Edge of Tomorrow
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Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. Is Cruise working up an arc with Minority Report, Reacher, Oblivion, and now Edge of Tomorrow? I know some didn't pay attention to Oblivion, but it was another movie where the cinema audience which didn't pay attention during the showing were confused at the end, and those who did were explaining it to them. Sure, Reacher is a book series, but the flick was portrayed as a puzzle to solve until the last part.
Maybe Inception struck a chord.
Is he trying to copy Arnold's arc of Terminator, Predator, Total Recall? Or Paxton with Terminator, Weird Science (wasn't deep, but got him face time), Aliens? Or Biehn with Terminator, Aliens, Seventh Seal, Abyss? Or Pitt with Seven, 12 Monkeys, Sleepers?
I'm sure many have discounted Cruise's roles, but maybe his production partner is picking them better now.
Any comments?
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I haven't seen Reacher and I thought Oblivion was a big hot mess, but I'll still be seeing Edge of Tomorrow. I don't judge a film by who is in it or who directed, because I've been burned too many times by projects from former favorites (Prometheus comes to mind). I take them each as they come and judge accordingly.
Plus, any film with Emily Blunt can't be total waste. 
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Quote:Some of the trailers make the story look more complicated than it is, but not this one. The movie is based on a straight forward book.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. . . .
Any comments?
This is Tom Cruise's point of view in the novel. Emily Blunt is “red Jacket”.
Quote:Adapting the book to a movie was easy, not like Apocalypse Now adapted from Heart of Darkness.
I decided not to die with three rounds left in my pile driver.
I lifted a leg. I put a hand on one knee.
I stood.
I screamed. I forced myself to keep going.
The red Jacket turned to me. I heard some noise over my headphones, but I couldn’t tell what she was trying to say.
One of the Mimics in the pack stood out from the rest. It wasn’t that it looked different from the others. Just another drowned, bloated frog. But there was something about it that set it apart. Maybe proximity to death had sharpened my senses, but somehow I knew that was the one I was meant to fight.
So that’s what I did. I leapt at the Mimic and it lashed out at me with its tail. I felt my body lighten. One of my arms had been cut off. The right arm—leaving the pile driver on the left intact. Lucky me. I pulled the trigger.
The charge fired, a perfect ninety-degree angle.
One more shot. A hole opened in the thing’s carapace.
One more shot. I blacked out.
Sakurazaka, Hiroshi; translated by Smith, Alexander O. (2011-09-05). All You Need Is Kill (Kindle Locations 189-198). Haikasoru/VIZ Media. Kindle Edition.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.
Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.
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Quote:This will be another high energy Mission Impossible rather than another snooze Oblivion. Even the name said what Oblivion was. Instead of killing a thousand confused Tom Cruise clones in Oblivion, the one true Tom Cruise gets killed a thousand times, which has got to be a dramatic improvement.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.
Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yep, I figured some here were not Cruise fans.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.
Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.
??? Scientology is future based? His films are based on his religion/cult?
I'm not familiar with this (nor really Scientology other than in passing), care to elaborate? Like the relationship between his career, other films made by scientologists?
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I found Oblivion to be fun, though highly derivative.
I really liked Jack Reacher, and am glad they're working on another.
This, Ill definitely check out. The script was supposedly really good, and I like what Ive seen in the trailers. And while the "Groundhog Day" scenario is hardly original, I dont recall Bill Murray fighting aliens, so Im confident it'll be different enough to stand out.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.
Uh, oh kay....
Its based on a book (All You Need is Kill), that has nothing to do with Scientology... and had been greenlit as a film long before Cruise was involved.
But yeah, whatever....
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Here, here! Prometheus does come to mind......I mean Ridley Scott for crying out loud. My guess is that Cruise and company are going for the actioners with a bit of thinking thrown into the mix.
Oblivion was a bad Twilight Zone episode, although I give points for style, but that's about it. But I like the previews to Edge of Tomorrow, looks good, I just hope that it has a good script.
The one BIG plus it has going for it is Emily Blunt. I could watch her read the Encyclopedia Britannica, she is just such a cutie and as down to earth as I dreamed she would be. The fact that she married John Krasinki softened the blow a bit (I happen to like the dude, lucky stiff). I once saw her down 3 shots of Tequila at the Toronto Film Festival with Guillermo on Jimmy Kimmel Live. My kind of gal.
SGG
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I haven't seen Reacher and I thought Oblivion was a big hot mess, but I'll still be seeing Edge of Tomorrow. I don't judge a film by who is in it or who directed, because I've been burned too many times by projects from former favorites (Prometheus comes to mind). I take them each as they come and judge accordingly.
Plus, any film with Emily Blunt can't be total waste.
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My guess is that Cruise is going for the older roles, sort of in the Arnold vein, some action but the kind of film that makes you think. I really liked Knight and Day (that "With me/Without me" skit had me rolling with laughter) a comedy/action thriller. Oh and the last Mission Impossible was solid, until the end (that ending was a bit lame) otherwise a very good M.I. movie.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. Is Cruise working up an arc with Reacher, Oblivion, and now Edge of Tomorrow? I know some didn't pay attention to Oblivion, but it was another movie where the cinema audience which didn't pay attention during the showing were confused at the end, and those who did were explaining it to them. Sure, Reacher is a book series, but the flick was portrayed as a puzzle to solve until the last part.
Maybe Inception struck a chord.
Is he trying to copy Arnold's arc of Terminator, Predator, Total Recall? Or Paxton with Terminator, Weird Science (wasn't deep, but got him face time), Aliens? Or Biehn with Terminator, Aliens, Seventh Seal, Abyss? Or Pitt with Seven, 12 Monkeys, Sleepers?
I'm sure many have discounted Cruise's roles, but maybe his production partner is picking them better now.
Any comments?
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I don't see any connection to scientology in his films. I happen to like most of his films, usually they're entertaining. Oblivion just had a poorly written script. I wanted so much to like it, but alas it failed.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yep, I figured some here were not Cruise fans.Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.
Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.
??? Scientology is future based? His films are based on his religion/cult?
I'm not familiar with this (nor really Scientology other than in passing), care to elaborate? Like the relationship between his career, other films made by scientologists?
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Reminds me of Source Code, but on steroids.
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Originally posted by Mutt999:
Reminds me of Source Code, but on steroids.
Is that just impression from trailer, or you know the book/script?
Not sure if Source Code was only lacking due to the lead (was it Jake Gyllenhal?)
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I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.
Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.
And I might even go see it now, since I saw Emily Blunt being interviewed.
Wow. She is one frelling cool chick!
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Quote:Was it this interview where she talks about burping her baby and her movie exo-suit being so heavy she cried?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I saw Emily Blunt being interviewed.
Wow. She is one frelling cool chick!
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you can't tell me she's not adorable, hot, smart, funny and cool...
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you can't tell me she's not adorable, hot, smart, funny and cool...
Well, I could, but I'd be lying.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is that just impression from trailer, or you know the book/script?
Not sure if Source Code was only lacking due to the lead (was it Jake Gyllenhal?)
Well, they are both centered around a time-loop scenario. The "Groundhog Day" set-up.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.
Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.
I was not offended. I just didn't understand the context or comparison. Was hoping you would enlighten me about what you were referring to.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.
Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.
I was not offended. I just didn't understand the context or comparison. Was hoping you would enlighten me about what you were referring to.
The only one who was offended is one who always looks for ways to get annoyed by things I say, no matter what.
Tom Cruise, in the future, battling aliens... pretty much what we've seen from him in Oblivion and w/ John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.
Scientology is steep w/ the whole advanced alien stuff in their made up religion. Just figured it was more of his religious based propaganda being passed off as action / sci-fi.
That it DOES involve aliens and the future, hell, that might be close enough for him to have taken the job anyways. Even if it's not connected to scientology.
Same again goes for Will Smith, in his goofy futuristic movie w/ his kid. I don't think it's any coincidence that so many scientology stars end up doing sci-fi movies. Their cult leader was , after all, a sci-fi writer.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.
Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.
I was not offended. I just didn't understand the context or comparison. Was hoping you would enlighten me about what you were referring to.
The only one who was offended is one who always looks for ways to get annoyed by things I say, no matter what.
Tom Cruise, in the future, battling aliens... pretty much what we've seen from him in Oblivion and w/ John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.
Scientology is steep w/ the whole advanced alien stuff in their made up religion. Just figured it was more of his religious based propaganda being passed off as action / sci-fi.
That it DOES involve aliens and the future, hell, that might be close enough for him to have taken the job anyways. Even if it's not connected to scientology.
Same again goes for Will Smith, in his goofy futuristic movie w/ his kid. I don't think it's any coincidence that so many scientology stars end up doing sci-fi movies. Their cult leader was , after all, a sci-fi writer.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Thanks. Didn't know Scientology was into aliens.
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Oh, there be aliens a plenty w/ the Scientology.
Xenu (/'zi?nu?/ zee-noo),[1][2][3] was, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago brought billions[4][5] of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans of these many people remained, and that they cling to people, causing them spiritual harm.[1][6]
These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II",[7] and the traumatic memories associated with them as "The Wall of Fire" or the R6 implant. The narrative of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings about extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described as "space opera" by Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, warning that the R6 "implant" (past trauma)[8] was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia, etc.) anyone who attempts to solve it".[8][9][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
Seriously, you can't make this stuff..., well, actually you CAN!
