the picture, above, a man being wheeled from the destruction following a blast at the finish line of the Boston Marathon on Monday. The photo has been cropped due to the severity of his lower limbs.
The man in the cowboy hat is just one of the many being called a hero.
The International Business Journal has identified the man as 52-year-old Carlos Arredondo. According to the report, he is "seemingly pinching off the exposed femoral artery of a victim who lost both his legs during the attack as he is escorted from the scene via wheelchair," in the picture above.
Arredondo can be seen helping with the immediate response to the explosions beginning at the 1:45 mark of the video below (video at http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/04/in_the_wake_of_one_cowardly_ac.html]). There was also a report of Arredondo trying to stop the bleeding of another victim of the explosion.
He was at the marathon to show support for a runner who dedicated his race to Arredondo's son, a U.S. Marine who was killed in the Iraq War, according to the Portland Press-Herald of Maine.
FORMER PATRIOT A TRUE PATRIOT
Former New England Patriots offensive lineman Joe Andruzzi was at the finish line of the Boston Marathon because his charitable foundation, which had participants in the marathon, was hosting an event at a local establishment, according to ESPN.com.
The former NFL star was photographed carrying a woman to safety.
Andruzzi, who played for the Patriots from 2000-04 has three brothers who were New York City firefighters involved in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, per ESPN.
He released a statement earlier Monday.
"Marathon Monday should be about uplifting stories, personal challenges and fundraising milestones, but today's bombings irrevocably changed that," the statement said. "While I appreciate the interest in hearing our perspective on today's horrific events, the spotlight should remain firmly on the countless individuals -- first responders, medics, EMTs, runners who crossed the finish line and kept on running straight to give blood, and the countless civilians who did whatever they could to save lives. They were the true heroes. Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this senseless tragedy."
HEROES COME FROM ALL OVER AND IN ALL FORMS
While many of the heroes were at the blast site, the outpouring of support came from all over.
A Google doc was created with Boston-area people offering a place to stay for those that were stranded.
Google also made a people finder for those locating loved ones.
Local restaurants offered free food to those who could not pay, and there was a city-wide plead to unlock WiFi for those who needed Internet access.
http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/04/in_the_wake_of_one_cowardly_ac.htmlQuote:
Following the deadly blasts at the Boston Marathon, acts of heroism were shared on Twitter and the Web.
Some runners who crossed the finish line continued running to Massachusetts General Hospital to donate blood.Quote:
The fact that so many runners in the Boston marathon kept running after the marathon to the hospital to donate blood, touches my heart. — olivia duran (@olivia
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Storybook - So, when you say " ignore him " , you DON'T mean me?
Got it.
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Yeah, let's carry on with our own petty bickering. Rap just reflected everything I despise about RWED. JMHO.
As to the question of Obama and the word "terrorism":Quote:
On Monday evening, in his first statement on the explosions, Mr. Obama didn’t call the attack “terror” or “terrorism;” he called it a “tragedy,” sparking criticism from some conservatives that he was underplaying the meaning of what had happened. Yet right after the president’s remarks, a White House official told reporters that the administration was treating the attack as terrorism.
By Tuesday morning, when Obama made his second public statement, he acknowledged that he had no answers – who carried out the attack, why they did it, whether it was the act of a terrorist organization, foreign or domestic, or the act of a “malevolent individual.”
“Clearly we're at the beginning of our investigation,” he said. “It will take time to follow every lead and determine what happened. But we will find out. We will find whoever harmed our citizens, and we will bring them to justice.”
Since news of the explosions broke Monday afternoon, Obama has blended speed with caution and a tone of resolve as he has sought to reassure the nation. He spoke in the briefing room a little over three hours after the attacks, not because he had answers but to convey that his administration and all levels of law enforcement were on the case.
The president’s initial hesitance to call the attack terror or terrorism was “classic Obama,” says Martin Medhurst, an expert on political rhetoric at Baylor University in Waco, Texas.
“It tells us he’s a cautious speaker,” says Mr. Medhurst. “But we’ve known that about Obama for a long time. It didn’t surprise me that he wouldn’t immediately call it terror.”
The history books are full of examples where government officials and the media have not exercised caution in putting out preliminary – and ultimately false – information about who might have perpetrated an attack on Americans. When a federal building was bombed in Oklahoma City in 1995, initial suspicion focused on a Jordanian-American man, who was arrested and interrogated. Soon it became clear the attack was a case of domestic terrorism.
A year later, during the Summer Olympics in Atlanta, a bomb was set off in a park, killing two people. A security guard on the scene named Richard Jewell became the prime FBI suspect in the case, and was hounded by the media. Mr. Jewell was eventually exonerated, after investigators determined that the perpetrator was domestic terrorist Eric Rudolph. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0416/Obama-and-terrorism-
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Just "For what it's worth".
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Important if true. This shows a serious intent to kill and maim, and some knowledge of how to do it.
The bombings resulted in at least 10 amputations and left doctors picking ball bearings out of victims in the emergency room, a terrorism expert briefed on the investigation said.
I don't think it nescesarily implies great knowledge - just that they've seen a movie or two.
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Just been getting this in on numerous websites:Quote:
The two bombs that ripped through the crowds at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and wounding more than 170, were fashioned out of pressure cookers and packed with shards of metal, nails and ball bearings, a person briefed on the investigation said Tuesday.
A person who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was still going on said that the explosives were put in 6-liter pressure cookers, placed in black duffel bags and left on the ground. They were packed with shrapnel to inflict maximum carnage, the person said.
The person said law enforcement officials have some of the bomb components but do not yet know what was used to set off the explosives.
A doctor treating the wounded appeared to corroborate the person's account, saying one of the victims was maimed by what looked like ball bearings or BBs. Doctors also said they removed a host of sharp objects from the victims, including nails that were sticking out of one little girl's body.
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Similar pressure-cooker explosives have been used in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan, according to a July 2010 joint FBI and Homeland Security intelligence report. Also, one of the three devices used in the May 2010 Times Square attempted bombing was a pressure cooker, the intelligence report said.
"Placed carefully, such devices provide little or no indication of an impending attack," the report said.
The Pakistani Taliban, which claimed responsibility for the 2010 attempt in Times Square, has denied any role in the Boston Marathon attack.
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Richard Barrett, the former U.N. coordinator for an al-Qaida and Taliban monitoring team who has also worked for British intelligence, said the relatively small size of the devices in Boston and the timing of the blasts suggest a domestic attack rather than an al-Qaida-inspired one. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/sports&id=9066719&am
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That's a new one I've never heard of before...?
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HERO- I think the timing and venue of the bombing was more than coincidental. If you simply want to injure large numbers of people, any sports event or holiday which brings people together in large numbers- New Year's Eve, for example- would be as effective. Either this is an anti-tax person or someone who really wants to muddy the waters. But what point is there to an act of terrorism if you mask your objective? The whole point of terrorism is to make people DO SOMETHING en masse, to drive them in a direction. If the objective isn't clear, all you have is a mob of people mentally milling around- yanno, like a stampede in an enclosed space.
I'm not saying that it wasn't an anti-govt or anti-tax bomber. I'm saying that the target does not conform with the traditional attacks made by those types of people. The usually target either specific people or govt buildings.
I think the attack is consistant with attacks made by Islamic terrorists. These attacks have been attempted recently and failed at home but are very common abroad. Attacks on mass transit, market places, etc have all been executed in recent years with great frequency in many countries including Britain.
Islamic terrorism is an obvious suspect group, but as I noted earlier there is a remarkable similarity to the Olympic Park bombing. That bombing was neither anti-tax nor anti-govt, but was anti-abortion. It was also the work of one man who had a history of other bombings.
There is also a possibilty that there was no political motive and this is just a mass killing like the recent shootings. Mass killings using explosives would also also target events and groups rather then locations and people.
If I had to rate the likely motives I'd rate them in the following manner:
1. Islamic terror
2. Mass Killing
3. Anti-gay marriage and/or abortion (that State is a leader on both those issues, but I'd bet gay marriage ahead of abortion).