HA!
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I liked Oblivion...it's just hat Tommy's ego is so friggin huge you have to lean over in your seat to see the movie from around his bloated head!
Oblivion was perfect.. I mean..a million Toms...and he gets to fight himself...it's his ultimate dream flick come true..
that said... I look forward to this movie.. course we'll place bets as to how many minutes into the movie it'll take before he has hist shirt/clothes off...
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I did like it when a million Tom's died.
So yeah, it was a decent flick.
This one will probably be better.
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How many Toms you conjure die in this one?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How many Toms you conjure die in this one?
It's only how long a movie ? Can't be a full ship load.
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Maybe the reason I like the looks is I have a weakness for time travel concepts.
Groundhog Day wasn't really that.
Saw EoT trailer again, makes me think of the paradox possibilities even if it's not strictly time travel. Or parallel universe travel.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Maybe the reason I like the looks is I have a weakness for time travel concepts.
Groundhog Day wasn't really that.
Saw EoT trailer again, makes me think of the paradox possibilities even if it's not strictly time travel. Or parallel universe travel.
Hey JSF,
I recently took a glimpse at a positive review (I skimmed over it to see the final word) and all indications is that this is a good one. It is somewhat between Groundhog Day and time travel concept. A recent trailer shows that it's more like a time loop, in the style of Looper (also starring our gal Emily Blunt).
As an aside, I happen to like the better title of: All You Need is Kill.
This is gonna be so AWESOME! ahem, SHINY!
SGG
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Saw it last night. Theater was about 10% occupied, while that chick flick was sold out all showings, and the corridors of the Cinemaplex were filled with those in lines for the next showings.
I didn't think it a parallel to Groundhog Day, but I was reminded of Galaxy Quest. Any GQ fans want to guess the name of the device in EoT? I also found it similar in some ways to Aliens.
I was expecting to enjoy it and I did. I don't want to give away which parts I liked most.
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Just saw it in 3d IMAX. Was thoroughly satisfied. (No spoilers to follow.)
I hate Tom cruise with a passion because he a cultish freak. But the point of this movie is not him. (If I'd thought it was, I wouldn't have gone to see it!) He fills the role all right, but really it's all about the writers and the effects. The effects, as you'd expect of a big budget film, are fabulous. The writing is the real star. In a fun thrill ride kind of way.
It's no Primer, nothing that I'll be watching 20 times to enjoy the over the top brilliance, but I'll likely see in the theater another time or two just for how visually awesome it is and more so for how cleverly it intertwined the plot and the story telling. Probably only people who have tried to tell/write a story will really know what I mean there: sometimes you have to make plot choices base on the way you will be telling the story. If you do it well, the audience won't never suspect, it will just work.
Momento, another movie that plays with time, is like that. The plot itself is nothing spectacular, which you can witness if you see an edit of the movie told in proper time sequence. But told in short scenes that run backward in time: brilliant.
EoT had that Groundhog Day repetition and made ful use of the possibilities, but still managed to move the story on to new settings and new plot twists in a way that was seamless and clear and completely reasonable. I am a physicist; it is rare that I see time travel movies that I watch once and find reasonable.
Which is also a bit of the weakness in this movie for me. I am so completely sure of what I saw, so completely satisfied with it, that probably one more viewing will be enough for me. Unlike primer, which I've seen at least 20 times and will likely watch 20 more. EoT is kind of a bit of fluff. Really fun, really satisfying fluff that did what it meant to do damned near perfectly.
And yes, Emily Blunt rocks. It also helps that Tom cruise's character starts off as a bit of a douche, so my distaste for the man fit right in.
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BTW, JSF, we could embark in a real interesting discussion of this movie now, because the real you and I have a lot in common. Too bad that you can't just be yourself and take part in an honest discussion. All your socky game playing destroys that possibility.
Shame.
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Not seen it, and might not, but man, Emily is a absolute stunner. Keep seeing her on interview shows ( Graham Norton most recently ) and she keeps telling the same story about just having her baby, and the nurse's comments.
My god, the woman does accents amazingly! Too damn funny.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Just saw it in 3d IMAX. Was thoroughly satisfied. (No spoilers to follow.)
I hate Tom cruise with a passion because he a cultish freak. But the point of this movie is not him. (If I'd thought it was, I wouldn't have gone to see it!) He fills the role all right, but really it's all about the writers and the effects. The effects, as you'd expect of a big budget film, are fabulous. The writing is the real star. In a fun thrill ride kind of way.
It's no Primer, nothing that I'll be watching 20 times to enjoy the over the top brilliance, but I'll likely see in the theater another time or two just for how visually awesome it is and more so for how cleverly it intertwined the plot and the story telling. Probably only people who have tried to tell/write a story will really know what I mean there: sometimes you have to make plot choices base on the way you will be telling the story. If you do it well, the audience won't never suspect, it will just work.
Momento, another movie that plays with time, is like that. The plot itself is nothing spectacular, which you can witness if you see an edit of the movie told in proper time sequence. But told in short scenes that run backward in time: brilliant.
EoT had that Groundhog Day repetition and made ful use of the possibilities, but still managed to move the story on to new settings and new plot twists in a way that was seamless and clear and completely reasonable. I am a physicist; it is rare that I see time travel movies that I watch once and find reasonable.
Which is also a bit of the weakness in this movie for me. I am so completely sure of what I saw, so completely satisfied with it, that probably one more viewing will be enough for me. Unlike primer, which I've seen at least 20 times and will likely watch 20 more. EoT is kind of a bit of fluff. Really fun, really satisfying fluff that did what it meant to do damned near perfectly.
And yes, Emily Blunt rocks. It also helps that Tom cruise's character starts off as a bit of a douche, so my distaste for the man fit right in.
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Gorram it! Get out of my head, Mal4Prez.
Okay, I have to say it. Brilliant review, spot on, Bulls Eye!
I agree that the writers really made this movie work for me, much more so than the FX, but special mention should go to them for the look of the film.
Awesome work all around. The writers worked their magic with the set ups and plot line - perfectly - so much so that this is damn near the perfect movie.
I say damn near because I had one itsy-bitsy, teenie-weenie problem: the aliens. But this is a less than minor quibble on my part.
I said to my son, who went with me, that I loved how they explained the whole premise within the story without spoon feeding it to the audience. I may be repeating myself here, but brilliant writing and credit must go to the director as well. Bill Paxton, you gotta love him. Emily Blunt, the perfect woman - tough yet feminine - perfectly cast as the female lead and equal to the task opposite Tom Cruise. No question this was a guy's movie, but it had something for the ladies as well. A little destiny music if you please.
I like your comparisons to Momento, and of course, Groundhog Day. I loved the start-over sequences, the soldier banter and how they meet. But I wasn't sure of the reversal, the moment the hero discovers his truth, that wasn't clear to me. Again though, minor in the grand scheme of the movie's story line. Which I found satisfying just the way you said it - complete and clear - everyone knew the mission and why. Then they spring the uncertainty of what the future holds and you feel that they could lose it all. You feel for the heroes and you want th
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Was it this interview where she talks about burping her baby and her movie exo-suit being so heavy she cried?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I saw Emily Blunt being interviewed.
Wow. She is one frelling cool chick!
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I absolutely love Emily Blunt. She's awesome as Sargent Vitarski and it was so cool for them to give her the Final Fantasy "Sword" as her weapon of choice. To see her in action took me back to Firefly and Zoe, warrior woman who kicks ass.
O Bliss and heaven-spun gold!
SGG
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Has no one else gone to see this?
Hey, I'm in large part overjoyed at the poor ratings because I want to see the Cult Man's movie returns go to crap as a message of what the USA thinks of his cult way of living. FAIL you Scientology freak LOL! Get a real life before you try selling us a movie!
And yet... The goodness of this movie is not the the lead actor cult freak with the nice hair. I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition.
If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out.
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Quote:Maybe not getting recognition, but the movie is selling many more tickets than Serenity did.
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Has no one else gone to see this?
. . . I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition.
Edge of Tomorrow, according to www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=allyouneediskill.htm
Tickets USA: $84,155,000
+ Foreign: $234,500,000
= Worldwide: $318,655,000
That $318,655,000 after 4 weekends is more "recognition" than Serenity's Worldwide Ticket sales of $38,869,464 after 7 weekends.
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity.htm
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I did go to see it a couple of weeks ago, and I liked it. Not sure why it took so long to write my review.
http://templetongate.net/edgeoftomorrow.htm
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I have not, not gone to see it because who is in it. I am waiting for it to hit Netflix. The next movie I am going to see is Serenity in August. They do it every year here.
si shen
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BTW, JSF, we could embark in a real interesting discussion of this movie now, because the real you and I have a lot in common. Too bad that you can't just be yourself and take part in an honest discussion.
Did you fill this in, edit after I read it? Don't recall seeing this.
Note: this is not RWED.
What discussion? Have you seen Galaxy Quest?
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If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out.
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Okay, let's say you were casting this movie, who, pray tell, would grace the screen.
Curious minds want to know!
SGG
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Has no one else gone to see this?
Hey, I'm in large part overjoyed at the poor ratings because I want to see the Cult Man's movie returns go to crap as a message of what the USA thinks of his cult way of living. FAIL you Scientology freak LOL! Get a real life before you try selling us a movie!
And yet... The goodness of this movie is not the the lead actor cult freak with the nice hair. I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition.
If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out.
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I took my brother to see this while on vacation and he really liked it. Now, you have to understand, my brother is a very discerning moviegoer, plus he's not a big Tom Cruise fan. Actually he likes movies that have a plot and story. I told him little, other than the fact it was funny and entertaining. He went on my recommendation, but begrudgingly so.
I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).
T'was better the second time around.
SGG
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I did go to see it a couple of weeks ago, and I liked it. Not sure why it took so long to write my review.
http://templetongate.net/edgeoftomorrow.htm
Hey EC,
I really appreciate your review and found myself nodding in agreement throughout. What I liked most is how you broke it down and explained the premise. It was pretty much that way in the film by primarily using humor and wit to peel away the onion layers. Bravo to the screenwriters, and director, for using that technique wisely sprinkling the action with those bits. It never felt forced or contrived, but cleverly revealed setting up the next and keeping the audience on it's toes. We knew it was coming, but we didn't know what.
I especially agree with 2 things you bring up:
1- Tom Cruise looked a bit old, particularly in the opening sequence
2- I did not like the ending, I wanted a different point of view
(I don't want to give any spoilers here)
You make a good point in that perhaps Channing Tatum (I'm happy to see he's in Jupiter Ascending) or Ryan Gosling would have been a better, or a younger choice (Plus the fact that Oblivion sort of bombed). Might I suggest: Joseph Gordon-Levitt (33), Taylor Kitsch (also 33) or Jake Gyllenhaal (34).
But, I must admit, I found the chemistry between Cruise and Blunt to be very strong. By the way, Emily Blunt, as Vrataski, could kick my ass any day - What a woman warrior. She reminded me of Zoe; with that no-nonsense, take-no-prisoners, out of my way attitude. She totally fit the casting as the Full Metal Bitch. I know that it's not politically correct to say the B word referring to the character of the female persuasion, but, in this case, it's meant as a compliment. I do prefer the "Angel of Verdun" it lends a type of mystical quality to her character - much like Joan of Arc. I contend that the ending would have been better had they used Orleans as the backdrop for the final battle instead of the Louvre. But that's me.
I agree wholeheartedly about Bill Paxton, he should get a Supporting Actor in a comedy nod (perhaps the Golden Globes). He was absolutely brilliant as Master Sargent Farrell.
By the way, I read an article that said there was some trouble finishing the script with some disagreement on how to end the film. One scenario had a rather bleak final outcome. And in another article, Sean O'Connell of Cinema Blend wrote that Tom Cruise pushed for the comedy and happy ending. He also intimates that American movie goers didn't even give this movie a chance, $85 million, but overseas it's making a killing $234 million. I thought the D-day reference would have drawn in both on an equal footing, but c'est la vie.
SGG
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I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).
T'was better the second time around.
SGG
Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? I thought that was explained well.
You wanted the ending to be told from a different point of view, or the whole film? From a different character's PoV? What?
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Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.
So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?
Maybe we need some spoiler discussion re the ending...
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What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?
Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.
As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.
So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.
So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.
Tom... Well, actually, he was quite good. I don't think he's too old at all. It fit the plot that the character had to be an untrained noob, but smart and of high rank, and his history as an adman was funny and fit well. It totally worked in terms of him being so dislikable at first, so I could get over how much I don't like the actor. I like to think that wasn't an accident. The writers knew.
But I don't see much else as a plot adjustment made just so they could cast Tom. The age thing, I mean. It was basic to the story that he had to be a dork with absolutely no combat training to start. How else could that be true of a grunt? And him being high rank allowed as to meet the top commander guy at the beginning. A grunt wouldn't get that. And if he wasn't a noob, we wouldn't need all those great training scenes with the FMB. (I like that name lol!)
My problem is my own bias, really. Tom played it perfectly. I can't fault him, don't know who else I'd cast there. I just hate the idea of providing any kind of support to this despiccable man. I don't think the movie would be better with a different male lead, but I'd feel better about liking it.
The only name I'd throw out there is Jeremy Renner, but that's only because I had a wicked crush on him for a while. :) until he sucked in the avengers, that is.
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Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.
So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?
Maybe we need some spoiler discussion re the ending...Select to view spoiler:
What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?
Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.
As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.
So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.
So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.
My problem is my own bias, really. Tom played it perfectly. I can't fault him, don't know who else I'd cast there. I just hate the idea of providing any kind of support to this despiccable man. I don't think the movie would be better with a different male lead, but I'd feel better about liking it.
The only name I'd throw out there is Jeremy Renner, but that's only because I had a wicked crush on him for a while. :) until he sucked in the avengers, that is.
Althought I'm a TC fan, would you have considered Bill Paxton or Michael Biehn in the lead role? Jason Statham? Matt Damon? Ryan Reynolds - maybe too much funny? John Cho, channeling Sulu?
As I'm trying to think of others in the role, that "helmet gets in the way" line is a killer.
What was FMB?
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Her reaction would have been the same as in the film. No different. Each time in the film, in fact - her reaction was the same each time.
Cowardly act of desertion?? When was that? How did he do that?
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Althought I'm a TC fan, would you have considered Bill Paxton or Michael Biehn in the lead role? Jason Statham? Matt Damon? Ryan Reynolds - maybe too much funny? John Cho, channeling Sulu?
-Bill Paxton was perfect in the role he had. I wouldn't move him.
-Matt Damon maybe. He's got acting chops, both in comedy and action.
-The others you mention I don't know well enough to guess.
In general, I almost always prefer an unknown. I think there are enough talented people out there that I'd prefer less recycling and more chances to see a fresh face that hasn't already played countless characters. I could believe them more easily if I didn't have those previous roles in mind. But casting is as much about marketing as it is making a good movie, so a larger pool of lead actors will never happen. The audience as a whole buys into big names they already know and like.
Which, ironically, is IMHO the reason this rather excellent film flopped in the US. Too much :/ about Tom and his cult kept people away, fearing this was another Battlefield Earth.
Quote:Yeah, Tom did well at going from wimpy coward to bad-ass soldier. I'll give him that. He played both sides very well.
As I'm trying to think of others in the role, that "helmet gets in the way" line is a killer.
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What was FMB?
Full Metal Beeatch
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Quote:I lost this - what are you referring to?
Her reaction would have been the same as in the film. No different. Each time in the film, in fact - her reaction was the same each time.
Oh, the ending. Right. But come on, in the final ending it's totally different. There's no action to be taken, no chance for them to see the attack happen and take part in it, just a big huge victory to be enjoyed though they have no direct experience of it. Imagine Cage and FMB and the science guy going for a cup of coffee or a beer or likely both, with a few meals in between, while he told them the whole story of how the three of them, and J squad, won the war.
In fact, if I was going to write this thing as a short story, (not as a novel probably, that'd be a stretch) I would tell it that way. Imagine being one of those other two and hearing about everything you did, of what a hero you are, though you have no memory of it and no one else will ever know about it. That's a good yarn.
Quote:Really? All that wriggling to get out of going to the beach with the first wave, including trying to blackmail the general, then running from the MPs, then trying to play Paxton's sargeant, then trying to run while loading up on the attack transport, then running yet a third time from the beach? The writers couldn't have tried harder to sell what a coward this man was!
Cowardly act of desertion?? When was that? How did he do that?
You can't really like TC enough to have missed what a complete loser his character was at the beginning of the film, can you?
It was a little out of control at the end, pushing the point that he'd finally earned his rank. He goes to find FMB, and the always noble French horns take over the soundtrack as all the other soldiers come to attention as he enters the room. Compare this to the first time he came in as a private and they all gave him the evil eye.
Message from the whiny French horns: he's now really a Major. Atten-hut and give him the respect he deserves cause now he deserves it!
Yeah, that moment was a bit cheesy.
(I've never been a fan of French horns in movie soundtracks. I'm looking at you, LoTR.)
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Althought I'm a TC fan, would you have considered Bill Paxton or Michael Biehn in the lead role? Jason Statham? Matt Damon? Ryan Reynolds - maybe too much funny? John Cho, channeling Sulu?
-Bill Paxton was perfect in the role he had. I wouldn't move him.
-Matt Damon maybe. He's got acting chops, both in comedy and action.
-The others you mention I don't know well enough to guess.
Biehn - Terminator (Kyle Reese, father of JC), Aliens (Cpl Hicks)?
John Cho - Star Trek reboot (Sulu)
recognize them?
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As I'm trying to think of others in the role, that "helmet gets in the way" line is a killer.
Yeah, Tom did well at going from wimpy coward to bad-ass soldier. I'll give him that. He played both sides very well.
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Her reaction would have been the same as in the film. No different. Each time in the film, in fact - her reaction was the same each time.
Oh, the ending. Right. But come on, in the final ending it's totally different.