4. Anti-tax/govt
5. Anarchist
6. Racial/ethnic
7. Just plain murder or suicide
8. Accident
9. Disgruntled 2nd place finisher
10. Bill Cosby (not the man, but if you play his records backwards it says 'blow up the race', I note for the record that later on it says 'I love pudding')
Let me know if you think I missed one.
It could be a combination in which case we're looking for a Muslim with terrorist ties who hates gay marriage and abortion, did not file his taxes, believes the WTO is evil, want's to kill Bill Cosby (because he is black), but whose bomb blew up at the wrong time, and who finished a close 2nd place.
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Niki ,
I responded as an AMERICAN who is sick of seeing politicians speak in empty, cowardly PC nonsense. That it was Obama? Not the issue.
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>_>
I wouldn't necessarily just label whoever did this as an amateur. The myriad potential uses of an unlikely package like a pressure cooker suggests at least some degree of a science background. They chose one of the cheapest and readily available ways to cause a lot of damage without raising too many red flags.
Never underestimate the creativity and cunning of someone with a nasty grudge.
Also to some of you and you know who you are: there's no way you're being serious about this. Come on. Don't troll international tragedies.
(This post not specifically in response to anyone)
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>_>
I wouldn't necessarily just label whoever did this as an amateur. The myriad potential uses of an unlikely package like a pressure cooker suggests at least some degree of a science background....
Or has access to Google. Or has been to the Iraq or Afghanistan (pressure cooker bombs being *very* common there, with little scientific knowledge, Id wager).
Which granted, doesn't mean they're amateurs or lack scientific knowledge... but literally *anyone* could have put this together with a trip to the Wal-Mart, or depending on what's on-hand.... their garage.
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I'd rather hold my tongue, especially given the dearth of information available at this point in time, but one should know...
There was a contact of mine from IndyMedia on-site just prior, and whether or no his account is fully creditable it's hard to say, but according to him very shortly prior the security and other people moved into different positions and waited, so blatantly "they were practically checking their watches for christs sake!" and this prompted him to get the hell out of dodge in a hurry and probably saved his life cause he did catch some of it when it went off although he isn't badly injured so far as we know.
Now, as far as what is *known* at the moment - jack diddly, but there's some level of hinky on all this which is setting red flags off to me, not the least of which was trotting out ole Alex Jones in an immediate attempt to discredit what is frankly one of the more logical scenarios, which stuck me in the same fashion as a boxed crooks overblown and melodramatic denials.
What concerns me is that this might have been, or been related to, one of those endless FBI-manufactured plots where they either fumbled the ball by negligence or design(1), and people came to harm as a result.
It's not hard to see where someone who DID know what they were doing could parlay the attempted setup into securing material support for an actual attack and successfully carrying it off, a danger I have previously pointed out more than once - in same cases it could be as easy as swapping dud devices/explosives for the real thing right under their noses, all while the supposed sting keeps others from stopping them.
There's also that little bit hanging over this from another thread...
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So, what I think we have here, is Dees trying to put the pressure on, rile up and provoke the rightwingnuts to do something stupid because they feel threatened and then whip up a media circus for more profit and power.
From: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=54508
Or it could just be some maniac with a grudge who isn't right in the head - which is my assessment of anyone who'd do something like this regardless, but given a hard push for disarmament on top of the outright demonization of anyone who might hold conservative sentiments as potential terrorists, and an all too convenient provocative incident, I am suspicious of how much of this is just political opportunism to feel out whether a downright palmer-raids type purge is viable, and how much of it might not just be opportunism.
There's a certain historical pattern to these kinds of things you see - and whether or not it happens to be just some random berk with a lot of opportunism piled on, or something more malicious, to not see the danger looming within the greater situation is perhaps a bit naive.
Oh, and for the record I don't buy that claim about no additional devices any more than I bought it when they tried to sell it after the OKC bombing, a claim shown to be patently false but believed at the time by enough of the gullible that said devices were removed and disposed thus preventing any analysis or source tracing which might have revealed a lot more about what really happened that day.