No, not to her, or the science guy. She has no memories of all the other times, every single time he reboots, every time she must take him at his word, she is the only one who truly knows how it goes, she knows he is not BSing her, but the science guy might need her to convince him. Every single time she knows she would have told him to find her after he woke up that time 2,000 reboots ago. The end would be no different for her, just the same as every other time that didn't happen for her, just like every other time he had to give her the synopsis - he probably had it down to a boilerplate before long. She would KNOW he was telling the truth, and nothing she could do would change anything. She would KNOW that he was gracing her with the knowledge that he alone possessed, to the degree that he wont, or not. EVERY SINGLE TIME he rebooted, she HAD TO take him at his word, and she KNEW that was how it would be.
There would be no victory celebration because he could not tell anybody but her and the science guy, nobody else would understand.
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There's no action to be taken, no chance for them to see the attack happen and take part in it, just a big huge victory to be enjoyed though they have no direct experience of it. Imagine Cage and FMB and the science guy going for a cup of coffee or a beer or likely both, with a few meals in between, while he told them the whole story of how the three of them, and J squad, won the war.
Yes, that is how it would be.
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In fact, if I was going to write this thing as a short story, (not as a novel probably, that'd be a stretch) I would tell it that way. Imagine being one of those other two and hearing about everything you did, of what a hero you are, though you have no memory of it and no one else will ever know about it. That's a good yarn.
Correct, but think of the tension KNOWING this was no mere yarn, it really happened, and she is the only one who understands this, and how much did he leave out?
Quote:Quote:Really? All that
Cowardly act of desertion?? When was that? How did he do that?
No.
No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there. You might think him being shanghai'd was reasonable, but that reeks of Criminal acts under the UCMJ. He was trying to be reasonable. The general falsified documents, falsely accused him of desertion, framed him, the General was the weasel and coward. Not Cage.
Once on the beach, what do you expect him to do? He is not allowed to unsafe his "weapon" and knows he has been i
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Yeah, gotta disagree with you about everything. The human race is at war, here's a guy actively involved in getting people to put their lives on the line, and yet he's unwilling to take any kind of chance himself, coddled and protected though he may be? COWARD is not an insulting enough word. Hypocrite either.
You clearly disagree JSF, but I'll bet you sweet coinage that the writers of this movie agree with me more than you. They went out of their way to show it. Cage did not earn that rank, not until he went through the training and the combat. He was not a soldier at the start, he was a poser. He wasn't a true Major until he went through the sweet crucible...
Did you not listen to Paxton?
“You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.”
That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!
Or try this reviewer:
http://douglasernstblog.com/2014/06/08/edge-of-tomorrow-through-readin
ess-and-discipline-tom-cruise-has-made-a-solid-sci-fi-movie/
Like ‘X-Men: Days of Future Past,’ Cruise’s ‘Edge of Tomorrow’ wants us to know that people can change. It is possible to turn a cowardly liar into a courageous hero. It is possible to overcome seemingly impossible odds. “Through readiness and discipline we are masters of our fate.”
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Tell you what else JSF: instead of getting into some silly "I'm right, no I'm right" here, let's wait until the DVD with all the extras comes out. Let's watch the commentary and such, and then let's see what the writers, directors, and actors have to say about the arc of TC's character.
What do you say?
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Tell you what else JSF: instead of getting into some silly "I'm right, no I'm right" here, let's wait until the DVD with all the extras comes out. Let's watch the commentary and such, and then let's see what the writers, directors, and actors have to say about the arc of TC's character.
What do you say?
In case you are interested, I'll try to explain some things.
Also, if using films and screenwriters as accurate comprehenders of military such as the ludicrous Few Good Men as our standard, then don't read further and stay in the fantasy world.
Do you think that a doctor, an MD, should be placed in command of a combat battalion? Even if he is a Colonel? Even if he has never attended War College or Potential Command Course? If he were, his battalion would be massacred at the first exchange of fire. He is not trained for the combat, he has been trained for the medical application of his talents and knowledge. Do you think military personnel respect him less because he is not "earned" rank, as you imply? The combat injured would much rather have a War College graduate without a smidgen of medical training cut him open and repair his insides? A person would have to be insane to suggest either.
MDs are not placed in command of combat units, infantry units, tanks, air or sea squadrons unless they are separately trained for those tasks and commands. That would be disasterous for all concerned, and the military would fail along with the government behind it.
JDs are not placed in command of combat units for the same reason, yet doctors and JAG officers raise in rank. Those are earned rank, regardless of what you wish to claim.
Magor Cage was not trained in combat tactics, techniques, strategy, just like JAGs and Medical Officers are not, unless they specifically pursue those courses. He has no business being in command of any size or level of combat unit, as the criminally despicable General assigned him to be, at least until he has had some training and experience at command, yet he has earned his rank.
The reason the Sgt said all that was because he had been given a stack of lies, a frame-up of a deserter profile, which had no basis in fact. He was lied to about the training and capabilities Cage had, although he had not had any.
Any reasonable person should be able to understand this.
If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain.
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And now you're getting too obvious playing your sock part, JSF. You just rewrote a Hollywood movie to fit your "neocon" ideas. (And now this thread really does belong in RWED LOL!)
To take you at your word: Dude, the movie ain't real life, but neither is it some fantasy where the hero you ID with and like so much is by default 100% a hero at all times no matter what actions he takes. In your world he's the guy you like so he must be right ALL the time, and you twist and turn and wriggle to make it so, even more than he did on screen.
It says a lot about the character you are playing on this website, JSF, that you'd be so selfish as to think it's OK for a general carrying the survival of the human race on his back to bow down to the demands of an inferior, inexperienced, cowardly blowhard\.
BTW, have you noticed how different your style and language are in different threads, or how it's all shifted over time? Getting sloppy, my friend.
Still, my original offer stands. Let's see what the DVD says. Let's see what the writers - the actual creators of this movie and its characters - intended. I know you'll just somehow claim to know the "truth" better than the people who actually created this fantasy and it's characters, but that's OK. I enjoy seeing how twisty you get in defense of your bizarre RWA role play.
(Any lurkers here who aren't familiar with JSF and me from the RWED forums, my apologies. This is too much petty bitchiness for a "Cinema" thread, but follow RWED for a bit and you'll see where it comes from.
Basically, JSF is nuts. And he knows it. He plays it well.)
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Tom Cruise displays something that appears to be telepathy, when it is not that at all. It is precognition or, exactly, seeing the future because he has been there. Cruise is better than River Tam at discovering people's inner secrets. For example:
"Your name is NOT really Ford. Ford was your friend who died in combat on his first day. You took his place and send your paychecks to his family."
That little revelation surprised Ford and the entire platoon. Cruise persuades them to follow him on a suicide mission to Paris. Go or not go, they know they die at dawn. So they go.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov
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Any lurkers here who aren't familiar with JSF and me from the RWED forums, my apologies. This is too much petty bitchiness for a "Cinema" thread, but follow RWED for a bit and you'll see where it comes from.
One of the prime examples of why I don't visit RWED, and I'm getting gorram tired of you and others bringing your petty bitchiness into the other forums where it does not belong.
wo men ren ran zai fei xing.
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Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.
Unfortunately, it is no longer in my local theaters. But I agree with this at this point.
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Although Mal4prez has gone off the deep end, one point was brought up, and I wonder if any others consider it valid.
When the Angel of Verdun goes through the couple thousand versions where only Cage has the experience, and she can only trust what he says, we see her reaction much of the time. When she hears it for the final time, at the end, we don't see it. Will it be a different reaction, merely because the end has come, they have victory, there is no battle or combat or death before them, where all prior versions (which we saw) the promise of death and potential extinction prevailed?
I have not yet wrapped around this entirely. I had not thought it would be different, and the reaction would be much the same as each other time we saw. But do any of you think it would have been different at the end? Not that she would not believe it, but would she have a different sense of it?
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“You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.”
That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!
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You know, Mal4Prez, although I heard this speech by the Sgt. Farrell over and over again, until I read them just now, it never really registered with me in quite the same way. I mean, I knew it was key, but it is the driving theme of Cage's journey. Combat did test his metal and forged a new being - in other words - baptism by fire. He never really saw the big picture, not until he saw the destruction first hand and the consequences of his actions and non-actions.
Each time he dies, he's reborn with a new outlook; a reset on how his decisions affect those around him.
SGG
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Here, here!
Discuss, disagree, pontificate......................but please leave bitchiness at the door, we already gave at the office.
"Now, gentlemen, go to your corners and come out fighting. Marquess of Queensbury Rules are to be observed at all times. I thank you!"
(spoken with a Irish Brogue a la Barry Fitzgerald)
SGG
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Any lurkers here who aren't familiar with JSF and me from the RWED forums, my apologies. This is too much petty bitchiness for a "Cinema" thread, but follow RWED for a bit and you'll see where it comes from.
One of the prime examples of why I don't visit RWED, and I'm getting gorram tired of you and others bringing your petty bitchiness into the other forums where it does not belong.
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I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).
T'was better the second time around.
SGG
Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? It hought that was explained well.
You wanted the ending to be told from a different point of view, or the whole film? From a different character's PoV? What?
When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.
In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).
SGG
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First of all, sorry i took so long in responding.
The hero's truth or reversal: the moment when he sees his purpose, goal or mission. When he, or she, discovers the heart of the matter.
In Rain Man: Cruise's character is angry that his father left him nothing and the fortune was inherited by his older brother Ray (Hoffman's brilliant autistic performance). Cruise, again, was a selfish SOB who didn't deserve the inheritance (he obsessed to the point of distraction)
There is a scene about half way through the movie when, after traveling on the road for some time, they stop at a motel and during a emotional moment for his brother Ray, Cruise's character discovers that Raymond was "Rain Man" who loved and protected his younger brother (He couldn't pronounce his name well).
He was so young that he barely remembered, but remember he did. His connection to his older brother Rain Man was strong as a kid, one which his parents took away from him at an early age. In that moment you could see his transformation (Cruise is good at that).
In EoT, that moment of clarity comes at the bridge in London, the one he was crossing on his motorcycle. He stops to look down into the river and he sees the Mimics scurrying through the water - they had reached London. It is at that moment that he sees his truth. He's got to put on his game face and get trained properly or else. I believe it's the moment he decides to go it alone, without Rita.
My quibble with the aliens was minor on my first viewing, but here it goes - I thought they looked cheesy. There, that's it. Second time around I got a much better screen.
SGG
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Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.
So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?
Maybe we need some spoiler discussion re the ending...Select to view spoiler:
What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?
Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.
As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.
So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.
So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.
Tom... Well, actually, he was quite good. I don't think he's too old at all. It fit the plot that the character had to be an untrained noob, but smart and of high rank, and his history as an adman was funny and fit well. It totally worked in terms of him being so dislikable at first, so I could get over how much I don't like the actor. I like to think that wasn't an accident. The writers knew.
But I don't see much else as a plot adjustment made just so they could cast Tom. The age thing, I mean. It was basic to the story that he had to be a dork with absolutely no combat training to start. How else could that be true of a gNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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“You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.”
That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!
You may think it is your theme for the movie, but that does not mean that Cage is as you view him. Your conclusions are not supposed to support your assumptions. Conclusions should be supported by facts and evidence.
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Each time he dies, he's reborn with a new outlook; a reset on how his decisions affect those around him.
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Good luck with that.
I disagree.
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I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).
T'was better the second time around.
SGG
Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? It hought that was explained well.
You wanted the ending to be told from a different point of view, or the whole film? From a different character's PoV? What?
When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.
In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).
SGG
That IS what was shown - her meeting him for the first time. Everything else that we and Cage saw didn't happen, and never will. This is precisely why we have seen her reaction to what he will say, because we've already seen the exact same thing over and over every time she meets him.
I still don't understand your reference to the helicopter scene - why there what?
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First of all, sorry i took so long in responding.
The hero's truth or reversal: the moment when he sees his purpose, goal or mission. When he, or she, discovers the heart of the matter.
In EoT, that moment of clarity comes at the bridge in London, the one he was crossing on his motorcycle. He stops to look down into the river and he sees the Mimics scurrying through the water - they had reached London. It is at that moment that he sees his truth. He's got to put on his game face and get trained properly or else. I believe it's the moment he decides to go it alone, without Rita.
SGG
I think you have it backwards. That scene was after he knew he had to go without Rita if she was to ever survive (and his life without her would not be worth the world being saved from invasion), he was never able to get that far (past the helicopter) with her along. The last dying scene with her at the helicopter was the last time he brought her along, until he found out the vision was a trap. He would not have gotten to that scene you mention if he had not already decided to go it alone, without Rita.
Also, he had already been getting trained properly - going alone was only a strategery decision.
1. He advances to the helicopter scene, decides next life to bypass Rita to save her life.
2. He advances, without Rita to find it was a trap (just like hers at Verdun).
3. He tells her and the science guy it was a trap, and they re-team to go directly to the weaselly a-hole General.
The 0nly "or else" time was after the transfusion - after that the world ends. Co-opting J Squad was the biggest risk the world faced, and holding her in reserve until he got their attention was the secret weapon - was that the ballsy idea of Rita, or Cage? Likely Cage, because she did not know them. Also remember, he needed to already have made all those connections during his other lives, not knowing that this one time, without the possibility of reboot, he would need that info to convince them - and while you and Mal4 seem to think he was slacking during all those other lives, he was constantly learning the info which would result in the world being saved - and he alone had the power and knowledge needed to save it.
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Yeah, so now you must all see why I find JSF to be such an ass. His attitude carries over from other boards, because he is what he is. He worships any "hero figure" that is sold to him, allowing no criticism, no matter how well grounded.
That obviousness aside - SGG, you bring up some good points, and none I disagree with. There was a definite change in Cage's character. I hadn't really connected it to the bridge scene, but I think you're right on. It makes sense.
Back to JSF's ignorance: I'll bet any online pseudo currency that when the DVD comes out and the writers/directors/actors comment on the arc of the show, they'll describe the arc of Cage going from loser-coward to hero, rather than JSF's neocon fantasy of "always the perfect hero that no one really appreciated".
It's why the RWED arguments come into this: the reason JSF can't allow for the rather obvious arc of the movie is the same reason he has so many blatantly stupid opinions in RWED. He worships his own side as *always* good, no matter what. He cannot grok a shift in character, a person going from bad to good, learning and changing based on the circumstances. I am more than a little amused that JSF is so sold on his neocon worldview that he cannot interpret a very obvious character arc in a completely non subtle Hollywood movie.
Kvetch all he wants: the truth will out in the end. I will point it out to JSF when it happens, and he will come up with some new kvetch about how it's so unfair to mock him for being wrong.
Put this in the predictions thread. I will follow up. Will you, cringing little JSF?
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Yes, I see. But it is a good challenge, testing my mettle (I used metal before to describe Cage's fortitude, obviously that was the wrong word).
I love a good challenge.
SGG
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Yeah, so now you must all see why I find JSF to be such an ass. His attitude carries over from other boards, because he is what he is. He worships any "hero figure" that is sold to him, allowing no criticism, no matter how well grounded.
That obviousness aside - SGG, you bring up some good points, and none I disagree with. There was a definite change in Cage's character. I hadn't really connected it to the bridge scene, but I think you're right on. It makes sense.
Back to JSF's ignorance: I'll bet any online pseudo currency that when the DVD comes out and the writers/directors/actors comment on the arc of the show, they'll describe the arc of Cage going from loser-coward to hero, rather than JSF's neocon fantasy of "always the perfect hero that no one really appreciated".
It's why the RWED arguments come into this: the reason JSF can't allow for the rather obvious arc of the movie is the same reason he has so many blatantly stupid opinions in RWED. He worships his own side as *always* good, no matter what. He cannot grok a shift in character, a person going from bad to good, learning and changing based on the circumstances. I am more than a little amused that JSF is so sold on his neocon worldview that he cannot interpret a very obvious character arc in a completely non subtle Hollywood movie.
Kvetch all he wants: the truth will out in the end. I will point it out to JSF when it happens, and he will come up with some new kvetch about how it's so unfair to mock him for being wrong.
Put this in the predictions thread. I will follow up. Will you, cringing little JSF?
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Class is in session (boy that was cocky) I'm feeling the flow..............
"I think you have it backwards."
Perhaps I do, but let's dig a little deeper, shall we!?
The Theme: The heart of the matter
Cage is not exactly hero material at the outset (we agree on that much, right?) He tries to weasel his way out of being thrown into combat. He even can't stand the sight of blood. Okay, the story establishes that early on. This is his truth. Ya with me so far.
Next............
He's at the base camp and he's gently awakened by a drill sergeant, and we get our first glance at Rita's poster on the bus, which is significant, but more on that later**
Skipping on down to his first encounter with Master Sgt. Farrell
Farrell sizes him up and, through his vast experience, he instinctively knows the type he's dealing with. He's a liar (ad man) and a coward, putting himself above others. Selfish, etc.
Why am I going this way? Patience grasshopper, it will all come together.
Farrell strips him of his rank - he is now a private. The military routinely does this, I'm sure I don't need to elaborate. But now he is nothing, a "parasitic scum" and about to be "baptised" in glorious battle, D-Day!
Foreshadowing made flesh.
Farrell's speech, as the audience laughed and giggle (I must say, as I watched I was not aware of it's significance to where I am now - the theme of the movie - and how I, along with my fellow moviegoers, brushed it aside)
was giving us the film's thesis. Now, mind you, I said the film's thesis.
This is important, well because it's crucial to the main thrust of the film, but also because it lurks in the background ready to pounce at the right moment. The time loop; hero = Rita, already a mean mother and transferred to our liar/coward Cage.
It's about to get real!
He goes to battle and, just as the sergeant said, thought of himself and used the bomb to survive. Little did he know that was the beginning of his "baptism" and hence to the beginning of his journey and his fate. Not battle (Ooo, I have goosebumps) but to meet Rita.
Damn, I'm good!
More on that later. let me answer your question directly.
**Actually, I change my mind, because this will tie in nicely. Back when he awakens at base camp, he sees Rita on the bus poster. He knows who she is, and I say he's intrigued, but he's about to meet her (we know this from the trailers). This is his fate. Again movie foreshadowing. Back to the point.
She is everything he's not, they're at opposite ends of the spectrum. Hero - Coward.
They meet in battle, and he steps into her world when he kills the Alpha.