Sure, at this time we've no idea - and to repeat my sentiment in response to 9-11, yeah, I want some heads too... but I want the CORRECT ONES, not just politically convenient scrapegoats indicted on a clobbered together bullshit story no one examines too thoroughly cause they're pissed off and hearing what they want to hear.
There's no real safety from something like this, no measure of allowable invasive surveillence or civil rights infringement which would make it not happen - the ONLY route to that, to a world where such things do not happen, is not messing up people in the head enough, or crushing them down into a place so hopeless, that they would go so far as this.
Is it so very wrong to want a world free of
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but literally *anyone* could have put this together with a trip to the Wal-Mart, or depending on what's on-hand.... their garage.
Well yes, that was my point about cheap and easy. All the same, not really an approach you'd expect here in America. Most people here seem to think of a pressure cooker as a pressure cooker, not as bomb material, despite pressure cookers probably being more readily available here than places where pressure cooker bombs are more common.
Seems to me the method of delivery and the effectiveness of the attack suggests expertise and experience of at least some kind. Scientific expertise is what came to my mind first.
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Nail bombs, pricks.
I remember they were favoured by IRA in Britain in the 80's. Horrible
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Most people here seem to think of a pressure cooker as a pressure cooker, not as bomb material, despite pressure cookers probably being more readily available here than places where pressure cooker bombs are more common.
Or, it could be someone from another country where those cookers are commonplace, as cooking devices, and as explosive containers...
Or they could be one of the thousands of troops who personally encountered, or were at the very least breifed about such devices...
Or know someone who did...
Or have a computer...
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Sure.
Look, as someone who has about 20 dangerous ideas in an hour and as a scientist, I have certain biases and assumptions I might tend to make about who might do something like this.
It was a stupid comment and I'm stupid for making it.
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What makes this act "terrorism" and not Newtown or Aurora?
Motive.
Recently we used explosives to take down a building in my city...nobody was hurt. That wasn't terrorism either...it was "redevelopment". Similar acts undertaken for different reasons changes the nature of the act.
So again I ask: What makes *THIS* act "terrorism", and not Newtown or Aurora? Clearly the intent in all cases was to cause mayhem, death, mutilation.
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Niki ,
I responded as an AMERICAN who is sick of seeing politicians speak in empty, cowardly PC nonsense. That it was Obama? Not the issue.
In the first press release I saw, the White House called it an act of terror. They seemed pretty emphatic about that.
Now, that may not have been Obama saying that, but as you've said yourself, that's not the issue.
Good to hear you're not still whining about what the President did or didn't say.
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I never DID " whine " about what the President did NOT say. He specifically steered clear of calling it terrorism in HIS address to the nation.
Those were HIS words, written , or approved, by him, specifically for THAT moment.
He could simply called it for exactly what it was, an act of terrorism, and be done w/ it. He chose NOT to.
That,imo, was a pussy's way out. Note how quickly he changed his tone , when it was clear that the rest of the country who DID hear him , noticed what he DIDN'T say ?
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What makes this act "terrorism" and not Newtown or Aurora?
Motive.
Recently we used explosives to take down a building in my city...nobody was hurt. That wasn't terrorism either...it was "redevelopment". Similar acts undertaken for different reasons changes the nature of the act.
So again I ask: What makes *THIS* act "terrorism", and not Newtown or Aurora? Clearly the intent in all cases was to cause mayhem, death, mutilation.
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Don't.
Don't let him make yet another thread all about him.
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I wouldn't necessarily just label whoever did this as an amateur. The myriad potential uses of an unlikely package like a pressure cooker suggests at least some degree of a science background. They chose one of the cheapest and readily available ways to cause a lot of damage without raising too many red flags.
It does not require anything more then internet access.
Al Queda published a manual for making IEDs with pressure cookers. They have also called for attacks on sporting events.
H
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I'd rather hold my tongue, especially given the dearth of information available at this point in time, but one should know...
There was a contact of mine from IndyMedia on-site just prior, and whether or no his account is fully creditable it's hard to say, but according to him very shortly prior the security and other people moved into different positions and waited, so blatantly "they were practically checking their watches for christs sake!".
Crap. Crap and more crap...but lets ignore the crap for a moment...