Their fate is sealed right then and there. It is the How we get from point A to point B. From low life pond scum to hero. She trains him because he's their only hope for survival. She must do everything in her power to give him her experience, and hope that he will not wimp out. He's really not into it, no focus, just going through the motions. Until he gets to know her.
Now, each time he resets, he sees her bus poster and she's becoming more to him than just his trainer. We all know that, so on to the helicopter scene where she dies. Yes, he realizes that they cannot get past that point, and "we" see that he cares for her. He doesn't want to live in a world without her, so I agree with you. But it is her determination, coupled with his emotional connection to her, that drives him now. He is no longer thinking of self. He has become HERO.
Now, at the bridge he does come to a realization. He must train harder and focus like never before. He has something to fight for - Rita. She had poured into him everything she was, and he wants this in his life. He is HERO and it was forged within him by her sheer will and strength of character. He is reborn, no longer the sniveling coward. He falls for her and wants desperately to save her, at all costs. So, he does what he
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...and while you and Mal4 seem to think he was slacking during all those other lives...
Shift those goalposts LOL! No one said this. The man *started* a coward was my point. I said nothing about "all" those other lives.
Hmm. Perhaps you disagree with me because you never actually read my posts and have no idea of what I'm saying.
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Cage is not exactly hero material at the outset (we agree on that much, right?)
Well, you and I agree. JSF sez this:
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No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there. You might think him being shanghai'd was reasonable, but that reeks of Criminal acts under the UCMJ. He[Cage] was trying to be reasonable. The general falsified documents, falsely accused him of desertion, framed him, the General was the weasel and coward. Not Cage.
The rest of your take -
The scene in London, on the bridge, I originally didn't see as so important as a character moment. I didn't think he was really deserting when he went for a beer, just taking a day off out of exhaustion and frustration. The attack on London I took to be the writers just letting the audience know how *important* this battle is, in case we hadn't caught it. Cage and Rita already knew that the aliens were out to make this day the Final Battle, right?. (It's been a while so I might have mixed up the timeline a bit, but I think they had that figured out early on.)
But I like your take, that even as he learned to fight and starts to get bad-ass he is still largely selfish. The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.
So, yeah. Total agreement!
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**MORE SPOILERS
Back to the ending: Rita's POV, yes, that's totally what I meant by the way I'd tell it if I'd been clever enough to come up with this story. From her POV, and the aliens are suddenly all dead for some reason she doesn't know, but then this guy shows up and tells her how they won, how she trained him and guided him and died in battle over and over and in Paris sacrificed herself so he could kill the omega. All these tellings done in his POV, so her POV is maybe only a prologue and epilogue.
Which gives the victory away at the start, but come on, does anyone really doubt the good guys will win in a movie like this?
And of course she'd believe it as she always does, because she's been through it. And he knows her middle name. ;)
So, JSF, that's what I mean by this interaction between them being different. Of course her initial reaction is the same, as was shown in the movie, but everything to follow the cut-off is all new. No rush to save the world, to train, to survive. Just a long talk while he tells the story. And of course, a budding romance... LOL!
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I agree with you that the scene in the bar is not him deserting, but rather him taking a break to regroup, recharge and see what angle he could approach the battle from. Even when the old codgers insult him by calling him a coward, it doesn't phase him, he's already changed, he just doesn't realize fully the reason why.
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment. During his training by Rita, he constantly complains whenever she goes to "reset" because he's hurt or wounded. By the helicopter/Rita scene he's already in love with her, and, for the life of him, he can't figure out how to save her.
Damn, I'm definitely getting the DVD with all the trimmings. The more I try to analyze and discuss the more intrigued I get about this movie's moments and set ups. Each moment I'm more convinced that this was a near perfect movie, as actioners go. Damn, for any movie. I always complain about plot, set up and pay off. I was disappointed in the ending because it was neatly, but quite abruptly tied up into a cute bow. It was, for me anyways, anti-climatic. But not in a totally dissatisfying way. It's just that after all that brilliant set up during the first 3/4 of the movie, it felt like they rushed those final scenes to fit the movie under a certain time.
JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............
To me the bridge scene was saying to us and to Cage - the battle at the beach was lost and now the aliens were IN London. The look on his face was "Shit, this is serious. I gotta do something NOW!" Then he resets. If I remember it correctly, it is then that he gets his game face on and bares down on his training that even Rita looks at him and says "Wow, look at him go." There is a great sequence where he's so focused that he destroys all the practice robots with such ease and assuredness. The final battle sequence the writers let their guard down for a moment, they slip just a little.
Again, I have to read that book. The ending was good, but not great like the rest of the movie, in terms of set up and plot. But that's just me.
As for the general's motivations - truly he was not amused by Cage's attempt at bribery. A low level move on his part, further showing Cage's character. Our friend seemed to overlook that little tidbit. The general's reaction was quite expected under the circumstances. He wanted that PR work to be done his way, period.
The Bridge Scene (as I call it) was when he sees "this is it," as I stated above, but yeah it's been establish by brilliant writing. But remember Rita tells him that it was a trap, so that's in the back of everyone's mind. Could they be setting Cage up for another trap? You see how that is worked in so smoothly by the writers. The seed is planted. But what Cage realizes is that the aliens must have won at the beach because here they are in London. it's like the final chess piece.
The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. The coffee, the little details, the wanting to know her middle name. But there's more and "we" find out as Rita does, that Cage is holding out. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. Remember back when the Big guy with no underwear gets smushed by the transporter and Cage turns away as if saying, what the hell he's toast. Well, he comes to that same reality with Rita at this point. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."
The writing was so good there because we find out at the same moment that Rita does. They show us, the visual equivalent of showing us in a novel....only better. So yes, the Final Battle was supposed to be on the beach, and both Rita
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Epilogue and Prologue...........see this is why I look forward to discussing movies with you. You make me think. I never would have thought of a prologue.
Now it doesn't necessarily have to give away the ending. Bare with me a moment.
Scene: We come in upon the great battle at Verdun. We see Rita in full armor kicking ass, they win, she's wounded and transported asap to the MASH unit, accompanied by her squad - a lot of macho crap goes on; like one of her crew threatens the doctors with death if she dies, she's tagged with the FMB moniker - "tough as nails, she'll never die" - blood transfusion.
She wakes up and we see this look on her face, everyone is celebrating, drinking and carrying on, the general and his press staff names her the "Angel of Verdun" (that instead of FMB), by her bedside is the scientist who knows her secret, she whispers to him and he gets the same incredulous look on his face (all the while she doesn't utter a word). It's Cage pitching an ad for the war in voice over, but he's mainly bragging about himself, how good he is. He mentions that he's going to see the general, self-importance at being called in and they're sending a helicopter.
Meanwhile, as Cage speaks, the camera is slowly zooming in on Rita's eyes and she stares blankly until all we have is her eyes.
As Cage mentions the helicopter, cut to the scene when the copter comes in with him. So we go from Rita's eyes to the helicopter hovering above Trafalgar Square.
It establishes a few of things: Rita is a bad ass; Cage is a used car salesman, Rita's scientist friend, her squad respects her, something is amiss (because of that look Rita gives straight to the camera), foreshadowing of Rita and Cage's fate - all without revealing anything to the audience.
EPILOGUE:
Of course, the ending would need to change a bit. Well, everything remains the same until the moment Rita kisses Cage goodbye.
She goes off to battle the Alpha to distract him from going after Cage, but she dies. We see her courageously battle the Alpha and see her die. The Alpha then goes after Cage, he pulls the pins and the last shot we see are the pins floating in the water - BLAST, screen goes white.
The screen stays white for several seconds, then the faint sound of a news anchor reporting that the war is over. The Angel of Verdun is now the Angel of Orleans. She heroically leads the army to victory in Orleans (not Paris, an obvious tie-in to Joan of Arc who lead the French against the English despite impossible odds).
Church bells ring, doves fly, people dancing in the streets, cats and dogs living together, Joy every where except............
Cut to Rita doing her Yoga thing at the base, alone as usual, her men in the background as usual. She is as focused as ever and nobody goes near her.
Cut to an exterior shot of a helicopter (that seems to be a theme of good and bad news) landing in Trafalgar Square. It opens, door closes..........
Next the camera is following the footsteps, along the corridor everyone is yelling "Attention" but the camera never leaves the feet.
Cut to Rita looking out toward the corridor in her yoga position, all she sees are the feet of someone approaching. She stops, rises.
Camera is focused on her face, she asks him what gives him the nerve to disturb her.
Cut to Cage's face: "Have I got a story to tell you."
He smiles, freeze frame.
Now, will that ending work? Yep. It's established early on that the Omega controls the whole shebang. So it has the powers of the Alpha and then some.
So the audience will assume that Cage reset the timeline because he got the Omega's blood. Cruise still gets his happy ending with a somewhat surprise ending, since we don't see him actually die. But that's minor.
I dare say that even if we know that the good guys are going to win, it's the how, if presented properly, that we are interested in. How did they meet? How did he get away? Cage mus
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Quote:I think the alternative ending in the book would make for a very unsatisfying movie. Tom Cruise promises the forever dead, with no hope of a reset, Emily Blunt:
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I was disappointed in the ending because it was neatly, but quite abruptly tied up into a cute bow. It was, for me anyways, anti-climatic. But not in a totally dissatisfying way. It's just that after all that brilliant set up during the first 3/4 of the movie, it felt like they rushed those final scenes to fit the movie under a certain time. . . .