People checking their watches...at a marathon. If your watch the footage you'll see runners and race officials checking their watches before, during, and after the race and before, during, and after the explosions. In fact people who run marathons everywhere do that. Must be a massive global runners conspiracy.
Checking the watch at a race...one that is all about time? Nope, must be a conspiracy.
I heard from a guy who heard from a guy that Bill Cosby was NOT at the race. What does that tell you?
H
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Don't.
Don't let him make yet another thread all about him.
Amen. As if we had any doubt: there is truly no RW event that Rappy will not turn into his personal attention getting device. That doesn't belong here.
I had to take the day to get away from this. All there is right now is grief and shock at how horrible it must be for the victims. It was not spoken of at work today, in large part because I'm around a lot of folks who experienced 9/11 and they need their space. One man I work with was at ground 0 in 2001 and I know this rang some PTSD bells for him.
One bright spot, a thing I thought I'd never see: lights projected on buildings in Brooklyn saying NY *heart* B, with the B of the Boston Red Sox. I've always been nervous about wearing my red sox hoodie out and about in NYC. This setting aside of the sports grudge is unexpectedly touching.
Anyway, I too wonder who did it. I lean toward some domestic nutjob, mostly because no one has taken responsibility, but I really don't know. I hope to TPTB that the perp is found!
Frem, hon, this is one of the times when I think you're a little out there. (Tone clarification: the "hon" is meant kindly.)
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Amen. As if we had any doubt: there is truly no RW event that Rappy will not turn into his personal attention getting device. That doesn't belong here.
No offense, but that's fucking bullshit and you know it. On the matter of the facts of the case, and aftermath, I brought a point of fact, and Kwickie decided he wanted to push buttons and try to make it about HIM, by saying things which were false.
I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply. Only the President hadn't said any such thing in his address to the nation, which is how I framed the issue.
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Mal4, actually the silent sorrow and empathy gratifies me more than a bloodthirsty rush to blame, which hopefully adds some sanity to the situation as most media outlets don't seem to care beyond trying to whip up a frenzy for ratings or other reasons, but mostly ratings, I think.
As for the other, I am saying the possibility of our own so-called protectors having enabled this by negligence or malice is a possibility we cannot, should not, discount out of hand, especially given that it's proven fact they've done so before... back in 1993 it was the FBI themselves that gave Ramzi Youssef a working bomb via Emad Salem and then let him set it off, and what with the endless round and round of plots which amount to an FBI plant winding up and equipping a bunch of otherwise incompetent jerks which would present no threat of their own, a bungled sting resulting in a real tragedy becomes ever more likely.
The two primary things which drew my notice after talking with Ian were the fact that some kind of controlled explosion drill was supposed to be taking place right around that time, which would have been a respectable cover for keeping folks from panicking when they closed the noose of the sting, and trotting out Alex Jones so very quickly to discredit exactly that notion - cause I can't see the media giving that dude the time of day without a nudge from somewhere.
Besides which, it ain't like I am accusing Mother Theresa here, we are talkin about a faction with a known, proven, documented history of exactly that sort of behavior, so it's kind of like if you have a guy in the neighbor who's robbed six banks - and a seventh gets robbed, you really do have to consider him a suspect, don't you ?
And as for that whole but-they-don't-do-that-anymore... well, that is what people said about the whole wide scale surveillence and harrassment of political activists, all the while calling me crazy/paranoid about that, and the flood of half-baked entrapment plots shovelled out already which could have gone oh-so-horribly wrong if bungled is certainly enough to make one wonder, especially given the speed at which the media polevaulted Jones up to discredit such a possibility.
(Tell me, what's your reaction to someone melodramatically denying something before anyone even thinks to accuse em, your gut reaction, hmm ?)
Or it could, as I said, be a smart and vicious nutter, in combination with heaping helpings of political opportunism - which is IMHO actually *more* dangerous than a bomber.
How much more so - well there's a whole lot of Iraqis who aren't around to ask any more due to the same kind of political opportunism, and I'd really rather not see some variation of another RedScare/PalmerRaids kind of mess directed at folk just for being conservative, even if a lot of them are intolerant jerkasses, or something like COINTELPRO all over again.
That's besides the fact that concocting a politically convenient narrative to point the finger at whatever faction of the day is on the menu lets the bastard who actually did it off the hook, and THAT is something I find intolerable.
Frankly I am more concerned about the political opportunism factor than the specifics of the who, cause I am seeing elements which have historically lead to purges, oppression and massacres, although I suspect it'd be a little more "civilized" (if one can call it that) than hanging them from the lampposts - and when you get such socially toxic pools of thought/feeling and a match to set them off, bad things tend to happen.
Ergo the silent sorrow and support rather than the ragefest is something I treasure, cause the latter leads us down roads we ought not to travel.
Which also means I got little mercy for them I think are maybe trying to push us down those roads, yanno?
-Frem
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Sorry, Frem, I'm too tired for a real response. Let's just say this: your further explanation is less "out there", and while I allow that the possibility is certainly... possible, I still have serious reservations. I would need a longer post to explain what I mean.
Mostly I want to share that the Yankees played "Sweet Caroline" at their game tonight. If you've ever been to a Red Sox game you know the... dare I say... power of this song. It's just joyful and raucous and a huge part of the Boston sports culture. (Sweet Caroline BA BUH BUUUUUUUH.... Good times never seemed so good. SO GOOD! SO GOOD! SO GOOD!) I love that the Yankees are doing this, though if I was at the game the song wouldn't have the usual loud, sloopy glee that it does at Fenway. It's an ironic juxtaposition, if I may use big words.
Interesting times indeed. *sigh*
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Amen. As if we had any doubt: there is truly no RW event that Rappy will not turn into his personal attention getting device. That doesn't belong here.
No offense, but that's fucking bullshit and you know it. On the matter of the facts of the case, and aftermath, I brought a point of fact, and Kwickie decided he wanted to push buttons and try to make it about HIM, by saying things which were false.
I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply. Only the President hadn't said any such thing in his address to the nation, which is how I framed the issue.
You're lying. You've just claimed explicitly that I said something I in fact never said, and you know I never said it.
Show me EXACTLY what I said that was false, using my exact words, or admit you're lying and apologize.
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I echo Mark: Don't turn this into a Rap-and-Whoever back and forth.
I heard a doctor, holding back tears last night, describing how people who had lost limbs were saying they felt "lucky" to be alive, and how amazing he found that. My heart goes out to all of them, those who love them and those who are caring for them. For the latter, this must be immensely traumatic, too.
That thing from New York, I saw it earlier, but not in lights. I think it's lovely.
For me the fact that nobody's taking credit leans me toward some small group or individuals; "domestic terrorism", if you will.
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Amen. As if we had any doubt: there is truly no RW event that Rappy will not turn into his personal attention getting device. That doesn't belong here.
No offense, but that's fucking bullshit and you know it. On the matter of the facts of the case, and aftermath, I brought a point of fact, and Kwickie decided he wanted to push buttons and try to make it about HIM, by saying things which were false.
I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply. Only the President hadn't said any such thing in his address to the nation, which is how I framed the issue.
You're lying. You've just claimed explicitly that I said something I in fact never said, and you know I never said it.
Show me EXACTLY what I said that was false, using my exact words, or admit you're lying and apologize.
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Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
You know its never going to happen - you are just playing into his game.
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Quote:Son, you really should learn how to read with better comprehension. I went back and re-read the posts, and Kwicko said no such thing.
I said the President didn't call this an act of terrorism, and Kwickie immediately came back to say he had, with his ' act of terror ' reply.
FREM
It seems the online media have lately started addressing ALL the conspiracy theories on MANY events, not just this one. AFA political opportunism and whether this was a LIHOP, a MIHOP, or neither- I think we will be able to judge by the government response: Do they treat this as a criminal investigation, ramp up surveillance on everyone, invade some hapless nation (I know! It was Iran that did it!), or some combination? So far, I haven't detected the drumbeat to war, or to anything.
NIKI- thanks for your post.