In my ending both Rita and Cage get to be heroes.
Quote:The book's ending was too Japanese for me.
While I live and breathe, humanity will never fall. I promise you. It may take a dozen years, but I will win this war for you. Even if you won’t be here to see it. You were the only person I wanted to protect, and you were gone.
Quote:That's not a good ending for a movie. www.amazon.com/All-Need-Kill-Hiroshi-Sakurazaka/dp/1421527618/
I sat there for some time holding the last cup of coffee she’d ever made, for someone she’d barely known. Its thin aroma stirred in me an insufferable longing and sadness. A small colony of blue-green mold bobbed on the surface of the coffee. Raising the cup to my lips, I drank.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yes, I had read that the book's ending was too dark for public consumption. Tom Cruise "suggested" the happier ending, another take on the romantic comedy boy-meets-girl syndrome.
To me it felt like Tom Terrific set it up for Cage to be the ultimate hero, again saving the day. In my ending both top the hill, both are heroes.
She saves him (the training) which allows him to save her (reset the day).
Like they would listen to little old me.
SGG
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I was disappointed in the ending because it was neatly, but quite abruptly tied up into a cute bow. It was, for me anyways, anti-climatic. But not in a totally dissatisfying way. It's just that after all that brilliant set up during the first 3/4 of the movie, it felt like they rushed those final scenes to fit the movie under a certain time. . . .
In my ending both Rita and Cage get to be heroes.Quote:The book's ending was too Japanese for me.
While I live and breathe, humanity will never fall. I promise you. It may take a dozen years, but I will win this war for you. Even if you won’t be here to see it. You were the only person I wanted to protect, and you were gone.Quote:That's not a good ending for a movie. www.amazon.com/All-Need-Kill-Hiroshi-Sakurazaka/dp/1421527618/
I sat there for some time holding the last cup of coffee she’d ever made, for someone she’d barely known. Its thin aroma stirred in me an insufferable longing and sadness. A small colony of blue-green mold bobbed on the surface of the coffee. Raising the cup to my lips, I drank.
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LALALALA... *fingers in ears* I'm not listening!
I don't want to know anything about the book until I find it and read it myself, so I'm ignoring those posts. No offense. ;)
I like your mini-fanfic, SGG. On further thought, I want to add that in a book it'd be cool to see some of what happened in Verdun. Have Rita tell her story too.
So, I actually went to see this again on the weekend, just to follow up discussions here. One new observation: Rita's reaction the last time she meets Cage is in fact different than all the others. Her usual reaction is: "Who said you could talk to me? Have I got something on my face?"
The last time, when he is outfitted as a Major rather than a Private, she says: "Can I help you?"
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Which gives the victory away at the start, but come on, does anyone really doubt the good guys will win in a movie like this?
Win, there might be not doubt - but will they survive? All of them? Will only one of them survive? Neither of them? You really think there is no doubt with this? Perhaps you have not seen Oblivion? The protagonist we all admire does not survive, and he knew he would not when he made his ATTEMPT to end the strife, whether his attempt would be successful or not.
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I still don't understand your reference to the helicopter scene - why there what?
Repeating the question because I still didn't see a response, or answer. Or if I did, did not recognize it as such. Care to clarify?
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Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. Is Cruise working up an arc with Reacher, Oblivion, and now Edge of Tomorrow? I know some didn't pay attention to Oblivion, but it was another movie where the cinema audience which didn't pay attention during the showing were confused at the end, and those who did were explaining it to them. Sure, Reacher is a book series, but the flick was portrayed as a puzzle to solve until the last part.
Maybe Inception struck a chord.
Is he trying to copy Arnold's arc of Terminator, Predator, Total Recall? Or Paxton with Terminator, Weird Science (wasn't deep, but got him face time), Aliens? Or Biehn with Terminator, Aliens, Seventh Seal, Abyss? Or Pitt with Seven, 12 Monkeys, Sleepers?
I'm sure many have discounted Cruise's roles, but maybe his production partner is picking them better now.
Any comments?
Regarding the original proposition, it would seem that TC has gone on an arc with Oblivion and EoT which has gone over the heads of many viewers. I figured it was less subtle than the likes of Inception in each case, but I had not considered it all that much for the astute to get. I was not all that surprised by the amount of those in theater who did not get it, and were willing to have it explained to them - I see that a lot. However, those who I expected to keep up seem to have not met the challenge.
I understand many consider the lower box sales to be an indication of his personal issues, but I wonder if it is just that his audience has not been able to follow the genius of his recent flicks?
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I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.
JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............
To me the bridge scene was saying to us and to Cage - the battle at the beach was lost and now the aliens were IN London. The look on his face was "Shit, this is serious. I gotta do something NOW!" Then he resets. If I remember it correctly, it is then that he gets his game face on and bares down on his training that even Rita looks at him and says "Wow, look at him go." There is a great sequence where he's so focused that he destroys all the practice robots with such ease and assuredness.
The Bridge Scene (as I call it) was when he sees "this is it," as I stated above, but yeah it's been establish by brilliant writing.
But what Cage realizes is that the aliens must have won at the beach because here they are in London. it's like the final chess piece.
The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."
And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.
Agreed. It is that connection that drives him, and so he goes out to reset the day, to save the women he loves.
SGG
Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?
I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.
And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?
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And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?
I'm curious too. I have no idea what you're talking about JSF LOL!
But surely you must recall that immediately after the Bridge scene is when Rita walks into the training hall to find Cage kicking ass. The man has suddenly become determined. After that he finally finds a way to get them off the beach. And then helicopter, and then *love*, and then he goes it alone.
(Though: when he goes it alone, did he let her die on the beach? Kind of ruins all the romance angles of the story if he did. So did he save her first? It would fit the arc much better if he did something like downing her transport in the Channel to keep her alive until he killed the Omega he thought he'd find in the dam. Otherwise, what's the point of going it alone? With her dead on the beach as she was the first several times around?
Plot hole there!)
And hey, JSF - how about you acknowledge being dense about how her reaction to meeting Cage in the last time loop MUST be the same as it always was, when even in the movie it is not...? Did you catch that?
Not good at admitting you're wrong, huh? Not good at admitting that you didn't actually read my posts to understand what I was saying?
/I do love getting hostile over meaningless interpretations of silly sci-fi movies, but only because JSF is so consistently hostile and it's satisfying to prove him/her wrong... that's what the internet is for.
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her reaction to meeting Cage in the last time loop MUST be the same as it always was, when even in the movie it is not...? Did you catch that?
You mean, solely because of his different rank/position? Is that what you mean?
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Not good at admitting you're wrong, huh? Not good at admitting that you didn't actually read my posts to understand what I was saying?
I read them. There was a reason I didn't waste more time responding again.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.
SGG
Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?
I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.
And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?
Have I misunderstood "the Bridge scene" reference? Do you mean when he was on the bike and looks down from the bridge? Or something else?
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I've had to skip a whole bunch of posts here, because of spoilers -- I ain't complaining, it's my own gorram fault for not getting to the theaters yet! I loathe Tom Cruise, but I was sold on seeing this movie the moment I learned he dies in it -- over and over and over again. Yessirree Bob! I'll be happy to spend money to see that!
(Actually, I loved the trailers -- I wanna see the exo-suits in action! Just... gotta get to the theaters and do it! I **think** it's still showing at our local megaplex...)
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I've had to skip a whole bunch of posts here, because of spoilers -- I ain't complaining, it's my own gorram fault for not getting to the theaters yet! I loathe Tom Cruise, but I was sold on seeing this movie the moment I learned he dies in it -- over and over and over again. Yessirree Bob! I'll be happy to spend money to see that!
(Actually, I loved the trailers -- I wanna see the exo-suits in action! Just... gotta get to the theaters and do it! I **think** it's still showing at our local megaplex...)
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LOL! I'm with you capt. Hate Tom. But couldn't say no to the previews. And I'm so glad I did go see it! It's a really good action-escapist sci-fi movie. Best of the year so far for me. (OK, but the year's not over...)
Now go see it so you can read the spoilers and join the debate!
And welcome! I think you're new right?
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Yup! I'm a noob here. Slowly but surely catching up on different conversation threads here -- my first lesson was to stay off the Real World Discussions section and my second is that WOW! Insane fandom history I am so so grateful to have missed out on! (I guess the upside for taking forever to dive into Firefly fandom is that I got to miss out on some of the doublepluscrazypants)
I've never understood why so many gals of my generation swoon over Tom Cruise. Just never got it. I will say, however, that I thought he was very, very good as the psycho killer in that Michael Mann film with Jamie Foxx. He wears them crazy-panties like a natural...
A question had been asked earlier about who would we have preferred to have seen cast in the lead role, instead of Tom Cruise? Bill Paxton would have been an interesting choice! Or Timothy Olyphant (of Deadwood & Justified fame). Or how about Anson Mount (the lead in AMC's Western series "Hell on Wheels")? Personally, I think just from what I've seen from the trailers, Anson Mount would have ROCKED that role! (Plus... he's a hottie!)