In the meantime- Those that can- How about donating blood? The need will be there in three weeks as the injured hit the third hump.
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Watching the local news last night, I was impressed by the attitudes of folks interviewed at the D.C. Emancipation Day parade Tuesday. Pretty much boiled down to "We're not going to let fear prevent us from doing what we wanted to do".
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I quoted Kwickie correctly. You folks are frelling nuts.
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By the way, is calling it an "act of terror" close enough to calling it terrorism?
As this posts stands, alone, with no context included, leaves it ambiguous as to who Kwickie was replying.
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So, sticking to the actual topic (the one that matters):
CNN and other outlets are reporting that a suspect has been arrested. No further details have been confirmed, but reports are that a nearby store's security camera caught the suspect dropping off a suspiciously heavy black duffell bag.
Im sure there'll be more info soon.
EDT: CNN, FOX and now AP are saying there has been an arrest. NBC and CBS are saying there has not been an arrest... So, who knows...
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- suspect ID'd, arrest imminent.
- suspect arrested
- suspect NOT arrested
- suspect in custody, under heavy guard
- no arrest yet, no ID, only a description...
Good grief.
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Now CNN is backtracking and saying there has been no arrest.
A clusterfuck of mis-information, it seems.
The most accurate headline so far is from Gawker:
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Marathon Bombing Suspect Has Been Arrested and Is In Custody But Has Not Been Arrested and May Not Exist
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Journalism 101.
Seems some folks in the media aren't quite as professional as they'd like us to think.
One can be in CUSTODY and not be under ARREST. They could be there for questioning, there for more evidence to arrive, tests to come back, or maybe to out other SUSPECTS, who may be who they really want, or can lead them to those involved.
Saying " no arrests have been made " does not mean they don't have anyone.
Imminent - About to occur, impending. ( BUT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED ! )
Summer is immenent does not mean Summer time is here !
( though over here, I guess we'd take " Summer " any time! )
ID'd. Identification. Does that mean name, address, phone and SS # , or a general description ? ( Old , young, tall , short, male, female, etc... )
Sounds to me like some reporter got a nugget of information, and ran amok w/ it, hoping to get the story " FIRST! " , but not so accurate.
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Yeah, it changes every minute...supposedly press conference at 6 Eastern. From what I hear, there was a leak--FBI, etc., NOT happy about it--and that's probably where all the jumping to conclusions came from.
FBI is being quite up front and adamant that no "arrest" has been made yet. Sounds like this screwed 'em up; some are saying they hoped to keep it quiet to surveil and find any "others". Journalists who don't do a good job of checking their facts, but manage to screw things up nonetheless. What our "new" has come to...
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The reporter from CNN said he had not 1 but 2 different credible sources. I guess those bridges have been burned, and maybe this guy's reporting career.
I'd LIKE to think that there IS a security video, and it shows who did this.
That'd be a nice start.
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NOW they're reporting that there never WAS a bombing in Boston... it was just some sewer gas, and static electricity!
* B.A.T.D.A
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Anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's at this point. According to CNN (who are obviously being more cautious now):Quote:
Investigators scrambling to solve the fatal bombings at the Boston Marathon want to question a man seen on video as a possible suspect in the attack, two official sources with knowledge of the investigation said Wednesday.
The sources identified the person as a man wearing a white baseball cap. One of the sources added that the cap was on backwards and the man was also wearing a light-colored hooded sweatshirt and a black jacket. The second source said investigators have not identified this person.
The news comes on a day when authorities have made "significant progress" in the case but no arrests, a federal law enforcement source told CNN's John King. Sources previously told CNN that a suspect was in custody, but both Boston police and the FBI denied that any arrests had been made.
In addition, a federal law enforcement source told CNN that "anyone who says 'arrest' is ahead of themselves."
A Boston law enforcement told CNN, "We got him," but wouldn't clarify whether that meant a suspect has been identified or arrested. Some federal sources said it was even too early to say investigators had identified the suspect, but several sources in Boston told CNN that they have a clear identification.
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Until they have suspect(s) bagged and tagged, I'm not buying anything.
And even then, I'll probably be a bit suspicious.
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