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Quote:Yeah, it's ugly there. I've been mixing it up lately LOL! Took me a long time to get a thick skin for it, but I still need frequent breaks.
Originally posted by Captain_Cooper:
Yup! I'm a noob here. Slowly but surely catching up on different conversation threads here -- my first lesson was to stay off the Real World Discussions section and my second is that WOW! Insane fandom history I am so so grateful to have missed out on! (I guess the upside for taking forever to dive into Firefly fandom is that I got to miss out on some of the doublepluscrazypants)
All the fandom stuff is indeed awesome. And necessary. It's heart breaking to get through the episodes and movie and realize that there is no more. Well, the comics, but that's not as satisfying. This site got me over the withdrawal LOL!
Quote:Haven't seen it. Generally, I avoid TC movies.
I've never understood why so many gals of my generation swoon over Tom Cruise. Just never got it. I will say, however, that I thought he was very, very good as the psycho killer in that Michael Mann film with Jamie Foxx. He wears them crazy-panties like a natural...
I love Olyphant. Sexy guy! Haven't heard of Hell on Wheels. Good?
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I've never understood why so many gals of my generation swoon over Tom Cruise. Just never got it. I will say, however, that I thought he was very, very good as the psycho killer in that Michael Mann film with Jamie Foxx.
Collateral? It didn't stand out for me.
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A question had been asked earlier about who would we have preferred to have seen cast in the lead role, instead of Tom Cruise? Bill Paxton would have been an interesting choice! Or Timothy Olyphant (of Deadwood & Justified fame). Or how about Anson Mount (the lead in AMC's Western series "Hell on Wheels")? Personally, I think just from what I've seen from the trailers, Anson Mount would have ROCKED that role! (Plus... he's a hottie!)
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Potsie?
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Potsie?
How do you get to Potsie (Anson Williams) from Anson Mount? The latter was just one year old when Happy Days premiered.
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In answer to the question regarding Hell on Wheels: YES! Very good! (Plus... I have a sneaky suspicion the central character is Mal Reynolds great-greatisty-great grandpappy, centuries on down the line... watch a few episodes and let me know if you agree!)
The series is on Netflix now -- at first, I thought it was a Deadwood-wanna-be (and I will always mourn the loss of HBO's Deadwood, almost as much as Firefly), but HoW has gotten increasingly stronger season by season.
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Agreed! Well crafted at every turn, and Emily Blunt was made for this part.
SGG
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Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.
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"Have I misunderstood "the Bridge scene" reference? Do you mean when he was on the bike and looks down from the bridge? Or something else?"
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Yes, that's the scene I was referring to. He's on his bike and looks down from the bridge.
And, just so you know, I will answer your questions in due time. I have a lot on my plate just now.
(To be continued.........)
SGG
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Potsie?
How do you get to Potsie (Anson Williams) from Anson Mount? The latter was just one year old when Happy Days premiered.
Faulty recall. Plus have not seen the referenced performances. My lack of cable disrupts my flow of relevant data.
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Quote:I loved deadwood! I think it wasn't so good by season 3, but I did so want to know where it was going to go from there.
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In answer to the question regarding Hell on Wheels: YES! Very good! (Plus... I have a sneaky suspicion the central character is Mal Reynolds great-greatisty-great grandpappy, centuries on down the line... watch a few episodes and let me know if you agree!)
The series is on Netflix now -- at first, I thought it was a Deadwood-wanna-be (and I will always mourn the loss of HBO's Deadwood, almost as much as Firefly), but HoW has gotten increasingly stronger season by season.
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I will check out hell on wheels as soon as I get a chance. It sounds like we have similar taste. In tv and in men lol!
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Ok, I'm going to answer again about the Helicopter scene at the end of the movie. The reset:
When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.
Regarding the POV at the END of the movie:
In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).
I'm speaking strictly in terms of camera angle and set up. Nothing more. The POV as she/audience sees it on screen.
The way it shot was from his POV. It was a small choice that I thought would improve the scene and overall ending, as I had said that I was slightly disappointed with the ending.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.
JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............
To me the bridge scene was saying to us and to Cage - the battle at the beach was lost and now the aliens were IN London. The look on his face was "Shit, this is serious. I gotta do something NOW!" Then he resets. If I remember it correctly, it is then that he gets his game face on and bares down on his training that even Rita looks at him and says "Wow, look at him go." There is a great sequence where he's so focused that he destroys all the practice robots with such ease and assuredness.
The Bridge Scene (as I call it) was when he sees "this is it," as I stated above, but yeah it's been establish by brilliant writing.
But what Cage realizes is that the aliens must have won at the beach because here they are in London. it's like the final chess piece.
The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."
And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.
Agreed. It is that connection that drives him, and so he goes out to reset the day, to save the women he loves.
SGG
Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?
I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.
And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ok, I'm going to answer again about the Helicopter scene at the end of the movie. The reset:
When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.
OK, so you were referring to the transport helicopter scene where he wakes up in the chopper, before meeting Rita, right? Not the Rita/helicopter/death scene, right?Quote:
Regarding the POV at the END of the movie:
In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).
SGG
Understood. Now, I mean.Quote:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.
JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............
The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."
And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.
Agreed. It is that connection that drives him, and so he goes out to reset the day, to save the women he loves.
SGG
Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?
I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.
And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?
Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.
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Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.
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Edge of Tomorrow might be one of Hulk's favorite summer movies in years. Really. Perhaps Hulk has just been hungry for movies that actually understand the capacity for scene transitions. Or stories that propel you forward with rapid, acute development. Or stories that care very little for overt and unnecessary adherence to the 3-act structure and instead focus on getting us through each scene with a real sense of purpose for both emotion and plot. Or best of all, movies that can imbue character development into the proceedings with trust in an audience to get the suggestions (seriously, the evolution of the helicopter scene did 13 scenes worth of story in one). All of which means Hulk left Edge of Tomorrow fully sated to the point of adoration.
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You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.
As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.
SGG
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Ok, I'm going to answer again about the Helicopter scene at the end of the movie. The reset:
When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.
OK, so you were referring to the transport helicopter scene where he wakes up in the chopper, before meeting Rita, right? Not the Rita/helicopter/death scene, right?Quote:
Regarding the POV at the END of the movie:
In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).
SGG
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.
JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............
The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."
And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.
Agreed. It is that connection that drives him, and so he goes out to reset the day, to save the women he loves.
SGG
Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?
I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.
And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?
Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.
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You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.
As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.
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Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.
I have not been able to find it showing in any of the budget theaters, not in weeks.
So, when you get it, are you going to have a few repeat loops of "no helmet, it gets in the way" scene? Or do you have a different scene you are more likely to repeat on?
I hope you enjoy it, and I hope I have not ruined your experience of it for you.
Did you also participate in the Inception discussion thread?
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Just found it showing at my local budget theater, so I can check it out some more this week. Sweet.
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Enjoy...........
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One of my favorite scenes is when Cage meets the professor, and, after having explained it all to him at first blush, Cage says to "Nice presentation" - I laughed so hard I nearly spit on the guy in front of me in the theater.
And no, you have not ruined it for me. On the contrary, the "discussion" made me appreciate it more, both you and Mal4Prez. Just because we disagree
doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it.
I may have made some comments on Inception, although, I don't remember exactly. Really good movie, maybe even great..........although I've seen it several times, I always catch something new or a different perspective. One thing I can't complain about is that brilliant ending.
Have you seen Cloud Atlas? If not, please do. It is an experience, but I warn you to give it time to wash over you. I grew to love it more each time I've seen it (about 6 times now).
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.
As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
SPOILER ALERT
SPOILER DISCUSSION IN THIS POST
Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.
I have not been able to find it showing in any of the budget theaters, not in weeks.
So, when you get it, are you going to have a few repeat loops of "no helmet, it gets in the way" scene? Or do you have a different scene you are more likely to repeat on?
I hope you enjoy it, and I hope I have not ruined your experience of it for you.
Did you also participate in the Inception discussion thread?
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
One of my favorite scenes is when Cage meets the professor, and, after having explained it all to him at first blush, Cage says to "Nice presentation" - I laughed so hard I nearly spit on the guy in front of me in the theater.
And no, you have not ruined it for me. On the contrary, the "discussion" made me appreciate it more, both you and Mal4Prez. Just because we disagree
doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it.
I may have made some comments on Inception, although, I don't remember exactly. Really good movie, maybe even great..........although I've seen it several times, I always catch something new or a different perspective. One thing I can't complain about is that brilliant ending.
Have you seen Cloud Atlas? If not, please do. It is an experience, but I warn you to give it time to wash over you. I grew to love it more each time I've seen it (about 6 times now).
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.
As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
SPOILER ALERT
SPOILER DISCUSSION IN THIS POST
Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.
I have not been able to find it showing in any of the budget theaters, not in weeks.
So, when you get it, are you going to have a few repeat loops of "no helmet, it gets in the way" scene? Or do you have a different scene you are more likely to repeat on?
I hope you enjoy it, and I hope I have not ruined your experience of it for you.
Did you also participate in the Inception discussion thread?
Watched Cloud Atlas, expected to enjoy it. Saw it a second time, because i couldn't remember seeing it the first time, the experience was so detached from what I had hoped. Neither time sank in, sorry.
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